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Cromulent said:
I’m still not sold on Copyblogger. But I love seeing Dr Phil here. I think maybe his entry should be modified slightly though. Consider splitting his ticket up and giving the other half to his doppelganger David Axelrod.
Seriously, look at the two. Change in hair color and they look exactly alike. Axelrod is this administration’s Karl Rove.
Why didn’t Oprah get an African slot?
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
@Cromulent ::
The Axelrod / Dr Phil comparison is right on. The Axelrod / Rove comparison is way off. Rove = politics above people. Rove = politics above competence. Axelrod just fucking started. Cool your partisans people … it turns you into retards.
You’re right about Oprah though. How racist of me! Oprah reassigned to Ghana :: pasty white Marci Shimoff to Slovakia.
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Cromulent Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 9:28 am
@SD, by mentioning both Rove AND Axelrod, I thought I was being quite bipartisan, no?
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SD Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@Cromulent ::
I’m sure I don’t want to get into it here … but I don’t believe in the sides. There is competence :: and not-competence. Prove :: with your actions over a measurably significant period :: that you are not-competence … and be forever scorned. You say Karl Rove to me … and I think about the calls before the 2000 South Carolina primary claiming that John McCain {an epic fucking American hero who was :: at the time :: campaigning for reform and was 1000% more qualified than W. to be the President} had an illegitimate black child … and it was all downhill from there. Show me Axelrod and company doing ghetto ass shit like that … shit that makes ALL of us look bad :: and does mortal damage to our process.
… and don’t take that as an invitation to actually show me … cause I’m working on other :: less complicated :: problems.
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Nick Reply:
January 5th, 2011 at 2:10 am
@SD, McCain is a fraud and a very disturbed person with a sinister mind. I’m not excusing Rove because he’s scum, but aren’t they all?
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# 14 June 2010 at 7:12 am

Rafael Marquez said:
I think that regardless of who wins the cup, all of the people on the list deserve at least a paragraph outlining their “accomplishments.”
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
@Rafael Marquez ::
They all “deserve” a lot worse than that. Weekly public fruitings :: minimum!
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# 14 June 2010 at 9:22 am

stoic said:
OK, we’ll take Ms Katie, she’ll fit right in with the other old crocks on the team. When Engerland start to f*ck up early on as we always do since the glory days of ’66, we can wheel out Ms Katie to stir the fans to a hooligan frenzy by doing ‘turnarounds’ so that Nazis killing babies is quite OK.
We have always fielded a better class of hooligan than player, anyhoo.
Sri Sri and Nithy! The Raj strikes back!
Way too much national pride in one day, I need a little lie-down.
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
@stoic ::
Soccer hooligans driven to verge of mental breakdown :: great idea! What could go wrong?
I hesitate to add Mystics of the Raj because I don’t understand them the same way that I understand fake capitalists. But I’m reading the blogs and Rick Ross and trying to figure it. Speaking of which :: I meant to link to Jody in the text of the post but didn’t … fixed.
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stoic Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
@SD,
Mystics of the Raj are simple—its cut-throat big big business, unpaid labour with a huge profit margin, horse-trading corruption in Indian politics—all underwritten by western tax breaks given to religious orgs. Oh, and they get worshipped as gods, to boot.
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Duff Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
@stoic,
“The Nazi’s killed the Jews” becomes “The Jews killed the Nazis”, then “I killed the Jews,” and finally “Byron Katie killed my bank account.”
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stoic Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 2:27 am
@Duff,
Bang on target.
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# 14 June 2010 at 11:32 am

Isn't it? said:
Ironic how, for the past 6+ months, this blog has culminated a following based on the marketing principle of “us vs. them”.
Ironic how, for the past 6+ months, in similar fashion to the very same internet marketing gurus he bashes with emotionally charged prose, he, like them, has continued to prove to be 100% sizzle and 0% steak on all but the same old easy targets when it comes to CONCRETE OBJECTIVE FACTS and not just emotionally charged bashing.
Ironic how, for the next 6+ months, people will continue to salivate over the counter-productive hate sludge this blog and it’s constituents has evolved into.
Unlike some of the main focuses of this blog who have either killed people or been charged by the legal system, please consider the fact that most of these “gurus” being bashed – be they scum who I wholeheartedly agree are selling something I nor many intelligent people would buy – have no murders or criminal records to their name.
It’s not far-fetched to say that this blog is losing steam. Those who think for themselves are starting to see that the author has become the very same thing he complains about: Marketing that is 100% sizzle 0% steak.
Eben Pagan has not killed anyone, nor been legally charged. He produces an information product which people purchase of their own volition with full knowledge of a MINIMUM LEGALLY GUARANTEED 30-Day Refund.
Dan Kennedy, same story.
It’s your duty now, in order to preserve your positioning, to squelch this dissent, and encourage your followers to do so as well.
However, as a critical observer of the author’s viewpoints, I continue to ask the following question, in regard to the fact that your blog is based around the concept of attacking these “gurus” who are selling information products to people who buy of their own volition with SAFETY NETS ALREADY IN PLACE (30 day money back guarantees minimum):
WHAT……..
DO….
YOU….
PROPOSE…..
To…..
DO?
If you’re not going to make logical arguments within reason on why you think these men are worthy of being attacked, then would you please propose the problem clearly, along with your proposed solution or personal goal clearly?
Because I’m pretty sure you are Dr. Floyd Ferris in disguise.
Could be wrong though. I’m just your average dumb blog reader. I think I’ll go give Mr. Kern some list control feedback that I need a new product on how to read blogs more effectively. Perhaps it should be around 20 discs. I think disc 19 should be about blog comment section scrolling speed for optimal reading.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Brad Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
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@Isn’t it?,
You’re obviously seriously mistaken. Coming in here and attempting to put on a “sophisticated” front while bashing the author of this blog has failed you miserably.
The majority of the stuff posted by the author is in fact true and is backed with photographs, links to interviews, links to court documents, videos, etc.
While I do agree that the last couple of months posts haven’t been the “reporting” that the author was previously doing, it looks like he was just having fun for a while, which he is entitled to. It appears he is gearing up for another assault of truth. Rain on.
I’m not sure if you’re a star scumbag or a customer of one but your connection to the dung beetles that are the IM guru crowd is both obvious and hilarious at the same time.
Brad
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Isn't it? Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
@Brad,
Did you read my argument sir?
Did you read the two particular gentlemen I’ve pointed out who’ve been attacked on here without any logical reason as of yet other than a subjective stance on price point?
Did you read the part where I stated my position that I feel most of these “gurus” are scum of who I wholeheartedly agree product garbage that I would not buy, but cannot understand what the complaint is when a government-based 30-day mandatory money-back safety net is already in place?
Please, read first, and please, don’t sacrifice your brain to the automated defense of others just because they’ve said some things you may have agreed with in the past.
I admire Aristotle.
But if he were alive today and said something stupid, you better believe I’d question him.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +2
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Ian Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
@Isn’t it?,
Salty isn’t targeting the “us-vs-them” market, you turd. He’s writing an informative blog ousting these scam artists hawking info product. This may be hard to comprehend with your tiny marketing brain but everything isn’t a fucking market. Sometimes people enjoy what they do, for free.
I’m sure you use your logic of “Eben Pagan has not killed anyone, nor been legally charged. He produces an information product which people purchase of their own volition with full knowledge of a MINIMUM LEGALLY GUARANTEED 30-Day Refund.” to sleep well at night.
All these gurus are hope salemen. They sell nothing. There’s no product to purchase, it’s all word salad. Successful internet marketers don’t pitch bullshit seminars on how to ‘make it big’, they keep their secrets to themselves. If they do sell them, they’re already obsolete.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   -2
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Brad Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 7:42 am
@Isn’t it?,
I’ll repost something with the hope that it sinks in. “The majority of the stuff posted by the author is in fact true and is backed with photographs, links to interviews, links to court documents, videos, etc.”
This could also be read as, “The author creates his reports based on factual information.”
Does that mean that mean that he’s going to make transparent his “logical reason” in every post, on your schedule? I doubt it.
As for the two dooshies that you’ve mentioned, I’ll give you a hand on understanding what makes them so dooshy since it’s obviously above your head as an IM groupie.
Dan Kennedy, hmm. I’ll just start with the fact that this guy writes books like “Marketing to the Affluent” and sells courses like “Renegade Millionaire” and the guy lives in a house worth a few hundred thousand dollars. Not so great for the “Renegade Millionaire”, huh? I know a guy who works at the post office with his wife working as a customer service rep who live in a nicer, more expensive home. I’d venture to say that his “tactics” aren’t exactly working all that well, hmm?
Eben Pegan? Wow. You’re seriously defending this guy? Eben is the king of looking and audibly sounding like he knows what he talking about while actually saying nothing at all. I once watched 2 hours worth of Eben Pegan videos in which he promised to teach high level time management. Know what the lesson was? One word, Focus.
Wow, groundbreaking!
I’m glad I spent 2 hours of my life watching that trash to learn that I need to focus. My grandfather who never got past 7th grade used to say “focus, determination, and hard work are the only way to get the things you want in life.” Sounds like my grandfather has about 6-8 hours of content there by Eben Pegan standards.
You’re snotty, wannabe sophisticated, attitude has done nothing but made you look like a cocky fool. I know what might make you feel better though, go buy a Dan Kennedy and Eben Pegan course. Lord knows you haven’t spent your money on any college courses on logical thinking.
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SD Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
@Brad ::
Seriously! I’ve watched all these soul sucking Pagan videos and have yet to hear him make a single point. I don’t get how people can listen to him without wanting to slap the shit out of him.
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Alanis Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
@SD, I remember Eben from “Wake Up Productive,” saying “You must drink… 500mL of… the PUREST water… when you wake up.”
Reminded me of Dr. Strangelove:
“I first became aware of it, Salty… during the physical act of love… Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly… and write an E-Book about them.”
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 11:56 am
@SD,
Generally, people don’t get that feeling of bashing someone’s face in just because they’re talking…even so, you watched it on your own will. So all you have to do is close the video.
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advancedNoob Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 1:38 am
@Brad,
Agree with you 100% on Eben Pagan. Re: Dan Kennedy though, I think your point is not quite…err…up to par?
I make more than a lot of people that live in bigger houses because the believe in taking out bigger loans while I believe in saving and paying cash for my goodies. I drive a car that is smaller and older than most people who make less than me, and that has nothing to do with my income. It’s choosing to be wise with your money.
If anything, I’d say it’s people who spend like nuts without having that money actually in their account who need to stop and reconsider.
So yeah…all I’m saying is that your point about Dan Kennedy is not a very good one at all. Don’t take this the wrong way, I’m just saying that you should/could come up with something better than that buddy :)
Other than that, I have yet to come across a man who reminds me of a train wreck more than Eben Pagan. The dead, expressionless eyes accompanied by the constantly moving and sometimes over-emphasizing mouth is both difficult to look at and to look away from…
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Brad Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
@advancedNoob,
The difference between you and Dan Kennedy is that DK is using hype about his success and lifestyle in his advertising which isn’t in line with how he actually “lives.”
Also, there’s a big different between you, who makes more money that “most” people, and Dan Kennedy, “Millionaire Maker,” “Million Dollar Copywriter.”, “Greatest Business Guru Of All Time,” “Master Of Making Money Off Of Rich People.”
Show me one “Greatest Business Guru” or “Millionaire Maker” who actually has the money he claims that lives in a house less prestigious than a postman.
Brad
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
@Isn’t it? ::
If lies or misrepresentations are involved :: then people aren’t “buying of their own volition.” They are being exploited for showing insufficient skepticism :: which isn’t justice or capitalism. If you don’t understand that … you don’t understand this situation.
How are you so sure that none of these other d-bags have any bodies on them? Because I’m not. I talk to sad and broken people every day who have been pushed way over the edge … some of them will never come back. You take $25,000 from someone for nothing :: even without considering all the mind fuck tactics :: and you’ve dramatically altered the course of their life. So fuck that. And fuck Eben Pagan … and fuck Dan Kennedy. I see through it :: and I’m sorry if you can’t.
WHAT DO I PROPOSE To DO? Well :: for starters :: I plan to never state exactly what it is that I’m doing so that badguys are free to let their neurotic imaginations run wild. Isn’t that just so frustrating of me? Yeah :: I know. It’s almost like I know what I’m doing.
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Kann Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
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@SD, You’re a lawyer, aren’t you SaltyDroid?
LOSER!! ::   -7
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srsly Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
SD – srsly, best comment 4 realz – all your comments should have a ‘like’ button. No down thumb. Just 1 green like button lol
SD FTW!!!
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Alanis Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 9:09 am
@Isn’t it?, give me a fucking break.
“Eben Pagan produces an information product which people purchase of their own volition.”
After he’s targeted these people at their lowest point and worked them into a buying frenzy. And then? Huge prices, no value and another product in the pipeline. Word of mouth will decimate his business, Salty’s just the first wave.
(Besides, he’s now too old to sell his “dating” horseshit.)
While I’m here:
“It’s not far-fetched to say that this blog is losing steam. Those who think for themselves are starting to see that the author has become the very same thing he complains about…”
God, learn to write! Try: “This blog is losing steam! The author’s become the thing he hates!” Besides, the blog doesn’t need “steam.” All “the author” has to do is BE THERE for the people who’ve fallen into someone’s sales funnel and point to the exit sign.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Cromulent Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 9:29 am
@Alanis, you can’t be John Alanis, can you?
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Alanis Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
@Cromulent, Morissette… “Ironic”… a silly little gag.
No idea who John Alanis is. It is entertaining how stuff’s getting voted down on this one, though.
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SD Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
@Alanis
Isn’t it ironic how all these assholes show up and tell me that I’m about to start losing a game that I’m not even playing? Meanwhile :: by the rules of said stupid game :: I’m CRUSHING all of them. Or is that not ironic at all? Irony is really a very tricky subject you know … help us out FakeAlanisMorrisette
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 7:45 am
@SD,
“”After he’s targeted these people at their lowest point and worked them into a buying frenzy. And then? Huge prices, no value and another product in the pipeline. Word of mouth will decimate his business, Salty’s just the first wave.”"
Targeting and forcing people into a buying frenzy? WTF are you talking about? Nobody forces anybody to buy anything, they do so based on their own will.
And word of mouth hasn’t decimated anyone’s business. In fact, they make more with each and every launch. Do they get more haters like salty..of course, because behind every successful person is a pack of haters. The reality is though, that they get more customers every time, and more people finding success with what they are selling. Go and cry some more, maybe you’ll make some sort of difference one day, who knows.
“”Isn’t it ironic how all these assholes show up and tell me that I’m about to start losing a game that I’m not even playing? Meanwhile :: by the rules of said stupid game :: I’m CRUSHING all of them. Or is that not ironic at all? Irony is really a very tricky subject you know … help us out FakeAlanisMorrisette”"
Oooh ooh I love that song!
You are playing a game though, the same game that Perez Hilton plays…following celebrities (in this case, internet celebs mostly), and then posting everything you can dig up about them. It’s a rush for you, and you hope to get your followers praise, and, essentially become a guru yourself…it’s called and anti-guru.
And you’ll never post anything good about them, will you? The fact that they donate to charities, or make successful people will be swept under the rug and ignored by you. Oh wait, I guess they didn’t deserve the money they earned in the first place, m i rite? Because they’re just out scamming everyone and their brother? Get a grip.
And why haven’t you targeted Shoemoney yet?
I guess the fact that he’d have this blog offline or you with your head spinning in jail for slander within 10 minutes has nothing to do with it…IDK.
Maybe you’re being paid off NOT to post something about them, and that’s how you make your money..who really knows…or maybe you get a sick satisfaction from causing ‘controversy’ and being ‘edgy’. Either way, the best thing that could happen to one of them is to be featured here. It means you’ve taken notice and they’ve become big enough to be featured here, like I’ve said before. Keep hating the players, and not the game.
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Alanis Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 10:07 am
@Kann,
People don’t buy “Debbie D Douchebag Your Dating” because of their “will.” That idea of agency is libertarian nonsense. Wills can be manipulated and molded in the short term so that perfectly good & normal people wake up in a “membership site” bleeding $297/month to listen to a sociopath lie to them about A)how much money they’ll make, B)how to make that money, and C)how they’re gonna feel about themselves when they’re done crucifying their ethics.
Read Cialdini, Jonah Lehrer’s latest, or a basic marketing textbook. When we’re vulnerable, we make emotional decisions. And “vulnerable” is not “gullible,” a dangerous equivocation I often see in comments here I otherwise agree with.
PS
I failed to embed the precious fluids earlier:
And I had some top-shelf insults for you, but we’re done. I hereby deny you the Essence of my choicest obscenities, such turns-of-phrase as include horses, goiters, and liberal allusions to 4Chan and Wesley Willis (may he rest in peace).
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
@Alanis,
I’ve read Cialdini. Great guy, great psychologist, great book.
The only problem with your ‘vulnerable’ fallacy is that a lot of these products don’t pander to a ‘vulnerable’ crowd. Vulnerable is having to buy something because you have a gun to your head and you will die if you don’t buy it. As far as I know, nobody has ever put a gun to anyone’s head and made them buy a product online.
“Wills can be manipulated and molded in the short term so that perfectly good & normal people wake up in a “membership site” bleeding $297/month to listen to a sociopath lie to them about A)how much money they’ll make, B)how to make that money, and C)how they’re gonna feel about themselves when they’re done crucifying their ethics.”
As far as point A goes…there is always an earnings disclaimer, and a lot of times they don’t say how much money the buyer will make…they tell you how much they (the seller) has made. It’s always up to the buyer to determine how much work they’ll do and make. This is common sense. Membership sites are a slippery slope sometimes, and should ALWAYS have a clear-cut way to get out of them. If it doesn’t, then that’s a crime in my book.
As far as point B goes…A lot of what I’ve seen will tell you how to make that money. If you do follow the program for 30-60 days or whatever the refund policy that has been put in place, and it doesn’t work, then you can refund, and then come and complain online about it. Remember, there’s no guarantees and disclaimers put in place for this very reason. If you buy a mosquito spray and then a mosquito bites you while the spray is on…are you gonna go running to the store saying “heyyyyyy this spray didn’t stop all mosquitos!!” when it clearly says on the bottle that it actually won’t…
As far as point C goes…well, ethics are a pretty subjective thing..and I’ve never seen a marketer suggest going out and killing people and robbing them of their money, so yeah, that’s up for debate.
Save your top-shelf insults for somebody who cares, let’s stick to buying and selling, shall we Mrs. Morisette?
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irony ftw Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/irony
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SD Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
@irony ftw ::
Wow! That is so awesome.
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# 14 June 2010 at 2:17 pm

Kann said:
Don’t they all win…since they all laugh all the way to the bank, and make a hell of a lot more money than you or this blog’s readers?
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Ian Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
@Kann,
Considering they have to live with themselves, I wouldn’t call it a win.
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Kann Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
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@Ian,
Do tell Ian, do tell.
How does someone “live” with them-self?
Oh, you mean they have to face the fact that they’re all successful business owners with thousands of happy customers/clients?
While there’s a small <1% minority out there like this blog and its readers…
Yeah, that's rough man…really rough.
LOSER!! ::   -4
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Ian Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
@Kann,
“Oh, you mean they have to face the fact that they’re all scam artists with thousands of brainwashed customers/clients that are in denial of their useless purchase?”
I fixed that for you. Let me guess you pulled the <1% statistic out of your ass? You have no way of proving said statistic?
Wow, sounds like what your buddies do. Shocking.
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Kann Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
@Ian,
You’re right Ian, I did pull that number out of my ass. But it’s actually probably much lower than 1%. And nahhh I’m not one of them, but that’s pretty flattering.
What makes me curious though is…
How is something a scam if someone willingly purchases something, and has the ability to get a refund? What part of that is a scam?
They’re not telling you one thing, and then giving you another…and they’re certainly not forcing you to buy anything.
Now, those Nigerians who email me and say that I have an inheritance of $1,000,000 coming my way…that’s a scam. If someone is selling diet pills, and then gives me sugar pills instead, with no way of refunding…that’s a scam.
If an internet marketer says he knows how to do list building, and is damn good at list building, and that he can show me how to do it too… Well then you pay a price to learn how to do so, make sure a refund is in tact, and he delivers on that promise and shows me how…AND if I’m not satisfied I can get a refund….that’s NOT a scam.
That’s how buying and selling works Ian. If someone finds value in the price they paid for the purchase, then it’s not denial…it’s called customer satisfaction. If they don’t find value in what they purchased, they can get a refund. Oh, and I guess they can come complain online, too…but most people try to find something valuable to do with their time. You won’t find those people here though.
I mean, hell, Lamborghini’s are statistically shown to run worse and not last as long as a Honda Civic…but it costs 10x as much. Yet, people still buy them, and people still find value in them…I guess they must be a scam too Ian, huh?
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +2
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Ian Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
@Kann,
Kann, your wonderful analogy has opened my eyes. You mean to tell me people pay for overpriced products and services all the time? Willingly, even? I had no idea. What an amazing revelation. I’m happy you didn’t charge me thousands for it.
You’re aware that poor desperate people, the people your shitbag friends peddle their false hope and practices to, don’t put Lamborghini’s on their credit cards? Even if they, at least they’d have a Lambo sitting their driveway. Let me guess, you WALK AWAY WITH EXPERT INSIDER MARKETING SEO PRACTICE KNOWLEDGE ON REVERSE CAPABLE UNTAPPED MICRO-NICHE MARKETING POTENTIAL USING OUR LIST BUILDING BLUE PRINT?
Since we’re throwing around analogies here, I’ll take a spin off one of yours:
Info product marketing is like buying a Lamborghini. It’s flashy and pretty on the outside, but it’s statistically shown to run like shit when you get into it.
And yes, I’m aware every one of your jackass friends narrowly stays above the law with their 30-day money back guarantees. We know (well most don’t), you can charge back on your card for the steaming turds you produce.
Anyways I’m going to stop feeding your troll.
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Buck Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
@Kann, you said:
“How is something a scam if someone willingly purchases something, and has the ability to get a refund? What part of that is a scam?”
LIES and DECEPTION are not erased by a time-LIMITED, supposed “money back” policy of some shady seller.
Allowing that type of “fraud window” would also mean the BUYER must discover the lies (which should never be an after the fact requirement of buying any product) and they must demand a refund in a period of time that is favorable to the fraudulent seller.
Furthermore, even if a fraudster honors the so-called limited money back guarantee, the buyer has invested time and may have sunk money elsewhere in following the fraudster’s b.s. product info. Even a refund does not make the customer (victim) completely whole again.
A quick perusal of this blog will reveal that some WELL-KNOWN internet marketers have outrageously lied about their product performance, capabilities, and their own backgrounds which help induce those purchases (and there are links and third party references cited to back that up).
No money back policy, disclaimer, or other double-speak will change the fact that fraud has taken place. These guys deserve prosecution, and in some cases, jail time.
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# 14 June 2010 at 2:32 pm

JTyon said:
@Kann, You haven’t made it unless you’ve been featured on this blog. So yes, they all win. The more haters you have, the more successful you are.
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
@JTyon ::
Do you think that’s how Perry Belcher feels about being featured here? You think that’s what Harlan Kilstein thinks? Do you think James Arthur Ray is appreciating my balls to the wall behind the scenes “help” during the worst moment of his life? Do you think he’s glad the world found out about Colleen Conaway? You think he’s gonna send me a thank you card for riding the ass of the San Diego Police about it?
Being featured here means the possibility {even if slight} that you are about to experience a severe reversal of fortune. The fear of “losing it” is the number one monkey on the back of those whose large gains have been ill gotten.
I can tell you from vast personal experience :: the “I love haters” talk is 100% bullshit. No one hates haters more than SHAM gurus.
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Kann Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 4:45 am
@SD,
ROFL, the only people who are hated on here are the ones who are big enough and successful enough to be noticed by you.
Now, I can’t speak for EVERYONE that’s been featured here…it’s pretty clear that you’ve manifested yourself to a ‘stalker’ level of hate. I just know a lot about internet marketing and what’s being taught. You obviously spend a good amount of your day(s) looking up and researching every little meticulous thing about these people, as if they’re not even human (although you probably feel as if most of the people you slam aren’t human). Hell, your persona (a salty droid?) isn’t human. You’ve never made any mistakes or slipped up in life yourself, m i rite?
All while still being under their influence, because you spend a lot of time thinking about, and following these people (just for different reasons than most).
And I doubt most of them care that you slander..err ‘talk’ about them here…this blog is like the tabloid magazine of internet marketing…lots of talk, most of which is manufactured or stuff that is happening internally with companies, and no action. It’s all free publicity anyway.
Behind every successful person is a pack of haters.
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Jean D. Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
@Kann, There’s an element missing in the faux arguments of d-bag defenders like you(I’m not talking about soccer defenders.) Because you cannot comprehend the cognitive processes known as altruism or empathy,you assume all of us who are angered by,and mobilized against, scams and conmen do so because we have “lost” something or cannot “generate wealth”. Are you not aware that the majority of humans dislike seeing others taken advantage of,injured,or killed simply because they have entrusted themselves,their bank accounts,and their lives to sham scammers who don’t give a rat’s arse about them? Feeling outraged by these guys has nothing whatsoever to do with our success or financial status.
BTW,you might want to check your use of the words “hate” and “hater” when you’re posting here.They’re far too 1994 and “middle school”. That’s not the developmental level of advanced thinkers like the little robot who runs this place and those of us who tune in to his blog. Most of us actually possess a far more varied lexicon and repertoire of emotions that are typical of humans who effectively utilize their prefrontal cortex.
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SD Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
@Jean D.
They really want to believe that “success” is what’s being hated. I guess it would hurt to much to admit that it’s the fucking blatant EVIL that is being hated. Deal with it D-bags … YOU’RE EVIL. Think about it every time you look in the mirror to stare at yourself and practice your “I care about you” face.
And … you’re so right about “hater” being linguistically unhip. Ha! All these grumpy old men pretending to be MacHead Internet Geek Hipsters :: fucking posers!
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 7:30 am
@SD,
EVIL? Cue the dark horror film music.
I guess the whole industry of marketing, buying/selling, and economics is evil too huh?
FFS, if people buy things that are returnable on their own will, those that are selling should be crucified! It’s blasphemy!
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Scum Spotter Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
“Kann,” you are truly one low-life SCUM bag.
So a medical products company knowingly releases some DEFECTIVE HEART VALVES onto the market because if they don’t, they’ll go broke and the management all lose their high paying jobs.
But…OF COURSE they will take back any heart valve that someone “complains” about, because it is “returnable.”
And THAT makes it o.k.?
You are a fucking sociopathic lunatic, “Kann.”
Go rot in Hell.
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 7:27 am
@Jean D.,
“There’s an element missing in the faux arguments of d-bag defenders like you(I’m not talking about soccer defenders.) Because you cannot comprehend the cognitive processes known as altruism or empathy,you assume all of us who are angered by,and mobilized against, scams and conmen do so because we have “lost” something or cannot “generate wealth”. Are you not aware that the majority of humans dislike seeing others taken advantage of,injured,or killed simply because they have entrusted themselves,their bank accounts,and their lives to sham scammers who don’t give a rat’s arse about them? Feeling outraged by these guys has nothing whatsoever to do with our success or financial status.”
Oh, and the word d-bag isn’t middle school too? Hater.
And Yes, I am aware…I don’t like seeing people ‘hurt, injured’ either. But that’s not what IMers are doing, they’re selling a product, that you can willingly choose to buy or not buy. You know, buying and selling. If people want to injure themselves, then so be it.
The only person trying to ‘hurt’ someone else is your boy Salty here…slander and words can hurt just as much as physical pain/financial pain. Luckily, nobody really cares what he has to say…it’s all tabloid linkbait here, and if you can’t see that..then you might wanna jump off the nearest bridge.
“BTW,you might want to check your use of the words “hate” and “hater” when you’re posting here.They’re far too 1994 and “middle school”. That’s not the developmental level of advanced thinkers like the little robot who runs this place and those of us who tune in to his blog. Most of us actually possess a far more varied lexicon and repertoire of emotions that are typical of humans who effectively utilize their prefrontal cortex.”
Advanced thinkers? If you mean mr. anonymous the SaltyDroid who posts out of his moms basement, and edits my posts to include the words wanker, wang, and turds, then yeah, SUPER DUPER advanced. He might even be able to win the special olympics. He truly beats me with rationality and logic. w00t!
But for the rest of us, you know, the elementary school wankers, we actually have something half-way valuable to say. If you weren’t too blind to listen, you’d understand, but you have a certain bandwagon mindset, and you’re riding salty’s bandwagon all the way to the end.
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Just clarifying your post... Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Kann – great post.
Just thought I’d help make your point a little clearer for everyone to really empathize and understand your point:
“I don’t like seeing people ‘hurt, injured’ either..and if you can’t see that..then you might wanna jump off the nearest bridge.” – Kann, Excerpt from his new info-product “How to spin anything, any way, any time: The guide to making bullshit sound AWESOME!”
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Absurdist Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
@Kann:
“…it’s pretty clear that you’ve manifested yourself to a ’stalker’ level of hate.”
So when the police go after crooks and stay on their tails, that must be a “stalker level of hate.”
Epic Fail, “Kann.”
(Is that phonetic for “Con?”)
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 7:17 am
@Absurdist,
Well, if someone is doing something illegal…that’s criminal, so cops are doing their job.
This blog is pure slander, from someone who doesn’t have all the facts, and isn’t a law enforcement officer.
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bob Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
@Kann, So YOU have all the facts? How do you know SD doesn’t have all the facts? You’re a pompous ass, and a deluded one at that.
Why the preoccupation with this blog? It’s because you live in fear that you’ll one day get nailed by the feds and spend time behind bars. Observing the fall of your heroes isn’t going to protect you from that. I won’t bother with the honesty and integrity pitch because you aren’t buying and never will.
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SD Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
D-bag talking to self …
@JTyon & @Kann are the same person.
The more sock puppets you have :: the more desperate you are.
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
@SD, Damn, I must be desperate…for what exactly, I’m not sure….
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mojo Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
@Kann,
Well, the word “attention” comes to mind… :-)
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 14 June 2010 at 2:48 pm

Kann said:
@Ian,
it appears this blog only nests 5 comments deep…so I’ll make a reply here.
I’m happy that my analogies opened your eyes…unfortunately not wide enough to see how buying and selling works.
By the way…these people aren’t my friends, lol. They’re internet marketers. Now that we’ve cleared that up…let me continue with what I was saying, and if you’re lucky, I might even throw in some more analogies for you.
Let’s take your comment step-by-step here:
“You’re aware that poor desperate people, the people your shitbag friends peddle their false hope and practices to, don’t put Lamborghini’s on their credit cards? Even if they, at least they’d have a Lambo sitting their driveway.”
If they’re poor, desperate people like you say they are…why are they spending money (and sometimes thousands of dollars) in the first place? Of course they’re not buying Lambos…they’re broke.
And if they ARE spending their money (when they’re poor and don’t have it, not sure how that is possible), then why aren’t they applying what they’re buying/learning?
And if they are applying what they’re learning and not seeing a result, then why aren’t they refunding and getting their money (which apprently they didn’t have much of in the first place) back?
Because, believe it or not, a lot of these ‘scams’ you talk about, do actually have merit to them…and there have been hundreds of people who have put the work in and had it work for them. See, that’s part of the problem though, most people aren’t willing to do anything…because just buying something isn’t going to make their financial troubles (or whatever troubles they have) go away. They actually have to take action, use, and apply what’s being taught. And in the process of buying something that might work for them, they create their own self-fulfilling prophecy of failure…because they expect this thing to a handout, instead of an opportunity.
I guess college is a scam too, huh Ian? Anyone can pay thousands and thousands of dollars for ‘education’..can go to class, look at the board, and still fail every single one of their classes. Or worse yet, pass all of their classes without guarantee of a job. Epic scam there, huh? (sorry about the analogy btw).
“Let me guess, you WALK AWAY WITH EXPERT INSIDER MARKETING SEO PRACTICE KNOWLEDGE ON REVERSE CAPABLE UNTAPPED MICRO-NICHE MARKETING POTENTIAL USING OUR LIST BUILDING BLUE PRINT?”
Very intersting…this could work as a headline possibly.
Moving on…
“Info product marketing is like buying a Lamborghini. It’s flashy and pretty on the outside, but it’s statistically shown to run like shit when you get into it.”
Ah, so then you are saying that a Lambo is a ‘scam’? I’m unclear as to what your point is with this analogy. I don’t think a Lambo is a scam. Nobody is putting a gun to people’s heads and telling them they have to go out and purchase one.
And statistically, who knows how many millionaires have been created from people like Kern, Walker, [insert IMers name here]…you need to address that on an individual basis. I know the owner of the CPA network I promote offers for is a multi-millionaire…and do you know how he got his start in IM? He read an ebook by FlamingLiar on Warrior Forum.
I also know a successful (multi-millionaire ZOMG) internet marketer who started by reading The My Little Pony Strawberry Chronicles.
I really wish I could make this stuff up…so I could rally alongside all of you and feel like part of the crowd, but I can’t deny truth.
Anyway…
“And yes, I’m aware every one of your jackass friends narrowly stays above the law with their 30-day money back guarantees. We know (well most don’t), you can charge back on your card for the steaming turds you produce.”
This is true.
And I’m willing to bet most refunds occur not because the product is crap, but because those poor, desperate shitbags you described earlier and referred to as ‘customers’ are the same pathetic leeches that want handouts and things for free…so they buy, then refund, then briefly skim the product, then come on saltydroid.info to complain, even though they haven’t put in any amount of work required to actually become successful.
“Anyways I’m going to stop feeding your troll.”
FEEEEEEEEEEED MEEEEEEEEE
Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   -1
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
@Kann ::
This is classic: “If someone is selling diet pills, and then gives me sugar pills instead, with no way of refunding…that’s a scam.”
Wrong. It’s a scam to sell sugar pills as diet pills. Issuing a refund is just what a smart criminal does when he gets caught. Fake pills :: and false promises :: are crimes even if people are currently getting away with it. If you adopt the practices “taught” by these dipshits to your actual business … you risk losing everything in an instant at the whim of some bureaucrat.
Link to these people who have had so much success by applying the tactics of some lame ebook without themselves becoming a part of the problem. If you can’t link to them … then don’t talk about them.
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Kann Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 4:27 am
@SD,
Yeah, that’s what I said..it’s a scam.
And did you know there’s a whole industry to this whole, what is essentially, ‘sugar’ pill thing…and it’s called acai berry? And that these people willingly sign up for rebills, because they don’t read the TOS?
And that this industry is larger than most of these IMers you feature on here combined?
Why aren’t you talking about actual scams…?
Hell, look at the cigarette/tobacco industry…those products actually make people ADDICTED to it, and then KILLS them. Mind you, this is all done from their own will…nobody makes anyone buy cigarettes. Man, that makes this blog and these “SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER” IMers look pretty harmless.
But like I said before, I actually do know people who have generated zillions from sucking off some of these guys wangs …and no, I’m not going to out them in a public way like that. If they want to come here and speak for themselves, they can, but I doubt they’d waste their time. Especially since they are so busy, what with all the wang in their mouth.
Which reminds me… I remember one person I know who studied both Jesus Christ and Winnie-the-Pooh. He had already done a few product launches over the course of a year, but it really took off when he studied those 2 gurus in particular. He then took 2 months and developed another product, then launched it, and made over $600,000,000.00,ooo,104. After paying affiliates, he pocketed a cool case of NattyLight in one week.
Yeah, yeah, I’m making this shit up, right? blah blah.
But I almost forgot, this blog has never talked about those that actually take action and find success…it only talks about the people who expect handouts, and when they find they actually have to do something, come and complain.
Heck, I remember reading one of Jenny McCarthy’s ebooks about SEO, about 2 years ago. One of the best things I ever did. And that ebook was already 4 years old at the time I read it. I guess going on to having massive success with SEO, and making thousands of dollars with it makes Jenny a massive scammer for that. Although, you’ll probably bring up something about PlayBoy or something…which is still in business BTW.
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Alanis Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 9:17 am
@Kann, you moron. They don’t “willingly sign up for rebills,” you & your ilk ILLEGALLY slap FORCED continuity on them. You act like people are stupid so they deserve to get ripped off? Because you’re a sociopath?
Though the tobacco industry is a good example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agreement
I agree that the IM Infogurus should have death warnings slapped on their sales pages. Maybe a UK-style “TALKING TO THIS GURU WILL CAUSE DEATH” label?
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 7:15 am
@Alanis,
Hehe, sociopath, let’s compare IM gurus to sociopaths, I’m the Charles Manson of IM. ROFL.
I think there’s a [slight] difference between going out and slaughtering people, and setting up a sales page on the web.
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Jean D Reply:
June 20th, 2010 at 11:12 am
@Kann, Fact check: Charles Manson didn’t slaughter anyone. By using coercive control,he convinced others to “avenge” the man(previous resident of Tate’s house)who had rejected Manson’s guitar audition years earlier.
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SD Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
@Kann ::
Success testimonials without links are strictly prohibited … no exceptions. I’m not interested in hearing your masturbatory fantasies about e-millions. Links … or silence.
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 7:13 am
@SD,
Awwww Salty, you mad?
Damn man, you’ve sunk to a new low with editing my post…and you were already pretty low to begin with.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 9:51 am
@Kann, Whatever one might think of those “poor, desperate shitbags” who expect instant success with no work, most of the hustledorks Salty writes about are very deliberately pandering to the laziness, greed, and expectations of instant gratification that are so much a part of our culture. That was one of the messages I tried to convey in my recent attempt at “bipartisanship” on my own blog (i.e., the Wink talks). Yes, consumers need to take responsibility and finally get it into their heads that if it sounds too good to be true, it almost certainly is. And those who invest in a product for self-improvement or business improvement should at least make an effort to use the product. BUT marketers bear a big responsibility as well for exploiting people’s worst impulses.
Even among those who are somewhat honest about sober reality (at least on their legal disclaimer pages), those implicit or explicit promises of effortless wealth and daily miracles are SOP in the marketing campaigns. We see this type of pandering in everything from branded shticks such as Tim Ferriss’ “Four-hour Work Week” to the endless generic promises, by big names and wannabes alike, that once one has signed up for a given program, one can just sit back and let the money roll in.
If it weren’t for the unrealistic expectations of those poor, desperate shitbags for whom you seem to hold so much contempt, those stunningly successful marketers/authors/workshop leaders (and their exceptionally able students) would, more than likely, not be nearly so successful.
And I think you know it.
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Lou Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Kann is just a shifty convenience rationalist with serious situational ethics issues. You just can’t have a logical discussion with someone with a larcenous bent. He’s simply an amoral contortionist. Fortunately, he’s a little more obvious than his sleazy heroes, which makes it easier to smell him from a distance.
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SD Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
@Lou ::
I’m not sure he is much more obvious than his sleazy heroes. They are pretty fucking obvious. Kann here is just lamely echoing the echos.
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 6:55 am
@Lou,
LOL Lou, cut it out with the bigs words man, you pretty much pulled words out of the dictionary but didn’t really say anything…don’t know how you managed to do that, but you did.
And Salty, you’re right. I like echoing echoes that need to be echoed. But hey, my voice isn’t heard here, as noted by the votes down. Let’s all come in droves to vote down Kann.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
@Kann,
It may help your understanding a bit to know that the internet marketing “players” the Droid is targeting here also created the Game. That they control the conversation by promoting each other regardless of the quality of the content, and that they meet regularly to plan for their continued control of the marketplace.
Hate the player, hate the game, one and the same in this case.
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 6:57 am
@Unicorn Army,
It doesn’t matter who created ‘the game’. It wouldn’t exist without happy customers, because there’d be a million blogs like this one if it was such a bad thing, but there isn’t…because it isn’t a bad thing, not at all.
SD is just a guy that got a bad deal somewhere or felt ripped off or something, and then goes off and generalizes and lumps all IMers together. Sad, really.
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# 14 June 2010 at 6:06 pm

Cosmic Connie said:
I like the changes in the line-up. I haven’t really been following the actual World Cup, though, so someone please let me know how Spain is doing!
And good for you, Salty, for linking to Jody’s excellent Guruphiliac blog. It’s one of the best sources on the Net for info about the “Eastern type whack jobs.”
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Wow, that one little comment of mine (June 14, 9:08 PM) keeps getting voted down. I wonder if those who are giving it the thumbs-down are Joebots who, in light of Salty’s World Cup lineup, do NOT want Spain to win, or if they’re people who feel threatened by Jody’s blog.
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# 14 June 2010 at 9:08 pm

LOL said:
My my my how much confidence the IM scammers have. Seems you all have begun to believe your own lies. You “really are gurus” aren’t you now? Click the heels enough and it’ll all magically happen. God have mercy on you when you realize the traps you’ve been so smoothly lead right into, just like you’re doing with unsuspecting people now. You know nobody would give your asses a dime for that shit if they knew they could Google it for free. While you’re typing bullshit and pretending to be all brave on this blog, you’re secretly hoping SD will give you some kind of hint as to how much he REALLY knows about your pathetic asses. It’s fun sitting back and watching you walk right down that yellow brick road. Hahahahahahahaha.
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Kann Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 4:08 am
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
@LOL,
All I can say is, LOL!
What’s it like being broke?
LOSER!! ::   -7
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 9:17 am
@Kann, Pat O, is that you?
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 7:06 am
@Cosmic Connie,
Hey Connie how’s it going?
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LOL Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
@Kann, your focus on other people’s money gives your true intentions away. You’d sell your own children off if need be.
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
@LOL,
Sell off my own children, that’s blasphemy!
I believe in trading something valuable (like money) for something equally valuable (like a product). You determine if it’s valuable to you by purchasing or not.
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Unbroke Seminar 2011 Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
@Kann, how does a poor and broke conclusion like that help give credibility to anything you’ve said on this blog?
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
@Unbroke Seminar 2011,
It doesn’t, he just saw me trollin and then started hatin, so I answered with an equally ridiculous reply. You’re right, I should’ve wrote something worthwhile, but he didn’t, so I didn’t think I was required to. My mistake.
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# 14 June 2010 at 9:42 pm

JTyon said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
It is so much easier for noobs to pay $2000 to these gurus and soothe their conscience for a while that they are doing something to get out of the rat race that they will continue doing it, no matter what.
You can try to explain to them that taking that $2,000 and putting into designing a site and sending traffic to it they would actually be successful, but they will never listen. They want someone to do it for them. They are willing to spend the $2000 just on the chance that it will work with no effort on their part.
Stupid? Yes. But then again they don’t have the desire and determination that it takes to be successful as an affiliate anyways, so who can blame the gurus for taking advantage of that? They have figured out a very profitable niche and they are banking off it.
At the end of the day, you can’t sell a newbie what it takes to succeed. You can sell them everything else, and they will continue to buy it. Trying to convince them otherwise is a waste of time. Let them spend the money, still not succeed, then come crawling back to you with questions and if you are their friend or care about them, you can help them out at that point.
They are addressing real demand and absolutely deserve to bank off it. Stop hating guys, you are not the target market!
I love these huge, hyped-up launches. It means a fresh flood of Clickbank affiliates coming in the door. At least several of them may actually apply whatever may be in these courses and go on to learn on their own and become successful affiliates. That means more potential affiliates, list swaps, and JV partners in niches other than IM (or even in IM).
LOSER!! ::   -4
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SD Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
@JTyon ::
You need to read more of the posts :: cause you seem to be confused. Death is caused by the predator … not the prey. Excuses and rationalizations are just that :: the blood stains who it stains :: no hiding from facts.
There is no way to teach “newbies what it takes to succeed” because the “teachers” don’t know how to succeed. They just cheat. Anyone can cheat … and you don’t need to buy an ebook to learn how to do that either. It’s as easy deciding your willing to do it.
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# 15 June 2010 at 5:06 am

Yakaru said:
Byron Katie is an excellent choice for England. In fact I suspect she may had a hand in their keeper training program.
Reading the comments in this thread, I realise that this is one of the Droid’s more controversial and provocative pieces – it seems to have upset several sock puppets and trolls. I can’t say anything about the matter because I’m still getting over Australia’s horrendous peformance. All power to Germany (my current Heimat) from here on in.
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SD Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
@Yakaru ::
Yeah Australia was miserable. A loss and a red card for Cahill :: goodbye.
Germany :: on the other hand :: didn’t do Tony Robbins any favors with their impressive awesomeness.
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# 15 June 2010 at 7:55 am

Kann said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
They see me trolllllinnn, they hatttiiinnn, patrollin trying to catch me scammin dirty.
LOSER!! ::   -7
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# 15 June 2010 at 8:02 am

bunny boiler said:
if kann is pat the bunny, he is fresh off of having to give away alot of seats to his seminar since he couldnt sell them. he even whines about it to vitale on his blog, and they try the stupid “those who cant afford it are the ones who need it most” lame selling ploy. didnt work. then they tried to say you can make money at their seminar by running around like a moron with your little tape recorder and video camera and tape people and then sell the tapes. that didnt work neither. so then he announces if you buy a ticket you can bring a freind for free.
youre time has come, losers. deal with it.
WINNER!! ::   +11
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SD Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
@bunny boiler ::
Maybe they should have offered a Pat & Joe Wrestle Naked in Burrito-fed-dog Shit breakout session. That would have moved some units.
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Nikki Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 5:04 am
@SD, that’s just ill! The image that has just burned itself into my brain is both grossly unnecessary and humiliatingly amusing.
My eyes! They burn!
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Kann Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
@bunny boiler,
I had to LOL at this. I can’t speak regarding seminars, since you never really know if one is valuable or not until you go to one (or you know, read about them online), even then you’re still offered a refund (I think, I’ve only been to one free one).
Yippy skippy!
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