Ms. Leadingly False – Our Newest Accountant
Poor Poor Perry Belcher :: Barred by the terms of his probation from participating in False and Misleading Sales :: His life’s passion {along with making other people suffer :: and nude quilting}.
The fine State of Tennessee gave him a second chance that he didn’t deserve :: I hope he honors their graciousness and doesn’t go right back to vicious self serving lies :: That would be a real slap in the face … and you shouldn’t slap people in the face who have the power to drag your fat ass to jail.
:: Let’s inspectify his recent sales-y-ness ::
1. $56 million sounds like a ridiculous lie. My robot guess would be that his lifetime online scam revenues total well less than half of that. When his assets were seized at the peak of his scam :: Their value totaled less than $1 million. There aren’t a lot of overhead costs in the “Telling Lies” business :: Had Evil Jowls actually moved this much “product” :: He would have had far more impressive BoyToys when Johnny Law stormed through the door.
2. He’s paying for this ad on Facebook :: So I refuse to believe that “ober” is a typo. He’s stupid … but he’s not that stupid {is he?}. Not-so-subtle subtext == “I’m a regular old dummy just like you :: Look I barely write better than a fucking orangutan :: But I got rich anyway :: And you can too!”
3. Of course :: if you click through he isn’t going to tell you he made his Internet Monies by lying to sick people and making up doctors :: He’s not going to tell you that his strategy harmed countless numbers and risked his own imprisonment. He’s not going to tell you that he burned though most of the money :: Or that he never felt ONE FUCKING MOMENT of true happiness. He’s just going to wink :: and nod :: and start charging your credit card.
Making claims with specific numbers is stupid dangerous when you are barred from false or misleading sales. Numbers are deliciously falsifiable :: Lie about a number :: And you’ve lied. Math doesn’t leave room for propaganda excuses. Yet :: in his infinite unwisdom :: Perry splashes his frauduct sales materials with numbers ::
“Now you can see exactly how I make more money per
email than 99% of the “internet marketers” out there.”
And you know this how? Everyone in the biz sends you their tax returns? That would be helpful as you are required to report them {and ALL of their websites} to the government. How nice :: I would have thought they’d be pissed to learn that you were reporting them and their dubious marketing activities to the authorities. I guess “internet marketers” are a close knit and helpful bunch. Inspirational :: {vomiting french onion soup :: and hot dogs}
“I made $94,798 using this last month…No shizzle”
This email was sent in June :: And that number is to the dollar specific. He says he “made” 94k :: so he references his reportable income … not just his revenue. And it’s attributed specifically to his “Social Media Money System” :: so Twitter and Facebook :: FREE clicks! Not clicks he paid for via expensive {and dangerous} paid advertisements. And not clicks generated by having an extensive affiliate system … or via the dubious cross promotion of other “top” marketers. I offer a heart felt golf clap to Mr. Belcher for keeping specific enough records so as to facilitate the production of such a number. It would require some fancy ass math :: And the claim refers to just “last month” :: So he implies epic genius REAL TIME accounting practices. /golf-clap /standing-o
Either that or he’s lying? You decide :: Occam’s Razor
“On page 13 I explain how I make $43K+ every month as a BYPRODUCT of just one of my 3 Big tactics.”
43k per month just as a {all caps} BYPRODUCT of one of his tactics. Every month :: Impressive. And again :: I nominate Perry Belcher for the Nobel Prize in Specific Accounting.
“52,693 people have expressed interest in this training by opting in for one of my reports/videos…
12,982 of those folks have joined the “Cut In Line” list, and…
16,265 people have registered for tonight’s webinar”
Really? All easy numbers to check. Let’s close our eyes :: click our heals together :: and hope that someone does.
Perry Belcher :: Your scamming days are almost ober.
>> bleep bleep
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:: read one now before you die of stupid.
The specific numbers are supposed to lend an air of credibility to the claims. I read somewhere that using fuzzy numbers leads people away from trusting you. Basically using a specific number like "12,982" is supposed to be more credible than "almost 13,000." I don't know if that's true or not, but thanks to you and your blog I now take every piece of copy that I read from any marketer with a tablespoon of salt.
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LOSER!! ::
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How the numbers are made up.
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Dear Salty,
You're right about a lot of stuff and wrong about quite a lot too.
Stuff your right about:
I was a turd. The way I did business in the past was dead wrong. I had no business being in the health industry, and I made claims that were way over the top.
I was as slimy and car salesman-like as they come, working under the lie that many marketers tell themselves…”everybody else is doing it” (and they still are).
You also right that I made a deal that kept me out of jail and at home with my family. The deal was everything. The government took everything I owned over approximately $3700 in total claims. They kept the rest and I got to go home.
Even further, you are right again that I am not writer. I do not share your gift with words that you do and I never will. I have a piss poor education and have no need to be eloquent.
Now, for the rest….
My numbers do not lie, but yours are misleading. My sales have been well documented (by the government) long before I decided to published them, and are conservative.
These are gross sales numbers, and sure even a fart-smeller like you realizes that most businesses only keep a small, average 1-2% of their gross to the bottom line. So painting a picture as you do that I claim to have netted $56M is totally false.
My claims are always that I have SOLD $56M worth of stuff online, and much of those sales came in other non-health businesses (like Craftstore.com) and actually pre-date my health company.
Our webinar numbers are VERY easy like you said to check and the published numbers are far below the actual ones as those where published mid-launch.
I currently teach ethical and transparent marketing via social media. I show people what I did in the past, how stupid I was and even use my own story to warn people what will happen if they are dishonest with their customers. So I am teaching the opposite of misleading or false marketing tactics.
As you already know everything I do has to be closely reviewed and monitored by the courts and I share all my sales and marketing materials with them on a quarterly basis and have since the settlement.
Here is the part I don't get…
Why are you so hell-bent against marketing teachers? I don't know you but you seem like a bright and interesting guy, so what about teaching people how to market their businesses better really gets your goat?
Not much sells without marketing, people wouldn't have most jobs without marketing. So what's the master plan? Destroy all marketers, crush the economy and then what?
For what it's worth you've almost convinced me that helping others may not be worth the pubic criticism of extremists whose sole purpose is to cause harm, especially the ones in a dogooder wrapper.
You have shown that a bloody pulpit can indeed get attention, but what value comes from your work? Who do you help…or harm? At the end of the day are you really worth two shits?
Please enlighten me.
Perry Mark (That's My Middle Name) Belcher
P.S. If you have any legitimate advise on how I can make my marketing even more honest, sincere, transparent etc… I'm all ears.
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Hey Perry!
Do you recall having dinner with me at Stompernet Live 7?
yes, we sat beside each other…the "VIP" Dinner? Do you recall any of our conversation?
I do, to the "letter" ~ we chatted quite a bit…I will give you a little time to think on that, try and recall the evening…
I will see you back here!
unless of course you can come up with a better plan to meet {chat }
~Karin Hiebert
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Here is what I don't get.
Businesses offline, or online don't go around spreading the good news of their fortunes being made.
people just don't give a shit about what you make! or have made…they care about themselves…throwing numbers of income around is just plain stupid! IMHO…
Not sure, if I were to say to people, clients, potential clients that I "made over a gazillion dollars" in my business {hairstyling} if that would make them want to be a client?
it really is all irrelevant…
but what do I know, I could be wrong and often I am
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KarinHairDresser Reply:
January 3rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Karin… I am not sure if you tries to play dumb or what… on your webpage… YOU writes “Karin Hiebert is a leader in the hair fashion industry and is one of the “Top Ten Hairstylists in the World” excelling in creativity, people skills and effective communication skills.”
You replied to Belcher (Though I despise a scum like him… but I also despise a hypocrite like you…) that ” people just don’t give a shit about what you make! or have made…they care about themselves…throwing numbers of income around is just plain stupid!”
Even though on your website you did not say what you make, but you know people give a shit about you being a leader in the hair fashion industry…that is why you put the statements there…
Come on since you are the leader in your industry, you must be very smart?
PS: BTW, where do you buy your hair from? I think my daughter told me that she came across one from eBay…
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I do remember the dinner Karin, I don't remember all the conversation but I do remember it as pleasant. What's on your mind?
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Hi Perry – Welcome!
In answer to your thought provoking question as to what value comes from the Droid's work, and who he is helping, allow me to share my humble opinion.
Value – the Droid is hilarious, and laughter has much inherent value (especially laughing at evil – it makes it less powerful). Helping – people like me, random office schlubs who have something to chortle over as they sip their morning coffee. (See also fupenguin.com – different set of bad guys, but every bit as entertaining)
It's just a joke guy, although I can see why you might not think it's that funny. But heck, if a few scheming schmucktards (who think apologizing for making "claims that were way over the top" somehow equates to apologizing for blatantly lying to the sick and poor by fabricating doctors and results and thereby increasing suffering of said sick and poor), go down in Keystone-esque fashion the midst of all the hilarity, well then, bring on the popcorn. This is one hell of a good show!!
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Pleasant, Yes…
Our table consisted of; Yourself, Ben Mack, David Schirmer, Benjamin B. ( Schirmer's side kick ) ETC.
{strange as I knew NOTHING about Salty-~ yet these very people were the ones I later read about!}
We all agreed on ONE thing;
"The Chicken was Good!" ~ that part was pleasant!
it may be time for a few new blog posts…refresh memories including Ben Mack and the whisper campaign of the orchestrated standing ovation for you…
AND the four letter word Stompernet did not want Ben Using! and it did not start with an F…
one of THE most educational {REVEALING} seminars that I HAVE EVER ATTENDED IN ANY INDUSTRY…
they say you learn more from people "after" the presentations, or in the "hallway" or at dinner…
yup, there is truth to that!
no worries though, none of it has ever been discussed WITH anyone! and probably never will…
the meal WAS great though, wasn't it?
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Hi Perry,
First of all, kudos for coming on here and commenting. If I may, I don't think that the droid has been harping against marketing in general or against marketing teachers. I don't believe that he's harping against people that want to help other people either.
I think his beef is with deceptive marketing or with marketing that is perceived as being deceptive. If you engage in marketing that manipulates people's hopes and insecurities and then takes advantage of people's naivete and desire for a better life then, "you're a turd" as you said and you'll be on the Droid's radar.
I think that who Droid helps are people like me. People that are perhaps too naive and just want to believe in their dreams. The service that he provides is valuable to me in that it helped me get my head out of the sand and not take everything at face value.
I don't agree with everything that Droid says or does, but that's neither here nor there. I don't agree with everything that you say and do either, but I digress.
I share Mike Young's opinion about you in that your tale is a cautionary tale about what can happen when you go down the wrong rabbit hole. "Every one else is doing it" is not a valid excuse. You know when you're lying and when you're taking advantage of people and you should know that it's wrong to do so.
Ultimately, everybody makes mistakes. I think what matters is to make right the wrong and have you learned from your mistakes to be able to recognize them and not make the same mistakes over and over. That's more a rhetorical question than anything else.
I've said my peace. Thank you Droid for this blog, and thank you Perry for coming here and commenting. I don't know what made you come here and comment today, but I respect you for having done so.
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Hey Evil Jowls :: Thanks for stopping by … come here often?
1. Don't call me dear … a'ight sweetheart?
2. PR 101 — This is how your defense against me should have STARTED :: It wouldn't have worked because I can see your evil heart :: But it would have been a strong opening move. Using it at this point in the game is just pathetic. Civil Discourse :: Almost last on your list of strategies right above –> "Grab a 50 pound bag of flour and run for the panic room."
3. Interesting how that is the most literate thing I've ever seen you write. Maybe instead of a "good ol'
boy" you are actually a dark and sophisticated sociopath? just wondering …
4. I assumed that the reason you got off so light was an inability to find victims willing to come forward. $3,700 out of $20 million {or whatever} would be worse than I would have predicted :: But still not surprising. The system :: and the D-bags {that's you!} :: make coming forward very unpleasant for victims. That sad fact is in NO WAY exculpatory of your actions. Every fucking penny you collected for those six years was fraudulent and harmful. And guess what? Next time the law comes knocking at your door … I'M GOING TO BE THE ONE tracking down the victims. My audience might not be as big as Fox News Memphis or the Commercial Appeal :: But it's much more "targeted" {as you wankers like to say}.
5. I get that the $56 million is a revenue claim. That particular claim {even if the figure itself is correct} violates your parole by incorporating the Selmedica money :: Which was 100% criminal fraud :: into your online sales figures. You claim to be "teaching" people how to make money non-criminally :: So every time stutter out your "$50 to $100 million online" BS … you mislead people :: You lie to them :: You steal from them. Your criminal activity can't be a part of your "sales figures." Duh!
6. Perry Mark "The Ice Cream Guy" is a pseudonym :: It matters not that it's your middle name. On HotDog Guru {and Curb Painting} you gave no name at all. All seven of those sites explicitly violate your parole terms. I've spidered them all :: your welcome.
7. I've never accused you of "teaching false and misleading marketing tactics." You don't "teach" anything at all. You lie … and take money. You don't know the first thing about actual marketing. Had you been forced to rely on marketing within the rules :: You'd have starved to death two decades ago.
8. "For what it's worth you've almost convinced me that helping others may not be worth the pubic criticism of extremists whose sole purpose is to cause harm, especially the ones in a dogooder wrapper."
Helping others? WTF Guy? That doesn't even pass the laugh test. You take multi-thousands from each victim. You've never "helped" a single person in your life.
9. I will make no attempt to measure {or proclaim} my own worth :: I'm an insignificant speck in a giant universe that I in no way understand :: And may god {if he/she exists} strike me dead if I ever start thinking otherwise.
10. I do have some advice for you {free while supplies last!} :: Go away right this second. Give refunds to your current "customers" :: and pledge not to sell things online until the end of your probation period. Respect the state, the law, and the fact that your actions cause real harm to real people. State publicly that you have seen the light :: And that you've decided it's per se unethical to sell "info" products that cost more than text books written by world class authors {$75}.
Do these things :: and I will immediately halt all efforts to bring your transgressions to the attention of the authorities.
Otherwise :: I'll see you in hell.
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What Jason is Offering is as Good as it Gets!
"Best damn reply to comments that I EVER did SEE!"
Surprisingly unexpected!
~ but then Jason surprises me a lot! ;-)
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I appreciate that you've continued your readership after the boredom set in …
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What a self-righteous little fraud you are. The only amusing thing about you is your talent for unintentional self-parody.
Bleep-blurp, etc.
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Good points Rafael ::
I concur that I'm not harping on marketing … or marketers … or teachers … or trainers … or even sellers of useless products. I'm against deception, cult of personalities, lies, exploitation of hope, attempts to obscure or silence the truth … and MOST of all … predatory pricing which leaves gaping holes in the lives of others.
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Self-righteousness is the right angle for attack :: It's certainly the flaw on exhibition here. But try to be snappier about it … or else YOU will bore ME.
Here :: let me help you –> http://www.saltydroid.info/bad-robot/
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Karin ::
Sounds like you know something I don't :: I can think of quick remedy for that ….
PS I don't care about the quality of the chicken … robots only eat bacon.
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I have a very hard time believing that the remarks from Perry were actually written by him. I've seen the kind of garbage he puts out (Get Money from Google) and his emails and that is cleary NOT his writing style.
Did Deiss write this for him?
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Oh Karin, DO TELL us more about Belcher and that Stomper Net meeting???????
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and you are. of course you are.
people want to learn from someone they trust, specific numbers help someone like Perry attain that trust.
if you were teaching people how to run a hairstyling business, then the success of your own would OBVIOUSLY be a factor in them trusting you.
just like if you said you were the hairstylist for holywood stars, you would get more business as a stylist.
don't let your short sightedness and bitter thirst for misguided revenge blind you from the obvious.
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I believe the missing element here is called "tact".
Publishing your income to the masses is a cry for attention. Disclosing your success to a valid, qualified business partner is leverage.
Don't let your unbiased-bias blur the lines between good marketing and great business.
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The guys that came up with Europe's third-largest social networking site right after myspace and Facebook sold it to Yahoo! for a whoppin' two million Euros.
A friend of mine, who has been voted Asian Entrepreneur of the Year several times, has got about 30 million in saving plus his production lines and real estate.
All three of the above have been reported about in national and international economy newspapers and magazines. Just sayin'…
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PERRY BELCHER!!!! If it's the REAL YOU on here, won't you please explain other "misunderstanding" about your background. Your LINKED IN profile lists that University of Kentucky as education and I've seen it listed on other sites.
I don't doubt that you've taken a class or a few at a local community college run by UK in attempt to gain admission there, but I VERY HIGHLY DOUBT that you've attended the University of Kentucky and doubt you could even gain admission if you tried. Hence, my community college guess about you.
This doesn't jive with what I've heard you say on calls. Come on Perry, if it's the real you, enlighten us and tell the truth. Can you do that?
Did you really attend the University of Kentucky in Lexington, Ky as a student? Why don't you correct your profiles out there and list your high school or community college that you did actually attend?
Mark my words, Belcher won't come back here to address this issue.
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Your words are marked Harvey. I am a community college kinda guy. I dropped out of high school a couple of weeks before graduation and opted for a GED. I did indeed attend the University of Kentucky in Paducah, Ky http://www.engr.uky.edu/paducah/ but only for a brief time in 82 & 83.
There is no drop down for the UK campus in Paducah or I would have listed it. I have NEVER pretended to be an educated man as you well know, so I kinda fail to see your point. Anyway, there you have it.
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Jason,
You made a few good points.
First: My $56M career sales claim, while factual does indeed include sales from Selmedica, and that’s wrong.
Based on that I have decided to remove all career sales totals from my ads. If I ever decide to ever use career sales numbers in the future any sales I made from Selmedica will be removed from that total. Point taken.
Second: Oddly, I see part of your point on pricing. It is sad as hell to hear stories of people who have dropped their last dollars on a multi thousand dollar course to only stuff it under the couch.
I never fail to tell people that their results will be based 100% on there effort, just for that reason.
Plus, my publisher, Infomastery, who sells my products, has the most liberal refund policy in this whole industry and basically anyone who can send an email requesting a refund gets it.
That being said, there something called personal responsibility.
Recently, predatory lenders gave sub-prime home loans to people who shouldn’t have taken them, causing a housing melt down. Who was at fault?
The lender? Yes, but to say the person signing the dotted line, knowing full well that they couldn’t make the payments were victims is horse shit.
In your post you show a screen shot of a disgruntled customer on from my Facebook fan page, which by the way I can’t find under that date…
I know you had to fan through over 200 positive posts on that page to find one dissatisfied $27 customer, come on.
Many of my students are successful, some wildly so.
Truth is, most people who buy most marketing courses and actually use them have positive results, some life changing, but when they choose to watch Lost re-runs instead of putting a plan to work and subsequently get no results, all the sudden the guy who sold them the course is a scammer.
Your $75 price cap suggestion and comparison to a text book is absurd. Yep, you can buy a $75 text book at any University in America and then pay some guy called a professor, who probably makes less than my barber, $14,000 a year to read it to you. Then, 4 years later swimming in debt with a head full of out dated, useless information.
Wow, you just won the right to go look for a job.
Fact is, $2000 is a cheap for a real education in internet marketing. Maybe you think mine is not, my guess is you’ve never even reviewed any of the material.
As for me, I have completed a few small trainings that will sell for less than $100 each over the next few months and then I’m out.
I have already submitted the work to my publisher or I probably wouldn’t screw with it to be perfectly honest.
You have convinced me that I’m much better off to keep what I know between my ears than to share it with a world of critics. Too bad for those who could have used it. Congrats
Bad news is, you’ll have to find a new crash test dummy.
Here is the interesting thing, for a person who seems to have strong convictions about the rights we all have to free speech, you seem desperate to thwart mine. Selective?
Perry
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I could not have said it better!
oh,,, heck maybe I can…
The professionals don't find it necessary to use repeated {use-less} income statements to gain the trust of people.
No need for the professional to name drop ~ celebrity or otherwise {confidentiality ~ ethics thing} or Number $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Drop as far as income {tacky, low, insecure}
~ Sure, share SOME "credentials" when asked for or, when and wherever appropriate.
Far more effective if you are in the second circle…where people blow YOUR horn for you.
Ironically my OTHER favorite blogger Seth Godin had this post today;
http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/09/t…
Standing on a the soap box or other platforms…shouting;
"I MADE and MAKE X$ Dollars a Year, do Celebrity xx Y and Z, have won EVERY possible award, biggest clientele, and, and, and…Isn't my {my in italics} style~ Even if it IS True" ;-P
Let others blow your horn for you…
seems to work…
Great idea for a blog post! Thank You!
p.s. ABSOLUTELY NO {misguided} Thirst for "Revenge"
bitter or otherwise
No Revenge at all, GRATEFUL, Not Vengeful…
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Perry, it looks like you may have attended "West Kentucky Community and Technical College" or whatever the community college system was called back then.
I visited the site that you listed above but that is a prgram in collaboration with Murray State and the community college. Further, it states that those programs were initiated in 1997 and your dates above show 82 and 83. I have pasted the exact words from that site at the end of this comment. How do you explain that?
Why don't you tell the truth and list the correct college name and city?
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Salty Droid wrote "and MOST of all … predatory pricing"
Are you serious? PREDATORY PRICING?!!
We're not talking about a necessity like water or food in a hurricane dude (and even then demand should rightfully dictate price but that's another story).
Anything these marketers sell is an OPTIONAL purchase if there ever was one. No one NEEDS an info product. Anyone stupid enough to pay $2k for info from someone they know ONLY through online advertising and trust that someone because of artificial social proof and authority… has a RIGHT to be stupid with their money if they wish. It's far from predatory pricing if someone is willing to spend it and are not FORCED to do so.
If you want to talk about PREDATORY PRICING let's take a good look at YOUR supposed profession.
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BELCHER LIES continue:
Mr. Belcher….can you explain this from this the site http://legacy.westkentucky.kctcs.edu/aboutus/pcch…
In 1968, Paducah Junior College became Paducah Community College (PCC) as part of the University of Kentucky Community College System and served an eight county area. Dr. Donald J. Clemens was appointed Director, and under his leadership, the curriculum, the services, and the campus grew.
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continued from BELCHER LIES: In 1991, Dr. Leonard F. O’Hara became President. Under his leadership, the college and the community raised over $8 million to construct an engineering building on campus. This program is part of the University of Kentucky College of Engineering. In 1997, PCC became part of the Kentucky Community and Technical College System (KCTCS). In 2001, construction on the newest addition to the campus, the Challenger Learning Center, was started and opened in the summer 2002.
Also in 2002, Dr. Barbara Veazey was named the new President of Paducah Community College and CEO of the West Kentucky District of KCTCS. Dr. Veazey was the fourth President of PCC and the first CEO of the District.
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it's Paducah Community College that is part of the Kentucky Community and Technical College System KCTCS.
Belcher didn't attend the University of Kentucky.
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Yes, When I attended it was Paducah Community College, and extention of the University of Kentucky…and…now it's the University of Kentucky. This is dumb
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Perry Belcher is a LIAR!! Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
@Perry Belcher,
Perry Belcher has proven himself to be a complete and total fraud time and again. The man will misrepresent himself in any way to make money or increase his perceived status. He has ZERO morals whatsoever!
The crazy thing is he is still peddling his useless products with Ryan Gayboy Deiss.
It is amazing Perry is not rotting away in prison somewhere. There are people have done far less harm to society who are sitting in jail right now.
Let it stand for the record: PERRY BELCHER DID NOT ATTEND THE UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY. HE ATTENDED PADUCAH **COMMUNITY COLLEGE** FOR WHAT HE CALLS A “SHORT TIME.” WHY HE LISTED UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY AS HIS ALMA MATER ON HIS LINKED IN PROFILE ONLY SHOWS ONCE AGAIN THIS MAN WILL DISTORT ANYTHING HE CAN TO BENEFIT HIMSELF.
I feel sorry for Perry Belcher’s family. His kids have to grow up thinking, “that’s my dad?”
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It is dumb Perry…unfortunately you have put yourself in a position of public and private scrutiny…
This is what happens when someone breaks the law and is charged with a criminal offense~
Returning to the industry, or returning to the very place where the crimes "took place" it is very possible {temptations} to re-offend. In fact the possibility is QUITE high!
Every move you make will be monitored by others, let alone parole…
There is no need to go into the convicted child molester analogy…or is there?
Curious as to your thoughts on that?
P.S. You and I can chat about "transparency" another time…carry on our conversation from dinner that evening! ; )
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wise up Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 5:39 am
@@KarinHiebert, much like a pedophile child molester, Perry Belcher is sick and cannot stop, even if he wanted to. It’s just that his sickness is expressed in molesting people financially. Same psychological process, different physical expressions.
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Karin Hiebert Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 6:09 am
@wise up, Agreed. Couldn’t be more true. Once they see or discover how easy it is to abuse/use people… and they have successfully done so, its hard for them to stop.
Even if they get caught, they may stop for a little while… (maybe)…
it’s in their blood, it’s in their psyche, it becomes a part of who they are…
- and, it is ALWAYS about fulfilling their needs.
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Captain Hooky Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Karin and brevity is polar opposites, arrrgh. Methinks you ain’t never met that be-utiful word, “succinct.” Back to ye own blog with ye wind and ye sails, Karin, ye scurvy!
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Dumb? I consider you the dumb one. It's very easy to look up on the web. Your listing as having attended the University of KY is a DAMN LIE and reinforces your criminal past and convicted felon status.
People lie about education and degrees on their resumes all the time in pursuit of a better job, but being self employed you had no real reason to do so. Your so called "employer," Ryan Deiss, could care less, I'm sure.
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Perry Mark Belcher,you ought to be more than ashamed of yourself for causing people problems,having to have credit cards cut off to stop your billing because you didn’t honor returns and kept on billing them. Your stuff is crap,and the naive consumer doesn’t know to do this in depth reseach until they’ve bought it because you’ve tried to dominate google with your crap blogs to push the news reports on your arrest down in the results where people won’t look. I wish I’d know about this blog earlier and i’m glad people like Salty Droid keep reporting on you and your scams.
I also saw where you have old affiliates who didn’t get paid, and you haven’t paid them back after you got of jail.
Your a evil scammer, Evil Jowls Belcher, and they should have kept your big fat as* in jail where you belong.
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Saltier Droid Reply:
September 11th, 2009 at 4:33 am
Do you need a handkerchief? I'm sure I heard a sob. Did you steal any of Belcher's work from this site?
How do you feel about encouraging thievery?
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I emailed you PB :: Too busy to read my emails after all we've been through together? I'm hurt.
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Don't worry. I'm going to make it interesting for you.
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No, Harvey, it is you who displays no understanding of how state university systems run. Are you having fun bashing Belcher? Did you steal any of his work from this site?
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Is it "supply and demand" that prices an info product at $3000?
Do girls in short skirts deserve to be raped?
Do people who pick a dentist from the phone book deserve to have a root canal done by an unlicensed pretender?
Do tourists visiting the "authentic" section of Juarez without a guide deserve to be murdered and left in a dumpster?
… and don't "YOUR" me about lawyers :: I offer them no defense :: I can name 20 off the top of my head who are doing far more damage than all of these info marketers combined
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Perry
It doesn't matter how much you say or write about how you have changed, you are known by your deeds and by the people that hang around you.
As Karin mentioned previously, the company that you were with included a one "David Schirmer". That tells me more about you than you would care to know. Schirmer is a well known and documented conman/scammer in Australia, and he came to be in your company for one reason only. To improve his skills in taking money under false pretenses. Schirmer runs 2 scams, "Stock Market Trading" and "Personal Development", 2 areas in which he has no skills, yet he continues to this day in stealing money off unsuspecting people. Schirmer looks up to you to help him in this regard. Lets hope he stays in Australia and doesn't venture over here….we have enough of these people as it is, you included
Birds of a feather……..
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[...] mostly BS :: and it’s already been addressed with bluster. Go read it if you haven’t {link}. The comments are way better than the {mediocre} [...]
Never?
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The stuff YOU put out on the web is that much more readily available, and very easy to find more now than ever…
and if you use keywords, links, etc. correctly…you will "pop" up on Google or in other ways. Isn't that the intention in this case anyway…people finding you and finding out things about you?
if you {meaning in general anyone} want people to believe, and trust you…be careful what and how you put it out there…its easy to find inconsistency, consistency, in all you do…or say…
the whole I never said blah- blah about X,Y,Z, is just plain dumb…especially if you wrote it at some point in a bio or otherwise…
The "school debate" is a small measuring stick that someone saw as another "look, you lied/exaggerated,mislead etc."
Really does ~anyone~ care at this point where you went to school, or what it is called now??? just askin'???
~Why am I thinking about Kentucky Fried Chicken?~
Where you went, if you went, isn't the issue for the readers…
IMHO perhaps it is another "look you lied/mislead etc. about this as well" that's all…
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You miss the point chuckles. Stupid people don't deserve to have their money stolen. If you take someones money based on lies :: that's stealing. That theory dates to the beginning of common law.
It's not a good idea to walk around the street late at night dressed like a slut. But if some dirty beast is unable to control his urges … then the slut-y-ness of the costume is moot … and the beast goes to jail. Crimes made attractive by the flaws of the victim are NO LESS crimes.
When selling to the stupid :: The bar against lies should be higher not lower.
Mental force is a weapon wielded far more frequently :: and to much darker effect :: than physical force. If you are a libertarian … you're aren't a very good one. If you want a system to be reliably self controlling … then the rules must aim to eliminate informational asymmetries.
Supply and demand is in quotes because you imply there is some kind of market at work here. I imply that there is not. It's just a ghetto ass racket.
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You are ENTIRELY CORRECT Karin! It's the fact that it's just another typical Perry Belcher lie/fabrication/misrepresentation. Belcher and his cronies avoid this point!
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Nice!
Okay :: Point taken :: SOMETIMES he's pretended to be an educated man. But he's NEVER pretended that he hasn't sometimes pretended to be an educated man.
Oh wait …
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This whole University of Kentucky smack down has brought me unexpected joy :: Great job fearsome commenters :: Wildcat Pride FTW!
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"It's just a ghetto ass racket."
Which is just like the lottery (a racket) which- due to it's massive profitability has been taken over by state govs.
Your defense of stupidity is… STUPID.
If you buy something over the internet – FOR ANY REASON – maybe you should check out the seller. Don't need a gov license to verify. Don't need social proof to verify. Maybe you need to know someone YOU REALLY KNOW to give you some verification. Maybe then the Internet and the morons who surf it and buy $2000 information products from people they don't know and have never met (and that Salty Balls is here to protect- cough) would be OK.
"Cough one more time please"
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Thank you Harvey for "Entirely Correct" and YOUR support (along with the others) it confirms that some of us are definitely on the same page…
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wasn't Kentucky Fried Chicken called Champ's Chicken at one time?
just askin'? cause I am still thinking about chicken…
so its bacon for you my friend? we can chat this upcoming week!
as always looking forward to it!
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Keep the pressure on and keep on pounding Belcher about this UK fabrication he has on his Linkedin profile and others he has out there until he changes it.
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People should be more careful :: And less stupid. I agree. But so?
That lessens the evil of exploitation by precisely zero percent.
It's like you're arguing that pimps aren't bad because whores shouldn't be whoring. It's ignorant :: wake up!
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How come every reply to me ends up with rape or some sort of sexual exploitation?
I fail to see the parallel between rape, sexual exploitation and people buying an information product over the Internet.
Now I do understand fraud and if what is being sold uses material misrepresentations to make the sale then that is FRAUD but it is still in no way even close to rape or sexual exploitation.
And ho's choose their pimp – don't you know that :)
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Sex crimes are FAR more serious that "white collar" crimes :: Totally agree.
I'm just exporting your defense of badguys into areas where your "blame the victim" cat crap seems more absurdest.
It's not okay to exploit people. Period.
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I agree it's not OK to exploit people but I don't think I understand what definition you're using for the word "exploit."
I simply don't see how selling an info-product (for any dollar amount) is exploitation.
As I said before if the product isn't delivered or there are material mis-reps then it's fraud and that's an entirely different story. However, if I want to sell shit on a stick for $49.95 and someone sends me a check for $49.95 I don't think that's exploitation as long as they know it's shit on a stick.
As to:
"Sex crimes are FAR more serious that "white collar" crimes :: Totally agree.
I'm just exporting your defense of badguys into areas where your "blame the victim" cat crap seems more absurdest. "
I'm relieved. For a moment I was thinking maybe when you were young your uncle slapped his dick in your mouth while a Carlton Sheets infomercial was playing in the background.
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By the way…
I'm certainly NOT defending bad guys.
Perry Belcher sold fraudulent "health care" products to sick people. No defense for that.
I'm simply attacking your argument on pricing of information products. An argument that doesn't make sense and hurts your cause.
This advice from Robert Greene seems appropriate:
"…an attack on another man's reputation is a potent weapon, particularly when you have less power than he does. He has much more to lose in such a battle, and your own thus-far-small reputation gives him a small target when he tries to return your fire. Barnum used such campaigns to great effect in his early career. But this tactic must be practiced with skill; you must not seem to engage in petty vengeance. If you do not break your enemy's reputation cleverly, you will inadvertently ruin your own."
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Fair enough :: However … I'm attacking specific assholes here … not making broad generalizations. Maybe some info products can be sold for $2000 without resorting flagrant lies, misrepresentations, and the exploitation of hope. But the people I'm writing about here have all done just that … and plainly so.
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Right on my BFF;
FOR YOU Mock~
YOU will BE Mocked Baby…oh how you will be mocked…!!!
My thoughts right now could not BE RACING ANY faster, OR my heart pounding any harder!
OMG! DID I SERIOUSLY read that right?
You FAIL TO SEE Whaaaaaaat?
You HAVE got to be kidding??? do you read this blog? before you open your mouth in any forum, do your fucking homework!
You {BABY} would benefit from the following;
a. your social network marketing skills need to be evaluated.
b. you need to make friends with a VICTIM! OF ANYTHING!
c. you need to learn the definition of RAPE.
The one analogy that people kinda get is one about RAPE, it's bad, horrific, you envision violence…and more.
Rape is not always violent. Rape often begins with seduction, and kindness, and hand holding…
it is often "calculating" and the rapist knows just what the fuck he is doing, or about to do…dragged into the nearest ditch, you trusted him, he was even nice…
think marketers seduction "tactics" you know the ones…
The rapist is a slimy marketer, a sleezy cars salesman…yes, the ambulance chaser lawyer, the sleeze balls we all know of, They all rape. They even rape their industry/profession…they strip the industry or profession that they chose to be in…
they couldnt give a shit about their client…or the person behind the buck…
like a rapist doesnt CARE about the "person" he is damaging. It's all about his satisfaction…
The seduction dance, which leads to rape is exactly like info products.
the child pedophile with pictures may use them for his own satisfaction…
and you can bet your bottom dollar, that if he went into the sex (child) pornography
COMMUNITY with intent to sell these priceless pieces of product…that he would equally get his rocks off by SELLING the shit!
I just looked over my shoulder at the other monitor and saw the latest comment you left for Salty…
you are a perfect example of the shit we are all talking about here!
and I am not even done mocking you Baby…there are far too many of you out there that just DON'T GET IT!
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Karin,
I'm assuming you've been a victim of physical abuse or possibly rape.
For that I'm sorry. No one should do anything to anyone's physical person without permission. PERIOD.
However, for you to translate a physical attack into every area of your life is certainly a very damaging way to go. Damaging for you psyche and damaging to your credibility.
There IS NO CORRELATION between someone giving someone money for a product and RAPE. NONE.
Please stop. It's ridiculous and cheapens the reality of what other PHYSICAL ABUSE VICTIMS have to go through.
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Also Karin –
What exactly does this mean:
"You {BABY} would benefit from the following;
a. your social network marketing skills need to be evaluated."
My social network marketing skills? What am I marketing?
And I'm sick of people talking about "social media" (Twitter, Blogs, etc) like this is something new. I started on BBS's in 1980… moved to online groups in 1994… and have used "social media" throughout. There are no "special skills" for "social media." It certainly ain't new. And it's extremely simple… you write things – other people read them and react. You get the reaction you want or you write another message. It really is THAT SIMPLE.
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it isnt the physical attack that is the problem it is the mental, emotional, and non physical rape that is the biggest problem…
the one where you know damn well that you need to seduce your victim first…unless you are simply the violent rapist…
come on…you think that the physical attack is what is damaging?
its not,,, its the betrayal, the trust, or possibly your shame or guilt for being so stupid to be in that situation…
you were the like hopeful, trusting one…you were done by a manipulating marketer who can actually brainwash their "victim" or I mean the new marketer that is just trying to make some money…
MY CREDIBILITY? I AM DAMAGING my credibility?
My Salty might say::You don't have a clue what you are talking about Pork Chop!
Like I said do your homework!
I will leave a "tweet" or two about my damaged "credibility" from the event I am attending this week…
damaged? hardly…stronger and more credible than you could ever be in your lifetime…
so please "baby" Stop~because you are embarrassing yourself with every comment…
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well that's the smartest thing you have said yet!!!
it is really that simple!!!
real SIMPLE, NO ONE should pay for that simple common sense education, that is packaged up in an info product that is needed…
yes, there really are some special skills~you could do remarkable things with these skills…
well maybe not you…
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what are you marketing?
Yourself! you, we, no matter what you are doing YOU are MARKETING yourself!
that is what you are marketing :: ALWAYS!
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Damn I think I lost a comment Salty! And it was a great one!
ahhh, maybe it wasn't meant to be…or maybe I had a farrrrrrrrrrrrrrr better comment for Mr. Mockery!
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Listen Karin I don't want to argue with you.
If you choose to redefine or massively expand upon what the word RAPE means (and hence make the word meaningless) that's fine.
The betrayal, the loss of trust, the shame and the guilt happen AFTER someone PHYSICALLY FORCES YOU TO DO SOMETHING AGAINST YOUR WILL.
Seduction? Nothing wrong with that. UNLESS it leads to someone FORCING SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING AGAINST THEIR WILL.
See the common thread?
This common thread does not translate to buying an info-product. No one is forced to buy something (OVER THE INTERNET NEVERTHELESS) against their will.
Now understandably you may feel misled or taken if someone scams you but to relate it to RAPE (the real definition – not the one you're making up as you go) is ridiculous Karin.
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Your right it is absurd AND ridiculous!
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You have it spot on Karin! Word of mouth (not word out of mouth) is what makes the most successful businesses people. While you can lead a limited number believing in you, by "word out of mouth" advertisement, it is a flawed approach, and quickly will die. Word out of mouth is what "used car salespeople" use.
On a side….Speaking of word out of mouth (for those that may not know), the "If you fail, it is your own fault webinar" of Maria Andros just came out. Maria Andros is preparing her clients for failure, while attempting to stave off unhappy clients (it's pathetic), with the Andros' "it's easy to blame others" (as in Maria Andros, the teacher) approach, and attempting to stop her clients from dropping out. That is one of the reasons she spreads her course over 10 weeks while only giving a "30 day" refund (it's because of the 80/20 rule)….80% of the people will actually come to their senses once they receive and realize how worthless the information she utters is, and request their money back, but the "course" takes you past the 30 day refund period.
If Maria Andros believed in her course, her money back guarantee, would follow the course information, not preceed it. It's the type of money back guarantee tactic used by the shady direct marketing companies of the 80's (some of which are still around today). 30 day money back guarantee from time of purchase…please allow 6 to 8 weeks for shipping….
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yes, Cartman it is the MOST POWERFUL, most effective and most sought after form of advertising…
BECAUSE it WORKS "REAL" WELL!
"REAL" in quotes because their is also "fake" word of mouth…or out of mouth…we see it all the time…most people see right through it…most often it lacks genuine sincerity…
~kind of like the video testimonials that D.K. has his "students" do for each other, and having them be SURE to mention "D.K." or his 90 day challenge – boot camp or BLITZES in their testimonials for each other and him…{social PROOF}
D.K. IS a "Guru" marketer salty has written about …
Maria Andros was a good little student of Dennis Karganilla…she learned well,,,or she was a partner in that…
who cares…
point is- there are a lot of fake things happening in this "industry" and too many people claiming crap and getting away with Murder…
oh, sorry, not really murder, maybe rape…NO NOT that either…just sayin"
ok gettin away with garbage…damn words and analogies…
I liked that ~Word out of {big} Mouth…
~with REAL "word of mouth" it is, and sounds different :: than word OUT of mouth…
something EVIDENTLY cheezy and sleazy about it ..
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wise up Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 5:54 am
@@KarinHiebert, whats up with Dennis Karganilla these days? Heard he was banned from Youtube, had too many refund requests for his FRAUDUCTS and now he’s http://www.startingoverfromscratch.com/. He went and made a Facebook account with a whole new set of friends and followers on Twitter. Dropped the ones that wanted requests like flies and didn’t pay. Lot’s of people are angry.
Dennis Karganilla was also a Kilstein boy.
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KarinHiebert Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 8:30 am
@wise up,
DK= False Testimonial Videos
False Testimonial Videos = FTC
FTC= DK Panic = REMOVE All Videos.
DK= Follower= Local Business Marketing
starting from scratch= Bullshit
~ How’s that me Captin’ Hooky!???
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Captain Hooky Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm
@KarinHiebert, Sorry Karin, ye fail again, arrrgh. To use ye own convention:
Excessive line spacing (just like ALL CAPS)=”look at me”
Space bein’ a terrible thing to waste, ye scurvey. Even me parrot says, “Karin needs to learn how to get in and get out, squawk!”
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KarinHiebert Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:19 am
@Captain Hooky, Thanks for the lesson on How To Comment… however, if you say these ( … ) are a no-no, then you need to f… off.
K ?
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hahaha…yeah I know of Kargorilla….lets see if I can correctly remember the progression of his lies….he went from mlmgoldmine claiming 400K in six months (same as his "buddy" James, who made 400K in less then 24 months…but it was 300K in 24 months just 6 days earlier..and as always I included the proof), that later changed to 1.4M in 10 months (remarkably no new students)….then the name changed to lights camera cash. Then he and davis attended a "Carbon Con pro" seminar, where it was told to the people it was a 30M business in less then a year….the video below vocalizes this lie clearly at 19:45-19:59 time marker. I don't want to put anyone through the pain of watching this whole video.
February 3, 2007
http://web.archive.org/web/20070202030238/http://…
"How My Buddy James (The PPC Junkie) Brought-In
Over $300,000.00 dollars In Less Than 24-Months… Without Having To Sponsor A Single Soul In MLM!"
February 9, 2007
http://web.archive.org/web/20070209012125/http://…
"How My Buddy James (The PPC Junkie) Brought-In
Over $400,000.00 dollars In Less Than 24-Months… Without Having To Sponsor A Single Soul In MLM!"
Everyone makes 400K online?
http://www.squidoo.com/mlmgoldmine
And in only 4 more months, he made 1million dollhairs
http://web.archive.org/web/20080208125217/http://…
[youtube HjOl_Z0Oqh4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjOl_Z0Oqh4 youtube]
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clarity Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:29 pm
@Cartman, oh wow all of the information has been removed from the links you posted.
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Mark Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm
@clarity, Says it all, doesn’t it? (Of course, there are also LOCAL archives and screen caps that will NEVER go away.)
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:47 pm
@clarity,
those bastards….here you go…they isn’t gonna beat me…
“Here’s How I Raked-In Over $400k In Sales In Less Than 6-Months Flat Using Free Web 2.0 Websites Like Squidoo, MySpace, and YouTube!”
http://web.archive.org/web/20071021051741/http://www.squidoo.com/mlmgoldmine
“$1.4 Million in 10-Months Doesn’t Lie!”
http://web.archive.org/web/20080208125217/http://mlmgoldmine.com/
Same bizarre progression andros accomplished…29K in 6 months 100K in 10 months….I have the video where she is being “interviewed” in the restaurant and telling “us” (in Nov 2007) how she made $29K in the first 6 months (her mannerisms are indicative of someone who isn’t being honest)….no mention of marketing…no mention of ebay…no mention of real estate investing (straight from her “boss from hell” to here)….no mention of ANY other “internet” income all of that came later on…..and just happened to be again 100K in 10 months (audio interview with Yaro Starak)….Must be the MLM formula small amount in 6 months…then no mention of anything…then when recalling the past big income at the 10months mark….my guess…nobody was supposed to dig a gawd damn thing up….
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clarity Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 11:09 am
@_cartman_, ewww Dennis Karganilla is just as idiotic as Maria MANdros. Can a person get any more stupid? I won’t trust anything Dennis Karganilla puts out ever again. Goodie thanks for cartman
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Some info products go for a lot more than $2000. Case in point:
https://store.cmpgame.com/category/64/Research -$2.500 for a 9-page report.
or http://www.forrester.com/rb/research which has variable pricing from $500 and up.
Business-to-business products always tend to be a lot more expensive than business-to-consumer, and technically these guys are in the business-to-business market.
Well, realistically they're mostly business-to-consumer and they're in the business of selling entertainment and wish fulfillment fantasy material to people dreaming of making a big work-free score. Very few of them are as useful as – say, going to community college for a night class in accounting or startup entrepreneurship.
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Speaking of Maria Andros, the super stupid, she emphasizes in her videos and sales copy that she will only deal with “positive like minded people” continuously when she’s pimping her upcoming opening like a big red flag.
She’s also careful show and refer to status objects like a Chanel bag and BMW in her photos and videos. She mentions living in beach home but interestingly we never see photos or videos of her in it, only photos of an office. She sells the “glitz,” Beverly Hills office, her Red Carpet shindig coming up in Beverly Hills. There’s also a not too nice area of BH.
Despite the big snout of hers and not too attractive looks, I guess to the fat, ugly old men like Belcher and Harlan she’s hot and that’s who gives her the attention.
It appears that if you’re short, dumpy, overweight, ugly and even one of the dimmest bulbs, you can make it big in the online world. No experience required. Belcher, Deiss, Harlan and even the really short former used car salesman Mike Fisaime, another big Maria supporter, are PROOF of that. Add Maria and Carrie Wilkerson to that too since it applies.
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Cartman Reply:
September 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
hahaha…..the Slums of Beverly Hills….good movie… and so true, there are "slums" in every city.
Can't speak of her "relationship" with Belcher or Deiss, but she pimps Filshamie (that kangaroo affiliate site) and Harlan's events (finger tactics), and they pimped her crap to their list, mutually exclusive benefit for the conmissions.
The ironic part is Maria Andros is to imbecilic to even practice what she pr(t)eaches. Her videos have no value, she tweets nothing but "self-aggrandizing" tweets, link after link after link, to one worthless video of hers or another. RT'ing nothing but the empty praise from the same 2 dozen or so individuals (students?). Sorry to say, but her "students" have to be the dumbest rocks in the box (after the lead rock that is…must give credit where credit is due), to not see the dichotomous disconnect between what she "says" and what she does. The only value she adds is the fact that she spends the money she steals from her students.
Her falsified ebay history (amounts and times changes as the wind blows), her creatively created past, except for the make-up art thing (it's clear she make-up everything), which was confirmed by others in the industry, and the fact that she doesn't just "allude" to it, and actually mentions the employer MAC (which I believe is an acronym for Make-up and Artistic Cons) . Unlike her other jobs which she only vaguely alludes too (note NO company names, no show names). My favorite quotes;
"You may have seen me on television as I was interviewed by various shows and hosts for the companies I worked for." – Maria (pinocchio) Andros
I still have a crew trying to decipher this butchered paragraph (I assume the "shows" she means hosts of these fantasy shows). If anyone can decipher the last line (after the …)please help;
"I went on Television and was interviewed by all the different shows. Anyone else would do just about anything to get on television and be seen by millions of people but not me….. because I am so down to earth that for me it was fun but there is so much more to me than that." – Maria (pinocchio) Andros
Is that sparkling as in "look at the pretty reflections", as her bobble head bounces in the wind ;
"My Boss was also older than me and obviously intimidated by my Sparkling Personality and Youthful Energy" – Maria Andros
Note the qualifier -Imagine-….all aboard the train headed for imagination station…choo….chooo
"Imagine being hired and sent to train with all expenses paid for three months to two other cities for one of the most successful companies out there in the Fashion World." – Maria Andros
Wait a minute….wasn't it cosmetics industry she claimed…now its the fashion industry…hmmm…..ahh okay…..multiple streams of imagination….don't put all your imagined success in one basket.
"I have worked for the #1 companies in the Fashion World and was the Lead Marketing Director and Ambassador in charge of training and opening of new markets & product launches. " – Maria Andros
"So I was a Make-up Artist for ten years and worked at M.A.C. Cosmetics and the other leading giants in the Cosmetics Industry. I was also the Marketing and Public Relations Director for the Vancouver market for two separate companies and was responsable for all the PR and marketing." – Maria Andros
Who knew you could have more then one number 1 company…..who'd a thunk it….oh yeah…a make-up artist.
Then she states she started "making up" her ebay figures (doesn't "making up to" indicate a maximum figure and if you take 4,800 x 10 you get ….$48,000..that's far from 6 figures in 10 months…especially when two months as she mentions in her video are 1,300 and 1,800);
"I am also blessed to be a Real Estate Investor earning Six Figures Annually, a Life & Business Coach and I have even had a successful Ebay business where I was making up to $4800 per month just as a hobby on the side just for fun ! That is only a few of my residual streams of income." -Maria Andros
An at home Real Estate Investor, translation…she played monopoly online;
"It gets better I started working from home and became a Real Estate Investor making six figures .I started thinking outside of the box and how I could make money online at home." – Maria Andros
"Thanks for stopping by my MySpace page! It's Crazy as I do not have a clue how you found me or got to this page but I believe there are no coincidences in life. "
At least she was honest about one thing; She definitely has no clue….
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Manic Maria Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 11:14 am
@Cartman, after over a year of talking to herself on youtube and twitter is Maria MANdros able to tell the difference between real people and imaginary ones? She’s pretending someone told her she could be a beauty queen (the Universal Mine maybe???) Guess she’s reading these blog posts about her appearance and it’s getting to her.
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
@Manic Maria,
She’s “reading” (directly or indirectly) no doubt about it…whether or not she cares what people say about her appearance…your guess is probably better then mine…but considering that a pear (fruity) of shoes means more to her then integrity…you may be absolutely correct (that and she clearly states it on her myspace page (link below…but who can tell what’s the truth and what is a lie with these chronic bullshitters)…
Hahaha…no way….the universal mine speaks no evil….now she may be confusing the voices in her head (or invoices)…with that of the Universal Mine….as to the claim regarding who “labeled” her a “queen”…well she created it…..butt…she attributed to her father (that story came after people started thinking she was full of herself (it was damage control it didn’t “surface” until 2008)….ironically enough…her story on myspace alludes to less then optimal “praise” from parents and teachers ( http://www.myspace.com/angelsglow77 )….but again….the one story is created to show she is not “full of herself” (which she is) ….and one is to show she can relate to people being told about not being good enough (it’s a piss poor attempt at empathy, in order to gain trust, and sell em)…..she’s dizzying
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:attrurhBXu4J:mariaandros.com/about-maria-andros/
“The Making of a Queen…
Previous to her career online, Maria worked for some of the largest cosmetics and fashion companies in the world. She specialized in increasing brand awareness and profits, generating over a million dollars in revenue, at a time for some of these corporations. Working 10-12 hour days at times, making her employers rich, started taking a real toll on her health and spirit. She knew that there had to be more to life than this.
Maria’s father used to tell her while growing up “You’re a leader not a follower, and “You’re a queen, walk like a queen.” Little did she know that that would give her the confidence she needed down the road. Knowing from a very young age that she had gifts, like we all do and something to share, she knew that she wanted to become an entrepreneur. Her dream was to be financially free, but didn’t know how to make that dream come true.”
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August 4th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
@_cartman_, Maria’s probably some rich guys’ black sheep of the family who’ve disowned her for never having done anything honest all her life.
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Hey Cartman, you really have Maria Andros down to a tee. She hasn’t been as active on Twitter lately though. Gee, I wonder why?
Her dumb as a rock students can’t seem to understand that all they are doing in her program is making videos and tweets praising Andros – and paying her – to be able to do so. Hell, there are enough free sites and programs here on the web to learn how to make a video for free without shelling out 3k or whatever her program costs.
The thing Maria teaches is to make the dishonest tags to get views. Harlan got a ton of views for a video he tagged with Obama tags during the election. He spouted some bs about nlp or something related to Obama in it to justify the tags. Sure he got views, but how many clicked off of it after they discovered it was Harlan and what is was about and I don’t believe Harlan made any claims of money made from that video.
One of the most laughable students praising her lately was a guy named Brian Williams I believe. He raved about how he was able to get his internet consulting business up to the top of google for his selected search keyword phrase “internet wizard” or something like that. Do you really think that’s a phrase most will search for serious internet consulting help?
Maria’s fan base seems to be a lot of REALLY HOMELY, DEFINITELY STUPID, and UGLY MEN and a few women.
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From make up cosmetic girl, oops I mean make up artist, to CON ARTIST.
Cosmetics and make up seem to be the right profession to be in to become an Internet Marketing Success.
Big Fat Carrie Wilkerson was a Mary Kay sales girl and Maria was an allegedly MAC sales girl.
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