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Hippo said:
Good one! Not only is the set bigger than the audience, but I believe our trusty Droid is bigger than James Ray in that picture.
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# 19 February 2010 at 9:12 am

Hippo said:
Okay, point taken about money NOT being hidden in the Caymans.
However, isn’t it possible that Ray is exaggerating his “brokeness” as a manipulation? His home in Beverly Hills is not listed–does that mean he has ZERO equity? It should still be on the list.
His financial statement is simply his own assertion of what he’s worth. Since he lies like he breathes, I would feel better if an independent auditor was able to verify some of this.
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Poop Chute Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Has anyone noticed the statement in the release about a “significant retainer” to the attorneys representing him? What do you suppose that means?
Salty? Don’t some attorneys take huge retainers from shady clients as advances on legal fees “in case something happens?” Meaning, of course, if the FTC or attorney general shuts them down and freezes accounts, the bill’s already pre-paid for defense.
Isn’t it also entirely possible, then, that “significant” in this case means a “significant” hunk of his cash?
I’m not asking if it’s legal, SD…just sayin’…
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SD Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
@Hippo :: I don’t doubt that he’s exaggerating his brokeness to some degree. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn he had cash stashed in the pool house like Tony Soprano … or with family members … etc. But it’s survival cash … not some giant … professionally stashed numbered account where he has been meticulously moving the money for years because he had the prescience to know that the game could end at any moment.
@PoopChute :: Big deposit into escrow to pay for criminal attorneys is standard operating procedure. But he changed lawyers after the Death Lodge … so that deposit would have been recent and probably represented all of his above board liquidity. So like I said in the post … unless he decides to take a plea … the lawyers will end up with most of the cash.
Want to know how to really create infinite wealth in your life? Get on the Harvard Law Review like Mr. Brian
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Poop Chute Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Exactly what I was thinking, SD. Seemed to me that doc was referring to the lawyers representing him now…and I was thinking that could have been all his liquid cash.
And of course not a dime will be going back into Ray’s hands ever.
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stoic Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 4:08 am
Just a reminder, the court docs make clear that the pre-emptive ‘not guilty’ plea made by his lawyers in his first appearance is the subject of a strike motion. So his options are still open on that one.
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Hobbes Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 9:45 am
$$$$ -> Suckers -> Ray -> Senior Partners at Wolfram & Hart, er, MTO.
Funny how that works.
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# 19 February 2010 at 9:23 am

froylein said:
$4,200,000 buy you a lot of Herbalife snack bars.
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# 19 February 2010 at 9:52 am

Dave said:
Heh, guess he thought balancing the checkbook was bogus too…
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Carlon Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
He probably wrote higher amounts in the checkbook so that he could “attract” more money. It works for all those Secreters, doesn’t it?
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# 19 February 2010 at 9:56 am

Sheepson id#43 said:
The Industry Standard –
I heard about Tony Robbin’s $400 million dollar day so many times that I decided to track it down…
Turns out that it’s true, he conned investors out of $400 mil and in under 2 years he lost it all.
In fact, James Ray’s idol, the Wealth Master himself Tony Robbins managed the money so poorly that his company is now worth -$9.9 million, and currently fighting to avoid bankruptcy (hence the ‘New Money Mastery’ products with Kern, Reese, and Brunson’s Boiler Room).
In a recent interview he was asked about it and said, “It’s not my company.” (it’s only his company when it’s making money, all other times he’s just the owner and Director of it)…
So: James Ray hiding money offshore? – versus – $4.2 million in debt?
These New Money Masters all confuse “Credit Limit” with “Capital” and every management technique they use is designed expand their credit lines.
“He who dies with the most debt wins” is their ‘Secret’ motto. None of them have families that they care for, so no need to pass anything down…
As this all plays out, remember that James Ray is a leader in this industry, not an isolated occurrence.
The murders went too far and so now we’re just finally getting a glimpse at the real industry standards – drugs, growth hormone, std’s, insolvency, bad debt… This is how they actually live, and this is where their lessons lead…
So while $4.2 million in debt is pretty good, James Ray still can’t compete with Tony Robbin’s $9.9 million dollar debt.
Keep looking for the offshore accounts, and you’ll find them to be as empty as all the teachings – That’s the Industry Standard.
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# 19 February 2010 at 10:33 am

TSarten said:
My favorite line from the article citing the documents:
“Despite misconceptions perpetrated in the media, Mr. Ray is not a man of significant assets and certainly not the millions reported in the press,” his attorneys wrote in documents obtained by The Associated Press from the court. The documents are now officially sealed.
Now who would have perpetrated that myth? Let’s see, Larry King, Oprah, Today Show, Fortune Magazine, Forbes, and prettu nearly every major city’s network affiliate morning show. Wow. How dare those bastards. Where in the hell did they get such false, and misleading information. Bastards. All of them.
Balanced budgets are bogus, baby. Mental stability is bogus too.
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stoic Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Who perpetrated that myth?……hmmm, now wouldn’t that be James Arthur himself?
My favourite mind-boggler from the attorney statement was that he deserves a bail reduction as he poses no threat to public safety…..you have to overlook the trail of injury (dating back at least to 2005) and death to swallow that one.
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TSarten Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
He poses no risk because he can’t sell a seat in any of his pseudo-shamanic, ritualistic, overpriced seminars.
No wonder the defense team wanted to keep these records sealed. The circus team of Munger Tolles & Olson know this crap they are floating stinks but they have to take the shot in order to justify billing JARhead.
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stoic Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
His emails are still going out, touting his events for 2010, as is his website.
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Hippo Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
I’m wondering if he still has enough loyal followers to put together more seminars, though? It’s not out of the realm of possibility.
Also, I do think he’s a flight risk.
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stoic Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
If he gets bail he has no other means of getting money than to carry on fleecing the faithful. People have short attention spans and his lawyers are already working overtime to minimise his crimes.
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Feather Boa-Constricter Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 12:25 am
My theory on why emails and seminar announcements are still going out is that he’s got pre-payers trying to get their credit card companies to refund/deny the charges now that he’s in jail, but if he makes it look like he’ll still fulfill what they’ve paid for at some point, the charges will still go through.
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Hippo Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 9:55 am
Even if his seminar days are over, he’s still highly persuasive. He IS a salesman, after all.
He has shown that he is more than willing to use his skills to benefit himself without any regard for the other person, even if benefitting himself results in the other person’s death.
So I think he’s extremely dangerous and should have very limited contact with others. He is the kind of con-man who could persuade other inmates to do harmful things–he might even need to be kept away from them.
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SD Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
I think his days in the LGAT seminar biz are over. If it’s the only thing I do on this Earth :: his LGATing days are over.
But he is a MASSIVE risk to public safety. He’s been completely exposed as the charlatan that he is … and yet people are still risking their own incarceration for him. That’s some scary shit. Something very bad could happen. If I was God {which I might be so send me your credit card info} I wouldn’t allow him to post bond at all.
Enough people are dead.
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MazeMan Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm
@Hippo: I understand your concern that James Ray could have a negative influence on other convicts (cons).
However, from what I have been told (since I have never been in jail), the cons are exactly that. Cons! They know what to say and how to say it. They are also very good at spotting baloney (many times because their safety and lives depend on that ability).
So old JR will have to watch himself. If he tries to con a “con”, he may well end up the recipient of jailhouse justice.
And if he is in general population, they may seek to exploit him. “Get us this or get us that. If you don’t, you’ll be beaten” (or worse)
That last bit comes to mind because a friend works in law enforcement. He talked to some prison guards who said that is what would happen to convicted murderer Scott Peterson if he were allowed to circulate in general population.
Just something to think about.
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stoic Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Something that I read pointed out that a large percentage of inmates in Arizona jails is Native American, who will not be appreciative of Death Ray’s appropriation of their sacred traditions.
Death Rays manipulative techniques have been honed to appeal to New Age seekers and secreteers, crims have their own ‘manipulative and persuasive’ techniques and tend not to sit still long enough to be swayed by kind of BS Death Ray peddles.
He is in solitary confinement now for his own protection, I doubt his fellow residents, who will have had a much harsher education in reality, will ever need protection from him.
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Jean D. Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 7:46 pm
If a crime is committed on federal land such as a reservation,a tribal/federal court tries the case and the inmates are sentenced to Federal Correctional Institutions, even if it’s homicide. Crimes committed off federal property are handled by non-federal courts and facilities.
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Hippo Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 8:02 pm
To MazeMan:
Thank you for your response. I remember reading a book about a man named David Brown, who manipulated his 14-year-old daughter into murdering his second wife, and then getting the girl to take a fatal dose of drugs. Luckily, she threw up the pills, and survived. It took a while to get the dad locked up, because the daughter kept defending him.
Once the dad was imprisoned, he solicited his fellow inmates to put contracts out on various people in the outside world. Luckily, the inmates turned him in, but it could have gone the other way.
Ann Rule wrote a book about it; I think it’s called “If You Really Loved Me.”
This guy David Brown was very persuasive, and he has to be kept away from other inmates for that reason.
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# 19 February 2010 at 11:16 am

Avg Joe said:
How can you be a master of wealth when you kill people before the death tax is revoked for a year?
If he was a real wealth master, he would’ve waited a few months
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# 19 February 2010 at 11:59 am

Rafael Marquez said:
The Beverly Hills house is probably not listed cuz it was already sold, or close to being sold and therefore not an asset. I would like to know why JRI wasn’t listed though.
I love how the lawyers are claiming that “the media” was responsible for saying that Death Ray was wealthy. I guess the lawyers never saw any of Death Ray’s videos where he flaunts how wealthy he is.
Bottom line, Death Ray is either a liar, a damn liar, a charlatan, a fake, or a statistic of some kind…
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stoic Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
JRI currently has no employees and the CEO is in jail. JRI was Death Ray himself, so unless there is a valuation for ‘business goodwill’ which is often factored into the sale of a going concern (and I can’t see anyone going for that) JRI is currently defunct as a business.
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Jean D. Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I remember a video/interview in which death ray bragged about all the “toys” he had. What do you think he’s “playing with” in prison?
Hey, Salty, love the Headline. But I’m very curious, how does that cute little Droid get around so much? A real world class traveler. Waiting to see the book/film, “Memoirs of a Droid”.
I wondered if you’d been to despair.com. Real funny stuff.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Hey, I like the idea of a Droid memoir. If you’re too busy, SD, I know a couple of superb ghostwriters.
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AnnAustin Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
@Connie–Why do you think Salty would need a ghostwriter? Don’t you like his writing style? I know, the Droid’s time is too valuable to write this memoir. I shudder to use and emoticon, but just so you know I am playing nice. ;)
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SD Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
@Connie ::
Unfortunately for you :: it wouldn’t be possible for me to hire a ghost writer who had taken such a strong public position against double colons.
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take that!
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Hippo Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Now Mr. Salty, how do you know that’s true?
Listen to Byron Katie, ask the four questions, and do the Turnaround.
Please show your work in the margins.
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Sheila Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Jean D. is right – anyone here who enjoys the Droid’s vastly superior sense of humor and razor sharp wit will also greatly appreciate depair.com. It’s by a guy who has taken on the multi-billion dollar motivational industry, an industry run and profiting hugely by these same people we refer to here, Death Ray, Vitale, and all the rest. He has created what he calls “Demotivators” and you can see them all by clicking on “Demotivators by name” on the top left somewhere and click through them one by one, they are posters. Absolutely precious stuff. (A favorite:: “Adversity. That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable”) Salty has the best blog on the Death Ray in this readers humble opinion, and my initials are also S.D. Cassandra Yorgey over at the Examiner has also written excellent coverage on the subject.
I’ve followed this event with horrified fascination. SD sees directly into JRI’s coldhearted money grubbing little troll soul and giveth back HI-larious commentary. I worked at a holistic publication 10 years ago for 3 years and had the *opportunity* to meet many L.O.A teachers in person or by phone since we advertised their events in our magazine. I never got to meet any of this current bunch (JRI, Vitale, Schirmer,) although I did speak to Bill Harris from Centerpointe a few times, the guy who recently made a fool of himself threatening a blogger at Beyond Growth. Neale Donald Walsh is another real winner, the Conversations with God guy who also owes thousands in back child support to his 8 or 9 kids. In an interview I did with him I found him remote, spacey, and not nearly as charming as you might expect someone who was hand selected by God himself to take direct dictation would be. God apparently told him those damn brats would learn more about praying if their mothers had to beg for enough money to live on.
My work at said magazine taught me that many white people pretend to be Indians and charge huge sums of money to their unsupecting flock for doing so, and that most people who hang up a sign calling themselves a “shaman” a “visionary” or a “spiritual guru” have earned no valid right to do so in anything approaching a traditional format from whatever culture they are ripping off for their pseudo b.s. teachings. Real teachers, shamans, and gurus tend to not loudly announce to the world that they have such lofty titles and take out full page slick color ads to hawk their wares to guillable seekers (oh, there’s so many lonely people craving community, absolution, and connection out there) at outrageous prices. It’s revolting really.
There are those who mean well in the field, I met many people humbly and genuinely devoted to healing and helping others and not trying to steal from everyone they possibly could in the process. I’ve been to many sweat lodges myself as a guest having a grandfather who was Quebecois indian and having a passing interest in earth based spirituality in my twenties (two decades ago) All the lodges I attended were respectful, subdued events conducted with strict adherance to tradition. People were NEVER charged money to attend. No one leading a lodge would ever, ever encourage an attendee to stay inside if they were uncomfortable, got overheated and needed to leave, whether it was in between rounds or not. No one ever threw up, lost consciousness, or exhibited any of the obvious signs of extreme heat related illness shown by those poor people under Ray’s care. During any sweat someone would frequently need to leave in the middle of a round because of getting hot and the people facilitating the lodge would immediately order or personally lift up the flap and allow the person to crawl outside to get cool air. The lodges and the people attending them were carefully monitered at all times by those leading them for safety. Everyone was told to leave right away if they became overheated, dizzy, or felt ill, all obvious danger signs. Nothing described in Ray’s lodges was remotely “normal” and it begs credulity that he or his his “deer in the headlights” assistants (Dream Team my ass!) would believe that for a minute. It’s a joke. People dying appear to be under extreme duress and tend to faint, throw up, collapse, and otherwise appear to be dying.
Ray and his team all deserve to sit in a cell for a long, long time and think about personal responsibility, what they have attracted into their lives and the lives of those who trusted them, and when it’s appropriate to party and/or claim your event was a great success with a lot of “breakthroughs” (hint: Not right after someone has killed themselves or perished at your event.)Keep it coming Salty, you’re performing a very valuable service here and I’m hanging on your every word!
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Great comment, Sheila. For years in a previous life, I was involved in various ways with holistic publications and the metaphysical community, and during that time I came into contact with a few gurus and a lot of wannabes. My years as a participant in New-Wage culture provided me with a solid foundation for a subsequent avocation in satire and snarking.
What I observed then and now is pretty consistent with your observations, Sheila, most notably that there are some genuinely good and well-meaning folks in the industry, but there are many ego-driven, arrogant, types as well. Unfortunately, the latter are the ones who, more often than not, rise to the top of the heap.
I agree that Salty is performing a valuable service here by doggedly pursuing every angle of the Death Ray case with wicked humor and yet abundant compassion for those who most deserve it. (And Salty, you know I love your writing, and I offer to ghostwrite your memoir solely to free you up for your investigative work. As your ghostwriter, I would of course adhere to your use of double colons :: I’m kind of beginning to like them anyway.)
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Joey Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 3:09 am
“Ray and his team all deserve to sit in a cell for a long, long time and think about personal responsibility, what they have attracted into their lives and the lives of those who trusted them, and when it’s appropriate to party and/or claim your event was a great success with a lot of “breakthroughs” (hint: Not right after someone has killed themselves or perished at your event.)Keep it coming Salty, you’re performing a very valuable service here and I’m hanging on your every word!”
I could not have said it better, thanks!
Not only James Ray but people like Schirmer also deserve justice for the hurt and obvious financial hardship they have caused on the pretence of making people wealthy. The only people who gained in all of this are these idiots themselves and for that they deserve our unbridled scrutiny. You’d think that schirmer and ray were conjoined twins because they seem to both been parasites.
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# 19 February 2010 at 12:20 pm

babzilicious said:
Damn! That top picture is scary.
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# 19 February 2010 at 1:37 pm

hrm said:
From Salty’s post:
“He has no degree :: no spiritual certifications :: no non-sales corporate experience. And he hadn’t achieved success in ANY area of his own life. He was just LYING … to all of you.”
Neither do 99% of the other big names that are making the most money in Internet Marketing, Dating, *Insert Cash Cow Niche For Rainbow Chasers Here*.
But, of course, it’s a lot easier to use the less effective method of targeting the biggest exploiters, than to philosophically reprogram society to become invulnerable to bullshit marketing.
Too bad most people don’t have enough time in their week to research deep enough to find out if they’re buying bullshit.
We live in a time where people are too busy. “Give me my result now” is today’s attitude.
And these scammers are in HEAVEN, on this planet anyway.
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Feather Boa-Constricter Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
You are spot on. It doesn’t hurt that even if you *do* some research, at the level most people would (BBB, Googling for complaints, etc), they’ve stacked the cards with the SEO, and most of the bad stuff is buried far below all of their own skewed sites. How many people would go to court dockets and search for litigation? After the fact it seems logical.
Which, if you’re in the mood, hit up http://courtindex.sdcourt.ca.gov/CISPublic/namesearch (since several of the Secreteers and their businesses seem to be in San Diego), do a search for your “favorite”, and check it out for yourselves. I’ve heard of several more lawsuits for a few of ‘em, but some pretty ‘good’ (if good meant bad) stuff pops up.
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Dude Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
I found a bunch of old Anthony Robbins lawsuits using that link. Paul Lemberg (who was associated with Stompernet) sued Robbins in the 90s.
If anyone finds anybody else, post it.
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MazeMan Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
@Feather Boa-Constricter: Interesting link.
I was went looking for any of the IM gurus that live in the San Diego area. Jason Moffatt popped up with one criminal case filed 4/06/2005 (case #: *M803992).
Unfortunately the site is apparently having issues. Each time I click the case number I get:
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Case Search Error Page
Your request cannot be completed. The server got the following error:
Error Message: null
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Maybe it was dismissed or expunged? And is the named party the defendant or the plaintiff?
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Feather Boa-Constricter Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
John Assaraf and his company OneCoach are on there a few times as defendants. No lawsuits for Just Like My Maid or the Vick Strizheus’ 7 Figure Marketing School yet.
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how to search for criminal gurus Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Is there a website that has all the possible government court websites on the internet (such as: http://courtindex.sdcourt.ca.gov) so that we could do a collective search on all the ‘gurus’?
I would have never thought to search court records, but it’s a useful idea. The question is: Could we create a ‘one stop shop’ repository website where we have the gurus name with a bunch of links linking to the court documents underneath the gurus name?
That would be helpful for us ‘newbies’ who want to know the past history of gurus but are unsure of where to search.
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Hippo Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 10:19 am
This is to Mazeman:
I haven’t checked your link, but I just wanted to say that, if this is a CRIMINAL case, the named party would have to be the defendant. If it’s a CIVIL case, the named party could be either a plaintiff or a defendant.
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TSarten Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Using that link, I found this lawsuit:
PALOMAR REPROGRAPHICS, INC. VS. JAMES RAY INTERNATIONAL, INC.
I looked up what Palomar Reprographics do, and they make really big photographs. Like REALLY big ones that are shown above.
Now we know that that picture isn’t even paid for…
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# 19 February 2010 at 1:37 pm

link said:
there is a post at Rich Ross
COVER YOUR ASS-ETS http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,page=56
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SD Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
@link ::
Someone please tell The Anticult to email The Droid.
I demand chit chat!
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# 19 February 2010 at 1:54 pm

dudes said:
dudes, don’t believe the hype. if you take these types of seminars the first thing you learn is to hide whatever money you make, and to keep yourself on the edge of bankruptucy in case you get sued.
they make a killing as they don’t pay anyone salaries.
so in a sense both points are correct.
they do run their businesses very poorly as they are idiots, but at the same time whenever they make any money they do not put it back into the business, they siphon it away somewhere.
they don’t care if their businesses go chapter 11, they enjoy it. that means they don’t have to pay their bills. they deliberately run their businesses into the ground and extract whatever money they can from them.
its a terrible error to think that there is not a nest-egg of at least a few millions stashed. but good luck finding it. Tony Robbins has also taught for over 20 years to never keep your assets in your own name,
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I've seen Robbins' books Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
I got a little insight into Robbins’ corporate structure eight or ten years ago, when his CFO searched for new software. At the time, I worked for one of the firms they considered.
Robbins’ seminar business was only one of several legal entities. The seminar business (which grossed about $50 million/year) ran at breakeven.
The corporation paid Robbins an appearance fee for doing the seminars. The books & tapes were sold by a different corporation. That resort he owned (where is that… Bora Bora or something?) was in a different corporation. I’m sure the trademarks are also packaged in a way that prevents him from ever losing control (unlike, for example, Famous Amos… who isn’t allowed to use the Famous Amos name any more.)
My impression was that he used the appearance fee as the vehicle to pull all the real assets out of that corporation. If he’s consistent about that model, he doesn’t leave anything of value in any of his operating businesses.
X
PS. A couple of other fun facts:
1- They had to mail nearly 1000 postcards & letters to pull in a single seminar participant.
2- Approximately 10% of the people who attend a live event refuse to pay their credit card bill when it arrives.
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SD Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
@Dudes ::
Normally I would agree with that. They siphon off the money and move it … it’s just common sense. It’s almost impossible to move money once the heat is on … you have to have thought of it for years in advance. If it was Robbins in shackles pleading no-money … I wouldn’t believe it for a second. He’s had 20 years to think about it … and a couple of close calls.
But James is different. I mean … HE LET PEOPLE DIE AT HIS SEMINARS … that’s stupid. Even from the most cynical scammer perspective … that just doesn’t make sense. It was careless.
Here’s my theory :: He was a nobody … and then The Secret thing gave him a little taste of the big time. He starts borrowing big … dropping ass loads into building up the perception that he is indeed as “big time” as he says that he is. He starts banking on all his growth being permanent growth … forgetting that he wasn’t managing a real company. But then the financial crisis started … putting pressure on borrowing and totally drying up the consumer credit card business {the source of half or more of his revenues} … and then the stress started building. He started to get reckless … because he was having a hard time just maintaining the status quo. As of October … he was running massive deficits each month … and had new increased costs for lawyers and crisis managers.
He represents the scammer version of the “bubble mentality” that consumed everyone in the culture over the last decade.
@Robbins’Books
That’s interesting. Sometimes people who hate cults and assholes forget that this isn’t a “free cash” business. These sales are pretty expensive to generate. Along with the normal costs of sales … one must also consider the pyramid nature of these systems. Ray has an upline … I don’t know who it is … but I promise you … Ray has an upline.
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stoic Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 4:41 am
Although the money is very important to Death Ray, I doubt it is the primary driver for him. It is a means to an end for him.
All indications show that he is consumed by a need for absolute power; the deaths are less accidental than a progressive escalation of what he has always practiced.
Wasn’t there some gossip about him as a child strangling cats and then claiming to bring them back to life? True or not that story fits with his attempts to push untrained and unknowing innocents over the line between life and death, while charging them megabucks for the privilege.
While he must have been feeling the financial pressure (the high cost of securing one seminar customer partially explains the manipulative tactics employed to keep that customer locked into the sales funnel) I don’t think that the deaths occurred as a result of his financial troubles. Death Ray has been heading down that particular funnel, the killing your customers funnel, for quite a number of years.
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SD Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 5:00 am
@stoic
Agreed. That’s just my working theory about what happened with his finances … but the power trip thing was definitely at the core of what happened. People could have died in the 2005 ‘sweat lodge’ … back when we all still thought real estate would appreciate at 9% per year forever :: and credit cards were being handed out like candy bars.
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# 19 February 2010 at 2:09 pm

Yakaru said:
He’s probably stashed it in David Schirmer’s bank account.
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stoic Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Now that would be a result, as Schirmer would ‘invest’ it and produce his usual negative return!
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PeterS Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
But Davey is now claiming to be the biggest thing in the 21st Century and his returns even though they be negative 85% or likely much much more he is still getting a return right? He is also still claiming to be the bestest damn trader of anyone in the big fat wide world. That guy is heading for disaster at a faster rate than anyone I have seen. He must be being chased………
Since he is SO religious, this ones for you Davey Lady.
“Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.” -Matthew 7:12 If you dont like your results how about quitting being such a dickhead.
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Sonny Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 12:48 am
posted in the wrong spot but you get my drift.
There are more holes in Schirmers stories than Swiss Cheese.
What happened to the Succeed Magazine?
What happened to the people who were owed money from his previous company collapse?
What happened to those traders he owed money to?
What happened to his 123% return he claimed on national tv that was apparently supposed to be shared with his traders, you know the people actually can make money trading?
What happened to the 85% he lost of the guys money while he was claiming to be the best trader this century?
What happened to all those other people who claim he owed them money?
What happened to the investigation with the authorities that was supposedly going on about him?
What happened to the Proctor investors who gave him money?
For someone considering his courses at one time, these are just a few questions that have never been resolved and the reason why I and a lot of people I know will never give him any money. I just do not trust the guy.
We all know he has been lying through his fat bleeding arse and he is no different to James Ray. Claiming to be the worlds best and wealthiest and when the shit hits the fan the real truth comes out. James Ray and Schirmer should be charged for every lie they have told the public to put money in their own pockets.
That is called EVIL in everyones language.
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# 19 February 2010 at 3:42 pm

rwr said:
Ray dropped the price of the Beverly Hills house from $5.5 million to $4.6 million recently, as per trulia.com. Of course, he paid only $4 million for it, about a year ago.
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rwr Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Regarding Ray’s house:
Today on Trulia it’s listed at $4,595,000 http://www.trulia.com/property/1036400695-11964-Crest-Pl-Beverly-Hills-CA-90210
Looked at the pictures – blood money does not buy taste. It’s chaotic, muddy and unappealing. Too bad for whoever ultimately buys it, because the furnishings are included.
Any bets on whether it will be foreclosed on or sell first?
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SD Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
@RWR ::
My money is on foreclosure. He’s trying to sell it for more than he paid for it after holding it for less than a year … during the worst real estate market in American history. It’s a sign of delusional desperation.
Unless he put down a whopping down payment … then he’s upside down just like everyone else. He wouldn’t pay to get out from under a mortgage as he won’t pay to get his own lousy ass out of jail.
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AnnAustin Reply:
February 19th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
I agree with SD about foreclosure more likely than sale. Either that or as the SELLER he’ll have to kick a substantial chunk at the closing…
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_cartman_ Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 3:57 am
I guess he wants to recoup his money, since he has to pay RE commissions on the sale and make up for any acquisition costs, I guess he decided to add a fair, but equitable 30+%….cough…yeah….
I’m thinking he doesn’t grasp the concept of “buyer’s market”…I mean fuck….doesn’t he realize that the reason he was able to buy it for $4M is because nobody wanted to pay more, not because he called on the universal mine…..okay…he did…lets see if we can channel that past call…..
UM – hello, you have reached UMI how can the universal help…over
JAR – universal mine…this is James Ray here…over
UM – go ahead…over
JAR – I’m purchasing a house here on the earth planet…over
UM – yes, and your question…over
JAR – Well…I want to pay $4M for this real big house…over
UM – so what the fuck do you want from me…over
JAR – Well…can you make them take my offer of $4M …over
UM – Fuck no…I am not the selling agent, just make the offer..over
JAR – Okay, but do you see me getting the house..over
UM – please hold while I look in the akashic cd’s…okay, it says you will be in the big house within the year…over
JAR – Okay, thank Gawd!..thanks universal mine….over
UM – uh..huh….and thank you for contacting the universal mine…
oh my..the guy spoke to the universal…now how the fuck can anyone deny that…the universal knew…totally fricken eerie….
The universal mine are trademarks of Gawd inc. all rights are reversed.
The information provided in the above post is provided “as is” with no warranties of any kind, express or implied, including but not limited to the accuracy, reliability or completeness of any content. If for any reason you feel that my post is not what you expected or that it is not to your liking, you have 30 days to unread it, and your mind is cheerfully eradicated, some conditions apply.
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stoic Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 4:54 am
Priceless, _cartman_
That UMI is spot on predicting residency in the big house within the year.
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Sheila Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Fucking hilarious _cartman_!!!!! That was a superlative quantum dialogue that just made me laugh so hard my cheeks are cramped, I love it – let me check the akashic cd! aka the USCVD (Universal Scammer Credit Visualization Database)Oh puh-leeze gift us with another laugh – I’d love it to read another blue genie or universe conversation when the mood strikes you, you have a way with words and spot-on conversation with Gawd visualization (see my comment above about my interview with Neale Donald Walsh, Mr. Conversations with Gawd himself) Two thumbs up for all the witty and incisive commenters following Salty – I’m usually too embarrassed to admit the company I keep on most blogs I read, but in the weeks since I found Salty’s blog I’ve noticed this crowd seems to hail from the triple digit IQ club and many share Salty’s keen sense of irony and humor. Keep it coming _cartman_ and all you guys! Go Salty!
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Hippo Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Putting on my “Captain Obvious” hat for a moment:
Real estate sales in Southern California are lukewarm right now, and that is for medium-priced homes (guessing that would be in the $250,000 – $500,000 range at this point).
Anything in the $4.5 million price range is not going to move, unless Ray discounts it BELOW $4 million.
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# 19 February 2010 at 6:32 pm

Sonny said:
“David Schirmer putting his “company” into liquidation because of $250k in back taxes.”
David Schirmer had this happen to his last company (I think it was TradingEdge Pty Ltd or Trading Ledges or something) about five years ago and spent the next few years boasting about how he beat the tax department in his seminars and out of his seminars. There are plenty of people around who had ears and heard everything he said and have never forgotten it. This was supposed to be a guy who was an expert trader and wealth creator and he turned out to be the biggest lying piece of shit you could come across. I doubt he will been seen in any way favourable this time around and I also would think his victims wont hesitate to tell all they know if asked. Any wonder hes heading for the US as fast as he can, he’s dead meat in Australia now.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Sonny’s right: David Schirmer is heading back to our shores.
Hey, Salty! He’ll be in Your Town on March 18 (venue still to be confirmed). Tickets are only $97!
http://ping.fm/YsekQ
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_cartman_ Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 12:34 am
it’s 404 ….maybe he changed his mind
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 11:29 am
Wow, Cartman, it *is* 404. That was fast. Maybe DS read my comment here, and/or my tweet about the subject, and scurried to another URL. Or maybe he’s decided it’s better for him to just keep his plans under wraps for now. Seems like that would make it awfully hard to do any real publicity, though. What a dilemma!
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SD Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 3:18 pm
I fucking double dare that tubby boat load of turds to come to Chicago.
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Uncle Slappy Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Site’s back… and Chicago’s on da list – hell, I’ll buy your ticket!
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Coolio Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:10 am
David Schirmer has guaranteed a lifelong following of turd haters love by putting yet another company into liquidation BECAUSE HE OWES MONEY. What sort of crazy laws do they have in Australia that does not permit the government to lock the guy up and never let him have a spot in another company again? Talk about usin and abusin, it is so freakin obvious what he’s up to that my dog could smell his turd laden ass from here. Something about that sleazebag that gets me going.
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# 19 February 2010 at 7:28 pm

Robbins said:
accurate comments above about tony robbins, who was a main teacher of ray.
tony robbins sucks every dollar out of his seminar companies, into other companies he owns, then into other companies. they have all sorts of companies all over the world, some controlled by the ex-wife.
they don’t have to think up how to do it, they just hire other people to do it.
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# 19 February 2010 at 9:51 pm

Hippo said:
Hi, Boys and Girls:
Leekuan is back at it on the New York Magazine website. He’s trying to be a little more polite after being warned by the board moderator, but it’s just a matter of time until he loses it and starts ranting again.
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Sonny Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 12:53 am
Ranting is therapeutical especially when it comes to these jerks. They spend their entire lives ranting but they hate it when other people do it to them. Haven’t you been in any of their seminars when they are putting everyone down who doesnt think like they do??????? Of course you have, they are just getting back what they gave out. Most of us just take it and ignore it, these guys dont have the mental spacial capacity to accept it and do the right thing and move on. They only know to fight back and argue which makes them look even more of a jerk especially when they ARE NOT BEING WHO THEY CLAIM THEY ARE. Its pretty entertaining watching them rant actually, they always slip up and offer up numerous precious fodder for the likes of the Saltys around the web.
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stoic Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 5:05 am
I had a look into LeeKuan, who claims to have only heard of Death Ray for the first time in early Feb. He immediately took JAR as a role model to emulate, LeeKuan intends to be bigger than Death Ray. He’s not a contender if he announces such an intention on the interwebs.
He also goes by the monikers Lee Majorbig and Jason Daro and has been banned from just about every board he has soiled with his presence. I think the ‘Majorbig’ gives the game away about his compensatory motivation. I wouldn’t bother arguing with him as he’s an idiot.
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Jean D. Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 8:37 am
LeeKuan does not work for or have any connection whatsoever to death ray. Last night I googled some words he was using about sweat lodges and found him on another forum as LeeMajorMinor! http://www.thoughts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32971
He seems to join discussions all over the place just to insult people until either they threaten him, or the moderator blocks him. From what he has posted on his blog, he is seriously disturbed.Creepy.
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RD Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Lee Kuan … Lee Major Minor … Lee Major Intent … Lee Major Big
http://www.blogger.com/profile/09422949836006976481
http://leemajorbig.blogspot.com/
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# 19 February 2010 at 11:02 pm

AJones said:
Getting caught with your hand in the tin isnt the smartest move but all of these guys have done it and think they have a god given right to get away with it…… LIKE HELL!
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# 20 February 2010 at 12:56 am

anonymous said:
Trumps advice to Tiger, get divorced, be a playboy and get back on the circuit and be the best golfer of all time.
Ha hum, that is the advice that I can give the guys mentioned here because its obvious as hell that they are just fucking with their futures. Dont be wankers, be honest with yourself and stop creating anger, hate and disrespect. Playing the christian role is a joke and you know it. Be real, be honest and get fucking on with it.
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# 20 February 2010 at 2:48 am

Anonymous said:
David Schirmer boasts on the web that he had been to see tony robbins about 8 times. If you think that anyone could be so deluded to need to go to a junket that many times dont quote me check it for yourself. The guy is obviously a deluded seminar junkie who just seems to be trying to copy people who have actually been successful. The sad thing is that there are a lot of people who lose to evil do-gooders like him simply because they put their trust in him. He obviously has not been honest otherwise nobody would be saying a thing about him and that is why he is being challenged. But I am offended when people like him think they can boast about living an honest god fearing life and then go out of their way to avoid responsibility to their fellow man. Makes you wonder where they were schooled and at what point they stop and take notice to what they are actually creating.
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# 20 February 2010 at 5:47 am

Sheila said:
A caveat to my comment above about JRI’s staff deserving to sit in a cell for a long time – Dear Amy Hall if you’re reading this, former employee of JRI who had the courage and honesty to step up and speak about her experience with this horror of a “guru” and pathetic excuse for a man. YOU ROCK girl, you are brave and have a kind and loving heart. You are a true leader and I think you have something special to offer to the world. Since I worked in this industry as the ad manager for a holistic/new age publication, I know it can be complicated to work with and/or endorse those who advertise their self improvement wares to the public. I’ve learned that there are those in the healing industry who mean well, and those like JRI who bring shame and disgrace to the good intentioned folk who trust and support them. I hope you don’t blame yourself in any way for any of this tragic mess. I’ve trusted others to share my intentions before and been “burned” myself. To step out like you have takes guts and you are one of the only, or maybe THE only, true spiritual warrior here of JRIs staff as far as I can see. You thought you were helping people and I’m willing to bet that you HAVE helped many people with your honesty, courage, and loving sincerity. You are a hero for saying Fuck your non-disclosure agreement too. I’m sure I speak for many when I say you are to be admired greatly for your stand. Peace, sister!
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Anonymous Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
”I was wrong. I was foolish. I don’t get to play by different rules. The same boundaries that apply to everyone, applied to me.” Part of Tiger Woods speach. At least the guy had the decency to publicly admit he should be playing by the rules like everyone else. These guys have only ever acted as if they are above the law while they have been attempting to teach people how to live better more fulfilled lives. Better for whom? More fulfilled for whom?
“I’ve learned that there are those in the healing industry who mean well, and those like JRI who bring shame and disgrace to the good intentioned folk who trust and support them.”
Not just JRI but the Schirmers and Vitales and the ilk also. Shameless people.
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# 20 February 2010 at 2:54 pm

AnnAustin said:
Two things–anybody else notice that jamesray.com seems to have disappeared from the web?
@RD–thanks for that link to LeeMajorBig (or LeeKuan’s blogspot page). I particularly like the post or two where he was complaining about being banned from a message board. Even on his own website (as opposed to a message board where others challenge his bizarre assertions and get him all wound up) he sounds crazy and of questionable intelligence.
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wondering why Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Ann you are right.. http://www.jamesray.com seems to have disappeared..
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AnnAustin Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 10:09 am
Do you think it’s because there isn’t money to pay for it anymore, or because the lawyers realized that there was so much damning evidence/blog fodder all over the JRI website?
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stoic Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 1:30 pm
I think it’s the latter. While they had some traction in the PR war it was worth keeping the site up, as the lawyers must be concerned about getting their bills paid in full in the event of Death Ray walking free with a slap on the wrist.
If realism is setting in, aided by the outcry against Death Ray, the same website with it’s spurious BS promises becomes very damning indeed.
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Jean D. Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Can the information of a website that’s been taken down still be subpoenaed? I don’t know how site technology works,so I was wondering. It seemed that there would be attempts to hide the Real(Death)Ray behind another image. Brad Brian already started doing this on Larry King.
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Carlon Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am
He should just use my (patent-pending) “law of opposites attraction” for effortless wealth creation…it works!
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Neil Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
I reckon that LeeKuan guy might be “IM Mafia”. The stunted sentences, the slow pick up of other people’s points and pseudo-mystical approach to vengance, like of comic book style revenge, etc
“IM Mafia” always sounded like a rib-tickling cad, being all sarky and shit. But I think he might actually be insane and on the internet.
Not the fucken first or last.
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Jean D. Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm
LeeKuan is crazy. But he seems to be a loner. He threatens people everywhere and had even posted an image of one blogger’s head hung on a wall like a hunting trophy.I hope the authorities where he lives (one blog says Barbados)are aware how dangerous he could become.
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stoic Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 4:58 pm
His real name I think is Jason Daro and he is probably from Nebraska. He is certainly crazy and not worth tangling with.
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# 20 February 2010 at 7:00 pm

Anonymous said:
http://www.jamesray.com appears to no longer exist. Thats a start….
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# 20 February 2010 at 10:17 pm

J Emms said:
This is a requote from another part of saltys blog about David Schirmer
““…. I’m happy to say I don’t know the weasel personally, but let’s just say many years working in a field where I assess and analyse people for senior executive jobs means that I can read body language and what people aren’t saying when they talk pretty well. Which means I can spot a dumb-but-cunning fraud when I see one.”
Very interesting because this guy considers himself the best at absolutely everything anyone can concieve as something to do or be. How surprising is it that someone could see straight through him?”
Its a pity more people don’t have the intuition to spot a fraud before they hand over their hard earned money. This could very well be written for James Ray or any of the other frauds out there too. Its a sad fact that these guys will do anything to feed their greed.
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Feather Boa-Constricter Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
I think most people do have the intuition, but they don’t seek out these guys when they’re at peak level. They’re hurting, in one way or another, which makes them primed to miss the details. Churches are great about this, too. Someone’s at a crossroads, they’re looking for change toward something better, and suddenly these guys have the answer, whether it’s for their spiritual life, their businesses, whatever. And they have these seemingly airtight reputations of building successful businesses, getting big-name endorsements (Larry King! Oprah! Tony Robbins! Shamwow Vince! These people wouldn’t endorse frauds, right?), and changing lives…just like yours. And if your friends or family start try to place doubt on your ‘investment in your future’, well, they’re just jealous bitches, and you should tell them “I love you, but I can’t be around you anymore. You don’t resonate in my quantum field Nana, so I’m going to have to surround myself with higher energy people, like Siva Bob, or Joe Vitale’s assistant.”
But yeah, it seems pretty obvious in hindsight. Not that I’m bitter. ;)
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# 20 February 2010 at 10:26 pm

Erik said:
What the hell are ‘Spiritual Certifications’?
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stoic Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 1:03 pm
I can supply you one, of the denomination of your choosing, from the range I offer at the low, low price of $9,997.
Guaranteed to make all your dreams come true.
P.S. For one week only, Aztec Shaman Certification half price at $4,997.
P.P.S. Two for one offer on Inca Dreaming Rituals for first 500 applicants.
P.P.P.S. Start Your Own Cult ebook at $49.97
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stoic Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 1:18 pm
I had an email from Mark Joyner yesterday, offering me his notorious ebook ‘Mind Control Marketing’–currently changing hands on Amazon and ebay for hundreds of dollars.
He is one fly marketer, now that this stuff is being openly talked about– no longer the sole province of the circle jerks– the guy who started it all sees it as an opportunity to squeeze a few more sales for his ebook.
He has yet to spin the book’s re-release as ‘doing a favour to humanity’, but that can’t be too far in the future.
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Enoch Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 9:32 pm
$39.97
$47
$97
$197
$297
$397
$497
$697
$797
$997
$3477
$4997
$4977
$9997
Do they think we are so bloody stupid that we cant see through this boring old marketing trickery?
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Hippo Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 am
To Enoch:
Please forgive my ignorance, but could you explain what this is about? I am not familiar with this scam, or whatever it’s called.
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# 21 February 2010 at 2:06 am

ShamelessSlut said:
I had to laugh at feather boas comments because they really ring a bell. I also read Schirmers death by signature documents and can’t help but see EXACTLY what that guy is up to. I bet all his companies owe him at least a hundred thousand and then if he rights them off it screws up his tax debt, just thinking like. That guy is one person I would stay a loooooooong ways away from just because. I dont like his attitude, I dont like his claims, I dont like his arrogance, I dont like his pretense, I dont like his lies, I dont like his claim of christianity, I dont like him just in case you hadn’t noticed. I just dont trust a guy who got people in on the promise of giving them a return and then he claimed he didn’t make any. My immediate question is WHY NOT? If you are claiming to be someone then you better work like hell to prove it. Not to me, not to anyone but for your fucking futures sake. Now all he can do is whinge about the amount of attacks people have made on his stupid fucking fat self. He is the only one who seems to insist on inviting himself where he was never invited in the first place therefore he deserves everything he has coming. I cant wait until he get here because he has to answer a lot of questions to our satisfaction before hes worthy of taking a cent from me or anyone that I know. Its about time our authorities stopped people like this taking the opportunity to screw over our countrymen without showing any proof of anything. And by screwing over I mean taking one cent for a product called he secret.
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# 21 February 2010 at 3:02 am

anon said:
Schirmer is probably so paranoid about his trip to the US being a success because obviously now he desparately needs the money to pay his outstanding tax bills and everything else hes being chased for. Hes probably also threatening everyone who is saying anything negative and nasty about him like he did on the last trip to the USofA. Why wouldn’t he be, thats his usual modus operandi. Whining loser.
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Caleb Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Hes so paranoid hes taken his dates down. Too bad we cant have a date with him now…..or can we?
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Nikki Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 6:25 am
Yes, you can…and for free!!
(Maybe the scarcity thing didn’t work & no-one wants to learn how to recycle your own crap by both eating it & speaking it at the same time…)
Email sent to me a couple of days ago:
Hi Nikki,
I’ve just done something really, REALLY crazy!!!
About 4 months ago a friend of mine in the US told me to come over a run some seminars on abundance and prosperity with the Law of Attraction … she said I should do it for free because of the state of the economy and the mindset of the people … and to be different from all the other money ‘gurus’!
I said, “NO WAY … I’ll come but it won’t be a free seminar!” I have never done it before and I wasn’t about to start!
I have been fighting against it ever since … I even put up the website with the price and shopping cart and all … some people have even booked in paying full price. But it kept going through my head day after day!! On Sunday at church, the visiting pastor spoke about freely sowing into others!!! I said “OK, OK … I get it!!!”
Well, she won! click here for more details: http://www.thesecret.com.au/
After much consideration and deliberation I have decided to run the 1-day “How To Apply The Secret of Abundance” seminar for FREE! Sounds stupid I know … neither my staff nor my wife are very happy with me at the moment! It’s a long story and I will share it with you at the seminar!!
Here is what I do know…
… If you can make it, the seminar will change your life forever.
Click here NOW for more details – tickets will go like lightening so you had better be fast. ( http://www.thesecret.com.au/ )
I had better get going. Our flight leaves in just 8 hours from Melbourne, Australia for LAX and I haven’t packed yet. I look forward to meeting you shortly
Yours in abundance
David Schirmer
P.S. If you have friends or family who would like to join us at a seminar in the US, forward this email to them immediately. (8 tickets have been reserved in the last 10 minutes since I announced it on FaceBook.)
P.P.S. If we have sent you this email by mistake (you don’t live anywhere near the United States) we apologize. It means that we don’t have your correct country details. You can send us an email letting us know your correct details or click on the link below to update your location details.
……………………………
Ok, now I need to go and scrub myself having read that again. *shudders*
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stoic Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 7:12 am
I will translate that email for you, although Cartman makes a much funnier channel:
Dang, we’re getting no takers for our new scammy paid $$$eminar.
Have they all seen through us at last?
I know, I’ll try what all those other circle jerks have been doing for a couple of years and have a free evening as entry into my greased sales funnel. It might take a bit longer to get my hands on the moolah but the taxman back home is hounding me for payment.
It really galls me to give away anything for free, even my worthless time for no payola but I’m desperate.
Although it goes against the habits of a lifetime I need to get my hands on some Other Peoples Money fast–it worked OK for Death Ray so perhaps there’s a gap in the market now.
Once those mugs get a whiff of my wealthmaking expertease I should be back in the black.
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# 21 February 2010 at 3:34 am

Joe said:
Time to come up with a scam to fool the masses and make millions!
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# 21 February 2010 at 1:59 pm

sayso said:
Its sad to see what level these so called “teachers” have stooped to. I dont think they have considered for a minute how serious the affects of their actions are. I believe there are a lot of people hurting silently because they feel intimidated and inadequate to challenge them.
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# 21 February 2010 at 6:40 pm

veryffunny said:
http://momentofepiphany.com/86/douchebag-award-winner-the-creator-of-the-support-james-ray-facebook-group/
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# 21 February 2010 at 8:47 pm

Anon said:
“John Curtis says:
The Self-Help Movement has become the Self-Destruct Movement by diminishing or destroying our ability to explore, interpret, assess, create, judge, choose and evolve on our own. We have given up the freedom to live life, and build healthy marriages and families based on our unique history, values and life experience. Instead many (desperately) search outside themselves for someone to tell them how to be happy, what they should value and how they should act.
Being a “happier person” or having a “healthier family,” whatever that means, are often the goals of consumers of Self-Help products. Yet studies continue to show that to be happy and healthy is simple but not necessarily easy. Few of us want to do the hard work necessary to change, so we keep searching for an easier way offered by the latest guru, sometimes with deadly consequences.
The Solution: A Return to our (Common) Senses! The best way out of this learned “self-helplessness” is to go cold turkey. Stop watching ALL Self-”
Thanks to whoever the guy is that wrote that quote on another blog, I could not agree more. Going cold turkey is the only way to separate yourself completely, I know, I’ve done it. I think these people are incredibly dangerous and I think all of this material should be used only by people who are highly qualified in its application and only in a very ethical and moral way. If is so obvious that these guys are using it to make money and satisfy their own self image. Maybe the authorities need to set up a group called “Selfhelpless Anonymous” because I sure as hell know a lot of people who need treatment as a result of these people.
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# 21 February 2010 at 9:06 pm

Anitacooley said:
A good friend showed me the picture on this website and I thought it was just priceless http://schirmerexposed.blogspot.com/
titled the secret of success
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Yakaru Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 am
Download it quick – squirmer got youtube to take it down last year.
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cheetah Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Schirmer has got to know by now that removing anything guarantees its immediate spawning. Hes an idiot anyway but hes more of an idiot if he reacts.
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MazeMan Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm
@Yakaru: If you want to easily download any YouTube videos and have them converted into a file format of your choosing, try out http://www.idesktop.tv .
A free account allows you to download two videos a day. While they were still in beta, it was unlimited.
Disclaimer: I am in NO way affiliated with the company. Just pointing out a useful resource. Ciao!
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Yakaru Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Thanks mate!
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# 21 February 2010 at 10:19 pm

MazeMan said:
@Anitacooley: Wow!! That David Schirmer video was *brutal*!! The interviewer was like a starving pit bull and Schirmer was wearing steak underwear.
For those that want to see the video, have a look:
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MazeMan Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:16 am
Oops. Guess I don’t have privileges to embed video. Here is the YouTube link:
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:21 am
You need a gravatar, go to gravatar.com, create an account, then when you comment here use your gravatar credentials
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# 22 February 2010 at 1:15 am

Cassandra Yorgey said:
James Ray *is* hiding money, and at the very least he still has royalties coming into his bank account, although his income has undoubtedly shrunkified since October. There are also several non-profit organizations he uses to hide money, and the “trust fund” his lawyers hold for him while he’s in jail. He likes his money waaaaaaaaaaay too much to let it all go.
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# 22 February 2010 at 7:25 am

noodlebowl said:
“The set is bigger than the audience.”
This is why you need to read People Farm by Steve Susoyev.
As their leader deteriorated into paranoid alcholism, Steve and the other employees took care to book smaller rooms for events, precisely to *avoid* the scenario described above.
If you attendance is falling, face that grim fact and never book a room too large for that audience. It gives a very icky feeling to be in a room too large for the event in question–it is difficult to hold and contain group energy in such a situation.
Steves leader was no longer in contact with reality, but his young staff members, busily covering the guys ass, were in contact with reality and
took care to make excuses for the leader’s absence, and booked realistically sized rooms for group events.
If you want to learn the mechanics of CYA for a leader who is losing his or her grip, this is the book.
I highly recommend People Farm it to district attorneys, US Attorneys and news reporters, along with Len Oakes’ Prophetic Charisma.
Both books will gave priceless information to assist in background research and (attorneys take note!)orchestrating strategy for the discovery process and how to ask the best possible questions during press interviews–and (for the US and District Attorneys)–the Depositions.
http://www.peoplefarm.com
and ‘Prophetic Charisma’ by Len Oakes, Ph.D
Educational and finger licking goooood.
(Full disclosure: I have nothing to gain, businesswise, socially, academically or financially from recommending either book)
NB
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# 22 February 2010 at 10:49 am

noodlebowl said:
Concerning retainers–one of the best parts of People Farm is Susoyev’s description of going to the attorney to seek representation for his boss, and (cough) the negotiations that ensued concerning the retainer.
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# 22 February 2010 at 10:54 am

Jean D. said:
Hey Salty, I am sending an email because I wanted to inform you of something I don’t know much about but have a concern. Last night I clicked on ray’s site and it came up. I went to the World Wealth Society page and somehow ended up on a page with names of companies and seminars. I sent this link which had “direct track” in it but did not have any idea what that meant. I posted this as a reply on your blog. This morning when I got up the JRI purple sun symbol was in my address window instead of the Internet Explorer symbol and instead of the Google symbol in the Google tool bar. This made me wonder how it got there, so I went in and deleted browsing history and cookies and it went away. I also saw that the link was not on your site.
I am new to this blogging and looking deeply into websites, but have some basic knowledge of cookies and very little of phishing. I thought I’d let you know that I didn’t realize the direct track is a marketing cookie placement device.
Also, 3 times when I have gone to flickr.com to view jamesrayinternational photos, my Norton suite has blocked a High Security threat false anti-virus program that tried to install.
You don’t have to respond to this email. You probably already know about these things.This armchair sleuthing clearly has its risks,I’m finding out. It’s strange that ray’s site was down and now it’s back up.
Thanks for your work.
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# 22 February 2010 at 12:48 pm

Yakaru said:
Incidentally Ray’s site is back up. I never spent too much time looking around it, so I don’t what, if anything has been removed.
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stoic Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:58 pm
I wouldn’t know whats gone either, not being much of a fan, but from what I can see the live events no longer show up, the link goes to book and CD sales where before the 2010 programme was up.
I’ve no idea what that could mean.
And the laughable statement that JRI have conducted their own investigation, interviewed 20 people and concluded that it was nothing more than a tragic accident is on the home page.
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# 22 February 2010 at 12:48 pm

rat said:
yo ya gotta check out this post about the Salty pic from the Ray seminar
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,82285#msg-82285
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# 22 February 2010 at 2:59 pm

Yakaru said:
Stoic’s doing a great job of keeping the rick ross thread on this up to date. Here’s the latest interview – Lou Caci, the fellow who burned himself and then, according to the investigator probably saved someones life by dragging her out. He seems pretty pissed.
http://tommcfeeley.com/content/Lou-Caci-Police-Interview-Oct-12-2009.pdf
I wonder how happy he is about Ray still using his testimonial
http://jamesray.com/case-studies/?case=cacil
Other transcript here
http://tommcfeeley.com/content/Plentywolf-Lee-transcript-1020091.pdf
And the Anticult persenting some contra-droid ideas.
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,82285#msg-82285
I don’t know whether Ray had money stashed, but it seems to me likely that he did. I also think its highly likely that he squandered a lot of what he did make and was totally unrealistic in his planning, as Droid suggests. I think Ray is a rather stupid man who is using a scamming model that is quite highly evolved and developed by others. I bet he used it, but probably just as stupidly as everything else he’s done.
Incidentally, from the other photos on Flickr, it seems that the two panels either side of the stage were big screems so that gawking women could swoon over Ray’s every facial expression. I wonder if they also had dry ice and and light show like a Kiss concert or something.
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Yakaru Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Incidentally, the “other transcript” link goes to a brief interview where the investigator is asking a Lakota fellow about Ray or his team trying talk a Lakota into confirming Ray’s sweat lodge as legitimate. The question is raised why didn’t he just go to the person who trained him, if such a person exists.
This gets uglier and uglier by the day.
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# 22 February 2010 at 4:14 pm

KittyKat said:
There’s a hearing today on Ray’s bail bond.
Even though it will be reduced, he still may be living behind bars for a while longer:
“Kelly explained that an agreement was reached last week with the County Attorney’s office for a deeply reduced amount of bail, but Ray was unable to qualify with the bond surety company for even the negotiated lower amount. Kelly noted that it is a typical practice for bonding companies to appraise personal assets and real estate at a discounted rate in circumstances such as this, and apparently that policy is creating difficulties for Ray.”
http://www.prescottenews.com/current-news/james-a-ray
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# 23 February 2010 at 2:12 am
» Of Bail and BattleGrounds said:
[...] everyone agrees that Ray is broke.  The Anticult on the Rick Ross forum has been particularly on the rag about how wrong I [...]
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# 25 February 2010 at 5:10 am
» James Arthur Ray Trial Updates said:
[...] he was unable to post the required bond. After a hearing to determine the status of his lack of harmonic wealth :: bail was reduced to $525,000. Once out on bail Ray immediately recommenced his remorseless [...]
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