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Crapbuster said:
Ryan Deiss epitomizes the world of “Let me show you how to get rich by selling people information about how to get rich.”
Has he ever made a single dime selling ANYTHING truly tangible and useful to the average human being, besides ‘get rich in your underwear’ crap?
It’s amazing that anybody still falls for that hogwash.
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Carlon Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 5:32 am
@Crapbuster, I do’t know why you have trouble believing that people fall for that crap. It’s a tried and true system. I’ve even given you the step by step. http://dontstepinthepoop.com/how-to-go-broke-getting-rich
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# 19 May 2010 at 8:36 pm

ItsPeopleDammit said:
I wonder how long his pictures of celebrities will be up once they various celebs are notified he is using their likenesses to promote his product?
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YahYahSister Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 am
@ItsPeopleDammit,
My thoughts exactly! Especially Oprah.
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# 19 May 2010 at 10:21 pm

Zombie Hatchery said:
What an outstanding idea by Ryan Deiss. No one has ever come up with it before — except they have.
The US Patent & Trademark Office (those pesky gub’ment bur’crats) reveals that Ryan Deiss’ exciting new idea is a fracking zombie walking the earth for the third time (with bonus decomposition in values + free stench).
In 1998, John Poston (San Antonio, TX) hatched the “Idea Hatchery” filed a service mark registration for it in 1999. The concept was so successful that the mark was canceled six years later in 2005. However, Mr. Poston apparently remains dedicated to the concept because he registered the domain name IdeaHatchery back in 1998 and has paid for it through 2011.
Poston was even committed enough to set up The Idea Hatchery, Inc. Shhh…don’t tell him that Ryan is piggybacking off (borrowing) the idea just up the road in Austin.
But wait. There’s more.
J.B. Christensen (Santa Monica, CA) recycled the “Idea Hatchery” by filing for a service mark in 2009. The zombie rose from the grave until just a few weeks ago when Christensen abandoned the mark on May 10, 2010.
Two days later, “Idea Hatchery” rose from the grave (like Jesus!) when Ryan registered MYideahatchery.com on May 12, 2010.
If Ryan borrows and repurposes a zombie, what will he do with the ideas he receives from suckers who pay him $500?
Perhaps the USP is “Pay Me $500 And In Just 21 Days I’ll Steal Your Idea.”
WINNER!! ::   +19
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SD Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
@ZombieHatchery ::
Classic! He can’t even come with an orignal idea for stealing other people’s ideas.
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# 20 May 2010 at 12:05 am

_cartman_ said:
Well I think this says it all:
This is NOT my first rodeo. I already have successful partners that I have funded that are now in the money. Some earn over 7 figures a year and I have made those partners rich and I have become richer in the process…
For example:
* XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.com
* XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.com
* XXXXXXXXXXXXX.com
* XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.com
There’s nothing more solid then unverifiable “proof”…I guess his modesty precludes him from giving exact detail (which could either be verified or nullified) of his greatest suckcess stories.
PS – note to Deiss: Did you not get the memo? The rest of us are in DT (daylight time) not ST (standard time)…it’s actually been happening now for a few years…and get your landing page team to fix the site to work on 1920 pixel wide screens…your site falls apart at that resolution ….it looks like it was coded by a retarded poo flinging monkey …oh wait a minute….that RPFM will be provided at great discount to fuck up my site…oh yay….boneus
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SD Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com
Put it on your resume TODAY!
– Raised profits by XXXXXX in just XXXXXX XXXXXX
– Improved overall morale by implementing a XXXXXX jobs at work policy while spreading XXXXXX XXXXXX for twice as long as XXXXXXX
– XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX
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# 20 May 2010 at 1:02 am

Hinkley said:
LOL. He’s tired he says. He’s tired of people waking up to his bullshit and having the common sense to ignore his ass. A formula for business just as proven as Oprah’s? WOWWW. Is this fact or fiction? Who gives a fart, it’s a picture of Oprah and it’s not cool to question a picture of Oprah. Just because it can’t prove anything doesn’t mean you can’t use it to make it seem like it does. LOLOLOL
Whoever wrote this had one too many enemas and woke up cross-eyed.
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# 20 May 2010 at 1:18 am

peeps said:
I am sure Oprah’s people would love someone to forward a link of Ryan’s site using her picture to sell shit. Her legal team is having fun with all the flogs pitching rebills with her pic so I am sure they have room for one more.
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ItsPeopleDammit Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 5:59 am
@peeps,
Isn’t the FTC cracking down on this as well?
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SD Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
@peeps et al ::
Ryan can add to his “Why I Have Insomnia and Chronic Diarrhea” list :: the fact that people from Operation Oprah are already occasionally lingering around here for much the same reason that Ryan himself lingers around here … they fucking HATE me! Oh the irony!
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Duff Reply:
May 25th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
They probably hate you ’cause Oprah was James Arthur Ray’s ticket to fame.
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# 20 May 2010 at 1:50 am

Joe said:
When are you gonna expose Mr. Frauduct Launch Formula Salty? Been waiting for that ever since you put that poll up ;)
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SD Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
@Joe ::
Yeah. It’s overdue. Personally :: I blame Call of Duty … it’s distracts me from hunting criminal cartels.
Someone tell me a juicy story about him that will make it irresistible {hopefully one involving nude pictures :: rentboy.com :: and bacon}.
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J Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
@SD,
You should do it soon. He is gearing up to launch version 3.0
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# 20 May 2010 at 5:03 am

.nate said:
He’s being really generous you guys. You don’t even realize the amount of strain this will put on him and his team. Especially considering only jobless people struggling with debt will be able to attend a 21-day play-date in a last ditch effort to not sell their children or kill them for food. Everyone knows jobless people have the best ideas anyways. I remember one time when I was jobless I came up with an idea to go job hunting to make more money. It totally worked.
For those planning to attend, if it’s all you can do to wake up and collect unemployment and the gears just aren’t spinning for you anymore, you may want to try sites like this: http://www.beforetheyhatch.com/
It IS extremely time sensitive because once Oprah sees the offer, it has to come down immediately, because she will buy up all the spots for her entire studio audience because they have so many great ideas.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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SD Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
@.nate ::
And hey :: you don’t even need no stinkin’ good ideas to succeed in Ryan’s uterus …
“And if it turns out your idea sucks I’ll help you come up with another one. The only real requirements are that we are always honest with one another and that you are passionate about helping people and delivering high value.”
… that and the $500 “no tirekicker” fee of course.
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.nate Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:49 am
@SD,
Ah yes, passion and high value. It’s strange how the word “perceived” is so frequently excluded. Perception in value leads to deception in advertising. There’s my idea.
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# 20 May 2010 at 7:13 am

mikefilsaimeinder said:
This is the new wave of internet marketing. The flavor of the moment it is called biz-OP! The sleaziest of the sleaze you see. It started with the JEff Walker PRoduct Launch Manager in the Fall. You need no business you take the 5k course and walker will get you people whose launches you can manage and you can make money off of. You do not need to be creating bring value yourself you just need to buy his course copy his methods and go get people and get them to pay you in this pure BIZ OP opportunity opportunity.
Then comes main street marketing machines more BIZ OP.
And Now there is the Ryan Dice BIZOP.
The Internet gurus are now sinking to the most desperate. They are sinking and desperate themselves to make money and this is why their promotions are more desperate and just desperate sounding to those that think they appeal to the suckers. They appeal to those that read the BIZ-OP magazines you go and see in the local Wal-Mart.
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Biz N A Box Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
@nate you have it all wrong pal. Ryan Deiss is a genie in a bottle. His genie brain brilliance has gotten me to wear shades,my future’s so bright. You all just jellis of celery-like success; watch us get rich with powerful, success-minded, high level, eschalon elite business ideas like:
*Giving your idea to a shady Internet marketer and paying him $500 for it
*Hotdog cart business – everyone loves a hotdog, so shove a couple in their mouth
*Side walk number painting business
*Selling oranges on the highway business – you can make six figures with this easy
*Doormat cleaning business – make a TON of dough cleaning doormats
*Professional Kitty Litter Cleaner – make house calls to clean kitty litters
*China importing business – import fakes and knock offs
*Video Marketing Queen business – alls you gotta do is sit in front of your webcam and talk. It’s so easy my 9-year-old can do it!
*Canine Dental Hygienist – everyday thousands of dogs have bad breath. Now you can change that by personally delivering dental cleanings to pets and their owners.
*
WITH THESE HOT BUSINESS IDEAS IT IS A SHAME THAT ANYONE IS STILL BROKE. I HAVE MADE 5.8 MILLION DOLLARS IN my own PROFESSIONAL ASS WIPER BUSINESS IN JUST UNDER 4 SECONDS.
I have wiped over 30,000 asses, all across the world globally. I’ve even made how-to videos explaining how to carefully wipe someone’s ass.
Just look at these testimoanials
“Joe Whoring Blowhole really knows how to wipe my ass clean. He cleaned every nook and cranny thoroughly, although I’m a hairy, fat and sweaty bastard. He is the expert on making tons of money with your business. Hire him now before the pros find out about him!” – Perry Belcher
“I was lost and confused before, not knowing how to create a successful business with success and celery-like followings. I knew I needed to know the inside of the insiders and get to the next level from my current level. That’s when Joe W. Blowhole taught me the art and signs and psychically of philosophically wiping asses of important gurus. He systematically revealed the secret of not just being a good ass wiper, but also who’s asses to wipe. After implementing all of Joe’s methods on the Great Doctor Kilstein and getting an education in hot, salty, yoga, vinegar ass douches, I became an overnight celery and expat on how to make 7 figures in the video marketing world.” – Maria A. Andros
There you have it. You are all just negative and jellis.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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SD Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
@mikefilsaimeinder ::
Agreed. But all of this stuff kind of reeks of BIZ OP anywayz. Social Media Money System was basically a Twitter BIZ OP. They try and dress these pigs up like “education products” … but they aren’t that. You pay $2000 – $3000 for a mystical unicorn opportunity … not for a book on tape.
There are biz op magazines at Wal-Mart?
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RunBrunsonRun Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
@mikefilsaimeinder ::
Don’t forget Brunson’s latest contribution:
http://localmarketingmyth.com/
He’s selling a generic internet marketing website that you can customize for various professions. You make money by selling membership to the site and then selling the leads to Brunson so his call center can try and squeeze the last penny possible out of them.
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:16 am
@RunBrunsonRun, That’s just micro-con-tinuity with a different dress on, and omitting the part about his boiler room calling your customers to sell them $5000 frauducts of which you get a 10% commission. Sign me up!
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YahYahSister Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 1:12 am
@RunBrunsonRun,
Awesome! Now crap will seep offline and it will be even harder to find local online clients…whoopee!!
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# 20 May 2010 at 9:21 am

Scrappy Doo said:
What a concept. You PAY Ryan Deiss to make money off YOUR ideas.
Isn’t that kind of like paying to work a job somewhere?
Even the greediest IM’ers aren’t quite that stupid, so he’s going to have to widen his net to include the truly naive, desperate out-of-work crowd.
THAT is exactly makes this kind of marketing truly revolting and sickening.
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# 20 May 2010 at 9:30 am

JohnCarltonRipOff said:
Dear Salty:
Is John Carlton clean?
The French have a saying that goes like this, “Dis moi qui tu hantes, je te dirai qui tu es”
Essentially, “Tell me whom you hang out with, and I will tell you who you are”
It appears that many of the people whom you so rightly criticize here are good friends with John Carlton.
For instance, Frank Kern is a friend of John Carlton. He has his picture and testimonial on John Carlton’s website.
Tellman Knudson praised John Carlton.
I almost forgot: The biggest star of this website, Harlan Kilstein, also happens to be John Carlton’s most “successful copywriting student”.
I could go on with a few more names who are on your website and who are also friends with John Carlton.
” Birds of the same feather flock together”. Is John Carlton clean?
Sincerely,
The guy who thinks John Carlton should be analyzed here, too.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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SD Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
@JohnCarltonRipOff ::
Carlton is bullshit :: no doubt. I recommend never giving him a god damn second {or cent}. If I see an attractive opportunity to tase him in the neck :: I’ll take it.
The French have another saying :: “Run, Run, Oh My God RUN!!! We surrender … and we’re keeping Algeria!” So beautiful and truthful.
Carlton = derivative hack
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Brian Reply:
July 10th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
@JohnCarltonRipOff,
Yes I agree John Carlton is a rip off. He never sent me his copywriting product and promised a 60 day money back guarantee and then refused to
refund. still waiting to get back the money back from my bank
Carlton has NO INTEGRITY
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John Carlton is a FRAUD Reply:
July 26th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
@JohnCarltonRipOff,
To anyone considering buying any of John Carlton’s products – DON’T. They are garbage. Allow me to explain…
His Simple Writing System program was a complete and utter FAIL. Carlton couldn’t even explain the difference between a benefit and a feature. Unbelievable! Just because somebody can write copy that sells obviously doesn’t mean they can teach people to do that.
He was so lost in his own bullshit in SWS he had to ask David Garfinkel what the difference between a feature and a benefit was. How did David do? Not much better. And these guys consider themselves not only top-notch copywriters but the world’s best copywriting coaches. Give me an Effing break!
John Carlton has made a living selling bullshit that doesn’t work. He has written a gazillion sales letters for golfing products that he swore up and down made him a better golfer (using a pen name, of course), yet the man admits to being a horrible golfer.
Let me get this right. John watched these golf instruction videos, went through them meticulously so he could write “irresistible” copy, and yet he didn’t learn a damn thing from them enough to improve his golf game? FRAUD is what that is called!
Plain and simple: John Carlton is a huckster. He doesn’t give a damn about you or your success. All he cares about is funding a nice retirement for himself. I used to read Carlton’s blog a few years ago, before he became an Internet Marketing Whore (IMW). Back then he used to get one or two comments per post.
Then he sold his soul to the devil and started JVing with the rest of sheisters, and before I knew it I had trouble differentiating Carlton from the rest.
These comments are from someone who has purchased and returned John Carlton’s garbage products. I found his products to be all hype and promise and NO substance.
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Uncle Roy Reply:
July 26th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
John Carlton sure loves to milk his past connection to the late Gary Halbert. And of course he alludes to his prior successes, whatever they mysteriously were.
Basically when someone buys this stuff (or any “guru’s” schtuff), they are really just buying some prancy “attitude in a box.” As if simply possessing it will somehow open doors for them. It might as well be wood shavings.
It seems good on the surface, like cologne, but eventually you go back to smelling like your plain old self, except with less money in your pocket.
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# 20 May 2010 at 12:05 pm

Muerte Al Cabrones said:
This is actually interesting.
As people bitch about hype, the “gurus” react with MORE and STRONGER hype.
An oldie, but a goodie that everyone needs to read is Seth Godin’s
“Permission Marketing”
11 years ago Godin predicted this type of thing… when ads stop working as well, the solution is to run MORE of them.
All these fuckers take it to extreme.
That’s why Deiss is running a new promo every week now for the latest and greatest product he and EVIL Jowels (I fucking love that, by the way) cook up in between hits on the autographed Frank Kern KoolAid tap.
He’ll either burn out his list, or make money, or both…. and Deiss’ll ride that horse out now til the horse is dead… and Perry Belcher can fuck (and / or eat) the corpse.
These fuckers can’t innovate much, so they repackage the same dog turd over and over in hopes of getting the last little bit of available credit off people’s credit cards.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 20 May 2010 at 12:51 pm

Dave said:
What’s the beef with Eben Pagan?
Isn’t he the only guru that actually can actually make money outside of the make money online niche? What am I missing? All of the other db’s only sell make money online products. Where are all of John Reese’s amazing niche sites that he talks about? Hell, at least I even saw a couple of Frankie Burns sites even though I know he is bullsh!tting his figures.
I need to be enlightened. I thought Eben was actually someone that could be trusted because he actually built a business outside of the make money realm. I guess I’ll steer clear of his products too.
The great thing is that out of every high priced product I’ve ever bought from one of these guys I’ve always got a refund back. After buying about 5 of these crappy products I finally learned my lesson.
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Duff Reply:
May 25th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
The desperate geeks who can’t get laid niche (i.e. the “seduction” or “PUA/pick-up artist” “community”) isn’t that much removed from the MMO niche. Both are shady scenes focused on learning human psychology in order to exploit people’s trust to get what you want (sex or money). This is the very structure of the con.
In a classic “interviews with dating gurus” episode that a friend shared with me years ago, Eben Pagan aka “David Deangelo” interviews a man who claims to have had thousands of one-night stands. This man explained his step-by-step romance blueprint which included having a victim over to his apartment where he served the same dinner, watched the same movie, made the same moves at the same time in the movie, and then moved to the bedroom…the same with every lady. Pagan, rather than calling this man out for literally objectifying these women and basically being a total asshole, praised this man for discovering “the structure of romance.”
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Ray Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 10:58 am
@Duff,
Eddie murphy had a similar scenario in the movie Boomerang. His neighbor Tisha Campbell outed him to all his dates that he brought home. Maybe that’s where Pagan got the idea from.
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Brian Reply:
July 10th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
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@Dave,
Eben Pagan’s Guru Blueprint is the absolute best program
for creating an information product.
seems everyone on this blog is only about bashing, which
is needed if appropriate, but give something useful or shut up
LOSER!! ::   -4
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SD Reply:
July 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
@Brian ::
Eben is garbage person :: serving garbage :: to garbage eaters. If you’ve had success from his “absolute best program” … then link to your successful :: non-scamming :: money making sites.
Additionally :: first time commenters aren’t welcome to tell other commenters to shut up. That’s my job. Oh yeah that reminds me …
Give something useful :: or shut the fuck up!
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David DeAngelo = Don't Get Laid, For A Fee Reply:
July 26th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
@Dave,
Dave, Eben Pagan a.k.a. David DeAngelo is just as bad or worse than your average IM guru because he is so good at concealing his ulterior motives. He successfully pulls the wool over your eyes by burying you in scientific data and hundreds of books you don’t need to read.
His promise is simple: buy my products and using the information you learn, date (and have sex) with more women.
Simple and straight forward enough. That is until you find it’s damn near impossible to find any guy in real life who has bought his products that has had any real success with women using the information they learned in his products.
Most of his followers haven’t so much as gone on a single date with a woman in the last six months, yet they are willing to talk your ear off about male-female dynamics, sexual attraction, and evolutionary psychology.
Poor guys! It’s pathetic. They’re being fleeced for their money without ever getting what they were promised – more success with women than they had before buying his products.
I talk from the experience of having gone through a few of his products, but more importantly, knowing many guys who consider themselves pick-up artists, although they can’t get a date.
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LOL pathetic Reply:
July 26th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
@David DeAngelo = Don’t Get Laid, For A Fee, tell that to Ross Jeffries LMAO
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# 20 May 2010 at 1:43 pm

Dave said:
One more thing…
I got an e-mail a few days ago from Jeffrey Walker. He is looking for case studies for his upcoming product launch formula 3. But…Back in December when the FTC and Testimonial crackdown began he said that he was taking down all of his case studies.
I just don’t get it! Stick to your word!
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# 20 May 2010 at 1:48 pm

mikefilsaimeinder said:
there are all of the syndicate scum bags in a phony video made for frank kern with add to cart on the side as a sublimimal trick for his controlled crowd herd
http://frankkern.com/?p=4
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_cartman_ Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
@mikefilsaimeinder,
Who is “Andrew”? Is that a reference to Jenkins? Gangsta? What a fucking tool he is.
http://andrewgangsta.s3.amazonaws.com/FrankKern-ManMythLegend.flv
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Biz N A Box Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:14 am
@_cartman_, ROTFLAO these people are egomaniacs. “Frank Kern. The Myth. Man. Legend” WTF Give me a fucking break. They are really trying hard to make themselves into important people.
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Duff Reply:
May 25th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
@mikefilsaimeinder, “Add to Cart” is the name of the infomercial–er “documentary.”
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# 20 May 2010 at 2:24 pm

Dave said:
So be nice to people. Holy sh!t. That is original. Thanks Frankie.
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# 20 May 2010 at 2:30 pm

SD (author) said:
Got a great idea and just need a little bit of money to get you going?
This seems a lot more fun {and innovative} than having Ryan steal from you …
http://www.kickstarter.com/
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# 20 May 2010 at 3:09 pm

Phil said:
Ryan Deiss is AMAZINGLY BOLD about taking the intellectual property and trademarks of third parties to present FALSE IMPLIED ENDORSEMENTS. He has done this time and again on multiple sites and continues to do so.
Number 1, it’s infringement, pure and simple.
Number 2, it is deception, because he is clearly attempting to mislead or hook people by inferring that he has legitimate endorsements when in fact he does not.
Remind everyone again how all this fits in with his make-believe Christianity act?
Oh, that’s right. That’s just another fake implied endorsement FROM THE VERY TOP.
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TheRevealer Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
@Salty — have you contacted Oprah yet? I think she needs the “Ryan Deiss” revelation.
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Austin Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
@TheRevealer,
In Ryan’s home town, there is a guy named Greg Abbott who runs a team of lawyers that get paid to destroy con artists.
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/index.shtml
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# 20 May 2010 at 7:50 pm

Rafael Marquez said:
I guess the restaurant isn’t doing very well, either that or this is an effort to diversify or something like that.
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Bob Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 12:08 am
@Rafael, What restaurant?
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# 21 May 2010 at 8:08 am

advancedNoob said:
This is just another attempt to get out of the FTC’s eyes. By pretending to be an ‘investor’, you can take people’s money!
Think about it :
FTC : Why did you take $500 from 500 people?
D-bag : I didn’t – it was the application cost to attend our event where THEY could pitch their ideas to get funded.
FTC : What?
D-bag: I was giving them money to help, not taking their money!!!!
FTC : lolwut? seriously? but you’re a known d-bag! even salty says so!
D-bag: Those were the olden days – now I hang with Oprah and other investor buddies (see her picture on my site!)
FTC : Umm…yeah, about that, Oprah is the one who contacted us about you using her name…
D-bag : Oprah…did I say Oprah?? I think you must have misunderstood…(frantically logs on to the site trying to delete the picture – failing since he knows NOTHING of how to actually do any of this stuff).
Meanwhile, in other news, Tellman gets exposed bigtime by another marketer in his own words!
http://www.copynprofit.com/gurugame/ – LOTSA FUN!
Tellman is the kind of scammer that needs to be written in newspapers about given the way he milked the ‘charity for youth’ idea to spend half-a-million on his own ‘road expenses’. Lying little twerp!
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# 21 May 2010 at 10:59 am

YahYahSister said:
More to look into:
Nick Marks – rips off other people’s crappy sales letters and products
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RunBrunsonRun Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 11:06 am
@YahYahSister::
He’s a joke. Check out his forex enterprise site. I love the fake newspaper article and the video testimonial from “Asdhgasdui Adskfughiau” (who gives a different name at the end). One of his other sites showed him winning The 2007 Internet Marketer Of The Year award. What ever the F that is?
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# 22 May 2010 at 1:14 am

The Spicy Droid said:
I’m surprised you haven’t picked on Mike Filsaime yet. He’s like the daddy of all these guru scammers.
Check this shit out, the guy got F’d in the A by the IRS recently: http://www.ppc.bz/hilarity/mike-filsaime-is-a-fucking-idiot
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Frank Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 5:56 pm
@The Spicy Droid, Dude, you need to get out more:
http://saltydroid.info/category/mike-filsaime/
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Mike Filsaime fucking idiot Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 10:57 am
@The Spicy Droid, as has been said so many times before, 10 year olds running a lemonade stand have more business sense than Mike Filsaime. He finally got busted by the IRS. YAY. Who’s next?
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# 22 May 2010 at 2:20 pm

The Spicy Droid said:
Also, I found a video of John Chow sucking another man’s neck… Yep, you heard that right…
You should post this on the blog. Answers all the questions I had about Chow ;)
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Zowie Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Holy shit, that’s weird.
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Hed Kandi Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:23 am
@Zowie, what’s so weird about two men loving each other? After all garden gnome Mike Filsaime and Maria Andros are just a happy example.
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Zowie Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm
@Hed Kandi, good point. Maybe Filsaime likes Maria Andros’ adams apple.
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# 22 May 2010 at 3:07 pm

This Post is Stupid said:
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I can’t believe I lost 10 minutes of my life reading this article and some of the comments at the top.
First – to everyone on here (including myself) – do something better with your time. You hating on Ryan Deiss because he’s made boat loads more cash than any of you is a reason you should look at his business models to emulate, not piss on. It is a fact he’s got more money than anyone on this forum, because if you had that much money you’d have better things to do.
Second – Ryan does have legitimate businesses. I am a member of one of his Forex membership sites. He’s also got a health business. He’s also got serious contacts in all those 3 niches (Forex, Health, Internet Marketing). Don’t believe me? Frank Kern vouches for him and Frank is not only respected in the internet marketing field – but by extremely reputable big industry people as well.
Third – Want to know what the ‘scam’ in Ryan Deiss’s make money products is? I’ll tell you. The scam is people pay for the products, go to sleep at night, and wake up and are still broke. Look, everything requires money.
Opinion on IdeaHatchery – you pay $500 and get a guarantee that Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher (2 rich dudes) are going to look at it! That alone is worth $500, plus they tell you exactly what to put into the plan that will make it appeal to them.
If you’re hating on this idea because it’s not ‘original’ that just proves to me your a poor hapless bastard. Hardly any ideas are original, when they are – they probably don’t work. More people (Ryan’s in here) make money copying other ideas and tweeking them, then they do inventing stuff.
Get a life. I’ll never visit saltydroid again.
LOSER!! ::   -6
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Idiot Alert Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 12:02 am
@This Post is Stupid, You aren’t the first total moron to worship Deiss and Convicted Felon Belcher, nor will you be the last. But the world is wising up to their flavor of bullshit, and your idiot worship isn’t going to slow that down!
That “Idea Hatchery” nonsense is such a one-way bullshit ticket it’s RIDICULOUS. You are a tool for trying to defend that preposterous insult to human intelligence.
Deiss’ so-called “products?” CRAP! Deiss packages up the stats and observations he makes while SELLING YOU GET RICH STUFF, and then…in turn…SELLS YOU THAT CRAP. It’s all circular! It’s kind of like him borrowing your camera, taking a picture of you, and selling that picture back to you for a ton of money! You’re a MORON for trying to defend that bullshit factory.
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This Post is Stupid Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 8:24 am
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@Idiot Alert, how much money have you made online? OK, nuff said.
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Idiot Alert Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 10:40 am
@This Post is Stupid, You asked the wrong person a loaded question. I have sold millions of dollars worth of TANGIBLE consumer products (NOT infocrap) online. I’ve spent far more just on PPC than the average person EARNS on a job in their lifetime. How’s that for qualifications? That makes me MORE than qualified to make the assessment I just made. “Nuff said.”
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This Post is Stupid Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 8:25 am
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@Idiot Alert, and how many of these so called ‘scammers’ products have you watched and seen? nuff, said.
LOSER!! ::   -6
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Idiot Alert Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 10:53 am
@This Post is Stupid, Plenty. When you have a growing business, you keep an open mind. But for the benefit of everyone else here, what I discovered was a lot of THEORY or limited-applicability knowledge REPACKAGED from other sources, often poorly, and at absurd prices. Ultimately, I found that my revenue grew faster when I did my OWN testing and analysis, and connected with MAINSTREAM (not get rich quick) business resources, vendors, and communities. I’d recommend the same to others.
When you get pounded with solicitations primarily emphasizing monetary keywords such as CASH, WEALTH, etc., RUN. If they emphasize the “lifestyle” aspect of running a business, RUN. Business is WORK. It takes MONEY to MAKE MONEY, no matter what anyone says. And, if you avoid falling for the get rich quick bullshit, you’ll have at least SOME of the money you’ll need!
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This Post is Stupid Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
@Idiot Alert, Ok well you said “I found that my revenue grew faster when I did my OWN testing” – I totally believe that. I don’t think anyone would disagree, not even the people selling the products you hate. Do your own testing! Every niche reacts differently to specific marketing messages.
And i’ve never heard Kerns or Deiss say that with their products you will “get rich quick” – all those are scams. On myideahatchery site by Deiss he even says: this is real hard work.
Look, all i’m saying is that for $500 you get to pitch a business plan to Deiss and possibly get him to throw $50,000 your way to actually do it – even if you’re making money online having that capital to back an idea is an opportunity. What’s more.. Ryan is putting money into these plans – that means he wants them to succeed as much as the person doing all the work.
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Idiot Alert Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
@This Post is Stupid, This is an infinite argument, but I’ll bite one last time, even though it is as futile with you as it has been with every Deiss apologist who has found their way here in the past.
Despite any Deiss “asides” that might mention “hard work,” his pitches still reek of blind opportunism, not to mention the heavy use of dubious implied endorsements.
Why, if he is on the up and up, does he work so hard to convince you to pay him to consider your ideas? Why the sketchy implied endorsement imagery?
I have some experience with VC firms by the way. I’m talking mega firms, massively larger than Deiss could ever dream of being. These firms don’t run sketchy ads cloaked in thick, syrupy bullshit. And, they don’t charge for talk.
The “idea hatchery” IS bullshit. The only thing certain is that Deiss gets someone’s $500. Beyond that, everything is skewed in his favor to make you bend over at his whim.
What proves to me that it is ABSOLUTE, TOTAL BULLSHIT is the claim that if you have a BAD idea, he will tell you, and then he will help you come up with a good one. That’s ridiculous! Why would he give you or anyone his OWN perfectly viable thoughts and ideas and THEN, share the revenue? I know *I* wouldn’t. No astute business person would. If you’ve got the ideas AND the capital, you’ve got the WHOLE SHOW. It just doesn’t make any sense.
If you have good ideas, you don’t need Ryan Deiss, not just because there are lots of potential partners out there that won’t charge you $500 to dance for them, but because Ryan Deiss seems to have his ear solidly tuned to one particularly questionable convicted felon.
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SD Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
@This Post is Stupid ::
“Get a life. I’ll never visit saltydroid again.”
stands up … turns back to computer
doritos
burritos
mt dew
“the whole thing is a scam? imagine the nerve of this prick. jealous hater! the whole thing is scam? fucking asshole … as if i would devote years of my life to a scam. fucking asshole!”
doritos
burritos
mt dew
“fucking asshole … he should be killed! but what if it is all just a scam? everything i’ve said to my family … and my friends … and all the “haters” … jesus christ how embarrassing. NO! this jealous prick faggot has no idea what real wealth is all about”
doritos
burritos
mt dew
“but still … he did say ‘one man gay ballet’ … that’s pretty funny. maybe i’ll just never go back one more time. fucking asshole!”
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Electric Toaster Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
@SD, That’s almost poetry. (Assign that to a hotkey for future bozos who say basically the same thing using only slightly varied profanity and zeal.)
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Ultra Valerian Reply:
May 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
@This Post is Stupid,
OMG! That pot-smoking muppet, Frank Kern, vouches for Deiss?
I better re-think concurring with Salty that Deiss is a total D-bag. LOL.
And you won’t read the Droid anymore? Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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# 23 May 2010 at 9:48 pm

_cartman_ said:
“Frank Kern vouches for him and Frank is not only respected in the internet marketing field – but by extremely reputable big industry people as well.”
Well fuck me….if one scammer can vouch for another scammer….well that’s good enough for me….where do I sign up…
I tried to tell these pigeon toed individuals….My online virtual pizza store will do fucking amazing…I mean all the virtual pizza you want for just $19.95/month (pizza continuity)….and unlike other virtual pizza stores…no fucking limitations (none of this you ordered a virtual pizza yesterday shite)….butt…they said no…..they said shit like “_cartman_, did you get hit in the head with a fucking 2×4″….it hurt me (not the 2×4…butt…their comments…I fucking cried)….then I realized….fuck…they are gelass….just gelass….my gawd people…can’t you see the brilliance!…seriously….
I presented my idea to Deiss…and he immediately saw my brilliance (and I saw his)…he added other things to my virtual menu…more organic toppings (for the vegan crowd)…goremay toppings and shit…the guy is a fucking genieus…he’s insink with the universal mine
let’s leave these miserable mofo’s to wallow in our grateness…
Wallow mofo’s; Wallow!!!
PS- I do have to confess that I did get the “big industry” memo. Frank Kern is probably more well known then Bill Gates, as a matter of fack….Frank Kern (aka The Frank) is more well known then Ronald McDonald….suck on that you MacNothing marketers….when children were shown pictures only 50% could identify Ronald….100% could identify Frank…huh…ohh…okay…never mind…butt…he is grate!
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# 23 May 2010 at 10:57 pm

The Revelation of Sandy Jenkins said:
Look out Maria Andros here comes your competition! A baby drag queen in the making http://twitpic.com/1q6wpt
Introducing the new and IMPROVED Sandy Jenkins!! Egadz! He’s going for the blond and butch Rosie O’Donnel look with a thrift store budget. Internet marketers are so damn cool! Now we just need Maria Andros’ horrid Marilyn Manson-like grimace, Evil Jowls’ half ass guitar playing and Irwin’s uh.. greasy hair and we’re in show biz!
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Laughin My Ass Off Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
That pic is priceless. Is he trying to be the next Andy Warhol? He’s on his way!
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American International College of Universal Business Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
@Laughin My Ass Off, a VERY well-FED and well-nourished Andy Wahrhola
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Laughin My Ass Off Reply:
May 25th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
Looking at Andy’s substantial girth, maybe Kern needs to teach him some “Mass Control.” (Har har.)
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stoic Reply:
May 26th, 2010 at 2:52 am
@The Revelation of Sandy Jenkins,
It’s probably more accurate to look on ALL these d bags as failed showbiz wannabes, putting on a performance and acting a part. The difference is that with actors or stage magicians we all know its a show, an act for our amusement and entertainment–these guys put all their effort into turning the audience into True Believers in the charade.
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mikefilsaimeinder Reply:
May 26th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
@The Revelation of Sandy Jenkins – that is the funniest thing I have seen all day. What a joke.
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6 degrees of seperation Reply:
May 26th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
@The Revelation of Sandy Jenkins, that pic is so damn gay. Two guys practically sucking face while the women are ignored and bored. ugh
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# 24 May 2010 at 12:03 pm
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[...] this Salty Droid, but his whole blog is about bashing gurus. For instance, this latest post takes Ryan Deiss to task for attempting to spawn off clones of himself (aka more guru [...]
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# 27 May 2010 at 10:01 am
Required Reading and a Contest « Adjoozey Network said:
[...] this Salty Droid, but his whole blog is about bashing gurus. For instance, this latest post takes Ryan Deiss to task for attempting to spawn off clones of himself (aka more guru [...]
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# 27 May 2010 at 10:14 am
Required Reading and a Contest | Internet Marketing Guide said:
[...] this Salty Droid, but his whole blog is about bashing gurus. For instance, this latest post takes Ryan Deiss to task for attempting to spawn off clones of himself (aka more guru [...]
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# 27 May 2010 at 12:02 pm
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# 27 May 2010 at 7:18 pm

John Anderson said:
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All the cynicism about Ryan Deiss is crazy.
If you go to http://www.cbtrends.com you will see that some of the top selling products on clickbank are using his exact powerpoint video formula…
Hmm, they are doing huge volumes in weight loss market…(no, not just Internet marketing) market by following Ryans Strategies.
And then, there is his sales in forex markets, and golf markets etc.
Instead of bitching about these guys, follow their strategies in a niche market and make some money.
But oh yes…it’s easier to bitch and whinge.
John
LOSER!! ::   -4
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Scammers Have NO Conscience Reply:
June 1st, 2010 at 1:04 pm
@John Anderson, More than a few killers over the last few decades have used “Charles Manson methods.” Some people also use “Kevin Trudeau methods” to sell (you know, the felon who is in perpetually serious trouble with the FCC for constantly ripping off people).
As long as someone’s “method” gets someone to hand you money, the person you learned it from is “just fine” in your book.
That makes YOU as bad as them, you amoral huckster. SCUM.
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Karmanic Health Reply:
June 3rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
@John Anderson, times have changed. It’s not good enough to be able to get away with things legally. Now people are considering ethics and holding you responsible for that too. In case you haven’t noticed, the Interwebz is waging a war. You sure you want to step into the line of fire? People have an uncanny ability to make men in uniforms with alphabet letters on the back appear at your door, all from the Internet. Your buddies and idols won’t help you in the end if it comes down to their freedom or yours.
Better think about your actions long and hard. Times are a changin’. This goes out to all of you who are considering a career in scamming and those of you who are still continuing. Might be better to just get an honest job and have peace of mind. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.
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# 1 June 2010 at 7:19 am
» Cupping the Balls said:
[...] is going to take his not-company public.  It’s a win win.  Unfortunately :: like Ryan Diess :: he doesn’t have any actual ideas [...]
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# 23 June 2010 at 4:14 am

Matt Connelly said:
Your writing style is hilarious, I never knew there was a blog dedicated to the Internet Marketing monkeys that we get a kick out of making fun of. You’re a bit harsh but I do agree Ryan is in it for the cash- but to some degree all of us are, maybe not that bad though!
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# 24 July 2010 at 8:20 am

_cartman_ said:
“TELL RYAN DEISS: What do you think of his latest turd? http://www.perpetualtrafficformula.com/blog/212/scholarship/”
Well, I think that he “reverse engineered” his grateness. I watched his two idiotic videos for shits and giggles, and then I went to “tumble” his formula.
His idiotic site is setup to rank for “perpetual traffic” (his high “alexa” ranking, result of a mailout to marketers with toolbars (to promote this crap)…
the term itself “perpetual marketing” has just come into being (searched)…why…because he and a bunch of affiliates just started searching it to see how their splash pages rank (which ironically enough rank higher then the king of crap…Deiss..he shows up on page 2 for his own term)…which is why the term doesn’t have any prior search trends…no local searches…and global searches are proportionately skewed (480….yeah I use the same techniques with proxies too)
…big fucking whoop…skewing numbers…easy as shit…take a look at what I did for Andros (sea bitch..I luv ewe) on Salty’s alexa rank…she’s #5 on impact factor (before I got tired and stopped)…she’s #1 under one month increase leaving everyone else in the dust…please..in reality…she wouldn’t be on that list…numbers mean fuck all….they can be molded to prove whatever the fuck one wants them to prove
Now, on the other hand….for the term “internet traffic” (without quotes) Deiss doesn’t rank at all (up to page 3…and I stopped searching…a term that gets 100K+ searches a month)….and on page 3 he (or one of his assfiliates) is a sponsored link for free “paid” traffic…..which reads
“Perpetual Traffic Formula http://www.Perpetual-Traffic-Formula.info Free report tells how the “Ranking Triad” get you tons of free traffic ”
Fuck me with irony….now that’s fucking funny….click on a paid advertising to learn how to get free fucking traffic….what fucking turnip truck did I just have to fall off to fall for that one? The king of free traffic and blackhat/whitehat gurudumb has to pay for traffic….why the fuck is that?
As to what he claims google wants….total bullshit….
I rank page 1 (position three) for Maria Andros in Cambodia. I rank page 1 position 9 for Maria Andros in the USA. 0 backlinks to the page, only one link on the page (to Salty’s site), and nothing but static content….visited by no-one except me and a few stragglers….kept on the DL to prove a point…..brought it from a 6.5M alexa rank on March 3 to an alexa Rank of 584,873 on May 29th (nobody visiting but little ole me..and a few of my proxy tricks)…gave up on it shortly thereafter and it subsequently dropped to 830K)
When it comes to ranking…content?…who needs it….when it’s a nothing term…all you need is nothing….
I rank page 1 both in Cambodia and the USA for universal mine….with nothing on the page….just a title…
15 Million terms in the usa 26 million terms in Cambodia (of course, understand that the results are the number of time those terms are used in pages together not the phrase…however it is the phrase that takes precedent in a search result…as the case with all the other “SEO” BS’ers who make you believe the big numbers mean something…they means fuck all…unless they are highly searched…in which case non of Deiss’s tricks or mine will work whatsoever)…otherwise it is pretty impressive ranking for a term that nobody searches (ohhh and the global searches for universal mine this month…320…thank you proxies…but me thinks this may have had some assistance from salty’s viewers)
source code
”
_cartman_- “The universal mine is for anyone who believes that whatever they ask for will delivered by the universal!”
”
So what do I think of Deiss? Well, if the guy was any fucking stupider, he could be legally declared brain fucking dead…that’s what I think of him …as for his new piece of shit program….well….I think I made that perfectly clear….it’s fucking worthless…and so are the smoke and mirror lies he presents….
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_cartman_ Reply:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:01 am
@_cartman_,
Sorry my source code was striped because of the greater then less then brackets…to see that I have NOTHING in the source code….other then the title …
http://universalmine.com
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# 28 July 2010 at 12:54 am

Frank said:
This is unbelievable.
People who buy Ryan Deiss’ latest turd (“Perpetual Traffic Formula”) can get AS A BONUS, thse previous products of his FREE:
Ultimate Listbuilding Machine (“Value $1,997.00″), and
Undercover Listbuilding System (“Value 197.00″)
As shown here: http://www.perpetualtrafficformulabonus.com
(That’s affiliate Michael Rasmussen’s site btw.)
What about the people who previously paid FULL PRICE for those overpriced, so-called Deiss “products?” How do THEY feel that what they PAID so much money for is now being given away merely as a “BONUS?”
I wonder if anyone who actually buys Deiss’ “Perpetual Traffic Formula” will be surprised to discover it being given away FREE down the road as just another “bonus?”
People really need to rethink the hype before they get sucked into buying this stuff.
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_cartman_ Reply:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
@Frank,
yeah….but…in all fairness (I said that with a straight face)….they got boneused with one or two of the previously worthless courses….and so the next worthless course (that will teach you to do something that won’t work or is useless), will include this course as part of the boneus….it’s what I coined “perpetual boneus formula”.
Sorry Rye…but you know what they say; “Excellence always mocks mediocrity”.
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Frank Reply:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
@_cartman_, LOL, Perpetual Bonus Formula…whatta concept.
Seems so ridiculous that Deiss is selling this regurgitated “Perpetual Traffic Formula” b.s. for TWO-THOUSAND-FREAKING-DOLLARS.
I gotta say it again: TWO…THOUSAND…DOLLARS.
And it’s hardly NEW information. It’s seriously OLD news that has been discussed in GREAT DETAIL on totally FREE FORUMS for the past few YEARS.
People can find out WAY more about the subject for FREE just by searching the term, “BACKLINKS” on any SEO forum.
TWO…THOUSAND…DOLLARS…for freely available info. WOW!
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# 28 July 2010 at 11:55 am

Derwent said:
Received the most honest sales letter I’ve ever seen from Frank Kern, who is an affiliate for Ryan Deiss’s product.
I’ve left his affiliate link intact, because if you’re silly enough to buy this thing, then Frank might as well have your commission as anyone else.
(I believe that there’s a $75,000 car as first prize for the affiliate that sells the most Perpetual traffic packages)
Anyway, here’s Franks sales letter.
It’s a pisser. Truth in advertising at last ??
============ Franks Letter below ========
OK listen.
Today’s the day that I’m supposed to send you an email
telling you that if you don’t go to my cleverly disguised
affiliate link here:
https://touchstone. infusionsoft.com/go/ptf/a165/
- Hide quoted text -
…And get Perpetual Traffic Machine …then the world
will end and there will be no hope for humanity.
And then I’m supposed to do like everyone else and
offer a “killer bonus” (new kidney!) if you buy through
my link.
—————————————————————-
SCREW THAT.
—————————————————————-
Look, the ugly truth is I haven’t even looked at the
product.
So I have no clue if it’s any good.
I think it’s probably good …after all, lots of Ryan’s
stuff is VERY good.
In fact, I actually swiped the entire structure of my
Mass Control and my List Control trainings from
what I learned when I was watching Ryan create
products.
And Ryan is a member of my primary mastermind
group and I regularly call on him for advice.
Plus, you’ve seen the quality of the prelaunch
content.
That was awesome.
So Perpetual Traffic Machine is most likely
awesome.
…But I’m not going to bullshit you and act like
I’ve personally reviewed it …just so I can make
a few bucks.
I haven’t. Sorry.
With that said, the best advice I can give you is
this:
1. If you *think* it’ll help you, you’re probably right.
…hard to beat good ol’ intuition.
2. You can probably get a pretty good bonus if you
buy it through someone other than me.
3. If it isn’t any good, you can get a refund.
…And considering the fact that 1/2 of the planet is
promoting it right now, your inbox probably has
plenty of good bonus offers to choose from.
So I don’t see how you can go wrong.
Of course, you’re welcome to use my blatant affiliate
link below so I can make a few bucks.
I promise to squander the money on shiny objects
and beer.
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Helvetica Smith Reply:
July 29th, 2010 at 8:49 am
@Derwent, he was right about one thing:
“Plus, you’ve seen the quality of the prelaunch content.”
In one word: rehash.
Kind of like paying $2,000 for paraphrasing what’s been discussed ad nauseum on free public forums for the past few YEARS.
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# 29 July 2010 at 6:00 am
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