Messages for the Dead
Colleen Conaway was bussed to the Horton Plaza Mall by the staff of James Ray International. She never left that mall … but the staff of James Ray International did leave. They went back to the hotel as if nothing had happened :: leaving her on the floor :: unidentified.
That night they threw a fancy party :: they laughed it up :: danced their spoiled little asses off :: and continued to SELL SELL SELL.
The voice messages in the video above were left on Colleen’s cell phone during that party. They knew she didn’t have her phone … but they called her anyway.
These are the ONLY calls that Colleen’s family ever “received” from James Ray International.
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I am speechless. Completely without words.
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Disturbing. And unconscionable. Definitely “cover your tracks” calls. For those new to Droid’s coverage of this killing, you should know that they KNEW she didn’t have her phone because they in fact had it with them (see “Long Trips to the Mall”), and they dropped it at the coroner’s office later.
Great work uncovering and posting these messages. I wonder when San Diego is going to open an investigation?
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wow.
Seriously. The SaltyDroid.info is blowing this thing wide open.
Utter insanity those two messages. They knew she did not have her phone.
Have they arrested this nut bag yet?
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I am so glad they made this horrifis blunder in covering their tracks. I hope it means that Colleens family can achieve justice. I know it means that any with the capacity to think critically who reads this story will know whose feeling guilty.
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someone knew what happened and then told a couple of ray’s death angels to leave a message for cover.
what were the first names of those ray death angels?
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Looks like Ray is getting rid of assets
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laland/2009/11/selfhelp-guru-james-arthur-ray-lists-beverly-hills-house.html
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Yes, yes, Salty. James is a grade a fuck stain douche bag who is in the dangerous league of cultist wannabe. Yes yes…terrible thing he’s done.
But really, though, that’s not what attracted (attracts) people to this site. It’s your shining a light on the much more prevalent and pervasive world of internet marketing scam artists.
All you have to do is look at the comments after your posts. This James thing is played. It gets a fraction of the reader interest (as measured by comments) that posts nailing IMers gets.
I pointed out in the comments section of your last post how news has broke that one of the biggest gurus is throwing in the towel. I asked you to comment on it. You blew it by instead apparently asking the family of Coleens to provide you with the personal recordings of her voice mail. Well, another blogger scooped you in providing the very interesting details of why Filsaime is running away (and why others will no doubt be following)…
//Within a few days, my pal Frank Kern announced on his blog (bottom) that he would no longer be using big income stories. And Mike Filsaime, one of the most active Internet marketers of all, announced around then (on Twitter) that he was becoming a software developer. Yesterday, Mr. Filsaime confirmed that “I am excited to close out 2009. Time for me to pass the GURU baton on to others.” (A “tweet” on Twitter 11_2_09)
The buyers just have no way of knowing just how atypical those big numbers are.
On December 1, 2009, that will change. Big income claims will no longer be allowed. Not without admitting to the audience what typical results were. (Same for weight loss, etc. see below.) From the FTC site:
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canyouexplainthisplease Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
GayTrey, I’ve noticed the same thing here re what precipitates comments after a post – especially the dumbed down (as most are), not funny, posts like this one – although it emphasizes a critical detail. However, seems to me that the author has made it pretty obvious that he doesn’t care about his readers or their opinions, so it’s not surprising.
F’me Filsaime is just following his guru crowd w/ his announcement, as IM sheep do. He has a very large list so I’m sure it’ll be put to use with back door offers and he’ll be back before you know it.
What really surprises me is that nobody has mentioned the series of TechCrunch scam exposing articles on the virtual goods/cpa industry that’s turned more that a few heads up to vc level.
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Clark Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 12:47 am
You mean like this article:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/01/how-to-spam-facebook-like-a-pro-an-insiders-confession/
An interesting read.
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canyouexplainthisplease Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
That’s just one in the series. Start here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/26/social-games-how-the-big-three-make-millions/ and then go to: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/31/scamville-the-social-gaming-ecosystem-of-hell/ and read the other posts it links to at the bottom of article.
This has been the chatter in the off line world this week. Not a fan of blowhard Arrington or reader of his blog, but I have to commend him for blowing this open and taking out OfferPal CEO. Too many guys seek/close the next round of funding, find themselves out on the street because they’ve resisted these types of unethical business models and can’t compete. And the bottom feeders running cpa offers fail to understand why they don’t have a chance when they’re up against social gaming start ups employing these unethical business models.
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froylein Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 9:01 am
First I wasn’t sure how to put it as GayTrey’s comment left me speechless…
As Salty explained in his follow-up post, this blog is not about IM.
I’d like to add, it’s Salty’s blog, so it’s Salty’s content. He doesn’t cater to any specific market, he doesn’t ask for donations or for people to click on sponsor links – you may have noticed that he doesn’t even have sponsors.
Certainly, the IM posts have drawn / inspired lots of comments and there undeniably is a focus on IM scammers on this site, but, for heaven’s sake, this post is about a woman who lost her life while attending a seminar by an alleged guru. Even if you lack the compassion to express thoughts of support and solace for her family and friends and even if you’re not particularly interested in the case, you should at least possess the human decency, tact, manners and parental education to remain quiet until a post comes up that you feel up to commenting on.
It’s not all about money. It’s mostly about people.
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Here is the link from the blog I quote from above…
http://kimklaverblogs.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-ftc-regs-claim-mr-filsaimes-im-guru.html
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Here is Frank Kern’s take on the crushing FTC fist…
http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/?p=59
This not only puts the kibosh on outright testimonials, it puts the hammer down on the Joe Karbo, “I started with nothing and within a year had all my debts paid off and was making more in my autopilot business than I ever did in my dead end job” stories. Doesn’t matter if the stories were true…they were grossly atypical, and won’t be allowed anymore.
So, almost every greasy “make money” sales letter on the net today will have to be pulled and re-worked. Pretty amazing, as the universal sales letter format will now be effectively banned.
What huge news. That “I went from nothing to riches” format was used by almost everyone hawking the get rich dream ever since Karbo first unleashed it over 35 years ago. The party is over for an awful lot of people (this also extends to the other sleaze industry…”How I got ripped in 4 weeks” fat loss industry. Those sleaze merchants will also have to change their formula.
Conceivably, so will the “I went from Johnny ‘Fuckoffanddie’ to the king of all studs who never gets any sleep because I’m always banging uber hot models” dating advice merchants.
According to Kern, it will be especially harsh to the bullshit fake blogs sweeping the net right now. The fake shit Kilstein has taken to exposing (as detailed by salty).
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OMG this whole thing just gets worse. How can any of the other contributors to the secret dare to speak when such things have happened. Money Money Money makes them hungry for the rich mans world.
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@GayTrey :: I’m glad you care so much but keep your pants on. I saw the thing with Filasaime … believe me. I have an epic plan … and it rolls along. The current situation is just bringing more people into the army of reasonableness. Someday when it becomes more clear what I’m up to … you’ll feel bad about what you just said. But I forgive you already.
Regarding the FTC :: I don’t understand why everyone thinks these new regs are such a big deal.
NEWSFLASH :: The testimonials have ALL been fake this whole time. Everything about them is fake. Rules matter to rule followers … not rule breakers.
Belcher was making $1 per Twitter follower per month?
Finger Healing and mind tennis are a 7 figure internet business?
The fat dudes standing next to Ferraris in the Jeff Paul infomercial really had 6 figure months?
NO! Duh. All lies … all in violation of the current regs. It’s not about the rules … it’s about the commitment to enforce them. Changing the rules doesn’t suck money from your departments budget … but actually enforcing the rules would require a massive commitment of resources. I’ll believe that when I see it.
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100% about the PEOPLE! Always! Thank You Froylein…
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Is this 4real?
Did Michelle Goulet, the Special Engagements Coordinator at James Ray International, http://twitter.com/michg1980
have a twitter site called InnerDemom, was it deleted? http://twitter.com/RayShouldPay
http://twitter.com/MichelleGoulets_InnerDemon
MichelleGoulets_InnerDemon “we hope that you are okay … and um … we’d love to hear from you”
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SD Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Not 4real.
RayShouldPay is me :: “RT MichelleGoulets_InnerDemon” is just a little twitter gallows humor.
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Ok, so what’s up with both Megan Frederickson’s and Michelle Goulet’s twitter pictures? Do they put dancing pictures up so we are in awe of the fun times they have hanging out with Death Ray?
Is there such a thing as multiple-narcissist-dancing fool syndrome?
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those pics are manic, as ray wants to push his people into manic delusions where they will do anything he tells them to.
ray surrounds himself with young women who will do anything for him.
rays angels, just like charlies angels, they follow orders from the man.
rays angels lead the crowd into crowd hysteria.
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SD Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Dave & Mania
In fact I think it’s even more horrible than your suggestions. Unless they always wear the same dresses and jewelry … BOTH of their dancing Twitter pics come from none other than the evening of July 25th, 2009.
How’s that for creepy?
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It’s also her Facebook profile pic ::
http://www.facebook.com/megan.fredrickson
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Creepy indeed! Or something else entirely. Why the hell would they want to represent themselves with mementos from the night they left someone for dead? I have read about killers keeping something from a crime scene. I’m just sayin’…
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[...] death. Michelle Goulet {seen here smiling and line dancing} left the party for a moment to call Colleen’s phone and pretend to look for [...]
either they are so broke from giving all their money to ray that they only have one dress,
or maybe j-ray ordered them to use those pics, as whatever really happened that day is going to keep them locked into j-ray for life.
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good observation
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These people who use all sorts of forms of social compliance to get large amount of sums from people who have given in to their greed should be stopped. There is nothing wrong with training (I have worked in training for 8 years) but it goes to a point where it crosses the line.
Has anyone been to a rich dad poor dad seminar? It’s social compliance at its most sleazy. They get the people in the “free” seminar to call their credit card and mortgage companies to increase their line of credit before they disclose any pitches. They then go around the room asking each person how much money they just got increased by and aplaud them.
The upshot of it is at the end of the free seminar they pitch you for some ridiculously priced life coaching ranging fron £4-30k. The people who are attracted to this sort of event do not have this sort of money, hence the credit increasing part of the pitch.
I am sure if you looked into the lives of the people behind these and other over priced coaching programs you will see many sad stories. I have managed to keep my morals and ethics even though I work within the industry. Maybe I don’t make a lot of money, but its honest money,
Makes me feel sick that this snake oil salesman is responsible for the deaths of his marks. Definately sounds like there is some brainwashing going on somewhere. And after they knew she was dead they went for a party? Something is not right there, they at least need to be cross examined.
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Ahhhhhh, What the Heck! Since we’re bringing up other MENTOR type folks-it might be time to bring up an experience I had with another Secret Star.
Mr. Bob Doyle is another big time full of himself, DICTATING jerk -off who ENJOYED intimidating and controlling me over at myspace a while back. (Hi Bobbie!)
We had interesting “communication” in direct messages where he told me that if I didn’t change my profile pic I had at the time that he would not accept my friend request!
(of course I changed it for him-I wanted to be ACCEPTED!)
There was an interesting unfolding of our “relationship” in an episode on a Blog Talk Radio Show that a friend of mine was hosting where he was the guest…
After that episode and my offering Bob Doyle a challenge he became a little “hostile” with me, and had made a lot of “assumptions” for which I am sure he regrets to this day.
Damn, Bob…it could have been so good!
But, Bobbie boy chose to make ridiculous comments TO ME…of which I am sure he WISHES he never said.
Isn’t that right Mr. Bob Doyle? (I know he is reading this along with the other Secret Stars!)
I won’t disclose what he said to me back then…just yet…and not here…
or maybe here is a great place…
I have felt a strong desire to enlighten (and warn) people about this man’s tactics for quite some time- actually since day one of our “communication”
But I had not because…WELL…Who would listen to little me when all eyes and ears evolved around supporting the secret stars… I would have only come off as “negative” and un-secret like.
Yup…blogs etc. are about offering value TO and for others…good content that people can benefit from—boy do I have valuable, useful information to share with others…
INSIGHTFUL “enlightenment”…
Stay tuned-could be exposed on my blog or here-it has been something that has been gnawing at me for some time (since the occurrence)…and I DO feel safe sharing it NOW…
My BFF Salty Jason Droid doesn’t even know about THIS “relationship gone bad” -YET…
(Might be time for a chit chat My Sweets…it’s been a while…talk soon!)
Hugs!
: )
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Those phone messages on Colleen’s phone add a whole new dimension to this story. It’s one thing to know they called and left messages; it’s another to actually hear them.
Ryan
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yes Karin we would like to know more about Bob Doyle. I have a hard time finding Bob Doyle nothing but good because he was real nice in the secret. What on earth could this be?
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This james ray thing is weird, real weird. This is a very bizarre web of something. Not your everyday average garden variety cult
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Bozo…why did I know that it would be you who would be the first to ask about Mr. Nice Guy Bob?
lol…I guess I am starting to get to know the commentators here too!
I will share this lovely experience soon enough…we don’t want to take the focus off of Mr. James Ray just yet, do we?
After all, it’s not like Bob killed anyone…he just hurt my feelings : (
annnnnnnd, was oh so WRONG about me…
Besides my BFF and bestest lawyer gets to hear about it first…
I always consult with my brilliant internet lawyer friends first on topics like these…as well as needing to consider if I am in the mood for some major ass kissing from a creep like Bob.
Damn its hard not to use :: <—- in my conversations…they make for such great pauses…
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Can’t wait , Karin. Just love how one revelation leads to another.
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[...] stories weren’t as good as mine {of course!} :: how could you not include the recordings of Michelle Goulet calling Colleen’s cell phone? It’s like the creepiest thing ever [...]
[...] Colleen’s phone contained several messages from frantic sounding James Ray Staff inquiring about Colleen’s location. This fact strikes The Droid as very sinister. They KNOW good and god damn well that Colleen doesn’t have her phone with her :: So who pray tell are they calling? It’s sounds like the most direct evidence of a cover-up so far revealed. Fortunately for Justice :: Lynn still has those messages. [...]
[...] pm :: Michelle Goulet calls Colleen’s phone {which JRI has} and leaves a message pretending to look for Colleen. Fifteen minutes later at [...]
[...] In the process Ellerby reveals his ignorance of the subjects he criticises. But more on that later. He also chooses to completely ignore the death of Colleen Conaway during the previous Ray seminar. Ray and his team abandoned Ms Conaway’s body and blatantly covered up their involvement in her death. [...]
[...] member Greg Hartle witnessed Ms Conaway’s death, at 8.15 pm, JRI employee Michele Goulet called the cell phone which they themselves had collected from Ms Conaway, and left a message saying they were worried about her and would she urgently call them back. Did [...]
[...] reached out as “soon as he could” :: you know how hard it can be to find a phone these days. It was just dead people after all :: not something serious like credit card charge [...]
[...] Salty Droid’s sickening exposé of these despicable [...]
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