Who Killed Colleen Conaway?
Colleen Marian Conaway :: a gentle and kind Midwestern Lady :: died on July 25th of this year. She plummeted over a third story railing at the Horton Plaza Shopping Mall in San Diego {link}. The case was treated as a suicide {link}.
Read a little bit about Colleen on the digital obituary and guest book signed by family :: friends :: and one person who was at the mall {link}.
Jumping a third story railing at an out of town mall :: landing almost directly on top of people waiting to get into the theater :: Really? Colleen Conaway, 46, from Park Rapids Minnesota? That is quite possibly the most punk rock suicide I’ve ever heard about. It’s ironic :: it’s poetic :: it’s super hardcore. I have 100% confidence in saying :: without any additional facts :: that’s not what happened.
But there are additional facts. Colleen was in San Diego attending the Create Absolute Wealth seminar put on by James Arthur Ray {only $4000}.
Colleen’s family and friends don’t believe that Colleen killed herself :: Because she so obviously did not.
From the comments on a CBS story about the sweat lodge deaths {link} ::
“Colleen was a happy and successful woman. Prior to her death she had absolutely never given any of her friends and co-workers any signs of suicidal thoughts/intentions. She was making future plans…had a positive outlook on life…and was completely healthy.
Colleen was brainwashed. She fell victim to Large Group Awareness Training. I believe James Arthur Ray and his company completely covered up their involvement in her death.”
In the comments on Integral Options :: a Buddha loving Arizona blog {link} ::
“This is not the first death at a James Arthur Ray seminar…I know that for a fact! A friend of mine died at one in San Diego this July (Creating Absolute Wealth). They did a great job at covering up Colleen’s death. I am sure they know what they are doing is wrong…if they didn’t they would not have worked so hard to hide the events/details regarding her death. Her name is Colleen Conaway and she died at Horton Plaza in San Diego during one of their excursions “exercises”.
Comments on the San Diego Examiner’s article about Colleen’s “suicide” :: all left before the current debacle {link} ::
“I think the group lead by James Arthur Ray has something to do with Colleen’s death. She was there attending a seminar. They use a tactic called Large Group Awareness Training to brainwash participants. Please do further investigation into this.”
“I have been working with Colleen for years now and I agree that this doesn’t make any sense as a suicide. Further investigation is needed. This isn’t fair to anyone who had the opportunity to be involved in this wonderful woman’s life.”
“My aunt was someone completely against suicide and her life was all about being positive … The only thing different and wrong in her life now was her envolvement with the James Arther Ray seminars. We are investigating this and I urge anyone with a family member involved with this guy to strongly question them about the goings on of this organization. Both on a personal and a financial level.”
Colleen’s name wasn’t released until two days after her death :: was that out of respect for her family :: or because she was found without ID? Forum poster The Anticult suggests {among many other interesting observations on this issue} that being stripped of your ID before going out on an “excursion” might be the standard operating procedure for these cult-type seminars {link}.
We know from TechCrunch :: And more interestingly from Duff :: That Ray was tweeting strangely ominous things during the sweat lodge events :: Which he then deleted shortly after the incident.
Here are James Arthur Ray’s tweets from the day Colleen Conaway tragically died at a mall far away from her home and family ::
James is going to push some buttons :: LOTS of buttons :: then he’s going to watch the breakthroughs.
Right about the time Colleen is dying :: James Arthur Ray is having a sandwich {link} ::
“Eating lunch w/my dream while CAW participants are having a life changing experience.”
Then nothing for four days. NOTHING? Either tweets have been deleted … or something happened at the seminar that somehow managed to make one of the world’s most narcissistic windbags shut his stupid mouth about his own perceived triumphs.
Was Colleen at that mall in a state of intense malnutrition and dehydration like the people in the sweat lodge? Was she confused, disoriented, alone, or in a shock? Was she pushed or cajoled over that ledge?
Did James Arthur Ray and his “company” cover up the incident? Did they leave that mall with Colleen dead on the floor without her ID? Were they the “witnesses” that saw Colleen “jump?”
Only one thing is certain in my {highly informed} mind :: Colleen Conaway did not kill herself :: But her family was left to believe that she had. That is an unforgivable sin … and it must be righted immediately.
Who killed Colleen Conaway?
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Wow. I agree. Colleen Conaway doesn’t seem like a person to kill herself in public, especially in such an unusual way. Even if she was suicidal (and it appears she was not), she probably would have opted for something more… private.
If she really did go over the railing at that mall, I’d have to suspect something else was going on. Pushed? Or so thoroughly brainwashed she jumped on command, thinking she could fly?
Ryan
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The DROID is on FIRE. Wow. This is becoming one of the most important websites on the web. Damning. WOW. All I can say is WOW.
I’m totally blown away. Last night I started researching Colleen Conaway and now this. Crazy. There is something very scary going on inside the camp of James Ray.
Bizarre. Keep up the good work.
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I like anyone want justice but I find this article a bit too much.
Dealing with a suicide or death is a matter for the law and if found guilty, I whole heartedly back what you are saying. However, you cannot start accusing James Ray of being part of some sort of murder without facts and your information is mostly speculation (i.e. the twitter messages).
For all we know, he could be completely innocent (of playing a part in Coleens death that is) so why not wait to see how this plays out in the courts etc. I think most of us would prefer to read you attacking his integrity with regards the fees he charges for the useless service he provides. You expose these matters for the rest of us in an enlightening way….please don’t deviate from that.
Bob
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Myrra Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Bob – I have to respectively disagree with you here. Two people just died. And then we find out someone else died at an earlier seminar? That is too weird. There are plenty of facts out there to show us something very wrong is going on: Colleen was fasting and suffering from sleep deprivation, James intentionally ‘pushes people’s buttons’, James is not cooperating with authorities and left town immediately after the recent incident. It sounds like this guy pushes people to their absolute edge to get some kind of breakthrough. Well, if you do that, you need to be watching out for, and taking responsibility for, their health and well being. If James was a psychologist and one of his patients “committed suicide” after they had been instructed to fast and not sleep, that psychologist would no longer be practicing. MORE people need to be raising this issue, encouraging others to speak and shining light on whatever the heck is going on in the dark world of James Ray. This is not the time to encourage tactful meekness – this is the time to fuck James Ray up and stop his madness before more people die.
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SD Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Myrra FTW! :: Blessed are the meek, for they shall lose … every single time … and that is super convenient for the wicked. Amen.
Bob :: Often the system, the law, and the courts fail. Take a look around this blog :: Why is this shit allowed to go on so openly … so flagrantly?
The Internet allows The People to stand up without help or sanction from The Man :: Let’s do it!
Fuck waiting around for the system and the 11 o’clock news. I’m sayin right here, right now … Colleen didn’t kill herself … she shouldn’t be remembered like that. It’s not fair, or right. She didn’t kill herself. We can try to find out what did happened :: and hopefully we will :: but I’m very comfortable saying what didn’t happen. Colleen didn’t just randomly kill herself :: No way.
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I’m not sure if the 911 calls are in one of the links….but in case they aren’t here they are
http://www.kpho.com/download/2009/1009/21255851.mp3
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Bozo D. Clown Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
cartman you are an asset to this site. Thanks for that!
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If anyone close to this situation has more information on what happened the day she died, please come forward either online, or by contacting the local police in San Diego.
There are also phone numbers at this link to provide information, and the phone number given seems to allow for anonymous tips.
http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&subsectionID=1&articleID=73487
Waugh said his office would like all participants who have knowledge of the Spiritual Warrior seminar at Angel Valley Retreat, or who have experienced something similar, to contact the Yavapai County Sheriff’s Office by e-mail at http://www.ycsoaz.gov or Yavapai Silent Witness 1-800-939-3232.
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The comments on the CBS article also says about Colleen.
“She had been emotionally broken down, starved and kept awake ungodly amounts of time. During a group “field trip” to Horton Plaza Mall she plunged to the floor from a third level railing.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/12/crimesider/entry5378668.shtml
Can anyone find any online evidence, on any message boards, tweets, or anywhere else that the James Arthur Ray seminar was at the Horton Plaza Mall in San Diego at the time of death?
There could be tweets or comments from people from the seminar, even complete unrelated to the death, just talking about what they were doing, and the group field trip to the mall.
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What is wrong with you…This is all BS. James Ray is a good man who helps people…so what if he charges for his seminars…so does every other Self Help Guru out there.
What happened to Colleen is sad and unfortunate, yes but NOT James’s fault.
Get a life!
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Myrra Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
The only people who need to “get a life” are the brainwashed followers of James Ray. James Ray is not a good man – there are lots of people out there in cyberville saying they have requested refunds and been denied or ignored. That is not what good men do – they do not leave angry people in their wake. And good men do not cram way too many people into a death trap and exert peer pressure and sales tactics to get them to stay in there. Nor do they immediately leave town and refuse to cooperate with authorities. You are right about one thing, tho – James Ray is about as evil as every other self help guru out there. They are all liars and scammers cashing out on other people’s hopes to fund their disgusting lifestyles. Pour out the kool-aid people – nobody is worth that much money.
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froylein Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
If the biographical information on James Ray provided in this article is only remotely correct, he is in no way qualified to conduct such seminars: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_re_us/us_sweat_lodge_deaths
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SD Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Julia :: How do you know if James was at fault? I certainly do not. If you know something that I don’t know please share it with me. saltydroid@gmail.com
James Ray is not a good man :: That’s a ridiculously stupid thing to say. He helps no one … he sucks everything from people … up to and including their lives.
If you want to continue to defend d-bag maggot James Arthur Ray on this forum :: I suggest you do so from a proxy server :: Not from the registered server at your place of employment. If you don’t know how to use a proxy server :: Then I’d suggest scratching “Whitewash The Droid” off of your list of things to do all together :: I promise it will end badly for you.
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Bozo D Clown Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Cults – not just religious or churches. Amway , Elextrolux, Avon, Mary K, Agel, and most of the self help, MLM”s, self improvement and Internet Marketing guru crap falls right in line with the definition of cult.
Sleep deprivation and extreme body temperature are two of the classic signs of a cult. They did it during the Nazi Holocaust to the prisoners at the concentration camps.
Looks like James Ray followed in the footsteps of his little buddy Tom Cruise at one time. Guess he liked the way Scientology brainwashed people and squeezed every last cent and life out of their members.
http://tinyurl.com/ygpnyjj
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canyouexplainthisplease Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Agree that “most of the internet marketing crap falls in line with definition of a cult.” Most definitely. An early - around 2002 – respected ppc top consultant to offline businesses who apparently joined his local area Glazer – Dan Kennedy mastermind this past year has converted his offline newsletter from ppc to DK crap and made the remark in it that he’s had to drop a lot of his old friends since joining his mastermind. These local DK groups fed into the Belcher seminar and it was shocking to see someone otherwise respected get hooked into this crap.
Here is a link to a blog post about the author’s experience at another one of these wealth seminars, Experience the Reality, by David Neagle. She describes spending 12k to travel from Australia to Las Vegas to attend this event only to be put out on the streets of LV to “manifest”/beg for 1k and being told to stay out all night or however long it took to get it. Neagle’s lawyers refused to honor the guarantee and return the money.
http://www.kashonia.com/summary/david-neagle-experience-the-reality
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Iva Vendetta Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 7:06 pm
re:Julia C
I don’t know what planet or philosophy you adher to – but quite frankly you have your head up in a dark place.
Who in their right mind listens to this carny drivel and falls for it? What happened to independent thought?
Whatever happened to that poor soul happened after she attended “Dr. Whackjob Take The Money and Run” seminar. What is his point in physically exhausting, monetarily depleting personal resources – to what end?
NONE of this stuff makes any sense unless you live under a cult or sect.
Are we all lemmings?
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Breaking news…police are now treating the sweat box deaths as HOMICIDES.
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A haiku for Julia C. from James Ray.
*****
Accidental death?
Just once. Not my fault, sweetie-pie.
Three bodies now. Whoops.
{snapping fingers}
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A tipster points me to this blog post {thanks!} :: The World of AF Grant
Grant says he was at the Creating Absolute Wealth seminar :: He was hangin’ out at the mall thinking about how much he loves seminars … when he just happened to see someone kill themself. He says he was the ONLY one with a vantage point to see that it was intentional.
“One detail I can share is something I witnessed which certainly proved to be the lowlight/highlight. I was wandering around San Diego alone, wondering what I was going get from the weekend; what did I need to learn most? I spotted a woman standing outside the railing of a balcony on the third level at a mall. I thought it was some sort of stunt because ComicCon was going on. She jumped. It wasn’t a stunt. I was the only witness who had the vantage point to know it was intentional. I gave statements to the police and mall security. If you know anything about me, you know suicide is about the biggest button I have to push. Later, I found myself standing where she jumped from, it had only been about a half-hour but the blood stained concrete was cleaned up and the t-shirt kiosk the woman landed on was once again selling “I Love San Diego” shirts to tourists. It was so surreal to see how quickly life moves on.”
WTF? He doesn’t mention that Colleen was a fellow attendee? They probably all came on the same bus together … and that bus left without Colleen!
Wow … just wow.
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Here’s some more gems from the world of AF Grant, in regards to his experience at a James Ray seminar:
“I’m already exchanging emails with eight people I met there. You tend to make friends fast when you’re hugging, giving back rubs and even butt rubs to your neighbors over two very long days.”
Ummm. . . awkward?
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JAMES ARTHUR RAY AND HIS ENTOURAGE KILLED HER AND THEY SHALL PAY.
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WTF?
Something does not make sense.
were the San Diego police told a main witness of a death, was at the time of death involved in a seminar with that person?
how physically close do you have to be to a person to be able to know that it was an intentional suicide?
what does that mean, intentional? as opposed to what?
does anyone know how many other people at the seminar were in the mall.
by some miracle, the main witnesses close friend was at the mall too.
something is not right
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http://www.examiner.com/x-11245-Philadelphia-Speculative-Fiction-Examiner~y2009m10d16-Breaking-news-Inside-accounts-of-James-Ray-sweat-lodge-tragedy-and-retreat
Inside accounts of James Ray sweat lodge tragedy and retreat
by Cassandra Yorgey
“Day Two the sleep deprivation has begun – but that by itself is not enough of a warning to foresee this tragedy. The real warning signs begin with the James Ray Games. One of the brave and recovering victims described a game they all had to play in which James Ray played God. Yep, you read that right; James Ray cast himself in the role of God and would then command participants to die. He would point at someone and they would have to fall down and play dead. They would be covered with a blanket and if they moved another person would “die”.”
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What if someone at some crazy seminar, encouraged or commanded a stressed-out delirious person to face their fear of heights, or fear of death?
What if someone was playing a mind game at a seminar, and someone dared them to jump, and they did.
Then what.
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someone needs to notify the san diego cops about the homicide investigation.
look at these comments from months ago.
http://www.examiner.com/x-833-San-Diego-News-Examiner~y2009m7d27-UPDATE-Possible-suicide-victim-identified
shocked says:
I think the group lead by James Arthur Ray has something to do with Colleen’s death. She was there attending a seminar. They use a tactic called Large Group Awareness Training to brainwash participants. Please do further investigation into this.
August 14, 8:48 PM
Bridget Smith says:
I have been working with Colleen for years now and I agree that this doesnt make any sense as a suicide. Further investigation is needed. This isnt fair to anyone who had the opportunity to be involved in this wonderful womans life.
July 28, 4:43 PM
Jamie says:
On behalf of my family, I want to thank everyone for their kind words and prayers. This tragedy has taken all of us by complete surprise. My aunt was someone completely against suicide and her life was all about being positive.
The only thing different and wrong in her life now was her envolvement with the James Arther Ray seminars. We are investigating this and I urge anyone with a family member involved with this guy to strongly question them about the goings on of this organization. Both on a personal and a financial level.
Again, thank you to everyone for thier kind words and prayers; they mean a LOT to us in our time of grief
July 28, 7:50 AM
anonymous says:
she almost landed on top of me when she fell… i can not get the image and the sound of her fall out of my mind. my heart aches for her and those she left behind. i have not been the same since saturday. i have some closure now that i know her name. colleen – i can now pray for you and use your name. may you rest in peace.
July 27, 9:24 PM
Denise Sharp says:
I knew Colleen and there is no way that was a suicide. I hope they investigate further.
July 27, 4:47 PM
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This whole James Arthur Ray , James Ray suicide thing does not sound right.
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Ray has no plans to slow down, said his spokesman, Howard Bragman. He’ll continue conducting seminars and be a leader, educator and mentor to the thousands who seek his help.
“One of his messages is about dealing with adversity,” he said. “He’s very clear and his team is very clear that we’re going to continue his important work.”
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I am appalled at how these so called experts manipulate people to do and say things that they never would have dreamed of before having contact with them and their deceitful manipulative and very destructive practices. I was a victim of one of the people and I am all for making them be held accountable before they destroy any more lives. Too long have they had the opportunity to put themselves on a pedestal and put everyone else down making them feel worth less. I have listened in disgust as people talk positive to peoples faces and spit venom behind their backs but I shut up for a long time thinking that it wasn’t my role to question. The person I speak of told many lies to my face and because I thought the person was a friend I truly believed. Sadly I find out that behind the scenes so much more was going on and being hidden from everyone who was involved in various ways. It beggars belief that these people can sleep straight at night.
What I have learnt is that these people get to the point where they are so controlled in their own minds that they are clueless to the hurt that they are causing everyone around them. For that I do feel very sorry for them because I don’t see an end to the cycle of destruction they continually live in. Their victims feel so helpless and when they are in that state they don’t even know they are being manipulated until often it is too late. I have no respect and no remorse for their results and my feelings towards the people who perpetrate such things against others will never change.
These people are deluded to the point where they don’t know what else to do, that is all they know and they fear changing. They have become so used to people “worshiping” them that they don’t know what is beyond that. Their ego wont alllow it.
It is these people who need to face justice so that the rest of society is safe. I hope that good comes out of this latest tragedy but don’t think for a minute that there aren’t perhaps tens even hundreds of thousands of people who feel so down trodden because of things that these fools have said or done.
What I have learnt is that no-one should make you feel like that and if they do speak up and speak loud, you just might save another persons life.
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I have worked with colleen for over 2 years and i saw her the day before she left for her vacation and she was the happiest person and she was when she left. she is not the kind of person that would ever do this to herself. YOU ALL KNOW THAT THIS JAMES ARTHUR RAY AND HIS FOLLOWING did this to her and if it wasnt for the waiver that she had to sign just to participate in all of the brainwashing something could be done to this RAY and maybe he could sit in prison for the rest of his life. i dont think this is fair that he can get away with making all kinds of money to brainwash people and use them for their money. seriously $9000 for one seminar plus the cost of airfare and hotel and food i dont know how he is doing this but someone needs to come forward and do something to put him away. if you are someone who has been to one of the seminars you need to do what is right and make him suffer. tell us how he is doing this and maybe let the police know after the sweat lodge incident all the more reason to do something before he hurts anyone else.
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SD Reply:
October 17th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Kim :: I don’t think that waiver would hold up in court if someone tried to fight it. I don’t want to go into that boring subject … but I read it over carefully and it was garbage. I see dozens of holes in it … and like a commenter below points out … if there were criminal actions involved … the waiver is mooted. You can’t sign a wavier that gives someone the right to do things that they don’t have the right to do under law.
I’d really like to talk to someone in Colleen’s family about what the accident/investigators report said. If you can think of anyone who might fit that description … please pass them my email address. saltydroid@gmail.com
I’m sorry about your friend.
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is he in San Diego right now?
contact people in the San Diego media to ask some questions about this other death.
how about some comments in this new article in the San Diego news about Colleen
http://www.10news.com/news/21320439/detail.html
a waiver means nothing if there is illegal activity.
were the police on the scene in the mall told the whole truth by their witness?
were people at the seminar playing some bizarre death-game power-trip?
did some God-complex guru command someone who was vulnerable to die, and they did it?
then the cover-up.
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AFGrant http://twitter.com/AFGrant/status/2847593306
Today with James Ray: wallets, phone, id taken and we put on old clothes to wander San Diego as homeless. I witnessed a suicide attempt :(
8:22 PM Jul 25th from web
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SD Reply:
October 17th, 2009 at 1:34 am
Great find … thanks a lot. So she was probably dressed in old crappy clothes … with zero identification. That would have made it extremely confusing for the authorities if they weren’t told she was attending the seminar of a whack job.
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Some people are beyond forgiveness, they offer the public an open invitation to hate them forevever.
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You are kidding right? A person with the name bragman involved with a person of great suspiscion, how ironic, or is it?
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After an extremely hurtful and deceitful experience with one of these so called teachers (who incidentally has absolutely no qualifications except the titles that he has given himself) that because of what he says and does he takes people to a place where they could easily do away with themselves. I now have no difficulty believing that it is possible that any one of the people who lost their lives were manipulated to that point. I also truly believe that it is possible that these so called teachers have become so deluded about their perceived place and power that they are oblivious to the emotional suffering and hurt that they cause people and their treatment should be total isolation from the public. I cannot comment on the James Ray incident as I dont even know the guy and have had nothing to do with any of his material however after my own experience I offer my utmost sympathy to those affected and have comfort in knowing that these people are being forced to justice over their own evil choices.
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Seen this yet? http://bit.ly/2CAM9S
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Ryan Healy Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Excellent article. Thanks for sharing it, Duff.
The “playing God” part blows me away. How delusional can James Ray possibly be?
Ryan
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Well, it’s time for my 2 cents—
Perhaps no one knows about Colleen’s past—I mean her PAST past…
I am hearing that she was a good person and had a positive outlook on life…
Colleen, like so many others probably attended this event to maintain and continue to grow and maintain a positive self image and or to share with the world her strengths as a human being and DOING.
Maybe Colleen was a lot like myself…
it is an ongoing thing to be a “survivor” of anything-
we buy books, CD’s, DVD’s, the secret, quantum physics- what the bleep, and all of the good stuff out there available for us to understand ourselves, life and to be of help and service to others.
Maybe like myself, Colleen had some prior events in her life that created somewhat of a mental illness- like D.I.D –some may not even believe that Dissociative Identity Disorder exists or is real.
Lets say it is-
lets just think for a moment that there could be THE possibility that Colleen was one of “us” who had been through some sort of trauma…and that she was easily hypnotized…
Dissociating comes naturally to many of us…maybe stripped of her identity and put in a position of little strength- homelessness games etc. caused her own mind to actually believe that at that present time —on that day —that her life WAS of despair, homelessness, of little strength…
Maybe a part of Colleen did have suicidal thoughts somewhere along the line…and she simply never spoke about it.
Many of us do have those thoughts…shame of them prevents us from talking about them and we are also very against suicide because we know that suicide isn’t the answer…and most do not act on it …
{although at times it might be the easier way to deal…than being strong, present, in the moment and aware} it is hard work and at times and it can be uncomfortable.
Perhaps Colleen found herself in that state of mind…and like the “Prozac” fiasco years ago…maybe the “Prozac” actually gave her the strength to actually do it?
{Prozac analogy for James Ray?}
Prozac was said to bring the depressed up enough to give the patient that little extra strength to actually act on the thoughts—no matter what they were…
who knows… but I am sure we will find out—
your thoughts?
Or a “part” of her had the strenghth to do it- because THAT PART couldn’t handle or deal with whatever was going on.
who knows? we do not know what goes on in the minds of others or where their thinking is coming from…we don’t even know about our own thoughts at times!!!
if Colleen was anything like myself the reality is that Colleen’s mind was manipulated…
Lack of sleep is the worst thing for people like us…lack of food and water on top of that in and of itself can have extremely negative effects on the mind and body.
Maybe she didn’t know who she was, as she wandered through the mall feeling homeless, helpless, no identity, those thoughts and feelings were intensified to a point of it “becoming your reality”
After all-thoughts become things? Maybe that is what through her over the edge…
which is equivalent of seeing your therapist, and he or she “takes you back” to the uncomfortable “place” to deal, or for whatever reasons they do this…
and the therapist doesn’t “bring you back to your present day reality” before you leave that office- chances are you could remain in that bad place until your next appointment — if you make it to the next appointment!
I don’t know- just thinking out loud here…and also trying to understand the situation, and James Ray’s role and responsibility in this…
one other thing-
I have this really weird thing that when I am somewhere high up…I have this weird almost scary but excited feeling of “I want to jump” and it has NOTHING to do with SUICIDE!
Just me, but I think it would be a cool sensation and experience…kinda like sky diving…and I get that feeling every time—while others around me might be afraid of heights I actually like it!
I have NO FEAR of heights and maybe Colleen didnt either…no one knows what was going on in her head and why she jumped…
but in my experience and if I had to make an educated guess I would say that something in her mind gave her the intense feeling of strength to jump…and that “something” was in the forefront of her mind… lack of sleep, food, water and mind manipulation made her jump.
so who is responsible?
it is something to consider.
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SD,
I like what you do. Keep up the good work, someone needs to take these hucksters to task. I’m not a particularly angry person usually, but this kind of stuff makes my blood boil. One of my desires, when I retire again, is to be able to help expose this asshole and other terrorists – I call them that because they use terror as a tactic – who prey on the weak and gullible and those who are intimidated by fighting back. I figure they wouldn’t appreciate me exercising my right to peaceful protest by posting myself on public property near their house to picket them.
Whaddaya think?
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It should be noted that Ray is an ex-Scientologist who has apparently taken a lot from this cult’s playbook and put his own name on it.
There have been a number of suicides within Scientology; dispairing people who simply broke under the pressure used to indoctrinate. No concern is given towards those who may be mentally or emotionally fragile. Ray calls it “pushing buttons.” Scientology calls it “finding your ruin.”
Either way, this kind of coercive, expensive indoctrination results in people feeling badly about themselves. You see, in the magical world of Scientology, anything good that happens is thanks to the cult. Anything bad happens, it’s your fault. They try to convince you that you are the cause of all your problems, and you need these courses.
Like Scientology, Ray charges ridiculous amounts for his brand of faux wisdom.
Like Scientology, Ray preys on the vulnerable, the naive, the innocent who lack the critical thinking skills necessary to spot him as a con artist. Kinda like Julie C. here, who doesn’t see anything wrong with being charged $9000 for some stupid New Age babble coupled with being stuffed into an airtight sauna. It’s all fun and games until somebody dies, isn’t it?
If the authorities fail to deal with this con man, the alternative is for us, the public, to spread the word. It’s worked wonderfully well with Scientology; they’re beginning to shrivel up due to the lack of new adherents. Once the word is spread, it takes on a life of its own.
I think Ray needs a little lovin’ from Scientology’s nemesis, Anonymous.
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the entire incident smells like a coverup.
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3rd person has died from the sweat lodge “incident” http://www.smh.com.au/world/third-person-dies-in-us-sweat-lodge-ceremony-case-20091018-h2ss.html
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James Ray should have dollar signs for eyes because that is all he saw.
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Ryan Healy Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Seems to me James Ray is more addicted to power than money itself; money is merely part of his quest for power.
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More than ONE person has died and there are people out there defending this delusional psychopath? WTF America. WTF.
If James Arthur Ray doesn’t get held accountable for his actions, then our government has failed us. Good thing Salty is stepping up.
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If SaltyDroid has enough skill and confidence to go after big boy stuff like James Ray, then I think the rest of you who are on this site should really be worried. Very worried. If I were you I’d get a one way ticket out of the country.
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James Ray appears to be an L Ron Hubbard wannabe.
We bemoan the rip off nature of the IM marketers who are adept at stringing along hapless rainbow chasers, but none of these guys hold a cande to the King Camaya maya of dream traps…Scientology.
What does it cost to achieve total freedom within Scientology–as you move up the hierarchy to ever growing awareness?
Eat your heart out, IMers…
//The current (conservative) total cost for the whole bridge to OT9 readiness is estimated at $365,000 – $380,000.//
Now THAT’S a tasty business!!
And, that’s just the cost of seminars, courses and “counselling.”
Then, there are the membership money machines offered by the well oiled Scientology machine…
Membership
There exist various categories of memberships within Scientology. Each category defines itself through the amount of money which was paid to the “International Association of Scientologists” (IAS), or the number of people who were signed up for the IAS.
These are the different categories:
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Bozo-
Scientology :: The Universe :: Salty :: has :: ONLY :: just begun!
{All of this other “Stuff” — was … JUST PRACTICE}
~right babe?
;- )
~Karin Hiebert
Very grateful for real friends-
for real people—
“Love you lots”
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reader Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Karin, asking respectfully, can you please use your own punctuation and writing style instead of Salty’s? As you’ve noticed in previous comments, it is confusing to readers here. It also diminishes Salty’s unique style. You wouldn’t want to do that to Salty, would you? Salty should be Salty and Karin should be Karin. Thanks!
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reader2 Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
And I respectfully second that request…makes it very confusing for those of us who have just decided to join the party as regular readers of the blog. We would very much appreciate it!
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Time (1991): “Scientology: The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power” by Richard Behar
By all appearances, Noah Lottick of Kingston, Pa., had been a normal, happy 24-year-old who was looking for his place in the sun. On the day last June when his parents drove to New York City to obtain his body, they were nearly catatonic with grief.
This young Russian-studies scholar had jumped from a 10th-floor window of the Milford Plaza Hotel and bounced off the hood of a stretch limousine. When the police arrived, his fingers were still clutching $171 in cash, virtually the only money he hadn’t turned over to the Church of Scientology, the self-help “philosophy” group he had discovered just seven months earlier. [...]
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franksgaycousintrey Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I have known two people in my life who got mixed up with Scientology. One was a close friend. Both committed suicide. I wish I wasn’t serious, but I am. That group, in my opinion, based on what I’ve seen and heard, really messes with a persons mind. If you decide that it just doesn’t have the answers you’re looking for, you end up feeling tremendously bad, based on being told that it’s the answer to everything…the implication of which, of course, is that if turns out NOT to be the solution to your problems, there must be something severely wrong with YOU (ie…you must be a hopeless loser).
James Ray’s organization may be whipping up the same feelings in its members. If you can’t live the life you want after embracing the teachings and way of life, you must be an exceptional loser. Beyond all hope.
These are dangerous DANGEROUS groups.
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I respectfully respect your wishes~ cause I’m just that kinda girl!!!
Tried to reply to the replies but comment section wasn’t letting me do that~
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_cartman_ Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Hi Karin,
Yeah, you can only reply “directly” to comments using internet explorer. Firefox allows general responses only.
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I appreciate ya’ll bringin’ the wrath of Xenu down upon me.
I arm my Tom Cruise Missiles.
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franksgaycousintrey Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Xenu, eh? Good one. Sweet mother of Christ…these scientologists are crazier than shithouse rats–
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
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_cartman_ Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 12:08 am
South park is a great teaching aid. That’s how I found out that John Travolta/Tom Cruise are scientologists. I learned about the volcano sacrifices. All the episodes have been pulled I’m surprised this is still up….unfortunately it has some cruise talking mixed in the video…so sad.
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AF Grant has posted a response on his blog.
http://www.afgrant.com/2009/08/creating-absolute-wealth.shtml
he says he searched the internet for info on the suicide when he got home.
but if anyone searches Google for something logical like
— San Diego suicide horton plaza
all of the links come up right away
she was identified July 27 in the paper.
by July 28, 7:50 AM , someone named Jamie has brought up the James Ray seminar. http://www.examiner.com/x-833-San-Diego-News-Examiner~y2009m7d27-UPDATE-Possible-suicide-victim-identified
if the James Ray seminar had her ID and phone, how did they give it back to the family or the police? What happened to her personal belongings?
its seems clear that the police on the scene were not told she was with the James Ray seminar when she died.
what is going to happen?
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This is a whole lot bigger than a Perry Belcher… and quite frightening.
I just commented on A F Grant’s blog, asking him how he can say one minute that you make friends fast at these seminars, and then in the next say he had no idea the woman who fell was in the same seminar as him.
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[...] Who killed Colleen Conaway? Question not answered :: But it is in the NY Post {link}. The Post reports that Colleen’s body was found without identification {like the sweat lodge victims} :: and that [...]
JAMES RAY SWEATBOX TRAGEDY — GET RICH OR DIE FRYING
by Charles Carreon
10/20/09
http://www.naderlibrary.com/AZ.jamesarthurray.htm
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Hello,
First I want to say I have no clue who SD is and how you found out about Colleen Conaway. I am interested in how you found out about her? She is my husbands aunt. I want to address some of the comments that have been left and have decided to do it all at once instead of trying to quote ever thing.
On behalf of the family we want to say thank you for the kind thoughts and prayers.
This was a horrible tragedy for our family, we had no clue what these seminars were about until we started going through her things. As far as we are concerened in light of what we have been finding out in the last few months we feel that this hole James Ray thing is pretty much to blame. Until then Colleen was against suicide, she was happy, genourouse, loving and kind person.
Unfortunatly there will never be answers to all of our questions and if anyone has experienced this kind of tragedy you understand what I mean.
As far as the San Diego police all was done that could be done on that end. The lady that was in charge of the small group of people did indeed have Colleen’s idenification and purse. The police did talk to her. I will not go into all the details as of right now we are not sure were her case will go. We our having it all looked into and I can’t comment any farther on that.
If you have anyone who is a friend or family involved in this I implore you to ask questions before its too late like it was for us.
On behalf of C0lleen’s Family
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[...] Plaza Mall on July 25, 2009 while attending a James Arthur Ray event in San Diego. As I’ve previously reported … this event was not previously reported. Colleen’s death was treated as a suicide by [...]
[...] is an interesting blog. Did Colleen Conaway really throw herself to her own [...]
Just wanted to leave a quick note from someone who actually attended this particular seminar (albeit not at the same time as Colleen) to dispell some of the speculations. The entire seminar is designed to examine your attitude to money, most people have some issues that they want to overcome in that regard. The exercise in which Colleen passed away in is about two hours long. No sleep nor food deprivation is involved. No brain washing. After hiking around dwontown sd for two hours there was a gathering where people discussed their experiences/emotions during the event. For me personally it was a very powerful learning experience that taught me a lot about myself. Some people at the event talked about experiencing great fear, despair and anger. Nothing in my laymen opinion that would make a mentally healthy person throw themselves off a third story balcony in a plaza. If you have any sincere q’s about the event feel free to ask.
Suicide is not so cut and dry. I have personally experienced the shock of having someone close ending their life with no forewarning. And one does feel really guilty and powerless about not having noticed that things were not right, because if you had maybe the outcome would have been different?
James Ray may be arrogant and gready, but there is no way anything alone in that seminar made her jump. Sometimes things are what they are. Not everything can be blamed on someone.
Peace.
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SD Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
@BA :: James Ray didn’t push Colleen over that ledge with his bare evil hands … that much is true. She stepped over and that makes this situation slightly more complicated than the sweat lodge cases. However, he was responsible for playing fast and loose with people’s core emotions. Intentionally pushing their most sensitive buttons while emptying their wallets. A piece of shit salesman with the spiritual and mental aptitude of a turnip is not qualified to lead people into such vulnerable states.
She died on his watch :: under his influence {attained via aggression} :: and then he covered it up and walked away. Disagree with his culpability regarding her actual death if you want :: But for the cover-up and his actions/non-actions towards Colleen’s family … and towards her memory … there can be absolutely no excuse.
Not everything can be blamed on the devils :: but everything that can be .. should be.
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Myrra Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 10:19 am
I agree with you SD, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that Colleen stepped over that ledge. Only one person claims that she stepped over (rather than faint, or stumble confusedly, or get bumped from an over enthusiastic fellow attendee, or any other unfortunate accident). That person is a slightly suspicious witness – he worships James Ray, and conveinently for the police report, didnt’ realize that Colleen was a fellow Ray follower. If Colleen stepped over, it is because James Ray (i) is an idiot, has no idea what he is doing, and negligently drives people crazy, or (ii) is a psycho freak who thinks he is God and loves pushing people to the edge, consequences be damned. Either way he needs to go down. But Colleen deserves to have the truth out there, regardless of what a great time everyone else was having while she died – what really happened? With James Ray and his creepoid staffers Megan and Michelle covering up the truth, Colleen, and her family, is being denied justice.
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the comment above by BA about the seminar is very dishonest.
sleep deprivation is used constantly at that seminar, as shown by the comments of many others who attended it, like that dude who saw the suicide.
there is no hiking around town.
even the guy who saw Colleen die said the seminar was extremely intense and very hard to stand, even for a tough guy who is a fan of death metal music.
James Ray has hired a new expensive PR agency, and they are going to try and control the message, even on blogs.
there is no way BA is going to tell the truth about the Ray seminar.
of course the JRay seminar contributed to her death, and everything around it.
and by the way, the JRay seminar is not about attitudes to money, and the thing is full of brainwashing from top to bottom.
you literally can’t believe a word that comes from anyone associated or defending JRay. a real bunch of selfish horrible people.
even when people die at their seminar, they don’t give a shit.
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Since most of the people commenting here have not personally experienced a James Ray event, I would like to share the following: I have attended three James Ray seminars including Creating Absolute Wealth. Coming up with $8000 to pay for the events was a huge challenge… and worth every penny. James Ray has invested enormous personal energy studying the great philosophers of history. The majority of the time spent in his seminars is lecture style; we take notes while James teaches the principals developed by widely known and respected thinkers like Aristotle, Jesus, Einstein, Napoleon Hill, Gandhi, and many more. He frequently shares examples from his own life and periodically breaks us out into groups with exercises to further explore how the ideas apply to us individually. It was an amazing opportunity to be exposed to thousands of years of wisdom in a matter of days. My quality of life, my mental and physical well being as well as my personal and professional relationships continue to improve as I continue to study and apply the universal principles that were introduced to me by James Ray.
I participated in the ”homeless in San Diego” exercise and it really was humiliating to walk around in grubby clothes and be stared at. I wanted to hide. Even worse to hear a mother tell her child to look the other way. It was humiliating to ask for money or food and be rejected. I saw other students give up trying and wait out the afternoon sitting in the park. I slowly reminded myself that I was kind, educated, and capable. With each attempt my inner confidence grew and the people I approached responded with more warmth. I started with nothing and by the end of the afternoon I had eaten a big plate of tacos, had ice cream on the beach, bought some postcards, met some amazing people, and had enough money in my pocket to take a taxi back to the bus that waited for us. I learned that being resourceful is more valuable than having resources. Since then I have much less fear in approaching clients or asking otherwise intimidating people for advice.
While on a business trip in Costa Rica this past July, I had a random invitation to participate in a sweat lodge. A Chilean traveler and his Brazilian girlfriend had studied at depth the traditions of the Lakota Indians and had just spent two days erecting the domed structure for 22 of us to cram into. Everyone going in understood that it would be difficult, yet all committed to the test as a personal challenge, driven by the same inner curiosity that impels one to play sports, get a college degree, or excel in their careers. The lack of space, the lack of fresh air, and the HEAT were extremely uncomfortable. The girl next to me squirmed away from the hot coals and tugged at the edge of the structure, my friend vomited twice, and an older women cried to be let out, but the leader strictly enforced the ancient traditions that forbade the door to be opened. Worsening my physical discomfort were some personal failures at work that had been eating at me all week. The feeling of resentment got more irritating with the increasing heat. After three and a half hours I finally let go and forgave myself. I felt peace and an open heart. I had a blast for the rest of my time in Costa Rica and came home anxious to work again.
The things James does in his seminars may sound bizarre when taken out of context, but many don’t realize that most of these exercises were not invented by him. They have been performed by people around the world for generations as tools to help eager learners grow. I am heavy hearted from the accidents in San Diego and Sedona. I am finally getting in touch with grieving acquaintances of mine that were in the Sedona sweat lodge. They, like James, were severely impacted by the tragedy and needed time alone to grasp their emotions. I have no doubt in my mind that everybody involved, whether it be James, the participants, or the victims, had nothing but the best of intentions. James Ray has had a positive impact on hundreds of thousands of lives and I trust that he and his contemporaries will find the courage and support to continue their work.
Thanks for letting me share,
Micah
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SD Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 2:04 am
Micah :: You are wrong.
So wrong are you that you sound like a propagandist rather than a person. If you are person :: then I welcome and pity your current delusional foolishness :: If you are a propagandist then you have come to the wrong fucking place.
The things James does are much worse in context. The wider context here Micah is a pattern of abusive manipulation intended to part people with their money. James is a just a tele-marketer with a spray on tan and a thumb ring. He doesn’t have the intelligence to comprehend the great minds … no less teach them.
This post is about James Arthur Ray walking away from the dead body of a loyal supporter {like you!} :: A trick he has repeated this month.
Wake up! The lake you’ve been drinking from is tainted with the blood of the innocent.
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Myrra Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Dude, wait – let me get this straight… you “pretended” to be homeless, “conned” innocent people out of their money by playing off their sympathies and good hearts so you could go fill up on tacos, ice cream, and take a taxi so you wouldn’t have to exert yourself (all the while ignoring the actual homeless people going hungry and using their legs for mobility)? Why the fuck are you giving your money to James Ray? Sounds like you are ready to go forth and rape the naive innocent masses of their hard earned cash on your own. Congrats on your spiritual growth, you empty floundering soul.
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froylein Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Micah, has he also taught you the most important line of modern philosophy?
Sapere aude.
I suppose not.
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Micah is too polished.
Not buying that shit.
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didn’t he recently hire a new expensive public relations agancy to try and clean up the mess?
they encourage followers and volunteers and employees to go around an make a bunch of public relations posts to make him look not so bad.
the don’t like the congame get exposed.
and maybe the man himself is making a few posts himself, as he has so much time on his hands.
the amount of lies put out by these companies are sickening.
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Wow, this is a salty blog. The words written here are all we have to know each other by. Perhaps one day we will be able to instantly download life bios on fellow bloggers so that our first impressions of each other are more informed.
Had I used more words in my last post about homeless in San Diego I would have explained that the “amazing people” I met were the homeless people. I got 75 cents from asking people for help and they made me feel like dirt. Two sandwich shops snarled when I asked for work. Finally a taco shop let me help clean and I left with more tacos than I could eat and a $20 bill. While sharing the tacos with a guy named Bruce who had been sleeping in the streets for 20 years I realized that he did it for the freedom. Like Siddhartha by the river, Bruce had everything he needed, even joy in his heart. The next six homeless people I spoke with had great advice on where to find food and shelter and two of them offered ME money. Such camaraderie was not what I expected. I agree that the idea of pretending to be homeless sounds like criminal mockery… but no other experience could have planted in me this authentic sense of compassion and respect for the homeless. Not to mention how it has helped me be more resourceful in finding work in this new economy.
Given my experiences, I am confused by the accusations that James Ray maliciously led these people to death and then casually walked away. It could not be more tragic that people have died and clearly they would not have been in that situation if it were not for James. As I think about my teachers from highschool and college, there were three that really had a positive lasting impact on me, and they were the ones that nobody liked. Some parents would even complain that they pushed us too hard. James is being called a lot of things, and some of them I even agree with, but I believe that his intentions inside the sweat lodge were to push his students to grow. That is why they were there. Pushing beyond the comfort zone is what good teachers do.
This might be my first personal experience with a controversial news story and it is interesting how quickly public opinion passes judgment with little more info than a couple of emotionally loaded catch phrases. The very first news story I read about Sedona suggested accusations of homicide. No investigations had even taken place. Words like that jump off the page and define a first impression so that suspicion urges us to follow the story. The media is power.
Fortunately the media can be an effective tool to destroy something evil. Though just as easily an enemy can use the media to destroy something good.
Micah
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froylein Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 2:01 am
Micah, we can tell a lot obout a person’s character going by their actions and words, and neither cast a favourable light on James A. Ray. We can also tell a lot about a person’s character by those people they deliberately associate themselves with, so inevitably, this casts a negative light on you.
The very fact that the JAR team admittedly would call Colleen’s mobile phone to find out about her whereabouts while they well knew that that phone was with them should tell you two things about those seminars: either the instructors are too stupid, as my great-grandmother would have put it, to crap a hole into the snow or they were trying to cover up their involvement in having put Colleen in that situation.
BTW, if you’re interested in real philosophy 101, I suggest you enrol at your local community college. There you’ll get instructions from more qualified tutors at more reasonable prices.
And if you want to feel camraderie and good about something you do, I suggest you start volunteering. Homeless shelters, animal shelters, environmental groups, etc. all welcome volunteers.
Also, if you have kids or nephews and nieces, I suggest that the money you save by not attending those seminars should go towards a college fund for them so that some day, they won’t feel themselves put in a situation so desperate that they might fall for shady pseudo-gurus with no obvious qualifications selling them pseudo-knowledge at ridiculous prices.
Sapere aude.
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Froylein – You have managed to make Salty’s blog educational. I had to look up the phrase you mention, sapere aude, and learn what it means. I sometimes wish I had a Liberal Arts major – the stuff we learn in engineering is a little more cut and dried. Thanks for helping me expand my gray matter.
As for you, Micah, back up and read what you have actually written. Seriously? You haven’t just drank the kool-aide, you are mixing it and selling it too. Take this one phrase from your first post “universal principles”. If they are universal, then why did you need to pay a hustledork like JAR to teach them to you. Open a damned book and learn them yourself. What you are doing, as an apologist who continues to call the deaths JAR caused an “accident”, is to give him the encouragement to do it again, and again. By the way, where were you on the night Colleen died? Were you partying too?
Even your opening sentence screams your indoctrination “Since most of the people commenting here have not personally experienced a James Ray event… ” implies that we are somehow lesser beings and can’t possibly recognize the wonder and splendor of your master. You make me want to puke. As rationale people, we can clearly recognize a manipulator and a charlatan. We can even do so without giving him our hard-earned cash.
One last comment – good teachers may push you to to – and beyond – your limits, but at the same time, they do so with your best interest in mind, not their wallet. Death Ray is not a teacher – he is an exploiter of the gullible.
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Great comments from froylein and Dave. Spot on.
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Where is James Ray’s wife or girlfriend in all this? Reason I ask is because.. uhm I saw a picture on that site of him when he was younger that looked a little strange
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Just wanted to pop in and tell you again that you’re doing a fine job, Droid.
And in honor of Sweatgate, I have added two verses to my (still tuneless) show tune. (They appear just before the last verse.)
http://tinyurl.com/ra8l59
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sweet pea Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Connie, I just checked out your blog – love it! You’re covering Joe and Pat, OMG. Since you have no music behind your lyrics, I’m sure those two guitar/harmonica playing hucksters would love the gig - but they’re awful!
Checked out your music page…since you’re in TX and like Lyle…I say get him to help you out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zla95m6_Rr4
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ATTENTION ::
There will be a story about Colleen Conaway :: and James Ray International :: tomorrow night on Anderson Cooper 360.
Good news for justice. Please pass it on.
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[...] the San Diego Police Department to seriously consider re-opening the investigation to the death of Colleen Conaway, who committed suicide in the San Diego Plaza shopping mall on July 25 [...]
HELLO JULIA,HOW ARE YOU DOING?PLEASE IF YOU KNOW HOW I CAN CONTACT THE FAMILY OF COLLEEN MARIAN CONAWAY OR THE FAMILY OF JAMES AUTHUR RAY PLEASE CONTACT ME WITH EMAIL ADDRESSES I’M AN (FBI AGENT) AND ALSO A FRIEND OF JAMES AUTHUR RAY,I HAVE AN INFORMATION AND SECRET TO TELL THEM,PLEASE IS URGENT.
MRS.SANDRA OPARA.
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208-577-6210 Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Sandra Opara…I know you…what have you done with my Nigerian lotto winnings?!
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