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Kann said:
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You mad?
LOSER!! ::   -12
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Guess again Reply:
September 9th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
@Kann: No, “con,” you’re mad. As in certifiable. Dumb pro-scammer comment as usual, btw. LOL.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +3
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Kann Reply:
September 10th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
@Guess again,
Ah, I see.
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# 9 September 2010 at 9:18 pm

Dean Rankin said:
Niche is, as niche does. Franko works for those who don’t. Frank fakes, cause fakes do..
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# 9 September 2010 at 9:53 pm

Irwin said:
“Target people with low self-esteem … take their money … make them feel even worse about themselves.”
Sounds like my ex-girlfriend. She use to wash though.
WINNER!! ::   +14
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GasparSavant Reply:
April 1st, 2011 at 6:47 am
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# 9 September 2010 at 10:08 pm

Luke said:
What’s funny is watching people praise Kern when he pushes the latest affiliate product without so much as even trying. It’s like a mail that basically says “buy this or you suck”. Then everyone goes, “he doesn’t even try to add bonuses or anything, he’s so straight forward!”
Ya, you’ve been “mass controlled”.
But wait, all Kern’s sites say he’s “retired” so why am I still seeing him all over?
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Little Birdy Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
@Luke,
Retired? Didn’t you see his “last” seminar? It “fell” off a truck and I managed to see it.
Frankie may be hooking up with Jordan Belfort, the “Wolf of Wall Street”. The former stock market scammer / pump and dump king that the movie “Boiler Room” was based on.
Frankie is moving onto “bigger and better” things than Internet Marketing…
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# 10 September 2010 at 4:31 am

A Peak behind the Curtin said:
one of fat o’bryan’s “unseminate” “experts” recently told the truth about her online business “success”. props to her for at least sounding like shes being honest, which is more than the dicks-with-dicks can say.
http://www.erica.biz/2010/the-failure-manifesto/
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Richard Reply:
September 10th, 2010 at 8:34 am
@A Peak behind the Curtin, like you said, kudos to the girl for having the balls to stand up and say, “this sucks!”
In fact, I’d say she has more balls than the rest of the Syndicat put together.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 10th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
@A Peak behind the Curtin, @Richard, I too have the sense that she is trying to be honest, and that’s why Erica is the one of the very few online marketers whose work I regularly read. I bet she received more responses to that one post than she has to any of her others. I see you joined in the fray too, SD.
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What? Reply:
September 10th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
@A Peak behind the Curtin,
Are you serious?
Compassion for an info-marketer who is crying because they aren’t happy with their business?
This is like reading a crappy Dostoevsky novel, where a bunch of people are running around murdering people and crying about it.
Add some real value to the world.
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Inbreeding should be illegal in GA Reply:
September 10th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
@What?, Amen. I went to read her blog and kept thinking “and? so what?” The post doesn’t add up, because she’s whining about only getting $5k a month, which goes to her employees, but she claims she made over a million dollars on her bio on the side, and she’s still trying to sell another product in the same breath. Lame, cheesy, FAIL!
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_cartman_ Reply:
September 10th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
@Inbreeding should be illegal in GA,
hmmm….
The business (Simpli Hosting Inc) was incorporated Feb 15, 2005 (in California) and Erica still remains the agent for service of process of the business (highly unusual if the corporation changed hands).
Her “years” do NOT jive, and there is no record of any corporate entities with the name Simpli Inc., except in Indiana.
Her ?father??uncle? (Michael A. Douglass) is a partner in a law firm that IS registered agent for the company in Indiana and Erica E Douglass is principal…the company (Simpli Inc. of indiana) was administratively dissolved June 2008…and she is still the principal.
Searching archive.org would indicate the dates listed on simplyhosting.com are off, and don’t match corporate records (and no indication of an entity by the name of “Shaka Design” exist in either state.
At first glance, it appears the “history” (both) were created to prove something, that something appears abundantly clear considering her posts that follow and precede that post (including the post of “the secret” check and visualization crap).
PS- maybe what she is stating is 100% true, however, people don’t usually start with fabrications and end with the truth…so I remain skeptical.
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Erica Douglass Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
@_cartman_,
Hi! I’m Erica, the person in question here.
My father originally incorporated my business as Simpli, Inc. in Indiana. Due to me living in California, I consulted an attorney in 2005 and re-incorporated in California. I moved all assets to the CA business and dissolved the Indiana corporation.
The sale (9/7/2007) was an asset sale, and I owner financed $999,000 of the $1.1 million. The new owner is paying monthly over a period of years and is not done paying. The sale documents say I MUST retain the California corporation until the new owner is done paying. Once he’s done paying, the corporation will be dissolved.
-Erica
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_cartman_ Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 2:38 am
@Erica Douglass,
Hi Erica, I’m _cartman_, the person who questions here.
First; The incorporation in Indiana shows Status of “administrative dissolution” (June 20, 2008), which indicates the state dissolved the company (usually that happens because annual returns are not filed). It does not appear to be a voluntary dissolution as you are claiming, but that is really a moot point.
we changed our name to Simpli in 2001)
Since the first “incarnation” of Simpli was in Indiana on September 23, 2002, my guess is you are referring to the simpli.biz which you registered in 2001….that’s curious…Regardless…
You were interviewed on a “net” radio show and you stated…
when I sold the business, in September 2007, we had over 400 servers serving several hundred clients, and we were doing just under $1 million a year in revenue.
http://www.thebusinessmakers.com/episodes/shows/2009/march09/episode-197/flashback-197.html
your website said….
We now own over 200 web servers -Archived Sept 19, 2007
http://web.archive.org/web/20070919142816/www.simpli.biz/about_us.php
you wrote on your site….
My company had just 170 customers when we were acquired,
http://www.erica.biz/2008/how-i-turned-my-mediocre-website-into-a-million-dollar-business/
So again, I remain skeptical…maybe you embellish to sell your $495/hr consulting fee…
hmmmm…. “imagine generating leads and sales effortlessly”….really….who knew…
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Anonymous Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 7:53 am
@Erica Douglass, anything you say on your website and here is still going to be taken with a grain of salt, or maybe a TON of salt shall I say, because in the end you’re still trying to sell people on something. I don’t believe a word coming out of Ms Douglass’ keyboard. She is quite “creative” with the so called truth. If she were sincere and genuine, she’d stop trying to sell herself as a business expert, when clearly she has FAILED at generating a substantial income for herself. She could have flipped burgers and had more to show for it.
You could pay some kids running a lemonade stand for more sound business advice than someone like this.
The line between victim and scammer becomes blurred, when you have someone who obviously was scammed continuing down the path of scamming themselves.
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Erica Douglass Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 11:12 am
@_cartman_,
Most of the time, when people think of “web hosting”, they think of the $10/month or less accounts that popular hosting companies like GoDaddy and HostGator sell. Therefore, it can seem weird when a hosting company owner says she had so few customers and was making so much revenue.
I ran a dedicated server and colocation hosting company. We had 160 customers paying us an average of $425/month. Our largest customer was paying us over $12,000/month when my company was acquired.
Some of those customers had multiple servers, so we did have over 400 servers. (Our About Us page was out of date at that point.)
-Erica
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Oldtimer Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 1:27 am
Not sure I could jump to any conclusion on this.
She publicly stated the sales price, and identified the (prominent) buyer. Seems an unlikely exaggeration given that. She clearly sold her business with terms, and perhaps she didn’t set aside enough for the initial tax obligation, hence the financial strain she mentioned.
Also, as far as the corporation goes, it could have sold off those business assets without dissolution or takeover, which might explain the loose ends there. Lastly, maybe there was/were different earlier name(s) for her startup (not uncommon in that industry) and she just went with an abbreviated explanation for simplicity.
Just speculating of course, as we all are.
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Inbreeding should be illegal in GA Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 7:03 am
@Oldtimer, that’s the problem, the woman’s had a history of “creativity” and appears to have a different slant on what the truth consists of.
who’s to say she has stopped? She’s stated herself she’s made less than minimum wage in this business. She could have worked at McDonald’s and made more money than with the crap Pat O’bryan spouts. Thing about Pat is though, he probably can’t handle his finances, so he’s probably gotta keep scamming to support his compulsive spending…probablematically. Speaking of problems, and probability of problems, Erica is not the only one who probably hasn’t paid up on their taxes correctly. Isn’t that right Pat sweet cheeks …oops
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
It looks as if I’m on the fast track to having my comment about Erica Douglass voted “loser,” for simply stating my opinion that I got a sense she was attempting to be honest, and adding that I regularly read her writing.
As may be obvious, I haven’t done any research on the veracity of her millionaire story. This is because that never interested me nearly as much as her descriptions of the ins and outs of activities such as trying to blog for money. I applaud Cartman et al. for doing the research about her companies. If Erica has indeed been dishonest in telling her success story she’s going to have to own up to it sooner or later. But I do think she is attempting to be honest about her failures, and with that alone she is providing, in my opinion, more useful information about the tangled and mostly deceptive world of Internet marketing than we’ll ever get from the Syndicate members. She seems honest about the fact that she’s learning as she goes along. (And who knows, she also may very well be headed in the direction of heeding Salty’s advice to her.)
You may ask why we need her perspective when Salty and other critics have done such an excellent job of exposing the negative side of IM, and then some. I think the fact that she is still actively trying to make a go of IM and is running into so many roadblocks makes her perspective valuable indeed. It would certainly seem to validate the prevailing point of view on this blog.
(And, playing devil’s advocate here for a moment: If she did actually become as successful as she hoped, and she did it without getting involved in frauducts and flopportunities, would I (or we) be able to see or acknowledge this? Okay, I KNOW this is going to get me some negative votes.)
Some might say that the hypothetical question I asked above is moot because Erica is in an industry in which it is virtually impossible to become truly “successful” — that is, to earn really good money — without being a scammer. They might also argue that she is a party to the deception as long as she continues in the business and especially as long as she continues to be even marginally associated with people such as Pat O’Bryan. That may very well be true, but for now, I’m willing to cut the girl some slack. Call me softhearted or soft-headed, but I do get the sense that she is trying very hard to provide value to her readers and subscribers. (And no, I’m not an affiliate or associate in any way.) I am following her story, though.
WINNER!! ::   +12
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SD Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
@Cosmic Connie ::
Good points. I hope that your comment doesn’t get voted to loserdom. I just offered my resistance vote.
You walk into an E.R. :: you have some medical training. There aren’t any doctors cause they all moved to Estonia in this story. There’s been a big knife fight … jets and sharks. Kids are bleeding all over … jazz snaps.
Walk around to each one of them :: kick um in the nuts! “Don’t join a gang you useless criminal asshole! Fuck you.” Now a powerpoint presentation :: Why Knife Fights Are Dangerous. “Eyes up front dickheads! Quit coughing up blood.”
No! Most of them aren’t criminals. They are victims of circumstances … and psychopathic gang leadership. They are so far inside that a real choice isn’t possible. My fake doctor always goes for bandages first. “Head up fuck face. Don’t die!”
On the other hand :: if you see one of “them” … the psychopathic leaders who deal in lives like checker pieces {chess too complicated} … and he’s bleeding from the leg … or from the sandy vagina/uterus … then be all like “hey everyone look over there … it’s Mrs. Butterworth” … then shoot your secret titanium cat claws right though his neck. “Time of death … just now … I don’t know … I don’t wear a watch.”
Who’s who out here? So hard to tell. The more people offering up their genuine opinions about it the better right?
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Unicorn Army Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
This is a place where everything is assumed to be a lie, unless it’s negative about Internet marketers, in which case it is assumed to be true.
Her “sold the business” story is true, and it’s not a “millionaire story” – it’s a story of working like crazy and selling out for barely enough to pay off the debts. Seems pretty lame that she touts it as a success story up front, but she does actually tell the story with all the warts exposed.
It’s not hard to make a living in that business without scamming and deception, but to do that you need to have facts that justify wha t you say and sell. Her information products look like they are based on actual things she has actually done.
Why she’s a big fan of Pat O and Steve Pavlina and … who knows. But most of their customers don’t dig into them to discover ther general shittiness, and a lot of people In this world do believe that kind of “motivational” junk is helping them. Who are we to argue with them about their own state of mind?
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Inbreeding should be illegal in GA Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 9:47 am
@Unicorn Army, agreed, everyone has the right to their own state of mind. Having said that, these people with their own state of mind, who attribute a radical change of life to “feel good” motivational stuff need to be honest. Don’t say you made $30,000 in 30 days because of one single kit. Even if you did make that much, you’re leaving out years and years of life experience that brought you to the point of taking the course.
Further, most of the business, self-help and “spiritual” stuff that is being sold can be found for free on the Internet. If you actually take the time to read and meditate on what it says, almost all of it tells you to go within yourself for the answers. Why are people still paying 10k to be told to go within and then in the same breath be told you need the next level course?
“How to become an expert in 30 days” – google that and read the free articles. That will tell you exactly what these “gurus” do. All they do is go through free online portals to read up on a specific area, study free tutorials that come with software or youtube.com, and then they package it up to sell to you for insane amounts of cash. And some of them like Ryan Deiss don’t even read on it, they just make up shit and then sell it to you.
In the IM community anybody can become an expert within 30 days and even overnight!
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 11:08 am
@Inbreeding should be illegal in GA wrote, “Don’t say you made $30,000 in 30 days because of one single kit. Even if you did make that much, you’re leaving out years and years of life experience that brought you to the point of taking the course.”
Exactly. If it were purely the course that did it, then everyone who took it — and followed the advice — would have similar success stories. But that is not the case. Whether we’re talking about success stories or tales of failure, there are always other factors involved besides the course or product.
Even as there’s no such thing as a free lunch, there’s probably no such thing as a true overnight success. Virtually all of the truly successful New-Wage hustledorks and motivational/McSpirituality “rock stars” that I am aware of spent years or even decades experimenting, going within and without, taking drugs, going to therapists, attending every seminar and buying every product they could, borrowing ideas from dead masters and living hucksters, and relentlessly marketing one shtick after another till they finally hit on something that worked for them. (I know it’s been said before in many ways, but “The Secret” really was a boon for more than one h-dork.)
When pressed, most hucksters are pretty honest about the fact that they weren’t an overnight sensation, but there the honesty usually ends. The first level of their scam is that they attribute the lion’s share of their success to whatever frauduct or flopportunity they happen to be promoting at the moment, whether it’s their own or a buddy’s or affiliate’s scheme. (If it’s something “newly discovered,” they sometimes get around that by claiming that they had really been utilizing the principles whether they consciously realized it or not, but this new product makes it easy for everyone to enjoy similar success.) Of course this means that the “real” secret to their success changes from week to week — a transparent ploy to be sure, but apparently effective, or they wouldn’t keep using it.
The second and more insidious level of the scam is that they generally market what they’re promoting as being a shortcut of some type so you don’t have to go through the years of struggle and expense that they did. “I’ve consolidated all of this priceless knowledge into one easy-to-use package…” and so on. People are suckers for shortcuts, and it seems they never learn.
But as @SD noted, the more people we have offering up genuine opinions, the better. I think more folks are getting wiser to the scams, though this growing sophistication of the masses will probably just breed a better scammer. In fact I am willing to bet that the scammers read some of our comments on forums like this, and they work some of the critics’ complaints into more ostensibly honest sales copy and disclaimers. (Disarm ‘em with fake frankness right up front and they’ll learn to trust you!)
It may eventually get to the point that hucksters actually say in their disclaimers that you should not expect any results from their product, or even that the product doesn’t really work and may even harm or kill you… Oh. Wait. They’re way ahead of me on that.
I guess we will always have to keep our eyes open.
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Inbreeding should be illegal in GA Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 9:33 am
@Cosmic Connie, you have a good point, and like it’s already been said before a dozen times, we just don’t know for sure. There are so many talented actors and actresses within the IM community, that it can end up giving some people a dizzying headache trying to figure out who to trust.
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# 10 September 2010 at 7:24 am

Bohica said:
classic NLP pattern…
“not to say you all have low self-esteem…
(dramatic pause)
…although ever single person in the world does.”
therefore mother fuckers in the audience… YOU ALL HAVE LOW SELF ESTEEM!
now buy my shit!
(i’d be interested to hear what Ross Jeffries has to say about that. RJ?)
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mikefilsaimeinder Reply:
September 10th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
@Bohica, frank kern nlp trick
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Duff Reply:
September 10th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
@Bohica,
A person doesn’t need NLP to be an ass, just the right mindset.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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jade e Reply:
September 10th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
@Bohica, Sounds like sitting in a Schirmer seminar.
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# 10 September 2010 at 9:27 am

Bryan Neuman said:
I’ve heard of backstabbing, but this seems more like facestabbing. If he had only one tenth of a human soul or conscious…
WINNER!! ::   +15
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Inbreeding should be illegal in GA Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 7:18 am
@Bryan Neuman, these people don’t care about having a soul, heart, compassion, or love in their life. They sit and laugh at those ideas and call them cheesy or lame. What’s really important is all the dollars you can make and the big houses, cars and vacations you can brag about. They believe that money can buy happiness.
But you don’t use people’s low self-esteem to make your money if life is all peachy for you.
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# 10 September 2010 at 11:45 am

mjolnir said:
@A Peak behind the Curtin, @Richard, @Cosmic Connie I am a regular reader of Erica’s blog and she is a very nice girl. She is one of the few honest marketers out there. It’s not all rosy as some people paint, heck some of those marketer kids who claim to make 5 digits a month don’t really live the high life. Quite a few live in filthy bachelor pads, their desks littered with empty cans of Red Bull, overflowing ashtrays and what not. Some of those guys spend so much time on the computer, broadcast webinars everyday, chatting with JV partners, etc, they have no life. I am sure some make ton of money, but the minute they stop these webinars, product launches and JV campaigns, all that money will be cut. Some of them even work harder than corporate cubicle slaves, which is sad.
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# 10 September 2010 at 5:25 pm

Inbreeding should be illegal in GA said:
One of the tricks of this mind control stuff is to put it out in the open and get people to laugh about it, that way they will keep turning a blind eye to it and continue right on. Frank Kern is even calling himself evil.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 10th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
@Inbreeding should be illegal in GA, I have sat through a seminar where Kern clearly outlined all the techniques he was using to fleece the audience, and how he only wanted our money and how we would give it to him because we liked him.
All the sheeple in the audience were laughing at Frank, especially when he said “gimmie your mutherfuking money” and I wondered what kind of spell they were under. I guess mass control really does work.
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Inbreeding should be illegal in GA Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 7:28 am
@, yes mass control really works the same way as it does on a neglected and abused child who has been singled out by a pedophile teacher. They pick their targets carefully, groom them psychologically and then do with them what they will.
The pedophile child abuser may even tell the child what he’s doing and then blame the child for it. “You want this” and. “You made me do this” is uncannily similar to “they were so stupid to fall for it so they deserve to get scammed”.
Paulie Sabol is not the only sicko in that crowd….
“Quick! Hide your kids! Internet marketers are coming!!” – Anonymous
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# 10 September 2010 at 10:01 pm

HarlansBFF said:
Folks, go to YouTube. Do a search for “Harlan Kilstein” and “Erica” — seems our doctor friend is doing all sorts of stuff to support this innocent and nothing like the rest of them Internet Marketer.
You do the math.
Why is everyone so desperate to find someone in this hornet’s nest who is honest and different? She is as much of a poser as the rest of them. Worse, actually, because she is aligned with a known abuser, scammer, cheater.
Don’t fall for it!!
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bob Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
@HarlansBFF, Actually, it looks like she bought his “Tactic 10″ course and he is giving her critiques like his other “customers.” Then of course he uses those critiques as self-promos to sell more schtuff. I can’t stand that guy, but don’t go making those customers (deluded as they may be) into accomplices.
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# 11 September 2010 at 10:25 am
» Copyblogger :: Six Figure Commenting said:
[...] their “readership”/”customers” finding out about the The Syndicate and its openly predatory posture toward all [...]
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# 11 September 2010 at 8:12 pm

the voice of reason said:
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Hey Salty, you’ve mentioned faggot Kern’s (let’s get real–if Frank and his limp wristed cousin aren’t tossing each other’s salad, I’ll eat my ripped copy of Mass Control 2.0) new business idea, but you haven’t yet commented on who he’s tapped as a partner.
From the “if you made this shit up, no on would believe it” file, this turd has decided to partner with Jordan Belfort, the self fucking proclaimed “Wolf of Wall Street.”
Think Kern is a criminal thief? Ha, he is, but he can’t hold a candle to this scumbag lying conman. This asshole started a pump and dump boiler room (it is the actual company the boiler room in the movie by the same name is based) flim flam “brokerage” business and bilked like mad to con people out of their money. How much money? Well, this walking piece of dog shit is still under a court order to pay back $100,000,000 (that’s 100 MILLION). So far, this fuckface Belfort has paid back just over $700,000 (he has to fork over 50% of all income to the restitution fund).
And this is the stain that Kern has enlisted to help him put together a team of telemarkers to smile and dial small businesses into forking over thousands of dollars for what will be the equivalent of his Mass Control, List Control, and rip off versions of Jeff Walker’s Product Launch Formula.
At least these two birds of feather freaks will be setting their sites on businesses and won’t be targeting individuals.
Awwww, fuck, who the hell is he trying to kid?? OF fucking course he will be. It’s just a matter of time he shifts into the classic “register for a free webinar/cheesy cd or DVD in exchange for your contact information and then hit them harder than Chinese math with a sales call a week later” marketing method.
Just imagine, this fucking scumbag Belfort doing for Internet Marketing telemarketing scripting what he did for pump and dump corrupt sham “brokerages” scripting. He fleeced unsuspecting people out of hundreds of millions of dollars in less than 5 years back in his greasy brokerage days.
Feeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, is it any wonder that Kern in his Mass Control Monthly newsletter said that his plan is to build a business they can sell for $300 million in just over three years?
Anyway, Salty, this fucking waste of space freak Belfort deserves at least a post.
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Zapruder Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
@the voice of reason, How far will the $300 million go in a commissary?
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RunBrunsonRun Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
@the voice of reason, AGREED!
It looks the syndicate is ramping up to sell this turd’s shit. I just got a email from Jenkins about a webinar he’s doing with Belfort on Tuesday.
— EMAIL FROM SCUM BAG ANDY —
About a year ago I read this book on my Kindle:
“The Wolf of Wall Street”
http://www.amazon.com/Wolf-Wall-Street-Jordan-Belfort/dp/0553805460
It’s a true story of a man named Jordan Belfort – who became notorious in the 1990′s for creating a stock brokerage firm called Stratton Oakmont – where he created one of the most successful Boiler Room call centers in the history of the business.
In fact, the feature film “Boiler Room” was loosely based on his company.
If you saw that film, you know what happened next: In 1998 Jordan was indicted for securities fraud, and spent 22 months in minimum security jail.
His cell mate was none other than Tommy Chong – from Cheech and Chong Fame. Heh.
After he was released, he completely turned his life around – and I mean COMPLETELY.
He’s become a best selling author, motivational speaker, and consultant for companies like Sony, Virgin International, etc.
The positive impact he had since his highly publicized fall from grace caused a bidding war to erupt in Hollywood over the rights to his life story.
Martin Scorsese won. And he asked Ridley Scott to direct, and Leonardo DiCaprio to star.
DiCaprio said after working with Jordan for 2 years, “He is a Motivator without Peer”.
And, I’m going to do a webinar with Jordan.
We’re going to be talking a little bit about Jordan’s life and his entrepreneurial genes. We’re also going to be talking about something called The Straight Line System – which he credits to turning his business life around.
Just a bit of warning: Jordan doesn’t pull any punches, so expect some colorful language, and adult themes – this webinar is not going to sit well for people who like to throw stones in glass houses.
I’ll talk to ya then,
Ole Cuzin Andy
P.S. I’ve never done a webinar interview with a person like Jordan before, so I honestly don’t know what to expect. This is way outside of my comfort zone.
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the voice of reason Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
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@RunBrunsonRun,
The guy is fairly savvy, no doubt about that. He wrote a book, basically making money off of the fact that he duped people out of hundreds of millions of dollars (duped is read “STOLE”)–something I always thought was prohibited by law (isn’t there a law where you can’t write a biography of your crime spree and make money off of it). Then, he used the money for that to hire a PR firm to reabilitate (reinvent) his name.
I ripped this assholes “Straight Line Sales” course, which he charges $2k for. It was beyond useless. One of the worst waste of time piece of shit non-courses I’ve ever listened to. This greasy fuck comes across as an Anthony Robbins wannabe while sounding like Joe Pesci (but swearing WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than Pesci ever did.
I also heard him at Kern’s List Control Live, and in person he’s even more ridiculous. The guy has had one success in his life–an absolutely ILLEGAL pump and dump boiler room. He failed selling meat, he failed in real estate, he failed in MLM. But, he’s portaying himself as some kind of business mind. What an absolute fucking disgrace.
Seriously, Salty, set your sites on this Belfort asshole. He deserves to get the “Salty treatment.”
LOSER!! ::   -6
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# 11 September 2010 at 11:08 pm

Clark said:
It’s astounding that people still visit the events w/o shame-masks on. I mean, he’s like “the courses don’t work, but I gotta sell them”.
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# 13 September 2010 at 1:24 pm

1popel said:
If only these people realized that making honest money made you rich much quicker without losing any respect by creating ways to such money out of people. They are fucking greedy morons who prey on the gullible because they think flirting with the law is a funny game. Thank god for people like Salty who relentlessly EXPOSE them. I have watched people like Kern, Schirmer, Belcher and their crew and feel like vomiting when I see them claim to be Christian or understand anything related to the good book. Whether you are christian or of any other belief these people are an insult. They all use the same until debt do us part tactics of getting people on the monthly credit card debit cycle to sell their wares. Anyone doing that is dishonest and you should never do business with them. Even magazines only do short term subscriptions not neverending pay me for nothing deductions. And even magazines have far more interesting adds than these guys do content in their products. That Schirmer guy has been done over by the Australian authorities for being dishonest recently and I had a laugh to myself. He’s now claiming to be the guru of love. What next? A monthly subscription of heavenly writings. What sad fucking lives they live and god help their families who live through the crap.
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# 16 September 2010 at 5:33 pm

cherr said:
The real lessons are in what they do not in what they teach,
anyway the real money they all (the sydacate) make is with porn!
I am subcribed to many well copyrighted porn sites which features kern’s pen names…that’s the source for financing the syndacate. A bunch of outdated pimps… I’ll post the links soon
thanx
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# 20 September 2010 at 6:44 pm

frank kern said:
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Fuck you all retarded jealous, you will never be able to make the kind of money I make, not even dream of a similar amount!
Losers
LOSER!! ::   -7
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Jack Reply:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:31 pm
@frank kern, Hi frank kern,
If I want to buy your products do I have to provide a doctors note confirming that I’m retarded? Or would you be able to just take my word for it, because I’m not really retarded, but some people on this site sometimes tell me I kind of act like it or something, so it would be good for me if you could just take my word for it, OK?
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Lance Reply:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:05 am
@Jack, Actually, to Frank, that’s probably a big plus. If you are retarded, that should get you straight into the “inner circle” (that’s where they take the credit card payments). The most severely retarded ones get to be affiliates.
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bowl Reply:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:35 am
@frank kern, all that money and you’re still miserable, but with more responsibility to worry about. No thanks.
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# 21 September 2010 at 9:01 am

will said:
haha this is awesome…u should show up as #1 in google for internet marketing
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# 13 November 2010 at 11:49 am

Hank Stern said:
Does anyone who saw the ‘Frank Kern’ post above (#20 September 2010 at 6:44 pm) really believe that was him posting…?
It has all the hallmarks of having been written by a retard (in honour of the site’s chosen vernacular), which Frank Kern most certainly is not.
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Anti-Kern Reply:
January 29th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
@Hank Stern, Have you ever seen Frank Kern’s videos? He does use the word, “fuck.” Case closed.
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