James Arthur Ray’s Pre-crime Crimes
100% Iron Clad :: it sounds good … but is it really? I have no fucking clue what cladding is :: but I’m sure you can do better than Iron. Wild guess :: Titanium. It’s stronger :: lighter :: and way more expensive {thus helping to support the vast military industrial complex that is bringing us all so much pleasure}.
If you go to James Arthur Ray’s Harmonic Wealth Weekend {now only $1200} and you’re not totally “thrilled with your decision” :: say because you watched some lady bleed out after James tried to demonstrate the power the Law of Attraction holds over chainsaws :: then you can just get a full refund … no big whoop.
Of course :: you’ll have to sit through every stupid fucking session … unlike people who are not planing to ask for a refund who are free to scamper off and commit adultery while you’re stuck listening to Ray’s assistant talk about the healing power of triangles. And make sure you “participate” :: turn that frown upside down Mister :: if you aren’t willing to participate in the 14th “Hugging Session” of the afternoon :: then how can you expect to have happiness in every single aspect of your life 100% of the time? No hassle though.
There is so much to learn ::
Balance is so bogus! I totally know what you mean. You had me at hello. I hate the way people are always getting all up in my face about Balance … as if! It’s all about harmony now :: suck on that Buddha!
Oh … and one additional tiny-little-small non-hassle from the fine print ::
“If while attending the Harmonic Wealth Weekend, you are not completely satisfied with your experience, please contact an onsite JRI Team Member during the Friday evening dinner break. In order to qualify for a refund, you must have attended the event in its entirety through the Friday night dinner break and you must turn in your workbook and name badge to a JRI Team Member at the time of your request.”
“Oh, I’m sorry Ms. Workin’ Gal but our policy explicitly says “during the dinner break.” I’ve already started eating my cake, so from a legal standpoint this is dessert. Our lawyers are real sticklers about the onset of cake eating being a clean line rule. Maybe next time you should read some of Mr. Ray’s inspiring books before you arrive so that you’ll be better prepared to benefit from the programs. I know most of the other attendees are allowing the Balance is Bogus mantra to bring perpetual wealth and happiness into their lives. I wish there weren’t so many things wrong with you. Well anyway, I enjoyed my cake.”
This famously boilerplate “dinner break” clause is buried on a page of refund terms for a wide array of James Arthur Ray’s frauducts. The terms are not accessible from the sales page.
On the same refund page are the terms for the World Wealth Society.
“A non-refundable minimum deposit of $20,000 for individual membership or $15,000 per partner for a partner membership must be made at the time of enrollment. At least 50% of the remaining balance is due 30 days post enrollment, and the full balance is due 60 days post enrollment.”
Holy shit balls! $20k is just the minimum deposit? What sort of grand scale bull shit con is this dude running?
Is James Arthur Ray guilty of criminal negligence :: negligent homicide :: manslaughter? Those are all tough questions :: and depend on a jury {likely made up of chuckleheads} seeing through a professional Con.
There is an easier route :: a better path :: one that hits closer to the genuine nature of the harm and the epidemic that it represents.
James Arthur Ray’s activities were probably criminal :: and absolutely unethical :: BEFORE he pressured people into his sweaty little death trap. He could be called to account for those crimes :: Starting with a tax audit :: RIGHT NOW!
Come back to Twitter James :: You putrid fucking loser :: I’m waiting for you.
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More fabulously hilarious writing ::
- James Arthur Ray :: Life Sentence You know who’s in jail right fucking now? Orenthal...
- Hello James Arthur Ray “James Arthur Ray is transforming the way the world...
- James Arthur Ray :: Always Be Closing Final days in the trying trial of semi-professional manipulator...
- James Arthur Ray :: Manslaughterer James Arthur Ray :: aka Death Ray :: arrested...
- Endangering James Arthur Ray FUCK YOU James Arthur Ray :: you motherfucking motherfucker!!...
:: read one now before you die of stupid.
Damn, this prick has no shame at all.
Go get him man. Catch him, chew him up and spit him out for the dogs to feed on!
He deserves all the hardships that come upon him for his grotesque acts of treason to vulnerable and innocent people.
Bob
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Anonymous Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 1:12 am
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LOSER!! ::
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I cant believe this guy…Seriously.
Maybe this explain why those retards stayed in the tent EVEN after people had died…
They were thinking, “shit I can’t get my 10k back if I don’t stay the course, so even though they just removed people from the tent DEAD, I’ll continue to sit here and sweat to death.”
This is clearly the most f-ed up story ever. The more I question what happened, the more I question any lack of common sense for anyone who’s ever given this tool a dime.
I agree Tax Audit is a great place to start with this tool. But after that I’d like to see him hung by his balls…Either or will do to start.
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When people pay good money for what they are made to believe will change their lives then of course they are going to stay for the whole thing. They get to the last thing and are still waiting for the good monies worth and it never comes. This whole thing is quite shocking and James Ray should be held accountable.
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I wonder if Joe Vitale Mr. Fire will get a little in Ray’s face and remind him that he attracted this into his life?
Mr. Fire was the guy in the secret saying how people were probably thinking “I didn’t attract the car accident” or “I didn’t attract blankety blank into my life” etc.
Mr.Fire reminds us in the movie the secret, that we DID attract these “negative” things into our lives. Mr. Fire says “I am going to be a little in your face and say, yes YOU DID attract it”
Did Mr. Ray attract this ??? Of course he did, because the subconscious mind is as loud and clear to the universe as the conscious mind. Ray wanted to make a difference in people’s lives AND teach people about money, and so the universe complied with his every wish.
All of this will shine a positive light on exactly what Salty is bringing to people’s attention which is that these jokers who are playing with peoples lives need to be exposed for who and what they truly are
sad that not only did people get hurt, but that lives were lost
The universe listens to all of our thoughts and maybe some of our thoughts have been “how many people will end up bankrupt, end up in destroyed relationships or become worse off all because of these guru’s and god like figures who are all about the dollar?”
The universe was kind and only took 2 lives to give us all a wake up call.
They will never be forgotten nor will this incident.
May they both rest in peace knowing that their lives meant something, and that THEY made a difference to and in our world.
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canyouexplainthisplease Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Great point about Mr Fire. Oh yeah, there’s another one worthy of a review here…oh, and excuse me, but Mr. Fire is actually “ DR Joe Vitale.” Ha ha….DR is mail order probably- or made up.
He and his side kick – that blues guitar rocker Pat O’Brian or O’Bryan – are the kings of ebooks on this type of b.s. with Joe’s Secret programs and their own Milagro? -or something like that – Institute with brain science, clearing, and a bunch of other pseudoscience garbage.
Hell, Pat couldn’t even get his auto responder, videos and web pages set up correctly last time I looked yet he still boasts about how the secret has allowed him to make a ton of money selling private label rights ebooks.
And Mr. Fire was always displaying his collection of exotic cars that the Secret had allowed him to attract. Like…when will people wake up and realize that them buying all those Secret programs and ebooks that Joe sells are the “secret” to Joe’s success and will do nothing for them.
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Bob Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 1:20 am
Now fellas lets not forget the wonderful Ms Oprah Winfrey in all this! She contributed her endorsement of these wonderful people who preach The SECRET. The SECRET is real and the truth is that its about making money. James Ray, Procter, Mr Fire, Chicken Soup man, Oprah Winfrey, etc are all about the SECRET and it is all about making money. Anyones elses money being put into their pockets. Geez It is a guru paradise for the gullable. Honestly these people had some money and they wanted it. Unfortunately they got a lot more than they bargained for, poor fools. I feel for the families of the dead and I hope people start looking at what it is they searching for. More than likely it is right under your own nose.
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Jake Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Speaking of “Mr. Fire,” Joe Vitale, here’s an interesting post about him from Cosmic Connie’s blog:
http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/2009/09/parting-rubes-from-their-rubles.html
Check out his tweets quoted at the beginning of the post. What do you think he’s “attracting” with an attitude like that?
It’s interesting how he became a “Dr.” only recently, with such a full existing schedule. Guess he “attracted” that.
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canyouexplainthisplease Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
OMG, what a hilarious crock of shit! Like sure he managed to get the ticket agent fired because he missed his flight…because he’s such a rock star.
Must be an honorary doctorate from Dr. Kilstein’s school perhaps? Doctorate of B.S.
Austin and surrounding Texas Hill Country seem be headquarters for a bunch of these scammers – Deiss and Belcher are in Austin; Mike Dilliard, who I believe has been profiled here with the Carbon Copy stuff; Joe and Pat and their buddy Craig Perrine.
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Jake Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Yeah, Joe Vitale (who once claimed to be homeless) seems to be a lot fuller of himself now than when he was broke. When he says, “jump” you had better jump, damnit!
THIS might explain ”Mr. Fire’s” educational background a little better than his web site cares to:
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Joe_Vitale_(author)
According to that page, he failed to graduate from traditional college in Ohio, but he now has a “doctorate” in…you guessed it…metaphysics…from a “university” in…you guessed it…Sedona, Arizona! Impressed aren’t you? Or maybe not…
Using those credentials takes some real chutzpah.
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canyouexplainthisplease Reply:
October 20th, 2009 at 12:42 am
Kent State is supposed to be one of the better state journalism schools from what I’ve heard…probably why Joe didn’t graduate. That fake doctorate probably helps him sell more books. Joe and Pat both have their books on the shelves of local B&N and Borders retail book stores.
Here’s another one of Joe’s many talents…he thinks he can play the blues harp.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4kbNM9W2ek
You’d think he would invest in private lessons and learn how to improvise before putting this online. I think he should be included on Ken McCarthy’s - proud Princeton grad and the King of the Internet Mafia – Jazz on the Tube series. It was Ken’s big video money making “secret” to get folks to one of his System Seminars last year and Joe has been featured there too I believe.
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FunnyUShouldAsk Reply:
February 21st, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@Special K, you are absolutely right on target. Yes, the universe did take care of business and exposed this crack pot for what he really is which is a complete fake. BUT, these people who follow him including the people at this sweat lodge are just as “nutty” as he is. I wouldnt follow him to the f*cken grocery store.
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who ever made that james ray twitter page is really a clownhead lol I’m still laughing my ass off at:
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Do you know The Secret? If so please tell me because I don’t seem to know shit about shit.about 9 hours ago from web”
I love your sense of humor lol pure talent and genius. I hope this page goes national, USA Today, TIME, CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC, BBC
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That guarantee reminds of a bad joke. It may as well say that a refund will only be given when the moon is in the 4th quadrant of the equinox during a high tide in Sedona, Arizona on the 30th day of February while on a connecting flight from Cleveland.
By the way, for those of you that don’t know, Sedona is nowhere near an ocean or a body of water that actually has a tide. I wonder if any of the people in these pictures are the ones that died or were injured: http://bit.ly/4l2rxW
People paid to hear crap like “Balance is bogus?” They should just be excellent to each other.
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I haven’t read this yet, but thought you might be interested:
http://www.examiner.com/x-11245-Philadelphia-Speculative-Fiction-Examiner~y2009m10d15-Breaking-news-transcript-of-private-call-between-James-Ray-and-sweat-lodge-victims
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SD Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
I read that last night :: It was great … and crazy! Some major BS is going down here … that dude needs to have his mouth stapled shut right this second.
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Live press conference on the event right now on CNN.
Seems Mr. Ray is a suspect and there may be charges pressed. He didn’t officially say that he’s a suspect but rather a person of interest and the investigator hopes to see a swift resolution soon.
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Tank152 Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
“Person of Interest” is always code for suspect. Uh-oh!
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Check out this quote about the private conference call James Ray and staff made to the victims after the tragedy:
Barb is one of James Ray’s staff members and she goes on to talk “of the two that had passed and they left their bodies during the ceremony and had so much fun they chose not to come back and that was their choice that they made.”
Let’s see if the coroner lists the cause of death as, “HAVING TOO MUCH FUN.”
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SD Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Nothing says “fun” more than asphyxiating while your lungs burn.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/15/arizona.sweat.lodge/index.html
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Lock them up and throw away the key and/or subject them to the systematic manipulative abuse that they heap on everyone they want money from.
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the question is being asked if other people have died while attending James Ray seminars. search Google for the name
Colleen Marian Conaway
http://www.examiner.com/x-11245-Philadelphia-Speculative-Fiction-Examiner~y2009m10d15-Breaking-news-transcript-of-private-call-between-James-Ray-and-sweat-lodge-victims
BREAKING NEWS: Sweat lodge deaths now a homicide case
By Lisa Irish, The Daily Courier
“Because of information that we have obtained from interviews from participants in this most recent “Spiritual Warrior” seminar and from other past participants in them, we have elevated the investigation from an accidental death investigation to a homicide investigation,” Waugh said.
Sheriff’s detectives executed search warrants earlier this week at James Ray International’s offices in Carlsbad, Calif.
Additionally, documentation on whether participants were advised of the risks before or during the Spiritual Warrior program,” Waugh said.
Waugh said his office would like all participants who have knowledge of the Spiritual Warrior seminar at Angel Valley Retreat, or who have experienced something similar, to contact the Yavapai County Sheriff’s Office by e-mail at http://www.ycsoaz.gov or Yavapai Silent Witness 1-800-939-3232.
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The James Ray incident is a ritual sacrifice for the James Ray hidden spiritual practices. They believe that the energy given off from someone dying will appease their gods and in turn give them powers of wealth and charisma and of course domination. The police found something odd and out of place and that is why they now suspect that this was no accident.
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Wonder what a bar-be-cue’d harlan kilstein would taste like
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like shit LOL
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There’s a special ring of hell reserved for this steaming pile of stinking monkey shit. This gutter trash filth is the standard bearer for con man scum. Now, every other flim flam artist will at least be able to salvage a modicum of respect by saying…”I may be a crooked scumbag, but hey, I’m no James Ray.
Go die, you disgusting piece of filth.
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Just found this blog while googling.
Some good info, but jesus sheeple.
How does it feel to wallow in this much negativity ALL the time. Not disagreeing with all the douche bags you blame, but you lot seem to really spend WAY to much time devoting yourselves to beign totally fucking miserable.
Remy
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Optimist Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
If it’s one thing we’re optimistic about, it’s the inherent badness in this world. And it’s our job to catalog it. Welcome!
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RemyCanuck at one point in your future existence you will experience what we have experienced and then you will have a much better understanding of us here and now. Too bad that the experience will be as fucked up as what we’ve known, but that’s the law of attraction for ya ;)
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The case is of global interest
http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-sheriff-probes-sweat-lodge-deaths-as-homicides-20091016-h0vu.html
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I just read that comments on that link and it appears that Rays spokesperson, sidekick, handyman or whatever titles suits his purpose for today says this: ”I find it very interesting the police are trying to escalate the case in the media, and frankly, I think the escalation should be in getting the facts,” he said. “We have one goal and that is to find out what happened so that it never happens again.”
Why is it that when these people are being questioned for doing something considered wrong in the eyes of normal people they immediately find someone else to shift the blame too i.e. the media, other peoples thinking, telling them to practice what they have been told. Why? because that manipulation worked!!!!!!! Wasn’t the Aussie jerk in the other video accused of doing the same thing? Frankly I think he and many others are evil people and as guilty as hell too of using other people to line his own pockets.
People like this deliberately practice mind manipulation and spend thousands with one purpose, to make themselves rich. As a result they become extremely poor in every other way because the disease that they suffer takes over their entire thinking and they end up oblivious to the suffering and pain they cause to others. They get on this cycle of mad mind altering quest for wealth and status because it feed their disease and makes them feel good….for a while. I bet some of them don’t feel so good now.
Being an honest, fair, not greedy and harmonious citizen should be these peoples only focus and they might be taken seriously. They assert themselves as not just an authority but THE authority and to hell with anyone who dares question them or call them to account. They are totally shameless.
For it to never happen again means that these hideous greedy evil people are never allowed to sell anything to anyone ever again. I’m for all people acting in this way to be brought to justice as soon as possible. I reckon that a good number of them might be quickly covering their tracks right now in the wake of this catastrophic event.
My heart goes out to the victims and their families.
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The whole “Secret” movie was full of shyte. There were subliminal flashes of “Rosicrucian” and at the very beginning when they people were chasing the man with the scrolls you saw a 10 second flash of a man with a french 1700;s wig sitting infront of what looked like a painting, but when you slow the frame down you see that it was a charted diagram of the baphomet. Then, throughout the whole thing you see little masonic or rosicrucian symbols in the back. I know for a fact that Michael Beckwith, one of the people in the Secret movie is into occult. He even sells Aleister Crowley and Aton Lavey books in his bookstore right at his Spiritual Center!!
And before anyone gets upset at me for mentioning this, I am not downing anyone’s spirituality or religion, even if you’re a Satanist or you’re into Crowley or whatever. I’m just making a point that the people that were in “The Secret” are not all what they appeared to be.
If you’re a secret fan of Satanist philosophy, while outwardly proclaiming something else, then that’s deceptive. If you’re using hidden or subliminal words and images in your movies, then you’re dishonest and a dirt bag.
Once again, I want to reiterate that if you are a fan of Lavey or Crowley or the occult – this post is not meant against you. After all, more women and children were slaughered in the name of YHWH, Allah, Christ, god and baby jesus than any satanist groups.
I’m just waiting on some shit to come out on DeMartini who was also in the secret because frankly that guy is as weird as they get.
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SD Reply:
October 21st, 2009 at 11:57 am
Look :: you’re famous :: http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/10/strange-connections-of-james-death-ray.html
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Wyrd Reply:
October 23rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
@SD,
I think that’s good article that you linked to.
But it didn’t seem to mention where the image or the comment came from, and that’s a pity.
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This is tragic news! I’m very sorry for those who lost their loved ones. Please note – if you do not know the details of this story – do yourself a favor - and remain silent. You night be glad you did. This story will unfold in due time . Blessings!
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SD Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Remaining silent is almost always the wrong choice. It’s remaining silent that allows innocent people to die. Sometimes “in due time” never comes.
If you know the details :: don’t worry about yourself :: do the right thing for other people and find someone to tell the truth to right this second. You’ve been waiting long enough. You’ve been sleeping on it long enough. All freedom comes from truth.
Blessings!
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FunnyUShouldAsk Reply:
February 21st, 2011 at 1:49 pm
@SD, “Remaining silent is almost always the wrong choice. It’s remaining silent that allows innocent people to die. Sometimes “in due time” never comes.” ABSOLUTELY AND WELL SAID!!
For evil to florish all it takes is for good people to do nothing.
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This newly published inside account of the tragedy is truly shocking. If it is at all true, James Ray is starting to look like an extremely dangerous man, an outright sociopath, and needs to be stopped from recruiting new victims immediately.
http://tinyurl.com/yfy7e7r
http://www.examiner.com/x-11245-Philadelphia-Speculative-Fiction-Examiner~y2009m10d16-Breaking-news-Inside-accounts-of-James-Ray-sweat-lodge-tragedy-and-retreat
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“I am unable to find any credentials that would qualify him to be using psychological techniques.”
OMG this is what people have been trying to get across to the authorities for several years now. These so called “experts” seldom have ANY qualifications and when they get so greedy they cannot afford to admit anything because it would destroy the charade that they live by.
Salty you are absolutely right. If you have had any negative experience SPEAK UP, SPEAK LOUD AND DO NOT FEAR ANYTHING THAT THESE FOOLS SAY because they are really just little people with massive egos. It is time that all of them were held accountable for what they teach and claim to be experts in. The time has come for justice for every single person who has been affected by their crap.
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Sweet fuck almighty, where did this slimey fuckstick crawl out from? What a greasy sick ploy this money back guarantee is. Nowhere does he say “no questions asked,” because you can bet your right nut it’s anything BUT no questions asked.
Just imagine the sad pathetic situation, as someone who wants there money has to walk up to a true believer–absolutely no doubt trained to the max in turning up the heat to get any shmo trying to back out to change their mind and agree to eat it. Not only does someone have to search out a “team member,” and ask for a refund face to face during a small dinner break window, but you can be damn sure these team members aren’t going to be sitting alone while you walk up. Knowing it’s the only time you have to ask, they’ll no doubt be surrounded by true believers and fully engaged in “this is so fucking awesomely life changing” discussions. And you, as someone who wants a refund, will have to cut in and, in front of everyone, ask for a refund.
Christ, can you imagine a more uncomfortable situation than that? I’m so fucking sure the team member will just say, “well, that’s too bad, but okay, here’s the refund.” Yeah, right!! It’ll be a full court press to make you feel like the biggest loser on earth for wanting a refund–in front of probably a dozen fawning “this is everything anyone with a brain and ambition needs to revolutionize their life” disciples (most of which will probably be carefully co-ordinated plants t0 make the refund request rate as low as possible).
Oh, and we know it won’t be a quick “okay, here’s your refund,” because this fuckstick says you have to attend all meetings and do all exersises. So, you’ll have to prove it in a sit down. Pull out your little exersise book, and show him all the completed exersises…and, I can just imagine some of these exersises will be right out of the Scientology playbook of “this is why I’m a fucking loser up to now…these are my darkest secrets that have held me back…blah blah blah…”
Just hand those exersises over to this guy, let him verify that you completed them by reading them (in front of his rah rah plant disciples??).
Yup, getting a refund is just that easy.
This asshole takes the cake.
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LOL try getting a refund of the Aussie guy. Refunds should be claimed and issued through a third party so these shmucks do not manipulate the situation like they always do.
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Salty–
Thanks so much for the work you’re doing. Wish I’d found you sooner.
Not sure where to post this. I started following you for James Ray and Perry Belcher, but have run across some info you may be interested in about a guy named David Neagle. Here’s some juicy stuff:
http://www.kashonia.com/summary/david-neagle-experience-the-reality.
The reason I bring him up is that I know someone who is going deeply into debt by getting $9000 (yes, that’s 9 thousand) a MONTH coaching from a disciple of his. Basically, the disciple is following David’s exact coaching model, so I largely blame him.
When you read further down the comments on the above page, you can see some of the same scary mindf**k techniques that people like JR and Tony Robbins and their ilk use, as well as a complete refusal to refund monies after saying people could ask for refunds if not satisfied. Many of these poor people at his $10,000 seminar came from Europe and Australia.
Anyway, I’d love to hear what you think or if anyone has any info on his ‘mentees’ (people who hype him up to audiences)–I know Ali Brown is one and I wonder about her…
I wish I could say something to my friend–I’m afraid that since she’s paid for several months already, she would be emotionally invested in her ‘coaching’ working out for her (even though it hasn’t as far as I can see) and may not appreciate my input–kind of like some women not wanting to hear that their husband is cheating.
Love it if Salty could put the word out on this guy.
Thanks
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canyouexplainthisplease Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Hey Lynn, glad to see you here. I’m glad you brought this up. I just posted on this yesterday in another thread: http://www.saltydroid.info/who-killed-colleen-conaway/ . It took me forever to locate the link yesterday because Neagle’s people spam the serps and to hide it.
I’ve been watching Ali Brown and her downline now for quite awhile and find her group totally frightening. Cult like if you listen to some of their pre sell calls. I’ve read that her forced continuity is hard to get out of and it appears that only a few of her people are successful.
I know that Carrie Wilkerson, the Barefoot Executive, began promoting Neagle recently to her folks so he’s expanding his affiliate program.
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anonymous Bosch Reply:
February 4th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
re: Ali Brown
Ali was my neighbor in Marina del Rey and spent some time banging James WhatsHisFuckinName, the College Speaker Kid.
Anyhoo, Ali it turns out does NOT run a profitable business. I have it on good authority that she NETS about $100,000 a year.
Respectable for a workin’ woman, but hardly worthy of being followed.
AB
P.S. her tits ARE fake.
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SD Reply:
February 9th, 2010 at 2:21 am
Madame Brown :: ugh!
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCNhhy-Nxss
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_cartman_ Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
I’d say the most you can do is forward the link to your friend anonymously, but she has to make the decision to act or not act on the information given. If she doesn’t want to believe no amount of information will change her mind.
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Lynn Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Oh poop–(excuse the strong language–I know SD frowns upon such :-))–I can’t seem to reply to previous comments.
In any case, thanks for the feedback, cartman–I think I have to agree with you. Makes me angry and sad, tho.
canyou–I’ve seen several of Ali’s proteges set up coaching programs that are several thousand dollars a month when they have very little background to back it up. As one said, she was told to ‘build the plane while you’re flying’. That’s all well and good if you’re not charging $9,000 a month for expertise you are basically learning just before teaching your clients. That’s just wrong.
Back to JR–here’s an eerily apt article that could have been written about the man himself regarding Narcissistic Personality Disorder in spiritual gurus:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Narcissistic-Spiritual-Gurus&id=1148136
Wow.
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canyouexplainthisplease Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 12:09 am
Don’t worry about the profanity or author SD, this site really is the most decent, sane, tell it like it really is place out there. And yes, that’s what Ali’s group is told. I’ve studied her group very closely. Watched one lady on promo video they featured who had paid like 4-5k for a weekend seminar cry because she was sooo damn thrilled when they made up a pageant coaching biz idea for her on the spot to take home and work on. The lady stated several times that she was in a lot of debt but felt “called” to attend this event to start her biz. I followed it, the site didn’t take off, and I bet she’s in worse shape now. Please other thread you posted in where I replied in further detail on this. I thought you had written this there, edited the post there and I responded anyhow. I just found this post. Here is the other one: http://www.saltydroid.info/death-ray-walks-away/
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PsychoBabble Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 5:26 am
“Build the plane while you’re flying.” – Ali Brown
Pardon my French, but Holy Fuck! That’s got to be an award-winning bad piece of advice.
How about this one?
“Make the incision BEFORE you start pre-Med. You can always wing that anesthesia stuff
and learn how to sew them up later.”
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PsychoBabble Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 6:06 am
The root of much – if not all – evil: John Childers, Mr. “Embedded Commands”
Childers taught many of these people, including Ms. Brown, how to “sell from the stage.” (i.e. mind fuck people in large groups.) I believe his FIVE DAY training on how to do this – this and nothing else – used to be $25,000 (just $5,000 down.)
Childers also taught the legendary DB Robert Allen and a lot of lesser lights like the thoroughly odious little creep Alex Mandossian (who shills for Arch Shill Mark Victor Hansen), but the number of scammers and would be scammers who’ve taken Childers “training” is huge. You can see some of them on his web site. It’s kind of like DB Central. http://www.seminarspeakertraining.com/
Several years ago, Mandossian claimed he made $10 million in one year doing tele-seminars. Uh huh. Right. Meaning, he grossed an average of $27,397 a day 365 days in a row from his home office. But not really…$10 mil is just a good “hypnotic” number.
He calls in “The Opus.” Someone should make a video called “The Odious” that highlights all the gurus stars at their best. It would be a lot more useful to the world that another “Secret” wannabe video, don’t you think.
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Lynn Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Wow–didn’t know that about Ali’s income. I do wonder, though–she charges I think around $100,000 a year just to ‘apprentice’ with her, so that figure may not be right.
I just wish she wasn’t taking such advantage of people. I know her mentor is that David Neagle guy who also charges outrageous fees to teach people to do the exact same thing to others.
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It’s a shame these idiots don’t put their money to good use: like giving it to charity or raking care of a child in need with that sum. They choose to give it to this guru for his mambo jumbo mind altering crap, enreaching his already stuffed pockets and getting poorer every time they decide to spend a few more thownsends of dollars for crap like this. This reminds me of the mass suicides Jehova witnesses conducted years back. People, wake up!! You want to clense your spirit, i have one word for you: CHARITY!!! Oh wait, that doesn’t make any money. Guess what morons: neighter are James Ray’s teachings. You enrich him while you continuue to loose you money along with your BRAINS!!! WTF -WAKE UP
When i saw these idiots in a circle singing together, I realised that it doesn’t take a smart man to stupify people. All it takes is just A TINY TINY bit of brain, cuz the crowd of rich idiots have none. One more time i have proof it doesn’t take brains to make money, on the contrary.
I wish these idiots would just wake up and smell the coffee and bring this James Ray to justice.
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SD Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:29 pm
I don’t think they ‘chose’ to do anything … I don’t think they ‘decided’ to leverage themselves in a hopelessly deep hole. The whole point is that these heartless predators grab them by the throat and drain them of life. All rage should be directed at the assholes willing to cross the line :: who are willing to openly exploit.
Directing your aggressiveness towards the victims is a huge fucking favor for the bastards.
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zocr Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:43 pm
You’re right, i’m sorry about that, I shouldn’t blame the people but i am just angry this whole thing happened. I saw James Ray once and saw what he does to people. I still have the image in my head that i was the ONLY one there at his seminar who wanted to RUN away. I spoke to people at the seminar(regulat folks who attended and payd big buks for this) and they told me that i was WEAK and NO READY TO RECIVE.
Sorry, i will not pick on the victims again. It’s James Ray who did all this and caused people to not think straight. It’s just sad you know?
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I’ve been to half of his seminar someone had an extra ticket and said it would be interesting. This guy James Ray is a good salesman of BS and rich people buy into anything he’s selling them. I was astonished by the amount of idiots that participated. By the end of the day(12 hour a day seminar over 2 consecutive days) he had everyone sitting in a circle holding hands and sing. That was ENOUGH for me to figure what what the heck that was: a cult of indoctrination, a very very very dangerous man and not go back the next day. This whole thing finished at 2 a.m. and we were supposed to come back for another round same day at 5 a.m. Is he nuts? I thought…How the heck can you get 3 hour sleep and be able to keep a clear mind the next day for another 12 hours of yupping? I told the friend who gave me the ticket i won’t go back, they’re all f***ing crazy and he got upset saying it was a $2000 ticket he gave me and didn’t know I would be s weak. That day was the last day he was my friend.
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I fee like i should have done something but didn’t know what!! I could sense this kind of tragedy will eventualy happen after witnessing one of his seminars and how people there spoke to me about me calling it what it is. I knew this would happen!! I wish i could have done something to help!! Hey by the way, if there’s anything i can do now, even if it is late it is still not too late to witness what i saw. Who can i write my experience to? Can you help me help the familys of these people? I live in Chicago
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@zocr :: You are forgiven. It is seriously frustrating … and it’s hard to know exactly what to do about it. The scary thing is that James Ray is just one of dozens of unspeakably evil d-bags destroying people with these same techniques.
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this man is a con man, a murder, and needs to be put away. I love all the comments all very right on. Bless you all!
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@zocr mass suicide + jehova’s witnesses? Please give some references because I think you’re mistaken on that, but you’ve got me curious.
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How come this blog isn’t devoted to exposing the biggest turd on the Net?
Yes, you guessed right: “Dr.” Joe Vitale!
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SD Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 5:52 pm
@Curious :: I’m limited by the space-time continuum … and by the copious amount of turds that are already floating in my pool.
But “Dr.” Joe is a reader {or at least he looks at the pictures} … isn’t that right Wimberly Fatty Cakes?
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Martha Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 6:25 pm
The “Secret” enabled Joe’s income to catch up with his ego.
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Joe Vitale. Sarah Palin. Glenn Beck.
REPENT, THE END IS NIGH!
Either that or America is now officially an Idiocracy.
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Wow I live in the city right next to this guy in Oceanside (Carlsbad is right next to oside). I just found out about him tonight. I guess you never know who your neighbors are. I also visit horton plaza almost every time I visit San Diego.
He’s constantly posting a bunch of weird crap on twitter, like every other hour, I mean as recent as today. And he’s never tweeting others, just posting his obscure philosophies. He is definitely a twisted psychopath in his own sick world.
The stories on this site make my stomach turn. Hopefully he’ll get use to focusing on a 6×9 cell soon. Actually that fate would be too pleasant for this worthless cock sucker.
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I went to James Ray’s harmonic wealth weekend. Having read about the sort of thing James Ray was supposed to be teaching I was curious. Spent $1299 to go to the seminar, plus hotel and travel.
This was over 2 years ago and I still feel ripped off! I have never seen such guts in a person to talk people out of their money (and shame others out of their money). I could write a full book about the absolute BS I encountered there and how shocked I was to see people whipping out their credit cards to sign up for future, more expensive events with mr. ray.
One of the final straws where I wanted to jump up and scream was when he told of one of the more expensive weekend events in which he takes only a few people (who spend the $10K) out in the mountains near Lake Tahoe and shows them how he can change the weather! Seriously, he said it.
He’s a scammer, he’s made millions from people who believe his BS, and he’s guilty of murder IMO! I hope he is found guilty and is punished for his crimes – he has committed many in the past IMO, but this one is beyond belief…
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SD Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
@wantmymoneyback ::
Sorry about your money!
I agree :: he has committed MANY MANY crimes. Were he made to pay for even 25% of the damage he’s done :: he’d never see the free world again.
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I agree Tax Audit is a great place to start with this tool.
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