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pimp said:
In culty groups like this its a huge ego trip to be able to physically touch the guru. thats why manic Megan mentioned it, to be able to touch and be close to death Ray is the highlight of her life.
no one can know but their hairdressers, but it does look like Ray was sexing some of his close female followers, like many other gurus do.
they don’t just sex them for mere pleasure, its to control them emotionally.
the guru sexing his closest followers is something that happens all the time.
when you combine that with the mathcing thumb rings, manic posing, the signs are there that Ray was sexing his closer female followers, in one way or another.
its all about control, just like an actual pimp.
there is more here too.
http://www.examiner.com/x-11245-Philadelphia-Speculative-Fiction-Examiner~y2010m2d11-James-Ray-death-lodge-interview-Director-of-Operations
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# 12 February 2010 at 7:54 am

Dave said:
Over my (mostly untarnished) career, I have learned a thing or two about operations, conducting training, breaking people down to build them back up and turn their miserable lives into something meaningful, and I can tell you this: I would not put Megan *twirling my hair* Fredrickson in charge of feeding the cat.
How can she possible say that she doesn’t know anything about anything about, you know, running operations, when she is supposed to be the director of operations. Never researched the possibility of injury; doesn’t know anything about first aid or heat injuries; doesn’t know how a dude got an arrow through his eye (sorry, how can you possibly forget something like that? I have been involved in two training accidents with serious injuries, and trust me, I can remember every detail of those two events, like it was yesterday – one was in 1995, the other was in 2003); can’t see three feet in front of her, even when the flap is opened in broad daylight. And this gem: she can “kind of keep [her] head about [her] in situations like that” but she can’t remember people dying. Really? Gag me with a thumb ring.
The best, absolute best part of the whole interview is how her attorney lets her hang herself. In fairness to him, he probably didn’t realize she was lying her ass off while she was *twirling her hair* and playing coy, but man…
Oh, and @Pimp – you think the femmes should all get checked for herpes?
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# 12 February 2010 at 9:53 am

Bryan Neuman said:
Have fun in prison Megan. Thanks for making your company look even more guilty, reckless, and careless.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Hey SD, you already made the first page of Megan’s google search! Amazing work as always, thank you! Love the old JR pic with the spray on tan and glowing teeth! Does anyone know how much facial surgery he’s had?
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Name megan fredrickson
Location carlsbad, ca
Bio I’m here to transform the planet through expressions of love, gratitude, connection, joy and passion. Care to join me?
…I don’t think she’s going to transform the planet by only expressing those things for James Ray.
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# 12 February 2010 at 10:50 am

Yakaru said:
Funny how she suddenly remembered a whole heap of details when asked what did JR do to help the sick and dying. She even remembered that in a previous year JR did not get angry with the resort owner for calling 911, despite the fact that she wasn’t there when it happened.
She remembered vividly how the medics weren’t very well organised – they didn’t seem to immediately recognise the scale of the disaster, but then couldn’t remember why she was hiding in the giftshop and avoided being interviewed.
All that time she was hiding from the cops she should have been checking on everyones whereabouts and providing personal details to the hospitals.
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TuBob Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Yes, she has a BAD case of very selective memory. She can remember filling her water bottle from a hose at a 2004 sweat lodge yet can’t remember major details concerning someone with part of an arrow piercing their eye. Riiiiight!
The arrow incident would be the talk of JRI at the time it happened and she doen’t recall much about it?? Helloooo?
I’m not all the way through her “free talk” yet here is a little diddy concerning Barb Waters that had an issue at a 2008 JRI sweat lodge. The detective is questioning her about the woman’s apparent lack of consciousness:
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Det. Diskin: Did you ask her questions, how you doing, anything, did anybody ask her questions that she’d respond to?
Megan: Yeah I think people were asking her questions. I don’t, you know, I don’t recall specifically
Det. Diskin: Was she unresponsive to people?
Megan: Yes
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Huh? Does anyone else see a problem here? In one breath she “thinks” people were asking Barb questions and in the next answers “Yes” to was Barb unresponsive.
How can you not know if people are asking Barb questions and at the same time state Barb was unresponsive the questions you are unsure if someone was even asking?? Duh!
Her “free talk” is going to get her “unfree” in a hurry. Maybe she is going to plead the Forrest Gump defense: “Stupid is as stupid does.”
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# 12 February 2010 at 1:22 pm

Yakaru said:
And it looks like his house has sold, sweat lodge and all, for 4 million.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11964-Crest-Pl-Beverly-Hills-CA-90210/20032163_zpid/
????????????
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stoic Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Perhaps he can pony up the bail money then—or has that $4mill already swum offshore?
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Kiki Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Do you seriously think he gets much of whats left after the mortgage and lawyers and bail money is settled? And do you seriously think that the authorities aren’t smart enough to put a trace on every financial movement he makes from the moment of investigation …. including who is making donations to his cause?
Cough cough – If he is the honest person he wants everyone to think he is then everything he does will be transparent. Unfortunately I hold about as much hope of that being the case as I have of any of these dudes acknowledging the evil that they have done to other peoples lives. Society is beginning to say enough is enough and we want justice but it won’t change the arrogance and ignorance of these dudes at least not until they actually have to face their maker.
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Duff Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Any idea how to find out who purchased it? I’d be curious if Ray’s home was bought by a friend, family member, or workshop participant who wanted to help out poor old James with his bail.
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stoic Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 3:48 am
There is a lot of confusion about who called the paramedics that day but Megan is quite adamant that Death Ray was thinking clearly enough to order her to call the attorneys while the victims were still dying and suffering multiple organ damage.
Death Ray’s next example of clear thinking was to immediately put his ill-gotten mansion on the market. Death Ray was thinking liquidity, long before he bothered to identify his long time friend and follower who was dying as a Jane Doe in the hospital.
For anyone thinking of helping poor James out with his bail and legal expenses, remember how it was business as usual in the immediate aftermath; leaving a trail of at least four lifeless bodies in three months, poor James was straight back in the seminar business, drumming up revenue “because it’s too important not to”
Not to what? Not to let a few fatalities stand in the way of his bottom line?
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208-577-6210 Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Duff, the LA county assessor won’t put it online for the public to see, but the info is available through their contact form, or in their offices.
http://assessor.lacounty.gov/extranet/contactUs/assrmail.aspx
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Hippo Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
The lovely Zombie-Ray dining table centerpiece must have been the deal-breaker.
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# 12 February 2010 at 1:50 pm

Hippo said:
I don’t understand this–she’s apparently still brainwashed and trying to protect Ray.
What exactly does she think is going to happen if she keeps giving these lobotomized answers to the Detective’s questions?
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stoic Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
She’s likely relying on that blue genie that Death Ray conjures from the Universe (according to youtube vids) to step in and save her when the tough questions start.
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# 12 February 2010 at 2:54 pm

Watching The Train Wreck said:
I want to add a dissenting view. Although I don’t necessarily believe this.
If megan is a product of Ray’s mind control tactics then wouldn’t that make her a victim?
What is the difference between Megan and the thousands of people who Ray manipulated into giving them large sums of money? Were not the same techniques used?
… in my opinion she is obviously lying and seems to have played a role. I haven’t really followed this story as close as some of the others.
Curious to hear the responses.
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Yakaru Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Megan got(/gets?) paid for it.
Melinda Martin, Amy Hall and probably some others quit as soon as they learned of Colleen Conaway’s death and the cover up of it. Mad Meg didn’t.
Megan spent the whole time after the death lodge hiding out in the gift shop instead of providing information to the authorites – Liz Neuman was signed in as Jane Doe and it was ages ages before her family could be traced.
Megan helped cover up the death Colleen Conaway, who was also signed in as Jane Doe because Megan and Co didn’t share the information with the authorities, and destroyed and fabricated evidence.
Megan, while hiding out in the gift shop was a party to the appalling email that was sent out to the JR mailing list, declaring the death lodge a great success, although “some participants were taken ill” – that is, she was among those who thought that this could also be covered up.
Megan could have realised that “granted immunity” means they have something on her from which she could be granted immune. Instead, she stuck to continuing her ridiculous lies and sticking up for a man who killed four people inside of three months.
Yes, Megan may well be a victim and her poor husband Josh may well be Death Ray’s doormat. But others confronted the reality of the situation. What more would Megan need before she realises that death – even when it happens to others, is a serious matter which involves dead people and devastated families, and is not just a PR problem.
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Watching The Train Wreck Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
@yakru
I agree. My personal issue when talking about victims and responsibility is that I think we have come to the age that nobody is responsible for anything.
… burn yourself on a McD’s coffee… then it’s those dam evil bastards who actually made the coffee hot and didn’t tell me fault.
… eat fast food every meal of your life and have a heart attack and it’s the fast food companies fault, they made me eat.
… I get the riches bug and spend 1000 on information when I couldn’t afford it and I didn’t use it and it’s those bastards fault for selling the information.
All we really have to base shit on is what did or did not happen. Megan did a bunch of dumb ass shit, and should pay and be held responsible. As soon as conversation moves to intentions… how do we REALLY know what a person’s inner intent was?
incoherent rant over :)
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Yakaru Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Watching – it’s a worthy discussion point, but the time to discuss intentions would be AFTER someone realises the damage they’ve done and apologises.
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Hippo Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 9:43 am
I do think that Megan is a victim. But at some point, every person involved with JRI has got to realize what a sham/scam this guy has been running. Melinda and Amy answered the clue phone long ago and left.
Perhaps Megan needs some cult de-programming before she will be able to testify appropriately.
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stoic Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Megan seems to have a history of knowing on what side her bread is buttered, to the extent that she directed operations for Death Ray without engaging her critical faculties.
She doesn’t need cult deprogramming as much as to realise that the bread is now buttered on the other side. Her continued freedom relies less on the mythical blue genie as on her recognising that reality.
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# 12 February 2010 at 3:50 pm

froylein said:
Maybe JAR used to watch too much MTV: http://www.robbiewilliams.com/video/official/sin-sin-sin-music-video
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SD Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
@froylein :: I missed you!
… wow that song is terrible … so Megan probably loves it and plans to follow it to hell
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
@froylein – I almost pissed myself. What an awesome find!
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froylein Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
I’ve been around, Droid, I’ve just been too busy / uninspired to comment. You certainly have attracted some interesting following. It’s particularly amusing from my point-of-view with no horse, dog, or even snail in this race.
And I’ve just given my above comment a thumbs up cause that’s what I learnt from the gurus: make anything that’s not an utter and undeniable failure a reason for celebration. If it is an utter and undeniable failure, try to sell it as an emotional learning experience.
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stoic Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
I’ve given you a thumbs up too, Froylein, thanks for an emotional learning experience. ;-)
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AnnAustin Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
I finally had time to take a look at this. All that’s missing is the thumb rings.
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# 12 February 2010 at 6:19 pm

KarenJ said:
What an ironic video….”hate the sin not the sinner” and isn’t that what ALL these guys say as they refuse to take responsibility for their actions. The devil made me do it, yeah right! How sick and twisted does a person have to get and what are our authorities doing about it????????
The victims are all watching so it better be worthy justice. We are tired of these so called Gurus claiming they are the world experts at anything they think they can make a few dollars out of. Lies, lies, lies thats all you get and they still manage to be allowed to hook people in.
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# 12 February 2010 at 7:30 pm

Saddened said:
I have been reading through those transcripts and I have to say that I honestly feel that the creators of the secret movie have a lot to answer for in terms of putting these simple people who had very few if any qualifications for dealing with peoples emotional wellbeing on a pedestal. The whole thing seems purely ego and money driven and it appears to have made greedy monsters out of people who were struggling with being content in themselves in the first place. They are attempting to take the place of a God and want people to view them and respect them like Gods.
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# 12 February 2010 at 7:57 pm

TSarten said:
Oh Megan Freakerson, I can’t wait until your are sitting on the stand talking about your skills as director of operations that can’t seem to remember a fricken thing.
It’s obvious darling.
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# 12 February 2010 at 8:38 pm

Hobbes said:
And this:
Det. Poling: Why don’t they get a refund? Basically
Megan: James Ray International has a no refund policy
Would that be the full 100% refund cast iron gold plated JRI no risk guarantee no refund policy, Megan?
And this:
Det. Diskin: Okay. In 2008 there was a girl that was having some problems and she was placed in a bathtub, were you involved with that?
Megan: No
Det. Diskin: Do you know of that, a girl that was placed in a bathtub to kind of cool herdown?
Megan: No
Det. Diskin: Okay
Megan: Bathtub? I didn’t even know they had bathtubs at Angel Valley.
And this:
Megan: No, no I would tell him what round we were on cause I, I feel like I have a good ability to keep track of things. Kinda keep my head about me during situations like that.
Followed by:
Det. Diskin: Quantum Leap 2007, his name is Kurt Reinkens, R-e-i-n-k-e-n-s and he had received an injury with breaking an arrow where the shaft of the arrow broke and went through his eye lid and kinda scraped the top of his eye and there’s lots of blood and his eye swelled shut. Do you remember that incident?
Megan: Not specifically.
Truly, a diamond mine of Harmonic Stupid[tm].
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# 12 February 2010 at 8:51 pm

the voice of reason said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Hey Salty super lib, is it possible for you to write at least one post that is clear and doesn’t look like it was written by a chimp banging away at a keyboard? For fuck sakes, I’ve never seen a more incoherant, undicipherable writing “style” in all my life. By the way, moron, “:::” isn’t proper ANYTHING.
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# 12 February 2010 at 10:10 pm

anon said:
Ah yes, deliberately destroying evidence like all good faith walking Christians do. Unfortunately for the fools who do that there are always people they have crossed who are willing to go on the record. And they go on the record because they actually do have a conscience and actually do care about someone other than themselves.
Its a joy to kill all the lurve they thought they had with their emotionally emaciated followers.
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# 13 February 2010 at 2:06 am

babzilicious said:
Josh’s recounting of events:
Det. Diskin: … I want to talk more about James Ray because there’s a clear conflict here. James Ray’s attorneys tell us that James did everything that he possibly could and he was helping people the whole time. Several witnesses say that James Ray did absolutely nothing. He sat in this chair for awhile, then he just stood here for the rest of the time and didn’t help anybody. There was one girl that was screaming for him, James Ray why did you do this to me and walks over to her and says it’s okay and then kinda walked back. But he never helped anybody …
Det. Diskin: Did you ever see James get down on the ground in the dirt or mud and help somebody?
Josh: In the dirt and mud I don’t think so.
Det. Diskin: Okay
Det. Poling: Did he get down on his hands and knees and help? Besides stand and pray over them, did he do anything medically to help anyone?
Josh: I don’t think medically, no
Det. Poling: Did he shake anyone’s hand and say good job?
Josh: I don’t know
Det. Poling: He wasn’t congratulating anyone, you’re a warrior, or you know pumping them up, saying you made it?
Josh: He may have before and like I said I wasn’t with him when he came out, I was, I was over by the water station with Megan but I don’t
Det. Poling: Who was the male that was sitting over here that James went up to and said good job, near the tarp?
Josh: Was that, I know XXXXXXX was sitting over there. Is that, is that
Det. Poling: I don’t know, I’m asking you. I’m asking, did he congratulate someone right there?
Josh: I didn’t see that so I don’t know. The time that I spent with James afterward was in this area waiting for the paramedics to come. And once the paramedics came and kind of took things he was kind of hanging out over on this side of things. You know just standing there kind of ready if someone needed him or needed (Inaudible)
Det. Diskin: Was he saying anything (Inaudible) or talking to anybody?
Josh: No he was pretty, when I was with him he was pretty, I mean he was shocked.
Now, what does Ms. Megan have to say?
Det. Diskin: Okay. After the sweat lodge was over did James Ray help anyone?
Megan: Uhm, yes. And help can be (Inaudible) differently. James didn’t perform CPR or anything
Det. Diskin: Well was he on his hands and knees trying to encourage people or getting towels or blankets or telling people what they need to do to correct this problem that their having?
Megan: Yeah, he went around and checked on people. Uhm and he, he was kneeling down and I remember him specifically talking to uhm a couple of folks who I know are from Canada but I can’t recall their names right now. Uhm he held IV bags when the paramedics were there
Det. Diskin: James Ray held an IV bag?
Megan: Yeah, yeah
Megan: … so uhm he came and talked to XXXXXX I know. I mean he was talking to her and he was you know reminding her of how amazing she is and uhm
Det. Diskin: So he had a conversation (Inaudible)
Megan: Yeah he talked to her and I think that XXXXXX, I think he was near XXXXXX at one point too. He may have been holding an IV bag there. He helped get people blankets and towels. I know that there was, there was a period of time right afterward where it was, it was a lot of shock and I know that when James was near XXXXXXX and XXXXXX he was in a kind of state of disbelief and shock and, and standing watching people do CPR and James, as far as, I don’t know if James was CPR certified or not but he, you know, he didn’t jump in there and do CPR. He kinda just let them do their thing, there was a lot of people there, I think four people or so. But then once it kind of became like your, the paramedics are there and we need to figure out who needs to be where and so on. Then you know I think James came a little bit out of the shock and started talking to the participants and, and you know checking on them and making sure they were okay and getting them the blankets and you know telling them that they had done a really great job and stuff like that.
Det. Poling: So you saw him tell someone they did a great job? Did he shake their hand? Did he like go down, touch them, say you did a good job?
Megan: I don’t know, you know I don’t remember him shaking a hand. Like I said I remember specifically this couple
Det. Poling: Well you said he told people they did a good job, participants
Megan: Yeah, yeah and it may
Conflicting accounts of what took place. Looks like they’re going to end up testifying against each other …
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Hippo Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Could someone correct me if I’m wrong–
I don’t think paramedics allow untrained bystanders to hold IV bags.
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Yakaru Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
From a quick re-check of the witness statements I could only find one reference to holding IV bags and that was being done by the participant who happened to be a qualified doctor.
I do recall reading several statements about James holding up IV bags, but I don’t remember where they came from. If they all come from Death ray’s lawyers, then I would consider that to be a reliable source – that is you can rely on it being not only a lie but a disgustingly offensive lie as well.
I noticed the police were asking Megan F about the reports that when JR saw the first ambulances coming down the hill he said “Those of you who can walk, get up and go to your rooms now.”
Strangely, Meg didn’t seem to recall any incident like that.
Another witness reported JR saying “I’m going to go and have a shower” and leaving, while CPR was being performed on Kirby and James. Helping people? That guy’s head is so far up his arse he can’t even help himself anymore.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Melinda Martin and Beverly Bunn both said JR did nothing.
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Hippo Reply:
February 13th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
My point was that the paramedics would not have allowed him to help with the IV bags, even if he had wanted to.
So, if that’s true, it’s an even bigger lie. Because not only did he not help, he would not have even been allowed to do the thing he claimed he was doing.
I realize I’m living in my own little world here, but this bugs me. If he’s going to lie, at least make it more plausible.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
@Hippo – What!?!? I thought we were all living in James Ray’s world… you know, the one where he makes up his own rules, laws, and truths.
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Hippo Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
To Bryan:
Well, if we’re living in James Ray’s world, I suppose it does make sense.
By the way, you are brave to take on that nut Leekuan on the New York Magazine website. I responded to him several times and gave up. You, however, have more “street cred” than I do.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Haha, thanks Hippo. Leekuan is such a classless, antagonistic, attention whore. He’s getting his ass handed to him now and it’s getting pretty entertaining. I think I’ll grab some popcorn.
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Hippo Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
To Bryan:
Oh, get me some popcorn too, while you’re up.
You’re doing a great job of handling that guy Leekuan. I tend to get a little rattled by antagonistic posters. I responded to him several times, but each thing I said seemed to make it worse, so I stopped.
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Anonymous Coward Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Hippo –
When there are lots of victims and not enough professionals, they will ask people to hold IV bags and and assist in other ways.
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# 13 February 2010 at 12:57 pm

Jean D. said:
Ray is damn lucky he’s only being charged with manslaughter. And little Ms.Megan Fredrickson,can we call you MFr? you’re an accomplice, not a victim. You’re as guilty as homemade sin and you sure can’t hide it. That’s why you told Detective Diskin,”I realize like I’m shivering.You’re not scaring me.I’m just like really cold.” You and Ray labored hard together to realize his(your)erotic asphyxiation fantasies: Make the sweat hotter. Take away water. Starve,dehydrate,and isolate people after,no,BEFORE the sweat.Ignore their mental and physical condition. Encourage them to stay in the heat by equating sweat rounds with “chakras”; the SEVENTH chakra representing Self-Realization and Rebirth.(Disregard the fact that chakras are UNKNOWN to Native American ideologies!) After it’s over make sure you and the others hide yourselves,then hide and/or destroy evidence. Be sure to use the NEW buzz words if they ask you questions about your beloved James: coach,coaching,trainer,encourage,encouragement..Can you remember all that?
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# 13 February 2010 at 4:55 pm

busted said:
Those detectives are pros. You can see what they did there. They specifically were testing Josh and Megan, with the JR down on his knees and shaking hands, questions. Those are objective behaviors that would have been seen by other witnesses, and they were not seen.
Josh also exposes himself as a person behaving despicably in trying to protect James Ray, with his disgusting lies.
This is precisely why James A Ray refused to ever be questioned by investigators, Ray knows that pros like that will catch your lies.
Just like they caught and exposed Megan and Josh with their lies.
but James Ray is to savvy for that, he refused to speak to anyone. Ray only victimizes people who are not pros, just average everyday people who lives and minds he destroys to make money off them. Ray stays far away from an audience and customer who have extensive training in sales and persuasion, as they are too hard to manipulate and exploit.
Ray also stays away from other pros, like police and detectives.
and when he goes in front of the courts, he will lie like Megan and Josh, and try to play dumb and cross his fingers he gets away with it.
hopefully all of their lies will be exposed, and Megan and Josh will also be held accountable.
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# 13 February 2010 at 4:59 pm

Jonas said:
If anyone was questioning whether the public are hurting over the actions of a few sick, greedy, brainwashed and twisted individuals then surely peoples comments on this forum are enough. People want to remain nameless because they fear the reprisal of these sick individuals and that is exactly the fear that these so called teachers intended to put into their minions so that they would not question, they would only say positive things about their grand master and they would speak only happy thoughts. I find their actions no different to a cult and even though James Ray may never have understood what he was doing, I believe he was creating a cult just like other people in the secret are perhaps unwittingly doing. Are there any in the secret who have qualifications? And I dont mean qualifications? Even Rays lawyers said that he was not a wealthy man, well whoohoo, as if we are surprised but I sure thing some would be.
These self titled gurus build their egos up to believe the crap they say themselves and they get deeper and deeper in the lies to the point where there is really no way out. Maybe there isn’t meant to be a way out and maybe James Ray will be judged in such a way to make an example to all the other fools attempting to do business in the same way. Anyone who does not see the destructive effect he had on peoples lives must be blind. I believe that nobody gets away with taking anything from another persons life no matter how unimportant THEY think it is.
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# 14 February 2010 at 4:14 am

anon said:
Greed and hubris has taken over many of these peoples lives to the point where they have no fear about what they are doing or the consequence and certainly no consideration for the affect it has on anyone else. All you need to do is read the words they use, the promises they make and the claims they make about who they are and what they can do. Then look at the prices they charge and you know immediately what their focus is….it is certainly not about helping other people, its about helping themselves ONLY.
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# 14 February 2010 at 5:35 am

noodlebowl said:
When my dad was having his heart attack, I wanted to stay in the room with him, and the paramedics kept walking me out of the room until I understood that I would help more if I stayed outside.
Paramedics, police and firefighters try to keep the scene as simple as possible, so they wont be letting anyone near unless that person can present government issued credentials demonstrating that they are qualified to assist.
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Hippo Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 9:35 am
So that would make it unlikely that Ray was helping the paramedics in any way, even if he had wanted to. He is such a lying sack of shit.
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Yakaru Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Maybe in trial the paramedics will confirm that in that emergency situation they needed someone to hold a bag, and they considered Ray capable of doing it, until he became overpowered by the need to take a shower have lunch and leave everything for poor Josh to sort out.
Otherwise the whole question is a weak PR attempt. Even if it were true, so what? His behavior before during and after speaks for itself.
Furthermore, the prosecution has said they don’t want cameras in court because it might impinge on the privacy of the witnesses. In other words, they have shown more care for Ray’s victims than the remaining members of JRI ever have.
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Anonymous Coward Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Noodlebowl;
In a “mass casualty” situation (any time victims outnumber rescuers is a mass casualty), asking those who are not victims to help with non-medical tasks like holding IVs and barf basins is routine. Depending on circumstances and the bystander’s willingness, the bystander can end up doing supervised medical tasks like holding pressure on a bleeding wound, and peeling open medical supplies for the EMT with the gloves.
(I’m a first responder in rural AZ, which has a Good Samaritan law)
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# 14 February 2010 at 9:22 am

Hippo said:
This is a little off-topic, but since this is the most active James Ray thread at the moment, I wonder if anyone would be interested in going over to the New York Magazine website and making a few comments on the “James Ray Defends Himself” article?
There is one very strong supporter of Ray who is hassling the regular posters. I don’t know if it’s better to just ignore this guy, or what. His argument is that somebody else built the sweat lodge, so that person should be in jail. He’s pretty inflexible and accusatory.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Count me in. His screen name is Leekuan… probably his lawyer or PR rep.
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Hippo Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
I certainly hope that Leekuan is not a lawyer. He is pretty incoherent and illogical. He also seems a bit dense–he keeps ranting about “slander,” yet posters are simply reporting the evidence as collected by the Sheriff’s office. It may not be worthwhile to tangle with him; it could be interesting, or exhausting, depending upon your point of view.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
You’re definitely right about that. The guy has the mental capacity and maturity of a 10 year-old. That board has gone crazy, better check it out before Leekuan gets banned or deleted.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 pm
He has been banned and deleted, haha! At least a lot of us posted his comments within ours.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 pm
And that’s for threatening people’s lives… WTH?
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babzilicious Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Hi Bryan, here’s the post I ended up sending to the comment moderator. Leekuan went steadily downhill from here. Apparently he has cop friends who will rough people up for him…
JEAND WROTE:
LeeKuan I have no intention of trying to get you.
MY RESPONSE:
Well, it’s only fair you should know that if ANY of you try to get me. Kiss your families goodbye first because…you won’t be coming home
I’M SERIOUS
This is no threat. It is a fact!
You have no idea what you are messing with here!
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# 14 February 2010 at 9:32 am

TSarten said:
I am not sure of the art direction of this little tribute to James Ray, but you can see the lovely duo of the Freakerson’s. They seem to be obsessed with drinking — so it must have been Hydrate day.
From jamesray.com
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# 14 February 2010 at 12:34 pm

Yakaru said:
Going through Josh Doormat Fredrickson’s interviews. This part says a lot:
Asked what was changed after a participant in 2005 came out of the sweat lodge throwing punches –
Josh: …we kind of relied on our insurance company and our legal team to shape the waivers for the legal team and then for the insurance company to tell us what’s required.
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# 14 February 2010 at 1:25 pm

Hippo said:
Rumor Rat dug up a nice picture of Megan and Josh posing with James Ray and Larry King. It’s posted on his website, and the entry is dated February 9. No idea when the picture was taken.
Megan has the same stupid expression on her face. It must be exhausting to try to maintain that manic state all the time. I get tired just looking at her.
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# 14 February 2010 at 1:40 pm

Yakaru said:
Just finished the going through the transcript of Josh Fredrickson’s “immunity” interview. Seems like ray and Mad Meg to be totally oblivious to the consequences. Bizarre exchange at the end, too long to quote starts with a detective showing JF a photo purported to be taken at the end of the 2008 sweat lodge and asks if he sees any similarites with 2009:
Josh: Uhm there, there seems to be a lot fewer people here overall.
Det. Diskin: Cause when I look at the pictures of 2009 and I see the people laying on the ground and their in the fetal position and stuff it kind of looks the same as here
Josh: It does. What was going on I’m sure, I mean I wasn’t there but I’m sure what was going on was a lot different in terms of that. It does look like a lot more like, I see a smile over here. I mean….
It continues like that for a long time with the detective asking him if he thinks that normal, and he continually refuses to see any problem at all.
If 2008 had people keeling over, so traumatised they return to the fetal position, then that was right on the edge of disaster but they thought they were doing great out of body spiritual work and didn’t register any danger. In 2009 they screwed up the counting and had 8 instead of 7 rounds like in 2008, not surprisingly resulting in disaster.
The weirdest thing is the way JF – and all of them talk about it. It’s as if they’re describing events at a picnic where maybe someone had a minor mishap. I am beginning to wonder if M & J aren’t maybe a bit mentally disturbed.
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Hippo Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
To Yakaru:
Maybe we have some mental health experts here who can give an opinion on this. I am just thinking that you would have to tie your brain up into a huge pretzel of denial just to be able to be in the same room with James Ray, much less spend so much time working for him.
It’s as though they’re completely separated from reality, but I don’t know exactly what that would be called. Not that they’re lacking in intelligence, but that they have somehow turned off much of their thinking ability as a way to cope with all the horror.
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stoic Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 3:15 am
They turned off their critical thinking abilities in order to buy into DeathRay’s version of reality long ago. Working for him on a daily basis and hearing and promoting his spiel constantly finished the job so I doubt they have any critical faculty left where DeathRay’s world is concerned.
They are heavily invested in belief, the deaths and danger have just compounded that. Seeing reality at this late date will involve an admission of just how much they have duped themselves and allowed Death Ray to dupe them. It would involve them admitting their own complicity in the danger and death. It’s unlikely to happen now.
This is not really a mental health issue, its a poor life choice issue. We all make poor life choices at some time or other, the difference is whether we are humble enough to admit that to ourselves and do the necessary work to make better choices in the future.
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Hippo Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 10:53 am
To Stoic:
You make some good points.
If they’re suffering from delusions, that would be a mental health issue. And I would bet money that they’re suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, which is likely permanent.
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stoic Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
You and I might call them deluded but strictly speaking neither of them qualify as suffering from delusions in the true sense of the word.
Both would appear to be sane, they have a pretty stupid belief system that they are clinging to grimly in a complete denial of reason but a stupid belief system is not a mental health issue.
PTSD requires at least some acknowledgement of the horror, it is the minds inability to process the horror in any reasonable way that gives rise to PTSD, not a complete lack of acknowledgement.
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Hippo Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
To Stoic:
Whatever is going on, there has got to be some pretty awful stuff bubbling right below the surface. If they ever do come to an awareness of what they’ve done, I shudder to think how they’ll be able to process it.
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stoic Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
I think this has been linked to before but it gives a good overview of the cognitive dissonance they must be experiencing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
If they ever do come to an awareness they will have to deal with similar manifestations of PTSD…and then will have my heartfelt sympathy as a fellow sufferer. But at least then they will know themselves as vulnerable and feeling human beings.
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Hippo Reply:
February 17th, 2010 at 9:20 am
To Stoic:
I guess I just don’t understand cognitive dissonance.
I mean, I get it that your brain keeps trying to justify things. I myself used to believe certain things until the evidence that those beliefs were false was just too compelling.
I understand that nobody wants to admit that they were fooled, and that it’s a human tendency to want to keep justifying, but when you finally admit the truth to yourself, it’s a relief. I feel stupid about some of the things I used to believe, but I am so grateful that I learned the truth. The relief at knowing the truth is stronger than my need to justify my inaccurate beliefs.
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stoic Reply:
February 17th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Most people respond as you do, but in some cases when there is heavy investment in not seeing the truth, a lot of effort is expended to keep the truth hidden.
DeathRays entire sales spiel and technique would come under the category of effort expended in keeping truth hidden, so would all that LOA stuff. Its a form of magical thinking, ‘if I don’t look at it it ceases to exist.’
We don’t really have that much control over what we see so there is enormous effort expended to keep acknowledgement of what we see anyway (whether we want to or not) below conscious awareness. Thats where the dissonance comes from, a perpetual feeling of confusion. The relief you feel on admitting the truth is a dissipation of the dissonance.
At least, that the theory–this is all theoretical but it is a story that fits the common experience.
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# 14 February 2010 at 6:07 pm

babzilicious said:
To Hippo and Yakaru,
Well, we have that one guy John Curtis, Ph.D., with Americans Against Self-Help Fraud – you know, he has commented on many, many articles related to this case and he always says the same thing? Kinda wish he would step away from the script and speak more from his heart and experience …
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Hippo Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 12:55 am
I would love to hear his opinion of the mental state of Megan or Josh, based on their statements.
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Yakaru Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 4:04 am
Babz, I had a go at him for cutting and pasting the same comment all over the place, and then gave up because that’s all he seems to do. Never seems to check back and explain himself, just the same neutral, diplomatic comment. I guess it proves his PhD is authentic.
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babzilicious Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Yakaru, Dr. (?) Curtis wrote a really good OpEd piece which I posted to Twitter. It was definitely off-script. I truly don’t understand his purpose in posting that same message ad nauseum though.
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Yakaru Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Yeh, he has a good reputation, and I understand his PhD is a real one – so he’s the odd man out. Weirdest thing about his cutting and pasting is he often doesn’t put any contact details – just seems to assume everyone knows who he is.
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# 14 February 2010 at 8:31 pm

Jean D said:
Speaking of partying JRI style,check out this set of 30 photos. (MOTL New Year’s Bash 2007(Set)
(I didn’t know how to link the set,so I copied and pasted this first shot of a very drunk DeathRay to take you to the set.)
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Snortle Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 1:38 am
Wow, James Ray almost looks a bit maniacal in that first pic.
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# 14 February 2010 at 11:38 pm

SD (author) said:
Subscribe to the legal documents as they become available …
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docsyav/Default.aspx
… nice.
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# 15 February 2010 at 4:00 am

anon said:
No hiding now.
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# 15 February 2010 at 4:37 am

Dave said:
What? Why would the JRI herd want to see legal documents? After all, they have the gospel according to James in the blood-red-paperz his newest “dream-team” put out. That’s the only reality they need, just ask Megan or Josh, it’s all gonna work out great for their immunity.
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# 15 February 2010 at 6:11 am

babzilicious said:
Re: the Fredrickson’s tenuous grasp on reality.
How many years were they JAR customers/clients before they started working for him?
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stoic Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
According to the immunity transcripts, they were paying customers at the 2004 equivalent of Spiritual Warrior, so must have been already in a few years by then.
Old DeathRay knew what he was doing when he employed them (at a significant salary drop), only true believers need apply.
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# 15 February 2010 at 10:15 am

babzilicious said:
Speaking of a tenuous grasp on reality … LeeKuan is back for Day 2 at the comments section of the JAR NY Magazine article.
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Hippo Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Please feel free to have a go at him. He seems to have some sort of reasoning problem.
I promised myself I wouldn’t respond to him anymore, but I couldn’t help myself.
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babzilicious Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
I did … for what it’s worth.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
We’ve been kicking his ass all day. I think he finally realized that all 3 of his recycled talking points are no longer working, so he’s definitely slowing down. And he’s still not answering ANY questions. Great job people!
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Hippo Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
To Bryan:
This is fun! I was scared before, but I feel a bit more brave, knowing that I am not the only one trying to knock some sense into him.
He’s not getting the issue of how the law takes precedence over a contract, and that an invalid contract is not enforceable.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Agreed, everyone really needs to check this guy out, I think he’s about to snap. My favorite reponse was from RealityCzech:
“Leekuan, are you saying that if you sign a waiver saying I can kill you and I do, it would be impossible for me to be prosecuted for murder? Have you heard of Dr. Kevorkian?”
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# 15 February 2010 at 11:02 am

Jean D said:
I tried some logic with him,but I think he’s really nuts.He says he studied martial arts for 20 years and he adores Oprah and The Secret. That Old Testament analogy was just weird. Hopefully, readers of the interview will look at the comments which have a lot of facts that have been presented against ray.
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# 15 February 2010 at 5:29 pm

Jean D said:
Not that studying martial arts makes someone nuts,just mentioning how he describes himself.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Anyone that reads his/her comments will completely know what you mean. :)
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# 15 February 2010 at 5:45 pm

Jean D said:
I think we can safely say that our buddy over at New York Magazine is not right upstairs. Not kidding.Did you read what he said about how the Secret and james ray helped him get his house that has walls so high he doesn’t have to look his neighbor in the eye? That’s certifiable. At least know that he does not represent a normal,average person. We were debating with a deranged person who even misinterprets the secret!
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# 15 February 2010 at 10:12 pm

Jean D said:
And,rest assured, no one in his condition would ever make it to a jury.
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babzilicious Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
I’ve gone ahead and reported about 20 of his posts as either “offensive” or “off topic”. Enough is enough, now.
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Jean D Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
I agree.I’m done with him.Not a valid debate. But we got some points out there and stood up for the deceased and the other victims of this debacle including Bryan Neuman.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 12:40 am
Thanks everyone for the support. I’m reporting him as we speak. It was fun for a while, but he crossed a serious line. That was VERY disturbing.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:56 am
You know he’s just going to post the same 3 crazy talking points over and over until he pushes all the logical posts off the first page. We could just mess with him every other day and post our talking points over and over until he’s off the first page. That might be kind of fun.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:56 am
…and completely ignore him of course.
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# 15 February 2010 at 10:15 pm

SD (author) said:
I watched the NYMAG craziness going down.
Ya’ll won for sure. Great job!
Personally :: I wouldn’t lobby too hard to have those agressive comments removed. This thing is drenched in a strange kind of crazy … I think that nut-job was illustrating it quite nicely {although “it” seemed mostly like an attention whore}. The dead cold tone of the interview in the article … plus the reasonable and unreasonable comments … it paints a picture of something very strange.
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# 16 February 2010 at 1:12 am

babzilicious said:
@ SD – You know, you have a point. It is a strange kinda crazy, and speaks volumes to this person’s Lord and Master. Mr. Ray must be so proud of his student!
I hung in there as long as I could and put in my two cents’ worth, but I’m not going to comment to him any further. I fought the good fight, and now I’m done.
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# 16 February 2010 at 10:39 am

Bonnie said:
That site that Yakaru posted a couple of days ago regarding the sale of James Ray’s house seems to be an old page – it says that the house was sold on 3/20/2009, so that was probably when he bought it, not that it has been sold now.
Just a FYI.
Carry on!
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# 16 February 2010 at 5:21 pm

Bryan Neuman said:
To Megan and Josh, I hope you think of Liz Neuman and what you put my family through every time you see your own Mothers and I hope you have problems sleeping every night like I do. You deserve everything you’ve got coming. You had a chance to make things right, share the truth, and honor your immunity contract, but completely blew it in my opinion. I can’t believe I ever shook your hands.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 23 February 2010 at 9:05 pm
» Four Funerals and a Wedding said:
[...] dream of pyramiding full time.  Of course they had no downline of their own :: but Megan had thigh touching privileges at JRI :: so success was sure to follow. They were even made honorary members of the [...]
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# 4 March 2010 at 5:23 am

asbestos survey said:
I read about James Ray and the sweat lodge deaths. This Megan woman sounds like a brainwashed fool. Just because she has immunity it doesn’t mean she should actually say anything. People have died here so her lies and bull aren’t welcome.
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