John Raygoza Scams Yo Momma
The John Raygoza horror story begins :: like so many grimm tales before it :: “Once upon a time” … or “Μια φορά κι έναν καιρό” as they say in Greece when they’re anachronistically speaking Greek.
Once upon a time {last month} I was reading Steve Salerno’s SHAMblog …
“I’ll admit that when this news alert arrived in my inbox this morning, I thought it might have something to do with the ballsy and groundbreaking work being done over at Salty Droid.”
Nice! Unsolicited compliments from a respected author who has been repeatedly published everywhere I’d want to be published if I wasn’t the mother fucking king of the Internet :: an whose recentish book I read and enjoyed greatly. That’s cool and all :: but remember when The Gnome said …
“Jason Jones is obviously very smart, witty, very funny, and has one of the best writing styles you may find around.”
Impressing the literati :: $3.50
Impressing the illiterati :: very priceless
Anywayz …
“… the lawsuit at hand seems unrelated to what the Droid calls “The Syndicate”—in terms of the principals involved, anyway. The actual business model sounds disturbingly familiar.”
First :: I don’t call them “The Syndicate” … that’s their own gay name for their own gay group.
Second :: are they unrelated? The Droid spoke with the attorney bringing this class action lawsuit against John Raygoza and his partners … and he seemed to agree. I pointed him to a few stories {you can guess which ones} that I thought he might be interested in given that he’s bringing a RICO claim against Internet Marketers :: says sassy lawyer to me …
“Ok -it’s some idiot with a bad haircut teaching racketeering 101 – why not go after some actual crooks instead of wannabes?”
Ha! A funny first impression of Frank :: and three-fourths correct …
- some idiot –> check
- bad haircut –> check
- racketeering 101 –> check
- Raygoza above Kern on the crooks-n-wannabes list –> Oh my fucking god … nope.
Salerno in the comments of his post …
“Regardless of what The Syndicate is doing, there are still so many freelance gurus and other non-affiliated IM pitchmen selling their own products for far less.”
Well :: sales for “far less” cause far less harm :: victory! You can’t beat evil … but you can keep it disorganized and inefficient. The more I know {and it is much} … the more I don’t believe in “freelance gurus”. It’s a cartel system :: there is a winning cartel at the top :: and many other baby cartels pushing out their baby cartel tentacles in support. Only a truly gifted cowboy can remain a mercenary in a cartel world. John Raygoza ain’t no gifted cowboy.
So before we discuss the horribly depressing particulars of the lawsuit … let’s place Raygoza within the context of the tale we’re already telling.
It starts :: as much cat crap has :: at Armand Morin’s Big Seminar. John Raygoza’s first Tweet :: October 2008 …
“I just got back from Atlanta (big seminar). Thanks for the great time!”
Special thanks to speakers like …
- Mark Victor Hansen
- Eben Pagan
- Stephen Pierce
- Brendon Burchard
- Joe Polish
… so many assholes … so little time.
The PR release for the event says that …
“Armand Morin currently earns in excess of $15 million per year on the Internet and he will show the secret to his success.”
Wows! That’s a lot. I’m sure it must be true though … cause peoples aren’t supposed to lie. So I guess between then and now Morin has brought in a cool excess of $30 million … that must be why he reduced the price of Big Seminar 14 so dramatically … cause now he doesn’t need the money … and he’s just out to help good people {gag!} like John Raygoza get started in “this business”.
I hope John Raygoza was able to easily earn $15 million using the special secrets that he learned at Big Seminar … or maybe just even one-tenth of that :: because they’re smart and I’m retarded :: else he might start feeling like the stupid mother fucker that he is :: and compensate by ratcheting up the evil.
Raygoza’s pontifications on bragging …
“Some people blatantly display how much money they’re making on MySpace – $30,000 – $45,000 a year…is something to brag about??”
Is $15 million something to brag about?
Is having an apartment something to brag about?
“Be There! I’ll Expose Those Headlines That Makes Me Millions… Don’t Miss It!”
Oh John Paul Raygoza … if only you weren’t such an ignorant fuck :: you’d understand why that is so funny.
Moving on … John Raygoza to the previously mentioned Idiot-HairCut-Raketeer™ …
“@masscontrolkern – I would do it only because it’s TR! – BTW, are you in LA still…Dave and I were sched to meet up at your place this week”
“TR” :: probably referencing Teddy Roosevelt … like these d-bags love to do. Wait :: did I say Teddy Roosevelt? Cause I meant Tony Robbins! Teddy Roosevelt is totally not ga ga goo roo … he probably hated capitalism and America … that’s why he went around busting up cartels. TrustBuster they called him … fucking socialist.
Raygoza throwin’ down the fancy pants biz talk to The Rich Jerk :: King of Business …
“@kellyfelix It depends. I believe in hiring commission-only employees! 70% of my staff works on commission only.”
Well you’ve got to believe in something …
“@kellyfelix The days of working with 3 employees is priceless. Overhead was my apartment rent + VOIP charges…profits were ridiculous.
then i got Greedy…But as Gordon Gecko says in Wall Street, “Greed is Good!” ; )”
*wink wink*
Greed is good :: he said :: as he destroyed the world.
Let’s hook up for some drinks …
“@mariaandros Bardot is off-the-hook! We have to go out again…Let’s take @jimmydavis there…he needs to go out more often.”
Or maybe a bite to eat …
“@drkilstein a hotdog at Pinks or a chili burger at Tommy’s in Rampart…which probably explains why I’m at the ermergency room right now”
Not-Doctor Kilstein loves talking about pink hot-dogs … but sometimes you need to hang out with people who are even cooler … like Bill Maher …
“hanging with Bill Maher at the Barlot”
Cool. Fake it ’til you make it.
All of this posering must be exhausting for John Paul Raygoza. It’s tough being a girl out there on the mean streets. It’s best if you can find some sort of group to join :: you know just a loose association of like minded competitors … something like a trade union … only nothing at all like that. John Paul agrees :: and tells the zero people who read his blog about it …
“I just finished talking with Tim Warren, Vice President of Maverick Adventures. I joined Maverick business adventures to hang out with like-minded individuals. The group was started by Yanik Silver.”
Maverick Adventures :: starting at just $11,000 per year … and going up :: up :: and away! Other members include … 85% of the d-bags previously mentioned on this blog. Vicious Garden Gnome :: and John Raygoza’s Twitter BFF :: Mike Filsaime recently mentioned his own membership in the group during his “Jason Jason Jason” interview with Mike Young.
Now Raygoza ties it all up for us by blog-mentioning The Gonme and The Yanik in the same sentence …
“It’s scary busy at PushTraffic and on top of that I attended Yanik’s underground event in D.C. & Mike Filsaime’s JV event in New Orleans.”
Perfect.
What good places to offer other “mavericks” your services …
“Anyone out there need a SALES FLOOR to upsell your leads?…don’t leave money on the table in 09! DM me if you’d like us to upsell for you!
Our Sales floor is 30 strong. Our partners make on average an extra $30,000 a month on the backend! DM me if you want to get started.”
Making them Internet monies the old fashioned way … telephone boiler rooms with commission only sales staff.
The class action lawsuit against John Paul Raygoza :: John Glen Denton :: Andrew Mark Weitz Esq. :: David Sipes :: and interestingly …
“Law Firms and credit card payment processing networks which knowingly aided and abetted defendants’ criminal enterprise”
… begins like this …
“Once upon a time when the only mail was at the post office, con artists placed ads in magazines advertising: “Make Money at Home Stuffing Envelopes” or “Typing at Home.” The unfortunate victim would pay $10 to learn how to get started in the envelope stuffing or typing at home business …”
My how things have changed.
Let’s skip over the legal analysis completely for now {too boring} :: and get right to the victim’s stories. The Droid hears an unfair share of horribly tragic stories :: but they’re almost always “off the record” for fear of retribution. One of the great things about a lawsuit like this is that it gives people reason :: and confidence :: to go on the record with their tales of woe.
The following is just a small glimpse of a massive problem …
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Douglas M
Losses of $30,000. When he tried to get a refund he was accused of :: “Extortion, defamation, slander, and conspiracy.”
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Richard J
A Michigan attorney …
For the past 7 years he has suffered from T6 paraplegia and currently receives Social Security Disability. Over the years as his condition has worsened, he has sought a legitimate work at home opportunity. In November 2008, he was telephoned by salesman Rob Martino at PushTraffic. Martino gained plaintiffs trust and learned all about his disability, struggles, and goals. Martino falsely feigned an interest in plaintiff’s well being and Martino even claimed his own brother was a paraplegic which was very likely a lie to gain plaintiff’s confidence…
It gets worse …
“Plaintiff’s health condition had gotten far worse and he was battling for his life with a deadly MRSA staph infection requiring hospitalization. Even though aware of this, Martino persisted until plaintiff orally agreed to a refundable $15,000 turnkey investment with Martino and PushTraffic…
Plaintiff was briefly released by ambulance from the hospital to attend to business as it was thought he would likely die from MRSA. Martino called plaintiff and demanded he sign a contract, plaintiff physically could not and Martino then pressured plaintiff’s secretary into signing for him. Plaintiff was in the hospital from January to May 2009 and survived the MRSA infection. He then discovered a $20,000 charge on his credit card.”
Holy shit!
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Clarence F
Age 73 :: had recently suffered two debilitating strokes that left him with brain damage :: taken for $30,000. He’s now facing eviction from his home.
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Ann B
Canadian :: Age 66 :: on a disability pension for polio related paralysis … $4,500 charged to her credit card without her consent.
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Arline O
A recent widow living in Phoenix :: lost $10,000 … the proceeds of her late husband’s life insurance policy.
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Ewing D
Age 70 :: has both diabetes and Parkinson’s Disease :: taken for $20,000. A fraudulent testimonial that he never gave is still being used on one of the d-bag sales pages.
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Greg T
Victimized for $58,000. Greg was worried about $30,000 he’d already lost :: and was told the only way to recoup his money was to pay an additional $28,000.
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Lillian C
Age 80 :: conned out of $10,000.
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Luke Y
A New Yorker on disability for Schizoaffective Disorder :: out $4,200.
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Beverly S
Age 65 :: sold $20,000 worth of bullshit nothingness by asshole salesman Craig Beckta … pictured here with Frank Kern :: Brandy Jenkins :: and Armand Morin … among others.
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James B
Age 69 :: $13,800 … gone.
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Laurence W
Age 87 :: Australian :: $55,000.
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Deborah P
Age 50 :: totally disabled with severe neck and back problems that make normal functioning difficult. Raygoza and his henchmen know this … and take her for $18,000.
“Plaintiff finally tracked down Raygoza and complained in a phone call. Raygoza asked when she began with PushTraffic and she gave him the date and he stated that her six months were up, “tough luck.”
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Marc M
Marc lives in New Jersey :: his wife is suffering from cancer so they could use a little extra income to help cover costs. Instead he was taken for $10,080.
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Benita S
Age 66 :: Englishwoman from Essex :: lost $10,000 to Raygoza and his band of thug morons.
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Lowell R
Age 71 :: duped for $25,000
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Melanie R & Margaret G
Margaret is 70 years old and lives in Louisiana with her daughter who has a severe learning disability.
“Plaintiffs were vulnerable individuals, elderly and with a learning disability, defendants preyed upon these disabilities and repeatedly contacted plaintiffs until they had extracted all of the money in plaintiffs’ possession.”
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Stella T
Age 72 :: lives in Canada and has a heart condition … she lost $30,000.
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Janis J
Age 58 :: lives in Texas and cares for her elderly father … she suffers from Chronic Depression and Anxiety/Panic Disorder …
“Plaintiff was telephoned by Denton in February 2009 and told Denton about her disability and he said he would “help” her because she had a “humble heart.” Instead Denton turned her over to IncFortune which extracted $50,000 from plaintiff on false promises of profits.”
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John U
Age 56 :: from the Mariana Islands :: lost $40,000.
“… and has suffered extreme privation as a result including inability to provide the necessities of life for himself such as food.”
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etc. etc. etc.
Not fucking funny.
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Those victim snippets are both heartbreaking and infuriating.
I hope the lawyer heading the class action suit is so ruthless and relentless that he makes Jaws look like a pet goldfish.
WINNER!! ::
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Martypants Reply:
November 10th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@Hal (the original Hal), Totally agree – and heartbreaking and infuriating is very aptly put. I hope this is the start of a chain reaction.
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Shit Storm Reply:
November 17th, 2010 at 10:39 am
absolutely correct…Not Fucking Funny
and for those that think Irwin and his cohorts aren’t doing the same are smoking crack.
Many call the posters on this blog nothing more than haters
Well if I’m a hater then these guys are satan
Irwin uses a phone room as well and is now talking about using that as his exclusive model to sell
He has partnered with a guy who teaches you how to close an 8k sale in one call…it has to be in one call because the use FULL court pressure to get a sale
These people are going to get whats coming to them…everyone needs to raise the pressure on these assholes
Please send links of this site to congressman, senators, local politicians, government agencies and news outlets
whatever it takes…keep doing it
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Too right, not fucking funny.
Great post Mr Salty, hope this is the first of many class action suits aginsts these unfunny bottom-feeders.
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Never heard of John Raygoza. Wonder how many similar victim stories have been caused by those Salt Lake City boiler rooms…
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
@Ryan Healy ::
Tens of thousands per year … no doubt.
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Shit Storm Reply:
November 17th, 2010 at 10:55 am
These phone rooms are out of Utah
One group was at ad tech in NY…called themselves Unique Leads
They had a Florida address on their business cards but once I started chatting with one of them they started talking about their phone room in Utah.
They do exclusively biz op leads and started talking about all the guys in IM they dialed for and still dial for.
They sell from 50k on down
They were bragging about how much business they write per seat
I do a lead generation debt deal strictly for lawyers and they wanted to turn it into a biz op
I was caught off guard because of their company name and they were at ad tech, but they were a phone room company that will sell your leads up-sells all day long
here’s the scam (I’m not a lawyer)
To sell a biz op above $500 requires a disclosure agreement in every sate BUT
if you sell them a $27 something first then you aren’t selling a biz op requiring a disclosure but you are selling to an existing client
here was there idea
create a killer product at $27…his advice was to seriously over deliver…this way the buyer thinks think you’re an upstanding person
then they call and sell a coaching program…at 25k to 50K
They had this down to a science
I walked away obviously and first chance I got I reported them to the guys running ad tech but they were still there the next day at the even.
I was blown away at how they talked about it…as if this was a solid business they ran, instead of it being nothing more than a scam
WINNER!! ::
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HomoErectus Reply:
November 17th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
@Ryan Healy,
What is it with Utah and scams? Do those Mormons think joseph smith will exempt them from hellfire if they limit their scam victims to non-mormon ‘gentiles’?
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Ryan Healy Reply:
November 17th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
@HomoErectus, I don’t know… As another person on this blog pointed out, the missionary training every practicing Mormon goes through is good training for phone selling.
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Nils Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
@Ryan Healy,
Hey man, yeah in the missionary training center you are taught to “sell” the gospel.
I’m Mormon and don’t think that my religion promotes scamming at all. At least i’m not a scammer.
I will say this though, I work at a suit sales store, and I sold suits recently to some guys who work for one of those “phone sales” companies or whatever these things are called.
They pretty much described to me what this thing is about, and told me I should get in on it.
No they weren’t Mormon, all of them were “ex-mormons” and very jaded at that.
Don’t want to start some dumb argument, just didn’t want to be known as a “scammer” just because i’m Mormon.
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Salty wtf?!? This is almost exclusively elderly, sick, or disabled people! They are targeting these kinds of people. This is truly beyond just scamming. It’s one thing to scam someone, but a whole other level of ugly when he is scamming someone who is disabled or elderly and ripping people off who are DYING!! These aren’t human beings anymore… I don’t know what these THINGS are. The depths of depravity seen on this blog are truly depressing. I had no idea people that seem to look so ordinary can be so inhumane.
I hope that these people get back every last cent and that this pig roasts. Wow, Salty…just wow. Good work.
WINNER!! ::
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HomoErectus Reply:
November 17th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
@2H2+Co3=-(x*y), I disagree. Is a scam more reprehensible if it targets an elderly person as opposed to a single mother trying to buy diapers?
It’s all disgusting.
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Marilyn Reply:
February 6th, 2012 at 6:53 am
@HomoErectus,
It is all disgusting, and so is John Raygosa and his cronnies and there is a lot of them! No-one like them should get away with any of this scamming. They are low life…
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Christ!! How do these guys sleep at night? They KNEW these people were desperate and they still shafted them? At least if they mugged the victims in person they might have seen a face.
I hope these guys die in a f**king car fire.
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MazeMan Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 12:06 am
@Scriobh,
I was also wondering how they sleep at night (for about 3 seconds). Then it occurred to me they have a bunch of sociopaths working for them. Sociopaths have no conscience so it is easy for them to hurt others without suffering from guilt.
It’s sickening to say the least.
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Duff Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
@MazeMan,
Years ago I had lost my job and was desperate for work. There was an ad for a “telephone survey” job so I went in and it was actually for telemarketing. Most of the folks there were fresh out of jail and/or about to go into jail. I had never seen so many people in one place with tattoos on their faces.
I realized quickly that the only people who agreed to continue with the telemarketing script (in this case to switch auto insurance providers) lived in rural areas and sounded elderly. It was at that point I said to hell with it–I don’t care if I starve, but this is wrong. (And that was for a legit insurance company, not an outright get-rich-quick scam.)
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Unicorn Army Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
@Scriobh, it’s not just that they “knew” these people were desperate and took the money anyway. These people were targeted precisely *because* they were vulnerable and desperate.
WINNER!! ::
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Very informative post Salty. Thank you.
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great post, salty.
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These guys are just slimy and smelly, like a rotting whale on the beach smelly. I bet that asshole Raygoza just rents that “mansion” like he rents “his” apartment, by the day.
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Is it just my mind playing some tricks or does that picture of mr. Kern look like it was morphed with Andy Jenkins???
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MazeMan Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 12:08 am
@Jack,
That is Andy Jenkins in the photo.
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Harold Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 1:08 am
@MazeMan, Snark Alert!
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
@Jack ::
Brandy moved to California so that he and Kern could hug more … I guess this morphing is the result of all that cuddling.
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A lengthy post about Raygoza and the lawsuit followed by some victims comments.
http://OnlineLowBlowsAndSuckerPunches.wordpress.com/
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I spent 30+ years of my life working with puters, hsopitals and children,and those wankers tried it on……. i had agraphobia for over 2 years at 39 trying to do “so”mething”… they can all burn in hell hell, and i i’m not even relgiouse
sry fry spelylling/// meds kicked in….
luv to all u qand yours
citz:
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Kann Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
@citizenperth, The fuck?
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
@citizenperth ::
… exactly what I was thinking.
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city Reply:
November 26th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
@SD, sry folks… heavy medication and typing don’t mix
raygoza and his mobsters tried it on with me too, is all i was trying to convey.
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All that lawyer talk confuses me. Is this lawsuit ongoing? How long is it expected to last? Really want to see a nice precedent set there to fuck with these pricks.
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
@Ivor Bigun ::
It’s ongoing … kinda just started. You never know how long it will last. Either a long time … or a short time … or a medium time.
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Great investigative work Salty, those pictures tell the whole story of greed and cruelty. Unfortunately the government (FBI, local police, FTC, SEC) allow the scammers to act with impunity – they figure the victims deserve what they got or some other police pretzel logic. The scammers can afford good attorneys and have lawyered up. Anyone with any information on this crew that could be helpful should pass it on to me, plaintiffs’ counsel at:
Dr. Jonathan Levy, Esq.
info@brimstoneandcompany.com
Tel/Fax 202-318-2406
WINNER!! ::
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Mathias Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 6:57 am
@Jonathan Levy,
You look at the pictures of these people and you see it, it’s like a feeling. You just know you don’t wanna meat these guys, or hear them talk.
A child would be suspect, but most adults have lots the ability to see through people. Their critical faculty doesn’t kick in. They go, ” these people can’t be that bad” as if that was a reason to join their game.
As if trying to defend slimmy shit is a worthy goal,
As if hiding and being afraid to offend and critizie non-moral and ugly low-life behavior is an act of virtue.
Thanks Salty, for showing us that it’s not. That being a whistlebower and exposing the truth is more importamt people think, that it’s the essential step towards cleaning up the mess. A journey that rids the world of ugglyness, and it has to start somewhere.
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What a disgrace! I hope that the media gets hold of this story. The world needs to know about these sleazy criminals. The FTC also should throw the book at them. Taking 50 grand from elderly & infirm people! What!
These guys are FAR worse than members of the so-called “Syndicate” who charge far less for their wares and, from what I gather, always offer an iron-clad, no-questions-asked, money back guarantee.
Jail these low-life scums.
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lol Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 8:33 am
@A Non,
“iron-clad, no-questions-asked, money back guarantee”
LOL
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
@A Non ::
“These guys” aren’t “worse” … it’s all the same stupid game … and boiler rooms are a big part of it. Wake up dipshits!
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Unicorn Army Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
@SD, Yep. Exactly. Money back guarantee? Sure. But they’re *all* feeding the boiler rooms. Lying bastards.
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this is plain disgusting. Preying on the weak, th elderly. This is just crazy stuff. SD, you should receive a federal grant for exposing all these bastards on the internet!
Seriously, your work is awesome, really helpful. Hope you expose ever more of these worthless ass****, until the syndicate kingpins collapse too…
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A Non Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
@bobd, juat do a google search on the creep’s name – I got up to page 8 – all horror stories about this deviate!
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I’m one of Raygoza’a victims. My wife and I are not mentioned in Salty’s list, but he took us for $15,000 and we’re now considering bankruptcy. Yes, Raygoza & Co. are as bad as attorney, Jonathan Levy, says. He can prove it.
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
@Doc ::
Terrible. Sorry.
I’ll say this to you :: even if it’s not my business …
If you can pull off a bankruptcy without losing much other than your “credit worthiness” {as determined by the bankrupt institutions who lend money as predators} … then do it. Don’t feel bad about it … or accept the irrational social stigmas attached to it. It’s a protection offered to citizens … accept it if you need it.
The credit card companies are eating us alive. Fuck them.
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Duff Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
@SD,
I totally agree with SD on this one. There is no shame in declaring bankruptcy in this context. Bankruptcy also doesn’t harm one’s credit as much as it used to. But it’s your decision of course and it’s best to weigh all the factors here.
WINNER!! ::
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city Reply:
November 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
@Doc, I managed to get my money back, only because BCED and Bach Computing Law…….
I feel your pain though, and they are evil people.
God only kicked yer bum to learn some sort of lesson.
Does’nt help I know, but Karma and standing before God talking truth will sort them out
Best of luck
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Good God this is disturbing. I’m very interested to learn what type of repercussions he is facing.
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@Deuce Monkey ::
Well :: for starters … he’ll be going to hell.
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Great post, SD!!! Thanks!
My email address ptivictims@gmail.com – P(ush)T(raffic)I(nc) was established as a contact for Raygoza’s “marks” to communicate and cooperate.
A blog established to out these jerks specifically is at:
http://onlinelowblowsandsuckerpunches.wordpress.com/
Your information on others of his ilk is most welcome.
I will happily trackback to you and tweet, retweet and digg you :)
Thanks again!
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
@Ann ::
Thanks Ann. Great work.
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The bastards took me for $5,000 by posing as someone I’d done business with before. Very slick, slimey salesmanship.
I got all my money back by proving they manufactured their telephone records of calls to me. It was tough to do. The fricking credit card company favored RayGOONza and crowd until they saw my proof.
I know of others who gave up way too soon or were intimidated by RayGOONza’s lapdog attorneys.
His attorneys are really loud-mouthed pussies. I beat them twice.
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
@Art Lynch ::
RayGOONza :: good one!
“Loud-mouthed pussy” is part of the whole Internet Marketing “lifestyle”.
Scream … then hide.
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Thank you for the article Mr. Droid.
There’s no place for wise cracking comments on this one. Disgusting.
It’s sad how many people are out there struggling to just get by, and in desperation.
It’s a lot sadder how many lower than pond scum parasites there are, totally willing to take everything these people have.
Not a day I’m proud to be part of the human race.
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I come to the SD to be reminded that shit-people exist and thrive. Keep your guard up.
Keep exposing these motherfuckers – it greatly increases the odds of them getting what they deserve.
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I’m another retired victim of these goons.
How can the law allow this?
The scam can be proven but it still becomes a “game” in court.
We are hurting as well.
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
@Qaspiel ::
How can the law allow this?
It buggers belief.
The scam never even gets to court because law enforcers are totally content to just completely ignore such heinously destructive crimes.
But don’t be black and try selling weed … or you’re locked up for life.
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Ryan Healy Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 8:39 am
@SD, The War on Drugs has been a terrible waste of money and human life — and the “war” hasn’t even worked.
But that’s government for you. “Hey, let’s outlaw a plant which grows naturally on planet earth… but fraud, that’s cool.”
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Poop Chute Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 8:01 am
@Ryan Healy, Fraud’s hugely profitable for business — the current government’s main constituent. That “plant” and a lot others are a threat to Big Pharma — one of the biggest of the big businesses. You do the math.
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This is just sad…
These guys don’t think before acting…
Why do we wanna get rich? To become free, have an easier life…
Will they have it?No, they are just like the drug dealers, they loose everything they had…And this wouldn’t be a problem, but their families also suffer because of it..
It would be “understandable” in a sick,twisted way if they’d say lets do this and when we get the first million we will redeem ourselves but from what Salty wrote I doubt its the case.
Thumbs up Salty, never ever give in.
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Mathias Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am
@Affisio,
Most people want to get rich so they can indulge themself in feelings of superiority, self worth and pleasure every single day, every minute at every time. That’s how they imagine being rich.
To these minds, freedom is a vague idea.
The majorty(mob) of people are this way.
Not everyone though.
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Finally you’re going after REAL crooks.
This is disgusting.
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
@Donald Therjorn ::
Yeah … finally.
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Martypants Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
@SD, FTW. That one has me laughing. Finally.
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Another victim heard from…not only was I victimized by Raygoza, but also my &^%& credit card company who refuses to do a charge back of the $2,000 sleezily added to my Capital One account. They are aware of the lawsuit and all allegations against these crooks but maintain their position favoring Raygoza and his gang of imbeciles. My credit score is dropping like a rock and has affected my ability to do a refinance, not to mention it very likely affecting my ability to find employment which is an additional hardship. These guys give slime a good name. I’d love to have the personal pleasure of locking them up in federal prison for a very long time.
WINNER!! ::
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
@Bette ::
Terrible.
They should be locked up … bastards.
… and thanks for NOTHING Capital One.
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Bohica Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
@SD,
arrrrrgh, what’s in YOUR wallet?!
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Joe Mudd Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
@Bohica, maybe that should be “What’s LEFT in your wallet?”
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About 5 weeks ago, Rich Schefren sent out an email with the subject line “A personal apology – and an unusual gift” as he tried to distance himself from the excesses and crimes of some of his colleagues.
This is an extract from what he wrote:
“…It’s been more than 2 years now, since I decided I
wanted nothing to do with what has become the
“sleazy” world of Internet marketing.
The politics. The back-scratching. The pitch fests
void of clearly “actionable” ideas. The “good ole
boys club” … and everything that comes along
with playing “the guru game.”
I saw the writing on the wall 2 years ago. Which
I’m sure by now you have undoubtedly seen for
yourself.
So where have I been? Unplugged from the circus
that Internet marketing has become. To spend time
with my clients. Some of them high-level “big
business” clients. And spending a massive amount
of time researching, and getting clear on how to
proceed independently of all the bad stuff going
on in Internet marketing circles.
Including building a business I am very proud of
right now, that is helping thousands of people,
without my having to do the guru dance every 3
months…
And figuring out how you and I can move forward to
build REAL businesses in a sea of carnival barkers.
It’s actually a bit embarrassing, to realize that
even though I helped 90% of today’s Internet
marketing “gurus” rise to prominence and
prosperity, most of which are truly helping the
community and their markets…
…there is a portion of that 90% who have
approached what I see as an ethical line in
operating their businesses, and crossed it.
So it all comes down to this…
I now realize I have done you an injustice by
removing myself from Internet marketing. Only to
leave you to the wolves. And for this I hope you
will forgive me….”
Obviously a desperate attempt to re-position himself in the market (and so vomit-inducing was the last paragraph that my lunch also nearly re-positioned itself).
However today brought proof that Rich is much more wolf (or vulture?) than Good Samaritan with his email promoting Maria Andros’s Video Conversion Formula.
Is it stupidity or greed that blinds him to the fact that he can’t pretend to be a good guy and then promote crap like Andros’s new product?
WINNER!! ::
+7
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
@Pass the Sick Bag ::
Hopefully this time Rich’s Maria A. Video Queen Andros promotions won’t convince Ross Jefferies to make an ill advised purchase. But he’s so easily influenced … so I’m worried.
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Rich Schefren Scam Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
@SD, Have just read your article on Brunson’s boiler room scam – http://saltydroid.info/inside-dot-con-secrets/ – and see that Rich Schefren used the service.
That’s not good for Rich’s reputation, is it?
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
@SD,
I haven’t seen this promotion from Rich so maybe he’s segregated his customers from his prospects.
Would the poster mind posting(if you don’t mind, Salty) the entire email, complete with headers?
Let me see this and I’ll quit Rich’s program.
RJ
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
@Ross Jeffries ::
I wouldn’t mind seeing it myself … paste it if you got it.
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
@SD,
By the way if you have any proof at all that Rich is still using phone rooms I will confront him with it, live, on one of his phone in days and THEN I will quit his program.
To the best of my understanding he stopped doing it over 2 years ago.
If he is still doing it or selling his leads to others who then forward it to phone rooms I will gladly, GLADLY assist you in hanging his ass out to dry.
And, whattya know-it looks like the high pressure phone sales approach is now coming to MY industry via “The Guru Black Book”. I bought this shit product to spy on my competitors, and after paying $97 for a course that is SUPPOSED to do it all for you, you get contacted with an email offering a free “evaluation” call from their good friend, Lance. I signed up for that and I’m almost certain they will try to:
1. Evaluate what i do for living
2. My available credit.
3. pitch me on as much as I can afford, aggressively so at that.
Salty, if this IS going on and I can document it for you, will you write about it?
These guys have what they themselves call, “The Seduction Syndicate” and they are clearly following Kern, etc
RJ
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the truth Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
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LOSER!! ::
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truer truth Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
@the truth, how would you possibly know unless you were him? Fail. Tell Rich to give our disregards to Maria Andros when you see him.
Amelie Poostain Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 4:16 am
@Ross Jeffries,
I bet Mystery is counting his blessings VH1 saved him from a life of slugging it out in this seduction niche.
Don’t think Eben is going to be so lucky if his biz op bs ever goes under and he is forced to revert to slinging double your robotic movement in nightclubs go make a buck.
Stoic Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 8:42 am
@Ross Jeffries,
Its normal practice to segregate the list into tyre kickers and freebie hunters, and various levels up to the committed follower who buys anything put out, sight-unseen.
The pitch is then individually tailored to each segment.
Damn, I didn’t even try to charge a list marketer $49.97 for that snippet of info, either he’s naive or I am.
Duh.
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_cartman_ Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
@Pass the Sick Bag,
Did you see Andros “intro” video on her landing page [[no you didn't because she took it down fast it was up less then an hour, or I am losing my mind...wait I have it...thank gawd for small miracles]]….she dropped the “I worked in marketing”, and stated as a fact that she was a “make up artist” three years and a half years ago and made her foray into fraud…I mean “internet sales”.
Apparently her $55K marketing job is now $50K make-up artist job [[fuck...it's bad when you are demoted from your own past..so sad]]…see it while you can…because when she finds out its being linked to here it will be gone
http://vcformula.s3.amazonaws.com/Squeeze1-Desktop.m4v
Now who says I don’t give you guys the best Andros crap that is NOT out there
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Bullshit Detector Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 1:55 am
@_cartman_, Unbelievable. Andros did that goofy video on the beach while wearing a karate uniform, as if that somehow has meaning. What a weird mind she has. She needs to go back to hawking lip liner.
WINNER!! ::
+8
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_cartman_ Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
@Bullshit Detector,
[sarcasm] It’s actually cutting edge…but we is just gelass haters [/sarcasm] [[ha..I kill me]]….
It’s interesting that Rich Schefren & the rest of the clowns in this circus side show]] are sending out copy [[Andros claims [[ha..I kill me]] you don’t need to hire a copywriter…what does she provide for her coarse…swipe COPY]]…you would think that if Schefren is pimping a coarse on video “marketing” [[ha...I kill me]]…he [[and everyone else pimping it]] would send out….oh I don’t know…a video she produced instead of copy…
I guess I am just being overly analytical here…but note the dichotomy in what she states, and what she actually does…that should be the biggest WARNING flag for anyone [[hmmm...she tells me to do one thing, yet she does another...maybe she's full of shit...I recant...no maybes about it..she's full of shit]]
Well…at least that’s honest work…and if the person enjoys it…why not
There are a few youtube make-up gurus [[who actually deserve the title...hence no quotes]]…and they gained more views [[not gamed]] and a shitload more subscribers [[not created]] in less time then andros…without having to open half the accounts to subscribe to themselves [[BTW...back in the olden days '07-'08...you could open up multiple accounts under one email address]]…when you see something like john17548 who’s only subscription is Andros but has watched 0 videos [[total watch count no longer supported by youtube]]…rest assured that John came out of the sock drawer [[sock puppet reference resurrected from days of usenet]].
@general,
While Maria [["You won't see me hanging with garbage people"]] Andros is slightly off-topic for this thread, she did hang with our featured subject matter…she is a perfect example of the anatomy of a fraud…she leaves a trail so noticeable, it would be CRIMINAL to not use her as a poster “child” of the type of deceptive behavior and tactics used by those mentioned on site…
They progressed from “white” lies [[sometimes this progression happens in the offline world]] to outright deception [[with no differentiation of victimization]]
Andros [[or anyone featured here]] would have absolutely no compunction in selling her frauduct to an individual who fit the “criteria” of John Raygoza’s victims [[debilitated, desperate, dying, or destitute...it makes no difference...mama needs a new pear [[I feel like a fruit all of a sudden]] of shoes!
I have privately invited the “students” I know of to come and rebuttal anything I have stated here…NONE have chosen to do so [[btw...I don't mention any students by name that have NOT gone on to be a protege and utilize her same deceptive tactics...but I will start mentioning those who have...in articles, videos and the like...if they don't cease]].
I did NOT invite fleeceme [[but he's welcome to rebutthole[[sigh...yeah...I am homophonic]]]]…
Mike…you stated on your own site you wouldn’t promote [[from that day forward...forever and ever amen]] any programs that utilized fraudulent tactics [[paraphrasing]]…and the first chance you get…you do [[that act of "nobility" did not last very long..oh right...but Andros is using your service to pay [[or not]] her affiliate commissions]]…
hidden here…..
Strongly suggest…hmmm…wonder what happens if you don’t yield the “strong suggestion”…oh yes please…let me give you personal details like SSN and enough data to create a false identity [[so you can sell my information in the IRC underground...you say you wouldn't...well you also said you wouldn't promote fraud...you have and still do]]
Again, feel free to come rebuttal anything I said [[ie: how her 2008 program launch doesn't count as a program because she didn't sell it..and because she wanted to lie about creating her coarse in 3 weeks...and the myriad of other lies I pointed out..just little white lies huh?...right]]…and stop acting like a fucking whiny victim…you’re a predator…and you proved it by promoting yet another fraud….so suck it up gnome boy….oh and sweetie [[gnome sweetie]]…Andros already has valid contact info and name from when she fucked with my youtube vids…so don’t you [[or your fucking proteges]] come here saying to stop hiding behind anonymity]]…
So anyone who thinks that Andros, Kargorilla, Fleeceme [[to name butt three]] are better then Raygoza…you may want to re-evaluate…they are all from the same cesspool, and time just allows them to sink lower and lower.
Nuff said….
WINNER!! ::
+9
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Unicorn Army Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 11:32 am
@_cartman_, not just “cutting edge” – “time tested – *and* cutting edge!” Not sure how it can be both, but it’s on the internet so it’s gots to be true.
WINNER!! ::
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This is a whole ‘nother level from the Frank Kern’s of this world. I agree with the attorney bringing the class action suit. The ‘Syndicate’ stuff is crooked on a number of levels, but this is a different class of evil.
Billing someone to their credit card limit for something they didn’t actually order is way beyond price fixing and delivering a product that doesn’t actually work. Still, once this case is over and done with and Raygoza gets his the precedent is well and truly set.
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
@Mark from Just Accountants ::
You’re kinda missing the point.
Do you think all Kern sells is Mass Control? That’s just the window dressing … the incredibly over-priced window dressing.
Last year :: when The Gnome sold 7,500 units of the 7 Figure Code for $10 or whatever :: as discussed on the Jenkins/Walker call :: then what do you think he did with those leads?
Speaking of the Jenkins/Walker tapes :: remember how they talked about the $5,000 per month “mastermind” and “shit like that”.
“Coaching” upsells are a big part of this dirty game.
And let’s all recall that the last time I sniffed out BoilerRoom doing this same crap …
http://saltydroid.info/inside-dot-con-secrets/
… that many of the top d-bags were found to have been pumping in their leads.
Then they can be all like :: “Oh my stars … I had no idea that’s what was going on. If I had known … I never would have pumped in all my leads and collected all that precious money money money. I’ve had a religious conversion. Buy my new shit … it’s nothing like the old shit. And this time no boiler rooms … promise!”
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Slowly Waking Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
@SD, before I woke up I signed up for Matt Bacak’s $1 giveaway of his thing. I basically knew it was a scam, because Bacak oozes scamjuice like rendered bacon fat, even using his momma to convince you he’s clean. But it was a buck and I could PayPal it so he wouldn’t get my digits.
But I did give him my phone # for some reason.
Within a week I started getting calls from his “associate,” from (yep) a call center in Utah, trying to upsell me on coaching that would GUARANTEE me $50,000 in a few months. I didn’t buy it and blocked the number after getting pestered too much.
Later on I found out what the SRDS is. No “infopreneur” can make any money without upselling, cross-selling, downselling…
My junk email still gets Bacak in the spam folder, long after unsubscribing, and people showing up with get-rich-quick scams I’ve never heard of, who had to buy the email from the momma’s buoy. Now it’s almost Christmas, so I’m getting tons of catalogues too, but at least they’ve got pics of models and not Matty’s bloated mug.
PS
Bacak’s $1 system was utter shit, as usual.
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Wait a minute…
Dr. Levy, are you saying that the goons can quite possibly get away with all this?
How can they? All the proof is in their doings. Why can’t they get prosecuted for what they’ve done?
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Dr. Levy Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
@woah!, this problem is widespread and not just in the Internet Marketing scams, financial scams, you name it. The FBI cannot and will not open cases, takes an act of God even when millions of dollars are involved. The SEC, FTC, state attorneys general, you name it, send letters to the scammers and the scammers’ lawyers answer back that so and so is just a disgruntled customer which is why we are suing Raygoza’s lawyer Andrew Weitz who is hiding from the process servers.
But go steal a pack of cigarets from the corner store and the cops will frog march you down to the station and lock you up.
WINNER!! ::
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Bette Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
@Dr. Levy,
Truer words were never spoken…as a victim of Raygoza’s web of deceit, I have found you CAN’T rely on govt. agencies whose workers are paid to just sit on their a**es all day and pass the buck. Belive me, this isn’t the first time I’ve tried to appeal to federal, state, local agencies for help and their only advice is to hire an attorney as they are “limited” in their capacity to aid victims. So, remind me again what our tax dollars are being spent for if not to protect and defend the public from these prevalent bloodsuckers??? Pathetic… No wonder this fraud is so widespread…the crooks know they can get away with it. The govt. agency workers assigned to take the publics’ complaints are nothing but advocates for the scammers as they simply take their word over the victims’, throw up their arms and say, sorry, nothing more we can do! It’s enough to make your head blow up.
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LOSER!! ::
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SD Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
@spoonfaceboy ::
If you like my work … then why do you insist on senselessly repeating the thing I hate the most? Don’t answer that … just fuck off.
If you look at his web footprint … you’ll see that no one ever really saw his web pitch. The sales weren’t generated like that.
Who “falls for” agressive :: hard-sell :: person to person :: conman :: tactics? People.
Who confesses to a rape-murder that they didn’t commit? People.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-confessions/
Four Navy sailors … including Gulf War Vets … to be more specific.
People are easy to manipulate if you know what you’re doing … especially when they are out of their depth … like you are here.
Oh and again … fuck off.
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Duff Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
@spoonfaceboy,
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
I’ve been suckered by con men who appealed to greed before, I admit it. I also used to work in tech support yet once a couple years ago fell for an email virus, stupidly downloading and opening an unusual email attachment.
Perhaps instead of asking “who falls for this idiocy?” we should ask “who is invulnerable to cons, scams, and coercive persuasion?” I don’t know of anyone who is totally invulnerable
WINNER!! ::
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aussie victim Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
@Duff,
writes “Confidence tricks exploit typical human qualities such as greed, dishonesty, vanity, honesty, compassion, credulity, irresponsibility and naïveté. The common factor is that the mark relies on the good faith of the con artist.”
Well, not so fast.
I never wanted anything to do with Raygoza’s shitty outfit:- never heard of the stunt until I got a cold-call from a fast-talking sleaze merchant (Alex Sainz, said he) who explained how he got hold of my contact details. I wanted still to put the phone down, but to my regret, let him waste my precious time, in the course of A 3 HOUR PHONE CALL!
For the whole duration of the sales call, I expressed my skepticism, but decided to go ahead for these reasons:
1. the promises being made; they would set me up in a turn-key business.(too much to describe here…)
2. the caller assured me I needed no special products, did not need marketing experience, nor special skills. He also claimed ‘we have 100% success with our customers.’
3. the website and other evidence indicated Pushtraffic was a substantial business, and not simply a mum & dad operation.
4. During a lull in the phone discussion, I got through on their chat-line to an office operative named Christian, whom I later telephoned to seek assurances from.
Cost: their price had to be steep ‘because I was being invited into an exclusive joint venture’ with a so-called Guru. (etc.)
Still: I remained skeptical, and was on the point of quitting at several times during that exhausting call, which included Pushtraffic’s notorious con-man Harwood Hamilton and the general-purpose sales swindler Rool Mitchell.
Ignore the rest of my story: to my regret, I parted with my credit card number. I always remained doubtful, but considered I would be protected from outright fraud by the system. i.e. US laws and the rules of the credit card institutions. And i felt I was granted up to 30 days to pull out for a full refund. My assumption that US law would protect me proved tragically wrong, and this blog tells a good deal of the rest. US consumer protections are primitive while the Fed Trade Commission is just a bureaucratic filing cabinet for complaints. No, I’m afraid the USA has passed its commercial peak, and no cuts it as a world leader.
On the subject of Mike Filsaime, I did sign up but got a refund, no further questions. But that was not for a coaching course; only for a subscription to his newsletter. (His newsletter contains some worthwhile hints from successful marketers, but I’m not here to advertise it)
I can’t say whether or not Fislaime gives pain to anyone pulling out of his costly coaching courses. Adam Kaye is a Filsaime coach who phoned me. Anyone know that name? All I can do is mention my experience; that I got granted a polite refund for a calcelled subscription. But I repeat: if Filsaime has allied himself with Raygoza, he has made a pact he will live to regret.
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Stoic Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 9:25 am
@aussie victim,
Sorry to hear your story, but any human attribute can be used against you if the shark is vicious enough.
You were hooked, perhaps, because you were too polite to put the phone down. The exhausting call was to exhaust you-people eventually cave to anything, just to make it stop.
These wankers know their business so you can only respond in kind–never give a telesales person an even break–this ain’t a level playing field.
What a sad world we live in, surrounded by the joys of capitalism.
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Slowly Waking Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
@spoonfaceboy, fuck you. Duff’s right that “who falls for this” is the wrong question.
The right one is: “what are my weak points someone can manipulate?”
Because you DO have them. If they’re not about work or money, then maybe they’re about your looks, or your weight, or the strained relationship you have with your dad. Or your lack of education, your shitty golf game, your classic American xenophobia. Eventually, “boy,” they will be about age when your hair thins along with your skin and you body basically melts before turning into dust.
The question is not why people fall for stuff– it’s how to equip them to protect their weak points.
And judging from your idiotic posts that try to seem like you’re the Lone Voice of True Insight and Rugged Honesty, I could get you to buy a festering pile of goat shit by writing copy that flatters your need to feel smarter than other people. Then you could fuck the goat shit and have a family!
Little shitheadboys that take after you.
WINNER!! ::
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The next step to ratchet this up is to get it covered by some major media or even a local TV “On Your Side” report.
Almost always, once that happens, law enforcement gets involved.
I’m sure this attorney is smart and is already working on this angle or shortly will be.
RJ
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@Ross Jeffries, @SD,
Here’s the email from Rich Schefren received this afternoon. Interestingly there’s no mention of Maria Andros in the actual email.
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From: rich@strategicprofits.com [mailto:rich@strategicprofits.com]
Sent: 11 November 2010
To: xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Good example of video marketing done right (free access)
Hey xxxxx,
Whether you are using video marketing in your
online business right now, or you’d like to… but
don’t know how to get started…
This new Free Access Video Course will take the
mystery out of working with video successfully.
Which means building a sizeable list, and
increasing your sales, all from using video
correctly in your marketing.
Get Your Free Access Here
(link goes to http://www.videoconversionformula.com/launch-1e)
Register now, and in just seconds you’ll get all
the details about the “4 E’s” of profitable video
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Enabling you to build a strong email list, that
you can profit from at will.
Today you’ll get access to the first of 3
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The proven strategies you’ll discover actually go
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SD Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 3:30 am
@Pass the Sick Bag ::
There you gos RJ … now you have to break up with your boyfriend. Or else … maybe you should get in on this Andros situation now that you think about it … her karate certainly seems impressive.
Dear Maria ::
My name is The Salty Droid … but people call me The Queen of The Salty Droid … welcome to this note i wrote for you.
You can’t imagine how much I laughed at your video. How can you be such a joke? You are a not-comic comic genius … and I for one thank you for your free content. Love your scary new copyright notice. I’m scared. That’s for sure.
Here read this …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
… can you read?
Okay see you later.
To higher profits,
SD
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 10:44 am
@Pass the Sick Bag,
Click the link. It doesn’t work. So maybe he stopped promoting it and you got an old email.
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David Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 11:21 am
@Ross Jeffries,
I think the problem is that the end bracket got attached to the url by mistake.
Try it without the bracket – http://www.videoconversionformula.com/launch-1e
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Bullshit Detector Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 11:57 am
@Ross Jeffries, I got the SAME email from Schefren 22 hours ago. Just checked my “guru junk” email account (where I have signed up to receive just about “everybody’s” emails)…searched for the name “Schefren”…and holy shit…that email is in there. He’s using infusionsoft.
RJ, it is ABSOLUTELY time to eject from Schefren. No doubt about it.
I’m seriously amazed that the guy is promoting Andros crap as we speak. Has he lost his friggin mind?
I now consider his “separating himself from the douchebags” email to be TOTAL BULLSHIT. Schefren is now formally on my shitlist.
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
@Bullshit Detector,
Ok.
The only question is: do I confront Rich with this on his next call-in time so everyone listening gets to hear about it or do I just quietly quit?
I’m also a bit troubled by his Theory Of Constraint report where he interviews Fillasaime among others.
The idea that there is ONE thing that is holding someone back from business success is nonsense.
So who votes I just quit and who votes I call him on it and THEN quit?
RJ
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
@Ross Jeffries,
Just cancelled. Rather than disrupt I’m just going to stop giving him my money.
Done.
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SD Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
@Ross Jeffries ::
Well :: it only took me more than a year to convince you to do that … at this rate I’ll have this cesspool cleaned up in no time … like by December 3010.
_cartman_ Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
@Pass the Sick Bag,
Schefren should be proud he left sleazy marketing behind….an Excerpt from Andros mail today…
Are Andros statements a legally binding “guarantee”? If someone took action [[based on those statements]]….would it be actionable for more then just the price of the course?
WINNER!! ::
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Hi” Yep, I’m the R Joseph, lawyer and all, who is a plaintiff in this lawsuit against Levy and all. I appreciate the blog and the comments–all of them. Was I an idiot. You know it. But it wasn’t greed that cooked me. I was paraalyzed (got hurt taking out a bag of garbage) and had gotten MRSA in my spine and pelvis. I had been approached by Raygoza’s pitchman, Rob Martino, who found me because I was trying to find an income to support my family.
You see, after I became paralyzed, I ried to keep working. I got infected and I had to have the right half of my pelvis removed. I was told I could never work again. I have a mortgage and two daughters. I was pretty desperate. I did not want to be on the Social Security GRAVEY TRAIN (yeah, right) and was trying to find work I could do from home. I was trying to do legal work for firms, research, writing, etc.
Anyway, Raygoza found me and Martino and I started talking. I was very skeptical. I debated for months. Martine, the salesman, knew all about my illness. He told me his brother was paralyzed in an accident and wanted to try to help me. He said he appreciated that I wanted to be a functioning member of society, a trait he “admired in his brother”. Then, I got really sick. The infection flared up and I was in the hospital. He called me there (I told him I was there in an E=mail), to see how I was doing.
He promised to help me and get thing running until I got better. I was hoping to have some firms lined up to work for when I got home. He said he could build and promeote a website that would get firms to see my website, which he would build for me. He wanted $20k. I told him no. I told hime $8 to do the site and promote it. He told me he could do it for $15K, and that he would do everything for the first few months. I was going to be in the hospital for about three months and then in rehab for two more. He knew that. So, I talk to his supervisor, Molina, who OK’d the deal. He said it would be ok for Martino to do the work, instead of coaching me. I okd $15k. They charged my Am. Exp. Card $20k. When I got home several months later (about four and an half months) I saw my credit card bill for the first time. I could not have the mail in the hospital, because of the infection and did the rehab in Detroit, some 400 hundred miles away. I called all of my creditors and told them of the situation, so they were good about no payments and then I did some direct payments, so I did not see the actual statement.
When I did see it I called immediately. I tried to reverse the charges. Too late they said and Am. Exp. took their side. Then I tried to get Rob to help because he guaranteed that the work would be their or he would credit my card for the full amount. His exact words. In any event, Rob had disappeared. Molina offered me $3,000. Then he said they would build me a website to sell educational materials and coach me how to promote it but it would cost me for the leads (first time I ever heard that). I asked about my legal web site directed toward large law firms. No, I was told, they did not do that.
I gave up. until a miracle happened and I found Dr. Levy, a very good attorney (I know how to find that out). He agreed to represent me and others. The problem is, Raygoza and his money may be gone. Martino is gone. These guys are very smart. It is hard to take advantage of that many people. We need help. Like this article. But we need help from the legitimate internet business people, if there are any. Getting rid of these guys is in everyone’s best interest. So, if you know Raygoza, Molina or any of the others, please contact me or Dr. Levy (his contact info is listed above), or write us in a reply here. Sorry this is so long. Interesting to me, I guess. Thankyou for the forum and the help. To everyone else, PLEASE help, if you can. Thank you, Richard Joseph
WINNER!! ::
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SD Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 3:50 am
@R Joseph ::
I can’t believe he called you at the hospital.
Holy shit!
I guess I already said that.
Your story is beyond heartbreaking.
Unfortunately :: I have experience in another life of trying to get big law firms to try new things staffing wise. I’ll put it mildly and say that Human Resources innovation isn’t a top priority. And the ABA really isn’t helping out either … minting new meat at a record pace. But that is another topic.
Hopefully your period of suffering WAY more than your fair share is coming to close.
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@R Joseph, you said: Interesting to me, I guess.
It’s interesting to me too, man, and I am sure it is to a lot if us that come here often. I am truly sorry for you – know you are not alone.
I hope you work this stuff out, and make that reptile pay.
I can’t offer much, but I do offer you my help – and if you need a website, I’ll build you one for free. Can’t do much to help you promote it (time is a bear!) – but I’ll be happy to talk to you about it, and try to help you. I have no magic bullets – no products to sell you. But your story hits me, and I am certainly here to offer you help, if I can. I build lots of websites, so if I can offer one to you, please, feel free to email me any time. There’s no meter running.
Godspeed – and best to you in your fight.
WINNER!! ::
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Richard Joseph Reply:
January 15th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
@Martypants, Hi. if the offer still stands after all this time, send me a note. I am healthy again and ready to try something. I would love to talk. Thanks so much for the offer. Sorry for the delay in responding. This paralysis thing is tough. I guess that is what got me in trouble with Ragoza in the first place. Maybe there is a market out there for people like me. I have a lot to offer, but I don’t know how to reach the people. Thanks, Dick
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Salty, I learn so many excellent things on your site. Like that one has really arrived when they can watch sports (and maybe even Oprah) on TV while working. Icky….
But seriously, this sort of thing makes me feel really lucky that my mother never did anything worse than renew her subscription to Time magazine so early and often as she was slipping into the grip of dementia that the subscription outlived her and that my father, also deceased, refused to do any business with anyone who called him on the phone rather than the other way around and that in his 80′s he refused to learn how to use a computer and the internet, though there are some things out here that I really think he would have liked.
Thanks to you and everyone else who happen to be contributing more than I am to this fight against the lowdown bastards.
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I already run my website on the evil Raygoza gang. About 3 months, now, I think. Won’t repeat all I am saying there.
But I read, with astonimshment, somewhere on this blog that somehow, MIke Filsaime is being linked to the JPRaygoza syndicate, either as an affilaite or…?
Filsaime publishes a very repectable marketing magazine, and has obviously made it by now.( Strikes me as a lonely millionaire, but maybe you know better)
Now, Filsaime’s sales reps have been in touch with me during this apst year. I took the chance to tell them I was enraged by the rAygoza scam, and had no money left to spend on internet marketing, the result of trusting the rAygoza gang.
I even mention Filsaime on my blog, because I wanted to contrast his efforts with those of the despicable Mexican con-man of Malibu Beach. Moreover, Filsaime did, in my case, readily grant a refund. A very important distinction! No nonsense. A refund. Only $100 or so. But no pain, no argument, no attorneys.
So even a claim that Filsaime is affiliated with rAygoza has to be defamatory! If I were Filsaime, I’d be suing.
But if Filsaime has made any alliance at all with Raygoza he has to be a total fool, and will throw away his hard-earned reputation. Filsaime does not need Raygoza and never did. so I am skeptical about those reports.
But apart from this egregious and unlikely association with Filsaime, I wanted to make the point that Raygoza’s fortune was built on one thing: stone-walling against refunds. Just to get Raygoza to discuss a refund is a big challenge.
Conclusion: this changes my relationship with America, and I tell that to any US business trying to sell me anything, even on credit cards. The credit card insitutions [Damn them.] are reluctant to effect charge-back, as I ruefully discovered. The banks aree gullible, ignorant and feckless.
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Anonymouse Reply:
November 11th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
@Aussie victim, alas you are mistaken about how decent Mike Filsaime is. http://saltydroid.info/category/mike-filsaime/
But I don’t think SD was actually saying that was what happened, just to think about how the boiler rooms work … still how did MF get your details to ring you anyway?
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A Non Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 1:14 am
@Aussie victim, Mike Filsaime ran a webinar this week about his new program, the Franchise thingie. He’s selling ready made websites that you pay around $2,000 for and all the affiliates links are built in and you are supposedly going to make money (yeah, right!).
But GET THIS! If you are lucky enough to get a sale, the buyer’s details get sent automatically to “THE CALL CENTER”! where somone cold calls them to offer personal mentoring. Filsaime says the franchisee can make up to $1,600 commission. I never did trust Filsaime. He’s relentless with his upsell, downsell, sideways sell – I just call it greed.
Russell Brunson does it too. I got called three times in the past week by his call center. I’ve had several calls from Matt Bacak’s call center. I don’t trust ANY of these pricks. They are all doing it now.
I always say NO! and make sure to tell them the story about Raygoza. (Yes, I was his victim too – almost 3 years ago).
SPREAD THE WORD GUYS, EVERY WHICH WAY YOU CAN!
WINNER!! ::
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MazeMan Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 2:30 am
@A Non,
Wait… didn’t Mike Salami (Filsaime) make an emotional post about cleaning up IM and how he wasn’t participating in upsells etc.?
Hey Salami… what ya say now? Clown!!!!
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SD Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 4:20 am
@A Non ::
Matt Bacak has a call center … or it was Brunson’s call center calling for Bacak?
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A Non Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 7:31 am
@SD, They probably all took up Raygoza’s offer!
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SD Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 4:18 am
@Aussie victim ::
You do have a lot of info on your blog. Nice work.
I don’t know if Filsaime has anything to do with GoonZa … but I think it’s funny {in a sad way} that that’s the focus of your comment. I hope you’re not still believing in the dream … cause you’re only gonna find more of the same.
Making money online is HARD … borderline impossible. Don’t trust anyone who tells you different.
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Hey,
From what I here from an inside
source Raygoza was calling up
prospects pretending to be
well known marketers.
He would call up people and say
“Hi, it’s blank and try to win
them over.”
Pure fraud.
Unfortunately, this crook is tarnishing
the names of honest marketers.
Don’t believe everything you read…
Dirk
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Unicorn Army Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
@Dirk, there’s plenty of proof on who uses callcenters.
For instance, Filsaime sells a bizop at seminars that is nearly identical to this Raygooza scam. You pay thousands to get started with “ready made websites” and every lead you send them (with your own damn money) goes to their boiler room.
Sure these “legitimate businessmen” give refunds on the front-end products, because the money is in the lead, and refunding on the cheap product still gets you fed into the boiler room for coaching scams.
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SD Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
@Dirk ::
“honest marketers”
adorable!
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Now Gideon Shalwick – http://gideonshalwick.com/ – is promoting Maria Andros’s new product. Perhaps we need to name and shame everyone who is promoting her.
========================
Did you hear what happened to Maria Andros (very
well known video marketer)?
I met her about 2 years ago when she was just
starting out online. Within her first few weeks
online she made over 250k!
That’s pretty impressive by any standard!
I was one of the first people to ever support
Maria online, and since I’ve known her, she’s gone
from strength to strength to get massive worldwide
exposure with video marketing.
And now, she is telling the world how she pulled
it off…
You can watch her inspiring video here:
Watch How Maria Made Her First 250k With Video
Please make sure you watch her video before the
weekend, because early next week, I want to share
a very exciting surprise with you… you will
really like it, but I’ll tell you more next week.
For now, just make sure you watch Maria’s video,
and wait for my next email some time next week. I
can’t let the cat out of the bag just yet. You’ll
see why next week…
Talk soon!
Gideon Shalwick
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_cartman_ Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
@Pass the Sick Bag,
Yeah she named Yaro Starak, Nathan Jurewicz, Fleeceme, Schefren, Jenkins [[not sure his role]] and others on the jvpartner video.
I think I disclosed the link in the petty n petty post. She mentions those promoting it in the following two videos.
http://vcformula.s3.amazonaws.com/jvblognew.mov
http://vcformula.s3.amazonaws.com/Trailer-LowRes10.1.10tg.m4v
She mentions them in the first and shows their pictures in the second…this is how you “know” it’s a good coarse [[ha...I kill me]]
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David Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
@_cartman_, Good find!
@RJ, quote from slide at 2:48 entitled “Biggest Names & Leaders Fully Supporting & “Behind the VCF Launch’”
“Rich Schefren and Brian Johnson are joining us from Strategic Profits and have generously helped me plan key strategies for this launch from Day 1″
Other people mentioned in her roll call of infamy as supporters of the launch:
Mike Filsaime
Andy Jenkins
Jeff Johnson
Jeremy Schoemaker
Yaro Starak and Gideon Shalwick
Ryan Higgins, Glen and Natalie Ledwell (Mind Movies)
Tim Houston
Nathan Jurewicz
Cory Boatright
James Schramko
Christian Mickelson
Lisa Sasevitch
Sharla Jacobs
Other ‘highlights’:
A re-open has already been planned: “then a quick two day re-open to be announced”
“Mike Filsaime has offered ‘with no strings attached’ to INVITE all of his Valued Partners & Affiliates to be a part of the VCF Launch”
“Let’s make this Launch great and deliver it with Integrity”
WINNER!! ::
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SD Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
@_cartman_ ::
Why don’t you make a video of her awesome videos … then i can post it without having to do any work!
Can it be HD? I really must insist. I mean she was kind enough to do us that favor.
Who else wants to make Maria videos? We could do a whole Maria video post … interrupt this stupid launch.
Don’t be sexists … except during the parts where she’s pretending to be a model … cause she’s really just begging for it there.
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Dale Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Gets my vote! Cartman is THE video master! :) And there have to be some talented people who aspire to the Cartman level of video cleverness. It would be awesome to see a nice stream of Andros videos show up, like yesterday!
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MJ Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
@Pass the Sick Bag, @SD
Just got this email from ShoeMoney promoting Maria Spam-dros. In the 4th paragraph says she’s made other company’s millions by doing their videos.
Shouldn’t he (or Maria Andros) have to actually PROVE this legally or can anyone just make stuff up without penalty?
- MJ
—–
There has been no shortage lately of products that help you make videos… and with good reason. Video sells more than anything. When we split tested the ShoeMoney System landing page we found that the video version way out performed the non video version 30% better.
There is just no better way to tell the story about your products and services other then demonstrating them in a video.
OK that’s great. But how do you know what to do? How do you know what the key elements are that make video work so well? How do you get the confidence to put yourself in front of the camera?
Last March I had the pleasure of meeting Maria Andros. Her name might not ring a bell but when you see her face it will. Maria has been doing videos for companies for years helping them make millions of dollars. She took that video conversion knowledge and put it to work in her own product. She made over $250,000 with a very small list.
She then started making videos to promote other peoples products and quickly became a powerhouse in the industry.
When I met her in person I asked her for some tips on my videos. I wrote a book of notes from what she told me. She has such an amazing knowledge of the space its mind blowing.
I told her she should create a video series to help people who are trying to get started.
Today she released a free video called Video Blackbelt Breakthrough. Its 100% free and has some amazing content.
=> http://ShoeMoneyLikestheCock.com
Take out a notepad and make sure you write down the 4 “E’s” that she covers. They apply not only to video marketing but marketing in general.
The advice in this video is truly priceless so make sure you check it out today:
=> http://ShoeMoneyLikestheCock.com
Talk soon,
Jeremy
WINNER!! ::
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208-577-6210 Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
@MJ, “I wrote a book of notes..” How? That’s the most laughable lie I’ve ever read. A BOOK of notes?! Would have brought a whole new meaning to the phrase ‘light reading’:
…I asked for advice and Andros just stood for a second – vacant expression… eyes still and thoughtful (surely ‘glazed-over’? Ed.)… carefully composing her thoughts. Awesome technique, I thought! Gotta do that in my own videos! Why hadn’t I spotted it before? But then I should have expected such genius from the Video Marketing Queen. But that was only the beginning…because just 15 minutes later..
..still standing, Andros carefully, deliberately opened her mouth, and as it opened, words came out. Oh Jesus, I thought – $15k was totally worth it. Words!! Words!! Why hadn’t I thought of it? I knew my own videos had been lacking something recently. And what I heard from her just blew me away:
“Um…yeah…you’ve really got to…like…yeah…open yourself up to the world….y’know…it’s like….um….when you feel really connected….you know…like with your feet….and the ground…are all just like….connected…y’know…”
I was scribbling so fast, hand shaking – I could hardly bring myself to look down at her feet to confirm. Tears ran down my cheeks as I lowered my gaze…millimetre by millimetre… (get on with it. Ed.)…and saw that her feet were indeed connected to the ground!! They were right on top of it!! Breathlessly, I turned a page…(that’s enough Andros notes. Ed.)
WINNER!! ::
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Tres Piernas Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
@MJ, I was sitting at the bar at the hotel where Underground 6 was held in Maryland, minding my own business late one night.
In comes Shoemoney with Andros and a gigantic as in huge African American lady.
Earlier, Shoemoney was bragging about how his internet millions allowed him to put his loving wife through medical school.
So it was interesting when Andros leaves and Shoemoney and this “large” lady start macking.
Andros didn’t register for the event, may be she didn’t have no money? But she when there anyways and was all clinging on to many of the people you write about.
Oh the hipocrisy. Ms. Whorebag couldn’t get Mr. Shomoneyz attention cuz he was busy macking on some brown chocolate when his wife was doctoring around or sleeping at home or whatever unsuspecting spouses are doing.
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E=mc^2 Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
@Tres Piernas, Maria Andros got dumped for a nice curvy lady who can cook a mean Thanksgiving dinner. Shoemoney isn’t completely desperate.
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The point about Raygoza’s boiler room is that the sales people were psyched up to “close” the deal at any cost. They distanced themselves from the victim’s circumstances and didn’t know when to take no for an answer.
They particularly ripped off the elderly and disadvantaged because of their gullibility and lack of internet business acumen. They verbally promised 100% guarantee of success within 30 days and that any costs would be more than covered by sales before the credit card bill was due.
They wheedled the credit card number out of the victims under the pretense of checking what kind of services they would “qualify” for. Then while the victim waited on the phone, they would proceed to charge the card in a string of around $2,000 transactions until the credit limit was reached. This was often without consent from the victim. If the victim had said yes, they were charged more than the agreed amount.
They tricked victims into signing a contract by telling them they were simply signing a Confidentiality Agreement to protect their “trade secrets”. The victims were trapped by deception.
They didn’t honour the mandatory 3 days cooling off period. If the victim challenged the charges with their credit card company, they were refused a chargeback because they had signed “the contract”.
The fraud was committed in the boiler room and Raygoza covered his ass in small print, stating that the company could not be held responsible for any promises made by the sales consultant. He also had a clause that states that illness is no excuse.
GOOD ONE RAYGOZA! YOU’RE A SLIMY GREEDY LOWLIFE SCUMBAG! AND YOU KNOW IT! THIS IS NOT A GAME OF MONOPOLY. YOU ARE PLAYING WITH REAL PEOPLE’S LIVES. GO TO JAIL AND DO NOT COLLECT $200!
WINNER!! ::
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Ann Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
@A Non, Thanks for making it clearer to those who haven’t experienced Raygoza’s wiles.
I never thought I could be taken in like he took me. When he called, he identified himself as Jonny Andrews (from whom I’d purchased information a month or 2 prior); when I questioned the difference in voice from online videos he claimed the online personna was an actor hired to do their advertising videos – sounded plausible. Since I’d seen good customer reviews of Andrews’ customer service, the fact that he might call and ask how I’d made out with his info also seemed at least possible.
Long story short – as anon says they pulled the credit card scam – three smaller transactions totalling $4500 US (at the time $5713 of my spendable Canadian).
No, I don’t believe he targets the elderly and handicapped – they couldn’t have known I fit both profiles, but finding those facts out during the phone session made no difference.
Both of those circumstances merely meant I’d been searching for a legitimate way to augment my monthly pension income (not to make millions working in my undershirt at my kitchen table!)
I trusted that the caller would teach me what I needed to know about building and publishing websites, and how to market online – call me naiive, gullible or whatever you like (except greedy as someone said earlier).
Fact is I thought I was being offered an education which I was willing to pay for – the caller said he’d want payment out of my first real profit. Instead, after getting my credit card number and maxing out the account (to the point of overdraft) without my knowledge or consent, they rushed me into signing their non-disclosure/confidentiality agreement, and at that point had all they wanted.
When I realized what had happened, and that everything they (not he) were offering was software and services anyone can get for free (except JumpLaunch hosting), it was too late they had my money. I already had hosting and autoresponder accounts – just needed the know how to tie it all together.
I decided to “eat” the penalty for being so damn gullible and cancelled according to the terms of the agreement. Guess what? They had no intention of honoring their side of the agreement – totally ignored my requests, then demands – when I finally went to the chargeback process their lawyer argued (successfully) that, among other outright lies, I’d received all I’d expected.
They took a relatively small amount from me compared to some, but the effect of the scam on one’s life is relative to what resources they have in the first place.
Thanks again, Salty! Thanks also to Dr. Jonathan Levy for taking on the good fight.
Ann
http://onlinelowblowsandsuckerpunches.wordpress.com/
WINNER!! ::
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@John Raygoza takes it balls deep, They are brothers. (Rayza-Go got married this year just after his daughter was born – but I guess that doesn’t prove much)
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Scumbags nearly took $6400 from me. Fortunately my bank helped me to get the money back. I feel sorry for the people who lost money.
Hope they (Rougoza and his cronies) get what they deserve. G
Goal sentances.
WINNER!! ::
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John Paul Raygoza told me he would treat my website like his own and personally guaranteed me that if I did not double my investment in 3 months he would personally refund ALL my money. He teaches PPC advertising and tells you that the extra money he is taking from you is to use for PPC. Since he & I both know that I know nothing about pay per click advertising other than that you can lose loads of money very quickly if done wrong, you trust the scum bag to do exactly what he said he would do.
In his teaching he shows how he is doing exactly that for another client, so you believe him when he says he will now do it for your website.
They know all the tricks of their dirty trade and we, the elderly generation still trust and take people at their word. Gullible, I hear you say, in today’s world unfortunately yes.
I long for the good old days, when a handshake held up in a court of law.
WINNER!! ::
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Anonymous Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 8:47 am
@Qaspiel, I am truly sorry this happened to you, but this doesn’t just happen to the elderly or sick, it also happens to bright, young and highly intelligent, educated people as well. You are not alone.
The good old days also had some bad, evil scammers in it’s time, these things just weren’t talked about as much and weren’t reported as much. When someone got scammed out of their life savings they kept it quiet, because they felt shame for having been deceived. Lots of people suffered in silence and took things to their grave in the old days.
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No the victims did not deserve what they got. They were innocent to an on line scam artist that stole their money including elderly people. John Paul Raygoza is a devil here on earth and deserves what is coming to him. To rot in hell cause he is a no good scum bag that left me in default of paying my credit cards because he leterally got a hold of my information and coerced me into signing a contract telling me he will be adding money back into my account even before the first payment. You will be talking with me everyday. He stole $2,118 and unfortunetly I was never able to recover it from my credit card. I told them I couldn’t afford the payments and the credit card company is harrassing me to pay them everyday and I cannot I was left with nothing to pay them with. Be Careful of John Denton as well he is behind all this as also because he told me I would go out to California and shake his hand as others do. Even if John Levy recovers my money I am afraid it will be to late because with interest charges they will go up and up and up. So I have to pay the government taxes first that go up and up and up as well. I was surely taken for a big pie in the sky scam.
WINNER!! ::
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SE Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 11:37 am
@Maryann Borzillary,
Don’t worry. Things will get better. Keep your head up and be more careful in the future.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 7:32 am
@Maryann Borzillary, what is that awful web site you’re linking to there? The last scam you feel for, or the next one?
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SD Reply:
November 17th, 2010 at 4:40 am
@Unicorn Army ::
Why you have to hate on the Wealth Creation Network’s zero out-of-pocket no cash wealth building solution in a box package?
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Unicorn Army Reply:
November 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am
@SD, I was hoping for a Mega Super Pack.
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I like how John and his boyfriend, Ted, are wearing matching shirts in that pick. Adorable!
The stains on Ted’s shirt are a nice touch. Looking sharp, fellas!
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Ann Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
@Eric, Ted is John’s half brother, and the other half of the team who scammed me.
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I was told I could cancel anytme and would not be billed. Well, I was in the middle of purchasing a house and did not know they billed my credit card 20,000 – the limit – on it. The loan company went nuts and I told them of course I would cancel the charge as I did not authorize it. Did not happen. These crooks have it with the credit card companies that they have done their work and the charges always stick. They lie, say anything until you say yes, I’ll try.
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SE Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 11:38 am
@Barbara,
Nobody can escape karma.
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From the lawsuit
27.Many of the plaintiffs were vulnerable elderly and/or disabled and were specifically targeted by the CE because they did not understand the technical aspects of the internet or the terminology utilized, could be easily led and were made to feel stupid if they questioned the outrageous lies of the defendants. Employees of the CE laughed and derided plaintiffs who called in after the fact and desperate for a return of their funds when the promised profits never materialized.In one case, indicative of the defendants’ practice of abusing the elderly, the CE sales staff supervised by Molina placed an elderly individual on a speaker phone and laughed and joked as he begged for his money to be returned according to a former employee who witnessed the cruel spectacle.
How helpless she/he must have been, trying hard to get back their money.
What a riot.
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SE Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
@Renaldo,
A person that does this to another person should be considered mentally sick and in my opinion most likely suffers from some type of mental disorder. Laughing and joking while another human being begs you to not financially wreck them is defiantly some type of mental illness.
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I can hardly wait to see these slimy pigs in jail. I am one of John Raygoza, David Sipe, John Denton and Rob Martino’s victims. (15,000.00)I once asked John R how he sleeps at night and he said…”I sleep just fine”. These people are sociopaths…plain and simple. They lack a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience. They make me sick! Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see these guys go down.
WINNER!! ::
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Dearest Victims ::
How do you think this turd licker got your name and phone number?
Had you recently purchased a low priced Internet Marketing product :: or attended a seminar :: or filled out a survey :: or purchased another product through John Paul … etc?
I’m curious.
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Ann Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
@SD, As I said above, I had purchased a product from Jonny Andrews, and in doing so had provided him with telephone number on the opt in.
To keep the facts straight – I messaged Andrews on FB after the scam as follows (with his reply):
“Hi Jonny this is fyi – hoping you care. I bought your program “Money Siphon” about a year ago. I can only guess how JP Raygoza (Push Traffic Inc.) knew that, but what he or his “GM” Ted Molina did was phone me claiming to be you – offering help with getting my internet pursuits into profit. I questioned his identity because it didn’t sound like the online video Jonny. He said the online personna was an actor. Long story short – he got me to confirm my credit card number and proceeded to max out the account after telling me I would owe him AFTER becoming profitable. I’m contacting you because I’m sure I’m not the only one he used your identity with. And I KNOW he has claimed to be other known marketers to suck people in. (referenced a website no longer online) I hope you will be very cautious about who you sell lists to. Guys like Raygoza are hurting countless people and tying his name to yours among others.
Regards,
Ann Breckenridge
Jonny Andrews January 28 at 4:36pm
Oh yea! Thad dude screwed up big time. I tried his floor once and his sales people were so horrible I immediatly stopped. 100% different than what he said it was. I’m very happy he’s getting shut down. People like that don’t deserve to be in biz.
Thanks for the info! I’ll check it out”
At that point I was a major newbie online – didn’t even know about call centres.
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CAN THIS CLASS ACTION BE EXPANDED?
As we all know, Raygoza is just the one who is named in a law suit. He’s not the only criminal who does this. There are tons of others, already named on this blog, who do EXACTLY the same.
All of the guys submitting “leads” (read: sucker lists) to the various Boiler Rooms are EXACTLY as evil as Raygoza.
Filsaime’s been known for a long time now to instruct the rooms to find out how much is on someone’s card before quoting the “extra low special price.”
The rest of the turds who send these leads are doing exactly the same.
Now, I’m not a lawyer, but I think the suit may be more powerful, and may attract more media attention, if it is expanded.
If we can’t name them in the same suit, can we begin a new one versus the syndicate? Maybe get the same lawyer to take it on, since he’ll be more experienced after he takes down Raygoza.
We need to organize. This should be just the beginning for us. Salty has shown us it’s safe to raise our voices. This suit shows us there is something that can be done.
I saw we go after ALL of the people passing off sucker lists to these predators. We need to be brave so we can protect our grandparents. So many baby boomers are falling victim to this crap.
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By the way, why is everyone so against Marie Andros? Why is promoting her cause for being black-balled?
Not that I would defend any of these scumbags, but I want to know why promoting her especially seems to be as big a reputation-killing sin as promoting the Gnome or Belcher are?
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Mr. Nodoubtfire Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
@Douche Patrol, Besides the post about her on this blog, there have been lots of interesting things pointed out in the comments (unfortunately, many of them were made under unrelated subjects, so you’ll have to root around). Long story short, she is another shallow “fake it ’til you make it” type, and her “fax” and “figures” are dubious at best. Regular commenter “_Cartman_” has done a great job deconstructing her claims whenever she has popped up as a topic of mention in the comments. Maybe he will chime in if he sees this.
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_cartman_ Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 1:44 am
@Mr. Nodoubtfire,
My ears started ringing…it was the universal…told me I had a call…and I came a running…
First..thank you..I am humbled…& I don’t deserve the praise
did everyone see my praise ….everyone…that’s my praise…wooohoo!! ;) [[some understand the parody..some are scratching their heads thinking...just how much fucking acid does this guy do before posting...hey who thought that...that's not nice...kick off the negative thinkers..they's just jealous haters!]]
@Douche Patrol,
Where to even begin with Andros. Let me sum it up like this…
Most of what Andros claims about her past are lies…
All of what Andros states about metrics are wrong…
Most of what Andros claims about videos are nonsense…
Most of what Andros teaches is beyond idiotic….
A FEW Claims….Truths are yes lies are no
Make-up:yes
Marketing:no
ebaytenmonth$100K:no ebay1year$100k:no [[in all audios Andros claims ebay started April'07 after the secret..on myspace she spoke of ebay in the past tense ...last login oct '07..max earning claim their upto $4,800/month]]
onlineREinvest$100K:no
videostenmonth$100k:no
interviewedbyvariousshows:no
ambassadorship:no 500Kviewsasofdec08:no
500Kviewsasofnow:no [[calculated..hidden by andros after first mention here with exact view count]]
mortgages:no REownership:no
The thing is Andros removes all doubt about any perceived honesty…with most of these so called pseudo experts…you have to ask yourself…are they lying or not…you may feel they’re lying..you may even damn well know they are lying…but can’t be sure [[most won't understand or know how to interpret the available metrics, and they can't and won't show hidden metrics]]…but with Andros…her lies are so poorly constructed and easily forgotten that she contradicts herself [[she littered the internet with lies]]…so those that promote her…are promoting a fraud, absolutely, with no equivocation [[big word...yeah...I just saw enemy of the state...I'm kind of sad that I didn't watch a few good men..you want the fruit...you want the fruit...you can't handle the fruit...I go around coaching supermarkets how to get more customers by putting on stupid produce skits....I lied...see how easy that was]]
Most everything I have disseminated about Andros (and presented in the “she is god” thread and the “pretty in petty” a few kilstein threads, etc, etc, are deceptions which I include proof where available online, and came back to prove my point when I was showing the truth about the metrics…etc, etc, in most cases all you have to do to disseminate the truth with andros is
Take her video A and compare it with her video B
Take her copy A and compare it with copy B
that simple
the real convenient thing is…if her video [[or report]] is long enough..you can actually disseminate her lie in the same “medium”….it’s magical…you know what else is magical?…
I knew when she saw I provided the link to her swipe copies of lies she would take them down..and she did…but I saved them all…isn’t that magical!…fuck me…she even embellishes other people’s testiMOANials [[ie:tania gabrielle claimed something like $24K in three weeks...andros stated that in one copy...in another copy andros stated...gabrielle made that $24K in one day...I will be hosting all the swipe copies for amusement and enjoyment...Andros...you're welcome!]]
all seriousness aside…
I think Mr. Nodoubtfire said things much more succinctly then I ever could [[but I like to hear myself type]]
WINNER!! ::
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MJ Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 10:07 am
@_cartman_,
Perfectly said… I love how when you Google her name, the meta title of MariaAnrdos.com says “the Official” site.
She sure takes being pretentious to a whole new level.
I mean, it’s a good thing with all of her search traffic that she let’s others know it’s official. I’m relieved.
Interesting how real experts in the world don’t need to try to amplify their importance.
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Pass the Sick Bag Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 11:06 am
@MJ, I\’m sure there\’s a touch of megalomania there. However she\’s also probably concerned about the \’unofficial\’ Maria Andros sites.
One of her admirers has snapped up http://www.mariaandros.ca and and headlines the page with \”Maria Andros Social Media Traffic Blueprint is a Scam\”.
Then there\’s a good description of Andros\’s questionable activities and claims.
And the author pulls no punches with his/her conclusion:
\”Maria Andros is a fraud, and her Social Media Traffic Blueprint is as worthless at creating income as she is. Andros has accomplished no marketing, and the advertising she did about herself, is fraudulent and deceitful on many levels. Maria Andros is the Video Marketing queen of scam.\”
At the bottom of the page there\’s a link to the OFFICIAL Salty Droid site LOL.
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BAN THE BOILER ROOM! (Tele-spam)
This strategy ought to be outlawed.
Basically all it amounts to is TELE-SPAM!
Boiler rooms employ telemarketing tactics.
Marketing that is unsolicited. That makes it a form of spam.
Email spam has been outlawed so why not ban verbal spam too?
Perhaps I could start a viral petition hilighting this problem
and address it to the FTC. Anyone care to comment on this?
Let’s clean up the internet of ALL forms of SPAM.
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SIN-DICK-ATE Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
@A Non, never going to happen.
People can use phone rooms for legitimate purposes too.
Better to go after the people who are already committing crimes with the phone rooms, like deceptive marketing claims, predatory pricing, and so on.
We know who the evilest of the evil are already:
1. Top Douche: Tie between Belcher, Kern, and Filsaime
Belcher and Filsaime both don’t have reputations anymore. I think that’s plain as day for anyone paying attention. Kern keeps coming back like a virus. Now he’s Tony Robbins with a bad haircut.
2. Douche Deuce: Tie between Jenkins and Shefren
3. etc.
We need to go after them harder. What if we did a viral marketing campaign spreading around the most vicious crimes committed by these bastards? That’s a far better way to go about it.
Let’s use their tools against them. Who can put together the best viral video highlighting the ugliest truths here? Then we all go all out and make that video super popular.
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SE Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
SD may want to set-up a mailing list and a newsletter. He can announce new blog posts on the mailing list & encourage people to forward his emails to any friends or family involved in online marketing/business.
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A Non Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
@SIN-DICK-ATE,
I’m with you on most of the names you raised, but I find it hard to believe that Schefren would dare risk his reputation by doing this if he thought it was shady.
I was on a call with Rich this week (part of his BGS course) and Filsaime was alluded to regarding his new Franchise Method system, which includes a CALL CENTER upsell. Schefren expressed his disapproval and said it was a mistake to go down that path.
He always advocates honesty, transparency and generosity. He even said that any marketer should give a satisfaction guarantee – money back, no questions asked. That’s what he teaches. Schefren warns that the internet has a long memory and that unhappy customers/clients will be the ultimate judges, revealing all to the world. (Trial by Social Media). It’s what prompted Alex Jeffreys to write his lengthy report – “The Gurus Nightmare”.
Bottom line is – genuinely wanting to help others. Making a healthy income from doing good is far better than ripping people off and not sleeping at night in your lonely, luxurious mansion.
I agree with your video idea. A series of “Reverse Testimonials” would flush more victims out of the woodwork. Need to be mindful of the possibility of slander and defamation lawsuits.
I’ve come up with another way of tackling the scam problem but can’t go into details yet.
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Mr Gray Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 6:05 am
@A Non, Schefren endorses Andros (Greek for ‘man’, we note).
Nuff said.
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A Non Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 7:08 am
@Mr Gray, That doesn’t make Schefren a bad guy. Many people have promoted her stuff. I’ve never been a fan of hers, but I know a few people personally who think she’s very knowledgable at what she does and have been coached by her.
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_cartman_ Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 11:14 am
@A Non,
uhhhuh….you said it in spades…
who think she’s very knowledgable
keywords:who think
Pseudo experts are all around us, we have alternative crap sellers, false financial guru [[and I am not going to mention madoff]], false real estate experts [[the list goes on and on]]…and there are those who follow them…and “who think” they are knowledgeable…it doesn’t mean they [[pseudo experts]] are knowledgeable…
Most children think Santa Clause is real. They believe that their parents are more knowledgeable, and believe they are being told the truth…the problem is further compounded by the fact, that other children have been told the same thing….hence their belief system is re-enforced by their peers.
Now what happens in a construct where one child is told
Santa Clause is not real [[or they are intelligent enough [[or have enough empirical knowledge]] to know it’s a load of crap…they know that there is no way anyone can go to all the chimneys…in all the world…they know intellectually it is not possible [[oh right but quantum mechanics states everything is possible....NO...idiots who watch "what the fuck do we know" and have no fucking clue that they can't apply quantum probabilistic equations to classical Newtonian objects]]…well…that child is ostracized…
Does that make Schefren a “bad guy”…Schefren is willing to promote a fraud…that speaks for itself…one has to ask…where would he draw the line….if someone who would endorse a fraud…
There is a quote that Andros likes to use [[out of context...and incorrectly attributes to Oprah]]..it’s appropriate in this context….
“The first time someone shows you who they are, believe them.” — Maya Angelou
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Pass the Sick Bag Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Actually @A Non, promoting Maria Andros totally makes Rich Schefren a bad guy.
It\’s a $1,997 product and he stands to make 50% affiliate commission on each sale. Anyone with integrity does due diligence on ANY product that they promote, let alone one that costs so much.
Doing even 30 seconds of due diligence (searching on \”Maria Andros scam\”) would have come up with this site and the mariaandros.ca site.
So we must conclude that either Rich Schefren doesn\’t have the integrity to do due diligence on the products he promotes or he knows the concerns about her marketing behaviors and carries on regardless.
Either way, that makes his reputation even more stained than Ted Molina\’s shirt.
(And what are the odds that he hasn\’t been through Andros\’s course fully so he can\’t properly recommend it in any case?)
Interestingly, if you put \’rich schefren\’ scam into Google, SD\’s Ragoza post comes up ninth in the rankings.
Ross Jeffries Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
@SIN-DICK-ATE,
How about convicted felon Kevin Trudeau? I have to believe he’s on Salty’s radar.
Salty?
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Get ready for the next round of nonsense. I just got bombarded from Amish Shah and Jay Style. I tried to unsusbscribe, and they had me signed up for like 5 different lists. Check this out:
1. Magic Bullet System
2. MasterMind MBS Users
3. Top 5K Sorted By
4. Ymulti Oct. 1
Here’s their e-mail (these guys shafted hundreds for over 3K for software that doesnt work …. and Mr. 15 minutes of fame himself Matt Harward was a keynote speaker at their main event):
Apologies for the length, I’m just posting for all to see how difficult it is to get this vermin off of you. And to show that Salty is right when he sez that they don’t just promote their own stuff. They push anything and everything, in this case Leslie Rhodes. Here it is…
Hey,
We all know about SEO and how you need backlinks right?
But have you ever wondered…WHY?
Well…
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Right?
Since early 2006, a small but growing group has been using an
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Find out more on our webinar:
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Some of these markets include plush toys, home electronics,
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guns, baby gifts and movie posters to name just a few.
This underground system was taught by a dude names Leslie Rohde. I’ve
met this guy personally about 3 times and he REALLY knows the deal
about SEO and getting good quality backlinks.
You see, the secret is getting tons of QUALITY links.
Leslie’s students used his methods and software to collectively
attract more than 4.25 million links to their websites in just 12
months.
Yes – 4.25 MILLION LINKS!
Leslie and his team have now combined the most successful systems
and procedures used by prior classes and created custom designed
software to make the techniques work even FASTER and EASIER.
Prior classes were STRICTLY limited to his close followers, but
Leslie is now making his methods and software available to the general
public for a very limited time.
Leslie and I have decided to do a webinar together to teach you a
couple of his strategies and techniques.
https://seo.infusionsoft.com/ go/shahwebinar/mbs/
In this 60 minute content-packed webinar, Leslie will disclose four of
the most effective strategies and explain them in enough detail, so
everyone can put them to use IMMEDIATELY.
Top 10 search positions in these competitive markets in many cases
create 6 and 7 figure businesses entirely from FREE search traffic
so I can not emphasize enough the value of this information.
~Amish
P.S. From Leslie’s 2009 class, 53 of his students agreed to disclose
their actual websites and their link building results so that
anyone can verify first hand the staggering success available using
these methods.
P.P.S – The software is an extensive customization of an enterprise
workflow management system that directly embeds Leslie’s unique methods
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tasks to their employees, outsourcers or to MTurkers. Pretty slick.
Register for the webinar today!
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NotSoHumble Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 5:20 am
“about 3 times” … what does he mean “about 3″ times? Is it really 2? or 4? I could understand if they’ve met like 30-40 times how he wouldn’t remember the exact number and say “about 30″ or “about 40″, but “about 3″? Is it perhaps 2.9 times? 3.5? 2.297 times?
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Perry Lawrence shows his true colors with his endorsement of Maria Andros.
He’s obviously a little bit conflicted about his recommendation because he doesn’t like her approach but, hey, you can’t let your principles get in the way of possible affiliate checks, can you Perry?
Apparently in the video, “Maria disses “some other video gurus” for being lazy and/or not caring about their audience”.
Oh Maria – pot, kettle, black!
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
I’m sitting here saturday night in front of my computer watching OSU spank Penn State. PSU looked good at first with a 3:1 passing game but OSU dominated the running game.
As the game was ending I began to get this gnawing feeling in my gut again. You see I have been asked to promote a video course by my friend Maria Andros aka “Video Marketing Queen”.
This new video has definitely got people talking…
https://xxxxxxx
Why the gnawing gut?
Now if you know me, as most of you do, you know I am all for some friendly marketing competition – as a matter of fact, I always say “there are no such things as competitors, only partners who haven’t seen the light yet”.
So my gut was churning because Maria disses “some other video gurus” for being lazy and/or not caring about their audience. (about the 11:30 mark)
I initially thought Maria crossed the line. But as I sit here typing I realize that Maria and I teach very different things and in very different ways. And, quite frankly, I’ll let you be the judge of the content. The production value is off the hook and the content takes a very different approach. But… it’s great content none the less.
Check it out:
https://xxxxx
Part of this video has Maria in a Martial Arts Dojo training. And that’s what it’s all about right? Working on your craft and learning from the best and implementing what you learn and testing what works best for you and your audience.
Don’t be Mr Magoo – Blind to the opportunities that are freely presented to you. Be Mr. Miyagi – work out your skills in the dojo and come out the victor.
This is just Part 1 of a whole series of video marketing tutorials that Maria is releasing over the next week or so. I always love to learn from others in the same space and Maria has been crushing it for a year now.
Check it out today. I’d LOVE to get your feedback on Maria’s approach and what you think.
Perry
P.S. It’s Wax on, Wax off time!
P.P.S Even if you’re not interested in the training right now, you will
want to check out this video as an example of a different approach to video marketing. Add it to your “swipe file” for sure!
WINNER!! ::
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Chip Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Great quote:
“This new video has definitely got people talking…”
Yes, it has. Right here, Perry Lawrence. Right here. Welcome to the spotlight.
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NotSoHumble Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 5:27 am
“Be Mr. Miyagi” .. Wait a second .. If I purchase this, am I supposed to teach Maria Andros? Why would I pay to teach someone? I wouldn’t teach Ms. Andros nothing even IF she paid me. I wouldn’t go near her, that bitch is fugly and I’ve heard fugly rubs off if you get too close.
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SE Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
@SaltyDroidisBroke,
You are stupid. You don’t even have to pay for a autoresponder – you can use your own autoresponder script. They are plenty of free autoresponder scripts that can be hosted on your server.
You can also create your own script if you know what you’re doing. Plenty of big companies use their own mailing systems on their own server.
And you can also download a pirated script for free that has all the features normally found in aweber/getresponse if you are that broke. (I don’t recommend downloading pirated scripts, you should pay for copyrighted scripts. )
Most of these IM gurus are fucking idiots who always preach 3rd party mailing list services to be the only real solution for a serious business. The biggest companies use their own mailing system. They don’t allow a 3rd party to have control over their business.
3rd party mailing lists isn’t they only solution.
What are you going to say next? Salty Droid is so broke that he can’t even afford hosting?
Did you know that you can turn a computer into your own server for free? (Provided that you have a internet connection) Many big companies use their own servers & don’t pay for a 3rd party server.
By the way – Debbie DeAngelo set-up her dating business by using her own computer as a hosting server when she first started selling her frauduct in 2001.
“Maybe you should get some part time work there so you can afford an autoresponder.”
Maybe you should get some part time schooling.
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Paul Murphy Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
@SaltyDroidisBroke,
Yawn…
Another Prick..
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Slowly Waking Reply:
November 14th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
@SaltyDroidisBroke, I wish I had some income too! Then I would be a valid person allowed to respond to one so flush with income as you. Until I validate my income like you validate my parking, my opinion of your flaccid trolling must remain obscure.
@SE, you can subscribe by RSS or Feedblitz up under the “Follow Along” thing under the big tag cloud up top.
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SD Reply:
November 17th, 2010 at 4:23 am
@SaltyDroidisBroke ::
Well if you saw a McDonalds or a Taco Bell … then you weren’t in my neighborhood. It’s too bad because if you hadn’t gotten lost … you could have seen a Bears game … or eaten a delicious breakfast at Yolk …
http://www.yolk-online.com/
You should try using Google Maps next time.
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Rich Schefren, Rich Schefren Scammer, Rich Schefren strategicprofits “the healer is as bad as the stealer” maybe worse, since he got the big list… Rich Schefren strategic {stealing} profits that is. Strategies To Help Maria Andros Stealing Money During This Recession
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All of the comments are great. I guess misery really does love company. I don’t care about this Androes (sp?) chick. Who is she? If she’s a bad guy write her up Salty!!
I want to keep after Raygoza and Molina. If we gat these two into court, it would be a great start toward cleaning up this mess of a business. I’m wondering how hard it is to reverse trace an E-mail or comment to its actual, physical address. Specifically, I want to go after anything and everything Raygoza & Molina. Starting with 15 Rounds. If I/we start writing–the truth– to the comment section on that site, as wellas the “staff writers” and advertisers, can it hurt?
It figures that these two would pick boxing as their sport. The most crooked, rigged sport on the planet. I hope people keep writing stuff and keep up the pressure. I also hope the mainstream media picks this up. All you folks with friends in high places>>>
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A Non Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 8:22 am
@R Joseph, Raygoza claims he sold 15Rounds some time ago for a tidy sum. I’d guess that they might still hang out there.
In the photo, they are at a Lakers game (basketball). They are big fans.
Why not send the press release out to all the media yourself? And add a link to this thread.
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With regard to the boiler rooms:
It seems to me that guys like Raygoza are like giant, vampire squids that exist to suck the life out of others. But without a host of minions to assist them, they can only suck so far.
Yes, Raygoza is a devourer who poses as a helper, perhaps the worst of deceptions. Someone who promises to fill your cup while he’s drinking all the water in your well and then pissing in the few drops he leaves over.
But the guys and gals who work the phone rooms and assist him in the theft, indeed make it possible on a vaster scale: what is up with them?
It seems that the people mentioned actually ENJOY devouring the life savings of the elderly, the easily fooled, and the gullible. For what? $5,000 a month? A week?
It seems they don’t just do it for greed and for the money: they ENJOY inflicting the deception, like it is their recreation or their sport of choice.
I’d almost prefer a mere sociopath greedhead who just wants the money and simply doesn’t care as opposed to those who ENJOY the con.
RJ
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Just to clarify, Raygoza and company are being sued under federal RICO statutes for civil racketeering. Anyone upstream from these defendants had better take notice, if the plaintiffs do not get back 100 cents on the dollar, you may be next. I don’t for one minute believe Raygoza is not part of some MLM himself. I will go all the way up the food chain if I have to get justice.
As Lord John Roxton said:
“There are times, young fellah, when every one of us must make a stand for human right and justice, or you never feel clean again.”
WINNER!! ::
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
@Dr. Levy,
Why not bring in law enforcement? The Attorneys General of the various states wherein the victims reside. The United States Postal Service(if ANYTHING took place through US mail). The United States Department Of Justice.
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Dr. Levy Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
@Ross Jeffries, that is one of the bases for the lawsuit, the defendants and their attorney lied to the various attorney generals. One of the exhibits in the lawsuit is a letter claiming that company and its records no longer exist to the California Attorney general.
10. The CE [criminal enterprise] and specifically Christopher Bosley have made intentionally false statement to frustrate investigations by the California Attorney General’s office and the offices of other state and federal regulatory agencies. Bosley and Weitz also made intentional misrepresentations to credit card companies that plaintiffs had entered into binding contracts and had received services for value; by omitting to mention the false promises of profits made to plaintiffs by the CE’s sales force, Raygoza, Molina, Denton, and Sipes.
46. ….When Plaintiff attempted to complain, he was brutally intimidated by RCE’s [Raygoza criminal enterprise] attorney Weitz who told him he had a contract and there was nothing he could do about it and the RCE attorney Weitz further misrepresented the situation to the Minnesota Attorney General as one ofa disgruntled customer who had received valuable services and trade secrets.
51….Plaintiff attempted to rescind but IncFortune through paralegal Christopher Bosley intentionally misrepresented the situation to both Capital One in June 2010 and the Minnesota Attorney General in March 2010 as a contractual dispute rather than the truth which was plaintiff had been scammed by Denton’s falsepromises of guaranteed returns….
86…Plaintiff attempted to get her money refunded but paralegal Bosley and attorney Weitz lied to the state attorney general and credit card companies that legitimate services had been provided to plaintiff. Most recently, the RCE’s attorney of record (Neufeld Law Group) threatened plaintiff with a lawsuit for defamation, slander, extortion and conspiracy if she continued to seek a refund….
109 109. Andrew Weitz was the in house or corporate attorney for the RCE in 2009-2010. Weitz was present during sales calls and attended seminars. Weitz had full knowledge of false
promises made by the RCE, their credit card manipulations,and intimidation of clients. Weitz assisted the CE by providing form adhesion contracts and instructing Raygoza to make sure
plaintiffs’ signed the contract or verifications. Weitz thenintentionally made hundreds of misrepresentations to the Better Business Bureau, state attorneys general, Federal Trade
Commission, banks and credit card companies, and other regulatory agencies that complaining parties including plaintiffs has actually received services and that the CE was in no wayresponsible for their misery and financial losses. Weitz traded on his status as a licensed California attorney to assist the CE in stripping the elderly, disabled, and unemployed of assets and placing them into debt. Weitz’s current registration with the California Bar lists him as
having Active Status and lists his address as “dreammarriage.com” 9701 Wilshire Bld. Beverly
Hills, California.
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Stoic Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
@Dr. Levy,
If I were a crim determined to ouwit the law and found myself an attorney willing to point out the pitfalls and devise ways around those pitfalls, I might consider that a dream marriage.
It would be a marriage made in hell for my victims, though.
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
@Dr. Levy,
Well, as you know, lying to a federal investigator is, itself, a FELONY, regardless of the underlying action.
That’s what got Martha Stewart time in the pokey; she lied to the investigators.
Either tell truth or assert your fifth amendment right.
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
@Dr. Levy,
I just read this in your lawsuit:
13.Defendants Raygoza, Sipes, and Denton also used streaming video and audio, YouTube, Skype, instant messaging, electronic mail, postal mail and seminars in Los Angeles, Malibu and Singapore to recruit and sell plaintiffs
By postal mail? NO ONE FUCKS WITH THE POSTAL INSPECTOR AND GETS OUT ALIVE. By all means, bring this to the attention of the Postmaster and watch these fucks get popped for mail fraud. That’s what put Gary Halbert in prison(whether he deserved it or not is another issue).
And if these fucks in any way implied they were from the IRS when they emailed their victims…oooh. The Service doesn’t take lightly to that kind of thing.
RJ
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Dr. Levy Reply:
November 15th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
@Ross Jeffries, yes indeed I do belive some plaintiffs have made complaints to the USPIS. They have also made bulk complaints to the FBI, state attorneys general, and numerous other alphabet agencies. However, I am not a big fan of the alphabet agencies, they really are hit or miss. Jerry Brown’s California Attorney General’s office are one lame bunch who apparently believe anything the perp says as opposed to the victim. The credit card companies are even worse and aided and abetted money laundering by allowing numbers of small suspicious transactions to go through. The vast number of attempted chargebacks should have killed Raygoza’s accounts years ago. I just busted Sipe’s Finity Consulting LLC doing the same thing.
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Raygoza loses his merchant account with Visa:
https://raygozascams.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/raygoza-loses-his-merchant-account-with%C2%A0visa/
Just waiting to see the headlines “RayGOONza and gang jailed”
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SD Reply:
November 17th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
@woah! ::
Thanks a lot Visa. Way to step in AFTER the scam implodes.
Useless!
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In the UK you can report scammers if they are selling so called partnerships or investments to the FSA, just don’t hold your breath, they are likely as lame as their US counterparts ind ealing with this plague:
http://www.fsa.gov.uk/Pages/consumerinformation/consumer_contact/index.shtml
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SD Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 3:25 am
@T-bag ::
I’m sorry you’re so upset. Something interrupting your revenue streams?
So sad.
We’re all very sad for you.
Why not just go into purse snatching? Or stripping?
You can do it! Chin up.
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Masha from Russia Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
@T-bag, Ooops! I hope you’re not going for brain surgery (which you need badly) to a PhD in Law . And by the way does orange look good on you because that’s what you may
be wearing soon.
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SD Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 3:53 am
@T-bag ::
I’m sorry that I can’t allow you to comment under different aliases :: and talk to yourself :: during your desperation propaganda session {no I’m not!}.
It’s rude of me {no it isn’t}.
So I’ll just call you T-bag. Do you mind if I call you T-bag? Good.
Anywayz :: please continue T-bag.
Hopefully you’ll motivate Dr. Levy to expand this suit … which I think is a super fantastic idea. Cause the reason you’re not settling is that money leaks out of your assholes like buttermilk … and now there’s almost nothing left for desperation time.
Oh wellz :: sleep tight fuckwads.
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422 Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 7:16 am
@SD, that’s the price he has to pay for being such a sick scammer – a big, FAT, obsessive-compulsive, uncontrollable, lethal SPENDING ADDICTION. Comes with the territory. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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A Non Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 5:28 am
@T-bag, (Shitbag)
Gee! You sound kinda familiar. I’d love to get your IP address from SD.
If you are who I think you are, you’d better piss off REAL fast.
Aren’t you the same guy who harrassed that woman who put up the original blog about this scam? You said she was a stripper and did “tricks”?
Aren’t YOU the one who warned her “Wait till I start fucking with your daughter” ?
When that IP was traced it turned out to be the very same IP that John Raygoza’s emails came from.
Just pull your head in buddy!
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Ann Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 9:39 am
@A Non,
Contact me – I’ll happily share the name given, email and IP address of the person who left the same comment as T-bag’s first comment here on http://onlinelowblowsandsuckerpunches.wordpress.com/
Unlike Salty’s, my blog is openly and unashamedly moderated (no criticism intended obviously – just a difference in direction).
Though T-bag (under a different name) has submitted the same crap to lowblows, it won’t show up there.
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SD Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
@Ann ::
Definitely nothing wrong with moderating your comments.
Here’s @T-bags IP … 66.90.109.18 … bite me asshole … I hope you go to jail {or BACK to jail … as the case may be}.
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Ann Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 9:22 am
@T-bag, (D-bag??)
Sounds like SD and anon “have your number” – enjoy yourself while you can :)
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Dr. Levy Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 9:29 am
FYI that was Dr. as in PhD in International Law from the University of Cincinnati and I’ve been an attorney since 1992. I began law school in 1987, there wasn’t any online then or WWW.
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SD Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
@Dr. Levy ::
… and another FYI :: I went to a top twenty law school … but I’m not a lawyer anymore so I don’t have to follow any stupid rules … unlike say Andrew Mark Weitz Esq … who DOES have to follow the stupid rules.
So anywayz between the two of us I’d say we’ve given the ghetto boys plenty of reason to think hard.
Think hard ghetto boys … think hard.
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Scammed Elder Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
@T-bag, Hi John, When a sewer rat is cornered and has nowhere else to go, he attacks.
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I already made at least one posting here, so will keep this one brief.
It should be realized that Raygoza’s racketeering is having an effect on e-commerce in particular and US commerce in general. Because I have found (to my horror) that US consumer protection is so primitive, and because the credit card authorities are so gullible, ignorant and feckless in regard to consumer protection, I can no longer afford to deal direct with the US again, unless I am dealing with a regulated merchant or with an arrangement endorsed by a recognized institution, such as the Better Business Bureau. I reject buying direct from the USA, otherwise. From now on, if I can’t deal with an agent in Australia, I don’t buy American. Hope the Governor of California reads this.
By the way, does anyone know how we can make contact with and of the large number of Pushtraffic victims living in Singapore? There is an army of furious victims out there.
Blame John Polluter Raygoza.
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SD Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
@scammed Aussie ::
This is a big set back for U.S. / Australian free trade.
And just a tip for ya … the Aussie government also sucks ass at protecting individual consumers from fast moving frauds.
Why not shelve your useless fucking nationalism and join the Internet age … where we hate all useless governments equally?
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scammed Aussie Reply:
November 20th, 2010 at 12:43 am
@SD,
nothing to do with nationalism.
What can a defrauded person do in the USA, other than undertake costly and risky litigation? (see all references this site)
The ICCC is a step forward, but I wish California provided a tribunal system like any Australian state.
Fyi, if I am unhappy when I buy from an Aussie merchant, I can summon him to a tribunal in my own city. If he fails to show, he forfeits the case. The cost of the consumer tribunal is actually quite modest and its outcome is binding. Does such a tribunal exist in California? In any shape or form? If I take your ‘why not…’ seriously, here is an answer:
To be blind to the weaknesses of unprotected e-commerce is stupid, but in any case, Pushtraffic did its damage to me using the telephone (it’s been around about 120 years), and the scammers put little in writing, if they can avoid it, so e-mail is hardly relevant. The internet has certainly opened up new opportunities for crime. Too bloody obviously.
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Dr. Levy Reply:
November 19th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
@scammed Aussie, plaintiffs in the lawsuit include one from Sarawak in Malayasia, the scammers also hit Australia, Canada, the UK, Saipan and Ireland and likely places we don’t know about yet.
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Listen Douche Bag John Raygoza:
You stole millions of dollars from everyone including mine.
You screwed everyone elderly, sickly, crippled, paralyzed, and disabled people that were not able to work and you
did not even have a driver. The only tool you used to
scam the innocent was a telephone pretending to be other top marketers
including the other SCUMBAG that you pretended to be when you called me John Denton and from people that really needed the money
for their families. That needed an income to
take care of their families not a pie in the sky
pipe dream that you are living high on the hog.
and if Mike Filsaime partnered up with trash like you that belong in
the burning pits of Hell. Whoa is Mike because he will lose everything
as you will once the court system gets a hold of a criminal like you.
No lawyer will protect you from the deep dark walls of jail.
They will give you a crown alright right up the butt hole as you deserve.
You and your conniving gurus.
Off to jail you go with handcuffs.
So Return all the money that you owe everyone. What’s the matter did you spend it or bury it and can not scam anyone anymore to try and pay the millions back?
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I feel so gullible!
When I was being sucked into this scam John Paul Raygoza told me that the credit card companies allowed him to go ABOVE my stated limit because knew and trusted him. They knew, for a fact, that if he was making the charges they were getting their money back.
He also assured me that he would have them lower my interest rate.
I do know that this man, of all people I have ever met, needs to be taken out of society, locked in a cell and then have the key hidden or lost.
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Taking advantage of old people….hmmm…thought this would be the perfect place for this….How many “Diane’s” are in the background that we do not see….flushing 2K at a time down the proverbial toilet, because she believes in the false claims and outright fraud. Raygoza did it on a grander scale…but don’t believe for a moment that this is any less insidious…
Maybe Diane isn’t real…maybe Diane is a shill post to reel in the elderly…either way….for the few that were claiming some are not as bad….there are no ethical divides between people willing to commit fraud….
Oh and bimbecile…it’s not 78 years old wise….drop the old you fucking half-wit…
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MJ Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm
@_cartman_,
Yes, either way, if it’s coming from Maria Andros, it’s inflated social proof or more fake testimonials. There’s a good chance, that she’s targeting the senior market with that little blurb. I’m not a believer in accidents when it comes to this type of marketing and launch coordination.
78 years old “wise” …lol… she’s always good for a hearty laugh.
Maybe with her Video Conversion million dollar launch she’ll finally have enough money to hire a tutor and get some spelling and grammar lessons.
Time will only tell, though…
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you talk about taking advantage of ‘older’ people as if the internet belongs to wets who just finished primary school.
It’s not about internet technology at all, but rather telemarketing. As my previous blog noted, the real damage can be done by a phone call, not by a website offering. Aside from the willingness of older people to politely trust what amounts to unsolicited marketing, these cynical, depraved, morally warped sociopaths, (such as John Polluta Raygoza,) and lack of regulatory protection, especially in the USA, should be the central focus of anger.
I was assured – several times- by my credit card agency that the merchant had to prove he has delivered the goods or else charge-back would occur. The agency never stood by its own words, and that makes me livid. Yes, I’m disillusioned. More than I can say. Yes, I’m willing to raise hell. I’m willing to write to any politician, anywhere, if it will clean up e-cmmerce. If you want a volunteer for sheriff, then count me in.
What forums do I join? What is a suitable web-site endorsement label for business ethics? The BBB? Whatever, let’s make it happen! Let’s have some ideas, not more useless, egotistical carping.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:29 pm
@scammed Aussie, yep – these guys barely even have a web presence – they do their scamming by phone.
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SD Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 2:38 am
T-bag ::
You know what’s funny?
The worst attorney in America {which @DrLevy most certainly isn’t} could easily win this case because your actions were all so flagrant and disgusting. And if anyone in government decided to give a shit about irrelevant little maggots … y’all could be convicted and rotting by Christmas.
My cousin Vinny could do it!
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A Non Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 4:12 am
@T-bag Raygoza et al,
The reason that Levy agreed to do this on a contingency basis is because YOU stole everyone’s money. Levy is an humanitarian and decided to help them regardless. He saw the harshness of what YOU had done and volunteered to bring you down. He’s a lawyer for all the right reasons.
He has worked tirelessly for victims of foul criminals (like you) from all parts of the world. You ought to be ashamed of your nasty, vituperative railing. Get a life!
Jonathan Levy is a member of International Criminal Bar – Barreau Penal in The Hague and has practiced extensively before the UN organizations, the African Union, international tribunals, and in the courts of several countries. Dr. Levy is an attorney, advocate, barrister and solicitor in leading jurisdictions and is a senior adjunct faculty member at a well know North American university and law school where he instructs graduate students in counter terrorism, anti money laundering, law and diplomacy. He is an attorney member of the District of Columbia and California Bars, United States Supreme Court Bar, US International Court of Trade Bar, Supreme Court of England & Wales and many others.
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422 Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 5:57 am
@T-bag, your behavior reveals your anxiety. Care for a xanax or 10?
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Masha from Russia Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
@T-bag, – why are you so jealous – what is you degree in – kleptomania?
And do not worry, you’ll soon have lots of time for education.
Maybe you can get your GED.???
By the way how big was that rock you bought for you new Brazilian wife?
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R Joseph Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
@T-bag, Hi John: Nice to know you know how to send E-mails. I mean I tried to contact you for over a year. Unfortunately, you were too busy to respond, even once. I’ll be brief—-I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!! Just like your employee, Rob Martino, promised, in writing. You never did one thing for me. You did not earn one cent of my money. I want it back. And, you know what, I’ll get in either coin or satisfaction.
Now, your personal attacks on my Attorney. Please note that I am Co-Counsel. I have been an attorney for over 23 years. I attended the University of Michigan (yeah I know their football team sucks, but that will cure itself). I also attended Michigan State University. You’ve heard of them, right!!! Now, I’ll be appearing at and participating in your deposition. You think airport scanners are bad!! I can’t wait. See, if no coin, then satisfaction. Now, please do not take this the wrong way. I do not want anything other than what was stolen. Of course, under RICO, I get $60,000. Plus costs, including attorney fees. I promise to donate everything over $20k , plus any costs and expenses.
Please don’t try to attack my credibility as an attorney. You can’t. I was on both Moot Court and Law Review. I graduated with honors (cum laude to all you latin fans). I have never lost a trial. Until I was paralyzed, I was the senior partner in a large firm, which I founded. Of course, you remember I’m paralyzed. That’s how your boy Rob suckered me in. That wasn’t your idea?? Well, its OK, I don’t think you’re that smart. Anyway, I’ll save that for your deposition.
I’m sure this stinks. I would hate to be on the receiving end of RICO charge, plus any criminal stuff that might come up. To make it easy on you, I’ll make it simple: GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK!!! In fact, you should GIVE EVERYONE THEIR MONEY BACK!!!
Then it will all go away. you really don’t want to meet me. Heck, you never even called or wrote. (I felt like a date after prom night :o)) You can write all day about my co-counsel. I’m very good. I’m also a party. I am back in a relatively good, healthy way. I’ll be there John. I’ll be gettin’ my money. Happy Thanksgiving everyone, even you John. I have you to be thankful for. God Bless us all. Richard Joseph, Esq.
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Scammed Elder Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
@T-bag, John, you really show your ignorance when you mouth off. You are digging a hole for yourself. I will be so pleased when you are shown up to be just what you are. Words cannot describe the disgust your victims feel for you
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Aussie victim Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
@T-bag,
Unless you re King Rat himself, you sound suspiciously like a supporter of JP Raygoza. If you are not one of that filth, then you express yourself badly, so lay it straight. Nobody of any worth anywhere has a good word to say for JP RAygoza. Plenty of low-life types -and worse – do.. Let it be known that all of Raygoza’s supporters have my heartfelt contempt.
If you are not a supporter of raygoza-rat, @T-bag, then what are YOU doing to clean up e-commerce? Specifically, what suggestion do YOU make to smash Raygoza?
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T-bag is grasping desperately at straws. He has no idea that Jonathan Levy has a doctorate, has tried approximately 1,200 cases, and has even tried such high profile cases as Holocaust/concentration camp survivors vs. the Vatican Bank. He is brilliant and is tenacious to winning cases for those he represents.
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Hey T-Bag (Also known as Raygoonza),
I hope your dentist reads this blog and is able to savor your misinformed ideas of what it takes to become a dentist. When he tells you to pucker up he won’t be talking about your mouth.
Maybe Andy and Mike, your ineffective lapdog attorneys, will do your dental work for you since they proved their lack of worth in their cases against me.
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Hey T-Bag (Also known as Raygoonza),
Johnathan Levy and Thomas Easton renew my faith in humanity. They are tenacious in there causes for justice for the “little” people. How stupid of you not to settle now, while you still could, without having to wear an orange jumpsuit.
Orange, though, is what you deserve and orange is what you and David Sipes will eventually get. I know you tried to bride these lawyers to drop the lawsuit – another stupid step in your downward spiral.
Unfortunately, orange will suit your skin color John Paul Raygoonza, David on the other hand will look terrible in orange.
Better start counting your days of freedom!
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Ann Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
@Anonymous, is this a “why me? Everyone else does it too!” response? How old are you – 10?
In case you haven’t noticed the lawyers in the Raygoza case, particularly Jon Levy, charge in to fight injustice and crimes against the people no matter who the perpetrator.
Instead of attempting to divert attention – join the fight.
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422 Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
@Anonymous, are you seriously asking that question??? ?? ?? My 6 year-old niece could answer it for you. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
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Hey T-Bag, you miserable low life.
You’re running scared…you should be. It’s only a matter of time now. I can already hear those jail keys jingling. You’ll look good behind bars, like a monkey in a zoo. Hey, maybe someone will throw you a banana now and then – you’ll be grateful for that as you won’t be in the business of acquiring anything else any longer – like peoples’ hard-earned money. Very possibly a banana might be the only possession you’ll own after the impoverished victims are justifiably compensated. Your days are numbered, T-Bag…get back in your tree and do your swinging now, cuz you’re about to be relocated to a whole ‘nother jungle…
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And here is why these people target old people for their scams
“Older adults aren’t as upset by possible financial losses as young people are, psychological research has shown, and Stanford University researchers found in a recent brain-imaging study that seniors’ brains don’t anticipate a loss as much as younger ones do. That might be leading them to make less rational—and therefore less profitable—choices. ”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=older-but-not-wiser&WT.mc_id=SA_CAT_MB_20101124
As Antoine Dodson may say
Hide your mom
hide your gran
cos they is scamming everyone out here
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422 Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
@Anonymouse, I think a big problem that needs to be addressed is the fact that so many of the elderly generation buy into the stigma of being too old to learn everything they need on their own in order to master technology, business, and so forth. Some think that this is all too complicated and they imagine endless rows of books that they’ll have to read and study before being able to do things like facebook or websites and have fun.
I’ve introduced three elderly people to computers and taught them enough to where now they can email regularly, chat on cam, visit facebook, upload their own basic website, and make purchases online. The hardest part was not the actual computer, but it was helping them to get a fresh new outlook and let go of the fear of it.
My advice to anyone willing to listen is if you have elderly persons in your family take the time to teach them the computer technology to the point where they can email, chat, ebay, facebook, twitter, and web surf /research with ease and comfort.
Maybe remind them that despite all of this new technology, there are some things in this world that never change, such as trusting their own gut instincts and plain old common sense.
Nothing worth having is going to come from nothing and there are much more important things than trying to get rich quick. “Not all that glitters is gold.”
Bottomline: If you feel your emotions being worked by a sales person and you’re being pressured to buy, then there’s something wrong. The priority of the sales person is to get you to buy, not your satisfaction.
Most of us already know this, but sometimes it helps to help the realize that their life experiences count much more than they think.
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Hi I’m Jason.
I was scammed by John Raygoza the low-life son-of-a-bitch!!!!!!
He ran me up for $95.40 for his hosting company!! Who do I contact!
I want this asshole in federal prison right next to Al Capone’s grave!
File RICO on his ass so he can spend time in a orange jumpsuit so it can match his skin color!!!!
Run John Raygoza, RUN! you think you are clever and smart because you took $95.40 from me??? Hhahahahah. I’m going to make sure you spend your life in prison for taking $95 bucks from me you hotshot!!
I hate hotshots! Fancy car muther-f’er! I seen all these pictures of you with expensive cars? Where are they now? Impounded by the FBI???
I’m no longer with your outfit! I signed up for Prepaid Legal and now I’m making $200 per month from it! If anyone wants to know how I do this, email me at jasonteller76@yahoo.com!
I’ll make you some extra dough, unlike that charleton John Raygoza! Clever son-of-a-bitch, wannabe hotshot will rot in Jail when Doctor Jonathan Levy is done with him. Jonathan Levy is a hotshot attorney, John Raygoza….so run for your life! He took down the Vatican!!
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I feel like punching John Raygoza. Everything I read on this page is what happened to me. He forced me to sign a contract and my credit card refused to do a charge back $2,118 because of the contract. so John Raygoza the criminal got away with my money. I had told the credit card company I cannot pay Push Traafic is run by a con artist and I am disabled and have no income. They refused to give me back my money or do a chargeback and the first time I fell behind in payments I got harrasing phone calls for 2 months to pay the bill or it will go into collections. John Raygoza ruined a lot of people the same as I was got bankrupted and for him to bad mouth a sweet wonderful attorney as John Levy PHD he will surely be shot down in court. Put that in your Devil pipe and smoke it scum douche bag Raygoza. You have hell to pay with all of your victims that you left for dead. You and all of your devil disciples. Bad faith and misfortunes await you in the ditch you dug for yourselves. I’m selling the shovles to try and make money for your graves to pay the credit card you defaulted me on.
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A Non Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
@Thomas Hauser, Crap!
I’ll wager that any comments on that blog in defense of Levy will be suppressed.
Just like the blog you guys put up to discredit that woman who fought against RayBOZO, this new blog is just a puny attempt to discredit an honest person who supports the victims of this disgusting crime.
Why don’t you all just admit defeat? You lied, cheated and stole money. Fact.
If you expect to win this case you are all mad. Putting up a defamatory blog is yet another reason why you are all losers.
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Masha from Russia Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
@Thomas Hauser, hey Tommy are you next in line? Looks like Raygoza is biting himself in the ass. Are you Raygoza’s little helper?
Check this out:
http://lawyers.law.cornell.edu/lawyer/dr-jonathan-harris-levy-166507
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How about a limerick fest! I’ll start.
There once was a sleaze called Raygoza,
a true criminal and a poser.
The perpetual scammer’s
now off to the slammer
So now we’ll all see who’s the “closer”.
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Anderson Jennings Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
@A Non,
The once was a phat phuck called Andy Jenkins
Pot Smoking Foul Mouthed internet “salesman”
He was part of the syndicate
they sold all sorts of shit
Some of them spent time in jail
and now the droid’s on their tail
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Dash Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
@Thomas Hauser, Fuck off, scammer lover.
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Dash Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
@Anonymous, You’re full of shit. You aren’t a victim, you’re part of the con. Jackass! That kind of b.s. only GUARANTEES victims are going to see this through until they get some hide.
WINNER!! ::
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Dash Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
@Thomas Hauser, Burn in hell, motherfucker. You’re a scammer-loving scumbag. Too bad you just added some fuel to the fire. It’s gonna be one hot winter, asshole!
WINNER!! ::
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SD Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
@T-bag ::
Wow. Keep on snorting whatever your snorting … it’s doing wonders for your personality.
Not even gonna look up any of this shit your talking about Levy cause it counts for jack. He’s licensed to practice … and you are going to lose … period.
Let’s say he’s a sleazy nut-job … well then cool … he’s like 65% of other lawyers. Must be nice to be in the majority. And almost all plaintiff’s cases are taken on contingency you fuckin reject … cause people who just had all of their money stolen can’t afford lawyers.
Your comments are blatantly anti-jewish … and I’ll never delete them … so congrats for that. Hopefully soon I’ll be able to attach your real name to all your delightful comments.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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422 Reply:
November 25th, 2010 at 8:53 am
@T-bag, this trial isn’t about blacks, Hispanics, or Obama. It’s about you cheating people, some of which are blacks and Hispanics themselves.
Hispanic communities, especially, place very big importance on family and caring for the elderly, so when the LA community finds out about how you cheated people’s mothers and grandmothers, they’ll no doubt be more than delighted to make an example out of you.
Sweet dreams,
422
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SD = Dash.
Hard at work, huh SD!
Good job!
Keep the hate alive!
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SD Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
@Not-SD ::
I don’t need sock puppets to tell people to fuck off.
fuck off!
see … so easy.
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422 Reply:
November 25th, 2010 at 8:44 am
@T-bag, thanks for all of the research you’ve done and all the links you’ve provided. I had no idea that Dr. Levy was such a humanitarian and you’ve only solidified the impression in my mind that he and the other attorney, Richard Joseph are doing good things, not just in the law suit against Raygoza, but for mankind in general.
Keep up the good work mate.
422
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Barry Reply:
November 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
@T-bag, After reading your obsessed comments, I have come to the conclusion that Dr. Levy is truly doing a great thing. Most attorneys go for guaranteed income, whereas Dr. Levy is not. That’s a genuine sacrifice on his part, and it’s incredibly admirable. Despite your obvious bad intentions T-Bag, you’ve only helped the cause.
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Vern Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 4:20 am
@T-bag, Why does what “the professionals” think matter? As SD says, J Levy is licensed to practise law and will be bringing a case against you.
Regardless of color, “people” know a sleazy, self-righteous thief when they see it. Contracts don’t justify your trail of scorched earth.
Bubba … you’re going down.
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What’s you’re quals T-bag? Reads like UR a straw grasper. I sense UR playin’ in the sandbox! Let’s thank the universe for punters like Dr. Levy who have a concience! A low life ignoramous such as yourself would know jack about what goes down behind the Vatican’s closed doors!
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T-bag, sorry to disappoint you, I am not a client of Dr. Levy. Only an idiot mistakes the lawyer for the client – Levy is representing people (not himself) suing the Vatican and was defense counsel for the lawyer suing Obama. Likewise it is your own former victims who are suing you, Levy is their attorney with two others. Looks like your brain surgery went wrong and you are suffering from diarrhea from your mouth.
“Truly yours”,
Masha Rasputina
PS A little bird told me 95% of the lawyers in LA are Jewish and bald, so good luck in Court John Paul III.
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422 Reply:
November 25th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
@Masha from Russia, Masha you rock!
422
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@ T-bag.
It’s time you had a bit of education. (Firstly. I don’t believe in any religion because throughout history it has been the cause of conflict, corruption and deaths.)
I’ve read the case against the Vatican (Bank). The Vatican claims immunity from lawsuits because they are a “sovereign state” (ie. a separate country) and you can’t get in there to run a trial because THEY WON’T LET YOU!
Who knows what goes on behind those walls?
In brief, the Nazis looted cash, securities, silver, gold, jewelry, business assets, art masterpieces, equipment, collectibles, religious items, livestock, and intellectual property etc. from Holocaust victims during WW11.
At the end of the war, 10 trucks of the loot (valued at that time at around 50 million dollars) were driven into the Vatican. (The officers and trucks were disguised as British. Before reaching the Vatican, the British disguises were removed and the plates were changed to Vatican licence plates). The treasure was (illegally) certified as Roman Catholic property and therefore retained by the Vatican Bank.
Despite tons of evidence, the Vatican insists it is immune from lawsuits.
(Incidentally, in his 1996 autobiography “Salt of the Earth”, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) revealed that he was a member of Hitler Youth when he was 14 years old. Hitler was a Catholic.)
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city Reply:
November 26th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
@A Non, beautiful, all said
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@ T-bag.
Further to my previous post about the Vatican being a sovereign state.
Washington DC is also a sovereign state. Obama lives there, so perhaps that’s why he can’t be sued either! (Just a guess)
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let’s use the KISS method
Mr Ragoza and his team are simply lies, and stupid
Over their way to steal money, they could use a bullet to the head
The rest of us need a beer, coffee, wine or tea
they will face God one day ;)
he’ll handle with em like every other bad person….. the thing they don’t realize is the word eternity………….. wonder wonder wonder……….
sad thing is have a huge brother that would love to go and take him out :)
nuff said
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T-bag (or is it Ted Molina?)
You said:
“I’m not saying you can’t win, but hire a better attorney otherwise you won’t win the case.
*Jury is made up of 12 people
*In Los Angeles you’re dealing with an area where the majority is the “minorities”. Blacks and Hispanics.
*When it leaks that Levy is a Birther and denounces the Vatican, do you really think they are going to support a bald-headed, Jewish conspiracy theorist?
Hard facts are hard to swallow. Good night yall!”
Well guess what? Juries don’t care about skin color. They care about the economy being the way that it is. How big banks have stolen money from millions, how corporations have stolen money from the people and how white-collar crime is on the rise.
So guess what Push Traffic and all other Raygoza businesses are? A front for white-collar crime. So in other words, you took advantage of people from all over the world in the worst time possible… Signed contracts or no contracts, what was done was illegal and immoral. You really think a signed contract will keep your asses from going to the slammer?
The Raygoza gang is one of the worst examples of what being human is all about. Scamming others to indulge yourself in irrelevant things. Like expensive cars, cocaine and hookers. (yea I know the secrets, I worked for you guys for 2 days on 2009 before quitting do to Molina’s ethics). Ted Molina is just as much as a sociopath as his half brother John Raygoza. In my two days, I trained under Molina and found out that he has the intelligence of a high school dropout.
Keep scamming people guys. Karma is a bitch.
-A.T.
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Ann Reply:
November 26th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
@woah!, You nailed it in my opinion! Molina is the jerk who tried me on after I realized he and JR had scammed me and canceled. He even looks like a thug. Is he “as much a sociopath as his brother” or worse!?
Whoever did their payment processing had a good thing going – no way they didn’t figure out what Push Traffic was doing, which definitely makes the Raygoza/Molina brothers “a front for white collar crime”.
You have my thanks for your comments here – would love to have you “guest” a post on http://onlinelowblowsandsuckerpunches.wordpress.com/ Will you think about it?
Ann
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I’m really sorry guys, for creating a lot of sock puppets and posting here trying to bully people. It’s usually when I’m high on coke that I do that. My apologies again. If I stay sober long enough I might grow a conscience and realize all the wrong I’ve done. Or I can rot in hell. Who knows…I’m almost out of coke, so there is hope.
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I am written about in the beginning of this page. I am disabled due to severe neck problems and was swindled by JP Raygoza. The man is a chronic liar, did or still does use boiler room tactics. He first had me contacted by Rob Arturo (spelling?), I was called night and day by JP Raygoza himself and promised that he would pay my credit card bills from his office and promised I would receive a check for $5000.00 within two weeks. I was told it was a joint venture with him personally, that if I didn’t make money he wouldn’t make money (which he would not let happen). Next thing I know I am given a coach, which changed to webinars, which were hard to ever get into because they would not inform me in time for the webinar. I got all this and no customer service for $18,000.00. The low life deserves to be put in jail (and hopefully be no influence on his daughter). I may be able to forgive him some day but I don’t know that he has any morals, or regrets for what he has done. I pray I have the strength to stop hating him and eventually have pity for his soul.
Deb Proffer
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what?? Reply:
December 8th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
@Deb Proffer, Your story is heartbreaking. I truly hope that John Raygoza gets exactly what he deserves….and soon.
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SD Reply:
December 8th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
@Deb Proffer ::
Thanks for the comment Deb … that’s pretty incredible stuff.
I wouldn’t waste too much mental energy trying to forgive this piece of garbage. It’s a good plan to let go of hate and rage :: for the sake of yourself. But he’s not deserving of your forgiveness or pity. His behaviors are sub-human … and he deserves NOTHING but scorn and punishment.
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What comes across from many of the comments is that, while Raygoza and his pals are definitely the main villains, almost as bad are the credit card companies who are facilitating Raygoza and co’s crimes by not allowing chargebacks, even when there is clear evidence of criminal behavior.
And because these companies get a commission from all transactions, they are actually benefitting from the illegal actions of Raygoza and co.
Their unwillingness to get to grips with this issue is in stark contrast to the speed Visa and Mastercard have moved (with encouragement from the US goverment) to shut down the ability of Wikileaks to take any donations – http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/09/world/09wiki.html?hp
It’s clear that the suffering of people scammed by Raygoza is of no importance to the credit card companies.
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I already commented.
I am about to take the behaviour of Visa to a high political level. We’ll see waht happens.
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He got me for 30K+ too.
When I got nothing in return, I canceled the payment and of course he threatened to sue.
After meeting him,he was a real jerk. Now they’ve pulled the plug on his Jump Launch hosting and now I’ve lost it all.
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Proposed class action lawsuit against Raygoza and his companies has been lodged with the United States District Court in Los Angeles:
“Enemy of those who make him an enemy, friend of those who have no friend.”
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Vern Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 4:30 am
@Boston Blackie, Thank you for posting this Blackie.
Let the games begin.
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aussie victim Reply:
September 24th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@Boston Blackie,
On behalf of all victims, it is my privilege at this belated stage, to make this post.
It is common knowledge to the plaintiffs, but so that the casually interested may know, Raygoza failed to show up to contest the suit, and was thus in default. So Raygoza forfeits the case. [September, 2011.]
It has taken time: 2 years and 4 months in my case, longer for others, and squeezing money out of the racketeer still looks hard, but at least, our grievances made it to Court and we have the decision we were looking for.
WINNER!! ::
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Court documents obtained today were filed by John Paul Raygoza’s UNPAID lawyers. The PDF documents may be accessed at http://www.pushtrafficswindle.com
Raygoza’s lawyers are withdrawing because he hasn’t paid them, and they are unable to communicate with him adequately to build his defence.
Funny how the complaint almost mirrors the reasons he’s being sued in the first place – no payments of amounts owed, (nice way of saying refusal to return fraudulently obtained funds), and refusal to communicate.
Is this a stalling tactic, or just the sociopathic “god complex” again – Raygoza giving the rest of the world the finger.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
May 3rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
@Ann, maybe Ragooza was arrested for Torture. Interesting crime report from the “last known address…”
http://www.localcrimenews.com/lookup.php?jid=5954399
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Ann Reply:
May 4th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@Unicorn Army, Interesting :) If you check out google earth, looks like a commercial building
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Unicorn Army Reply:
May 4th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
@Ann, condos – “Ph” is the penthouse unit.
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Ann Reply:
May 5th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
@Unicorn Army, tks – would love to know more about that report!
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I think the little creep in LA let his true colors show, and has been arrested!! Hopefully he didn’t hurt anyone in the process.
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SD Reply:
January 14th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@Terri Haskie ::
I just had a nice little 30 min convo with “Luke Daniels” about the pluses and minuses of lying to The Salty Droid … hopefully he spends the weekend thinking about how hard he just fucked up … and gives me an answer that doesn’t sound like a shit taking a shit.
Either that or SD vs. FIAD is coming up with alacrity.
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Jack Reply:
January 14th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
@SD, I know proper form is for me to add SD vs. FIAD to my list of demands for you to write about, but I wanted to get my vote in early if some day a softer, kinder fake-robot says for us that we ever get to vote on these things.
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Jack Reply:
January 14th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
@Terri Haskie,
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Jack Reply:
January 14th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
@Terri Haskie, Does the “25 years of combined experience” mean about the new scam-recovery-recruiting posters coming through the door every day from the company going on it’s 4th month in fake-bizness?
I want to find out more about who mr. Michael Cooper is there, because the name is sounding familiar to my ears.
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Jack Reply:
January 14th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
@Terri Haskie, btw, mr. FiadCardServices.com, probably you should go grab the registered trademark you claim you’ve registered on your site but which can’t seem to be found in USPTO as registered really at all.
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Jack Reply:
January 14th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
@Terri Haskie, I have the alternative to the FiadCardservics Unicorn-scam recovery system which will be fun for people to go about posting by the shilling fiad-posts all about the net…which is…
…victims can go ahead and go direct to the court appointed receiver and go get their own remission form to get their money at:
http://www.robbevans.com/html/contact.html
see info here about
http://www.robbevans.com/html/ivycapital.html
Tada!
Also I waive my fee for posting that link up there and also for posting this link about his handling receivership for iworks, which somebody once told us about here at SD site.
Btw. I’ve decided to go ahead and waive my contingency fee for posting the link.
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Jack Reply:
January 14th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
@Jack, For context of above, FIAD sets up their recovery services right 2 weeks past 8/17/2011 date receiver gets auth-to-start-liquidation…
then starts posting about after 9/2/2011 corp date things like:
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SD Reply:
January 14th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
@Jack ::
An almost identical version of Terri’s comment from elsewhere on the web today …
http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/business-recovery-services-l7901.html
When I asked “Luke” who his mommy was … he said Michael Cooper.
Mr. Cooper was recently DBA “BCA Recovery LLC” … here’s their BBB F rating …
http://www.bbb.org/south-east-florida/business-reviews/financial-services/bca-recovery-in-margate-fl-90041071
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Jack Reply:
January 15th, 2012 at 3:36 am
@SD, Apparently they will not let facts tand in their way:
http://bit.ly/wUWsjj
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Walter Reply:
January 15th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
@Jack, Wow, Looks like the guy is trolling for serious loot. Getting people to pay IN ADVANCE half of what “is recovered?” On their credit cards?? What a racket.
I take it that this “i got my money back” is another Raygoza scam????? He has a million dollar plus judgment against him. Time to be humble, a bit!!!!
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Unlicensed practice of law by Cooper et al or illegal running and capping for some shyster, report him to:
Florida Unlicensed Practice of Law
Lori Holcomb
lholcomb@flabar.org
Jeffrey Picker
jpicker@flabar.org
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