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stoic said:
I’m lovin Russell’s new dental work, sets off those gimlet eyes a treat.
I had a few calls from the boiler room, on behalf of Filsaime, and couldn’t figure out why the salesman was so bad at selling me– obnoxiously persistant but still bad. Minimum wage and the claw-back would explain that.
I did feel a bit sorry for him but managed to resist giving him a few pointers that I’ve picked up from a lifetime of being sold to.
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# 22 February 2010 at 9:02 am

Screwed by Willie Crawford said:
This post couldn’t have come at a better time. Just last week I got a call from Brunson’s call center. Normally I hang up on them but instead actually let someone talk this time. It went like this…
Her: Is this first name?
Me: Yes
Her: Hi, I’m Fake Name from Russell Brunson’s office. How are you today?
{NORMALLY WOULD HANGUP HERE}
Me: I was doing better before you called. I’ve told you people over and over that I’m not interested in your crap.
Her: Don’t you want to make lots of money?
Me: No. Just loose my phone number and stop bothering me.
Her: Why wouldn’t you want to make lots of money?
Me: Why wouldn’t you want to make lots of money instead of spending your day on the phone for 5 bucks an hour pumping junk?
Her: This isn’t junk. It’s great. You will make lots of money. Let me explain.
Me: NO! I’m not interested in listening to your schpeel about any of Russell’s products.
Her: If you weren’t interested why did you buy our product?
Me: I didn’t buy your product, I bought a cheap $9.95 teaser because I like to see what crap people are pumping. And it was crap!
Her: Well, let m……
Me: Bye! Have a nice day at your 5 buck and hour job….click!
The first thing you’ll notice is that it was a female. Maybe Brunson burned through all the males in town and has no choice but to hire women now. That must really jack his jaws.
These bastards call at least once a month. They don’t take no for an answer.
On another note Salty, Belcher is still sliming around behind the scenes. Just picked this up on twitter from Ryan Moran:
“In Austin for mastermind with Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher.”
So much for leaving Internet marketing!
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he is! he is! Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Brunson is now taking applications from females! wait he never takes applications for sales staff they ask “what are you truly proud of?” then the magic word is my family or my mom or something to show that they care. That way the recruter says “we only want people that care about others to work for us” That is where it all starts. After awhile they put in your head how this package (or any one we sell) would change folks lives. Please go put an application somewhere else don’t go there. I’ve been there done that and actually was fired for not being aggressive enough. I was told that Brunson pays a lot of $$$$ for these leads. Guess I don’t care about people.
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# 22 February 2010 at 9:10 am

Rafael Marquez said:
Loves the new grill on Brunson.
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# 22 February 2010 at 9:19 am

noodlebowl said:
You can learn a lot from the LDS about putting sales people out to pound the pavement.
http://www.i4m.com/think/recovery/mormon_indoctrination.htm
(this is a twenty point list from a non mormon source, but edited by a former LDS member to highlight features pertinent to LDS inner structure.)
Next door on Rick Ross’s venue, a source described LDS missionaries in the rain
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,6620,82278#msg-82278
(quote)’Note: regarding the LDS, I can report that the managers do NOT take good care of their young and trustful missionaries.
‘I was outside of a metro stop in the rain, and saw two LDS missionaries in the customary pair, with the tell tale badges, come up the escalator and onto the street.
‘It was a dark, grey day, raining, low visibility.
‘Those two kids were dressed in BLACK rain slickers.
‘Guys, if upper management in LDS missionary outreach had been taking proper care of their own, the missionaries would have been issued high visiblity yellow rain coats.
‘There are reasons why crossing guards at schools are issued high visiblity clothes in dark wet weather.
‘Anyone on foot, in grey wet weather, wearing black, cannot easily be seen by a motorist, bicylist, or motorcycle.
‘This is an example of what I would term unreciprocated loyality–failure to care for your trustful low-on-the-food-chain members who are doing the hard work to keep an organization going that is quite enough money to purchase high vis rain gear for its missionaries.
‘Unreciprocated loyality.
‘It takes different forms and garb depending on the organization, but its the same thing, only the belief system being different.
‘All one has to do is look past the belief system and look to see whether loyalty is reciprocated, throughout ones time in the relationship or group, and regardless of what
rank you hold within the organization.
‘If you are given lots of care and support at the very start of the relationship or group membership, and then, later on, things change and your loyalty goes unreciprocated that initial care and support could be called love bombing.
‘It doenst characterize the entire climate of the group—just the way recruits are treated, only for the support to be withdrawn and neglect to set in, once your membership is secured and your loyalty has been proven.
‘You end up living on past memories of the good times while rationalizing current neglect as some sort of purification.(unquote)
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Useful article Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Thanks for the article > http://www.i4m.com/think/recovery/mormon_indoctrination.htm
Insightful. Made some notes for myself…
…20 Questions worth thinking about when asking ‘Is it a cult?’:
1. Is there promise of a vague/metaphorical/abstract goal?
2. Is there a leader who was hand picked as a successor to a previous leader or that had an awakening (who went from suffering-to-insight)?
3. Is there a doctrine or sacred text?
4. Is there a lack of rational story as to why one joins the group?
5. Is satisfaction solely dependent on financial commitment?
6. Is contradicting an internal sense of appropriateness or judgment expected?
7. Is there reward and inclusion in exchange for complicity?
8. Is there arbitrary or group-interested self-denial?
9. Is there an expectation of dependence via parental transference and random incentives (rewards or punishment)?
10. Is there authoritative guidance on how to think, feel, or behave?
11. Is there unquestioned loyalty or approval-seeking toward a leader and/or judging and gossiping toward questionable loyalty?
12. Is status a function of nearness to the leader?
13. Is there high degrees of certainty or zero lack of doubt expressed to ‘new recruits’? Is high degrees of certainty, low doubt, and a lack of sincere questioning one way to move up the pyramid?
14. Are connections outside considered ‘attachments’, while the highest value is expected to be commitment to the higher goal?
15. Are requests from a leader or group seen as ‘purpose’ and are they expected to be accepted?
16. Are self-interested requests frowned upon?
17. Is a leader free from responsibility?
18. Is automatic thinking and automatic behavior encouraged?
19. Are a leaders’ abusive behavioral faults considered acceptable?
20. Is perfection symbolized by a leader?
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# 22 February 2010 at 10:28 am

Unicorn Army said:
I have absolutely no comment about this story, in which Russell speaks about his real dream – going to the 2012 Olympics as a Greco-Roman wrestler:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/Boise-wrestler-sets-sights-on-2012-Olympics-84954937.html
No comment whatsoever.
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SaltyDroid Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Man that is pathetic. Not good enough to win State in a tiny place like Utah … can’t get into BYU … no distinctions while wrestling at a tiny school like Boise State … NOT at All American. Someone should tell Russell that you have to actually be able to wrestle to make the olympic team. I don’t think he could even qualify for the qualifiers.
I just emailed the station :: and the station manager.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:11 pm
It’s a local media white-out – the other station got the “scoop” first:
http://www.kivitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11949170
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Watching The Train Wreck Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 pm
For sure he is and always was just a mediocre wrestler. In fact if you listen to his BS sales pitch where he talks about training for the Olympics it is in a style of wrestling that is very unpopular here in the states. He admits he would get his ass kicked in freestyle.
Also he may have wrestled at BYU BUT they cut the program. Had a buddy that wrestled for BYU, and then had the program cut in the middle of his sophomore year.
There is this dude from Utah, Heber City I believe, that went to Iowa State and NEVER lost a single match. That is badass.
A little off topic but the wrestling community where I am from is HUGE.
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Jean D. Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Can anyone else see “latent homosexual” written all over that clip?
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Anonymous Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm
That’s what I seen! Infact look at the news footage of Russell Brunson then look at Garrett Robins fake testimonial and one can put 2 and 2 together. ABSOLUTELY HOMOSEXUAL!!!!!!!!!
But I don’t care I am a gay man and i know other guy men. My friends and I are all in agreement these guys are in the closet.
Actually more power to them I enjoy my gay lifestyle my life was better when I did not have to hide.
Maybe that’s why they do not hire women.
One question do they hire many young guys?
You go girls! and you are rich! I love you.
This reply is for the power of all gays in the closet.
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Anonymous Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 2:39 pm
It’s me the gay guy again.
Any man that touches another man like they claim Garrett did is infact holding himself back from his desires.
Be proud of your faith and whom you are or it will slowly eat you up.
You will have the intire gay community on your side. Perhaps some will be in your inside (bad gay joke I know)
chow!
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Jean D. Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Hey now anonymous gay man, just because they might be gay and in the closet doesn’t make it okay for them be scumbag con artist rip off jerks.
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# 22 February 2010 at 11:26 am

I'm Ashamed! said:
I have seen many good men being taking advantage of at dotconsecretes I am one of the next to leave this SCAM!. I’m Ashamed to work for Russel Brunson and thank God that the “Saint” Garrett Robbins has been taken off the sales floor and sent up to the heavens!… That is Brunson took Garretts ass up stairs and off the sales floor as we are loosing most of our sales team including good top closers. We are realizing we are being screwed just like Brunsons Customers get screwed. And whom ever told the Salty Droid about Russell Brunson and Garrett Robbins not hiring women for sales positions are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! But now we are 1099 solo contractors and are now hiring women I hope Brunson received permission from his LDS church to hire women.
However they do usually have one black guy he’s a good and hard working man they keep him around they just move him from place to place building to building where ever they want to put him. Brunson also did have an Hispanic American guy work there also but they pushed him so hard with disrespect and didn’t even pay that guy for five months he finally quit! I am sorry and ashamed for anyone that I have sold brunsons scam to.
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# 22 February 2010 at 11:42 am

RE; I'm Ashamed said:
I did work for Russell Brunson and Garrett Robbins I am one of the former employees inwhich “I’” spoke about. I was questioned about a letter inwhich a former salesperson wrote to Brunson and Robbins they assured me I would not be fired
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Go on unemployment or be 1099'ed Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm
I’m not sure if you finished your note. Perhaps you were talking about the same letter which the hispanic guy demanded his payroll check of five months past due that dotcomsecretes had not paid him. Or the discriminating tastless words and threats they put him in.
That guy was and is a good friend of mine and you would not believe what dire position Brunson and Robbins has placed him in. They even threatened to destroy his chance of having his little boy by saying things or being present at his child custody case so he would not be able to be a father to his little son and he IS a wonderful father. One of the positions they put him in is that he is fighting for his son in court with NO attorney, now they are trying to destroy his future with his son as a former employeer.
These are NOT Godly people and I to am SORRY and ask for FORGIVNESS of any and all customers that I sold dotcomsecretes producs to.
Myself and others are closly monitoring him as we are worried about him in the aftermath of working for dotcomsecretes.
dotcom also questioned me about that same letter I was guaranteed I would not loose my job no matter what I agreed on or against. being scared I went along with them to save my job. Then shortly after that I was giving a choice to go on unemployment or forced to be my own contractor, so I went on unemployment, I am an older man it’s hard to find work.
I pray daily (I’m NOT Mormon) that all the customers and employees of Brunson and Robbins are able to get past and let go of the calamity and financial distruction which was caused by this organization. They are very friendly and at times Godly like until they have you! I pray even for the leaders and managers of dotcom that they will stop doing the distruction they do to all. I pray that God forgives them for what they have done.
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# 22 February 2010 at 12:00 pm

Schefren Insider said:
just an fyi salty…. Schefren has never used a call center and has actually spoken out against them many times… so i know for a fact he’s never used Brunson’s call center – just saying….
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Unicorn Army Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm
So, when I get sales calls from “Rich Schefren’s office” – Rich has nothing to do with that? Sure is weird :: even improbable :: that someone else would have number.
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Poop ChuteA Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Shefren’s right to speak out against phone rooms. I’ve had a pretty long haul in the industry and seem plenty of them to know from experience that they exhude a cattle-and-prod atmosphere that is easily spread directly to YOUR customers when they call to close the sale.
Will they increase your sales? DAMNED STRAIGHT THEY WILL — cause the dogs you just sicked on your prospects and clients are HUNGRY. But they will also chew up and spit out anyone who buys, escalating your refunds and complaints and visibility with the Feds 1,000 fold. And their tactics will usually drive away any potential buyers down the road who back off and don’t buy into their high-pressure slobbering-fangs pitch.
Does this mean all phone rooms are bad? No. But I have to say the percentage of phone rooms run by hard-working people who are really out to help people get the best deal versus the blood-sucking I-don’t-care-who-we-have-to-kill-to-pull-in-another-order rooms is outnumbered about 250 to 1.
The ONLY phone room I ever worked with that I didn’t fire was so caring and friendly I couldn’t believe it — to me, to their employees and to my customers. They called buyers of one of my lower-priced offerings to make sure it arrived and ask if there were ANY questions they could help the buyer with, to enhance their experience with me. Then they let them know about the higher-tiered training program I’d released that was now available. If there was no interest they said OK and offered to call in a week to follow up. If they were interested they sold it.
It was a formula for a phone room run the RIGHT way. And it increased my sales without increasing the numbers of complaints or refunds I got — I actually had some unsolicited testimonials from customers thanking me for the excellent assistance they got from the phone room callers.
Sadly — they closed their doors. While they were consistent in increasing sales without increasing refunds and problems, the increase wasn’t dramatic enough to compare to the shark-infested phone rooms who appeal to the greedy-minded marketer…spewing numbers that reflect the high-pressure tactics.
I truly miss that phone room.
And — quick question — why is it that all the WORST phone-rooms in the world are all in Salt Lake City?
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Bullshit! Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Bullshit or, you are just unaware! every name that the Droid has mentioned are leads bought from Brunson. Every name and more that the Droid has mentioned are true I know I also worked for that fucker Brunson.
It’s goes like this “Brunson and so and so” are doing a JOINT VENTURE together that’s how I got your number” then when that $5,000- $40,000 package is sold the “so and so” get’s their cut of the rip-off.
I mean no disrespect to you but no one should comment unless they have all the truth and facts. Otherwise you are misleading people that are already hurting. The more pain in the customers life and the more credit they have the more their lives will be devestated.
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SaltyDroid Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:33 pm
@SchefrenInsider ::
All of these d-bags “speak out” against call centers … and selling out their lists. But what they speak about … and what they do … are NEVER the same thing. Hadn’t you noticed?
I heard Schefren’s name multiple times. These guys don’t know one Internet Marketer from another … so I see no reason why they’d lie about it.
If Rich has never used Brunson’s sales floor … he should talk with me about it. If he can convince me … I’ll make a correction. However :: lying to me is very dangerous … and is NOT advised.
I’ll hold my breath and wait …
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# 22 February 2010 at 12:21 pm

Watching The Train Wreck said:
I LOVE how former employees are staging a mutiny and actively speaking against Brunson.
You don’t only have to worry about pissing off customers but employees.
Maybe Brunson got slammed into the mat to many times in college and missed that lesson in business class.
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# 22 February 2010 at 1:38 pm

2b1ask1 said:
Agreed. Love it.
Tell us more. Tell us stuff Brunson would cringe at if the general public knew about it.
By the way, wanna bet Brunson masturbates thinking about his god Dan Kennedy?
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FOOD BANK Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I’m not sure if this man still works for Brunson but he is LDS and I have all the respect and love for him. Not Brunson but the other guy, this guy is a loyal and dedicated employee and co-worker and while dotcom knew he was not making any sales do to bad leads given to him. This grown man had to go to food banks for weeks to feed his family even though he was LDS dotcom wouldn’t give him a hand up.
I have never posted anything but know that the truth is coming out and employees and or former employees are starting to break there shell. Don’t stop or others will experience the same that we have.
Dotcomsecrets employees thank you for opening the door on Russell and his boytoy Garrett. Keep it coming so the local area knows the truth, his money and accomplishments are no different then those big corporate wigs that took millions from the little guys.
Good luck to those that still work for Russell but the truth needs to be known. There are other jobs out there.
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No Women! Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
He cringes already just whtch him speak.
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# 22 February 2010 at 1:48 pm

WOW! said:
I have not worked for Russell or Garrett in a long long time. I do not keep in contact with any of the sales guys as I just could not do the things they say to make a sale. I quit very soon after I realized that management trys to instill or should I say Brainwash salespeople into believing they are doing a good thing selling russell’s products or the joint ventures. I figured DOTCOMSECRETES would have already had their doors closed. I’m shocked when I seen Russell on TV about the olympic thing make note that the $250k he invested was made by poor unknowingly customers which lost alot of money purchasing Russells stuff. His imvestment into this olympic stuff was stolen by helpless customers and now he’s making himself look like a patriot. I am shocked this Brunson is not in a federal or state prison. In time all will find out about him.
Just a note I don’t dislike Brunson I just don’t like that he promises so much but gives so little to his customers. HE SHOULD NOT REPRESENT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN ANYTHING. BUT I GIVE THEM CREDIT THEY MAKE ALOT OF MONEY THE ONLY BAD PART IT’S ALL MENTAL THEY MAKE YOU FEEL LESS OF A PERSON IF YOU DON’Y BUY. AMERICA AND IDAHO SHOULD INVESTAGATE THIS GUY BEFORE ALLOWING HIM TO REPRESENT OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY.
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# 22 February 2010 at 2:05 pm

LDS said:
I am LDS! and proud of it! However I also know somethings about Mr. Brunson but would not put my my love for my church in an imbarrassing situation.
Mr. Brunson stop doing what you are doing and do not maginify your Olympic news. You will hurt our church as society finds out what some already know.
You know what it is! If you love our beliefs please stop.
Love a brother of LDS
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# 22 February 2010 at 2:56 pm

Watching The Train Wreck said:
Hey Jason,
Do you moonlight as a graphic artist or something? Where did you get your photo editing skills?
I am really interested…
I get the impression that you grew up in an LDS community but are not LDS…
If true:
What was that like?
Did you grow to dislike LDS people because of this experience?
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SaltyDroid Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:47 pm
@TrainWreck
I’ve got no problems with LDS people. The religion I was a part of was just as crazy. You can’t hate on people for their belief systems … whatever you want to tell yourself to make life more bearable is fine by me.
My photoshop skillz are actually pretty weak. Sometimes the photos take longer than the posts. I know this will come as mega-shock to all of you IM retards … but I’m learning it by reading a book. Yes … that’s right … a book. You buy them for less than $20 … and then you read them … and you get smarter and better at stuff. It’s a christmas miracle!!!!!
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Sarah Celenco Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 1:05 am
*Droid* Who reads books anymore? You are a big NERD and That’s why I love ya.
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# 22 February 2010 at 4:24 pm

robbins said:
hey tony robbins also had a dot con company that went tits up
dreamlife.com
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,82295#msg-82295
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# 22 February 2010 at 5:12 pm

the voice of reason said:
Um…isn’t one of the more obvious questions (which hasn’t been raised by salty super lib) to ask these charlatans manning the phones for minumum wage–”if these programs are such a license to print money, why are you schlepping for minumum wage? Why aren’t you one of the people making 20k a month using these programs?” Of course, the answer goes without saying, but it would shut these assholes up. Firing back with the lame, “I am using them–I’m just an eccentric who likes to spend his time bilking people in a boiler room” would just be laughable.
Surely lard ass fuck face gives his shleppers access to these fantasy programs, so why isn’t he constantly losing people to the millionaire lifestyle? Maybe that’s why he’s lost 30 of his shleppers…they’re now fantastically wealthy following the programs.
Keeeeeeyriiiiiiiiiiiist, what a fat ass inbred fuckwad this brunson is.
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almost got sold Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:04 am
I will tell you why they are not making the $20k a month. These guys told me that they are collectively building a multi million dollar business side by side with russell and that he already makes a six figure income with russell and why would he do such a thing that he only works four (4) hours a day. and that I am the one hurting and needs to take better care of my family and even asked me don’t i agree. I was almost sold until i heard that. i could see where people fall for this sale or close whatever.
YOU DID NOT GET ME…I WILL NEVER BUY ANYTHING EVER ON LINE WELL MAYBE SMALL ITEMS.
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# 22 February 2010 at 6:26 pm

HoneyJoy said:
“I LOVE how former employees are staging a mutiny and actively speaking against Brunson.
You don’t only have to worry about pissing off customers but employees.
Maybe Brunson got slammed into the mat to many times in college and missed that lesson in business class.”
LMAO, that is so much like shithead Schirmers story. He has had so many employees flow through his crap business for years because he manages to piss them all off really quick. I’m thinking that the guy must have had a shit life as a kid to treat people like he does. Some of his exemployees happen to be people that I really respect and they really have gone places but they shoved all Schirmers shit under the carpet to get there. If only these guys realised what people really think and say about them they would be mortified.
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damn man Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:10 am
Jesus, can’t you PLEASE talk about Schirmer under the Schirmer posts? Always trying to inject comments of other posts with the damn Schirmer fixation. Yeah Schirmer sucks but GD, can’t you stay focused on the topic at hand…which right here, is Russell-freaking-Brunson? Pretty freaking please?
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# 22 February 2010 at 8:02 pm

soso said:
As is repeated over and over and over again….
When you have done something bad against other people nobody will ever remember the good you have done no matter how much you might wish they did. Its far to late then to wish it was different, you have to make it different.
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# 22 February 2010 at 9:20 pm

Not Brunson! Again! said:
Anyone that deals with Brunson is a non caught criminal like Brunson, or they just don’t know who they are dealing with. I almost worked for that Mr. Brunson when he bought a place but afterwords he realized he could not do business there! had No internet connection at that area ha! ha! when he made such a stupid mistake like that as a businessman I choose another avenue. He said “don’t worry we’ll add $500 to the customers package and lauighed!. My friend that still works for that silly guy told me he is banned and will never ever be able to have a merchant account! not sure if it happened yet but it’s coming. I will say He never did me wrong but I hear so many of his workers very very upset I’ve heard about that Mexican guy he treated like shit whatever but screwing up this mans future time with his son. Messing with a man at work is bad enough but trying to break up a son from his father is just plane Nasty wrong! I’m told he’s scaring the guy out of a law suit. And yes everyone knows about them not hiring women on his sales floor it’s not news! But now things have changed the ladies can not file suit against him do to the good ole 1099 ESCAPE! Now the sales guys only get commission with no minimum wage And I agree he has no reason to represent the USA in the olympics. The olympic board needs to do a very deep investagation on this guy or it will come out at the end and we as Americans will be a joke. I don’t care about Mr. Brunson it’s just a matter of time he will fall. But we CAN NOT have his name on the Olympic team in any way. Save this post so when if it happens you will have already knew the future.
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# 22 February 2010 at 10:39 pm

Damn. said:
It only took them half a day to yank that Garrett Robbins “testophonial” video off of Russell’s Youtube and get it off the “Dot Com Secrets” site. Way to plead guilty on that one, Russell.
Nothing says “legitimate businessman” like scrambling to cover your tracks when you get busted.
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Anonymous Reply:
February 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 pm
And now that Garrett guy is selling cars, 4×4′s motor bikes you name it. Guess he needs a tax break he plays with them then sells them as a small lost but a good write off. he’s smart but does anyone know about him massaging some employees legs or something like that? was it a femal? I only heard a little about it and i know they hire men only at the sales department. just thought i’d mention it not sure if actually happened. but i am told he’s a lil touchy and likes to touch and play. ok i’m not sure about this one just wondering. so i’m not saying you are garrett.
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SD Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:23 am
I’ve heard some strange stuff about inappropriate touching … if it’s true … Garrett better hope that he’s not reported to the authorities. An office isn’t a Jr. High School locker room. Touching people :: as he’s alleged to have done :: could be considered criminal … and is most definitely the civil tort of battery.
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SD Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:18 am
@Damn.
Too bad for TweedleDumb and TweedleDumber that I copy everything I link to. So it’s going right back up!
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Anonymous Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 12:44 am
That’s only a small part of it him taking down the fake testimonials.
Russell has spent some million dollars or so not sure the exact amount but it was huge. It was for an infomercial for dotcon. They always pumped salesmen up about it for over a year all the time he spoke about it, it was going to be the best thing ever for dotcon and we would all make tons of money.
And when it was ready to go on air Russell pulled it and stopped it! He got scared about the FTC doing investigations on other guys like him. Why would he pull a million dollar infomercial from hitting the air and ready to go after all that money and time? Just think about it.
Of course at one of our many daily briefings or as the salesmen called it “damage control” (without management knowing) they told us do to the FTC we will not run it, why?
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SD Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 4:40 am
Does anyone else know anything about this botched infomercial? That would be a funny story.
I just saw one of those last night by this D-bag ….
http://www.anthonymorrison.com/
My Internet Marketing strategies work so well … I’ve decided to advertise on television!
Kill me now! {not to be taken literally by all those who would like to kill me now}
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Another pissed off and screwed former employee Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 3:48 am
Yes about 9 people that still work there and easily over 100 other guys but no women that went in and out of that revolving door in 2009.
These are not my numbers but dotcon numbers. Call them and ask them.
Also if there has ever been a women that has worked there please post it here and let society and Brunsons future female customers know about it because Brunson can not show such a fact! And that’s a fact!
But times are changing and they will be having them soon do to all of this guaranteed.
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anon for this one Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
What did the million dollars go to? Producing the commercial? Or buying the airtime? I’m thinking the airtime could be resold and he could recoup his losses there. And I doubt he’d put a million into production values. I wonder if this isn’t another Brunson scam.
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# 22 February 2010 at 11:19 pm

OH YES...YES THANK YOU GOD. said:
FINALLY ENOUGH FORMER AND PRESENT EMPLOYEES ARE FIGHTING BACK. I’VE WAITED FOR THIS SINCE MARCH OF 2009. THIS MAN IS BAD. I’M ONLY GOING TO SAY THAT HE FUCKED ME OUT OF $5,000.00 THEY PUT A FEW CENTS AT THE END TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE NOT JUST A STRIGHT NUMBER. I WAS SOLD BY A GUY NAMED CODY BUT I’M SURE THAT’S NOT HIS REAL NAME. AND STILL GOT CALLS FROM THE SAME NUMBER WITH THAT JOINT VENTURE THE OTHER GUY SPOKE ABOUT SAYING RUSELLS PARTNERED UP WITH ANIK SINGAL AND IT WAS FROM THE SAME CODY. GUESS EVERYONES NAME IS CODY AT THAT PLACE. CODY TOLD ME SORRY AND AS I QUESTIONED HIM IT SEEMED AS THOUGH WE HAD A BAD CONNECTION AND WERE DISCONNECTED. I CALLED BACK LEFT THREE MESSAGES BUT NO CODY HAS CALLED BACK AS OF DATE.
SO CODY LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED MY NUMBER AGAIN SO WE MAY SPEAK ABOUT ALL THE COMPANIES YOU GUYS REPRESENT.
BEFORE YOU GO TO THE OLYMPICS YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT ABOUT SO DON’T WAIST YOUR MONEY. BOISE IDAHO CHECK INTO THIS GUY OR HE WILL PUT A BAD TASTE IN BOISE STATES MOUTH AFTER ALL OF BOISE’S WONDERFUL ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
I’M CONCERNED ABOUT LEAVING MY NAME AS RUSS HAS LOTS OF MONEY TO HAVE SOMEONE HURT.
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J Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Dude. Less Caps = More Readability.
Just a thought
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# 22 February 2010 at 11:20 pm

Suck my balls whining bitches said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Frankly, you all are really in need of something – oh yeah…It is called a life. You get off by calling people that you do not even know fucked up names and downing mormons, peoples families, and hard working people who are good at their jobs in advertising, marketing, sales, and SEO.
You can build a fucking rocket if you buy the right book, but going to college is a lot better for most people. People that buy this service are NO different than those that want to go to school to change their life and drop out…OR the flip side with THOSE that actually do something with it and make money with an online business. The teaching there is sound, the material is comprehensive, and there really is not a question that people can make money online using these principles taught to them.
The fact is most do not do anything with what they learn, or go chasing some other magic unicorn that farts fucking fairy dust as soon as they get distracted by the next shiny object they see. You all are pathetic losers that could actually make a living online selling products or services to people worldwide – except for the glaring fact that you are too busy trying to talk shit on other people and wallowing in your already miserable (and painfully obvious), fucking sad existences.
Most of these “sales employees” that are making comments on this site are faggot ass fucktards that apparently cannot spell worth a shit, on top of the fact that they are already ill informed whining punk bitches that never had the balls to say this shit to anyones face. What especially pisses me off is the fact that they really think they know what they are talking about.
You dumb shits really do not know what you are talking about when it comes to Russell or the rest of his operation. You want to believe this drivel because you need to get your mind off of the simple fact that you inserted your bitch tampon in the wrong hole and cannot pull it out.
Comments will be voted down – by jackasses that follow you like little sheeple – just like they desperately want to cling onto anyone else they think can help them Droid, you exploit these fuckwads just as much as any other IM’r. You all remind me of the cancer that infects most workplaces – the negative whining feefeeboys that want to blame all of their problems and all of their failures on the fact that they were trodden upon, making them the downtrodden of course.
Take responsibility for your lives and go start a business, enjoy a hobby, play with your children, make a sandwich, slap your salami, or whatever the fuck you want to do – because frankly….YOU ARE NOT going to get anything out of posting bitch material on some faggots (http://saltydroid.info) website cheering him on like the mob you are – go apply some knowledge, read a fucking book, get a mentor, or whatever you need to make your life worth living – and go and do it…bitches.
Go ahead and vote this shit down, everyone will still read it to see what it says and you will vote it down because when you look into the mirror at night, you know I’m right. Go fuck yourselves cocksuckers.
LOSER!! ::   -5
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howzdat Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:25 am
Always been this insecure and scared? Of course you have. This blog helps people see their demons, and you’ve just seen yours. Too bad it’s having you for breakfast in the morning. Go salt yourself, loser.
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James Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:44 am
SO, it seems Garrett Robbins replies…..Welcome to the blog Garrett.
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SD Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:53 am
@SMBWB ::
I don’t need to be cheered on by any obsequious mobs :: your mistaking me for you. My fuel is the sound of insecure predators shitting in their pants. Thanks for the top off.
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He is alive Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:51 am
Word for word behind closed doors that is, Robbins is now up stairs away from all sales people because NO ONE even liked him and had no respect for him and he knew it. His famous words were you’re fired. Well Mr. Robbins guess what the feds will soon say You’re fired! Better get those boob inhancements for your little pretty wife soon.
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J Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
If those were his famous words, he could be in trouble. “You’re Fired” is a trademarked phrase by Donald Trump :)
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:35 am
@SMBWB
Amazing display of verbal prowess. Although I admire your eloquent choice of words, the gist of your rant and all that you really had to say was simply:
“n’uh uh.”
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Anonymous Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 12:54 am
Just a guy on a power trip in a right to work state. takes advantage of those little guys.
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_cartman_ Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 10:59 am
“The fact is most do not do anything with what they learn, or go chasing some other magic unicorn that farts fucking fairy dust as soon as they get distracted by the next shiny object they see.”
translation: how do we explain away the 99% failure rate that comes with our product…I know…lets say that most don’t use the product….and then go off and chase other unicorns….
hmmm…well….if they go off chasing “some *other* magic unicorn that farts fairy dust” (keyword being other), that would indicate you see your own stuff as a “magic unicorn that farts fairy dust”….hence the use of the term “other”….see you’re being honest…you’re just being honest on a subcutaneous level (that means below the level of cutaneous awareness)
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“Comments will be voted down – by jackasses that follow you like little sheeple”
That’s one interpretation of why your post would be voted down…the correct interpretation would be that most people will vote on your comment based on your creative interpretation of “reality”….and looking at your post “score”….most would tend to disagree with your comment..even with all your gaming..
as for me being a sheeple…well I am no sheeple…and Salty said it would be okay if I said that….
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What type of language is that? Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 5:05 am
I guess since you are hiding and no one can see you, nice words coming from a Mormon Garrett
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# 23 February 2010 at 12:02 am

Is all that stuff true? said:
I don’t get it? If it was such a bad place to work then why did you stay there? I mean the company doesn’t want it’s employee to see it’s own kid? Seems like if there making that much money they would have other things to worry about. The post smell a bit funny to me.
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Zulu77 Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:30 am
Uh, that was a COMMENT you were referring to, and NOT the post. ‘Kay? You know what I mean, ‘kay? If you watch some of Russell’s brilliant bizzyness videos, you’ll know what I mean, ‘kay? You might even think his videos smell a bit funny, ‘kay? You don’t mind paying big bucks to get videos that have lots of ‘kays in them, do you? ‘Kay?
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It's real Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:27 am
I know the man that Garrett gave threats to about his son. Garrett is trying to scare the guy out of a law suit over discrimination sexual harrassment. He actually rubbed the guys privates he actually invited employees to watch seriously! NO JOKE it happened it’s real and when it’s time for me to testify I will because this has happened.
Why work there the same reason you work TO LIVE! dotcom loves telling the employees how there is no work out there they mind set you in a place where you are caught.
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Susan Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:55 am
I never worked for this company but my friend did and he said atleast most of this is true. Also I find it interesting that this company has stopped calling any lead which comes from Idaho that’s strange. Why would they not want to do business in the city or even state where they are based?
Why would they not want a local person to be successful? Just strange!
So I tryed just for myself and I did generate a lead over a month ago and have never received a call. I even made it seem as I was very interested in having a coach and money was not an object. I have not received a call as of date. Just a thought.
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Watching The Train Wreck Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Probably easier for local state government authorities to bust his operation for shady business than it is for out of state agencies. That is probably the only logical explanation.
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Shamara 5 minutes from Dotcomsecretes Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 4:25 am
Ok I did it I created a lead via dotcomsecretes these call centers never stop calling I know. But I tryed it like you did I’ll wait for my call from the Brunson team. If called or or not I will tell you they called or not, I’m in Boise about two miles from them.
If they do call I will ask for a female sales person and will tell you about that also because I have four daughters.
And if this is correct I will do all I can to expose them.
And it will be my passion to show all because I’m not only a women but I am a proud black women and have much experience in some people not giving me a try even hating me for my color of my skin but I trust in God that eases my hurt. That kid Karl will not have anything over what I will do. If he’s done anything at all.
No disrespect to you karl. Also I looked into his background check and that was 20 YEARS ago when he did wrong. Guess that’s why he had to work for a call center seems as though he is still being punished by the system. I assume! It’s sad when society will not allow a person after many years to move forward in life. Bless all of you good salesmen that do work there. Think they will let me in the door? Because my girls are educated and I will not allow such things to slow down my girls of their future.
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Black People are on their way Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 5:11 am
Good for you sister I’ll post the job openings at my black church.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 9:15 am
@Black People are on their way, are you kidding? The moronic church…err I mean the mormonic church hates black people, they only tolerate them as tokens for damage control. The core teaching of the moronic church..err mormonic church is elitism, separatism and godhood.
P.S. they also hate Hispanics, Asians and anyone with a tan.
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# 23 February 2010 at 1:11 am

George said:
Havent you guys noticed Russell has never made money outside the IM industry? Didn’t get his big break by doing a joint venture with another IMer? Just like Mikey Filsaime, another one who only makes money selling in the IM field and crappy products to boot. All these guys do is build big lists and sell each others can’t live without crappy products to each other. Then they “convince” themselves they are really helping the little guys to make it like them. Yeah, right.
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# 23 February 2010 at 6:24 am

mikefilsaimeinder said:
Droid – Ryan Deiss also is a “religious” man. He tells his partners that he will not work on Sunday so that he can go to church and be with his family. His JV manager tells potential JV partners that he will not work on Sunday, will not talk to other marketers or do anything and play that up to show that he is so honest and Christian to make you think you can trust him and he is good guy. You will never see the Deiss utter a curse word in a speech.
People took my last post a little too far and I don’t want to take away from what you are saying. But I do not believe there is a sinister conspiracy, just big money people behind some of these marketers and the Filsaime, Silver, running man, Fallon, Schefren are alll more connected with each other than the other syndicate buddies and have big money man puppet masters backing them just as Kern, Walker, Jenksins, Reese are all closer with one another than they are with the east coast gang who uses the Silver adventures to bring new people to promote into the fold and control and manpiulate them. Check out where Schefren’s office is and Filsaimes office is there physical addresses. It would be intersting to know who owns the office building.
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208-577-6210 Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Yep, it’s a great litmus test for a manipulative conniving bastard – do they take every opportunity to let you know what a wonderful, deeply religious man they are? If so, they are almost always trying to manipulate you. Notable exceptions include:
(1)David “Schirmer” Scammer – purveyor of Christian Investment Secrets. David is at least 123% Christian…in the sense that there’s no evidence of his Christianity at all.
(2)Rabbi Harlan D Kilstein – Grand Yoga Master of Boca Raton. They all laughed when he said he was a copywriter…then when he was selling yoga…then when he claimed to be a ‘teacher’…then..
(3)Russell Brunson of the Church of the Latter Day Morons – His status as a moron has continually propelled Brunson to new heights of stupidity, and he needs all your help to spread the word (on a commission-only basis)
(4)James Arthur Ray – inspired preacher who encourages us to give, give, give…preferably $500k..to those in need.
(5)Ryan Deiss – portable but surprisingly dense. Do not expose to direct sunlight. Not guaranteed to be a Christian. Non-refundable.
In fact, if you broaden your outlook beyond Salty’s target market here, you’ll see evidence of the same tactic everywhere. What you ask yourself is – why is this guy’s religion relevant? If he’s selling life insurance (or indeed, nothing at all, as in the above 5 instances) then mentioning his religion or charitable nature is a tasteless, hypocritical, openly cynical tactic to part you from your money.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 9:17 am
@mikefilsaimeinder, yea just like Harlan Kilstein won’t do his regular vinegar colonics on the sabbath, cuz he’s a good jewish rabbi.
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# 23 February 2010 at 6:27 am

SD (author) said:
@Insider ::
You’re totally right about Deiss :: his fake Christianity is every bit as hypocritical and disgusting as Brunson’s fake Mormonism. I shall return to kicking Ryan’s ass soonish.
And I liked your crazy comment … it was fun.
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# 23 February 2010 at 7:02 am

Misguided Masses Should Listen Up said:
Yes, I am hiding behind a proxy – because I respect the Droid’s knowledge of how the net works (IP tracing, etc), though the Droid himself is quite misguided. I have no quarrel with you Droid, and I even agree with you quite frequently regarding many of the shysters that you talk about. HOWEVER, you are a bit misguided when you talk about Russell Brunson. Just enough truth mixed in with alot of fabrication and supposed inside info. Just enough to get the masses all frothy at the mouth. Rabid even.
Here is the deal:
Before I was a student – I was struggling to get an online business up and running. After I went through training, I am making WELL over 60k a month in revenue, with 20-30k in pure profit EVERY MONTH. I do not sell IM stuff, I make affiliate sales and also have my own products. In fact, most people that are in his training don’t get into IM stuff.
What you perceive as a person preying on others is in fact someone that took my business to the highest level, and though I worship no man, I must say that Russell has earned my respect when it comes to teaching people how to make money online.
Droid, I wish you would spend time on the real people destroying our economy, freedom, country, respect……all of the while laughing to the bank. I am referring to Politicians and Religion of course.
Again, I have no quarrel with you, or your rabid masses. I know several people that Russell and his program have helped make their businesses online very successful (making over 100k a year profit), and others that have failed (just like regular jobs and situations in life). Please consider this before your usual (and quite tart) response.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   0
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SD Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:10 pm
@Misguided ::
You are an obviously disingenuous liar.
If you are making $60k a month … then show us your site tough guy … otherwise shut your mouth.
Brunson’s main “product” :: MicroContinuity :: is a fraud on it’s face. Pretend like something is free … and then bill people’s credit cards $97 a month FOREVER. Not only will that not make you money :: but it’s the exact thing that just caused 1000′s of people to permanently lose their merchant accounts.
Some of these IM gurus are secretly fiendishly smart assholes who are working people over. It’s easy to fooled by liars like you saying they’ve “made me rich.” But Brunson is not one of those gurus. He’s a belligerently stupid person … and every word out of his mouth is stupid. He has not helped a single person … and has caused MASSIVE suffering.
If you are actually making $60k a month … then maybe you should consider giving Russell a loan … because he is on the precipice of financial disaster.
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Anonymous Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:30 pm
I still work for this freak Saint Brunson but not for long. I never hear of a customer actually making money like that and we call the same people over and over. I have heard many many many many customers pissed off at me because they already spent thousands of dollars with him and he begs for leads which end up being repeat customers and I (we)get the butt of the anger and pain. Yes do show us you made that money via Brunson.
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Anonymous Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 4:46 am
Show the proof wheres your tax statements and your friends proof.
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Stacy Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 1:08 am
Nice sales letter. this is the same reason you can’t write your own testimonials. It’s just too obvious to the reader that you are full of shit. Kern, jeremy johnson, deiss, all of the jeffs and most mormons are all douches. Hit me up for proof if you have the stomach for it.
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# 23 February 2010 at 8:43 am

To far re post. said:
Ok iv been watching this from the side and I know the old employee that is saying all that. That is going to far Garrett is not like that at all.
It’s sounding like they are coming from the same old employee made to sound like it’s everyone else.
 
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42 down to 11 Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 am
So are you saying only one of the 31 employees that have left and the few that were let go in the past 45 days or so is actually posting all or most of this?
I guess the other 30 former employees love and repcect Russell and Garrett and are happy to have worked for these guys. That’s why they all left in 45 days or so.
Come on guy be real do you see the numbers? Makes me wonder if you were are actually are an employee.
Tell me how many non white guys work on the floor? 1
Tell me how many women work on the floor? 0
Tell me how many carrots have been promised and taken away? I can’t remember them all
Tell me how many handicaped people work on the floor 0.. all they have to do is have a head set on and be able to read a script
Do the math it’s easy 42-11=31 folks gone! Do you still work there? I guess not.
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Anonymous Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 2:20 pm
I agree out of all the guys that are now gone from that place you think this is one man? ok I’ll keep an open mind.
Note: I seen Russell on channel 7 local news and was fascinated by him but now I’m reading things that the news didn’t mention I will call all of the news stations and mention this blog just to see if this Brunson fellow is what he claims to be.
Soly based on him representing th USA that’s my concern.
And this Garrett fellow that is partner with Brunson don’t screw up things for Brunson if he is what he claims to be.
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only 9 left Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 4:54 am
New info he only has 9 people left, but is advertising on craigslist everyday. With different numbers and now have at least one closer advertising for them. Some posts don’t even have a name just reads send e-mail and name and number.
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K. Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 5:19 am
Who cares who helps advertise, the two closers they still have are good guys and are not like Russell and Garrett. They are real genuine guys.
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# 23 February 2010 at 10:01 am

2012? said:
I recently seen Mr. Brunson on the local tv station so decided to learn more about him being a local guy.
Give him a chance ask him to have a local meeting to clear his name.
Seems as though if he were honest he would have a local meeting and invite all who want to attend so he could show that everyone hear is unhonest about what is being said.
Perhaps he is a good man but it concerns me about his name representing the United States if infact these things are true. If not true leave him alone.
Mr. Brunson I will support you 100% but you should not hide that concerns me.
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# 23 February 2010 at 12:14 pm

Watching The Train Wreck said:
Did he actually make the United States Greco Wrestling team?
Look athletes are not necessarily role models. Sure he will leverage the shit out of an olympic experience for financial gain but if he is better than every other greco wrestler in the USA in his weight… freaking leave him alone. If you don’t like it find someone to beat him on the mat.
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Anonymous Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Most everyone he hired can take him to the mat. By the way he showers every morning down stairs below his sales floor and at times there is usually only him and one other younger guy in the building that early.
The doors are all locked at that time in the morning.
Ask him about it Mrs. Brunson and watch his eyes and facial movements and you may be surprized of his reaction or lack or reaction.
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SD Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:26 pm
@TrainWreck ::
Olympic athletes ARE supposed to be role models. It’s a fair trade :: every two years we all watch stupid sports that we don’t care about :: in return they are supposed represent the best of our countries … and inspire our kids {and us} to try hard :: play fair :: never give up :: and all that other cliched bullcrap.
Brunson making the team is just a joke :: he should stop thinking about it :: and instead focus on staying out of jail. Things have changed … and hell is coming for him.
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# 23 February 2010 at 12:31 pm

Wanted top sales representatives said:
Go to Boise Craigslist 2/22/10 “TOP SALES REPRESENTATIVES”
This is Brunson and Robbins posting for sales people they claim sales people could make $100k-200k. As of December of 2009 the average sales person made somewhere from minimum wage up to about $22k. At that time
end of the year only two guys made over 100k out of some 40 people. And they were right hand guys but they were good.
If you want to work for them have them prove to you how many people made $100-200k in 2009. And since they are constantly posting adds daily for sales people I’ll help them out office # 208-343-0995 ext 7219
Mr. Robbins him self 801-687-2737
Question everything and remember they are good minipulators.
But remember no minimum wage, only commission now! no insurance nothing!
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# 23 February 2010 at 1:06 pm

Well! said:
If you know this guy and you know the truth what’s his name? atleast his first name? and who are you? are you afraid of this guy or what?
I want the truth that’s all let’s hear this guys name along with yours.
Do you work for this outfit?
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# 23 February 2010 at 2:01 pm

Anonymous said:
So do you work for this company? Our are you Garrett?
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# 23 February 2010 at 2:10 pm

Choice said:
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Bottom Line:
Everything comes down to choice. SD has the choice to create a hateful website. Russell has a choice to run a business the way he chooses. Employees have a choice to stay, or to leave employment. Customers have a choice to purchase a product or service.
Also, those that choose to make their life a positive one, will do so. Those who choose to make personal hurtful attacks against others will only find the same pain. Its all about choices folks.
LOSER!! ::   -10
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Choice (Corrected) Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Real Bottom Line:
“Everything comes down to choice. SD has the choice to empower ripped off people to have a say. Russell has a choice to run a boiler room any way he wants to and push the limits any way he wants to assuming he’s willing to suffer any consequences that result. Employees have a choice to stay and make no money and try to squeeze money out of people in a dire economy. Customers have a choice to believe what Russell says or use their better judgment and not be pressured, assuming they aren’t in dire circumstances and easily duped by promises.
Also, those that choose to bury their head in the sand and ignore reality will do so. Those who choose to question grandiose claims will probably be much happier in the end. It’s all about choices folks.”
(Just like the choice I made to give a “thumbs down” to the idiot Brunson apologist’s comment above this one.)
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# 23 February 2010 at 3:23 pm

Setting things straight said:
~ Edit by The Droid :: Supreme dictator! 
  I am a former employee of dotcomsecrets and am really pissed about  the loser that is spending time lying his ass off breaking people down.  In fact 90% of the negative comments above are from a guy that is an ex-employee/ ex-felon. That dotcomsecrets gave a chance too. What I want to do is take a minute and tell you about who this guy is
   His name is Karl **~** Wang Chung Sebastian St. Mark of the Dutch … it’s a stupid name … but Karl loves it.**~** I am going to put some information in here about him but dont take my word for it. I will give you a link that you can see the character of this guy he feels like he is owed something for failing at everything in his life.  He has been a failure as a Husband (two divorces that I know of) a failure as a father(multiple restraining order against him from his kids) and a failure in society (a convicted felon) I think 5-6 years.  This guy was given a chance at doing a sales job from Russell and Garrett.  He actually recruited me telling me how great it was.  I remember someone saying Karl has recruited more people for DCS than anyone else.  He talks about his kid and not being able to see him because of his employer maybe you should call Garrett and ask him how many times Karl had his kids in the office.  Sounds like a pretty good place to work when your employer becomes your daycare also.  I remember when this guys dad died and the company advanced him $500 to go to his dads funeral what a bunch of assholes.  There were also a number of times when Garrett did workout sessions with all the sales guys.   I never went but heard Karl was always going with Garrett????  If your boss is a jackass why would you hang out with him more than you need to???
    So why is someone doing this you might ask???  The reason is Karl is trying to commit blackmail against Garrett (I heard) in fact he demanded a huge sum of money because he feels like the world owes him something
   The reason I know this is Karl showed me some of the posts and was laughing at how this was going to make him a ton of money. I just cant stand to see someone lying through their teeth. That is what Karl is doing if you dont believe me run a background check on him he is a real piece of shit. here is a link
http://www.integrascan.com/
just type in **~** I Dream of Jennie **~* Hickville Idaho and you can find out for yourself.
Karl because I know you are going to be reading this tonight because you have no fucking life.  I want to tell you a few things.  I am not coming over to your house anymore I am not going to be involved with you and I hope that this goes to court someday because I am just going to go and tell the truth if it does. get a life and quit crying because nobody owes you anything. YOU ARE A LOSER and are dragging me down, your kids down, your ex-wives down.  Grow a set of balls and go talk with Garrett man-to-man.  I did and he took care of me when I left with a severance pkg because I wasn’t an ass.  Maybe something you should remember working with the other sales-floor you are doing the same thing on.
 
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SD Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:26 pm
@SettingThingsStr8 ::
I’m not sure what to make of that comment. You don’t sound completely disingenuous. If you are in fact an ex-employee .. then please email me so I can ask you a couple of questions. I don’t give a fuck about “Karl” bringing his kids to work … or about any of his … or your … personal problems. Don’t be so sure you know who’s who around here. Things are always more complicated than they look … I’m not totally sure myself what’s going on in these comments. Too many proxies.
For the record :: I’m out to expose {and hopefully stop} Russell Brunson because I think his practices victimize the innocent. I stand for them … any infighting about money is all ya’ll’s tawdry business. It’s got nothing to do with me. Brunson wants me to back down … then he can stop ripping off middle age divorcees who know jack shit about the Internet.
On the other hand :: your comment also feels a bit like a Scientology style “fair game” attack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)
If that’s the case … then you can rot in hell.
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It's true - this is BS Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:59 pm
I know this to be fact as well. The poster did not tell a shred of a lie. Not once. I saw the kids at the office all of the time, they let his ex-wife come there and sell tamales to all of the guys at lunch, took Karl on vacation in vegas at pretty much no cost, tried to give him chances and all of that.
I like Karl but am pissed that this has gone this far. All of these people saying this are really full of it, and I also know of clients making large sums of money. Seriously, this is out of hand and like any business teaching people that start businesses, it has a failure rate. I personally know people making money as clients.
Look, nobody is perfect, and I know that Russell is actually a genuine guy – so I want to set this straight.
Garrett didn’t touch anyone that way – the context is way blown out of proportion and I actually witnessed the “incident”. Karl – stop lying man. I liked you and had respect for you but you are seriously lying and having other lie too.
Every word in the post above is true Droid. If you wanna ask me personally – bring it.
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Chad Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:19 am
The same questions for you does Russell do backgroud checks on his employees?
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Setting things straight Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Feel free to email me jackhandy66@hotmail.com
I will answer any question you have
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SD_Luva Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 10:34 am
LOL. “Out to stop Russel Brunson”? Like you “stopped” Andy Jenkins?
AJ just came off one of the most successful product launches in internet marketing in the last year. He made millions from his launch.
Did you stop him?
Did you even impact him?
Seems kind of odd that you don’t even mention his recent success on your blog. Is it that it shows how inconsequential you are?
If the impact you have on RB is the same as the impact you’ve had on AJ, looks like RB is going to go on and have a killer financial year.
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Ron Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Killer financial year! You are correct I wonder how many RB’s cutomers have killed themeself by Russell taking the last bit of credit for those that are already at their last ends and hope that it actually works.
Imagine you have $5k left on a card and your only hope is Russells program will work. You dedicated yourself do it all correct then it’s your faught because it did not work.
That killed me knowing I was doing such things for Russell but I left just after one month I was not desperate that much to stay there and do that. Oh yeah the man is good for taking your money.
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Anonymous Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:13 am
I worked with Karl over there and I just left a message on his phone about this blog after reading his name. I’m sure I’ll have to tell him how to get to it or show him he’s not quite the computer kind of guy.
But I’m pretty sure he will respond and not hide like Russell and Garrett.
What a friend to write such things about but you did mention you received a severance package did you not? sounds like another dotcom pay off and now you turned on him was it the money? And why did you leave that heaven on earth place?
Hey bud you through out Karl’s name but never mentioned yours what a guy and why not?
I will call Karl again in the morning.
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Chad Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:16 am
Are you saying Russell hires felons? they work with everyones credit card information oh my God that is disturbing. Does he not do background checks knowing his peolple take very personal information? How many felons work there? A business should do background checks when they know they will be dealing with credit card information. Does the Boise BBB know about this?
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Mormoons Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:34 am
Maybe Russell only does a Mormon background check. Is there only one checkbox on the job application under “religion,” and it only lets you check (x)Mormon? That could be an indicator.
Also, are there secret rooms there where you have to perform a special handshake and know the password to get in? I bet whatever Russell named that airplane is also the secret password! Someone try it and see if they will let you in the secret room. If you do manage to get inside, look for the secret internet scrolls.
Tip: DO NOT offer any of the staff/believers coffee! (It’s outlawed in the mormon codebook.) That would be a giveaway. Just maintain a glazed look in your eyes and occasionally say, “Glory to us believers!” Good luck.
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Poop Chute Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Many phone boiler rooms hire felons. There are phone rooms AT prisons. They just lead folks through the sales process, then if they “close” it’s passed on to a NON-felon to get the info and process card, etc.
This is done all the time.
Not saying Russel’s trustworthy to follow this protocol with his own room — and what I’m seeing here would indicate he can’t be trusted with it.
But generally speaking felons can work sales floors without cause of concern to the customers IF it’s properly managed.
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Concerned tax payer Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Correct if it were properly managed look where they are today by managing, that gives you an idea on how properly they manage customers credit card info. I never worked for this Brunson only heard about him
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Mock Me Baby Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:38 am
@Chad
Even in states that require a telemarketing license (not sure if Idaho is one of them) – a felon can often get a license as long as their crimes did not involve credit card or financial fraud.
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Ret. United States Marine Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 5:52 am
Mr. Brunson yes or no do you do criminl background checks? if yes would you please show us that you do? It does sound simple enough to prove like the other guy said. If not then you don’t need to reply it says it all. Please show us you are what you claim so these people will shut up! A man in your power and now with national attention you will hurt yourself more by being silent over such a small request.
I have no judgement of you. You can earn my instant respect or will loose my respect.
Show something other then just building yourself up on the local news. Please I just want to know who might be representing Boise and the United States. I am a former U.S. Marine and I love my country.
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Manufacture Proof! Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 6:05 am
Shouldn’t be that hard to MANUFACTURE PROOF OF SUCCESSful background checks for this occasion. Manufacturing Proof Of Success on the spot seems possible given the video in SD’s post above.
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# 23 February 2010 at 8:07 pm

Clueless in Ida-ho said:
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Holy shit this is all Karl?
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Anonymous Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 6:01 am
Why would this carl guy say somthing like this? obviously a prank. get real people. Looks like someones playing around. Hey maybe it was his former friend that received the severence pack that left the place that he loved.
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# 23 February 2010 at 8:25 pm

i should play god, and shoot u myself said:
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lol now would be a good time to start drinking beer?? haha wow u dont know anything about russell brunson at all. he doesnt need a crutch to get past painful times in his life like many of you low life shitheads commenting on this blog do. hes stronger than that. if anything he’ll start another business and move on with his life making more $$$ than any of u guys combined. same goes for garrett. these guys are great bosses and entrepreneurs and everyone on the sales floor are the best coworkers ive ever worked with.
ya im a former DCS salesman. ive sold to many people and have seen the success and change in their lives with russells internet knowledge BECAUSE THEY FUCKING IMPLEMENTED IT. as for no women on the floor….ummm well when i was hired, pretty damn fucking sure there was a girl working on the floor. who says they dont hire saleswomen??? get your facts straight u fuck. DCS was by far the best job i have ever had. an amazing environment, amazing and smart people, just an all around great place to be around. as far as not having internet knowledge…when u make your first sale, u get all of DCS secrets and i started implenting them right away. half these comments are probably laid off employees who couldnt make a sale :( sooo sad. oh by the way u got all the commission % wrong dumb fuck.
DCS has changed my life for the better. coming in not knowing what to do with my life. DCS was more than a job to me. Russell and Garrett are my biggest influences in my life and now i can say i know what i want to do with my life. this was by far the cleanest sales floor i have ever worked on. go ahead and bash them all u want. they can take it cuz theyre stronger than u and any other dumbass haters out there. droid your more useless than this blog is, just a fucking TOOL!
lol and your p.s. to russell. fuck u fuck face? what do u have the mind of a jr high school student? try this
ps droid…I should kick you, beat your face in, shove a dilido up your ass (i know youll LOVE that), cut your salty chode off and feed it to u and then shoot you in your fucking head!!!
pps…have a great day
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J Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:45 pm
Classy :)
Learn your rebuttal skills from RB?
Death threats are always a good way to go…to jail.
Probably something you should keep in mind next time you open your clearly uneducated mouth.
@SD
It appears that some of them are gaming your rating feature to make idiotic comments like the above show massive positive feedback when clearly the general readership wouldn’t give a thumbs up to this garbage.
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i should play god, and shoot u myself Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 12:10 am
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your damn right i got my rebuttal skills from RB. your talking about Rupert the Bear from Family Guy right? stewies bear?? oh man hes funny. great show. so im uneducated? ok lets read my post again and explain to me where u get the sense that im “uneducated”…………..
dont get all jealous that i got +9 and winner. i was expecting thumbs down but i guess there are some intelligent people reading this site. unfortunately u arent one of them. i feel very sorry for u :/
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i should play god, and shoot u myself Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 12:19 am
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oh look at u!!!! youve got -2!!!! congratulations!! seems to me your comment was more idiotic garbage than mine. probably something you should keep in mind next time you open your clearly uneducated mouth. oh by the way…if u knew good music…i was only quoting a song. even Rupert Bear listens to TOOL
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208-577-6210 Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 5:56 am
yawn…
(1)Please do write back and point out Russell’s hidden strengths
(2)I’ve enjoyed jobs before, but I’ve never been this vehement in defence of an old boss: “..shoot you in the fucking head?” Why are you?
(3)Why do you guys always mention shoving something up Salty’s ass?
(4)In the time you’ve spent commenting, then gaming the ratings, shouldn’t you have been implementing DotConSecrets? Your time must be more valuable surely?
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# 23 February 2010 at 11:05 pm

Don't Trust Salty. said:
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Just a fair warning about Salty. Dont trust him. He will burn you after he has what he needs. Just like he will to this “Karl” kid. Don’t fall into he’s trap.
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Harold Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Looks like members of the Latter Day Sinners are out in full force today…
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Creepy Mormon Cult Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:17 am
I’ll say. That is one creepy cult!
http://listverse.com/2008/02/04/top-10-bizarre-mormon-beliefs/
http://www.mormoncult.org
http://www.exmormon.org
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# 23 February 2010 at 11:14 pm

Rhode Island Red said:
It appears the Brunsonites have arrived at Salty’s blog. That’s understandable. When sales are few and far between and business sucks, you guys (it’s all guys, right?) have lots of time on your hands. And sheer cash flow paranoia makes you want to defend the craziest things, even if they are totally true. We understand. Really.
Funny, but it wasn’t very long ago that Russell Brunson paid something like $50,000.00 just to “name an airplane.” That’s a judicious use of capital, isn’t it? Certainly paying that much money to “name an airplane” is far more beneficial than say, using that money to pay employees, or even to provide enhanced customer support. Prioritization, people!
Perhaps airplane-naming is on the LDS heaven entry prerequisite list.
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# 24 February 2010 at 12:31 am

annoying said:
This whole thing is stupid
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Lew Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:05 am
You’re right. This whole thing IS stupid! If there weren’t boiler room operations, there would be no need to discuss this. Thank goodness we have Salty here shining a light into a very dark and unholy little corner of Boise!
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annoying Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 5:21 am
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No I meant the other way around nimrod. Everything this Salty Droid bitch is saying is completely false. Thank goodness we have Salty shining a light? Man you sound like a liberal. Thank goodness Obama is going to take care of this country. We haven’t seen such an enormous failure in the first year of a presidency since Jimmy Carter!
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# 24 February 2010 at 12:35 am

Mock Me Baby said:
I find it surprising that they don’t have women or minorities in a phone sales room. Especially if they 1099 them.
I’ve seen phone rooms with people that didn’t have arms, were drunk and took crack-smoking breaks. Usually doesn’t matter in the least… IF they can sell.
Not sure that’s relevant to the convo but I really find it strange. Any employees have an explanation?
Is it the culture of the office?
Do minorities and women even apply?
What kind of ads do they place to hire people?
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Nate in Boise Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
They have been sued so many times and complaints to the Better Business Bureau that they are just now in process of going 1099 if not already done so perhaps a present employee would be able to let us all know?
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lies Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
lies. Show some proof, you know that is not true.
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No Women! Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 3:28 am
Purhaps Brunson and Garrett will clear their names by easily just showing how many women the have hired for sales positions in 2009. That should be easy right? That’s not asking much is it? Of course they will not even do that I’m sure. I know of ZERO women and I’ve worked ther since the end of November 2008 and had left recently. Just as the other guy mentioned they did hire two hispanics one was fired and the other quit. Of course the 1/2 black guy is still around and he is a loyal and good worker and a good man. But they better at least have one of someone other then what they have. Because when you go there it just don’t look right.
Now guys be honest about this it has nothing to do with you that work there but be honest. Have you ever seen a women work there in a sales position? What Russell and Garrett don’t realize is that women are`top sellers in most everything, such a bad business decision once again.
But I will say the do hire them for secretary positions.
But that is how the Mormons do it, the men are in full mental control of their ladies and the men are full control of the church. Just read the book of Mormons even just a few pages. You will learn alot from a Mormon and will be amazed even shocked by a Mormon that has broken his chians of that imprisonment. Very very interesting just ask a former Mormon. That’s not saying Mormans are bad they are just controled and minipulated. I’m not knocking the people just the scary teachings, the churchs even concern me they look demonized. And only certain Mormons can go to certain churchs. Did you know that?
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Ben Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 3:48 am
Maybe it’s because they are afraid that women would be just too emphathetic. Or maybe it’s because a woman’s place is in the home (helping do chores with the other wives). Just guessing.
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# 24 February 2010 at 11:31 am

Donk said:
Of course Russell is a scammer just like the rest of them. I agree he comes across as an idiot, but he does a great job positioning himself. The TV and magazine interviews, the pictures of his family etc all work very well in establishing his “credibility”.
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Lrak Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:17 am
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What are you jealous that he’s a multi-millionaire and made his first million a year after graduating college? I DONT GIVE A FUCK WHAT ANYONE SAYS! RB IS NOT A SCAMMER you fucked up brain washed whiny bitches!
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Leroy Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:36 am
Ok, you’ve convinced me. Anyone who so adroitly uses the phrase, “you fucked up brain washed whiny bitches” clearly has a direct connect to the money-making mothership. Where do we send our life savings and prayers that we’ll ever see it again? Also, how long before you send us back the push button that we need to press for instant wealth? And will it include batteries?
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# 24 February 2010 at 2:30 pm

Karl from Boise said:
Karl from Boise. I mean Nate from Boise. Or is it Karl From Boise?
Karl Quite making crap up we all know it’s you. Why keep making up lies?  Your finished your done move on with your life.
 
 
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Lrak Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:13 am
AGREED!!!
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# 24 February 2010 at 2:55 pm

Dry Balls said:
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I will take it upon myself to answer _cartman_ and his faggotry for mr @suck my balls whining bitches…
“hmmm…well….if they go off chasing “some *other* magic unicorn that farts fairy dust” (keyword being other), that would indicate you see your own stuff as a “magic unicorn that farts fairy dust”….hence the use of the term “other”….see you’re being honest…you’re just being honest on a subcutaneous level (that means below the level of cutaneous awareness)”
actually the unicorn comment most likely had to do with the fact that the people that buy stuff to learn to start businesses usually want to buy the course then hope to god they make money with no effort. They want to say they are going to do the work, but don’t. They want a easy button and get upset when they realize it takes effort to make money. OMG AS IF?
Kinda like dieting and people wanting to take a pill and hit the easy button, instead of hitting the gym and changing their diet.
Nobody gamed that comment, people actually voted it because they wanted to. It’s not like a memo went out saying hey go vote for some guys comment. You ARE A jackass.
“translation: how do we explain away the 99% failure rate that comes with our product…I know…lets say that most don’t use the product….and then go off and chase other unicorns….”
Actually, thank you for saying that because that is EXACTLY the case. Except it is not 99% failure rate. They get distracted and do something else or give up or get upset cuz work is required.
So @cartman…in case u did not read @smbwb’s last line, I will repeat it all special like just for you. GO FUCK YOURSELF COCKSUCKER. Or in your case, GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU FAT, PASTY, TAMPON STUFFING, BALL LICKING COCKSUCKER. You have no right being in the convo because you don’t know shit about shit, and you are just sounding off like some gaywad fanboy. So go eat a twinkle. Or better yet go choke on it.
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Damn. Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
I think you boys need to cycle off the steroids for a bit…
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Ted Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
And stop any group showers.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Poop Chute Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Not even COLD group showers.
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Wizard of the Triad Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
Remember, BELIEVERS don’t talk like that (publicly). They just drink their milk and talk amongst the elder wizards in the secret inner sanctum. We only disparage the nonbelievers privately, although I admit it’s a lot of fun!
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SD Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:13 am
@DryBalls ::
The ratings are being gamed {I :: unlike you :: can see the logs and understand statistics}. Gaming a comment rating system … so pathetic … and as sure a sign of guilt as all the pointless vitriol from behind proxy servers.
Please do keep huffing and puffing though Garrett … you are blowing the parties I wish to speak to str8 toward my sympathetic robot ears {although one imagines that’s not all you’re blowing}.
It’s unfortunate that people think they will be able to achieve overnight success on the Internet … and then give up when things don’t turn out that way. I wonder where they get that stupid idea? On an unrelated subject … here’s an email I received from someone named Russell Brunson …
A lot of people tell me, “sure Russell, Vince may have made $100,000,000, but it won’t work online, or in my business…
After hearing that so many times, I decided to document how I applies what I learned durning my 6 hour call and show you step by step what I did.
The results were awesome – over $66k in the first 7 days, and it’s grown every day since then!
I documented the whole journey with samples of what worked in my new report called the “IM-Myth.” This report is so controversial that I can’t let you access it online.
I will ship it to you though – all I need is your shipping address, (and if you can help cover shipping costs that would be great)
You can get your copy here if they are still availible:
http://im-myth.com/welcome.html
Thanks
Russell Brunson
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Hambone Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:29 am
Did Russell study anything in college besides “sweatin’ and wrasslin’?”
“how I applies what I learned”
Or maybe that’s intentional, and what those Boise Boyz call “targeted marketing.”
How about the line, “all I need is your shipping address, (and if you can help cover shipping costs that would be great)”
What’s the “IF” mean? As IF his shipping fee were “optional.” Nice try, sumo.
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_cartman_ Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
“actually the unicorn comment most likely had to do with the fact that the people that buy stuff to learn to start businesses usually want to buy the course then hope to god they make money with no effort.”
I don’t care what you “believe” another person thinks. I merely responded to what he wrote, not interpret what he might mean. If his subcutaneous mind is slipping into his comment, or he is grammatically impaired, it’s not really my problem….I’m not here to mend his imbecilic ways…. and if he needs Rainman (without the mathematical prowess) to “comment” for him…well gawd help him…it’s the blind, leading the blind.
Furthermore, we are discussing hypothetical business/mathematical constructs (like the lucrative and massive hairbow tieing market), nothing of what is being claimed has been proven. You are making assertions, and claiming those assertions to be proof.
I don’t want to “hear” how that fuckwad Brunson made a million selling a lie, I want to see that the fuckwad Brunson made a million utilizing his lie (ie: Schirmer does not make money because he is a successful trader, but because he tells others he is a successful trader, and sells them that lie). You haven’t presented one iota of proof and coming here making unsubstantiated claims, doesn’t constitute proof. So what’s your fucking point?
“Kinda like dieting and people wanting to take a pill and hit the easy button, instead of hitting the gym and changing their diet.”
People believe the “pill” idea, because “marketers” (note the quotes) in the diet “industry” create pseudo science explanations, of why their miracle “supplement”, or miracle diet, work (and others fail). From food combining nonsense, to eating for your blood type, or Like Atkins and his altering the laws of physics and creating biochemical BS to explain how low-carb works (from glycemic response to the rest of the crap he used).
I can understand how someone with a insufficient knowledge of biochemistry (which is probably 99% of the population) might believe it…they make up convoluted biochemical constructs to hide the truth…why? because you can’t really sell a book of one page that says “consume less calories then your body utilizes” (those diets are simple, and require planning, more then buying) so “hide” the real reason and create pseudo science explanations (create products and crap…high fat low carb crap to sell), and market away.
Low carb (or any other ‘miracle’ diet) work for one reason, and one reason only, it creates an energy deficit, that deficit requires that fat and protein is broken down to supply any energy. You went off on a tangent, but you gave me yet another industry to make my point very succinctly.
Just look at ass clown #2 Kevin Trudeau and his fraudulent books…”Natural cures they don’t want you to know about” (they referring to the government) …and “weight loss cures they don’t want you to know about. Now granted I haven’t read them, but something tells me (and I’m very fucking intuitive like that) he took biochemistry and complex interactions that occur in the body, and turned it into a drink “apple cider” vinegar and take supplements being the cure all to anything and everything (shout out to Belcher).
We could get into the myriad complexities involved in the human body when we are talking about bacterial, viral, environmental and even dietary assaults, and the lasting damage those repeated assaults cause to different organs in the body, which leaves them more “susceptible” to “replication anomalies”(like cancers and other degenerative diseases), again, caused by repeated assault by those factors mentioned above.
So you asked why do people believe in a magic “pill”? Because fraudulent fucks such as yourself, who have the education of gnats (gnats have been used, since I don’t believe they are formally educated), present false and misleading information, that target the individuals who do not have all encompassing abilities in multiple fields of study, and/or enough acquired knowledge to be able to disseminate all the crap floating around out there today. One would have to be well versed in multiple fields of study such as business, mathematics, statistics, biology, physiology, biochemistry, hairbow tieing, etc.
“Internet marketers” (note the quotes) practice the very same deceptions found in the diet industry. You use convoluted business and hypothetical statistical constructs (among misleading metrics, and a whole plethora of other tools…see all my Maria Andros post to understand fully the fraud you claim to not understand) to “prove” (by prove I mean explain…because doctored screen and graphics, and a following of XX shills, or “unproven” testimonials doesn’t constitute proof) their information is sound.
Again, the bottom line, what they sell is a “business construct”, but how they make their money isn’t utilizing the “business construct” but rather selling the lucration (pretty fucking sweet…I just made that word up) of that “business construct” (ie: Andros doesn’t make money by having a “celery like following”, she makes money by telling people they need to have a “celery like following”, and then telling them they can do it too, even though she never did…see the difference (thinking: am I kidding myself?…asking Rainman if he sees the difference)..scratch that….that is the difference, Rainman.
“Internet marketers” are the envelope stuffing scams of the new Millennium….same concept (make XX $ doing Y…how… do this and charge X $ get X people and you make XX $…ad infinitum [I waited for the day I could utilize a latin phrase....thank gawd that day is here....angels sing!!)...different medium...different schemes, but the failure rate is easy to calculate on a non-sustainable business model.
People don't fail because they don't try, give up, or go chasing shiny objects (BTW...you're projecting...much like all your ball sucking/ass licking...shove everything up every orifice fantasy you seem to have), they fail because of convoluted hypothetical constructs that just won't work without without selling the concept using deceptive practices (ie: pretend to be an expert, even though you aren't...didn't you watch the video I made of Maria Andros stating that in no uncertain terms...oh please do listen to it...what she states is what "most" everyone in this "industry" practices).
"Nobody gamed that comment, people actually voted it because they wanted to. It’s not like a memo went out saying hey go vote for some guys comment. You ARE A jackass."
How can you claim to know what everyone else did, unless you know what everyone else did....so either you did not know what anyone else (let alone everyone else) did, in which case you can't make that statement, that nobody gamed the "score" (or you sent out the memo). At best, you can only claim you did NOT game the score....
Listen rainman stop being a fucking R-tard...think before you reason [illogically]…and maybe you won’t look like the ass you are….
“You have no right being in the convo because you don’t know shit about shit, and you are just sounding off like some gaywad fanboy. So go eat a twinkle. Or better yet go choke on it.”
You’re right I don’t know shit about shit….So tell me something, why are you now referring to the product as shit…damn that subcutaneous mind….btw…what is a twinkle (my little star)?
sing…you can be my lucky star…do..do…
wherever ….do..do.. you are….
my head hurts again….
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 24 February 2010 at 10:36 pm

enough is enough said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
~ Edited by The Droid.
I’m writing this post for 3 different reasons.
I used to worked for DCS and sat by and next to Karl every day. I’ve known Garret for a while now and sure he can be kind of an ass at times but when do you agree with your boss 100% and moreover, if you don’t like the situation you’re in, quit. Nobody ever forced you to be there.
That aside, after a former co-worker emailed me this Salty Droid site with damaging comments about Russell and Garret I feel compelled to post a few significant facts specifically regarding Karl and his motives these facts need to be respected. I see someone has also posted the truth about him.
1: I would like to speak directly to Karl. Putting it kindly, what in the hell are you thinking? You are actively pushing to ruin Russell and Garrets lives and you obviously haven’t begun to think of the repercussions of your actions. Even though its not your concern as to what the future holds for Russell and Garret, can you even imagine what you’ve created for yourself? I’m shocked that you published all the lies and BULL on the web about them. You sound like you are proud to “expose” all this, when not one of your fabricated stories you fed to this salty guy have any truth to them what so ever!
Karl I was there for all the “incidents” that you posted about Garret. YOU thought one in particular was so funny that YOU laughed about it for weeks and all 30 of us know that. I will be the first one to defend that truth if they sue you in court. Karl do you realize that this stuff can be on the web forever? If the site owner does not take it down you are screwed!!! Any one that Google’s your name will read about the CON that you are trying to pull off and it can end up being one of the first pages on Google under the name: Karl ***~***. Blackmail, your felony, your kids protection order against you all linked to YOUR name on the internet FOREVER. There is even a link provided from a previous poster to make it easier for them. You did this to your self. They will even read this post.
How do you expect to get a job now? You where telling me how you couldn’t wait to get your past off your record for job hunting. Now, it will NEVER be off of your record. Just like you condemned Russell and Garret forever with your lies and made up stories. To make it worse I will NEVER trust you again. The night of the DCS Christmas party you got a bonus and you’ve never been the same. You felt you where owed more. Guess what Karl, it was a bonus, 90% of companies don’t even do them. In fact I remember you telling us all that you where quitting right after the bonuses and party.
2: To those of you that are helping Karl stop it, STOP IT NOW! Stop enabling him! **~** yada yada yada **~**. I’ve called the police already and have asked them to watch Karl based on what has unfolded thus far and I am sending them the link to this trash. I have also called Garret to let him know the things that were said here and things we have all heard Karl say in threats to him. I suggest any information that could turn dangerous should be also reported to Garrett or the police. This is not about covering your ass its about stopping hate. You guys know the right thing to do. Remember, **~** blah blah blah **~**
3: The owner of saltydroid.com.
I have emailed you I expect a response A.S.A.P. I will also post my request here. It is as follows:
I am called the authorities in your area about your site. I’m also connecting the police in your area to the Boise Police Department who is watching Karl. As of now there is obviously nothing they can pursue but I am making sure that it is reported and on the record if something happens. I have been told you are a lawyer. We both know the trouble you will be in if something happens. I know this guy and in 2-3 years when this comes back to bite him he will still blame it on Garret. He is under a lot of pressure because of the choices he made in his life. Russell and Garret have nothing to do with that. .
For that reason he has come to you. He is using you to blackmail Garret. You are the instrument in his hands.
Please appeal to your best senses and do the right thing.
LOSER!! ::   -5
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SD Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 5:33 am
@enough is enough :: {proxy server of course}
You’re the winner! That’s easily the stupidest/worst comment ever submitted to this site.
1. Karl’s name won’t be here forever in my SEO hot-house of success {although Russell and Garrett’s will}. If he’d like to email me and request that his name be removed … I will gladly do so. In fact :: I’d be glad to delete all of the proxy server comments on this post that mention his name. The loving fake Mormons over at Dot Con Secrets might get off on attacking minimum wage workers … but The Droid has ZERO interest in doing so.
2. Please do call the police you laughable freaks! I’m really good at explaining Internet crimes to people who don’t understand the Internet. But I generally don’t call the police. Have them call me though … I LOVE IT. If you guys need my phone number … just ask someone else who is in The Syndicate.
idiot.
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# 25 February 2010 at 1:41 am

Dave said:
Ok, what the hell is up with the testicle fetish all of the IM’ers have? That and their focus on sodomizing folks. I don’t get it, but I think I remember reading somewhere that those who protest too much are the ones who enjoy it the most, or something like that. Just sayin’.
I also find it very humorous how they try to use their bully personae that they use on their “downtrodden” employees and wannabes in a comment forum.
NEWSFLASH! It doesn’t work genius(es). You can’t bully with harsh language – we just laugh at you. Hell, I’d laugh in your face anyway if you tried that junior-high school crap in person – which you wouldn’t because people like you don’t have the intestinal fortitude (aka, guts) to try that kind of crap on people you know you hold no sway over.
No, what I really think is that you are manifesting your true personality – a scared little boy who sees all your carefully crafted lies and ill-gotten gains about to come crashing down around you. In the face of that, you are only capable of lashing out with sophomoric rants and meaningless threats. And you call those of us who comment here pathetic losers? Seriously?
Interestingly enough, it is a pattern I have seen several times over since I started paying attention to the IM scam marketers last year. First the physical threats, sometimes with the threat of “legal” action included, followed by lots of silence, then lots whimpering as they watch their foolishness exposed and blasted all across the internet. Kind of like what happened with that shill Bill Harris when he tried to silence Duff – it’s a new game, and you jerks haven’t figured it out yet. The purpose of sites like this one is to provide an outlet and stand up for victims. By showing your stupidity here, you simply put yourself square in the cross-hairs.
Enjoy the ride.
WINNER!! ::   +11
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LDS Member Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Please stop all of this saddness and hatefulness. Please talk Russell or even Garrett please don’t let this go on any further it’s not good for us or our church or your business. I told you early on, I can’t even sleep because of it. We are waiting for you to stop this please. I know you are a Godly men I know you both. But make this go away and show them what they need.
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# 25 February 2010 at 2:10 am

Present sales staff said:
We don’t need your name, but have females worked there in sales positions? in the past year? Just a Y for yes or a N for no. One letter that’s all we want. Thank you.
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Donk Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 6:40 am
I think it is more than that isn’t it? I mean is it okay if he continues to max out the credit cards of their prey if his boiler room is filled with chics?
LDS Member- Do you know these guys from church or do you actually know anything about their business? Is it okay if they are conducting business like this as long as they are good standing members of your church?
If I were you and I knew them as you seem to. I would call them up and see if I could hang around their sales room for an while and see how they are operating? Just grab a chair and listen. Of course after you do this, you will report back here right?
I am sure this is just an over reaction on our part and you can be the one to set us straight. I am looking forward to hearing back from you.
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# 25 February 2010 at 6:10 am

Dave said:
Hey @LDS Member, nice appeal, but why in reply to my post? Me-thinks you are more concerned for the status of your “church” than you are about the victims of forced continuity and other crappy crimes these frauds are perpetrating.
If you can’t sleep, separate yourself from them. Unless you are a part of the problem, there’s no valid reason why you wouldn’t be able to sleep.
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# 25 February 2010 at 8:00 am

Mock Me Baby said:
From what I’ve seen the Mormons must do some serious sales training because the church either produces high-performance-corporate-sales people OR boiler room operators and Large Group Awareness facilitators of a magnitude that makes Brunson look like an LDS underachiever.
Do a search for “St. George Utah Assail Inc.” as an example of the boiler room type.
Then take a look at this (to stay on the same example moved to the internets):
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/sep/09/former-mrs-nevada-accused-scam/
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Damn. Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Naw… look up “Prosper, Inc.” because they’re part of the game too. Ask Mister Fire.
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SD Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
From one of Brunson’s many splog bios ::
“After high school, he took a wrestling scholarship to Brigham Young University (BYU). Not long after that, the BYU’s wrestling team was dropped. Russell didn’t join the last year of the wrestling team, instead, went on to serve a two-year mission for his church. He spent the next two years in New Jersey teaching the gospel door to door. With that experience, he received the greatest sales training in the world.”
http://buzzthebuzz.blogspot.com/2009/01/russell-brunsons-bio.html
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Carole Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Yeah, trying to shove LDS down people’s throats door-to-door is one form of “sales.” Specifically, HARD selling. What percentage of those people could even understand him though? You know? ‘Kay?
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SD Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
@Carole ::
What are you kidding me? Russell is a legend :: he converted 250,000 per week. And then Joseph Smith was all like: “Russell Brunson :: my good and faithful servant :: I’m glad to have you in my downline. I’m gonna bump up your affiliate commission by 2% … let’s keep that between us. Amen”
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# 25 February 2010 at 9:56 am

anonymous Bosch said:
Hold on a sec, Salty.
I’ve been a member of Rich’s marketing coaching programs, (BGS and Founders) for over 2 years and I have never ONCE received a phone call from anyone at his company.
You painted him with a brush that ought to be reserved for true scum bags.
What you said about him is just untrue and you should retract it.
Signed with my real name:
Paul Ross
sandworm77@ca.rr.com
Stomper, Filsaime, etc etc, yes, dirt bags. But Rich is not guilty of your accusation
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Mock Me Baby Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Ross Jeffries to the rescue?
http://saltydroid.info/inside-dot-con-secrets/#comment-11169
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Ron Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Yep. If you look up that email address, it appears on a bunch of Ross Jeffries sites.
But to his point: one exception does not an example make.
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_cartman_ Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Well it appears we have 2 claims…You who did not receive a call, and those who claim Schefren did utilize the services of the call center.
Let me ask you a question; Do you think it is in the realm of possibilities that while you did not receive a call, others did?
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_cartman_ Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
bahahaha….Ross Jeffries…”the” Ross Jeffries….the king of seductive video and audio programs….so seductive apparently he has to go to Maria Andros, to learn how to drum up more business (because her celery like following appears more real)…..bahahahaha…..perhaps she should be writing your “material”
fuck me…that’s a fucking howl…this is yours…is it not?
Ross Jeffries – Magick & Psychic Influence Video Course
Step Into Anyone And Know Their True Intentions
* Shift The Thoughts Of Others Without Saying A Word
* Remotely Program Others Dreams
* Pre-Influence Events And Circumstances In Your Favor
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* Create A Glamour Of Irresistible Attractiveness
* Master The Seven Basic Skills For Profoundly Powerful Mental Influence
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* Do Real, Effective, Verifiable, World, “Magick” And Get What You Hope For, Want and Desire!!!
bahahahahahahaha…..fuck me….am I on Candid Camera…Alan…where you hiding that camera….
Auntie Em….auntie em…..and your little dog too….
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stoic Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Hilarious, Cartman.
Ross Jeffries has a new ‘spiritual’ slant on the PUA market to sell, he’s popping up on a lot of random blogs right now.
Perhaps he sees a gap in the ‘spiritual’ huckster market now that Death Ray is out of action?
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anonymous Bosch Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Stoic,
Hey, whenever I hear the word “spiritual” I reach for my gun, to paraphrase a horrible famous person.
In fact, however, there are aspects of human consciousness that can be presented with rigor, discipline and and open mind.
I’d far prefer hard-core materialism to sloppy-thinking and New Age garbage, but these aren’t the only options.
RJ/PR
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anonymous Bosch Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
I’m teaching this now, Cartman:
PR
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Damn. Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
So does the ‘system’ no longer involve saying “new direction” all the time because it sounds like “nude erection?” If so, good for you.
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anonymous Bosch Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Damn,
You are, as lazy media members so often do, taking my work out of context.
First, phonetic ambiguity(“below me” “blow me” etc) is just one very very small part of what I teach-to focus it on it is like looking at a globe and narrowing in on Iceland
Secondly, phonetic ambiguity is not meant to work in isolation from other tools.
As part of a chain of suggestions, along a theme that has a sexual sub-context, phonetic ambiguity WILL be interpreted by the unconscious in a sexual fashion.
I’ve never taught it in isolation or out of context.
I don’t want to clog Salty’s blog with discussion of my work, but you can get a 5 part video course WITHOUT even having to opt-in. (See, even my opt-ins are OPTIONAL).
I wont’ even give out the URL because I want to respect Salty’s home turf, but if you email me privately at
sandworm77@ca.rr.com I will send you the link.
Peace and piece,
RJ/PR
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Damn. Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 9:43 pm


First, phonetic ambiguity(“below me” “blow me” etc) is just one very very small part of what I teach-to focus it on it is like looking at a globe and narrowing in on Iceland
You could do worse – lotta hot babes in Iceland.
  +3
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Duff Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
I’ve seen your free 5 video course. In my opinion your marketing is *less* manipulative than your peers, and I appreciate the fact that you speak out against forced continuity programs and other highly manipulative marketing in your industry.
You are clearly quite good at teaching conversational hypnosis, and flirting is a fun context in which to learn these skills. What I object to is the fact that you encourage men to tell blatant lies in order to seduce women, and that you teach men specific methods to steal other men’s girlfriends for quick sexual encounters (for those interested, see the “Discovery Channel Pattern” and “Boyfriend Destroyer” for examples).
Lying is no way to begin a mature, adult relationship. Your whole methodology is so tainted with an emphasis on getting a quick lay with a hot babe without any regards to telling the truth that I can’t recommend your products to anyone despite the excellent instruction.
But perhaps your corruption is bound solely to the realm of lying to women and not men?
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# 25 February 2010 at 1:25 pm

anonymous Bosch said:
I stick with what I said: I have never received a phone call from anyone associated with Schefren’s business.
I don’t even see why Schefren WOULD call anyone-they don’t sell any private coaching. It’s their regularly and clearly promoted continuity programs.
It’s possible he’s doing it with others, but I’d like to see proof.
And you may not agree with what I teach but I conduct my business without hidden continuity, forced continuity, etc etc. I never refuse refunds requests within the 90 day period and I keep the promises I make to my students.
That’s far, far different than the people in my niche.
PR/RJ
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yep Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
That’s a rational, civil response, and I can respect that. Not saying I totally accept that Schefren doesn’t funnel people off to a boiler room (it could be an affiliate-handoff, after all). Maybe Schefren would care to say so if he doesn’t do this?
Other IM’ers should take a note here: use your real name, show some civility and logic, and you might actually score some points here. Just like PR/RJ just did.
  +1
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SD Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
@PR/RJ ::
I have never received a phone call from Brunson’s boiler room about Schefren either :: so what??
I’ve been told by insiders … by people actually making these calls … that Schefren was one of the many people for whom DotCon was making calls at some point. There isn’t going to be any “evidence” presented … in this context I don’t even know what that would mean.
Even if you are on his list … it should come as no surprise that you never personally got a call. Maybe you missed it because you were out wooing the ladies for sport. Or maybe he only farmed out some sub list that he didn’t give a shit about burning through. I here tell of Brad Fallon selling out StomperNet lists to other horribly agressive boiler rooms … but not the main member list.
While we’re on the subject … and now that this post has dramatically increased my access to DCS insiders … let’s add Brad Callen and Matt Bacak to the list of people purported to have used Brunson’s services.
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anonymous Bosch Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Hold on now, Salty.
You’ve now said that you were told that Schefren “was” one of the people for whom Brunson’s people “were” making calls “at some point”.
If that’s the case, he’s stopped the practice.
Go back and ask your insiders when was the last time they made calls for him. If it’s prior to 2008 then it’s congruent with my statement that I’ve never received calls.
Look: Rich told me on a phone call about the “syndicate”-a group of insiders who promote each other’s stuff and he mentioned many of the names you talk about.
He no longer works with or supports those people, so I think if he at one time did some questionable things, he’s genuinely changed his ways.
He has not promoted any of Filisaime’s recent launches, didn’t promote Kern’s video bullshit-I really think he’s taken to his own path and just doesn’t want to deal with these people.
I have no reason to defend him other than I think, at least currently, he’s not doing the things of which you’ve accused him.
Keeping the innocent from harm also means not making false charges.
RJ/PR
P.S. I can tell you tales about Matt Furey…now THERE is a nutty guy.
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SD Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
@RJ ::
I don’t see why you’ve nominated yourself Rich’s spokesman :: is there something you want to tell us? Have you at last found love? Or are you just playing gay to get in my pants?
I could do that all day …
But to your point :: I’d say I’m almost positive it’s not happening right now. Sometime in the past. Same with everyone else mentioned. Just some names to give some more perspective to the situation.
But this post is about Brunson … and trying to scoop out the details of what’s happening on this collapsing sales floor. He has wrestlers doing SEO spaming for him for god sakes :: it’s nuts :: so quit distracting me with talk about the white horse that Rich is riding around on.
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Paul Schlegel Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Oops. Someone forgot to update their press kit:
http://www.strategicprofits.com/StrategicProfits_Press_Kit.pdf
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# 25 February 2010 at 4:24 pm

SD (author) said:
Dear ShitHeads,
I have edited out the full name of Karl The Crazy Mexican :: and some of the more ridiculously personal attacks :: at his request.
Naming an ex-employee {who is clearly broke} :: and then talking shit about his kids and his personal life like that? And in retribution for what? Brunson knows EXACTLY why I’m on his ass … and it’s got jack shit to do with Karl. I’ve become very accustomed to outrageous behavior … but you fools managed to surprise me yet again.
If there are any further outbursts of such insanity … they will be summarily deleted.
I want no part of your disputes about money. But after talking with Karl … I will give this free piece of advice to Mr. Brunson {full time hypocrite} :: A business has very clear legal and statutory duties towards its employees. Strict State and Federal rules govern various aspects of pay :: hiring :: firing :: and general workplace conduct. Claims may :: and often do :: arise from a failure by the employer to meet those duties and obligations.
And that’s one to grow on.
Monsters!
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Glenn Glazer Glen Ross Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 3:49 am
Both the IRS [irs.gov] and the Idaho Department of Labor [labor.idaho.gov] make a clear distinction between being an employee and an independent contractor.
With employees, employers are on the hook for all types of liabilities, including contributions to Social Security, unemployment compensation insurance, and workers’ compensation insurance.
Reclassifying your employees as independent contractors smells like tax fraud. If you like taking showers with your employees, greco-roman wrestling, and watching gladiator movies, a prison stay might be a vacation. There is plenty of Big Love in the big house if Idaho has an Alby Grant.
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anonymous Bosch Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 11:34 am
Hmmm..
In my niche, some of the biggest companies etc follow a mulitple instructor revenue model.
That is, they have guys all over the world they send out as “instructors” to teach their method in bootcamps all over the world.
If they are paying them via 1099′s, I wonder if that would merit a legit IRS investigation, considering that they train these guys, tell them where to go, send them the schedules, etc. To me that sure sounds like “employees”.
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Mock Me Baby Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
That might be a bit of a jump PR/RJ.
I could easily hire a speaker to attend my event at a certain time at a certain location and they would not be an employee.
There is more to it than that.
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Mock Me Baby Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 11:58 am
It really depends on if they restructure everything.
If they use the barbershop model and are open certain hours but rent out booth space to contractors that can come and go as they please when the office is open – they they might be OK.
Otherwise…
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# 26 February 2010 at 1:55 am

Anonymous said:
DCS lost their Visa/MC Merchant accounts in Jan. for their forced continuity practices.
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anonymous Bosch Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Really? Is that true?
How do we go about reporting this to the merchant services of companies who are doing this?
Or is it a matter of lots of complaints from consumers to the companies, via chargebacks, etc that will cause them to investigate the companies’ practices?
In my niche, virtually ALL of the big companies are doing this.
All of my continuity is OPTIONAL, clearly explained, the price stated clearly up front, but in my niche, that’s the big exception, and these guys are likely coining money with this nonsense.
PR/RJ
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Mock Me Baby Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Phone rooms regularly have their merchant accounts shut down. It often has to do with chargeback rates. This has always been the case but it has gotten more strict and prevalent recently – leading many phone room operators to get high fee overseas merchant accounts.
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yep Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Chargeback rates are definitely the biggest flag. Every merchant processor (not an intermediary or gateway, but the actual processor or bank) is going to have an underwriting department. The UD constantly evaluates the numbers (usually automatically, then manually if something gets flagged). If chargebacks exceed a certain percentage – boom! The hammer falls. That’s it.
Now, one particular practice some marketers have had in the past was maintaining multiple merchant accounts, and they rotated transactions through them all to give the perception of a lower chargeback rate to the separate processors. However, processors are now watching that stuff like a hawk.
Other things that could get a merchant account shut down is if any of the principal signatories’ credit goes downhill, or if any principal gets in trouble (convicted or pleads no contest) to any type of financial fraud. The former would probably be a non-permanent closure for the time being, whereas a fraud conviction or excessive chargebacks typically produce permanent bans. So too could business practices that the processor itself deems fraudulent, deceptive, or against its policies.
Once a merchant gets terminated, they go on the TMF blacklist (Terminated Merchant File). That’s basically a lifetime death sentence for a business person. What business can survive without the ability to take credit cards? Maybe an ice cream stand.
Also, being incorporated won’t help mitigate that, because most processors require actual signatories on accounts, and those individual names will then go on the TMF.
By the way, just to be clear – the concept of continuity is NOT prohibited. There is no such thing as “forced” continuity if there is a massively obvious checkbox or impossible to ignore message clearly indicating that a service is ongoing. That makes it just another subscription, which is an established concept that has been around for decades. What is prohibited is vaguely or non-disclosed continuity.
If you know of a business that is being deceptive – and you know who their merchant processor is – contacting the processor’s underwriting department could put a stake right through their heart.
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Anonymous Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Say what you want about continuity… Good people at DCS were unfortunately “forced” out of their jobs because of the loss of the merchant accounts.
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Paul Schlegel Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
…while millions of others refused to even do such a job. Hmmm.
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SD Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
@Anonymous :: like a couple of the other more reasonable commenters on this post :: isn’t using a proxy and is located in the beautiful Boise area.
To your point :: I’m not so sure you can trace the job losses to the merchant accounts anyway. Just in the last few months Russell dropped $50k to name a plane :: and $250k to wrestle in a racketball court. I’d guess those aren’t the only instances of flagrant mismanagement / company stripping.
Would have been nice if some of that money was still around to help protect people’s jobs :: or at the very least cushion the blow of losing your job at such a shitty moment.
But hey :: at least you could fall back on your $100 Christmas bonus.
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# 26 February 2010 at 10:48 am

SD (author) said:
Russell Brunson might not think it’s cool to hire women into sales positions :: but he’s totally cool with them being hired to stand around like meat at Mike Filsaime’s “50 Model” {and some drink coupons} circle jerk sausage fest.
http://affiliate-appreciation-weekend.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9&start=130
“russbrun:
Russell Brunson and Garrett Robins.. about to get on the plane. :)
See you all in a few hours..”
good times …
http://saltydroid.info/modeling-for-mike/
No Women!
It’s a theme. Can you hear me ladies? They aren’t going to let you win … they aren’t.
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# 27 February 2010 at 5:35 am
» Dan Kennedy Presents Russell Brunson said:
[...] Shaazam!! Russell is on the forefront of not understanding technology and the Internet :: and unlike so many of the posers out there :: he “freely admits” it.  In fact :: Russell is so good at sucking at the Internet that he built an old fashioned telemarketing business instead {women need not apply!}. [...]
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# 28 February 2010 at 4:18 am

Bruce Brodeen said:
Hey Hey!
Just a quick chime in – an informed one as it pertains to Rich Schefren and business practices I’ve experienced w/ him. I’ve been a client of his for 3 yrs, bought almost everything he’s done as I made a decision back in January, 2007 I was going follow two voices – only two – and he was one of them.
Best business decision I’ve made, too – going on two decades on my own. Saved one dying 15 year old business in a long suffering industry(the music biz), helped launch two others(and surely more coming)….straight up, straight shooter, diplomatic yet unafraid to call out the charlatans and, occasionally, ‘privately’ to his clients on consulting calls ‘name names’ when it germane to the lesson being imparted. Intensely gifted teacher, knowledge gatherer and genuinely concerned for the well-being of his clients.
Really, Sir Droid – really. He is truly one of the good guys in the IM world. For best (Free) proof, just download one of his 7 reports he’s done over the years(yeah, yeah, you gotta get into the autoresponder series….no biggie) that have really impacted the IM world. Start w/ the first, Internet Business Manifesto. Yes, yes…many of them were connected to product launches…blah, blah. We SELL stuff, folks(Hopefully, really, really good stuff, though!)
Anyway, true….A few bad calls with friends, one could argue – Filsaime is one of his success stories and a friend(I’ve never ‘gotten’ why he’s been such a financial success – beyond the fact he’s one smart mo-fo — as his products don’t resonate or work well with many I know who have used them) and Brad Fallon, who by so many accounts the last few years appears to be a supreme douche and just not a particularly nice dude but the rock throwing I’ll caution my own self as we….well, you know we all have people we’ve had as friends who have let us down, make us wonder about ourselves and say ‘what was i THINKING?!?!’.
To the point(sorry, Salty…getting long winded): never, EVER have received a phone call from his office and I’m pretty darn sure I’m on their ‘hot’ list just based upon purchase history. Plus, Rich has been pretty clear about him not being a fan of call centers w/ his business – certainly possible, knowing of his propensity to test, he may have played around with for a short time – very short time – just make see if he was missing something but, if that was the case – I bet the test lasted a few weeks tops.
Also, never have heard from other clients who have mentioned anything to do w/ phone sales.
The only thing Strategic Profits could be faulted for, consistently, over my experience is lapses in customer service w/ some of their folks, always a ‘work-in-progress’ there but they are getting better finally. But they are easy, easy to deal with as the supreme value of his products and service is exponentially beyond hiccups in customer service.
Okay, said my bit. Rich has been a authentic life-saver for thousands of marketers is a fact and he’s done it, as far as my own experience and gut-feeling, with immense integrity.
No, I’ve never smoked a cigar with him but someday hope to.
I am signing my name, proudly.
Keep this blog going, mate…it’s important resource for many of the new folks coming on the scene. You sure know how to pull a mean-ass punch(and I’ll probably get one here?)….you an Irish-American boxer?
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Schefren Cuckolds Brodeen Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 1:01 am
Brodeen paid Schefren enough money that (maybe) Schefren did not screw him over.
Then there are people who subscribed to Schrefren’s free/$1 dollar offers and tried to cancel in the 14/30-day trial periods described in the sales letters. Cancellation phone numbers were wrong, emails bounced, and attempts to contact using other information found using Google/Yahoo were not considered legit by Schefren’s customer service.
Credit cards got billed repeatedly despite canceling during the trial periods. Charges had to be disputed with the credit card companies. Schefren is a slicker version of Brunson.
Brodeen says he wants to smoke a cigar with Schefren? Sometimes a cigar is more than a cigar. For the money Brodeen has spent, Schefren should reward him with a thumb ring.
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Bruce Brodeen Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
That’s a great one! :-D Right On, Anonymous(really do love a name attached to receipt of spewage, but I’m a big boy).
Seriously, I only spoke of MY experience – and it’s extensive and 3 yrs of it. So it’s germane here, which is why it’s shared. I’m no syncophant…..I’m a businessman who loves learning who to do that skill better. There’s on better teacher I’ve found than Shefren.
You make some big ass claims above so I just did a blog and forum search on your claims above….I can’t find anything there Sir Schefren Cuckolds Brodeen(that cracks me up, still – nice!). Now, he comes up millions there so I guess there’s something there(anyone selling millions in the IM world is going to have detractors) but I’d love to see some.
I’d lay down skin on the road that there is NO way that Strategic Profits has set up their business to work thru any of their trial offers in the way you offer up above. NO way.
I can say, though, that their customer service has had serious lapses w/ response over the years as they were fuck ups there, frankly when it came response times. I can say ANY billing question or issue(always small) I have had has always been taken care of right away, though. Still need for improvement. We all can be better there w/ our businesses. Anyway, you say: “Cancellation phone numbers were wrong, emails bounced, and attempts to contact using other information found using Google/Yahoo were not considered legit by Schefren’s customer service.”
This is recently? Shite, their info is easily found w/ phone numbers…..just did a google there and ‘bam’, it’s there. “Strategic Profits – Phone Number”. Wow, that was hard. Anyway, I’m not attacking or acting as any great white hopey defender but “Schefren is a slicker version of Brunson” makes me wretch because it’s just flat-out wrong.
Back that up w/ something substantial is all I, respectfully, ask, cool?
Thumb Ring from Shefren? Beauty! ;-P
I guess I’ll have to say “Thank You, Sir – May I Have Another”.
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Hoover Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
So Schefren has customers paying him money AND actively seeking out forums to promote and/or defend him on. And he’s just a person, and not an iphone. That’s pretty impressive.
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Hey Bruce Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 12:00 am
“I made a decision back in January, 2007 I was going follow…”
Enough’ said?
“He is truly one of the good guys in the IM world.”
Everyones’ guru is the ‘good guy’.
“Start w/ the first, Internet Business Manifesto.”
Here’s a summary: (you can find the PDF online)
Page 3 – I’m Successful and here’s my testimonials from other gurus I associate with. (No ‘everyday Joe’ testimonials – only gurus – remember: association is key)
Page 4 – I’m so successful, so here’s more about why I’m successful.
Page 5 – Bullshit reason why I’m sharing this, and here’s why you’re screwed up and failing.
Page 6 – “Putting things into perspective”, otherwise known as framing this page the way I want this page framed
Page 7 – Scarcity, scarcity, scarcity tactic, so get on board with my ideas
Page 8-13 – Your thinking is screwed up, and here’s 12 specific areas you’re screwing up in
Page 14-15 – Did I mention you’re screwed up?
Page 16 – Gurus listen to me (seriously, the subhead says “Why even gurus listen closely to what I have to say”) I just want to make sure you know I’m God and you’re screwed up. (It’s because you need to hear the truth — to prime you for my continuity program)
Page 16-18 – How to value your time (How much did you make in the last 3 months? Subtract that from your yearly financial goal, multiply that by 10% and and add the answer to what you made in the last 3 months. This is your short term goal.)
Page 19 – 21 – How you should spend your time: on high level productive activities
Page 22 – How to leverage and scale a business
Page 23 – 26 – Use systems/projects and process maps (which I conveniently sell courses on) to outsource
Page 27 – Measure your results…with metrics…like a normal person does.
Page 28 – A recap (seriously, this page could have been the whole document, but then we wouldn’t have 16 pages of pre-framing that you suck)
Page 29 – Another testimonial and buy my stuff
The document might as well have been called: “I’m God, You Suck, And Don’t Forget To Systemize Your Business”
“The only thing Strategic Profits could be faulted for, consistently, over my experience is lapses in customer service” [...] “I can say, though, that their customer service has had serious lapses w/ response over the years as they were fuck ups there, frankly when it came response times”
…that and having, as you say, “A few bad calls with friends”. Somehow I doubt ‘calls’, whether ‘relational’ (as James Ray likes to say) or in ‘customer service’, is their strong suit.
“I can say ANY billing question or issue(always small) I have had has always been taken care of right away, though.”
SHOCKER! BILLING ISSUES WERE WERE TAKEN CARE OF RIGHT AWAY?!
YOU MEAN THEY WERE ATTENTIVE TO RESOLVING MONEY ISSUES AND TAKING MONEY??!!
AMAZING. Seriously, they are amazing – let’s think about this…
Customer service lapses…but billing questions taken care of right away?
That’s REALLY shocking. I’m flabbergasted.
/s
On a serious note, I think you’re being sincere and you probably do believe his material is valuable. You wouldn’t be on a continuity program if you didn’t think it was valuable in SOME way.
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stoic Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 6:55 am
To Hey Bruce:
Thanks for a brilliant breakdown of Schefren’s material. He is undeniably slick in presentation but the substance of the content is paltry once you get past the process maps. I got a free process map from someone and while it was pretty and colourful, I decided that if I spent time trying to figure it out and implement it I would never get any real work done. I’ve seen and drawn myself much simpler schematics that work better as a outline for action.
Hey Bruce, if you ever decide to set up a forced continuity programme parsing this rubbish, I’d consider joining.
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# 4 March 2010 at 5:51 pm

Ross Jeffries said:
I’m also a student of Rich. The cool thing is that I can actually get on the phone and talk to him, unlike the other “Gurus” who hide behind so many layers you just can’t get to them.
He’s given me VERY good advice, and changed how I even view being in business. When he does the consulting calls he will take as much time as I want to ask follow up questions, get more detailed explanations etc.
I have also, as I’ve said before, NEVER received a call from his office or business. EVER.
RJ/PR
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Glitch Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
@PR: You’ve made this point before. Pinch yourself. Has Schefren been using your techiques on you?
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Glitch Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
@PR: You said you can actually get on the phone and talk with Schefren. In that case, why don’t you do that, mention the discussion here, and invite him over for a retort. Certainly he can use a keyboard himself. Otherwise, many will simply assume he hasn’t spoken for a reason, and not a good one.
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# 6 March 2010 at 10:34 am

SD (author) said:
I suggest that both @RJ & @CuckoldedBruce {@CB} have their thumb rings fitted in a “turd stain brown” to match Rich’s overall web presence :: which stinks of rot to the high heavens.
And @RJ :: didn’t Rich the Bitch have some part in your purchasing of ill advised consulting from empty headed reject Maria A. Andros?
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
This smacks of cognitive impatience, Salty-you don’t care to consider any evidence contrary to your apparent position that ALL IM marketers are inherently fraudulent, through and through. So rather than consider the possibility of exceptions to the rule, you attack with person insults.
With regard to Maria Andros, her material looked interesting to me, so I enrolled and had one of my team members take the course, which he didn’t find particularly useful. And no, for the record, I didn’t hear about it through Rich, but through LaunchTree.
Again, this is your blog. You can engage in pithy personal insults and sarcasm if you like. Or entertain the possibility that not everyone can be intelligently and accurately painted with the same brush.
It takes patience and intellectual honesty to parse through each case. You aren’t showing that here.
RJ/PR
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SD Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
@RJ ::
For reasons which should be obvious :: I attribute very little informational value to the anecdotal evidence of citizens under the influence of a given goo-roo. And I’m made of patience.
You think he’s great :: noted. But I know things about how he fits into the big picture that you don’t know :: and I have perspective that you don’t have.
Deal with it.
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
I’m under no one’s influence. I am accurately reporting my own ongoing experience with Schefren.
As for “anecdotal”: my evidence is no more “anecdotal” than the evidence you present. It comes to you the same way the rest of it does: a report of personal experience.
it may be contrary to whatever else you’ve been hearing, but the manner in which it is reported and collected is fundamentally the same.
It’s human to dismiss contrary reports as being of lesser value, but it’s not intellectually thorough.
Unless you are telling me you’ve run some kind of double blind clinical trial, subjected to peer review, the evidence you are gathering is “anecdotal” by nature as well.
Bottom line is:
1. I respect and support your mission
2. I disagree that Rich S is one of the bad guys, based on my own ongoing experience over the past 2 years with him.
3. Sometimes there are exceptions to the rule.
4. If you’ve got some kind of larger picture you are about to reveal, I can’t wait to see it.
Keep going and keep bleeping!
RJ
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THIEVES BEWARE Reply:
April 9th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
@Ross Jeffries,
Let me take a shot a bursting your pathetic “Schefren’s one of the good, honest guys” bubble:
Schefren is an absolute fraud. Not only does he try to copy Gary Halbert from a writing style (nothing wrong with that), but copying entire paragraphs and changing just a word or two and claiming credit for the content yourself???
I’ve included the link (pretty damning proof!), but if you don’t want to go there I’ve posted what Gary Halbert wrote 20-plus years ago and what Rich Schefren wrote recently in his blog. No mention of Gary Halbert whatsoever!!!
The Gary Halbert Letter – circa 1988:
It’s a matter of timing. Selling is like seduction.
If you ask a woman to go to bed with you, whether or not she says “yes” is largely a matter of when you ask her. If you ask her immediately, as soon as you’ve been introduced, most likely she will think you are a creep and tell you to get lost.
However, if you wait a while, wait until she gets to know you a little, wait until you’ve wined and dined her a few times, wait until she’s had a chance to warm up to you, to discover you are, indeed, a fine fellow, then, my friend, your chances of getting a “yes” for an answer are much, much better.
So it is with selling. Any kind of selling. It doesn’t matter if it is door-to-door, direct mail, television, radio, newspaper ads or whatever; if you take the trouble to warm up your prospect, to seduce him a little before you pop the big question (“will you buy my goods?”), then your closing rate will be much, much higher.
Now, compare with Rich Schefren’s blog – 2010:
Let’s dive into the subject of today’s post which is the direct relationship between EMPATHY and PROFITS.
It’s a matter of timing. Marketing is like seduction.
(for the sake of simplicity, in this example – we’ll assume you’re a heterosexual man)
If you ask a woman to go to bed with you (the sales question), whether or not she says “yes” is largely a matter of WHEN you ask her . If you ask her immediately, as soon as you’ve been introduced, most likely she will think you are a creep and tell you to get lost.
However, if you wait a while, wait until she gets to know you a little, wait until you’ve wined and dined her a few times, wait until she’s had a chance to warm up to you, to discover that you are, indeed, a fine fellow , (which is the one of the goals of your marketing) then, my friend, your chances of getting a “yes” for an answer are much, much better.
So it is with online marketing. If you take the trouble to warm up your prospect, to seduce her a little before you pop the big question (“will you buy my stuff?”) then your closing rate will be much, much higher.
http://www.strategicprofits.com/blog/greater-empathy-greater-rapport-greater-profits/
This dumbass doesn’t realize that there are TONS of Gary Halbert followers out there? No mention of Halbert anywhere. If Gary was still alive, he would kick the shit out of Schefren. (Yes, I know, Schefren will claim to be buddies with Halbert and his sons, but plagiarism is plagiarism)
Keep defending him, sheep! You’re following a scumbag scamming plagiarist.
More to follow… (there’s TONS)
WINNER!! ::   +11
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SD Reply:
April 9th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
@THIEVES BEWARE ::
ha! that is awesome.
the sentence that immediately precedes the plagiarized bit he must have written himself since it’s total shite …
“Better yet, when you marketing is effective (and comes first), your selling is a lot more profitable.”
… what a visionary genius.

Damn Reply:
April 9th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
@THIEVES BEWARE, Holy shit! Wow. Just WOW. That’s pretty damn blatant. I guess if people want more of that, all they have to do is dig up some old Gary Halbert material. My opinion of Schefren is now absolutely ZERO.
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rich schefren is in deep shit Reply:
April 9th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
@THIEVES BEWARE, very nice. May I add: (From GARY HALBERT HIMSELF) “P.S. Don’t even think about reproducing and/or selling… even one sentence… of these letters in any form whatsoever. They are all copyrighted and, if you do rip them off, I guarantee you will have a “legal experience” so unpleasant… it will give you nightmares forever!”
This is cut-and-pasted directly from PAGE 1 of Gary’s online newsletter.
Hey Salty, maybe Kevin and Bond Halbert would be interested in this?
(And now, my own P.S.): Schefren sheep, before you defend this scumbag, first read his thieving words again… really READ them… and then ask yourself, “Would I ever even think of stealing like this?”
(Syndicate circlejerkers need not reply, we know your answer already)
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Glitch Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
@PR: Have you not been relying on a single example (yourself) to establish that Schefren is on the up and up? Perhaps you should consider that *you* may be one of the (one or few) customer exceptions, as opposed to Schefren himself being the exception.
I’ll go easy on you over the Andros choice, since you weren’t the only one to buy into that. However, you brought up Launch Tree…wow…have you ever googled for comments on that? Good thing you found Salty’s blog – you’ll be saving money in no time.
As for Salty’s sarcasm – c’mon – that’s the flavor of this blog, and it has been from the beginning. And, I’m guessing, it is one of the underlying reasons you found yourself rooting around here, just like most people. Salty also doesn’t have a lock on insults: you’ve posted some pretty biting ones yourself, on other blogs. Remember, on the internet, comments are forever. Just ask Harlan Kilstein.
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# 6 March 2010 at 10:52 pm

Rezbi said:
Shi-ite.
The more I read about scammers on this site the more I wonder, who else?
I think the key is to steer clear of the ‘gurus’, in case we all get ‘infected’.
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# 7 March 2010 at 9:35 am

brunson gold in 2012? said:
Based on Salty’s photo, looks like Russell might be up 3 or 4 weight classes. Two more and he might be wrestling Belcher for that Olympic spot he so covets.
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Sportsman Of The Year Reply:
April 22nd, 2010 at 11:07 am
@brunson gold in 2012?, He’s a FAT guy who scams people. And he has a gnawed-on ear, maybe two.
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From one fat slob to another Reply:
April 23rd, 2010 at 4:39 am
@Sportsman Of The Year, Olympic wrestling, Russell? Maybe Nathan’s 4th of July hot dog eating contest. You could stuff 6 or 7 extra dogs in that double chin. Stop SCAMMING people d-bag. And stop telling people you’re going to the Olympics.
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# 15 April 2010 at 9:05 pm

@LiarCrusher said:
“Continuity Program”…makes my skin crawl to hear that again…that is David DeAngelo’s term, too, which he got from sucking Frank Kern’s wee General in the blackout circle-jerk orgy that spawned the Lord-of-The Dingleberries) Rings Psychotics known as the Circle Jerks…
Did Kennedy teach screwing your client over? I suppose in a way his ‘Lifetime customer” concept is a lube-coated slippery slope nobody really wants to be on the receiving end of…
Money isn’t evil…failing to Understand it spawns plenty of evil…
They will do anything to get your money…that is the barest of truths…
that is their Continuity Program…they Continue to take your hard-earned money…even drive you into debt…without the slightest inkling or concern…people are just numbers to these black-hearted willy-lickers…
Tip: If someone keeps calling you to pitch you stuff (and I recently had a Deiss-zombie-crew do try this with me several times a day for months – I always screened and ignored the calls), Take the call!! Answer and when they ask who it is, YOU ask to whom you are speaking. If they ask if {insert your name here} is you, YOU repeat the question you asked them “To whom am I speaking?” Do this until they answer you!! DO NOT give them any information! When they answer you, YOU simply say, “I just got this number when I recently got my new phone, so that number no longer belongs to the person you are trying to reach.” I did that with the Deiss-zombies and the dorkface on the other end of the line said cheerfully, “Well, I’ll take that number off our call list.” I hung up and said, “Well, that was easy!”
and it has been awesomely quiet ever since…
I love devising stuff that actually “works”…so try it for yourself…don’t be the victim of their harassment any longer…YOU start tormenting them!!
Think outside the box!!
YOU be the Continuity Program of their worst nightmare, get it? Just remember that if you make three calls a week, it can be harassment (filed as such with the Sheriff), so make your (up to) two calls a week REALLY COUNT if you’d like to vent your spleen at someone and do a role reversal.
Tell them you only want to buy the $40K product if you get to talk to {whomever you want to ream} – let’s say Mike Filthy-Samey…when he gets on the phone, have some fucking fun people…roast him over hot coals, throw in gibberish, switch gears…ENJOY YOURSELF…see how long they keep calling YOU back!! You’ll be on everyone’s black list in no time…and you DON’T Have to give them your real name (Duh)!! Keep telling them you are staring at some new inheritance money that is burning a hole in your pocket (the next time you have had a bad day and want to vent at someone)…make them want that “money” so they have to get hammered by you the way YOU choose to unfold it…and for however long…think of them as your personal punching bag…time for the shoe to be on the other foot, folks…enough computer-warriors…unroll the fun zone! Think of all the people (including yourself) that they screwed out of money and left for dead. Payback is a …..well, you know…turn up the heat under their feet…make sure you get a scumbag…don’t trash the clueless receptionist…you want a chunk of someone worth chewing a piece out of, grok?
Have Fun!!
LC
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# 24 April 2010 at 1:34 am

James Stein said:
I just did a review on this scammers latest product Instant Social Anarchy – A $397.00 piece of junk software that claims to submit to “social networks” .. All it does it spam junky micro blogs that are clones of twitter.
This fool is such a loser! – http://www.articlesproductions.com/f61/instant-social-anarchy-scam-russell-brunson-social-anarchy-1658-new/
James
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# 28 August 2010 at 6:09 am
» Tony Robbins and The Syndicate said:
[...] per month … but if you want to know about the cartel … and the fraud … and the boiler rooms … and all the other seedy fucking bullshit that these wanks have to pull just to make far [...]
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# 24 September 2010 at 10:08 pm

AussiGuy said:
I just really want to thank all of you guys for posting here. I am from “Downunder” and just got of the phone with a guy Tyron asking me to hand over 5K on my credit card. Well I did wonder why my name was drawn out of the hat to be the lucky one. When I told him that us Aussies are pretty slow but not totally stupit, he suggested that I have a look at their website….this is how I found you guys. Thanks a lot for all this info, you guys and gals rock. Droid, I owe ya
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# 18 October 2010 at 6:59 pm

SD (author) said:
Hearing some pretty funny {to me} rumors about Russell Brunson :: lord of the turds.
Here’s hoping they’re all true.
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scammed Reply:
March 1st, 2011 at 12:03 am
@SD,
oooooo, please do tell……
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# 28 February 2011 at 10:33 pm

I stopped Counting said:
I picked up a few of the things they were selling. I use my Google voice number in which I have stopped counting how many calls I received from them, just to return the calls and get a voice machine. Over 60+ times within 20ish days or so.
I admire there persistence but for what ever reason I couldn’t get them on the phone. I love boiler room sales calls. Because I know how much it pisses them off to waste time not to make a sale. My goal and entertainment is to keep them on the phone the longest I possibly can and well as counter sell them something back. Usually a fake product I make up on the spot.
Longest time so far is about 26 minutes for some kind of septic Bactria that the person told me I could make tea out of it if I wanted too. Also I have managed to get the real names of many of my callers.
Love it..
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# 29 March 2011 at 9:11 pm

Ty said:
I noticed Brunson is really pushing this DCS Local thing lately. Is the boiler room where he produces the actual services? Is the feedback on imreportcard.com even real?
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SD Reply:
September 20th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
@Ty ::
Why bother with Brunson when you can just go str8 to the source and buy you a super duper valuable local chapter of GKIC?
http://dankennedy.com/localchapters
Opportunity!!!
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Ty Reply:
September 20th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
@SD, I guess Russell is following in the master’s footsteps. Nice
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# 20 September 2011 at 3:02 pm

Grateful One said:
I was about to buy Dotcomsecret Local and stumbled across this website….. Thank you, this saves me a lot of money!
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# 28 September 2011 at 7:50 am

JSA said:
And he is at it again with Dotcomsecret Local as I write this. What really bugs me is I looked at it based on an email from an IM’er that I trust. Well…maybe not so much anymore.
Glad I found you SD!
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# 26 October 2011 at 6:08 pm

BigB said:
Thanks Salty and everyone you definitely saved me $1k plus all the heartache dealing with Russel-ala-scammerous on his new stupid Local shit thing. The one thing that everyone needs to remember is this:
If it sounds too good to be true then damn-it it is! Move along…….
-B
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# 27 October 2011 at 11:03 am
» Anik Singal’s Lethal Commission Impossible said:
[...] a bunch of bastard’s purported to have utilized the services of fat face failed wrestler Russell Brunson’s Idaho boiler room. Those were fun times :: it’s fun to take everything from [...]
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# 8 November 2011 at 5:49 am

Russell Brunson Scam said:
What is REALLY funny is he shows his Dotcomsecrets Headquarters as this large building, when in fact he had to sneak out of the building during a holiday weekend and break the lease he had.
He then moved to a small little office that he is obviously not using in the picture. Russell Brunson filed bankruptcy on the Dotconsecrets business and is in the midst of several lawsuits. Interweb Success(etc) at it’s finest.
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Albert Tross Reply:
November 13th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
@Russell Brunson Scam, According to google street view, this is the address that the “dotcomsecrets” website is currently publicly registered to:
http://g.co/maps/2smbj
Check out the message on the home page of this website:
http://www.sublimenet.com
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# 13 November 2011 at 2:33 pm

pk said:
He promised a satisfaction guarantee on a live telephone training and then reneged. He talked so fast I couldn’t understand him. Then he took the training, packaged it and sold it to others. But those who initially paid for it didn’t get the package so you just had to remember what speed demon said. It was a rip off and I will never trust him again.
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