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James Ray Trial Trucs :: April 22nd

Author == 23 April 2011 56 Comments

Michael Hamilton :: owner of the Angel Valley Fake Results Exploitation Retreat Center LLC :: and proud member of the gnome family :: spent Friday wearing a tie and being crossed by Truc Do {Munger Tolles & Olson} :: ninja of boring.

Angel Valley has hosted James Arthur Ray’s increasingly dangerous :: and obviously horrible :: Spiritual Warrior event every year since 2003. It’s a miracle that people didn’t die sooner.  That they didn’t surely had NOTHING to do with Gnome Hamilton {2.0} … who charges people big money to watch him pretend like he’s something other than a dirty little money whore.

It’s his land. It was his lodge. It was his fault. Says the defense to the jury :: me thought :: but no.

Such a good argument :: because it was his fault. Not all his fault {of course} :: and not his criminal fault. But Michael Hamilton and his imaginary Angels were at fault. Enabling the devil’s greeds to service your own greeds is faulty.

The defense team spent entire days trying to destroy the credibility and characters of Ms. Martin and Dr. Bunn :: both of whose actions were near impeccable. So the bankrupt :: corrupt :: posing little asshole Michael Hamilton was sure to get his …

… but no.


 

– Defense tries narrating hearsay criticisms of the sweat lodge as questions about Mr. Hamiltons “reaction” to that criticism. Sidebar. #


 

– Mr. Hamilton said he didn’t really watch much media early on … #JamesRay #


 

– Questions about the business structurings of Angel Valley. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do elicits an answer she doesn’t like :: and then registers her hearsay objection with Mr. Hamilton {I’m sure he cared} #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do lists off all the things Angel Valley did :: Hamilton says, “All under the direction of JRI … from the syntax.” #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do :: “I’m a little bit confused” #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do compares Mr. Hamiltons “intensives” to the #JamesRay journeys. #


 

– $1300 or $5000 to for Mr. Hamilton’s intensive services. #JamesRay #


 

– This one lady let a kid play in the street 44 years ago & then she connected with the dead at Angel Valley and now it’s all good. #JamesRay #


 

– Crystal Skulls :: like from Indiana Jones movie {not a joke} :: you get magic messages from them … for monies. #JamesRay #


 

– Doh tries to introduce the Terms and Conditions for group retreats at Angel Valley. Ms Polk objects like she’s not seen it before. Sidebar. #


 

– Hamilton says the Terms and Conditions didn’t apply to the #JamesRay contract. #


 

– Ms. Do’s attempt to build foundation for entering the Terms and Conditions into evidence failed. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do isn’t a vegetarian so the only vegetable she can think of is “vegetarian casserole” … #JamesRay #


 

– Angel Valley has charged for sweat lodges :: and adverts them for “up to 75 people” … #JamesRay #


 

– The Angel Valley v. JRI lawsuit is given to Mr. Hamilton by an urban-camo-ninja #JamesRay #


 

– Q: You have a no refund policy? A: Not not really. {more of no refund philosophy} #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do still wants to introduce the Terms and Conditions :: Judge says not enough foundation and she already made her points. Recess. #


 

– Mr. Hamilton’s biz practices can be attacked in ways that #JamesRay can’t be attacked because his liberty isn’t in jeopardy. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do admits a bunch of signed Angel Valley waivers for SW09 participants. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do asks about Hamilton’s letter to participants asking them to trade legal rights for a lame ceremony. #JamesRay #


 

– Q: Did you write this? A: Yes … but — #JamesRay #


 

– The letter was just about having a “heart to heart” :: it wasn’t about monies …. Mr. Hamilton only understands philosophy. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Hamilton clarifies that the In & Out burger sweat lodge was 2006 not 2007 … alright then. #JamesRay #


 

– No need to learn the names of the injuns … not part of Mr. Hamiltons philosophies. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do illustrates for the jury that Mr. Hamilton did not take due care pertaining the buildings and activities on his property. #JamesRay #


 

– Wood. It was old. Too old? Decide for yourself. #JamesRay #


– After October all the wood was sold off as fire wood. Destroying all the evidence :: except for the parts in evidence. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do isn’t implying that the wrong wood was burned … she justs wants to talk about it for an hour or so. #JamesRay #


 

– Q: Did you train Ted Mercer how to recognize pressure treated wood? A: Yes. #JamesRay Lunch recess. #


 

– We’re back … still wood. #JamesRay #


– The sweat lodge was sampled for evidence {in four places} and then destroyed. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Hamilton was going to “use a chainsaw” on the sweat lodge because he was really mad for a short guy. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do spends an hour implying that Mr. Hamilton destroyed evidence after the police said he could destroy the evidence. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Hamilton can’t tell if a transcript is himself or his wife … his angel must be huffing paint. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Hamilton didn’t want to talk to Det. Diskin until he talked to his lawyer. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Hamilton asked Det. Diskin about the autopsy results :: Ms. Do plays the audio to prove it. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do obsessed with questions about Mr. Hamilton telling detectives to talk to Fawn Foster. Went nowhere … and she moved on. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Hamilton says the JRI suit is his first lawsuit. #JamesRay #


 

– Hamiltons claiming debts of $6.5 million predating the death lodge. #JamesRay #


 

– Truc proving that Det. Diskin wasn’t very interested in the wood or the o-phosphates until the insane defense team started yammering bout it #


 

– I thought Ms. Do was going to own this poser :: so disappointed … and bored. #JamesRay #


 

– Det. Diskin was free to investigate imaginary causes of death if he wanted to … but he didn’t. Think about it … #JamesRay #


 

– Q: Did you become aware of Fawn’s testimony that she used ant killer in 2010? {what?} #JamesRay #


 

– On and on about ants and how some got killed in 2010 :: pointless. #JamesRay #


 

– Hamiltons have pictures of poison on plates dating back years. #JamesRay #


– Ms. Do is wondering if the rat cake photos were about insurance claims … Mr. Hamilton demurs … couldn’t be that. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Do reminds Hamilton that he was more sure about how the photos were for insurance when previously asked … #JamesRay #


 

– Who took the photos of rat plates years before and after the event … let’s talk about that for 45 min or so … if you want. #JamesRay #


 

– The pump house looked different years later after all the faux lodge stuff was gone … and the biz was almost gone. #JamesRay #


 

– Q: These rat poison pictures are irrelevant to the jury? A: Yes. #JamesRay #


 

– Judge {and universe} would love for Ms. Do to move on past the irrelevant two-year-post-death rat poison pictures. #


 

– Holy craps! That was weak. That was the guy to blame … but she just droned on and on about nothing. What a nightmare for #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Polk begins redirect after a sidebar. #JamesRay #


 

– The pictures of the rat plates :: which Ms. Do requested from Hamiltons :: were taken on the dates shown. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Hamilton cooperated with police and had many little unrecorded chatty chats with Det. Diskin. #JamesRay #


 

– Judge gives a back pat to the jury for being a good little jury. They are dismissed. #JamesRay #


 

– Gosh that was not fun. Weekend recess. #JamesRay #


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  • Bethann said:

    And here we are once again in the Bermuda Triangle of Spirituality, JAR, Hamilton’s and JAR’s woo woo defense team.

    When Do discovered she could not win against MH, he then became an ally for the defense team.

    Bad when you have a ministry, 501c3, good when you have a business. JAR had both an LLC and a 501c3, registered in Nevada, of course.

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  • Yakaru said:

    I thought Madam Truck made a serious tactical error at the outset, telling Hamilton not to give sloppy testimony – given that Mr Hamilton has probably never even used the “word” sloppy in his life, let alone done anything even mildly sloppy – and not to speculate or use hearsay.

    He just threw it back in her face every time she tried to get him speculate, which was a lot. In fact she just gave him room to philosophize about why he couldn’t answer, or why he would answer if he could, but…. etc etc.

    Also, if she was going to try and make him look like wacko by getting him to tell the jury about crystal skulls and channeling, she should have followed up a bit more about it. Of course she couldn’t, because the jury has already heard her own client claim to be God Himself.

    I thought the state did a great job of letting the defense babble on about treated wood for the last few weeks, only to have it completely demolished by Hamilton, who, as they would’ve known had they interviewed him earlier, is a more than credible witness about the wood in question.

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  • Suzy Q said:

    This is semi-interesting. Went to JAR’s website to see what was going on there and there is a section of sale items. Huge sale. Blowout sale. Aggressive sale to the point where it is impossible to leave the site because of all the pop-ups and the strange voice until another site is opened. Ew.

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    Bethann Reply:

    @Suzy Q,

    I have no problem with pop-us and have foxfire as a browser, (ad blocking enabled). What I did realize, is there is a serious case of crazy with the posters om the JAR site.

    One statement made on the JAR site. All suits were settled in 2010, simply not true. Laurie Gennari’s is still pending, and no info on pending suits has been provided, although Sheila Polk has requested it. Judge Darrow is yet to rule. I’m certain there is someone who knows more than I :)

    (Salty, I have the best recipe for carrot cake, and most of those who have tried it, have loved it … until I do the great tofu reveal!)

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    Jean D Reply:

    @Bethann, They are ALL Lee Kuan Major. After more than a year watching this crazy guy from Oahu post his luv for James Ray,and his deep-felt desire to see Ray get away with murder, it’s easy to spot the LK copy and pasting of the same stuff. Hard to believe,but Lee Kuan actually is every single male and female blogger who question and answer each other on forums and comment sections. It’s a strange phenomenon. Maybe he’s institutionalized or all he does his blog about JAR and Conan. On Keeping It Real KIR, he is every Troll in the Dungeon. I’m not kidding. I know this because another blogger and I stalked him last year and smoked him out on Thoughts.com until he was banned for threatening us (again).

    Salty, I can’t help myself but Dough looks like the woman from “The Saw” in that picture! A Tucson reporter tweeted that comments about Do on Twitter were racist. Well, I told her parody is valuable and legal in the USA, and highly needed during this trial. Hilarious,actually.

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    LaVaughn Reply:

    @Jean D, I saw that comment. What I didn’t see was any racial comments about Do. I mean I saw a lot that were mocking her. She’s very mockable. But I missed any racial slurs. If there were racial slurs, that’s fucked up, but I didn’t see them. What did I miss?

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    Jean D Reply:

    @LaVaughn, I think the tweets from FakeTrucDo such as “The meanest sheriff in the US just pulled me over and asked if I had any egg rolls” That was so funny,I responded, “Be glad he didn’t ask you to do his laundry!”

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    LaVaughn Reply:

    @Jean D, See, those to me are jokes about racists; not racist jokes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @LaVaugh, I agree. That’s why I tweeted to the reporter about parody and humor.She apparently wasn’t getting the jokes.

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    Jean D Reply:

    @LaVaughn I accidentally posted as Anonymous.

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    Yakaru Reply:

    @Jean D,

    I read that there was indeed someone on twitter making jokes about Li and Do both being Asian. He apologized, apparently. It wasn’t anyone from “here”.

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    Bethann Reply:

    @Jean D,

    Thank you for the warning. I find it best not to indulge these trolling types, a real time waster and irritant for me :)

    I prefer reading and responding to those who are like minded and have information and observations to offer :)

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    SD Reply:

    @Bethann ::

    Don’t even fucking start with me about tofu.

    @JeanD ::

    Haven’t seen any “Saws” … movies are stupid … and they take too long.

    @All ::

    Just to be clear … I am only @RayShouldPay on Twitter {and that only because my branded accounts are all banned} … none of the others are me {so stop asking me}.

    IMO :: the jokes about the lawyers should mostly focus on their lawyering :: lawyering ethics :: and on the fuckstar that is their client. Some of the other things make me cringe a little too :: but there’s no shortage of people who feel the same about me. Welcome to the Internet.

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    Jean D Reply:

    @SD, Here’s that picture which reminded me of the one you posted of Do above the way she’s hanging her head to the side. Like she’s not having fun defending Killer Boy. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9HaR-XEG47k/SYZ0IoJjzYI/AAAAAAAAC3I/66ViLf0iyD8/s1600-h/3.jpg

    It’s from The Grudge,not the Saw.I only saw the Grudge because a friend thought it was some sort of Asian cultural flick! Yes,a total waste of time.

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    Kalista7 Reply:

    @Suzy Q, Yeah, I went to the page too… it sure is annoying, trying to get off that page. Do they really think they will sell anything by doing that? Duh!!

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    wondering why Reply:

    @Kalista7, Yes I went there too and it freaks me out to be stuck on it..Too creepy..I won’t bother going there again..

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  • Hippo said:

    Ms. Do certainly has deteriorated from her glory days of nailing Phil Spector’s ass to the wall.

    I hope her butt enhancements were worth it.

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    tsarten Reply:

    @Hippo,

    The reason Truc Do is performing so poorly is that she is on the wrong side of the argument. As a prosecutor against Spector, she was able to lay out the argument, but if she had been Spector’s defense attorney, she would look weak because it’s the same argument. Truc said it best, Spector played Russian roulette with six women, and the sixth woman was Lani Clarkson. James Ray played Russian roulette with 6 Spiritual Warriors, and the 6 one was in 2009. Case closed.

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    Hippo Reply:

    @tsarten,

    Well, that’s my point exactly. She obviously became a defense attorney because there’s more money in it. But when you’ve got these creepy defendants who are clearly guilty, then you have to weigh the money against troublesome moral issues.

    That’s why I said I hoped her butt enhancements were worth it.

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    tsarten Reply:

    @Hippo,

    This entire case is a lesson in choices, isn’t it? Thanks for the perspective.

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    Hippo Reply:

    @tsarten,

    I once dated a criminal defense lawyer and I asked him how he was able to handle the morality problem.

    He said, “Well, legally, everyone is entitled to a defense.”

    Now, I understand that, but I think you would have to be able to successfully compartmentalize your mind to do this job–in other words, your conscience goes in one compartment, and your defense of the client goes in another compartment, and the two compartments are nowhere near each other.

    I myself would not be able to do this. I suppose that someone has to, but I struggle to understand how this type of work would not take a terrible toll on the individual.

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    SD Reply:

    @Hippo & @tsarten ::

    You don’t have to compartmentalize to defend the guilty. The guilty must be defended … we set it up that way. There is no shame in doing your best and getting a murderer off … and there is no shame in doing your best and having the murderer executed.

    It is :: in fact :: a kind of noble sacrifice that you’re making for the rest of society. Taking audience with the wicked and putting your talents in their service for the sake of the administration of the system that everyone has agreed to.

    See this lady super hero for example … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Clarke

    But it’s one of the world’s most delicate jobs.

    What is disgusting in these kinds of situations is ..

    a) obstructionism
    b) money whoring
    c) extra judicial posturing that doesn’t recognize the existence :: size :: or magnitude :: of the victim pool.

    etc.

    All on display here.

    Hippo Reply:

    To Mr. Salty:

    Your points are well taken, but I think the person would have to compartmentalize for the sake of their own well-being.

    Maybe I just don’t get it, but it seems like it would be far too distressing otherwise.

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  • jamo said:

    The way lee kuan is posting over at the JAR site might get him banned there as well. He is really going off the deep end.

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    Kalista7 Reply:

    @jamo, Who is Lee Kuan, and how can you tell his posts? I read where he posts under different names or something? What is he saying at the JAR site? Thx

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    wondering why Reply:

    @Kalista7, He just keeps saying the same things over and over again and he posts one post after another,one right after another..He basiaclly says that the victims signed waivers so Ray can’t be held accountable..You can see him on some of the older internet articles..Try the New Yorker or the New York Magazine internet article on James Ray..I will see if I can find it for you..He has many other names besides Lee Kuan..

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    wondering why Reply:

    @Kalista7,
    here is the link.. http://nymag.com/news/features/63259/comments.html#comments#ixzz0

    There are 775 comments..His are some of the very first comments at the beginning which is actually at the end of a very long list of comments..

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    wondering why Reply:

    @wondering why, It looks like all his posts have been deleted afterall..

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  • coldweathergal said:

    A few choice epithets for JAR from our fellow posters. (I’m sure we can think of more.):

    lowlife killer, arrogant, sociopathic thug

    willfully ignorant

    narcissistic windbag

    poster child for exploitation

    dangerously arrogant and angry sociopath

    brazenly evil

    piss-ant

    remorseless and predatory

    vile and disgusting

    messiah complexed botox-face monster

    serial killer

    greasy salesman cocaine addict with poor diction and grammar

    world class fraud

    half baked lame ass fake preacher man

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  • Bethann said:

    Wandered over to the JAR site and read Luis Li’s statement of truth regarding the, “accident,” at Sedona.

    I know there is more than what I’m noting, but to start the following did capture my attention.

    “There were 8 rounds in the sweat lodge, 10-15 minutes each.”

    I thought I heard one of the attorney’s challenge witnesses on the number of rounds.

    “Die and reborn is a spiritual metaphor.”

    Yet earlier Li states this was not a spiritual retreat.

    “There was a, “care station,” for those exiting the sweat lodge.”

    Why would one have a, “care station,” unless one thought there was danger?

    “The participants spent countless hours examining painful experiences, childhood issues and limiting beliefs.”

    We know JAR is not qualified to lead people in therapy at depth, which is what Li is implying JAR did with the first two.

    What kind of positive uplifting experience can one have examining painful experiences and childhood issues while being sleep deprived for, “countless hours.”

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    Rubies Reply:

    @Bethann,

    As you said in a post below this one, I do agree that if Michael Hamilton was following his faith and not his credit rating he would have turned down JAR especially after the previous lodge where people needed medical help. So it seems that for him business ruled the day.

    I want to know what the point is for both Kelly and Li to mention that this retreat was a *corporate exercise* and not a spiritual retreat. Hello???? And the name of the retreat is what? Oh yeah…S-P-I-R-I-T-U-A-L WARRIOR.
    Is there not anyone that can point this stuff out to these guys?

    Who strategizes this defense, Bozo?

    I’m seeing everything thrown out there in the center ring of this defense circus just like that little clown car. I fully expect the kitchen sink to come out at any moment.

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  • tsarten said:

    My opinion was that Hamilton schooled Truc because the entire defense can’t figure out which straw man to use. Wood? Poison? Off-center pit? Faulty structure? Ants? Rats? CO2? 501c3 corp? Crystal skulls?

    Hamilton may be the good witch Glenda, or the Archangel of Cash, but when Truc called the terms and agreement a contract and Hamilton’s response was clear — well, Truc looked like the airy faerie one.

    Beware of the James Ray site, btw. They have it loaded with exit page pop-ups. It takes a while to get past them. They are practicing some of Kern’s tricks on internet marketing. #fail

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    wondering why Reply:

    @tsarten,
    Yes..I don’t know why they do that, not being able to get out of the site like that..That just makes me want to get out even more and to never want to go back..EVER..

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    jamo Reply:

    @tsarten, Yes the defense is just throwing spaghetti against the wall to see if any sticks, with their multitude of theories. It seems to me that that would be less effective than if they picked one. Then again they don’t want any particular retarded theory to be looked at too closely. All it is is confusion tactics.

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  • Rubies said:

    For what it’s worth I need to write of my impressions and personal opinion of the testimony of Michael Hamilton.

    I have to give it to this man for standing up for his belief system, while at the same time sitting down in front of the jury. I think it wouldn’t be an easy thing to talk about a faith so unconventional. If JAR is the poster boy for terrible and sadistic behavior, Michael is the primary example for woo woo new age-y stuffs. I don’t know that his belief system is not valid. I’ve never had an archangel tell me things. I’ve never been able to do any sort of *channeling* through writing or any other method. To me just because I can’t do it or disprove it doesn’t mean it isn’t a true component of a spiritual path. I say to each their own and leave it at that.

    I know through testimony that Michael said that AVR (& perhaps he & his spouse) were millions of $$ in debt. It does bother me though that there was so much money involved in all of this tragedy. 100K to JRI, 50K to the participants for room and board, JRI charging 10K to enrollees and adverts by AVR for *renting* the *large* lodge for big bucks. This is where IMO that things went terribly bad.

    In my belief system we were taught how wrong it was to charge for ceremony just like Fawn Foster testified to. There are costs involved in what we do but people donate freely after the ceremony if they can with whatever they can and if one can’t donate, they are never turned away. All the bills get paid, always. It has never failed. We don’t ever over extend ourselves to undue expenses. We keep things very simple yet somehow everyone’s needs get met. That is a matter of faith that all things get worked out and satisfied. I don’t know that the Hamilton’s would subscribe to this *philosophy* but it works for us. If the Hamilton’s didn’t feel a pressure to satisfy their debts then they could have refused JAR and his seminar. Which doesn’t mean that JAR wouldn’t have caused the deaths and injuries to all those people but it may have been at another venue. Perhaps there wasn’t a place big enough to accommodate for a lodge that large and he might have forgone it. IDK. Would have, could have, should have to the mournful detriment of the victims.

    I thought Michael in his purposeful and staid demeanor did a grand job of slowing down if not completely derailing Truc Do’s high speed train of implications and impeachment. It drives me crazy that in essence she is testifying by putting words in the mouths of the witnesses and demanding nothing in response but the word correct. Michael managed to take the momentum for his own which I think caused Do to trip on herself and to cause more than a few missteps with her cross examination. I can’t but help feeling the jury is not impressed with her style and perhaps may be unduly influenced by it to her unsettling. She could be asking herself at this very moment if she did in fact sell out.

    BTW, I know I have mentioned before that Kirby Brown was a good friend of a friend of mine. My friend will be interviewed this Tuesday by In Session by telephone in case anybody is interested. I hope they ask some decent questions. I should have told her to tell Sonny Whatshername to STFU.

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    2Tired2 Reply:

    @Rubies,

    Way to go, Rubies…!!!

    They had one friend of Kirby’s on IS today.

    I’ll b e on the lookout for the one you know, fer sure :-)

    Anyhoo…eyeballs falling out ~ been looking thru some of the court minutes all day ~ might be my imagination, but it seems that Yavapai County shuts their server down ~ (Why?) Haven’t been able to get on since 4:33 pm AZ time (must be my feeble mind)

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  • Anne said:

    I’m glad that Do didn’t do a very good job of cross-examining MH. (And Truc’s suit was not flattering.)

    IMO, Hamilton looked like a big phony, especially with his testimony about the waiver they had people sign. The intent, he said, was to “bring people’s consciousness” to what they were creating. Really? Since when does anyone go to a lawyer to draft a document to “bring peoples’ consciousness to what they are creating”. What a load of crap!

    Of course Hamilton sees it differently when it comes to ‘taking responsibility” for what HE created.

    I don’t know the makeup of the jury, but I don’t think that would play well with Verde Valley farmers.

    @Rubies. You said “If the Hamilton’s didn’t feel a pressure to satisfy their debts then they could have refused JAR and his seminar” Actually, the Hamiltons could have refused James Ray despite the financial pressure they felt. Hamilton’s (stricken) remark that his wife said “He did it again”, shows that they knew Ray’s events were hurting people, but they sold out to him anyway.

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  • Bethann said:

    I don’t think Michael Hamilton believes the woo woo ideas he promulgates. AVR was first and foremost a business. Hamilton said he started in construction in 1971 with no previous history of involvement with religion or spirituality noted in his testimony.

    I agree Anne, Amyra’s statement, “He did it again,” shows their complicity.

    As to Do, MH leveled her. She had no footing, no control, and simply appeared manic and crazed.

    Still one for the prosecution, showing continuity of JAR’s behavior and the scene at the sweat lodge.

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  • Jeannika said:

    The funny thing about being associated with a sociopath – on any level – when they end up looking dirty ::: very often ::: the people involved end up looking dirty as well. Which may not be the case. I know, cause I’ve been there.

    For decades, my now deceased brother-in-law kept his family (father, brother, mother, etc.) out of the loop as to his shady dealings. Also when he did steal early on, his Dad covered up for him to spare his Mom from knowning. In retrospect, a bad move, but something a lot of Dads would do to protect their wives from pain.

    My brother-in-law also isolated various sets of his friends from one and other. (You wouldn’t believe how many differnt lives this guy was living!) The end result being that no single person ::: except my brother-in-law himself ::: had the total picture on what his dealings were.

    When he attempted to kill his father (and I saw it & STOPPED him) no one ::: not even his Dad ::: believed me. This guy was that good at talking his way out of things. Eventually my father-in-law learned his son had tried to kill him (more than once) tried to kill two other family members, stolen LOTS of money, and bankrupted the family business … at which time he was forced to accept the true nature of his son. A hard bitter day which ended with him on a ventilator in CCU.

    The point being … to this day there are friends of my brother-in-law who refuse to believe ::: despite police and bank records ::: he ever did anything wrong. Who believe my husband and I were/are the guilty ones.

    Guilt by association.

    Here we have Michael Hamilton, who entered into a long standing business arrangement with James Arthur Ray. During a time when JAR was a shining media superstar. Should Michael Hamilton have known better? Perhaps. But then so should a lot of other people … who saw JAR as a new age cure for all the world’s ills … and few people blame them.

    There was a time ::: not so long ago ::: when just about every media talking head and huckster was touting James Arthur Ray as “The real thing”. During which time JAR’s past was pretty well hidden, and difficult to locate. Records had been expunged, and negative articles posted about him on the web, tended to vanish. So you just know some well paid PR firm was carrying out search and destroy missions to kill any stories which could hurt their client.

    James Arthur Ray has always been a preditor. By and large his targets have been honest and trusting individuals ::: not just the greedy ones. JAR went for their weak spots and insecurities and then said he had the key to resolving them ::: his hook ::: at a price.

    He targeted Michael Hamilton the same way he did almost everyone in his life ::: because of his financial situation ::: because of his unusual beliefs ::: and because he was/is a naive and trusting person.

    Michael Hamilton says had a bad feeling about building a big sweat lodge. Should he have followed his gut and NOT allowed it to be built? Obviously yes, and he’ll have to live with that fact for the rest of his life.

    Ted Mercer DID NOT want to work on James Ray sweat lodge, but he hadn’t worked in a long time and needed the cash. Should he have refused take the job? Should he have refused to super heat the rocks? Again, obviously yes. Now, like Michael and Amayra Hamilton, he’ll live with the fact that he did.

    But ::: and here’s the kicker ::: how many more people would have died or been injured had the Mercers NOT been at the sweat? I don’t even want to think about it.

    When all is said and done ::: James Arthur Ray wanted a large super heated sweat lodge, and he was going to get one ::: it didn’t matter where or by whom. Michael Hamilton ::: and the Mercers ::: were simply the first people he found who said yes. Now because they were there ::: and took part in this fiasco ::: they may be tainted for the rest of their lives.

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    wondering why Reply:

    @Jeannika,
    Very true words..Sometimes those in the path of a Sociopath are the ones left in ruins in the dust without knowing exactly what hit them..Look at all the casualites left in the wake of Casey Anthony, the young women who killed her toddler..Just about everyone associated with this case has been either tainted or hurt in one way or another..

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  • Anne said:

    Remember that motion for mistrial for an alleged Brady violation due to the State’s late disclosure of the Haddow summary? It appears that the State has now decided to call Haddow as a witness and the defense has filed a motion to preclude him from testifying. Guess the late disclosed summary wasn’t all that exculpatory after all. heh heh.

    http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docsyav/Cases/State%20of%20Arizona%20vs%20James%20Arthur%20Ray/04-25-2011%20MOTION%20EXCLUDE-PRECLUDE.pdf

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    Rubies Reply:

    @Anne,

    I saw this this afternoon. O M GAWD! Is there a word that means beyond egregious?
    Just when I thought nothing more could surprise me with this DT along comes something new.

    Sooooooooooooo the DT held the trial hostage for days over this exculpatory evidence that would surely exonerate JAR only to decide that it doesn’t and in fact just might help convict him. hmmm…….

    The DT seems to all have big brass balls. It makes up for the tiny shriveled ones that JAR has because of those nasty nasty steroids.

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    Mario Reply:

    @Anne,

    I’m not sure if anyone really knows what Haddow has or doesn’t have, but major kudos to Polk for sticking it to them!

    It would stand to reason Haddow will help the State more than the Defense, so it would be some great karma if he’s allowed to testify.

    Unfortunately, Darrow will probably whimp out again and rule in favor of steroid boy’s defense team.

    No matter what, it was a great move to call Haddow pronto! That just nullified the Brady violation…which was total crap!!

    This could be the week that sinks that Arrogant Dirtbag.

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    Aly Reply:

    @Mario,
    May be a stupid question, but could the judge change the “Brady violation”, since really there wasn’t one. Looks like the defense may have just lied to the judge.

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    Kalista7 Reply:

    @Anne, LOL! That is funny!!! :D

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    jamo Reply:

    @Anne, I just read the interview with Richard Haddow. Incredibly damning to death ray!

    He said there was a good chance people would have died even without the heat because people were packed in there like sardines.

    He sounds completely convicted and clear in his scientific opinions. I can’t see how ANYTHING he said was exculpatory, quite the contrary — directly inculpatory.

    This “Brady violation” was a joke. He better be able to testify otherwise the defense is having it both ways which isn’t fair.

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    chewy Reply:

    @jamo, well maybe it will end up fair when JR gets convicted and everyone can finally say up yours you lying scumbag weazil fake guru.

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  • Yakaru said:

    Just starting to go through the docs uploaded. First up, Defense wants to talk about AV’s taxes. Here’s the first sentence:

    “It is undisputed that Angel Valley charged participants $107,000 for room and board…”

    Um, guys, that has actually been disputed. From the White Papers, page 6:

    “Angel Valley charged JRI $1600 per participant for six nights of meals and accommodation.”

    http://saltydroid.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/WhiteWash-Paper.pdf

    ………………

    Judge ruled excluding evidence that Ray bullshitted everyone (including his own attorneys) about his ability to run the Samurai Game. Ditto for holotropic breathing. The state should’ve acted sooner.

    Video footage from a helicopter of the scene will be admitted. (One clip was already shown, & there wasn’t much to it. This one will probably be a bit more illustrative.)

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  • Bethann said:

    “Haddow’s testimony is inadmissible because the state has not filed a motion under 15.6, and in any event is not permitted to profit under the Brady violation.”

    Didn’t the defense bill the state for $31,000.00, claiming this as the cost to interview Haddow?

    Defense team once again feels during this trial a sense of entitlement.

    (On Friday, Kelly’s behavior was obnoxious, attempting to hide from the camera behind Li while laughing.)

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  • Mario said:

    It’s occurred to me that this minion on In Session, Sonny Hostin is a pawn for the defense. She may as well just head for Verde Valley, join the team and don some silly ass camo suit.

    The only comments I want to see from Sonny is when Jerk Off Jimmy is convicted!

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    scammed Reply:

    @Mario,

    I only watch In Session when I have to be on the road or something and can’t watch CNN on my computer and have to record from TV. It’s too frustrating. Horrid people.

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  • scammed said:

    Bummer–did Judge not have a visit from the Easter Bunny this weekend? Seemed grouchy and anti-prosecution on his rulings this morning before trial re Haddow and previous sweat lodges. I hate that he won’t let previous sweat lodge testimony come in. Just seems so damn relevant once you have any knowledge whatsoever of his history.

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    Mario Reply:

    @scammed,

    The facts about prior sweat lodges would only be relevant if you really want the whole truth. Obviously, the sociopath’s defense can’t afford the truth to ever see the light of day.

    “Ohhh noooo Mr. Judge, please don’t let the whole truth come out. That wouldn’t be fair to our stinking client. Besides, if this ‘roided jack wagon’ has to sit in jail (which will be awesome!) then the scumbag lawyers at MTO may never get paid.” “Ohhhh noooooo…. the truth? We can’t handle the truth.”

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    jamo Reply:

    @Mario, I share your frustration. I’m thinking that the judge is really worried about the cost of the case. He has repeatedly said “no cumulative testimony”. I don’t know, but if he had read the evidence in the case, I don’t see how he would rule to exclude it all.

    What really sucks is knowing all the blockbuster details of the case which the judge is not allowing, and then watching Li spend 5 hours on taxes, ants and wood. What a travesty of justice.

    However there is plenty to convict with what was admitted. I hope the judge’s allowance of the brainwashing tactics by the defense doesn’t get death-ray off. As Salty has pointed out, the jury are not stupid. They can see what is going on.

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  • Mario said:

    Luis Li, Truc Do and Tom Kelly should also be imprisoned along with their d’bag client for the good of all decent people everywhere.

    Each one of them suck beyond all recognition!!

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    Mario Reply:

    @Mario,

    Oh that was sweet! Luis Li just shit the bed and I’m breaking myself laughing!! You just got nothing lead counsel, so go take a break and think about it asshole.

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