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Heavy Breathing said:

Dude,
Is there a way to minimize the heavy panting on AJ’s end?

I feel like I ease dropped on a 900# line.
Were AJ’s pants down?

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Harry Potter Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:38 am

@Heavy Breathing, wtf is wrong with Andy Jenkins, he sounds like he’s jerkin off to Jeff Walker’s voice.

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Jack Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

@Harry Potter, In the pictures of him SD put up, AJ did have his hand in his jeans the whole time, so maybe this was also some sort of visual re-enactment, too?

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FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

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@Jack, how about you dumb fucks get a fucking life…. how about you do that seriously… dont you guys feel bored already… you ll aways remains dumbs losers…dumb motherfuckers

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Jack Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:05 am

@FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS, Hi Fuck You All Dumb Fucks, you sound weirdly angry and is it because you think you might lose the millions you made or won’t be able to make more millions?

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FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 1:58 am

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@Jack, hahaha… i love to hear you losers talk. you been doing this for a while… how are you idiots going to stop this… your life is an epic failure.. that why you cant find nothing better to do but hating on people… this ground is open for everyone…. Fuck you all dumb fucks

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FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:15 am

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@Jack, Come kiss my black ass jack…. $1.7 Mil a month im that guy… if you are a loser you will always lose. no matter how hard someone is trying to teach you……i dont sell info products either…. but what they teach works…. get a fucking life..

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Boris Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

@FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS said:

“$1.7 Mil a month im that guy”

Impressive. If only it weren’t just a dream. I also take it “rational” isn’t your first language.

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Slowly Waking Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

@F-ALL-YOU-DUMB-F’s, “$1.7 Mil a month im that guy,” + “kiss my black ass,” are you Greg Davis of Washington, DC, who charges $25,000 for his “coaching” service? Who claimed a $50,000 day? First seen at Ken McCarthy’s UK System Intensive? The “Super Affiliate Rockstar” who shares “12 Ingredients for Making 5-Figures/Day With ECM” on his email list?

Is the first ingredient from your secret underground blog “mindset?”

I’m just asking. I mean, you could be someone else– EVERYBODY says “mindset” is the first ingredient!!! But if you are Greg Davis, I suggest not charging for you coaching. Take applications, hire and train the most promising people as employees with bonus incentives for performance. Build a real business in your real industry. Right? Keep it real!

Just sayin’. No sense in taking $25 grand ($50 grand for diamond membership!) from people who can’t make it back.

Unless you’re running a scam. I don’t know, I haven’t kissed any asses recently.

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

@Heavy Breathing ::

I could minimize it … but it’s important to face the truth … no matter how prone to panting and spittle it may be.

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Luke Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

@SD,

Over 300 comments in one day- at this rate you’re converting higher than the gurus!

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FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

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@Heavy Breathing, damn… how does that feel to be reading shitty stuff like that everyday… so james what are you offering to your users… only pure crap… you re such a pussy….. Damn… and these shit heads like you just keep on reading shit that you wrote… get the fuck off this site.. get a god damn life… I made millions online using these informations.. they have changed my life… if you dont have something better to offer just shut the fuck up… stop being a damn bitch… FUCK…

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Boris Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

@FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS said:

“I made millions online using these informations.. they have changed my life”

Evidently “these informations” did nothing to improve your literacy. You could at least have bought yourself a teacher, or maybe a Fisher-Price children’s “Speak ‘N Spell.”

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Irwin's Red Spacesuit Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

@Boris,

Dunno about the Speak & Spell, but I heard Frank is killer with the Kick & Play Piano.

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FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:04 am

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@Boris, look dumbasss… I will never be in your level… You’ll always be ranting about people who are successful and thats your way of life…. Damn How shameful is that…… !!!!!!!!!!!

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Boris Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:42 am

@FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS said:

“I will never be in your level”

That’s certainly a relief. I’d prefer you not be in my level, and, so would my level.

By the way, if you are paying for the use of exclamation marks, you’re on the verge of bankruptcy.

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FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 1:54 am

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@Boris, lol… no people people pay me dumbfucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get a fucking life.

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Vince Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

@FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS:

You sound like the infamous “rehash king” Imran Naseem who is a “pillar” of the Warrior Forum circle jerk club. (The guy that rewrites other peoples’ stuff and resells it.) He has a nasty way about him, just like you do. Are you cousins (kissing or otherwise)?

http://www.ppc.bz/people-that-suck/bottom-feeder-of-the-week

http://bobjones.nl/imran-naseem-will-be-your-friend-if-you-pay-him-for-it/

http://www.warriorforumsucks.com/search/label/imran%20naseem

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Dolly's Straight Cousin Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

@FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS,

I know I shouldn’t encourage you but did you watch the video – do you think it is a positive portrayal of Sandy and Jeff or the Syndicate? If you want to refute it, challenge it intelligently or anything else why not do so?

FWIT I actually quite like your name – gives me a warm 80′s hardcore feeling (music, not porn), though now it would be more likely to appear on some suburban 14 year old’s t-shirt as a hormone fuelled attempt at shock and rebellion (which is ok)

My name is Dolly and I am a dumb fuck.

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Mack the Knife Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

@FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS,
looks like someone is seriously shaking in their boots.
Pretty sad how he completely lost his cool. This type of response clearly shows the true colours of this man. Very bad form.

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FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

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@Heavy Breathing, HEY SHIT HEADS… ANDY JENKINS JUST RELEASED (KAJABI) DONT HE DESERVED TO GET PAID FOR COMING UP WITH THIS IDEA… YOU ‘RE SO FUCKED UP ALL YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IS NONSENSE SHIT… ALL YOU CAN DO IS HATING… FUCK ALL OF YOU DUMBFUCKS…

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kljafdafd Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

@FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS, please stop sniffing the ADD pills.

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I Have ADD Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

@kljafdafd, Hey don’t offend people with ADD by comparing them with this douche, :-)

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Hal (the original Hal) Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 11:42 am

@FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS,

Why do you always sound like a gnomie homie that’s been bitten by a rabid raccoon?

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# 4 October 2010 at 5:09 am



french jenkins toast said:

OMG!!!!…. Check Mate!

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Dan Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:45 am

Salty,

You might as well release the entire 90 minutes, before the D-Bags turn it into a $599 product called “Pricing Control” or some bullshit like that.

The D-Bags would probably go as far as saying it was ‘endorsed’ by the Salty Droid.

Checkmate their asses, and release the entire 90 minutes.

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# 4 October 2010 at 5:17 am



Topsi said:

Woah Salty,

Is there any way we can get this phonecall verified?
There needs to be more background info on this — some details.

I mean, this is seriously unbelievable. Those two guys have sincerely disrespected every customer they ever had.

I mean, those statements, friggin made me take a step back.
I’d like to expose this myself & spread the word on this.
However, truly, I’d fear the backlash, but, I will find a way to expose it.
Need more background details & verifications on this however.

People ought to be highly pissed on this.

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Dan Thompson Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:56 am

@Topsi, A backlash from who? Who can possibly defend what’s in the video?

I know coming out (for want of a better phrase) could damage ones business somewhat, but we can’t keep burying our heads in the sand. If what you’ve seen on this site leaves a bad taste in your mouth, then you should be big enough to come out and say so.

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WarriorSheep Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:01 am

@Dan Thompson, well they tried to get Salty’s wife fired and I believe have launched multiple lawsuits on him in an attempt to shut him up…

I could see them using their “Syndicate” connections to do some damage to anyone aspiring to make money online…I dunno!

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FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

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@WarriorSheep, WTF YOUR WIFE IS STILL WORKING AND THAT’S WHAT YOURE DOING MAN… DAMN YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF… YOU WIFE HAVE FUCKING JOB?????? WOW

LOSER!! ::   -21

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Jack Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

@WarriorSheep, Also, they maybe can use these syndicate connections to make them go faster to a self-implosion soon!

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Topsi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:08 am

@Dan Thompson,

No bad taste in my mouth Dan. I just would like to be 100% accurate & factual if I make a statement. That’s the main issues here. One of the problems in this industry is making claims, and making statements that are not verified & accurate.

From what I have read here, it proves a lot of what’s already been going on. “I” just want to be 100% accurate. We can all do better if we can get two or even 3 sources.

I don’t aim to bury my head, I aim to expose this as well.
But I WANT TO BE ACCURATE. But also, there STILL will be a fear of backlash – whereas, even though these people have been bilking their customers, we technically can’t deny that revenue was made. On the other side, there are the people doing things right by their customers, busting their butts, and running a true business — but still have to compete against them.

So, the question is will EVERYONE join in by exposing this stuff? And will people finally acknowledge these facts. But again, “I” at least need to be 100% accurate & verified on this issue. Even though it IS in video.

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brad Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:05 am

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@Topsi,

what makes you think you’re entitled? especially hiding behind a name like topsi?

brad

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Topsi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:10 am

@brad,

What the fuck are you talking about?
Entitled to what?

I’m asking for more details on this.
For example, the date of the call? why is it coming out now vs. not months back? More details on who else was involved?

Is there another source that can back this up? Etc.

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brad Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:19 am

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@Topsi,

“One of the problems in this industry is making claims, and making statements that are not verified & accurate.”

it’s obviously them, no verification needed, no extra source, no -other people involved-, no partridge in a pare tree.

you’re an idiot.

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Topsi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:29 am

@brad,

Any real journalist, legitimate blogger would at least try & get a 2nd source on the information.

Why? Because the video was edited. That means the phone call could have been edited.

Take for example The Pimp & Prostitute videos vs. Acorn (in the U.S.). It was found out that the Pimp videos were NOT accurate & were heavily edited.

So, all I have asked was for some additional background, or some additional details, whatever that may be to make additional judgments or expand on what was provided here.

If that makes me an “idiot”, I’ll be the BIGGEST FUCKIN IDIOT there is. But at least I’ll be 100% accurate.

I do not doubt the validity of this, or any of the information. This is definitely a bombshell. But for “ME” – I’m speaking for myself, I’d like to know more info on this. It is definitely a good find.

So, suck these nuts – Brad. Cause if you didn’t understand what I was saying, re-read again, otherwise, keep your dunce hat on.

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brad Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:47 am

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@Topsi,

“I’ll be the BIGGEST FUCKIN IDIOT there is.”

agreed.

once again, what makes you think you’re entitled?

LOSER!! ::   -16



Eric Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

@Topsi,

Those ACORN videos were real and the people on them said what they said.

Yes, you can edit a video and change the context. No, you cannot “edit” a video and change the very words coming out of someone’s mouth.

The ACORN scum were down with helping someone smuggle kid’s across the border and sell them as sex slaves. They offered to help by showing the (fake) couple how to commit tax fraud.

The ACORN videos were real. The scumbags at ACORN are nothing but disgusting filth.

As is The Syndicate.

Because, editing or not, you can’t LITERALLY put words in someone’s mouth.

They said what they said.

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Jack Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 11:55 am

@Topsi, I want to warn you that if you make statements like that people will accuse you of being frank kern.

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Yowza Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:14 am

@Topsi, Obviously, the edits were simply for the convenience of readers (listeners) to this post, to save everyone the time of suffering through irrelevant small talk and Jenkins’ heavy breathing. The edit points are also well delineated and there are full, meaningful segments that stand on their own and paint a clear picture. It’s pretty damning, frankly. You can also bet the full recording can be made available to the powers that be.

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Jack Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

@Topsi, Maybe he can post the whole call like he did with mr. Koenigs video and that would be helpful?

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

@Topsi ::

You started commenting on this post at 5am right after it went up … so I think it’s safe to assume this isn’t your first visit to my site.

So do you think I’d fake a call like this … or decontextualize it so as to misframe events? If I’m printing it … you can bet your balls that I’ve verified it more than once. You see that out there on the line? It’s my ass.

That said ….

1. “The call” is actually two calls … they occurred early to mid January 2010.

2. Why release them now as opposed to then? Well … imagine for a moment how maybe they didn’t send them right over to me. “Hey Droid :: fuck you :: here’s your unedited copy. Please ruin us.”

3. I will release the full :: unedited :: files after I’m done playing with my food.

And you’re right … this is some bullshit … get the word out!

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Sundog Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

@SD,

I was dying for the full file. But after this? “3. I will release the full :: unedited :: files after I’m done playing with my food.”

I am content to wait :D Although I CAN’T WAIT!!!

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Topsi Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

@SD,

Thanks, that’s all I needed to know. It’s about accuracy.
Some people didn’t understand that.

In regards to being up at 5am (USA TIME), I was up since the day before, and was just about to go to sleep.

However, I have SD on my netvibes, so, I was doing research on new posts & came to yours. I also learned of a post from Filsaimes site, and he was mentioning your name & some plans he was doing. I emailed you directly on this.

But, yeah, it’s clear now, there are two calls. I’d like to hear the full unedited versions – agreed. And then let everyone know about all of it.

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Poop Chute Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 9:14 am

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@SD, I think you’re batting 1,000 here, in spite of the fact that you’ve made it clear you don’t care what I think.

BUT — I’ll be waiting to hear the whole recording unedited before it spreads with my help.

Why?

Salty Droid does NOT moderate.

Then Salty Droid bans people, limits people like myself to one comment per post, and plays all kinds of games manipulating the up-down ratings on the comments.

I think these actions fit the definition of “moderate” as it applies to blogs and forums…wouldn’t you?

It’s tough to believe someone who says “trust me — it’s real and I only edited it to get the junk out” when that same person moderates a blog he says isn’t moderated.

This recording and the one of Kern detailing the syndicate are spot-on, though. I don’t doubt this one is as real as Kern’s — but it is edited and, when edited, it must be backed up by more than one source or the full recording needs to be available.

Unlike a LOT of people I have other things to do besides reading 500+ comments from the lynch mob…so maybe you’ve already made it available.

I’ll scan for that and, when it is, I’ll be helping spread it, too.

Whether you like me or not.

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_cartman_ Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:14 am

@Poop Chute,

BUT — I’ll be waiting to hear the whole recording unedited before it spreads with my help.

You could give it to your FBI profiler, and then drive around in her pink corvette spreading it like wild fire. When you are done, you can stop off at the Malibu Beach house (if that bitch Ken gives you any trouble, you just threaten to profile her)!

You perspired me (well you know what they say, 90% is perspiration 10% is incineration) to become a doll psychologist.

I thought to myself, how many FBI profiler dolls are abused each year (by people like you)…then I thought….if plastic FBI profilers can be abused, all kinds of dolls can be abused (gawd says this is my calling). When I am done, life in plastic, will really be fantastic. Wouldn’t it be ironical if your FBI profiler is the doll in this video?

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM5AdR-t8NI

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FUCK YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:05 am

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@Topsi, these losers probably made that up… after many years of failure in Internet Marketing, they want to make a name from themselves by bashing people

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# 4 October 2010 at 5:44 am

If It Looks and Smells Like a Turd… : The El Passo Blog said:

[...] http://saltydroid.info/syndicate-shit-storm/ [...]

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# 4 October 2010 at 5:48 am



WarriorSheep said:

Wow! Someone should post this in all the “[product launch] review” threads on the Warrior Forum…let people see what the Gurus REALLY think of them!

I love how Andy initially was thinking $497 and got scolded like a schoolgirl into charging $2500 for it…

I don’t feel sooooooooo “bad” about downloading Video Boss off of a Torrent site now! lol

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Getout Scammers Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:32 am

@WarriorSheep, all references to Salty Droid get deleted at the Warrior Forum, and he gets threatened with a shotgun by insane british B listers.

If there was nothing wrong, and if Salty’s site wasn’t damaging to the entire scam, there shouldn’t be any problem carrying on the discussion, should there Allen Says?

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# 4 October 2010 at 5:54 am



E=mc^2 said:

Salty Droid, thank you! This is irrefutable and anyone who still goes to these scammers is a complete idiot.

Magic mushrooms… these guys are hallucinating when they’re presenting?? So not only do you get scammed, but you’re getting scammed by a drug abuser. That’s so lame. Is there nothing these guys won’t abuse for their own twisted crap?

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# 4 October 2010 at 7:12 am



Can't Say said:

Salty for the win!

I find the phone call eye opening because of the two people involved and that I can’t believe it was recorded. What I don’t find eye opening is what they’re saying.

This interaction could be between ANY of the d-bags you see on Salty’s site. They all have this same conversation. This is not just between the syndicate. Although they’re the most prevalent. They all set the price up high and calculate how many people will buy and how much goes into their pocket, before they even complete the frauduct. They know their product is shit and they expect their customers to eat it.

And how funny is it how they keep talking about you Salty? I think they’re really bothered by you. They pause for a while after discussing you, and then Sandy tries to change subjects and Jeff goes back to talking about you? They’re scared. And they should be.

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Harry Potter Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:36 am

@Can’t Say, lol yea I noticed that long pause too and then Miss Walker quickly tried to interject with some reassurance “Salty’s nothing he’s nothing he’s just a pimple on our ass” with Sandy coming back with “Fuck him!” hahahahaha CLASSIC! LMAO

Salty how do you do it??? How is it that as soon as they mention your name in their little private rendevouz, somehow you always end up with the recordings or pics??? Salty you’ve got some phenomena going on, absolutely love it.

Who is Mike Long, though? And what did Ken McCarthy do? Why are these two being compared to Salty?

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Ross Jeffries Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

@Harry Potter,

Mike Long is a former dungeons and dragons turd-ball who has been scamming away in MY niche, the “pick up girls” community.

He ripped off Mystery(one of the Gurus) and his business partner, Chris Odom, then moved on to create Area51 Lifestyle where he is currently promoting a huge fraud, “Speer” on a yahoo group.

Long wanted to business with me, but after hearing tales of his encounters with others, I smelled a rat and ran.

Salty has inspired me to create my own fraud busting blog, “PUAFRAUD.COM”

BTW from the call it sounds like it was recorded on Jenkins end so it must be someone in his camp who got it to the Droid.

RJ

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VideoBese Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

@Ross Jeffries,

The “pick up niche” – dare I say – is more filled with tacky cheap douchebags than the biz op niche.

I mean, over the top blown out douche to the max.

Especially people that have no clue what they’re talking about, but just reek of try hard so much that they are wearing a sign that says “I’m cool, right?”

People like Nick Savoy and Nick Kho.

They’re far douchier than Mystery with his light up cheeseboard t-shirts.

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Ross Jeffries Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 9:45 am

@VideoBese,

If you look at the marketing of guys like Savoy, DiCarlo, and especially the biggest of the douche cons, Gambler of PUATRAINING, you will see that they are slavishly imitating Pagan.

They recommend each other’s recycled crap and clearly arrange the timing of their launches.

Mystery is a victim-he’s been ripped off more than I have.

RJ

http://www.puafraud.com

PS To those who want to spew hate at me here, go right ahead. But Salty himself looked at how I do business and gave me a clean bill of health, without liking and WHAT I teach in any way or in any way approving of it.

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SyndicateExposed Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

@Ross Jeffries,

To Mike Long: You fucking punk. You always come on this blog and post in a condescending manner as if you know everything and are sooo successful and superior. You once did that to me. Fuck you… you are a scammer.

To Ross Jeffries: Thanks for revealing another gnome…

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Dolly's Straight Cousin Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

@Harry Potter,

I was looking for info on Mike Long v Jeff Walker to understand Jeff Walker’s comment in the audio – still confused as the Area 51 Mike Long promoted Product Launch Formula 3 which was after this phone call. Anyway I did come across the following bookseller on Abebooks which is presumably another Mike Long -not sure why this caught my eye.

Drug Lords: The Rise And Fall Of The Cali Cartel (ISBN: 1903854385 / 1-903854-38-5)
Chepesiuk, Ron
Bookseller: Mike Long (oakland, CA, U.S.A.)
Bookseller Rating: 4-star rating
Quantity Available: 1

Bringing down the world’s most riches, most powerful crime syndicate in history . (L36199z).

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Jack Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

@Can’t Say, And why do they say SD has “no reach” because i think they know he does. Here is some Alexa about that:

Site Information for saltydroid.info

* Alexa Traffic Rank: 18,651
* United States Flag Traffic Rank in US: 4,282
* Sites Linking In: 95

Site Information for andyjenkinsblog.com

* Alexa Traffic Rank: 189,843
* United States Flag Traffic Rank in US: 74,355
* Sites Linking In: 49

Site Information for jeffwalker.com

* Alexa Traffic Rank: 48,852
* United States Flag Traffic Rank in US: 71,204
* Sites Linking In: 24

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

@Can’t Say ::

The reverse engineering of the price based on how much daddy wants to “pocket” is pretty sick … and I agree that it’s very commonplace thinking.

Don’t read too much into the pauses … the video represents what they were saying … but not how they were saying it. Lots of “uhms” and mumbles and pantings have been removed.

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Hammertime Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

@SD, Very good newsbite:

“The reverse engineering of the price based on how much daddy wants to “pocket” is pretty sick”

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Cromulent Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:47 am

@Can’t Say,

“Salty for the win!”?

Ok that phrase rattled my attic. If I had any skills I’d make up a IM-themed graphic of Hollywood Squares with the board filled with various Syndicate members. And Salty in the middle square.

That would beg the question: which Syndicate member reprises the role of Paul Lynde? I don’t see a Charley Weaver in the bunch.

But if Salty is on the board, who is Peter Marshall?

I always thought of the Syndicate as fit for the Gong Show. Salty would be Chuck Barris. Who would walk off with the $516.32?

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# 4 October 2010 at 7:28 am



VideoBese said:

I’m thinking I’ll just sit in front of my webcam huffing and puffing like I am on the phone while downing some oreos, pack it up and sell it for $5000.

I mean that would be cool. A million dollars.

It’s gotta be the oreos in the box. Not those ones in the plastic wrappers with the trays.

WINNER!! ::   +7

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

@VideoBese ::

Yeah :: only a scammer would use the plastic wrapper ones! People who truly care about providing “value” to customers huff down boxed cookies.

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# 4 October 2010 at 7:44 am



now what said:

After hearing this, do people still think guys like Michel Fortin’s $10,000 coaching is a bargain??

He’s got John Carlton and Gary Halbert stuff he’s promoting on his site. The only reason these guys are pretending to “expose” each other now, is to cover their own ass NOT because they are trying to be honest. It’s the oldest trick in the book.

“Success Doctor” lol isn’t that what Dan Kennedy started calling himself a marketing doctor of some sort… I remember an audio DVD where Dan Kennedy was saying that you should make up a title with the word doctor in it to position yourself as the authority and that subconsciously the image of a doctor would imprint submission into your target’s mind.

What kind of doctor charges $10,000 to chit chat with you over the course of 30 days??

Muchly debated. What do you think?   +3

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VideoBese Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:12 am

@now what,

THANKYOU!

I thought I was the only one around here who thought it was disgusting that Fortin’s defenders have been very vocal around here lately.

He is another dime-a-dozen tacky marketer who is repackaging the same old theories with the same old bloated “Info Marketer Living the Dream” price structure.

Anyone who has bothered to look at any of Dan Kennedy’s stuff would see this all from a mile away. He is the Godfather of divulging tactics and mindsets of the immoral cesspool of info marketing, both offline and the new “IM” version.

Muchly debated. What do you think?   +3

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Luke Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 11:03 am

@VideoBese,

Wait…you’re defending Kennedy?

Let’s not forget that it was only recently that Kennedy sold his “Phenomenon” program that had hidden continuity billing in it.

There’s a whole thread on it here by the people who got screwed:

http://www.warriorforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=211504

I was one of the people who purchased and started getting billed. I went back and scoured the website and saw nothing at all about monthly billing. I believe later it may have been changed to reflect the continuity. I only got notice of it once my product arrived in the mail. LOL!

So how is a Kennedy a “good guy” again?

WINNER!! ::   +7

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VideoBese Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

@Luke,

I’m absolutely NOT defending Kennedy as being someone of a respectable or honorable position in life.

What I’m saying, is that a lot of his stuff, PARTICULARLY HIS OLDER STUFF (90′s, 2000′s), was just about the only info marketing biz op products where he – unlike most of these “gurus” – actually told the ugly truth about what they do, what their mindset is, what the customer feels like and how to play with them for maximum money.

Example? I’ve seen a lot of these biz op gurus crap. The majority are completely phoney “think happy thoughts and your website will send you a box of money after the universal money god finishes rotating around jupiters third moon”

Kennedy never does that shit. He says things like “make it 4 or 5 dvd’s so you can jack up the price. People aren’t going to take off the shrink wrap anyway”.

Absolutely not defending the man. I defend no info marketer, because just about everyone I’ve seen comes off as a cheap tacky car salesman who will do ANYTHING to get your money, even sell you their own mother.

Anyone who has ever put up some hideous ugly long-form sales letter with hypey words in big red bold font, is a douchebag. That’s 99.9% of info marketers.

Muchly debated. What do you think?   +4

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Mark Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:29 am

@VideoBese,

I’m not convinced by your blanket statements…

“I defend no info marketer, because just about everyone I’ve seen comes off as a cheap tacky car salesman who will do ANYTHING to get your money, even sell you their own mother.”

and

“Anyone who has ever put up some hideous ugly long-form sales letter with hypey words in big red bold font, is a douchebag. That’s 99.9% of info marketers.”

So let’s say you worked for 4 years to gain very specific knowledge about something. It’s good usable knowledge and you know for a fact that there are people out there that would like to know it.

If you put it up for free on YouTube the chances are high that the people who would like to know about it will never see it, so why not market to them?

What’s so indefensible about that?

The problem is that anyone who is genuine and has good information to sell now has a seriously difficult job getting their message in front of people because of all the crap that is out there and the slimey methods used to promote it.

But indefensible to market information, I disagree.

WINNER!! ::   +15

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Johnnyfelon Reply:
May 12th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

@VideoBese, you are so fucking clueless. If I wasn’t so tired, I would school the shit out of you. Maybe if you are lucky, I will later.

ahhhh

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Carlon Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:01 am

@now what, Interesting…I just posted yesterday on why you shouldn’t listen to “doctors”…http://dontstepinthepoop.com/listen-doctors

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Renaldo Reply:
October 10th, 2010 at 11:42 am

@now what,

I know Mike Fortin has a coaching program for $10,000 a month. I don’t know if would accept everyone into that program. The problem with your accusation is we don’t know enough about it to make a fair assessment on it. Have you had any personal experience with his company?

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The Comment Doctor Reply:
October 10th, 2010 at 11:52 am

@Renaldo, You can bet Michel Fortin wouldn’t accept just anyone into his $10,000 a month coaching program. At the very least, you must have at least $10,000 and a pulse, or have access to someone else’s pulse.

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# 4 October 2010 at 7:57 am



Hal said:

“… otherwise I think you lose everyone but the people who have serious businesses, but, but for you know all the other … you know … the Warrior Forum folk, I think it has to be … you know … this is the magic bullet to get you traffic and convert that traffic.”

- Jeff Walker

That comment along with the prancing pink unicorn says it all.

WINNER!! ::   +16

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Getout Scammers Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:50 am

@Hal, the warrior forum is the epicenter of all these frauducts. They groom the hapless masses. The FTC needs to rampage that site if there was ever a site that needed it.

WINNER!! ::   +15

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mikefilsaimeinder Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:54 am

@Getout Scammers, mikey has friends that delete any posts in the warriorforum that are critical of him his friends.

WINNER!! ::   +10

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Hal Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:13 am

@mikefilsaimeinder,

That’s true … although I’ve heard rumors that some FTC friendly folk have been scraping the WF to keep record of everything (including the scam warnings that get deleted).

Who knows maybe the selective censorship of Paul Myers and some of the other moderators will be deemed complicit when/if the hammer falls. :-)

WINNER!! ::   +9

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Warrior Forum Sucks Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:01 am

Be sure to follow http://www.warriorforumsucks.com for the dirt on that shithole.

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

@Hal ::

“that model has worked over and over”

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# 4 October 2010 at 8:01 am



Not Ed Dale said:

Was really hoping to see “I’m not part of the syndicate” Ed Dale pop his tubby con man ass up in this video.

Everything said in that video applies to Ed Dale. The product prices, the mastermind thing (check out Ed’s mentorship program, just a million dollars a minute and you too can become a fat ass con man who uses his kids to sell frauducts!!) and even the “fuck salty droid” thing – all classic Dale strategies and ploys.

Ed Dale, not in the syndicate? Not in the syndicate my ass!!

Never mind, maybe next time.

WINNER!! ::   +9

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watcher Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:24 am

@Not Ed Dale, Yea I want to see Ed Dale burn too. At least see Salty smack the eyeliner off his face.

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

@Not Ed Dale ::

Y’all gots to stop thinking of them as separate and distinct people. Anyone in on the game … is in on the game. Attack one … attack um all.

Notice the theme around here of these people having violent sentiments about this blog before they’ve even been mentioned here. Koenigs in the last tape … and Walker in this one. It’s a team game. It’s the team that must be defeated if there is to be any hope at all.

Fuck Ed Dale.

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# 4 October 2010 at 8:36 am



mikefilsaimeinder said:

they sound so mean bitter about customers and formers partners and droid just sucking their money angry at the world thought mind processes of con artists.

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# 4 October 2010 at 8:55 am



UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE said:

Holy crap this is almost sad at this point. These guys are so obviously deep in denial that I almost want to feel sorry for them listening to that recording. (Then I remember, “oh yeah, they’re criminals” and I don’t feel so bad anymore)

I don’t think they realize exactly how much shit we have on them. This latest Filsaime post is by someone who is either delusional or in deep denial about what’s happening right now, and what’s about to happen. (Hint: we are just getting warmed up fuckos.)

Here’s how it’s going to go down. The syndi-CUNTS are going to keep running damage control efforts like what they gnome is desperately doing right now. Piece by piece things will come out around the net that prove these guys are criminals and liars (well, that’s all pretty well been established on this blog). The syndi-CUNTS will backpeddle and spin.

Case in point: http://saltydroid.info/kim-and-sandy-episode-3/ Look at the comment thread started about the lying gnome.

See how fast he was to change his post once he was busted here for ADMITTING TO RIPPING PEOPLE OFF?

It’s like Ted Bundy saying “I will no longer kill little girls anymore. And I won’t tolerate anyone else who does!”

OK, maybe people deserve forgiveness. But would you leave your daughter with Ted Bundy? Or your wallet with Mike Filsaime?

Look how he changed his post. His actions SAY IT ALL people!

People, if after listening to this phone call you don’t have enough reason to come out publicly against these guys, then you really need to check your pulse.

THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT YOU!

You are funding the drug binges of some adolescent adults. That’s all.

WINNER!! ::   +13

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Cromulent Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:51 am

@UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE,

Call me old fashioned, but I just don’t like the word “c*nt”. I can’t think of an appropriate time or place to use it, even here.

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SD Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:33 am

@Cromulent ::

You’re old fashioned.

… and also

This blog is popular in the Commonwealth countries … where cunt is more like a normal swear word … instead of an uber swear word.

Allow globalization into your life …

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Paul B Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:41 am

@SD, This clears it up nicely :)

http://www.arseendofireland.com/2007/03/cunt.html

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Johnnyfelon Reply:
May 12th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

@Cromulent, fuck you cunt

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# 4 October 2010 at 9:11 am



Man Of Integrity said:

They have their millions of dollars already, don’t let them have any more.

Tell everyone about this.

  +6

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Hal Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:58 am

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

@Man Of Integrity,

You’re either a troll or incredibly stupid.

Actually, I KNOW you’re a troll because you’d be an insult to stupid people.

Nobody cares whether anyone has made millions. It’s to do with HOW they made millions (i.e the criminal pillaging of people who could least afford it).

LOSER!! ::   -9

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Man Of Integrity Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 11:40 am

@Hal,

Its fucking obvious from the video that they are scammers.

You’re the troll! Twisting my words into something I didn’t say.

I’m saying don’t let them scam anyone else go and tell everyone you know.

Hal, You’re a fucking douchebag.

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Hal Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

@Man Of Integrity,

Sorry bud, your first post sounded like a troll attempting sarcasm.

I agree with your “I’m saying don’t let them scam anyone else go and tell everyone you know.”

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# 4 October 2010 at 9:19 am



VideoBese said:

I would feel like a kid on Christmas if I saw some dirt on Eben Pagan like we’ve seen so far from Kern, Filsaime, and now Walker and Jenkins.

Eben Pagan comes off as the squeaky clean flawless golden boy genius, free of all error and the classiest gentleman who is so smart that he figured it all out.

Deep down, you know he’s probably said some shocking things on calls, behind closed doors, etc.

WINNER!! ::   +7

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Duff Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

@VideoBese,

Deep down, you know he’s probably said some shocking things on calls, behind closed doors, etc.

Actions speak louder than words.

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

@VideoBese ::

Andy Jenkins just named him as part of The Syndicate. Frank Kern named him in the other video. This post is just as much about Eben Pagan as it is about Andy or Jeff.

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# 4 October 2010 at 9:21 am



Kyle said:

Holy Christ, thank you! OMG, you hit the mother load.

Could I get permission to post your video and link back to your article here?

After my run in with Chopra on twitter Saturday and his legions of minions(seriously, I even posted about it yesterday), who happen to be fans of Robbins/Ray/Harris I’m in the mood to piss them off even more.

I <3 Droid. If a squirrel could give a hug to a robot….

WINNER!! ::   +10

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

@Kyle ::

Of course!

My stuff is all Creative Commons … so you don’t need to ask.

That goes for everyone else too … if you want to use any of my movies or pictures … go for it!

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Kyle Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

@SD,

Awesome, thanks!

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Kyle Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

@SD, Here ya go, and thanks again!

http://www.thereformedbuddhist.com/2010/10/droid-delivers-fatal-blow-to-marketing.html

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SD Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:21 am

@Kyle ::

Nice post. Thanks.

I was going to comment on it … but blogger commenting makes me want to puke.

“The important thing is, these douche bags that he talks about in this post, and that are on this tape, are just a couple of pimples in a long link of scum that connect all the way up to the spiritual hucksters that I talk about here a lot, people like James Arthur Ray.”

Very true!

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# 4 October 2010 at 9:55 am



Some Guy said:

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

I will say this . . . Andy ABSOLUTELY delivered with the Video Boss. There were over 200 instructional videos just in the first two modules alone. Yes, there are a LOT of fluffed up products in the IM space, but The Video Boss over-delivered.

I read this blog on a regular basis and some of your critiques are accurate. I don’t know Andy personally, so I can’t speak to his character or the nature of his career in internet marketing. But I can tell you that The Video Boss contained almost 1000 high quality instructional videos, that I paid for his product, that I learned A LOT from it, that I applied it to my business, and that it was worth much more than similarly priced college courses on the same topic.

So say what you will about Andy and the syndicate, but he absolutely delivered with this particular product.

LOSER!! ::   -4

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

@Some Guy ::

You don’t know how to measure delivery.

If you wanted to ignore all the cynical bullshit that proves even Andy didn’t believe in this product {and I’m not sure why you would} … then you’d need to compare Video Boss to other books and products which purport to teach you how to use video editing software etc.

Any such comparison would be a huge fail for Andy and his $2500 scam job.

Plus … there is only one way to actually get good at making web movies … hours and fucking hours of tedious practice.

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Some Guy Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

@SD, have you actually gone through Andy’s course?

Seriously, I have no vested interest in backing this guy. But I personally believe that if I’m going to be critical about shit that sucks, I should also defend good stuff.

OF COURSE a book on editing video will cost less than his course. And watching the superbowl on TV will cost less than buying tickets. And taking a philosophy class will cost more than reading a bunch of philosophy books.

But let’s even forget that for a second. Andy’s course wasn’t just about editing video, it was about writing scripts. Creating sales videos, creating video products, using green screen . . . and doing it for marketing purposes. It was a specialized niche product for internet marketing. I LOOKED for a book on how to write direct sales scripts for marketing videos and I couldn’t.

And I DID had to spend HUNDREDS of hours applying what I learned from Andy. Not to mention about $1k on audio/visual equipment. But the work did pay off.

From the YouTube video you created it’s obvious that you see how long and tedious video editing is. I agree. But his course was a huge shortcut.

Look, I totally get that some products in this space are overpriced. I’ve bought $2k products before and returned them during the 30 day money back guarantee period. But I didn’t return this one because it was frankly very good.

I believe that every market needs checks and balances, and I’m grateful that you’re here to keep people on their toes. I don’t have anything against you or Andy. Just respect for both of your because you’re both EXCELLENT marketers.

Muchly debated. What do you think?   +4

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

@Some Guy ::

I don’t care about Andy’s frauduct … that’s your point not mine. Video Boss is old news … I didn’t even talk about it at the time.

This post is about bullshit :: indefensible :: tactics. And The Syndicate. I’m glad you like Video Boss … go write a hub page about it.

PS :: I’m not a marketer.

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Eric Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

@Some Guy,

You can find everything you need to know about editing on YouTube and other editing software sites for FREE.

I work with Final Cut Pro in a professional capacity and I’m still learning new things every day from people who are putting free material out there free of charge.

I’m talking about pros with high level knowledge, not some dickbag internet marketer who knows dick about television or video editing.

You got scammed.

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Slowly Waking Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

@Eric, a week at New York Film Academy costs less than Video Boss. Besides, why wouldn’t I, a business owner, hire someone with pro skills like you to do my video stuff for me? Doesn’t “Video Boss” by its very nature fall into the E-Myth trap?

Unless I want to make shitty Andy Jenkins-style videos and embarrass my business…

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Jack Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

@Some Guy, ACM’s Pricing Strategies for Information Products:

“Information product grows rapidly with the penetration of the Internet and communication technologies. Due to its unique cost structure and characteristics, it is almost impossible for its publisher to follow the traditional pricing strategy (cost plus). The essay presents a brief review of the available pricing strategies based on the framework of Pigouýs typology of price discrimination. Some recent advances related to the pricing strategy of information products are outlined.

We will also explore the Jeff Walker ‘just charge them $5,000 ha, ha, ha, ha, ha’ pricing strategy”

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_cartman_ Reply:
October 25th, 2010 at 3:39 am

@Some Guy,

The Video Boss contained almost 1000 high quality instructional videos, that I paid for his product, that I learned A LOT from it, that I applied it to my business, and that it was worth much more than similarly priced college courses on the same topic.

First I had no interest in viewing or reviewing the product. I saw your post [[took a quick look]] and I had to chime in. Funny I must have been given the video boss lite. I have some 262 files spread over 47 folders and of those 262 TOTAL files 69 are pdf’s/mindmaps. Are you claiming I have missing files? Not likely [[where you pulled 1000 "videos" from is beyond me]].

First and foremost, anyone not familiar with NLEs [[non-linear editors]] will find this coarse USELESS for the most part.

As for the theory, you can go to Chapters/Indigo and pick up a couple of books for less then $100 on all the theory of camera angles, lighting, storyboarding, etc [[another 50 for a marketing book if you really need it...tribal profiles?...pahlease...try target audience...a rose by any other fucked up name...will still be an antiquated re-hashed notion, using more "modern" terminology to rebrand crap to those who don't equate the new term to their old paradigm [[fuck...not sure I used any words in proper context...cool...i'm a fucking expert]]…..that’s sHake-a-spear [[well just that rose thingy]]…i’m sKcooled..thank you Harlem High]]

His [[Jenkins]] “teaching” Avid Express pro [[$1700 for the program alone]] is haphazard [[SHOWing a spec here and there]]..I noticed he did it with Premiere pro too. If you didn’t know how to use NLEs before taking this coarse, you won’t know how to use NLEs after taking the coarse [[fuck it's going to take people 6 months just to realize they didn't learn anything that will do them any fucking good]].

Second, you would have to spend another 1K [[about $2.5K will get you CS5 Production Master...which has their [[Adobe's]] whole suite of products..except for Audio Audition..they do give soundbooth…but it sucks shit]] on some sort of photo/asset editing software [[ie: photoshop, Illustrator]], and if they don’t integrate with your NLE [[and native Adobe files, will ONLY integrate in Premiere pro and After Effects AFAIK - CMIIW]], then you have to spend time and effort recreating ALL digital assets for each “shot” [[are you kidding me...and you can basically toss any animations [[other then basic transitions]] out the fucking window since you had to create a non-editable “bitmap” format]], instead of keeping editable layers from either program, which would allow you to alter sizes for different video resolutions seamlessly [[something very much required for different web locations]] and “animate” them flawlessly [[funny...he doesn't mention any of that]].

So please “some guy”, tell me where you found value in this, and I will take a closer look at those modules and re-evaluate [[better yet, create a master piece from what you learned and show it here]]…but [[as it stands now]] your answer appears contrived and non-sensical…it looks like a blatant promotion for a sub-standard product [[sorry if I didn't bring down my expectations as low as yours...but every time I act like Arnie Grape my wife hits me in the back of the head...and that shit hurts]].

BTW, just an FYI, technically it’s not “green screen” it’s chroma key [[different primary colors work for different applications Mr. Video Boss]], and [[chromakey]] was big in ’90s for infomercials and just screams cheese…welcome to 2010 pal.

Fuck, I used keying in my Andros video [[okay granted I rotoscoped 98.6% of her..but only cuz I couldn't get her on a keyable background...that's my story and I'm sticking to it]], but my video(s) were meant to scream fucking cheese…why?…it matched her useless [[$2,500]] coarse and her false expertise [[that's what a pair-a-d is...kidding I know it's pear]]. With my crooked titles..Andros slow simple speech [[while keeping pitch..suck it]]…her plastic [[I believe someone referred to it as "Marilyn Manson"]] look..and Cartman’s eyes acting like she’s a retarded simpleton, I made into video, the circus fucking side show she peddled to an unsuspecting crowd [[who thought were going to get help learning something worthwhile]].

If you think the “quality” of a video [[or video for that matter]] is going to sell anyone on a product [[other then a video production coarse]] or a service, you are in the wrong fucking “business”. And while you buy his [[Jenkins]] “theory”. You buy it because you WANT [[choose]] to believe it will work for you, not because you do believe it will.

I had a “talk” with a rockstar realtor [[no fucking joke]], telling me how he has someone who is going to turn him into a video star and how he is going to make money out the wazoo[[showed me his videos...hey Salty, should I link it here. I literally asked him if he was fucking with me]].

What a fucking joke…I asked the guy, “Why do you think anyone gives a fuck if you have a video”[[that's exactly what I said, because I'm classy]]…He said it’s different, makes him stand out [[umm...yeah...okay]].

You know who gives a crap what realtors have to say on video? Other realtors who want to see what other realtors are doing on video [or are still having wet dreams that they are going to make a fortune selling real estate...wake the fuck up realtors]]. Showing a house [[or a realtor]] on video is “theoretically sound”, but you know how many houses I look at before I am about to buy? Too fucking many to try and navigate a couple hundred videos wasting hours of my time, when I can do the same thing in less then a half hour with pics. And if I miss a fucking picture or I want to go back to a “certain house”…it’s NOT fucking a pleasant experience [[just an FYI to dentists reading here...if you use videos to show your practice....STOP....boring realtors are one thing...scary dentists..a whole new thing]]

If I am purchasing or selling a home, the only thing I want to know about the person who is doing the transaction for me, is what “incentive” they are going to charge in commission reduction [[if I am selling]], or what incentive [[ie:cash back]] are they throwing my way [[if I am buying]]. I personally don’t give a shit if the person is happy in their marriage, or if they are getting a divorce tomorrow [[and I don't give a crap about their wife, their kids, or their little dog too...sad but true]]. I don’t even give a fuck if they are competent for that matter [[since the lawyer does all the real work]], the only thing I care about is if they can follow simple fucking instructions.

You were sold on theoretical BS, and you bought it “hook, line, and persuasion”…and now you are trying to sell it to us…

PS – BTW, your buddy Jenkins..in that little “test” where he shows the 8K [or whatever the fuck it cost] camera next to a $200 hd mini cam, and the mini cam looks better..he rendered the video at a lower bitrate to lose some detail…nice trick…Jenkins is a very high integrity individual…I’ll await your response to my questions, but I won’t hold my breath.

@everyone else

Guys…I’m stuck….total creative block [[and the universal has been down]]…31 layers and 1min 15seconds into my production…and I don’t know where to go. I rendered and put up just the intro [[for reasons I can't disclose]], and maybe it will inspire some ideas. If anyone has any creative ideas shoot me an email on youtube amazinglienow [[other major problem, I have very little to work with..well very little newer material anyways]]. I am keeping the production value on this one higher [[for reasons I can't disclose]]…so bear that in mind [[wrong bear...but I wanted to give you polar dreams]]…

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9xVntLqwR4

PS – Salty, your bullet made it to my video [[weird huh]] whether it [[the video]] makes it off the bathroom floor is still not known yet…butt…it turned into an elongated 9mm round and looks like a mean pitbull on a mission now….not a happy go lucky bullet like you had [[was your bullet on X]]

Anyways, gotta go to bed…maybe that Sandman guy will give me an idea.

WINNER!! ::   +8

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Les Talk Reply:
October 25th, 2010 at 8:38 am

Cartman is right. “Video Boss” is a collection of slung-together crap. And yeah, I’ve seen it (I think it fell off a truck).

One way you can tell it’s thrown together: Andy’s video “training” on Avid is OLD. It uses a VERY old version of Avid, which tells me he just tossed that in there (probably from some old recycled Stompernet crap he had lying around).

Lots of dull, lifeless mindmap stuff as Cartman indicated. Not that mindmaps can’t be useful when properly done, but when you rely on them as a crutch, they become a blur.

If you took 1/2 (or less) of the price of “Video Boss” and bought specialized books on each subject area, you WOULD DEFINITELY have a much deeper understanding of ALL the subject areas, and then some.

This is one of those “products” that really leaned on buildup and “feelgood” more than in-depth instruction.

Overpriced? Absolutely! Then there’s the little matter of supporting the “man” behind it and what he stands for – or doesn’t stand for.

Just look at Andy’s own videos. Some people actually think they are good (and some kind of benchmark) just because of the bullshit “social proof” from biased affiliates. Well, they aren’t. They are postulating bullshit that couldn’t convince a hungry dog to lick a steak flavored postage stamp.

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Josh Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 6:09 pm

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@Some Guy,

Yea the video boss was great, and mass control was amazing. I honestly don’t get all the hate. This “evil syndicate” full explains exactly what you’re getting before you buy it and they all do 30-60day refund periods.

I guess some of them might be douches in rl, but that applies to like 95% of the wealthy population, and 75% of everyone else in the USA.

LOSER!! ::   -9

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# 4 October 2010 at 10:15 am

Recorded Guru Product Launch Call | thispaysbills.com said:

[...] to record them and make youtube videos exposing “gurus” for what they actually are. The salty droid offers a great example here. This entry was posted in TRUTH. Bookmark the [...]

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# 4 October 2010 at 10:21 am



Kann said:

“Price fixing is an agreement between participants on the same side in a market to buy or sell a product, service, or commodity only at a fixed price, or maintain the market conditions such that the price is maintained at a given level by controlling supply and demand. The group of market makers involved in price fixing is sometimes referred to as a cartel.”

It’s not price fixing at all..there’s thousands and thousands of MMO products out there that don’t have an agreement between each other to get rid of competitive pricing.

Muchly debated. What do you think?   -3

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lmao Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 11:22 am

@Kann, you’re pathetic Pat.

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Kann Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

@lmao,

Pat?

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

@Kann ::

I’m sure The Syndicate assholes are glad to know they have your keen legal mind behind them … giving reach arounds.

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Kann Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

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@SD,

But I’m still right tho…and I don’t give reach arounds. Come on salty..you’re a lawyer, you know this.

LOSER!! ::   -6

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

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@Kann,

Even if you DID do reach arounds, you are correct. But the droid has been programed to fan the fires of controversy… and words like PRICE-FIXING are his tools of the trade.

For example, the National Enquirer makes dozens of contoversial accusations each month.

Sure, maybe a couple turn out to be true, but that just fans the flames of the senseless attacks on innocent people.

And heck… it sells magazines.

I guess Kool Aid sells blog views too…

LOSER!! ::   -8

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

@Kann ::

Nope :: you aren’t right. You are dumb.

I mean … I’m sure you have GED and everything like Pagan … but you’re still dumb.

Competitors :: especially ones having a conversation about the fundamental importance of their cartel :: aren’t allowed to talk about prices. End of story.

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Kann Reply:
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@SD,

You are sooo dumb, you are really dumb…fo’ real.

LOSER!! ::   -7

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Jack Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:37 am

@Kann, Was your source the Charlie Brown Encyclopedia or something like that?

Here’s I guess a more reliable source:

“Price fixing is an agreement among competitors to raise, fix, or otherwise maintain the price at which their goods or services are sold. It is not necessary that the competitors agree to charge exactly the same price, or that every competitor in a given industry join the conspiracy. Price fixing can take many forms, and any agreement that restricts price competition violates the law.”

http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/guidelines/211578.htm

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Kann Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:54 am

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@Jack,

rofl. good one, brown’s encyclopedia.

So you’re saying if I asked you what I should charge for my product, that’d be price fixing? lmfao.

Just because JV partners…AKA affiliates discuss what the price point should be, doesn’t mean it’s price fixing.

Price fixing was put into place because, for example, if two gas stations were in a town together, they couldn’t talk to each other and agree to raise the prices because they were the only ones available in that town.

This is different…it’s the INTERNET. They really aren’t competing with each other, especially because their are THOUSANDS of alternative products people can buy.

LOSER!! ::   -6

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Jack Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

@Kann, Is it still 1890?

I see cars and computers and internet around, but maybe AJ secretly injected me with those DEA schedule I magic shrooms.

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Johnnyfelon Reply:
May 12th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

@Kann, everyone is always talking about “price fixing” and no one talks about “conspiracy.” In the good old USA, we have conspiracy laws. We are one of the only countries left using conspiracy laws to imprison our population. Russia and China are also countries that still use this crazy, broad sweeping law to put people away forever. Essentially, if two people have committed a crime or are accused of a crime, and they both say a third party committed the crime as well…PRESTO…you have a conspiracy.

Why is this relevant?

If criminal fraud were to be committed, the obvious route to easy prosecution , or should I say, most likely indictment, would be conspiracy to commit a crime. When more than two people “conspire” to commit a fraud–a crime–then then it becomes a conspiracy case.

If indeed anyone has committed a crime, they will be way more likely to get in trouble for fraud and conspiracy to commit the fraud than anything to do with price fixing.

The laws for “mail fraud” were basically created to get the mob(how fitting) and it’s so broad and subjective, that if a person is accused of mail fraud, its an easy road for the government.

As I have stated in earlier posts, the civil fraud statute and the criminal fraud statute read, literally, word-for-word the same. There is only one word that makes them different and that word is “intent.” If the government can prove intent, then it becomes a criminal case. If they feel it was non-intentional fraud, then it becomes a civil proceeding.

I heard an internet marketer and his first name is “rich” and he was doing a training on webinars. He said that in his sales video, he had a picture of a super house. Not his house, just a big ass house. He said, “oh, well, I didn’t say it was my house!” Then he proceeded to laugh about how people thought it was his home. He even stated that people asked to take pictures of his mansion.

Here’s the problem: some people, for sure, purchased the package with the influence of thinking that was his home. That was the stated purpose(as acknowledged and laughed about by himself in front of many witnesses, who also laughed) He then proceeded to talk about how that was actually a technique to use in your webinars. He was so excited that he didn’t actually say it was his home.

Let me assure you that anyone who thinks that,”not saying it” lets you off the hook; well, they are in for a really shitty time at club fed.

The internet community is going to be in for a big surprise when these guys are indicted on mail fraud charges and they are going to be saying, “I did everything by the book.” Most lawyers are not even advising these marketers properly. The government doesn’t give a damn whether you actually said it or not. It is what the average person watching would reasonably assume.

I am not giving legal advice in any way.

These are some of the issues I don’t hear being discussed and they are important and apropos.

Well… maybe they are being discussed. I haven’t read all of SD’s blog. Sorry for that presumption.

We need to create a new level of ethics in the whole of business. It really isn’t up to the government, its up to us to police and create new opportunities and more blogs, etc.

It’s great to rant on Jason’s blog. There needs to be a movement and many more jason’s with different personalities so more people can get the message. There needs to be a non-profit dedicated to providing quality information to people starting out so these assholes won’t have as much power.

bye.

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# 4 October 2010 at 11:01 am



wow LOL! said:

For the Syndicate, this post is like a nuclear bomb that is dropping. The aftershocks are going to fuck with them hardcore.

And for that, I salute you Salty! About time these fuckheads quit selling faggy info products.

WINNER!! ::   +8

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

@wow LOL! ::

The fallout looks pretty like snow … but it’s not.

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# 4 October 2010 at 11:06 am



Dan Kennedy exposed said:

You’re right on target, Luke… Dan Kennedy is a fraud.

Even worse, all of these guys worship Dan Kennedy — no exception.

Dan Kennedy uses a script when speaking. Here’s proof he can’t ad lib himself out of a brown paper bag of poop:

Yanik is much smarter than Dan Kennedy (but he’s a douchebag too because he is buddies with all of these failures)… notice how Yanik can’t keep his eyes open during this “interview”?

Here’s Dan Kennedy telling his “Info Summit” victims about how to screw their prospects out of their money:


And here’s the whitest surfer dude you ever laid eyes on (Frank Kern) giving us monumental advice to help us make our next trillion dollars:

Bottom line: Dan Kennedy and Eddie Bernays are the gods in this business. Anyone who worships these frauds needs to spend time in a jail cell.

WINNER!! ::   +10

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Frank Kern Doesn't Know How To Swim Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

@Dan Kennedy exposed,

“And here’s the whitest surfer dude you ever laid eyes on (Frank Kern) giving us monumental advice to help us make our next trillion dollars”

I never thought about this, but Frank Kern postures himself as this “Laid back surfer dude”, but does he even surf? I looked through YouTube for videos of him surfing and came up empty. So Does he really surf, or is that just an artificial persona?

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Dan Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

@Frank Kern Doesn’t Know How To Swim,

The surfer dude is persona is fake. Its an act, and Kern admits it himself. What he’s ultimately selling is the laid back “lifestyle”.

His target audience are middle aged white guys who hate their lives, they hate their jobs, and aren’t really looking to get rich, they’re looking for the lifestyle that “being rich” will bring them. That’s what Kern is ultimately selling… something intangeble. Like religion. Which is why he can repeatedly under-deliver, and still have a loyal following of converts to the Kern way of life.

Kern is very uncomfortable in front of audiences, and an introvert at heart. You can see it when he let’s his guard down.

This isn’t to justify Kern. Kern’s a scammer. But this is the method behind his madness.

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Kevin Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

@Dan, That’s pretty funny when you think about it. So probably, those surf boards he uses in his videos are just rented or borrowed! I mean, the guy’s from GEORGIA, and I’m guessing there isn’t much surfing there, just fishing.

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# 4 October 2010 at 11:37 am



Shit Storm said:

salty,

I have read your site now for a few months. I respect what you’re doing. I have to ask you a simple question: why aren’t the authorities doing something about these scam artists?

I am also very surprised nobody has done anything physical to these guys at a conference.

What blows me away is how arrogant they are about this.

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Viewfinder Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

@Shit Storm, The “authorities” probably are not aware, certainly not of the depth and breadth of what may be taking place. They typically have a lot on their plates, and even if they get some isolated complaints, they are just that…isolated. Unless you dig deep like SD has, and spend a lot of time focused on this stuff, the correlations may not be so obvious on the surface. Given that, the “authorities,” being human, tend to go for the slam dunk obvious cases (of which there are always plenty enough to occupy their time).

That’s not to say they won’t in due time start digging. However, if you want to see real action, a thoroughly detailed complaint, clearly written with facts and real data (and no emotion), sent to the FCC and state DA’s offices, might get the ball rolling.

Nobody should pass the buck and expect SD to do all the heavy lifting though. Thanks to SD, every reader of this blog now has plenty of info and the power to actually do something if they so choose. It only takes one, but realize that almost everyone assumes that someone else will carry the ball, so often, nobody does anything. That alone is probably the #1 reason this stuff has persisted and could continue to do so. Want action? Take it right now. It starts with you.

WINNER!! ::   +11

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Johnnyfelon Reply:
May 12th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

@Viewfinder, its a real simple formula for what the government pays attention to. They look at the number of complaints to the BBB and directly to the agencies. Or an unhappy insider. If you were to take a tenth of the energy and comments and complaints on this blog and had some formal way to get them to the right people, it would create formal criminal and civil investigations.
SD> you could put up a form and places for people to email the complaints and create a method for getting this sentiment and dissatisfaction to the proper people. It is about having someone champion the cause. Every business, every cause, everything, needs a “champion” a “leader” to make it happen. A well orchestrated cause.
enough.

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

@Shit Storm ::

Yes why aren’t they? Good question. Some one find out the answer and get back to me.

They better start doing something soon … or that’s what I’m going to start talking about. This is getting fucking ridiculous!

@Viewfinder ::

Whatever. I really don’t buy any of that shit about people filling out reports. If The Man is going to wait for victims to report complicated white collar crimes :: then they will never stop anything … ever.

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Seriously? Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

@SD, Salty it’s a shame, but it’s the way things are. The Feds need reports. It takes someone with organizational power like you to make that happen on a scale large enough to get them to do anything.

It would be impossible for the Feds to monitor and evaluate everything that happens in the business world. Relying on reports may be the only manageable way to do it. It sucks, but that’s the reality.

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Kann Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

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@Shit Storm,

What the hell are authorities going to do about this?

These IMers are doing what every other business owner does – they offer a product, put a price on it, and sell it to customers.

LOSER!! ::   -8

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Shit Storm Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

@Kann,

If you think what they do is normal business than you are sadly mistaken.

First off businesses don’t have 18-30′ish refund rates

Secondly if that video isn’t price fixing then what is?

I could bore you with a long lecture on morals and ethics but suffice to say what they do is not what regular businesses do.

Salty,

I have forwarded your site to every agency in my state and several federal ones that may have an interest but we need to do more

Salty as an attorney what would be the legal things we can do to OUT these assholes

What if we all put up a few bucks and we advertise these scammers or write a press release and run it on a service

Just continuously hammer these jackasses

I will put up the first $500

I am also linkbuilding this sites pages for all their names and I’m damn good at linkbuilding

These guys need to go down

WINNER!! ::   +13

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SyndicateExposed Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

@Shit Storm,

As long as you are not selling anything on your site, press releases and you are not gaining any profit as well as genuinely verifying all information as well as including as much as proof possible.

You are generally safe within the law. I’m not a attorney but that’s what I’ve learned.

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gringo Reply:
October 18th, 2010 at 3:37 am

@Shit Storm, get someone on Fiverr to write a press release on every new post here. For 5 bucks I’ll bet you get a blast to most of the press release sites. Rise and repeat. Hit it hard!

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# 4 October 2010 at 11:56 am



Dr Pepper said:

OMG, that was hilarious. How the f*** does Salty get his hands on this chit?

My guess is that the Haters who’ve been burned send him tons of chit.

I will say this about Andy Jenkins, I used to be a member of StomperNet for a short period of time and I learned a lot. I’ve also learned from some of these other syndicate guys.

I mostly study the way “they” market themselves. Their eMail campaigns, the product launch, the pay process, 3rd party endorsements, etc…

I’ve never bought any of their products.

You have to give them credit for being good marketers, because they are.

I detest most of their products and Mike Filsaime can blow me, fuggin racoon.

BTW, the Warrior Forum sucks and Paul Myers is a complete hillbilly ahole.

Keep it up Salty!

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Jack Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

@Dr Pepper, ???. So you are now saying you want to market the way they do – the way SD has now shown us in so many posts how they “market”? They seem to you to be great marketers now?

I am never going to do my marketing if I do marketing with the Syndicate way!

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

@Jack,

I have launched (2) successful campaigns this year following the “Launch Process” that has been used by these so-called goobers.

I used the video format almost identical to Video Boss by Andy Jenkins. The same format that most are using now, like Mike Filsaime, Chris Farrell, Paul Lemberg, and many others including one that just ended yesterday http://members.salestubesite.com/sales_pages/101

I did a launch to my own list with NO affiliates. I made 6 figures in less than one week offering a much needed service (done for you marketing). Cumulative over a one year period I will earn in excess of $300,000.

This was all taught to me by these “goobers” in the Syndicate for FREE.

I didn’t pay them a dime, I have never met them, I simply followed the PROCESS they were using. I saved their email campaigns, snagged their copy, and downloaded every video.

There is nothing wrong with using their “process” as long as you are offering the client value and they see a Return on Investment.

IMHO their is no need to invest in anything they are offering, the Warrior Forum does have “some” good marketing members there. It’s the Moderators and the Owner (Allan Says) that SUCK!

No one here can deny their Marketing ability, skills, etc… they are very good at that. Why do you think they make so much money in the first place? The so-called syndicate is useless unless you can monetize your product or service.

I think most of the syndicate suck, especially Russell Brunson and Mike Filsaime, but they definitely know how to market.

Let’s be honest about our reviews.

P.S. I forgot that slimy bastard Mike Koeings from Traffic Geyser.

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

@Dr Pepper ::

“No one here can deny their Marketing ability, skills, etc… they are very good at that.”

Except for me of course :: I completely deny it :: and this whole blog stands for the proposition that you are completely fucking wrong.

They suck at marketing. And they suck at scamming. And they suck at tech. And they suck at the Internet. And they suck at conversation. And their personal lives suck. And they suck at writing. Etc. Etc.

All you can learn from them is what not to do … and that’s pretty intuitive already.

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

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@SD,

Salty, if you want to be taken seriously then be honest about what they “can” and “can not” do.

I think they are fairly good at scamming. Tech skills I could care less.

I have no idea what their personal lives are like, I don’t know or care to know these guys.

I was surprised when AJ said “1 Million” dollars was a lot of money! These guys make it seem like they are doing Billions with all their famous sites that they bragged about on StomperNet: http://www.a2armory.com/

SN claims to have done 23M in one day!

Don’t let your hatred of these douche-bags get in the way of your thinking and cloud your judgment.

LOSER!! ::   -5

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Shit Storm Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

@Dr Pepper,

Lying is not marketing

hype is not marketing

They prey on peoples…that is not marketing

Do you know the definition of the word client is?

It means to be under ones protection

Do you think they protect their clients or take advantage of them

I will go thru line by line the sales letters they use and I can tell you they flat out lie

they steal for a living and you admire that?

WINNER!! ::   +10



SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

@Dr Pepper ::

I don’t care about “being taken seriously” … that doesn’t even mean anything.

People who are good at scamming don’t record their price fixing calls. People who are good at “marketing” don’t wait two years to respond to a popular dissenter.

The $23 million claims are bullshit.

Don’t let your clouded judgment cloud your judgement.



Kann Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

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@SD,

They’re millionaires, you’re not. Who sucks at marketing?

LOSER!! ::   -16

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Shit Storm Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

@Kann,

Bernie Madoff was a multi-billionaire…what’s your point?

WINNER!! ::   +14



SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

@Kann ::

You have no idea about my finances chump …

Your shilling is an epic fail! Months you’ve been at it … not even one good one. I do enjoy a good troll fight … but good trolls are so hard to come by.



Yes, They Do Suck At Marketing Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

It’s a FACT. These guys are NOT good marketers. They use shortcuts, insider tagteams, and similar methods to market. Certainly not the same stuff they teach their “customers.”

Consider the HUGE volume of potential “fresh” suckers they now need to pull off one of their launches.

A MILLION people, just to get a very tiny percentage of buyers? Why is that? Because they are INEFFECTIVE, INEFFICIENT, and dependent on sheer NUMBERS and pie in the sky promises to reach a small group of uninitiated “customers.” At this point, a lot of these guys are just operating on what’s left of past fumes.

Your average corporation would CHOKE on those results. And the returns! They have insanely high return rates. People just don’t return something they are happy with.

No, if you consider the big picture, and the state of social media communication today, these guys can’t continue without getting bolder and bolder. That’s not marketing, that’s cutting corners.

WINNER!! ::   +8

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

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@Yes, They Do Suck At Marketing,

Well, lets see…

Coca Cola
Wal Mart
Ford

None of these guys gets as many actions out of an ad.

Yeah, these IM’ers suck…

LOSER!! ::   -11



SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:52 am

@Dr Pepper ::

Speaking of honesty :: don’t make claims about your online success here unless you are prepared to prove it.

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bryanb Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 4:18 am

@Dr Pepper, they are scammers and they only want YOUR money. Period

marketers my ass

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Mary, Dakota and Brian are broke now Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

@Dr Pepper, Oh please – no way you guys made what you claim with that bs “coaching” deal.
Saw your sales page at http://members.salestubesite.com/sales_pages/101
Apparently you’ve convinced your Mom and sister to shoot basement video and Dad’s even got a sheet up for his!! How stunningly professional – I’m SURE after mastering those amazing techniques they’re just swimming in sales now too!

If ANYONE actually bought, send their money back and do yourself some karmic good.

BTW, Thanks for publicly admitting you lied on your sales page on “…studied well over $16,000 worth of internet marketing…”

“Don’t feel bad because It’s Not Your Fault!”
Actually, now it is.

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

@Mary, Dakota and Brian are broke now,

Uh, that’s NOT my sales page, lol. I was simply showing a FORMAT that I used to launch my current membership site.

@ Salty Droid

I sent an email to over 10,000 subscribers (I rented the list from a major data supplier) using the Launch process that Andy Jenkins is promoting: httcrap://get.kajabi.com/funnel_events/316

I target business owners to help them with Internet Marketing and Sales in general. Many businesses are being decimated today because of the downturn in this economy.

Bus owners were used to doing business using old methods like the Yellow Pages and word of mouth, spray & pray type advertising.

I sold 60 mebers @ $1,997, almost $120,000. I allowed for 20% slippage, returns, etc… I offered a 30 day Free look, no questions asked Guarantee for a 10 week course.

I was planning on a 40% dropout rate because of the rented list I purchased.

The 30 day Free look expired and only 4 members dropped out, leaving me with 56 sales. The 4 refunds were promptly sent within hours. I had one customer complain 24 hours after he asked for a refund why he didn’t get his refund and he was going to the ABC agencies. I told him I sent his refund via my merchant account 5 minutes after his email. He replied, holy chit I’m so sorry, no one ever refunded my money that fast! I totally missed your email reply. I didn’t say anything but I could feel his embarrassment over the phone ;-)

At the end of the training modules (not finished yet) I am offering “done for you marketing” services on an annual basis. I am charging $9,997 for 12 months with a 100% credit (the $1,997 initially paid) towards the final price.

The specific niche I am targeting will yield a return on investment of at least 10-1 from using my services.

I have not concluded the 10 week period yet so I have no idea how many will convert. My guess is that over 50% will because they have seen significant improvements in the first 4 weeks of training. They have already made up for the price of my initial consulting.

It doesn’t take much to help business owners with their marketing, they don’t know shit about marketing whatsoever. A few tweaks to their business and 30% annualized is no big deal in most situations (not all).

I may easily take in over $600,000 in Annualized fees, time will tell.

I study the masters, the old legends. The Syndicate aint got shit over the True Masters, but they do enough to make themselves some nice bank.

Copy is King!

Dr Pepper

P.S. I’ll be very curious as to what Andy Jenkins offers this Kujabi for. I heard he’s going for monthly continuity of $97 month. If that’s true then he will have many sign ups (100′s maybe even over a thousand), probably me also. If anyone has used httcrap://businesscatalyst.com/ please give me your opinion.

P.P.S. Dan Kennedy, Gary Halbert, and many others have taught me well.

P.P.P.S. I have no connection with the Syndicate whatsoever, however, I do see some of them at Ken McCarthys System Seminar conventions. Most are aholes. If anyone has dirt on Ken McCarthy I would like to hear it.

P.P.P.P.s. I still think Andy Jenkins makes great videos and has a natural voice for narration.

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SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

@”Dr” Pepper ::

Blah blah blah … link to your site or shut the fuck up.



Wyrd Reply:
May 12th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

agg, no! I hit +1 by mistake!

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Duff Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

You have to give them credit for being good marketers, because they are.

Perhaps these guys are good at extorting lots of money in the short-term, but burning your customers through outright scams isn’t a good long-term success strategy IMHO.

WINNER!! ::   +11

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

@Duff,

I was not referring to their product/service, pricing, or affiliate Syndicate. I was simply implying that they know HOW to market effectively.

See above post.

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Shit Storm Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

@Dr Pepper,

Lying is not marketing

Think about it – They say anything they need to just to make a sale, there’s no skill in that

They lie and trick and fool people and you think that is a skill?

You think that’s marketing

Have you even read any of this sites content

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Kann Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:02 am

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@Shit Storm,

What do they lie about, exactly? Seriously curious. I’ve read this site’s content, and it’s all pretty much libel and slander.

They market, they have a niche, they have a customer base, they makes millions…and you’re mad because they do.

LOSER!! ::   -7

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T-Bone Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:23 am

@Kann, words-from-their-own-mouths = libel and slander?

You and Jedi should take a class on logic at your local community college. And buy a Children’s Dictionary while yer at it.

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kljafdafd Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 7:05 am

@Kann, what’s it like having multiple IM personalities?

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Eric Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

@Dr Pepper,

We’re all waiting for proof of your $100,000 launch from your mom’s basement.

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

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@Eric,

See above, I actually launched from my home office in my underwear. True story.

LOSER!! ::   -5

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Tumblebug Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

@Dr Pepper, Is it also possible to launch from home without having any underwear? Because not all of us are that affluent.

WINNER!! ::   +7



Mathias Reply:
October 8th, 2010 at 6:14 am

@Dr Pepper,

You give scammy aggresive Internet marketers credit?
You could setup a bank and give some cool street credit to gansters yaa know.

I appreciate your lecture on investing and ROI mr. wanna´be Buffet.

Oh Pepper, Here’s the deal: why don’t you Teach us how to write copy. Yep, share some of those golden marketing eggs. I sooo want those readers to be grabbed by them eyeballs. Teach me how to hook them in and lead them astray as they get lost in fake-dreams and fake-desire until they finally act on my big ugly call-to-action button so i can swallow their money.

Just teach me how to “market effectively” goodamnit…

Wizard: “I’m a wizard, i can grant you any wish you want…”
Slimmy Internet Marketer:
Oh… well then, i want to make money. teach me the secret to making money, big cash, lots of mulaah,

Is that all?
No wait, i wanna do it online, selling lots of information, doesnt have to be that good, maybe some fake-celebrity status.

I shal grant your wish

And so he turned the slimmy internet marketer into a mix between Kevin Trudeau, Frank Kern, a little weird gnome and lots of other goofy creatures…

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# 4 October 2010 at 11:57 am



Dog-a-Log said:

LMAO! Great post.

I’m sure there’s more to come. Like the stuff about John from the phonecall? What’s that all about?

{salivating}

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

@Dog-a-Log ::

Yep :: that’s coming … and it’s pretty effing hilarious too.

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# 4 October 2010 at 12:10 pm



_cartman_ said:

Brilliant video, loved the part with them stating;

“It’s not like we held anyone at gunpoint”…cue Madoff..(Madoff should is the king of “I didn’t hold anyone at gunpoint” …but..apparently…he (madoff) never defense wasn’t used)…

I don’t know what makes me scratch my head more…stating on a call (you know is being recorded) that you are going to misrepresent the product, and then actually misrepresenting the product…or lice.

Salty, great video, it had all the “video boss” elements in it, as well as animation (loved the roaming gnome)…You went beyond Jenkins video boss.

Interesting numbers given….

1 Million person list

+

$2,500 coarse

=

500 purchases

-

(20-30%) return rate

Those percentages are abysmal!

1 in 2000+ may purchase, and of those, 1 in 5 (best probable case) will return it. [[Any real business brandishing 20% return rates, won't be in business for long.]]

WINNER!! ::   +10

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_cartman_ Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

@_cartman_,

ummm…hmmm…how the hell did that post (I hate this f”in laptop)…excuse all the parts where it sounds like I am on “mushrooms”…somehow it posted in the middle of making partial changes….which is why I sound like a RPFM saying things like; “he (madoff) never defense wasn’t used”

Gawd…now my English sounds like Andros…shoot me now!

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Buzz Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

@_cartman_, You are exactly right. Those sale and return statistics should be considered ATROCIOUS!

That almost looks like their only hope for keeping any of that revenue is purely buyer APATHY and procrastination (putting off or otherwise not getting around to requesting a refund), and NOT likely buyer “satisfaction.”

In fact, mainstream merchant credit card processors and banks would probably SHUT DOWN the average business account if they saw return numbers like that. Normal store returns are a FRACTION of the huge percentage these guys admit to.

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# 4 October 2010 at 12:31 pm



bobd said:

WOW! all i can say is wow. Can this be any more explicit.

I got ripped off by frank kern’s list control; still reeling from it. The porgram is such a joke. there is like 30 $ worth of interesting content and like the bonuses never came, the sotware was not working. I could not beleive how shitty this was !

Started opening my eyes after that but this blog just

I kind of think eben’s stuff is actually more intresting than the other “guru”‘s shit so i wouldn’r really put him in the same basket as the kern, jenkins, reese etc…

well anyways, well done to get such a recording. That really dissipates any doubts on whether your blog’s claims are legitimate or not

WINNER!! ::   +11

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Duff Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

I kind of think eben’s stuff is actually more intresting than the other “guru”‘s shit so i wouldn’r really put him in the same basket as the kern, jenkins, reese etc…

You might want to ask yourself then why Pagan puts himself in the same basket.

WINNER!! ::   +16

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SyndicateExposed Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

@Duff,

Greed.

Not taking his side by the way, I spoke against Eben many times. His over-priced $200-300 programs filled with fluff will wipe your wallet cleaner than the Laundromats.

Let me expose one little secret about Eben: All his dating programs have the same information one way or they other. His more expensive programs simply make things more complicated and long to justify the price. It is also very repetitive with the SAME info found in his cheap $20 dollars ebooks.

Like I said, the guy is GREEDY…

I also don’t know why he lives in a 1000 sq ft apartment if claims to make around $25 mil a year.

I’m not saying that he doesn’t but that is probably one really uncomfortable apartment. I’d move into at least a 3,000 sq ft home or apartment regardless of income for me to feel comfortable.

It’s funny because even doctors who make a fraction of what claims to make live in a much more comfortable residence which makes his income claims to be suspect.

His business courses are also way over-priced & can cause you to lose a lot of money.

One thing you can learn from Eben is selling and marketing… Just read his sales pages and study them.

He’s also VERY cunning and crafty with his image. He portrays himself as this white-collar successful man who is really earning his money honestly. They way he speaks can also fool people into thinking he is something that he is not.

Be careful from him because I would consider him more dangerous than people who are blunt with their dishonesty.

“As I grow older, I stop listening to what men say, I just watch what they do.”
-Andrew Carnegie.

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Bo Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:34 am

@SyndicateExposed, That’s 93 square metres of the apartment. That is preatty god damn large if you ask me – for an apartment – it must be 4 bedroom. The apartment is probably the same price as a 250 square metre house. I am not defending Deby Pagan just, saying you might have miscalculated.

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

@bobd ::

You :: and all those similarly situated :: should sue Kern.

@Duff ::

Yep. Eben used his own tiny little girl legs to climb into this basket …

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Kann Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

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@SD,

They don’t need to, they can get refunds.

LOSER!! ::   -8

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Yeah Sure Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

@Kann, Going back how far? Because the crap goes back a LONG way…

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bobd Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 6:26 am

@Kann : funny thing is, I waited until after the refund period was over. Why is that “funny”?

Because I was like a deer staring at the headlights of a speding car. I was like in shock because I could not beleive how shitty and empty the program awas so I kept on thinking :” well the reallly interesting stuff has to be coming next week” and by the fourth week of lousy content… BAM. refund period over…

@ SD : wishful thniking, I would not know where to start. But you’re doing great work exposing them and making sure others don’t get scammed so easily.

@SyndicateExposed : maybe you’re right , maybe i’m partially blinded by the smoke screen… Eben’s stuff is helpful but it is overpriced, and probably not as insightful as it staged to be.

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Eben Pagans Mole Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 6:44 am

@bobd,

“funny thing is, I waited until after the refund period was over. Why is that “funny”?

Because I was like a deer staring at the headlights of a speding car. I was like in shock because I could not beleive how shitty and empty the program awas so I kept on thinking :” well the reallly interesting stuff has to be coming next week” and by the fourth week of lousy content… BAM. refund period over…”

Ok… Now THAT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. That is absolutely a disgusting tactic to circumvent one of the few laws that keeps this lawless market semi-safe.

It should be 30 days after all content has been delivered.

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bobd Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 6:55 am

@Eben Pagans Mole,

Sure wish it was that way… But he would have had a 60% refund rate (even he doubled the price to 4 K) ; )

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Dolly's Straight Cousin Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

@Eben Pagans Mole,

Another complicating factor with refunds (and perhaps an additional reason the B Team are useful) is getting non-Syndidate bonuses. Because you (or in this case me, the pathetic fucking wannabe) build a ‘relationship’ with the B Teamer you feel guilty in getting a refund, or the bonus is spread out or delayed until you’re outside the refund period. Obvious I know but thought I’d mention it.

Slightly more off topic (ie non Syndicate) is the now less common refund with strings attached -ie if you do everything we say and don’t succeed we will refund. I had this experience with Keith ‘Duelling Banjo’s’ Wellman – piece of crap product that I had no intention of persevering with due to abysmal quality-could not get a refund. He also allegedly ‘pioneered’ the long video sales page, which coincidentally is trickier to copy and re-examine later etc.

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Ross Jeffries Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

@SD,

Ha ha. I remember the days when Pagan was still my student and he was living in a tiny apartment in LaJolla. He was soft and doughy back then and liked to wear a (fake) Rolex and brag about how it was a gift from some real estate due for whom he marketed.

He also thought that jokes about molesting kids were funny. He used to do this routine about some guy who would molest a kid named Billy, with lines like, “Now, Billy. I don’t want to do it to you neither. But if I don’t the bad men will come and take you away from me.”

I’m not kidding about this.

Fucking sociopath, but a weasel with incredible skill at faking affinity for others.

He will never forgive me for breaking the hold he had on his girlfriend. He had bragged to me how he had her under a “hypnotic seal” and could make her do anything. So he brought her over to my condo and said, “Do whatever you like with her”.

I broke the seal he had on her. (Took 3 minutes, he’s not that good a hypnotist although he can probably BORE anyone into trance). Then I told her what a deep level douche he really was for doing that to her.

Found out from an angry Pagan, the next day, that she dumped his ass.

Best thing I ever did.
RJ

WINNER!! ::   +13

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niggapls Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:26 am

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@Ross Jeffries, this is slightly less ghay than eben, which makes a winner yo.

LOSER!! ::   -6

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Eben Pagans Mole Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:42 am

@Ross Jeffries,

Ross, do you know what Eben is, as far as his lineage goes?

I’ve seen a couple people wondering the same thing, thinking he’s hiding some really ethnic-sounding name.

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Mary, Dakota and Brian are broke now Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

Christ, it’s like listening to someone who does his pet talk about someone who does kids – oh, yeah, I guess that WAS it.

Instant Seduction?
Instant Slimeball.

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Eric Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

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@Ross Jeffries,

Who are you kidding? You pay for sex. Just admit it.

LOSER!! ::   -4

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Eric Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

The only thing more disgusting than these slimeballs is a worm like you, Jeffries, taking the opportunity to pile on while peddling your own garbage.

No self-respecting woman would get with a choad like you. You have zero game. For God’s sake, LOOK at yourself.

You’re just pissed that your “protege” is better at being a crooked liar than you are.

Your product is crap. Go away. Peddle that junk somewhere else. The rest of us have self-esteem.

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Playing with fire Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

@Eric,

von Markovic?

Are you the fluffy hat wearing light-up cheeseboard wearing cross dresser from Toronto!?!

SIGN MY CHEST! OHHH!! MYSTERY!!

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Eric Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

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@Ross Jeffries,

The only thing more disgusting than these slimeballs is seeing a worm like you crawl in here and pile on in order to promote your own garbage.

No self respecting woman would get with a choad like you. You’re scum and you’ve got no game.

Take your crummy products and peddle them elsewhere. People here have self esteem, dig?

LOSER!! ::   -4

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McCurious Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

@Eric, Doesn’t seem like RJ is promoting anything here, and this is obviously not gonna be his market anyway. But he does share info here that is illuminating. Would you have him not? I guess you would. Instead, I recommend you have some tea and chill. Or just chill, if you don’t care for tea.

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Eric Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

@McCurious,

His name links to his ridiculous speed seduction site. He is in direct competition with people like Pagan.

His stories aren’t exactly an admission against interest now are they?

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Todd Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

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@Eric, So you want to discourage people from coming here and interacting? Good plan. Not.

LOSER!! ::   -4



ThisIsGettingRetarded Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

@Eric,

Eric louviere? I’m almost certain it is! ya dig?

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kljafdafd Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 7:31 am

@Ross Jeffries, was that before or after you made her do the same degrading shit that Pagan did?

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Eric Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

@kljafdafd,

Check out one of Jeffries’ hypnotic “techniques.” This one is called the blowjob pattern and it’s about the most idiotically creepy thing I’ve ever read.

[Yeah well, do you like chocolate? (Or is there a food that when you see it you absolutely have to put it in your mouth?). I mean, can you stop and remember a time when you saw a piece of chocolate and your mouth is already tasting it before you even put it in, and you can already taste that sweetness against your tongue and you can feel the special rich texture of it against your tongue as well. You know that texture that really good chocolate has.

And then there's that moment, that moment when the first molecule of chocolate touches your tongue and you know it's inside your mouth and you just want to keep it there because it's so rich and so good. And there's that extra special warmth when you swallow that sweetness down.]

Is Jeffries is just another douchebag scammer. Gee, I don’t know. Why don’t you try this awesome technique on a girl and see how it works.

Or alternatively, downgrade me.

Whatevs.

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Smells Fishy Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

@Eric, Your extremely aggressive, one person war on RJ wreaks of agenda. RJ is not here defending anybody, has spilled the beans on some of these DBs, and publicly supports SD. So what’s up with you?

I’m guessing YOU are one of his competitors. I’d almost bet money on it. You’re just a little too overzealous.

Most of us are here to deal with real DBs, not help people like you fight anonymous turf battles.

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kljafdafd Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

@Smells Fishy you..I mean Ross Jeffries is in a league entirely of his own. lmao

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Dan Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

@Eric,

I’m in my late 30s. When I was younger, I’ve used his BJ Pattern to get BJs from women.

It’s an outdated pattern now, because thanks to all the BJ and Bukkake videos ont he net, it’s hard to find a woman who *won’t* give you a blowjob.

But there was a time in the mid 90s when a woman still associated sucking d*ck with being trashy. Can you imagine that? In those days, the BJ pattern was welcome and necessary.

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Shit Storm Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

@bobd,

Eben Pagan couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse with a fist full of fifties. This guy is the worlds biggest liar.

Please keep in mind it takes some brains to sound intelligent. Madoff knew enough about investing so people still invested yet he lied his ass off

WINNER!! ::   +8

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# 4 October 2010 at 12:44 pm



Anonymous said:

Shit Storm said:
“I am also very surprised nobody has done anything physical to these guys at a conference.”

Why not go out to Vegas starting this Thursday and meet all of the douchebags in person:

“We’re lining up the BEST slate of speakers… bona fide Internet marketing heavyweights… we’ve ever had,” Fallon states on the StomperNet LIVE website. Each speaker is scheduled to give their best “Top Ten” under-the-radar marketing strategies.

In addition to Schoemaker & Burchard, Stompernet LIVE 10 will feature keynote presentations by Ryan Lee, Mike Koenigs, Brad Fallon, Howie Jacobson, and Dan Hollings.

Source: http://www.prweb.com/releases/internetmarketing/live-event/prweb4599974.htm

They won’t be hard to find… just look for those with the biggest heads.

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wow LOL! Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

@Anonymous,

ummm… people who go to ASW are not the “gurus”. Sure, maybe there is some crossover…but most people there are not slinging faggy biz ops. One one side, they are slinging truly fucked up rebill bizopps, OR everything else. In the end, capitalism is fucked up since you profit off your fellow man, but that is just the way it is.

The thing that makes all these assholes fucked up, is they sell fraudulent marketing information to would-be entrepreneurs. Package it up and throw a ridiculous price tag on it. Like Aaron Wall said, 99% of these motherfuckers are destined to fail because thay are still “looking for the secret” and not testing things (ie trying things and gaining actual experience). They quite literally price gouge the FUCK out of the people who ‘could’ start companies and hire people and who provide real jobs. Gurus speak of “providing value”, but in the implementation of the campaign are doing anything but.

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Luke Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

@wow LOL!,

Aaron Wall charges $300 per month.

Just sayin’

http://www.seobook.com/subscribe

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wow LOL! Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

@Luke,

yea, well his membership is actually worth the $$$ for a change, so suck on that.

I hate marketers for the same reasons everybody does, but price gouging at $5k/course is just ridiculous. $300/month to get the skills and bounce ideas off people who actually know wheat they are talking about aint even a comparison.

nobody is going to teach these sorts of skills (marketing new companies) to just anybody and everybody for free. just sayin’

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Duff Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

@Luke,

I don’t know if Wall’s product is good or not, but he has been speaking out about deceptive marketing practices for quite some time on his blog. In fact, it’s the main thing he writes about.

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Frank Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

@Luke, Aaron Wall is NOT selling bizop. He’s selling the equivalent of technical classroom training and highly experienced, private consulting delivered online. It’s function-specific and mostly technical in nature; not the fanciful stuff discussed here. Aaron is long-established (many years) and deals with many larger companies that demand and discern professional experience. In professional circles, Aaron Wall is extremely well regarded. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned anywhere on this blog except as a much more valuable and authentic alternative to the posers that appear here.

On the other hand, as you just heard in Andy Jenkin’s recording above, Jenkins intentionally paraded his “product” as BIZOP. He called it a “business in a box.” There is a WORLD of difference, and a world of implied results.

WINNER!! ::   +11

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Luke Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

@Frank,

All I did was mention his price point; it was literally a 2 line post…any inferences are your own. Two posts above I’m getting told to “suck on that” as well for no apparent reason.

A lot of people here bitch about high price points as an indicator of evil practices. I happen to disagree with that which is why I mentioned his $300 per month pricing.

For the record, I have no issues with Wall and tend to like his stuff.

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Frank Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

@Luke, I’m not going to hammer you ad infinitum for that because I know you are on the right side of the fence. But, you know you stoked the fire by throwing that out there like that. “Just sayin…” That’s called a FIRE STARTER.

Next time, use kindling, not one of the good guys.

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Jack Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

@Luke, SEOBook has bazillians of pages of free helpful content and video and i plan to read all of them and he never seems like he’s trying to get all my money even though i am a free member of his.

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Getout Scammers Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:56 am

@Luke, Price itself isn’t a reflection of value. That’s the problem with some of you who don’t think that things should cost a lot of money. I even disagree that a quality course shouldn’t cost even $2000. There’s nothing wrong with it, even though the DVDs might be $.50 each to press. It’s the experience and value of the instructor and information contained on the DVDs. Why does a Yale education cost $200K? Price alone isn’t a reflection.

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Jack Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

@Getout Scammers, Maybe we could get a true value on andy jenkins and jeff walker by trying to sell them on eBay?

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# 4 October 2010 at 12:56 pm



Ned-Beatty-treatment said:

For those of you who saw “Deliverance”…..

For you guys who actually paid $2000 for a set of DVDs. Why don;t you just bend over next time and let these toothless con-artists just ram it in your asses? It will be far less painful and I get the feeling some of you losers will actually enjoy it ….

I mean com-on , $2000 for a bunch of DVDs from guys that have learned from the masters of persuasion. Most of these guys are students of Hype-stars teachers like Dan Kennedy and Tony Robbins. And, you can be sure they are all laughing at us behind close doors , ie. “can you believe 500 morons paid $2000 for DVDs that cost us 50 cents to create. “. And notice how the cast of characters keep growing?

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

@Ned-Beatty-treatment ::

Anyone can get conned …

There :: but by the grace of god :: go I.

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# 4 October 2010 at 1:07 pm



Sundog said:

Can we get a full version of this somewhere? I’m dying to hear what they said about John Reese and had to edit out. Anyone know details about why they were so afraid of Mike Long and that other guy?

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# 4 October 2010 at 1:10 pm



Told-You-So said:

Salty,

Are you sure you weren’t “Deep Throat” in another life?

Un-fucking-believable!

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

@Told-You-So ::

If I have to be one of the characters in that terrible play … then I want to be Daniel Ellsberg …

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg

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# 4 October 2010 at 1:20 pm



Salty Jedi said:

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It’s all a big fucking conspiracy, huh? I love the “unbised” reporting where the “reporter” uses the exact same techniques he rails against.

Give me a break.

I actually bought the Video Boss, and found it to be an excellent course. Worth every penny. Maybe not for some biz-op seeker, but for a real marketer, it’s the real deal.

Now… I’m sure my post will get deleted, or I’ll be flamed. BFD.

I’ve seen a lot of products that don’t live up to their hype. Far too many. But Video Boss was not one of them. It delivered value that made the couple of grand seem insignificant.

All you haters chew on that…

LOSER!! ::   -12

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PagansOverpricedCrap Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

@Salty Jedi,

you wrote “I actually bought the Video Boss, and found it to be an excellent course. Worth every penny. Maybe not for some biz-op seeker, but for a real marketer, it’s the real deal.”

I hate to disappoint you, but you overpaid by about $1999 for this $2000 product…any real marketer would know that.

Muchly debated. What do you think?   +5

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

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@PagansOverpricedCrap,

I’m sure that’s based on fact, because you bought it, right?

Or are you just a d-bagateer?

Or do you enjoy getting tea-bagged by Jason Jones?

It’s got to be one of the 3…

LOSER!! ::   -12

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brad Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

@Salty Jedi,

that foul mouth sounds exactly like the one Andy used in the video.

andy?

brad

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

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@brad,

Just trying to speak in a language y’all understand…

LOSER!! ::   -11

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James Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

@Salty Jedi, The fact that you mentioned Jason by full name PROVES you are on the BAD side of the fence. That reference is a little too “attached” to be a casual observer. Even his fans simply refer to him as SD or Salty.

So: which douchebag are you…or which underling of a douchebag? Because you most definitely ARE just that.

Even “Cuzzin Andy” knew his crap was overpriced right off the bat. That’s why he optimistically said he wanted to charge $500 for it at the beginning. So yes, it was insanely overpriced.

WINNER!! ::   +8

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

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@James,

Only a fool knows the price of everything, and the value of NOTHING

LOSER!! ::   -9

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wow LOL! Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

as much as I hate the gurus for their price gouging ways, I also hate idiots who think they know everything and call out others.

@PagansOverpricedCrap, you obviously bought just by looking at your username, so just shit the fuck up. On one side, I feel you. On the other, get to fucking work and quit complaining . You bought this bullshit and nobody forced you to. FOr reals, That is dumb. Really really dumb.

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

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@PagansOverpricedCrap,

I would say Video Boss is worth $97, not $2,000

LOSER!! ::   -6

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208-577-6210 Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 6:45 am

@Dr Pepper,

Do let us in on the maths behind that incredibly precise ‘valuation’ – I’m sure I wouldn’t be the only one interested.

$97 is not the ‘worth’ of the product. You’re just pegging the program randomly into one of the long-established tiers used by the Syndicate, among others. My fake secretary Debbie (everyone has one these days) has put together an easy table for you, valued at $97.

$17 – Entry-level PDF of under 50 pages. Follow with upsell.
$37 – Larger ‘book’ in PDF form
$67 – Monthly fee for forum membership
$97 – Quick and easy, 6-10 videos, ‘magic bullet’ clickbank product.
$497 – Quick and easy, 6 or more videos, ‘magic bullet’ product (you’ve done this bit Debbie..) sold in 2007, with mumbling introduction, module on SEO, etc.
$1997 – Same product as 2007, but in 2009, with inflation at 100% per annum, due to the uncertain economic climate (not sure that’s correct Debbie…sharpen up!)
$4997 – monthly fee for Platinum Mastermind, where you get on the phone every month to your most valued customers and sell them all the above products. (Debbie, you’re fired.)

The numbers mean nothing. Try to dissociate your concept of value from syndicate prices. There are numbers between $97 and $497 you know…and they don’t all end with a 7.

WINNER!! ::   +10

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

@Salty Jedi ::

I’m not “unbiased” or a “reporter”.

I’ll tell you what I am though … winning.

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

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@SD,

I wouldn’t say you are winning. I’d say you’ve done an excellent job building an army of minions… who agree with everything you say (even with the complete absense of proof). Just like Rush Limbaugh!

Though I’d have to say… I like you a little better than him. Even if I’m not a minion. Despite all of the hate mongering and witch hunting… you don’t spew non-stop Obama hating!

Sure, maybe AJ originally envisioned Video Boss as a $500 product. After “raising” the price to 2 G’s… he added more than 2 G’s of value. I was totally satisfied with the program and my ROI speaks for itself.

And yes, maybe some of this stuff I could have found for free. If I only knew where to look… and if I took the time. But as a business owner, I’d gladly pay for stuff I know is solid material, without spending hours upon hours looking on the Interweb for the info.

After all, you just can’t believe everything you read on that Interweb.

Now…

If you want to do a better job at “Watch Dogging” you could always be “fair and balanced”. Then real people (not just haters) would listen.

At that point… you may get to that “winning”.

But until then, this blog is nothing more than chewing gum for the minds of the already discontented.

Some of your targets could be d-bags. But certainly not all of them.

One more thing…

It’s true, the National Enquirer sells more copies than bibles sold worldwide. That’s because people love to see the mighty fall.

Even if it’s manufactured.

LOSER!! ::   -8

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Reality Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

@Salty Jedi, You believe in the fantasy because you want to believe in the fantasy, or perhaps you have some involvement or an agenda, which is much more likely.

Reality-seekers look at the cold hard facts here on this blog (such as the many videos, documents, and audio) and see it for what it is: incriminating. It’s these guys’ OWN WORDS, and it speaks for itself.

They can’t take back their much-lamented admissions, but they are probably sure glad people like you “volunteer” to help them gloss things over. Too bad for them it’s all sufficiently outrageous to cover up.

Your silly denial of all the smoking evidence by calling it “manufactured” just sounds, well, manufactured.

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

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@Reality,

Cold hard facts?

Uhhh… ok. You got me.

Lets review these facts.

1- some marketers don’t respect their customers
2- marketers work together to sell stuff to each others lists
3- marketers brainstorm their pricing.

Oh yeah,

4- some marketers say bone-head things they would never want their customers to hear

WOW!

Even I don’t like some of these facts. But they certainly are not doing anything illegal.

Well…. maybe the sweaty lodge thing. But selling info products?

Sure, some of the peeps featured in these blog posts deserve a bashing. But many are just high visibilty targets who are really just trying to build companies by delivering stuff thier customers like. (And want).

No one is perfect, sometimes they make mistakes. Don’t we all?

LOSER!! ::   -8

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

@Salty Jedi ::

Who cares what you would say? You are a nobody.

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

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@SD,

Ewwww! I been teabagged by a troll with a shaved sack!!

LOSER!! ::   -12

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brad Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

@Salty Jedi,

jeez Andy. you’re doing nothing more than adding more chopped up dead babies to the pile by acting like this on salty’s blog.

brad

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kljafdafd Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 7:49 am

@Salty Jedi, your testimonial sounds like sales copy for Sandy Jenkins.

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Renaldo Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

@Salty Jedi,

Salty IS winning. You can’t deny the evidence. He is easily found on the Internet and people are waking up. Walker telling himself how insignificant Salty is makes Andy happy since he paid for Walker’s advice. And 5K price point is an easier sell to the Syndicate to promote than at 497.

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Wiggin-Out Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:00 am

@SD, That has to be one of my favourite comments:

“I’m not “unbiased” or a “reporter”.

I’ll tell you what I am though … winning.”

Fake Robot – Real Attorney

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# 4 October 2010 at 1:21 pm



Jason Moffatt Exposed said:

The username Salty Jedi sounds a lot like Jason Moffatt.

Here’s Moffatt sucking on Jenkin’s pee pee:
http://jasonmoffatt.com/internet-marketing/my-andy-jenkinsvideo-boss-bonus-for-you.html

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

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@Jason Moffatt Exposed,

Gawd… you guys is smart!

LOSER!! ::   -10

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Hmmm Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

@Salty Jedi, You smell just like a scammer we’ve all smelled before.

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kljafdafd Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 7:54 am

Seems like Jason Moffat is part of the same cult Joe Vitale was/is. Rajneesh and Osho.

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

@Jason Moffatt Exposed ::

It’s true … smells of Moffatt.

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

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@SD,

Wow, even the robot are smart! (Or should I say Jason Jones is one savvy mo-fo!)

I smell teabagging… and maybe a droid kool aid circle jerk?

LOSER!! ::   -12

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Oops, forgot to sign in!

Anyway… I love your hunches. They are always spot on. Just like all the info I see on this blog…

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOSER!! ::   -13

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brad Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

@SD,

not the jason moffatt that left as string of crimes and charges in oregon that he doesn’t tell anyone about?

brad

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Getout Scammers Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:44 am

@brad, Interesting. Do tell. Moffat is a grade A douchebag that wants to be Frank Kern.

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brad Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:17 am

@Getout Scammers,

let’s just say that anyone who does a background check and pulls his court records, salty?, will find some interesting information. it’s actually not hard to find.

brad

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Oregon Records Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/ID/public_records.shtml

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# 4 October 2010 at 2:11 pm



Snap said:

Shit son, you struck gold with this recording. Good sleuthing. For all you still living in denial about these punks, keep in mind that Sandy is spending your hard-earned money on mushrooms. Mushrooms son! And 30% refund rates? That’s a pretty good indicator that either your marketing sucks, or your product sucks…or both.

WINNER!! ::   +11

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

Snap ::

But he “solved” his 30% refund problem …. by more than doubling his prices. Science!

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

@SD,

I think AJ said $500 then Walker said $5,000.

That would be Tenfold increase, lol.

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Snap Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

@SD, Lol, and he managed to knock it down to “only” 18%. So only 18% of peeps who spent $5k decided that it sucked enough to endure a refunding process (never pleasant). I see a trend…maybe if he charges $10k he can lower the “your-product-sucks-goat-balls-gimme-the money-back” rate down to a single-digit percentage.

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Hal Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:25 am

@Snap,

You know … the more I think about the refund rates, the more bizarre this all becomes.

In the real world an 18% – 30% refund rate would kill most businesses unless the profit margin was astronomical. Even then, it would be a relatively short run because you’d minimize or eliminate repeat business.

But even in the online affiliate world (i.e. affiliate as in legitimate online business, not Ponzi schemes, boiler rooms, frauducts, etc.), a rule of thumb that virtually everybody knows (at least I thought it was common knowledge) was that if you’re promoting something as an affiliate, the refund rate should be below 5 and never above 8%.

So knowing the metrics, why would a legitimate affiliate promote Syndicate crap in the first place?

Is it they don’t know the metrics?

Are the B-teamers just complete idiots?

Or is it something else?

Very strange.

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Toadstool Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:30 am

@Hal, On Mike Filsaime’s blog, HE said this:

“Our AffiliateDotCom refund rate was 11% for a $2k product so we are doing our best to provide value. We are seeing 50% refunds on many $37 products these days.”

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Hal Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:18 am

@Toadstool,

50% refunds indicates the crap they’re putting out smells so bad that even their marks can tell the difference.

The 11% on a $2000 frauduct … hmmm … maybe the sucked-in don’t realize it’s crap until the after the refund period?

Or maybe at that price, the patsy thinks, it must be something wrong with them and not the product.

Sick stuff (as in sick bad, not sick good). :-(

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Mary, Dakota and Brian are broke now Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

Or everyone’s figured out you can buy this stuff all day long, get it and then refund. Have FUN!!

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Snap Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

@Hal, I don’t think it kills their business because of the volume of launches. That’s why we see so many launches happening each month – new volume in to replace the old volume out.

As for their B-teamers, I think it’s because they revere the A-Teamers as being big-league. Gay. The 2nd tear guys mailing this crap need to get a clue. They are responsible for a high percentage of the “new blood” that goes into these lists. Most A-teamers have the same battered list of subscribers that they’ve used for years, and the B-teamers get suckered into giving up their fresh leads for a phone call or an atta-boy on the competition chart. Sofa king we todded.

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Hal Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 10:17 am

@Snap,

Ok, so it’s sounding like a churn and burn strategy of naive A-team wannabes.

That’s a really bleak scenario, but it would explain a lot.

The hardest people to save are people that need to be saved from themselves. :-(

It would also explain the inordinate amount of Syndicate sycophants and trolls appearing on this site regardless of the evidence Droid posts.

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# 4 October 2010 at 2:36 pm



Amazing said:

Looks like Salty has REALLY hit a nerve here with this expose! Just look at the scammers who have come out of the woodwork like cockroaches, in a futile attempt to defend this outrageous crap.

Note to scammers: this just makes everyone want to talk about it even MORE. This is absolutely guaranteed to get commented about and linked to by other blogs now. Enjoy the attention, because you DESERVE it.

WINNER!! ::   +7

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# 4 October 2010 at 3:14 pm



Johnathon said:

What’s really ironic is how they put down all the Warrior Forum sheep. Yes, the blind, follow-anybody sheep that fork over money for anything, including pure junk.

The Warrior Forum is infamous for protecting so-called “gurus” by quickly deleting criticism (even highly justified criticism and warnings), so it’s odd that those guys would so easily put down that group of suckers.

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

@Johnathon,

You are right. People are more than “sheep” whether they are on the WF or they are customers. That bit is beyond defense, whether Andy’s course was good or not.

The smartest marketers treat customers like family… because they are the reason for their business in the first place.

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

@Johnathon ::

The screen shot in the video is from one of the many deleted threads on Warrior Forum. Threads that link to this site rarely last more than a couple of hours.

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Muck Rucking Fun Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

@SD, Agreed. There was a thread on the Warrior Forum just a couple of days ago with a post that linked here. It was gone in about 15 minutes. They don’t tolerate any interruptions in the guru cock stroking there at the Warrior Forum.

WINNER!! ::   +9

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# 4 October 2010 at 3:24 pm



Ken said:

The simple fact that no one here can dispute or prove wrong is this:
Not one of these scammers, Eben Pagan, jeff walker, Jeff Johnson, Ryan Diess, Andy Jenkins, Brad Fallon, Frank Kern etc, has put out anything as an originator. They just continue to sell the same shit that you could buy in books for decades.

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

@Ken,

You can say that about ANYthing. Dan Kennedy said he has Never had an original thought yet he makes millions at marketing businesses.

I make very good money at “done for you services” for business owners, I can assure you that most of my knowledge can be found via Aweber and thru the internet.

Info can be found everywhere, who has the time to search for it, implement the ideas and test.

People pay for info all the time. I pay my attorney a chitload of money for LLCs, trustwork, etc… because I don’t have the time to research this shit, nor do I want to. My attorney, like most (sorry Salty) scams me for everything. Charges me $6 per page for every single page he sends or receives via fax, charges me in Ten minute increments for 1 phone call even if the line is busy. They are all the same, no accountability.

But I pay the fuckers anyways because my time is more valuable.

Money buys SPEEED!

I’m not defending the syndicate at all, but many of the members here talk like O’Bama. I’m a Capitalist and if people want to pay me money for my advice or service, so be it.

WINNER!! ::   +12

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Getout Scammers Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:42 am

@Dr Pepper, the best/worst posts on Salty’s blog are those made by people who hate marketing in general. It’s apparent that they hate the idea of a profit at all. There’s nothing wrong with making a profit, and I think that even Salty would agree with that. It’s making a profit as the result of illegal collusion, etc…. that’s the problem.

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Shit Storm Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

@Ken,

I have a better question. If these geniuses have so much incredible info on making money online why aren’t they building major companies?

Steve jobs is a genius marketer not these assholes

If these guys truly had a great ideas then implementing them would make more money not selling the idea

Warren Buffet made his money investing…not selling a course on how to invest…want to know why?

Because he actually is a genius investor

WINNER!! ::   +10

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Eric Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

@Shit Storm,

Disagree slightly on Buffet. He’s not playing on a level playing field. He’s a rent-seeking vulture who has enough political pull to exempt himself from all the business choking regulations imposed on the rest of us.

He’s also a far better marketer than any of these internet clowns. Millions believe in the fiction of cuddly ‘ol Uncle Warren as your favorite, hard working, play-by-the-rules capitalist.

He ain’t. He’s scum who uses the power of the State to gain unfair advantage.

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Cromulent Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

@Eric,

Buffett makes a ton of money these days by scooping up big family businesses that have to be split up due to estate taxes. Basically they have to be sold for a discount, which is free money for a guy who is already sitting on a big pile of it. The richest gets richer thanks to confiscatory taxation that won’t even let you expire without taking a cut.

And guess who thinks estate taxes should be a lot higher and should cover more people?

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Mathias Reply:
October 8th, 2010 at 7:20 am

@Eric,

Buffet is a friend of the gang-bang commercial Babylon-tower banks and their corporations…
You ain’t really seeing how he’s working his magic.

The “miracle” of Omaha. No thanks… seen enough of that.

Moving money from markets and countries, to new markets and countries creating stock market booms and busts is syndicate shitweasel global “desctruction-investing. and its not really long-term and it has nothing to do with value

“value investors.” jeeeeez….

Reminds me of good old frankie boy and his “creating value mantra”

Watch what they do, not what they say…

There are no super-genius investors… Just rich old men playing a game and knowing the rules.

The idea of “predicting” the stock market on your own is cute though.

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# 4 October 2010 at 4:12 pm



IhateThemToo said:

Anyone who mentions a “Magic Bullet” needs a magic bullet to the temple. There are tons of desperate people looking for a magic bullet and preying on that psychological trigger to the tune of $2,000 is wrong.

Sad stuff from a sad little man. I’d like to put a million in my pocket as well but I’m not willing to fuck over people to do it.

WINNER!! ::   +9

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

@IhateThemToo ::

A million dollars of blood money will taste exactly like a million dollars of blood money.

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

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@IhateThemToo,

Best marketer of all time is David Axlerod. He ran O’Bamas campaign for President.

O’Bama is the KING of scam artist. Fucking worthless POS!

Alxerod did the same fucking thing for Obama as all these shysters did.

We’ll see how Rahm Emanuel runs his campaign back in Chicago.

Lot of Promises and no return on investment.

End of fucking story!

I’m not a Republican either, I can think for myself.

LOSER!! ::   -4

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

@Dr Pepper ::

That’s idiotic dribble …

… and I’ve already got the whole Chicago Mayor thing wrapped up … so Emanuel might as well stay in Washington.

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# 4 October 2010 at 4:37 pm



Lotus Flower said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Long has more info on Mike Long. As you’ll see from his precious career, he has a long history of being shady. Surprised he hasn’t come up here before.

Sounds like these guys talk a lot of shit about each other.

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Irwin Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

@Lotus Flower,

I’m not sure if that’s the same Mike Long (poker player) that Jeff Walker mentions in the video above. But I am sure that it IS this Mike Long (IM douche):

Mike Long talks with Frank Kern:

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52EjZJkppLo

Mike Long & Rich Jerk talk about IM launches:

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIABRAdDP0

These guys are all the same. That’s why they love to lick each others balls every chance they get. It’s a disgusting site to watch. But sobering none the less. Thanks Salty.

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Whaddyaknow Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

@Irwin, In that second video, Mike Long looks kind of like a crew member of Star Trek: Scaminger. “Phasers on ripoff!”

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

@Lotus Flower ::

You can be a Magic: The Gathering professional? Who knew!?

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# 4 October 2010 at 4:39 pm



GnomeyGnomerGnome said:

Oh man this is getting so funny it’s ridiculous:

Our Frankie boy now tells you to not follow a gooroo http://frankkern.com/?p=31

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Golly Gee Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

@GnomeyGnomerGnome, Unless it’s HIM of course! Now it’s every last syndicate member for himself? Like rats jumping off a sinking ship.

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Seriously? Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

@GnomeyGnomerGnome, I will bet you cash money that he said “don’t buy any products for a month” because this is a month where the syndi-CUNTS are not planning any launches.

These guys really are absolutely inept. The b-team hates these guys now and are feeding the enemies of the SIN-dicate lots of information.

They remind me of that boiling frog experiment. Frogs are cooked slowly in the pot so they don’t jump out. The syndi-CUNTS don’t yet realize that the temperature has passed the lethal point.

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Stoic Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

@Seriously?,

Kern’s whole marketing message has been anti-marketing for some years. The surfer-dude persona, his emails telling the punters not to buy from him, the articles on not to follow a guru bring in droves of eager buyers.
For a retired salesman he still endlessly mouthy.

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YouHaveHitaBigNerve Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:40 am

@GnomeyGnomerGnome, I did wonder why Frank Kern hadn’t sent out an email promoting Kajabi. Although needless to say I have since got one.

I dont get it. Why say dont buy anything and then two days later send out an email telling people to buy something.

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Jack Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 1:07 am

@GnomeyGnomerGnome, I wonder if the cheering people there know that mr. Kern called them retarded?

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# 4 October 2010 at 5:24 pm



Jason Moffat Sucks said:

Jason Moffatt is an actor. He’s no surfer dude… he’s a fraud. Just like his “buddy” Frank Kern (a white surfer dude without a tan… what a fraud). It’s all an act.

He also doesn’t know Jack about protecting his website… his username (hint: It starts with a “J” and rhymes with jasonmoffatt) is there for any 13-year old hacker to see and exploit.

I won’t break in because I’d have to take a major shower after rumaging through that creep’s backend. (Pun intended.)

Just library attack his password and you have the keys to the “don’t-be-negative” kingdom.

Hey Jason. Your time is up…….. DUDE.

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# 4 October 2010 at 7:11 pm



YouHaveHitaBigNerve said:

http://marketingdotcom.com/an-open-letter-to-all-jv-partners/

Look at this…

“UPDATE: Monday t:30 AM EST – Minions of Jason Jones. I have spent the better part of the day talking to the 5% of you that are coming from his blog to try to spin this and trash me as you stated you would on his blog. We had good comments coming from people. All of a sudden a minion posted my blog on his blog and you are all coming here now to trash talk the same things you are saying there. As I said, this week I will address Jason and his hate confused followers. I let about 10 of you say what you want so I can prove your facts are wrong. With that said, I am letting you know you are wasting your time from here forward. Take it to his site. Hate and trash is welcome and thrives there. This is about discussion to make things better. Waste your time and post and I will nuke the comment.”

I love this. I actually quite like Mike Filsaime, I know, I know I am an ass and shouldnt be seen dead posting on here but his updated comment at the beginning of this post really makes me think that you have him running kind of scared! I have to say from a PR point of view that that post of his is terrible!

Look forward to watching this one develop!

WINNER!! ::   +12

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VideoBese Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

@YouHaveHitaBigNerve,

These guys are losing control at a massive rate. Huk huk.

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Seriously? Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

@YouHaveHitaBigNerve, you quite like him? How is that even possible?

Any redeeming qualities you imagined he once had are now proven to be false:

Marketer: he’s obviously quite inept as is demonstrated by that whole blog post and his replies

Nice guy: all of his backstabbing crap is documented very well, and he’s obviously a serious misanthrope as anyone can see reading his replies

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brad Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

@YouHaveHitaBigNerve,

i love how mike made a list of all the crap he’s done as a list of -best practices-, hilarious. i got suckered by mf when he sold me a product that was not complete when he launched it and never even delivered functionally, refused a refund, tons of hype, hidden secret, crowd of angry customers, false scarcity, server went down, a ton of crappy uspells. i also bought another product he referred me to for affiliate commission and got ripped of by that snake too.

brad

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Zipp Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

@brad, Too bad that was in the past (the past being anytime up to and including last week, I guess). That’s because like Filsaime said in his post, he wants to hear your complaints “going forward.” I guess that means he wants to forget about all those past complaints. Unfortunately for him, it doesn’t work that way!

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

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@YouHaveHitaBigNerve,

Whoa! You guys must have put some of Andy’s shrooms in your kool aid!

Running scared. You wish (while you’re hallucinating of getting group teabagged by your minion pals…)

LOSER!! ::   -9

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Chirp Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

@Salty Jedi, Why your obsession? Whatcha so worried about? You aren’t addressing any facts, and you aren’t really saying anything, you just sound like some guy standing around a cellblock defending inmates so you can score free cigarettes.

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

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@Chirp,

Obviously, you can’t read. Or the minions have obscured the posts. But you DO know how to read them. Are you just too lazy?

That kool aid must be tasty. Or is it the teabagging sessions with other minions?

Y’all are boring me…

LOSER!! ::   -10

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ThisIsGettingRetarded Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

@Salty Jedi,

Are you fucking retarded?

In a 2 week period, Salty has posted 2 audio recordings of these fucking idiots premeditating, and plotting to rip the market off through price fixing, inflating prices, and just being all around assholes.

It wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t try to portray themselves as being your best fucking friend. At the end of the day though, many of them are creating products, and selling shit for a couple grand that they have never done themselves. Ryan Deiss sells a 2K traffic course when he couldn’t get traffic if he cut a fucking hole in the fence from Mexico, and retarded assholes such as yourself thinks that is perfectly fine, for who knows what reason.

If you listen to the Frank Kerns, John Reeses, Eban faggot Pagen, and the rest of the idiots it’s all about building relationships, anyone just starting out can create value, and get partners in the market, and get rich. Yeah fucking right! These fuckers have their own little “team” and their launch sequences set up to run everyone else out of town, and to keep people that want to and are capable of delivering value out of the market place.

These idiots need to have their asses kicked in a big way. At least one of these idiots is going to fall, maybe more after all of the syndication talk, and the price fixing, and all the other shit that they admit to on audio like jerk offs.

WINNER!! ::   +8

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YouHaveHitaBigNerve Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

@Salty Jedi,

Sorry bud… I don’t think I have been drinking any kool aid. In fact being a Brit I wasn’t really sure what the expression meant so I googled it and good old google via wikipedia states:

“Drinking the Kool-Aid” means becoming a firm believer in something: accepting an argument or philosophy wholeheartedly or blindly. The term originated with the Jonestown Massacre,[1][2][3] where members of the Peoples Temple were said to have committed suicide by drinking Kool-Aid laced with cyanide.[4]

I think that Mike’s comments on that particular blog post do not reflect at all well on him and having spent some ten years working in Public Relations before getting involved in the online world I can safely say that his comments are excessively bad relationship management. You don’t attack back except extremely rarely and you certainly don’t attack back in an immature manner, which his posts came across as being.

From a drinking kool-aid point of view if you read my post you would have seen that I actually quite like Mike Flisaime. The fact I also enjoy Salty Droid should be proof enough that unlike you I don’t accept arguments wholeheartedly.

WINNER!! ::   +7

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YouHaveHitaBigNerve Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:59 am

Looks like someone in the Filsaime camp agreed with me as the comment has now been removed.

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Can't Say Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

@YouHaveHitaBigNerve,

Only someone scared for their business would make a post like Mikey just did.

I have a feeling these marketers are going to become fucking philanthropists, hoping we don’t smell their scams or we forget how they’re all assholes.

WINNER!! ::   +7

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

@YouHaveHitaBigNerve ::

I find that whole post insane. Why does he keep making a point of calling me “Jason Jones”? Couple other people have been doing that today as well … and this @SaltyJedi troll is doing it.

Is the long awaited counter-PR strategy going to be the revelation that I’m not a real robot?

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J.D. Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

@SD, He’s just trying to separate you from your public mojo, as if that will somehow disempower you. Of course, it should already be known how that plays with you. It doesn’t.

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Sundog Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

@SD, Is it possible he already took the post offline? Do you have a copy?

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Mary, Dakota and Brian are broke now Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

@SD, You’re not a real clean-up-the-scum ROBOT? I’m not sure my washing machine was ready to hear that.

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

Don’t hate! Unless you hate “Jason Jones” …

“I pitty those of you that fall for the cult of personalty of HATE of Jason Jones. It creates bitterness (as very obvious from your post) and people don’t know the facts and just accept very hateful persons manipulated videos and blogs. Jason Jones is nothing but a person that found fame creating a hate blog under the guises of helping people. The truth is, is seeks significance from his life’s failures. His claim to fame is being good at Call of Duty while his wife works her butt of to bring in all the money while he sits at home angry and his lack of success and creates fantasies like the “illuminate” of the marketing world and he is messing up the heads of the weak minded people (sorry my friend) that can not see both sides of the picture and see the truth for what it is.”

… but seriously … Jason Jones really is good at Call of Duty. You think it’s all about twitch muscles … but it’s not. Strategery bitches!! The Gnome is just jealous of my 1.73 kill/death ratio. Don’t feel bad gnome … I’m sure you’re good at somethin’ … like Yahtzee maybe … or old-man hopscotch.

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_cartman_ Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:00 am

@SD,

he is messing up the heads of the weak minded people (sorry my friend) that can not see both sides of the picture and see the truth for what it is.

I kind of wander (not an o) if Fleecme rubbed off on Andros, or Andros rubbed off on Fleecme…

BTW Mike, it’s “hear” both sides of the “story”. A picture only has one side…although sometimes a picture could have another picture under it…

I heard of cases where they found Van Gogh’s painted on used canvas’s…which had dogs playing poker on them originally…the mid 1980′s were a real weird time!

My fucking head hurts again!

WINNER!! ::   +9

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Renaldo Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

@_cartman_,

Weak-minded? Anyone who functions with at least some critical thinking skills is weak minded? No, only weak-minded people get robbed.

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:16 am

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@SD,

Heh heh… I thinks you have some holes in your strategery Jason Jones. I’ve found out many interesting things about you while probing.

You do know what that is don’t you Jason Jones?

Not the anal kind of probing, but what the American’s do in Call of Duty while you are in Taliban mode…

See you soon pal. Real soon..

LOSER!! ::   -8

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T-Bone Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:21 am

@Salty Jedi, Even if Salty is a dip-shzt…this doesn’t mean that the SYNDICATE are not a bunch of scumbag sellers of shzt.

It’s called LOGIC pal.

Check it out:

All farts stink.
Salty Jedi stinks.
Therefor Salty Jedi is a fart.

Don’t hate on me, hate on Aristotle, fart-breath.

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Bullshit detector Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:26 am

@Salty Jedi, Smells like the vagueness of your usual bullshit. You fail to realize that this blog gets some pretty huge traffic (look it up, tool), and much of that huge traffic represents people who are in agreement with SD.

So not only are you full of bullshit, you are throwing bullshit (like a feces tossing monkey) at UNRECEPTIVE ears. Pretty stupid, actually. Here’s some useful advice for you: go-fuck-yourself. Oh, it looks like you’ve already taken that advice.

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That makes sense Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

Yeah – figured you were a “prober”.

Often (and surprisingly so), probers were the victims of probers when they were young.

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Frank Kern Doesn't Know How To Swim Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

@That makes sense,

Do you really need to use the word ‘prober’?

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Nikki Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:14 am

@SD, maybe this is more his game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf_Bowling

(Ok, so it’s elves, not gnomes…apologies, but the visual amused me).

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Getout Scammers Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:33 am

@YouHaveHitaBigNerve,

I think this shows who the first to turn state’s evidence will be in the RICO action.

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Jack Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

@YouHaveHitaBigNerve, “I let about 10 of you say what you want so I can prove your facts are wrong”.

and what about the other nnn,nnn,000?

maybe their facts are right?

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SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

The Gnome just deleted all his references to “Jason Jones” and turned off commenting. Perhaps his tiny Gnome balls are not so big as he was imagining.

I’ll still be expecting that big expose Gnome :: I wouldn’t want you to disappoint all your fans … you rockstar you.

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Getout Scammers Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:41 am

@SD, Like a facebook plugin is going to stop anonymous posters. Like someone can’t (hasn’t already) created a troll account for facebook with a pic of some hot girl.

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# 4 October 2010 at 7:22 pm



SyndicateExposed said:

I’m sure getting 162 comments on the first fucking day of this post must be one really big fucking pimple on Andy Jenkin’s hairy fucking ass.

They talked about in the video about how Salty Droid is just a pimple in their ass. They were right though… Salty Droid is one REALLY big fucking pimple on their ass.

I sure hope Bubba won’t notice….

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niggapls Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

@SyndicateExposed, hoping to see these fockers on cnbc’s show Americaan Greed

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Dude, Where's My Wallet? Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

@SyndicateExposed,

Actually, it’s been thoroughly documented that Andy’s ass, though large, is actually very smooth. Like a baby’s.

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# 4 October 2010 at 7:54 pm



dvs said:

That was an amazing video, Salty. Did you go through Sandy’s Video Boss course to learn all those fancy editing techniques? You’ve definitely got a future there if you care to take it.

Can’t wait to hear the rest of the stuff from that recording.

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dvs Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

@dvs, D’oh! It dropped my faux html sarcasm tag. First chunk is tongue in cheek.

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# 4 October 2010 at 8:01 pm



niggapls said:

Whas da deal wit ken mcarthy on dis call yo?

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# 4 October 2010 at 8:33 pm



Salty Jedi said:

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Hmmm Posts don’t get deleted huh Jason Jones?

Oh… bet you deleted them by accident on your way to play Call of Duty (just so y’all know – Jason plays COD in Taliban mode. Bet he’s glad he got it before they took it out…)

Who’s running scared now?

Go ahead, give this post “thumbs down” or delete it all together so you can get back to your minion teabagging party. Truth hurts… and you must be whimpering right now.

Or is that your wife telling you to get a fucking job?

LOSER!! ::   -15

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Can't Say Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

@Salty Jedi,

You’re a sad little man.

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Ok Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

@Can’t Say: Careful, he thrives on compliments.

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# 4 October 2010 at 8:41 pm



niggapls said:

Jedi = guru folker

Anyhooo…whas da story on Ken McCartney being called out along with the NLP-trick-girls-to-folk-guy?

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# 4 October 2010 at 8:50 pm



niggapls said:

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Teabagged jedi’s mamma yoda-style

LOSER!! ::   -6

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# 4 October 2010 at 8:52 pm



wtf? said:

wow……what d-bags…..Where’s Walker’s “aww shucks”??

If he’s a pimple on andy’s ass????…..that’s gotta be some pimple…

like the mole Ginny Sack had removed from her ass in the Sopranos

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# 4 October 2010 at 8:57 pm



FuckingNiggerHater said:

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Yeah, you go droid! Love your reporting. You gonna take these suckas out!

LOSER!! ::   -13

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SD Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

This post left by our new not-friend @SaltyJedi …

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

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@SD,

Hate aint cool. Perfect illustration…

LOSER!! ::   -9

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Ok Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

@Salty Jedi, Perfect illustration of what YOU are all about. You ain’t cool.

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

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@Ok,

Ouch.

Just like y’all… other haters can justify their hate.

Peace, out

LOSER!! ::   -10

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Translation Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

“Uh, uh, here’s the thing, I don’t have the affiliates, I’m going to be relying on Syndicate to hit this thing really hard with their 1 Mil people on their lists blah blah”

Translation:

“We both know I’m selling bullshit in a box, and if I just put it out there on a shelf or a site, I’d be lucky to sell it for 5 bucks. That’s where YOU guys come in. It ALL HINGES on the syndicate hyping it up with fake social proof! I need you to make it seem like I’m selling the keys to unlimited Lamborghini’s and Eastern European hookers to all of our lazy narcissists on the warrior forum… IN A BOX. Because if it’s just me saying it, then people are going to laugh and throw donuts at me!”

WINNER!! ::   +7

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wtf Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:57 am

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@FuckingNiggerHater, get a grip on yourself – hating blacks certainly won’t help your predicament. Besides, Salty is not black but his dick is, so keep grabbing your ankles and hold on for the riDE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

LOSER!! ::   -5

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Salty Jedi Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:21 am

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@wtf,

Dude I AM BLACK. Obviously you peeps drink the kool aid and due to the clever feature on this blog that hides the best content… and keeps your IQ low… you have not learned the lesson.

BTW… I’m sure Jason Jones has a nice black dick… at least it’s nice for you and the other minions.

Word has it his wife has no use for it until Jason gets a job…

LOSER!! ::   -8

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T-Bone Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:26 am

@Salty Jedi, you stoopid turd. We’re the guys saying “DON’T DRINK THE KOOL-AID” from the jungle, even as you drones pour the poison down the throats of the clueless. You can’t even use the right METAPHORS, Yoda.

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# 4 October 2010 at 9:01 pm



Syndicate Emergency Meeting! said:

Twas the night before “I totally lost my reputation” and the Syndicunts call an emergency meeting up in the treehouse with the woodburned sign that reads “The Syndicate.”

A fly on the wall hears:

I bet some other gurus are behind this!

How do we put a stop to the droid?

Things they should have been discussing:

Can we keep our employees out of jail?

Can we promise our JV partners that they won’t be named in a class action suit?

How do we survive without our reputations? (hint: you will rise back up under pseudonyms like cockroaches)

WINNER!! ::   +11

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wtf Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:00 am

@Syndicate Emergency Meeting!, crooks don’t trust each other…see how they have been trying to go down the list of other “gurus” and marketers that they think would back stab them? Funny thing is, they all try to run and tell the droid each other’s dirty secrets while smiling in each other’s faces during pre-launch calls and at seminars. It’s playing both sides hoping to get the max out of each side.

Well, sleep well ladies. It’s about to get really exciting!

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# 4 October 2010 at 9:08 pm



Racoon Eyes Mike said:

This a-hole claims he’s not monitoring his comments…he’s be up all night hitting the “delete comment” button, he just erased 3 of mine.

I think this is great…these pricks are running scared and they’re all waiting for Fake Frank (is there a better name for this loser?) to set up a meeting to save their asses. Watch Frank run too

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Liar Crusher Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 12:23 am

@Racoon Eyes Mike,

Yep…the name is Irwin…and it really fits the target…[ insert image of backwoods country fucks from Deliverance ] since he DID crawl out from under a log up in the sticks in the Midwest (seriously) to be living the high life in the super-rich, elite 92037 zip code while the people who work their asses off and go into massive debt to afford the salvation his systems and approaches promise go on foodstamps so their families can survive…because if they can just find the one thing that works, maybe they can be living in the big house in ultra-rich-ville…or at least able to afford a house and food without government assistance…Frank doesn’t care…he’s playing his guitar…and living fat and sassy off your money…which he gets via mainline to your emotions, psyche, dreams, desperation…

The Best Part is he does all of this with ZERO conscience…feels he’s earned it for being scammy enough to wheedle people out of money they don’t have by lying to them during the second Great Depression that they can find the golden road to wealth using his bullflap…if they’ll just shell out more cash for his Maserati payment…oh, that’s OK, he doesn’t care that they just sold their last pint of blood to give him that money…

Irwin Kern is a simple, happy-go-scammy country buttfucker…er, I meant, bumpkin (sure I did)…don’t take my word for it, here’s something I love: Proof!

(Nod to Duff…I snatched your link for time’s sake, Dude…and posted the Tony Robbins Syndic*nt vid, too!)

http://beyondgrowth.net/guru-criticism/warning-motivational-speaker-tony-robbins-is-launching-new-get-rich-quick-internet-scam/

There are plenty of names for Frank…most I like to see as Defendant on court documents, but the ones that come to my mind are…unclean…and for good reason…

Irwin has a “natural” tattoo…did you know that? It’s called: 666.

LC

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# 4 October 2010 at 9:23 pm



Cosmic Connie said:

I’m late to the party as usual, but this is one of your best videos ever, Salty. It’s interesting how the boys go on and on about how insignificant you are — so insignificant that you are apparently part of their marketing strategies now. (Taking a cue from their more “spiritual” cousins the New-Wage/McSpirituality gurus, they try to spin it as you being miffed because they charge big money for their frauducts.)

Meanwhile, their contempt for their marks comes through loud and clear, as it has in the seekrit exchanges you previously posted.

I am glad the Pink Unicorn got a cameo in this vid, though.

WINNER!! ::   +12

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SyndicateExposed Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

@Cosmic Connie,

That’s what they do…

They talk like you are just a ATM machine with a unlimited credit line behind their customers’ backs. These guys are parasites!

To your face they talk like they really care about you. But truthfully that is all an act. Many people are unable to see this because these guys are good at acting like they really care about you.

But they don’t…

Bernie Madoff did the same thing – he acted like he really cared about his clients. Many of them talked about how he talked to them very kindly and he looked like such a kind, nice, generous and honest person who was really out there to help them.

One lady talked about how he behaved like a father to his clients.

The best scam artists are the best actors. These guys do not really care about their “customers”.

Are they slick salesmen? Yes. They know how to manipulate people. You can certainly learn by observation.

WINNER!! ::   +9

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Yep Reply:
October 4th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

@SyndicateExposed,

“The best scam artists are the best actors. These guys do not really care about their “customers”.”

Welcome to the byline of modern society.

The modern heroes, our actors on TV, and our actors in Washington. Yes, I say actors, because our politicians have no substance or oringinality. They are all hype, and they use hype, and everyone is under the assumption today that they are full of it.

Just like a marketer. Saying exactly what you want to hear. Tune in for this politicians speech (oh, you mean, video sales letter).

I hate to deviate from the point of the Syndicate here, but, I believe this a valid “zoomed out” view, as Eben Pagan likes to call it. No, I’m not a fan of him, or any other IM phoney car salesmen.

Just pointing out the source of disrespect here. And that is, lack of substance, originality, effort, etc. Just about every characteristic term you can extract from an IM “Guru” when you think about it, and you take the antonym (opposite) of that word/characteristic, you’ll probably be able to attribute those antonyms to the people you respect / admire the most.

All the world’s a stage.

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SyndicateExposed Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:12 am

@Yep,

Totally agree.

Selling gets corrupted by people who have no real substance and value.

These guys are not teachers or smart. If you want to learn go to the library and a good bookstore as well as getting a mentor. Start applying the knowledge as well.

Influence and persuasion can be used to con or convince people to get something which is good for them.

In my experience, you usually don’t need to sell all the time to make a sale if the product can sell on it’s own.

Do you ever have Steve Jobs pressuring into buying the newest model of the macbooks?

Selling does need to be used at times though for legitimate purposes. And many companies who are 100% legit do sell and use persuasion. Car companies do it. Not all car salesmen are bad.

But in my experience all con artists need to sell HARD… And for lots of money. Using scarcity and other bs.

Also keep in mind that legitimate information writers don’t pressure people into buying their books or courses nor do they come out every month with some new frauduct.

I think the the frauduct launches are also getting really old. Notice how they were talking in the phone call about $2000 is no longer doing it.

They now have to start charging $5000 to make the same money. digusting.

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SyndicateExposed Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:18 am

@SyndicateExposed,

I also think the reason why refund rates are lower with $5000 is because people maybe too ashamed in asking for one.

People don’t want to admit they got conned, made a mistake and they don’t want to face it.

I believe they also feel they won’t get their money back deep inside so they don’t ask for one out of fear of finding out and confirming their suspicions that indeed they were taken.

It’s just hurts a person’s dignity.

We all must care about each other and learn to make the world a better place. I hate see people lose their money. Especially single mothers. That one really breaks my heart.

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SyndicateExposed Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:24 am

@SyndicateExposed,

If anybody needs to get a refund from buying anyone of these bs courses do it NOW!

If they refuse, do a chargeback with your credit card company. They will listen to you and do it.

If they fight the chargeback, you fight back as well. Use all the proof you have.

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It's ugly, and makes the world uglier Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:34 am

@SyndicateExposed,

It’s completely ugly, because they know that it is those naive people who don’t fully understand the internet NOR marketing NOR influence tactics (fake scarcity, fake social proof), that will buy into this hook line and sinker because these guys put on an honest noble front with their images.

THEY KNOW that these naive people are going to be the ones blowing $2000 or $5000, and they know that at least a good chunk, are going to be sticking it on a credit card, and they know they go into it with a gambling mentality that they are betting on a sure thing to get them from a position of insecurity and instability, to a position of security and stability.

And at the end of the day, these guys know that they are – as Mr. Jenkins has alluded – NOT selling a magic bullet at these ridiculous prices to the naive they target.

The Rich who do have that money to blow are not as naive, and certainly won’t need to thumb around with IM, because if they made their money there, and they’re already rich, they don’t need these guys to amplify whatever they are doing. They already know what works.

These guys are solely targeting the naive at these price points and with their methods they use in these scams. And a 30-day refund is NO JUSTIFICATION, because you don’t fully make things right when you lower the general trust of the public and contribute to the world being an ugly scamfest.

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Can't Say Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 6:35 am

@SyndicateExposed,

I think you’re right. You made a lot of very valid points why people don’t ask for refunds at that price level.

Anyone who spends that amount on a “business in a box” breaks my heart. I know they’re trying to reach for a dream that they were doomed to failure from the very beginning.

As wonderful as Salty is, there needs to be a sister/brother blog to go along with this for recovery. Who will be there to support these people coming out of their pipe dream?

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Mathias Reply:
October 8th, 2010 at 8:52 am

@SyndicateExposed,

5000 dollars for the same old shit you paid 2000 bucks for a few months ago … Not too over the top is it?

Inflation guys, don’t forget the shitty frauduct-launch inflation… Price justification, Value, whatever…

Just max out your credit card and get the fucking thing…

Andy wants beer(and pizza) The gnome wants a pair of new legs…

Make a doncation…

Or “By Now” imagine how good it feels to “make that” donation as not-doctor Joe Vitale would have said it.

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Cosmic Connie Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:32 am

@SyndicateExposed, You nailed it. It’s all about fake concern and love and “feeling our pain.” Same deal with the gurus on my regular beat. Mr. Fire, for instance, signs every email to his list, “Love, Joe.” And he has frequently said that his marketing and indeed his entire life’s work are all about “love.” Apparently some folks are still buying into that.

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Mathias Reply:
October 8th, 2010 at 10:55 am

@Cosmic Connie,

The story of Mathias Meeting with Joe Vitale, (Mr Fire) or whatever

So I went to the the woods to meet with guru Vitale, I was looking for miracles and coaching… no wait, just miracles… no coaching.

And There he stood, outside a little hut made of wood, dressed as an ogre.(for reasons i do not know)

Guru-Joe is a spiritual master, the next minute he’s something else. Always trying to potray himself as something he’s not.

He welcomed me and immditately said something that stirred my curiosity,(Oh The Guru started speaking)
he said he was going to let me in on a secret(no shit)

The revelation would shock(mostly disturbe) his fans and should therebfore be kept a “secret”

He was going to drop the bomb…

Joe: “By now” most of you don’t know it, but there are really two Joe Vitale´s in this world…
Aaarrrgh!!!(Lots of divine anger And universal discontempemt)

Two Joe Joe’s?

He went on to say:

“One of them is an average Joe,(who sell weird hypno mumbo jumbo on the internet and who speaks at hoopooonooo seminars.) he’s got no skill and no integrity, just a rat. “That will be me.”

He looked at me aggresively:
But there’s a “missing key”
“A missing key?”

“That’s right, theres a missing key”

He explained it in this way:

“You see, The other Joe is much different from the original, you know, me.

“He doesn’t really exist, he is what i call a Spiritual entity(hint, made up person)
I Created him for the sole purpose of marketing, so that i could make a lot of money for me, the real joe”(flesh and blood Hawain Hypno-man)

“He’s like a strawman, A public persona…a fake-celebrity you might say.”

“My fans are not really worshipping me, they are worshipping my strawman, but i make all the money”(laughter)

He then went into details about this relationship between not cool average-joe and his make-believe spiritual other being

Joe: “It’s a beatiful relationship.” “It assists me in selling fake-hope, i also invent miracles btw” And then there’s my “hypnotic writing” … it gets the job done”

We talked for the rest of the night.

As it got late, he invited me to sleep in the hut, on a piece of wood. He prepared a meal, it was baked-beans, or magic baked beans as he called it.

We were hungry, so we ate the darn thing before Joe started talking again. He loves the sound of his own voice and he really likes to talk about his closest friends.

One of them being O’brien. O’brien is a musician and he likes to play guitar. But Joe thinks he takes this music-thing a little too far”

(referring to the Bp Oil Audio Clearing)

“it just doesn’t work”. I know it, but he still beliefs… can you believe it? he still beliefs… .(fake laughter)

“Intentions are for wimps my friend, intentions are for wimps, damn it, i want some of those oil-billions.

I could sense Joe The Guru Vitale was not in the mood for company no more.
And so we said goodbye

I learned a lot from Joe. About my self, the universe and how to take other people’s money.
He Even promised me a future ride in one of his rolls royce.
I now belief Joe is a good old man. He’s really nice, he’s humble and he just wants money.

So all in all, I had a fun trip to the woods. Me and Joe had some mushrooms too btw, joe told me not to say anything but heck… It’s Hypnotic Publicity

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Carlon Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 1:15 am

@Cosmic Connie, I like the way they say how they want to give a recording of the call to their customers but edit out the part about Salty Droid. I thought they’d use the tried and true “Salty is jealous of our success” bit.

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# 4 October 2010 at 9:34 pm



The Revealer said:

Gotta give you credit here…

You deserve an OSCAR for your video editing here!

It was fucking amazing!

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# 4 October 2010 at 9:35 pm



LOLOLOLOL said:

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

The absolute GREAT thing about this blog is that it’s like a long running soap opera.

You can skip days, weeks – YEARS, come back and feel like you never left.

That’s due to the dry, unoriginal story lines. BOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

Of course this will be buried by your lapdogs for (ahem) low comment rating (although I have to admit – that part is genius. Now you never have to say you delete comments).

Come on Jason. With your skill at writing you’d think there would be original shit here. It’s like watching an old dried up comedian from the 80′s trying to make a come-back…

…with all the same old shit material.

Why don’t you try digging up real stories? You have the same 10 or 20 idiots posting the same “old hag pussy” responses too. You trained them well, you did.

What I think is REALLY hilarious is watching a lawyer call everyone else liars and cheats. Didn’t you assholes invent that concept??? Your mother would be proud…

Loser.

LOSER!! ::   -11

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SyndicateExposed Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:22 am

@LOLOLOLOL,

Jerk off here —> Playboy.com

Otherwise fuck off.

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niggapls Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:03 am

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@LOLOLOLOL, yo you tryin to con the con men now? Niggapls. Rat tat tatyer my bitch now.

LOSER!! ::   -7

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wtf Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:42 am

what’s with all this nigga and “nigger” shit?? Are you bat shit insane now? What is the connection

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# 4 October 2010 at 11:51 pm



Good video editing said:

Curious, what software do you primarily use to make these videos?

Vegas? Premiere?

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DavidM Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:11 am

@Good video editing,

It’s Apple Keynote.

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T-Bone Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:22 am

@DavidM, “Apple Keynote” – is this a new $5997 info-product coaching program seminar?

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DavidM Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:37 am

@T-Bone,

No, it’s the Mac equivalent of Powerpoint – http://www.apple.com/iwork/keynote/

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# 5 October 2010 at 2:01 am



niggapls said:

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Lol why can’t you got real shhit like folking audio? Lol lol

LOSER!! ::   -6

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# 5 October 2010 at 2:05 am

Salty Droid is the best! I love this guy! - Black Hat Forum Black Hat SEO said:

[...] Salty Droid is the best! I love this guy! http://saltydroid.info/syndicate-shit-storm/ [...]

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# 5 October 2010 at 2:34 am



KrankFern said:

wow! 1,000,000 emails to get 750 sales! These guys really know how to market.. with a 0.00075% conversion rate and Jeff’s 30% refund rate (oh wait he got it down to just 18%), it totally makes sense to pay $5000 a month for coaching.

I want to know how to get such impressive numbers!

/end sarcasm

WINNER!! ::   +12

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Not Johnny C. Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 5:20 am

@KrankFern, That’s what I was thinking! Now wouldn’t it be interesting to hear what old man Johnny C. has to say about the conversion his top students are producing? After all, real salesmanship has no regard for price. Right John? John?… John? No doubt you are reading this, too, John.

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Correction Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:43 am

@KrankFern, it’s actually a .075% conversion rate, but who’s counting?

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KrankFern Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

@Correction,

.075% # holds true for 10,000 emails going out.

Now, I’m not setting the record straight just to correct your correction; rather to show how atrocious these conversion goals really are!

.00075%!! Are you serious?! Andy Jenkins the non-conversion specialist. He’s a dirty spammer that doesn’t even have his own list..

/start sarcasm

I really hope I can be a *boss one day!

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Jack Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

@KrankFern, The guy who commented here who bought and liked the videoboss product at about nearly the Jeff “ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,” Walker price said:

“Andy’s course wasn’t just about editing video, it was about writing scripts. Creating sales videos, creating video products, using green screen . . . and doing it for marketing purposes. It was a specialized niche product for internet marketing.”

Maybe was the “specialized niche” the WOMBAT niche?
http://www.alsindependence.com/Internet_Slang.htm

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Arnie Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

@KrankFern, It could be even worse than that. Wasn’t it a collective LIST of 1,000,000 people? And isn’t it common that each mailer will send out MULTIPLE emails to the same people? That could be 6 to 8 MILLION emails to achieve 500-750 sales. That is absolutely, positively horrendous.

That isn’t even marketing, that’s brute force.

And these guys are positioning themselves as “role models?”

Unless you have access to a MILLION people, can shove out 6-8 million emails, and have a PRIVATE CLUB to help you…

THESE ARE NOT ANYONE’S ROLE MODELS!

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# 5 October 2010 at 3:41 am



Wiggin-Out said:

Below is one of Mikes (ridiculous & immature) comments from his latest post – It’s like being back in a playground reading his fruitless attempts at justifying his scam filled life..

“No the bad marketers are. Jason Jones is a sad human being and I pitty him. And you for following him. I will deal with him soon. Jason Jones will finally hear from me. Now go run to his hate blog and warn him about me. I will expose him for the low life he his. Go now minion, go run to your powerful OZ. Jason Jones, you reading this. Get your costume on and make your post. It’s my turn. A sad human being will now be seen for what he is.”

So here it is then SD – I’m warning you from Mike (chuckling hysterically) I know you must be quaking in your droid boots (sigh!)

You really do have these boys on the run and grasping at straws. I’m so intrigued to see where this all ends up – but ultimately I am impressed with how much money you have already saved and will continbue to save, newbie, desperate folks who are looking to find ways to make some money to support their families. And for that, you are a legend!

WINNER!! ::   +9

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mikefilsaimeinder Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 4:41 am

@Wiggin-Out, the synidicate will not change they claim to be good marketers but they do not know how to create traffic of their own their whole operations is all about hype and convincing b team losers to send them leads that is what the whole system hinges on and all they know so they cannot make changes to what they are doing they will continue until the launches lose more effectiveness or until they end up in trouble with the ftc even press stories and total ruin of their reputation won’t stop them witness the james ray no stopping him until jail so filsaime will try to fight back but will epic fail.

What is funny is that the guurs hate their cutstomers. Mikey hated the people and said all were dumb. They hate the people they con the people and they don’t trust each other either because they know they are all predators. Walker presented himself to some of the product launch manager translate customers he tried to groom into b team bit players for his control as above Mikey. As Mikey as the exreme bad boy junk seller and him as better and Mikey hates Walker too but Walker is as sleazy as any of them.

Look at Eben./ Do you really think that is a person you would want to hang out with? A dating gugur with no woman for a reason. Sandy? Would you want to have a beer with him. They are disgusting as indidividuals too. They are loathers, loath their customers, loath each other, loach themselves all they know is to groom b team people and sell.

WINNER!! ::   +7

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SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

@Wiggin-Out ::

I’m looking forward to finding out more about this Jason fellow … sounds like a real hateful bastard.

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# 5 October 2010 at 4:11 am



MazeMan said:

MF said, “As I said, this week I will address Jason and his hate confused followers.”

My question: If Salty is truly wrong and merely blowing smoke (as MF purports) why hasn’t Mike Salami (aka MF) or any of the other so-called “wealthy” gurus started legal action months ago?

If Salty was wrong at the outset, they should have been all over him. And since they all make so much money (cough, cough), hiring a law firm shouldn’t be a financial strain. And since Salty’s case had no merit, then legal action should be swift, simple and not to costly.

Yet, none of that has happened. And the ‘Beave’ asks, “Golly gee, why not?”

Oh, and Mike Salami’s open letter to J.V.’s has zero to do with Salty or this blog. It is all merely coincidental since SD is nothing more than a pimple.

If Salami truly thinks anyone believes that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell him. Naturally, it comes with a $20K/mo hidden maintenance continuity contract.

WINNER!! ::   +10

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Jack Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

@MazeMan, Why can it be that someone would have to need to EXPLAIN that they won’t promote the fraud scheming stuff?

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# 5 October 2010 at 4:32 am



T-Bone said:

“Biggest threat is Ken McCarthy”

Why?

Is Ken a good guy, or a bad guy?

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Getout Scammers Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:37 am

@T-Bone, If you’re a bad guy to the bad guys, you’re obviously a good guy.

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Unicorn Army Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

@T-Bone,

Bad guy. Different cartel.

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SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

@T-bone ::

Ken McCarthy and Mike Long are competitors … and participators in marketplace intrigue. They are most definitely NOT good guys.

Bad guys have lots of enemies that are also bad guys … the majority in fact.

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# 5 October 2010 at 7:08 am



mikefilsaimeinder said:

I sipped some bourboun thinking about the droid today big post and the mikey try to attack back a big sign of turning points in internet marketing world and syndicate.

I have a lot to say.

Ok these guys are not cutting edge. They think they are but they are playing internet games from four years ago. Internet is changing and the droid is part of that change they cannot control perceptions of them they cannot control the blog world and twitter and social media truth gets out.

500 sales out of a million is pitiful and this is why b team players never make money. They are tuahgt to obey and mimic the syndicate guru and think if they can make sales for the guru that they can get on the inside track if they make enough of them they are pretty much told that Jeff walker says this is how you get our attention in his b team maker course.

Thing is no one can do it because the conversion numbers so poor. There is not a single b team person that graduated into the snydicate 12 ever.

Think about that b team dreamer buying into the bizop.

Syndicate only has one trick masses of b team players sending them leads. That is the only thing they do. Without that they have nothing. Thye do not create traffic themselves. They spend no money on marketing traffic. Frank Kern releases courses on ppc and runs no ppc it is a joke google middle finger up his ass.

John Reese traffic secrets and only secret he has is his friends. Reese was once a smart man looked up to now he is just a syndicate pawn and a walking joke.

Ok, with that being onlt trick they are in danger and they know it. You listen to this and hear the anger and senssitivity Jenkins has about his repuation and “fuck it” the anger. The part you put up their is all Walker convincing Jenkins to go for the high prices because he wants them to stay priced high so it is all him talking him into buying that and dismissing the critics so he will feel good.

They have no innovation no creatitivty they are playing a trick from four years ago and internet is changing and will make them obsolete.

But they will do nothing to adapt or change because they only play one trick. They need the masses of b team and when b team no longer belives game is up. Then they will open up boiler rooms and work with crooks beyond the pale oh yeah already doing that.

This is their peak launches will do worse in two years game over. They keep riding down to it no longer works completely or they end up in FTC trouble which they should be already.

Sign of desperation is the mikey they feel they have to fight back and that will be interesting.

They loath their customers and email people you can hear that in the audio. They loath each other too. Walker told several product luanc manager b team creator program that Mikey not to be trusted becaue he will sell dirt. Mikey no like Walker they loath each other and Frank Kern has to be go between for them. Reese manic depressive who dissapears and Frank has to go find him for the others. They think he is weirdo. Ed Dale creepy. They all loath each other because they all know each is a predator no can trust. So they loath themselves on inside.

Would you want to go to a bar and drink with Sandy? With Eben dating guru with no woman? With Mikey or creep Ed?

If you are b team you are a sucker. You make no money and blame yourself when the system created by syndicate is not set up to make you money but only them.

Look at stompernet. They didn’t even pay those affiliates. Anyone promoting sandy kanibai shit is a loser. 500 in a million is 0.0005 conversion rate on a average b team list of 10,000 that is 5 sales and half refund you make 2.5 sales.

Game over.

WINNER!! ::   +12

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Sucks Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:30 am

@mikefilsaimeinder,

Isn’t that just a testament to all of the hype these guys hawk about “the power of copywriting”, when they say things like “we should be able to get 500 out of a million”

Yeah. More like power of copywriting to repel and make people puke when they see their tacky try-hard sales pitches.

Ok. Let’s take a principle from marketing that is true: The market matures and changes.

Ok. What happens now? When the “market” for info products is matured and newly conditioned to reject info products because these guys killed the reputation? When people are still skeptical even when they see a supposed social proof bonanza in front of them of people that supposedly say it’s great.

This sucks. It’s moronic to say that an info product is a scam. Even though most are, some guy might have some genuinely helpful knowledge or a method he devised, and wants to use an ebook as a medium with low barrier to entry.

But guys like these have single-handedly helped “mature this market” into a perception that all ebooks are worthless scams. Just like this same crowd of lame abusive marketers almost completely killed email if spam filters didn’t save the day (and they still aren’t perfect).

It sucks.

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LOL you need to try harder Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:15 am

@Sucks, We all know better and this has nothing to do with ebooks, because most of the dbags on here sell seminars, coaching programs and DVD’s along with their ebooks. I still visit the bookstore and read books, recently purchased an ebook on ancient alchemy for $10, have attended a seminar online about which paint brushes are best for oil paintings, and I recently purchased a DVD of Avatar. So your assumption that we all hate ebooks now and avoid any and all ebooks is quite silly.

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Getout Scammers Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

@LOL you need to try harder, I buy ebooks almost every day. They cost an average of about $10 and they’re quite nice on my Kindle.

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SyndicateExposed Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

@Getout Scammers,

Ebooks are now being used by legit writers. B&N came out with the Nook and Amazon with the kindle.

The problem is that many people have used ebooks to make money in a dishonest way.

But now REAL writers who actually love writing and actually care about their customers & readers are now using it.

millions of dollars is being put into development by B&N and Amazon.

You can also publish your ebook with Barnes & noble for FREE… Zero costs and get exposure to MILLIONS of readers.

Sign up @ Pubit.com

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Unicorn Army Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

@mikefilsaimeinder, it’s not really 500 out of a million, because that “million” is *maybe* 200,000 people. At least 80% of them have long ceased to read the endless promotional emails that go out. That’s why he’s so desperate to get the whole “team” to mail all at once. 5-10x as many chances to get someone to pay attention. If they all pitch in, they’ll still only get the attention of less than 5% of that million. Therefore the machine needs fresh blood all the time, which comes from the “B team.” The Droid’s activities here threaten their blood supply more than anything.

WINNER!! ::   +7

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# 5 October 2010 at 7:17 am



William Pagan Fookin Wallace said:

Oi!

Did you know this fun fact mate!?

Eben Pagan had a KED! A KED MATE! He used them sedooction skills to pick up someone. And not just anyone. WILLIAM FOOKIN WALLACE!

And do you know what happened mate?! Well I’ll tell ya!

They had a KED!

And here he is! The ked of Eben Pagan, and William Fookin Wallace, the B-Lista of B-listas!

Eben Pagan Fookin Wallace!:

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William Pagan Fookin Wallace Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:47 am

@William Pagan Fookin Wallace,

Oi!

An in this one, ya can I see I got me hair coot just like me dad, an I got the outer glow around my body just like me dad in his videos!

Plus I give ya some tips on boogits!

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mikefilsaimeinder Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:45 am

@William Pagan Fookin Wallace, this is what happens to b-team they join they lose their manhood. this is what happens when you let yorself be conned

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Hard to watch Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

Pitiful
right up there with the family testimonials.
That was actually hard to watch – like Mystery trying to pee ..

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Bo Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:46 am

@William Pagan Fookin Wallace, Now that’s funny shit!

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# 5 October 2010 at 7:32 am



Salty Jedi said:

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Y’all are boring me.

LOSER!! ::   -10

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Lex Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:52 am

@Salty Jedi, Your use of “y’all” in your gibberish-speak indicates you realize you are the lone turd in the punch bowl. And since you know that, it also makes you village idiot. Good job of self-marginalization.

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# 5 October 2010 at 9:32 am



Dolly's Straight Cousin said:

SD – first off – amazing audio – got me all feeling Three Days of the Condor/The Conversation. Ethical schadenfreude indeed, or should that be fraudsterfreude.

Nice video skills as well. Cannot believe some of the stuff that’s coming out – inaresting times also re MF’s & FK blog posts – though MF’s stuff appears to have been written by a 12 year old girl.

Some pointless observations after having read your blog over the last couple of weeks.(Imnersive Droiding)

What is the obsession with Kool Aid comments? I’ve never drunk it (cyanided or otherwise) – does that make me sad or a loser?

There seems to be a direct relationship between the stupity of comments and their homophobic content. Sometimes it can feel like reading Ubertube comments that appear to be mostly written by 14 year old virgin excited at the prospect of semi public swearing. Mother’s basements optional.

Speaking of which what is the obsession with mother’s basements?

As a British person I also feel slighted at the continual teabagging references – mixing tea with gay sex practices is just not the sort of thing that’s done in polite society. Next you’ll be telling me there’s a Teabagging Party.

I will save my own sad story for later or perhaps never. Thanks for all you’re doing though. I will now head off to the green pastured hills to consider whether I prefer being a sheeple, a minion, a hater, a loser or some delightful combination of them all.

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Kann Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:13 am

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@Dolly’s Straight Cousin,

“What is the obsession with Kool Aid comments? I’ve never drunk it (cyanided or otherwise) – does that make me sad or a loser?”

When people follow another person, and watch what they do…for example, about 90% of the people who comment in the comments section of this blog are drinking saltydroid’s “koolaid”…especially that Duff guy, who happens to run a personal development blog…OH THE IRONY!!!

“There seems to be a direct relationship between the stupity of comments and their homophobic content. Sometimes it can feel like reading Ubertube comments that appear to be mostly written by 14 year old virgin excited at the prospect of semi public swearing. Mother’s basements optional.”

This is 100% true. Those same 90% of the people who comment in here are living in their mom’s basement.

“As a British person I also feel slighted at the continual teabagging references – mixing tea with gay sex practices is just not the sort of thing that’s done in polite society. Next you’ll be telling me there’s a Teabagging Party.”

Oh. Good. Lord. No teabagging parties please.

“I will save my own sad story for later or perhaps never. Thanks for all you’re doing though. I will now head off to the green pastured hills to consider whether I prefer being a sheeple, a minion, a hater, a loser or some delightful combination of them all.”

I’m going to join you. Yay.

LOSER!! ::   -6

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The Illiterati Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

@Dolly’s Straight Cousin, You wrote: “though MF’s stuff appears to have been written by a 12 year old girl.”

I had to read certain parts of Mike’s post twice just to understand what he was trying to say. I guess that’s what happens when you get used to hiring copywriters… but then feel “inspired” and attempt to write something on your own.

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# 5 October 2010 at 9:57 am



wishing said:

It would be nice if there was a plug-in that let’s us mark posts as “read” so we can quickly catch up with new posts and not have to scan through everything to catch a few new posts scattered about.

“wishing”

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MazeMan Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:00 am

@wishing,

Get a Google Reader account. Then use the “subscribe to these comments via RSS.” below to subscribe to these comments. You’ll get an update of what has been added.

If you don’t know what Google Reader is, search Youtube. You’ll find plenty of tutorials.

Ciao!

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wishing Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

@MazeMan, thank you.

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Ed Dale Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

Just being helpful

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Justsomeguy Reply:
April 29th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

@Ed Dale,

You know you could have charged $1997 for that if you said it on a video? LOL

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# 5 October 2010 at 10:34 am



Rafael Marquez said:

Great video Salty! Dunno how you get this stuff, but thanks for sharing!

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# 5 October 2010 at 11:02 am



Thank You SD! said:

I came across your blog SD not too long ago and man do I wish I would’ve discovered it sooner.

This post and the other syndicate related post (http://saltydroid.info/the-internet-marketing-syndicate) have been music to my ears.

Sadly I fell into the trap of these d-bags…yes I was gullible to follow their advice but I jumped on board since everyone else seemed to be riding that train.

Ended up launching my own product at $497 to the IM community.

What a stupid idea.

Luckily my launch was a flop…now – something tells me it was a flop because I didn’t form my own scammy trade union (syndicate).

Now that I see Jeff Walker’s true colors I can’t stand the idea of ‘price fixing’ just to get into people’s wallets…talk about compromising integrity.

I am so GLAD I escaped this darkness in the IM community. And if it weren’t for Salty and this blog I know I’d still be subscribed to these d-bags.

I have now re-structured my business model and even though it probably means less income in the short run I feel like a HUGE burden has been lifted off my shoulders now that I have escaped these scam artists and mushroom smokers.

Now I know what the heck I’m doing and I know I’ll be able to sleep more sound at night.

Thank you Salty for leading me (and I’m sure many others) down the right path.

WINNER!! ::   +11

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Getout Scammers Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

@Thank You SD!, Mushroom “eaters”. Psylocybes are ingested. Usually with a glob of peanutbutter to kill the cow crap flavor.

  +1

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# 5 October 2010 at 11:17 am



Dog-a-Log said:

Id just like to add that these scammers aren’t representative of mushroom taking society at large.

WINNER!! ::   +17

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SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

@Dog-a-Log ::

Agreed … d-bags are better fit with the “toilet seat Adderall” society.

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# 5 October 2010 at 12:32 pm



Dan Kennedy Exposed said:

>> I never thought about this, but Frank Kern postures himself as this “Laid back surfer dude”, but does he even surf? I looked through YouTube for videos of him surfing and came up empty. So Does he really surf, or is that just an artificial persona?

Of course you came up empty… because Frank Kern was made over to appear to be some laid back surfer dude.

We call him the “Albino of San Diego” in my neck of the woods.

Same deal with Jason Moffatt:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqy4OXi7E0
(I just suffered through 6:47 minutes of this again… totally totally lame and unfunny.)

… Just like Larry the Cable Guy:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIWO5LgUZ28

… Just like Ron White:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4RtUj5JNfQ

You’re under a spell, folks. There are puppetmasters behind the scenes that make over your heroes, gurus, experts and stars. It goes very deep. Most of the sheeple will never understand.

You’ve been had.

WINNER!! ::   +8

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SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

@Dan Kennedy Exposed ::

I like seeing Jason Moffat fail … but that still made me uncomfortable.

I wonder what trip to vegas that was from … he says he was at a bachelor party at Sky Lounge … eating mushrooms. Wasn’t Filsaime’s party with the rented girls at Sky Lounge?

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Lance Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

@SD, Moffatt took a standup comedy class in LA not long ago, and was allowed a few minutes’ stage time at the Comedy Store there. Obviously, he needs to keep his day job, which is…?

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Bo Reply:
October 7th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

@Lance, LOL, Moffat got scammed by the same tactics he himself uses on his “list”. There is NO “learning” doing stand up comedy from a class – you watch good comedians that YOU find funny and observe WHY they make people laugh – These “stand up comedy classes” were talked last week on the Joe Rogan podcast (he is an accomplished stand up comedian) with guest Doug Stanhope and they both agreed it was a scam (this is the exact podcast – http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9774114). They concluded that watching comedy AND practising on open-mike nights is the BEST way of doing it.

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Saline Robot Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

@Dan Kennedy Exposed, He probably should not have ended his set with the dyke/nuts joke. It just didn’t go over well. It was funnier when I first told a variant of it when I was 13.

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# 5 October 2010 at 1:07 pm



Cosmic Connie said:

A moviemercial whose time has come?
http://tinyurl.com/24kft92

WINNER!! ::   +10

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_cartman_ Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

@Cosmic Connie,

Nice work

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Cosmic Connie Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

@_cartman_, @Ryan Healy Thanks! (And I suspect Salty already has more than a moviemercial’s worth of material.)

  +4

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Ryan Healy Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

@Cosmic Connie, Brilliant. Love the title: “What the Bleep Bloop!?”

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SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

@Cosmic Connie ::

Awesome!

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Cosmic Connie Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

@SD, What can I say…you’re an inspiration. :-)

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Skippy Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

@Cosmic Connie, Nice! I want the deluxe version with the director’s commentary.

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Cosmic Connie Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 10:17 am

@Skippy, If it’s a Salty Droid product, you can’t *avoid* the director’s commentary. (Thank goodness.)

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# 5 October 2010 at 2:41 pm



SyndicateExposed said:

*****MESSAGE TO THE SYNDICATE******

This my last post on this blog post…

And I will say this… You guys are fucking DONE… Your fraud business will not make a fucking penny from now on. Salty Droid is getting A LOT MORE exposure than you will ever get…

And your reputation is gone. You guys have been officially served.

I suggest you start applying for some jobs. List your homes on the market and downsize. Sell your expensive cars and buy something more affordable. Even if you don’t have a mortgage, those property taxes are very expensive and maintaining those homes are expensive too. And even if you don’t have car payments, the gas, insurance and maintenance on those cars are quite expensive.

Go find a job! Because this post & video has killed all your credibility of which little you had anyway.

I also suggest you shut down all your websites, IF you are smart.

Bottom Line: You guys are done! It’s the end. This shit is so incriminating, you can expect that some government agency is probably monitoring this site for more evidence for prosecution and you can bet they are probably monitoring you as well.

If I was you. I would shut down all my websites, legally shutdown my legal entities, sell my house, my cars, cut up my credit cards, pay off any debt I owe and leave the state.

Change my name, delete my facebook and find a job as well as living in a normal house and driving a normal car. I might even leave the country, in fact that would probably be the only thing which can protect since staying in the US risks you guys getting arrested due to the amount of incriminating evidence.

But you guys well probably continue on like idiots even after your business is no longer profitable thanks to Salty Droid who exposed you clearly for the pieces of shit that you are. I bet the authorities will end it my raiding your offices and homes.

WINNER!! ::   +16

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Playing with fire Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

@SyndicateExposed,

The “syndicate” is now officially playing with fire.

It’s one thing to say they aren’t doing anything or holding anyone at gunpoint.

It’s another thing to admit that they are using very shady and abusive tactics, and it wouldn’t be the first time in history that the authorities targeted the group that is the pack leader in a very shady market just to set an example to everyone else of what not to do.

These 5 or 6 guys would be that example. There’s enough angry people that the authorities probably almost have a green light to do this kind of thing.

It’s happened to multiple people in other shady industries.

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Jack Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:32 am

@SyndicateExposed, Maybe is that why John Reese sold all his stuff?

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# 5 October 2010 at 2:55 pm



rawrman said:

Props dood. These guys have been ruining our industries for years and cost legit companies and agencies millions. Good work, love it.

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# 5 October 2010 at 4:05 pm



IhateThemToo said:

Gee what comes into my e-mail today. Jenkins latest frauduct Kajabi. A platform to make sales pages on. Who in the hell is going to trust their data to that criminal? Sure let me put my sales page on your server, do well possibly, you can view my reports, and then make a better offer.

Look at who he is touting is using the platform already. The usual circle jerks.

Also got an e-mail from Rich Schefren today explaining his separation from the Syndicunts. Just more proof sites like these work and the ripples are turning to waves.

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Alejandro Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

@IhateThemToo,

Kajabi Affiliate Commission Schedule

1.1 Kajabi will pay 30% of total received start up fees ($99.00 across all packages)
1.2 Kajabi will pay 30% of monthly reoccurring fees for as long as long as a Kajabi customer remains a customer. This applies to all Packages – Starter, Professional, and Ultra.

Publicly available via site:kajabi.com on Google.com, as seen below …
http://get.kajabi.com/disclaimers/97

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Told-You-So Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

@IhateThemToo,

“Also got an e-mail from Rich Schefren today explaining his separation from the Syndicunts. Just more proof sites like these work and the ripples are turning to waves.”

Any way you can post that email? I’ve long unsubscribed from all those guys and I don’t see if online anywhere yet.

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IhateThemToo Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

@Told-You-So,

Here you go…

Hey Possible Person That Can Give Me More Money,

I’m writing you today to answer a frequently asked
question we’ve received from many of our readers
over the last 12 months, specifically…

“Where’s Rich?”

You’ve probably noticed, too, that I have been
conspicuously absent from most of the major
product launches, for quite a while.

And you may have wondered why I haven’t written
another one of my game-changing special reports
for the general public in 2 years.

Well, let’s begin with something I need to share
with you. You see, I feel I owe you an apology.

Because I feel I have let you down.

Here’s how it happened, and what I’m going to do
about it.

It’s been more than 2 years now, since I decided I
wanted nothing to do with what has become the
“sleazy” world of Internet marketing.

The politics. The back-scratching. The pitch fests
void of clearly “actionable” ideas. The “good ole
boys club” … and everything that comes along
with playing “the guru game.”

I saw the writing on the wall 2 years ago. Which
I’m sure by now you have undoubtedly seen for
yourself.

So where have I been? Unplugged from the circus
that Internet marketing has become. To spend time
with my clients. Some of them high-level “big
business” clients. And spending a massive amount
of time researching, and getting clear on how to
proceed independently of all the bad stuff going
on in Internet marketing circles.

Including building a business I am very proud of
right now, that is helping thousands of people,
without my having to do the guru dance every 3
months…

And figuring out how you and I can move forward to
build REAL businesses in a sea of carnival barkers.

It’s actually a bit embarrassing, to realize that
even though I helped 90% of today’s Internet
marketing “gurus” rise to prominence and
prosperity, most of which are truly helping the
community and their markets…

…there is a portion of that 90% who have
approached what I see as an ethical line in
operating their businesses, and crossed it.

So it all comes down to this…

I now realize I have done you an injustice by
removing myself from Internet marketing. Only to
leave you to the wolves. And for this I hope you
will forgive me.

Rest assured, I clearly realize the critical error
I’ve made in carrying on my relationship with you.
And have already begun making amends, making
this right for you in a BIG way.

(And just in case you’re wondering, this message
is in no way connected to a product launch, a big
offer or an evil scheme to build my list.)

Over the next week or two, I’m here to re-welcome
you to the Strategic Profits family. A family I truly
appreciate.

You’ll hear more about this very important
announcement (that directly concerns you) on Friday.

And today, to help me be sure I am on the best
track to help you with your needs in today’s
environment… to again be your beacon of truth
and reason (without the smoke and mirrors you see
in almost every product launch that hits your inbox)…

I am asking for a favor from you. Simply, that you
help me help you to rise above the current
economic conditions, and the sad state of the
Internet marketing community.

Starting next week, I will be answering questions
from readers like you by email, on a weekly basis.

And to get the ball rolling, I need your input.

So if you’re still with me, visit this short
questionnaire I’ve set up for you:

Submit Your Question Here

You’ll be able to tell me where you are in your
business right now, along with your most pressing
challenges. The one’s that are keeping you up at
night.

When you’ve completed it, I have a special treat
for you. One that will show you what I’ve been
doing lately. What I’ve been thinking. A peek at
the “new Rich.”

It’s an interview like I’ve never done before.
With a business authority like you’ve never heard.
An unusual interview sure to rock your world. Like
you used to expect from me regularly.

And this is only the beginning. Because for you
and all of my loyal readers, I’m happy to say…

Baby, I’m back!

To higher profits,

Rich

P.S. And to really get the ball rolling, I have an
important assignment for you. Ignore at your own
risk.

I’ve recently updated the special report that
started it all… “The Internet Business Manifesto”
with a new beginning and end. Both will help
everyone who reads it get on top of their game
and stay there.

Download The Updated Manifesto Here

Whether you read The Manifesto four years ago,
last month… or never. Put this on your “to do”
list tonight. Especially if it’s been more than
six months.

One of the biggest secrets successful business
owners practice is “revisiting” the fundamentals
of business and marketing… on a regular basis.

Look, we all get busy. It’s easy to forget the basics
when you’re working on something new. But this is
the most important time TO review the basics.

When you do, you’ll immediately see what I mean.

Stray from the fundamentals, and you’re setting
yourself up for failure.

So make some time tonight, or right now. And give
yourself a much needed “tune up” that will give
you a boost like you’ve never imagined.

Download The Updated Manifesto Here

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typical Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

@IhateThemToo,

Another IM guy trying to secure his livelihood by being a rat jumping away from the sinking ship.

At the end of the mail, in typical fashion, the throws in his “free report” type pitch so you can get your foot in the door even more with your personal time investment (which you already have if you unfortunately read all of that dribble that could’ve been summed up in “ahh! ship going down! I don’t know those guys! ahhh!”)

WINNER!! ::   +10

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Jack Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:44 am

@IhateThemToo, “Hey Possible Person That Can Give Me More Money,”

LOl!

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wtf? Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

@Told-You-So, can you post the email from Rich

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Rodney Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

@IhateThemToo, Good point. If you use Andy Jenkins’ “services,” you are not only PAYING them, but you are handing them access to YOUR innermost private data. Do you trust them to not exploit it? Think again!

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IhateThemToo Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

@Rodney,

It will be interesting to see the purchase agreement for Kajabi if there is any wording about data access, e-mail list access, etc… And in the end no matter what anyone says there has to be an admin account that can go into your shizzle and view your stuff.

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Jack Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:41 am

@IhateThemToo, Is it a serious question or a joke? Maybe the man who claims to love DEA Schedule I magical mushrooms will promise not to be tripping while he has logged into a master account?

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Jack Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:52 am

@IhateThemToo, oh now i see i misread your post. sorry.

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Jack Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:38 am

@IhateThemToo, That was nice of mr. Schefren to build those giant syndicate bombs and then leave it to SD to defuse them.

WINNER!! ::   +7

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# 5 October 2010 at 6:27 pm



Alejandro said:

The video itself is incredibly entertaining and very revealing. Well done. Very, very, well done. Some parts are hilarious. You truly are gifted, Salty Droid.

There are approximately 340+ comments at the time of my posting. There are two things people can do if they have an interest in spreading the word about this blog. For many, this is their favorite soap opera. With good reason, too… it’s just VERY funny and entertaining and reveals a lot about what happens behind the scenes.

If you want to spread the word about this blog…

1) Create backlinks to your favorite blog post using your favorite guru’s name as the anchor text. That way, Google will associate the relevant blog posting with the guru’s name. Don’t do this with any malicious intent, do it because you genuinely believe this is a matter of public concern that would be relevant to someone seeking information about a particular public figure guru. If enough people do this, who knows… the blog post might rise in the rankings and show up as a top result. Then others can share in the entertainment and laughter. It’s all in good fun.

2) “Digg” your favorite blog post. If everyone who posts a comment would chip in one “vote” over at Digg, this blog would regularly be in the top news stories. That would bring in a fresh batch of new readers with interesting perspectives. What would people in other industries think of what happens in the Internet marketing industry?

BONUS:

If nothing else, create a backlink to this blog with the anchor text of “internet marketing”… it would be hilarious to see the Salty Droid be one of the top results for that keyword!

Oh, you know what? Ignore everything I just said. People are going to find this blog through word-of-mouth anyway. That’s how I found out about it.

WINNER!! ::   +11

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# 5 October 2010 at 8:22 pm



annonymous said:

Talk about Syndicate!

Check out the latest ‘product launch’ that Frank Kern is calling the “Holy Grail of Marketing” designed by Andy Jenkins featuring the big five.

Would love to put a kabosh on this thing.

http://get.kajabi.com/

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Alex Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

@annonymous, Yeah, like who in their right mind would give THOSE GUYS access to all their valuable, private business data? Jenkins is THE COMPETITION for pete’s sake, and he is attached at the hip to the SYNDICATE (even MORE competition!). Sharing your data could be business suicide.

Anybody up for that is just nuts. You might as well also give them the passwords to your adwords account and web server logs, too.

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

@Alex,

LOL, that’s the first thing I thought of. I’m going to give them my Niche, my video, my copy, my email list, etc…

I may as well transfer my PayPal account as well.

Dr Pepper

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Jack Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:47 am

@annonymous,

“Our Clients”…please see Salty Droid site for full list.

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Jack Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

@annonymous, Can we maybe decide here to make Kajabi into a verb that means something different and then try to start using it all the time like that?

Any ideas?

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Larry Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

@Jack, Here’s my idea:

KaJabi: pronounced Ka-jabi (see also, “Kajabied”) Def: “To fuck oneself; to foolishly give up one’s business data to the competition.” Ex: “Clarence responded to an email autoresponder message, after which he subsequently had his business kajabied. Now, he works at a gas station part-time cleaning restrooms.”

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# 5 October 2010 at 8:48 pm



Dr Pepper said:

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

@ Dr Pepper

Blah blah blah … link to your site or shut the fuck up.

@ Salty Droid

Not good Salty, sounds like you’re feeling the heat. I was with you at first but now you’re losing me and many others.

Sure, I’ll link my site here so the whole world can swipe my shit (rolleyes). I’m starting to think that you and lot of members here are Liberal, jealous, wanabees.

I’m a capitalist, end of story. It’s ironic how many here can’t accept the fact that some people can actually make big money marketing a good product.

Why don’t YOU post who you are? It’s easy to attack someone who is public, has a website, a public profile, etc…

If you want a fair fight with the Syndicate them go Public and expose yourself.

I already know your response, won’t hold my breath waiting for you to fight fair.

Go toe to toe with the Syndicate with complete disclosure. Rumor has it you’re a lawyer so what’s the harm?

Dr Pepper

LOSER!! ::   -5

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SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

@Dr Pepper ::

Which one was that … linking to your site or shutting the fuck up? Seemed like neither.

You are a liar.

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

@SD

I expected more from you Salty :-(

Getting very pithy here with all this diatribe.

Definition of DIATRIBE
1 archaic: a prolonged discourse

2 a bitter and abusive speech or writing

3ironic or satirical criticism

Dr Pepper

LOSER!! ::   -5

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Rocco Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

@Dr Pepper, You sound like a previous commenter here who wanted Salty to be HIS puppet (he went by the nick, “Poop Chute”).

If you think you can do better, go ahead and create your own blog. Otherwise, quit trying to be manipulative. This is Salty’s house. Take your shoes off before entering and respect his house.

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Dr Pepper Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

@Rocco,

I have never been anyone else but Dr Pepper.

I have respected SD until he got pithy with the comments and sarcastic attitude.

It’s like debating a Liberal, they run from the truth when confronted with Facts.

I am not a shill for the Syndicate or anyone else, I could give a fuck about them.

If you want an HONEST debate then fight fair.

If Salty doesn’t want my input he can ban my IP address.

Dr Pepper

P.S. I have several blogs but they are all business related.

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_cartman_ Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

@Dr Pepper,

they run from the truth when confronted with Facts.

Statements are not facts, they are “report of facts” and/or opinions.

Sure, I’ll link my site here so the whole world can swipe my shit (rolleyes).

Then why would you bring it up (rollfuckingeyes)? Ohh…cuz you wanted to give a story which nobody could nullify (rollfuckingeyes)…

I’m a capitalist, end of story. It’s ironic how many here can’t accept the fact that some people can actually make big money marketing a good product.

You’re an idiot, beginning of story. Many people don’t accept a “statement” as truth without proof (rollfuckingeyes). BTW, just because most may not believe you, that doesn’t mean they don’t believe something is possible (rollfuckingeyes). Nobody asked for your financial situation, you were attempting to “prove a point”, but when you were asked for proof, you brought up this whole “i’m a secret capitalist”.

I have several blogs but they are all business related.

Top secret business blogs too (rollfuckingeyes)…Is that so no one can read your shit (rollfuckingeyes)…good idea.

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Honest Debate? Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

@Dr Pepper, It’s not ABOUT an honest debate, and near as I can tell, never has been.
It’s about taking them down – at least jamming their sales.
You might not like the “lack of debate”, but you walked into a fistfight, not a book club meeting.

Which part of take them down did you miss?

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Dr.PepperisaDickstain Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

@Dr Pepper, You said: I’m a capitalist, end of story.
But you lied, dickstain, and kept on.
I am still hoping the end of your story is a lot better than any of the other bits you have dribbled out here so far.
the Salty Droid hides, because he can. He is made out of magic, and has wicked cool powers like the devil, or Shatner. But he is mostly good, and only melts the souls of stupid dickstains like you.
But he is definitely invisible, and you are a big fucking idiot. No one cares about you. No one will.
You’re on his blog, stupid…now no one is on yours.

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YouHaveHitaBigNerve Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:30 am

I don’t know where you all get the idea from that SD hides. There is even a picture of him and his alter ego in the about section of the blog.

Next time I am in Chicago I am buying the beers and the, is it oil, SD?,

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# 5 October 2010 at 9:18 pm



Barry said:

Looks like copywriter Ray Edwards is now shilling for Andy Jenkins. Here’s the email he sent out TODAY:

————————————————-

From: Ray Edwards

I run Product Launches. For a living.

My clients pay me a healthy fee to do that.

The most irritating part of my job?

Helping clients “Frankenstein” together all
the technology needed to run a launch.

Until now.

From now on, my #1 recommendation for any
launch I run will be this push-button system:

http ://www.tier23.com/track/go.php?c=kj

(That link is “safe” – no squeeze page or any
of that razzmatazz… just watch the video.)

Seriously. Watch the video.

http ://www.tier23.com/track/go.php?c=kj

Sincerely,

Ray Edwards

P.S. I wish you could sign up and get your
account now…but you can’t. But you’ll only
have to wait a few days. And you’re not going
to BELIEVE the price.

http ://www.tier23.com/track/go.php?c=kj

P.P.S. By the way, there is NO OPT-IN NEEDED
to watch this video. Hmmm. No sales pitch. No
squeeze. Different, isn’t it? :-)

P.P.P.S. (C’mon, I know it’s silly to have a
“PPPS” which is why I’m laughin’ right now…
c’mon, smile…) This is indeed my affiliate
link. Which means if you buy this
ridiculously under-priced thing when they
actually get around to selling it, I will get
a commission. ZOINKS!

http ://www.tier23.com/track/go.php?c=kj

————————————————-

The above link goes to:

http://get.kajabi.com/funnel_events/316

————————————————-

Ray Edwards…just another sellout. Or maybe he always was.

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nice linking Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

@Barry, (Ray?)
Nice to see you can still write – bet that had a decent open rate

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Barry Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

@nice linking, I don’t think if I was Ray I would have stated my opinion at the bottom of that, as follows:

“Ray Edwards…just another sellout. Or maybe he always was.”

I’m guessing you missed that part.

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# 5 October 2010 at 10:11 pm



snowtiger said:

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Funny video, droid, but you’d have a hell of a time convincing any jury that that is evidence of “price fixing” (unless of course, you got them liquored up.) Might want to introduce yourself to the actual definition of the term before slinging it around, lest you accidentally give off the illusion that you actually know what you’re talking about. God forbid.

Perhaps you prefer to see and hear things where they don’t actually exist, but unlike you, I actually try to listen to what was actually said, and then form a conclusion. Novel concept for you, I know. What I heard in the conversation was nothing more than Walker suggesting that Andy price videoboss much higher than he was originally thinking. I realize that you think that is some sort of “smoking gun,” but judging by the amateur look and feel of your other posts (lol) and videos, logic isn’t exactly your forte now, is it?

Or maybe you thought is was REALLY REALLY BAD that Andy wanted to make a million dollars from his launch? Gasp! The horror! A businessman actually wanted to make some cash! Let’s call the FTC!

I think it’s funny that you called videoboss a “frauduct.” If that is a frauduct, then what is your blog? Because it seems to me that if you (again) want to go slinging around accusations, ya might want to actually check out the product you’re insulting. It’s a damn good product, fantastic actually. But you wouldn’t know that, would you? You’re too busy trying to give off the impression to your gullible readers that you actually know what you’re talking about.

OMG but he said “syndicate!” That’s a crime, isn’t it? Uh, no. Again, try to take your accusations into any court and attempt to prove that they are participating in a crime. You’ll be laughed out of the court. (Hey, you should do it and post a video of that? Why not? Oh, probably because you’re a pussy. What with the whole burden of proof thing.) Guess what? Many businesses in many industries collaborate with each other and are “in on it.” Shocker! I know! But that’s capitalism. What, you don’t think other industries do this? How naive are you anyway? How old are you? Your posts give off a very “young” vibe. Like that of an idealistic teenager who just discovered “the internet” and doesn’t like all those bad bad men making a lot of money selling information! “They must be stopped!” sez the salty droid.

I can’t understand why you waste so much time going after internet marketers when there are so many other corporations guilty of actual crimes against humanity. Why not take up fast food corporations who exploit natural human desires for salt, fat and taste and sell them garbage? I think your efforts would actually go a lot further there. Why not go after all the scumbag money sucking, corrupt lawyers in the world who screw over people every day? (Nevermind, don’t answer that.)

Yeah, better to just stick with your little blog, pretending to know what you’re talking about…You’re gonna save the world! You’re gonna save everyone from buying them information products!

LOSER!! ::   -6

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Another One Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

@snowtiger, Bye bye, troll. After the first couple of pro-scammer lines I gave up, knowing that your comment will soon be voted down into oblivion, as it deserves to be.

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SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

@snowtiger ::

“Yeah, better to just stick with your little blog, pretending to know what you’re talking about…You’re gonna save the world! You’re gonna save everyone from buying them information products!”

Exactly! It’s really not been that hard … hasn’t even required proper punctuation ….

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snowtiger Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

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@SD, If you consider yourself a success, I’d hate to see your definition of a failure.

(Those evil “gurus” will continue to make very good money, while you’ll continue to do…what is it that you do again? Oh yeah.)

LOSER!! ::   -6

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Another One Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

@snowtiger, A little biased, aren’t you? Yep, you are. Haven’t met your quota of victim bashing today? Better get crackin’ then, eh? Pathetic.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

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@Another One,

Your post almost made sense. Almost.

LOSER!! ::   -4

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SD Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

@snowtiger ::

If you consider that a worthy insult :: I’d hate to see your definition of a waste of space.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

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@SD, Uh…good one? Keep up the good work, droid.

yOuR gOnnA chANge thE wOrld!

LOSER!! ::   -4

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Just wow Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

@snowtiger, Seriously, are you 12 years old?

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Hal Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

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@snowtiger, excellent post based on an obvious real world knowledge of business.

One businessman incorrectly underpriced his product and his business partner and advisor points out the error and they decide on the real market value of the product.

If it wasn’t real value it wouldn’t have sold so the proof is in the pudding.

Yes it is a damn good product and to those who use it they will certainly get their expected value from it.

And to have a profit goal is something that every businessperson should have before they even think of selling.

Without that you will have no direction and in fact you will be missing a key component of success.

A business is to make money.

They are not running a charity and as such the market, in paying for their products their customers are confirming that the price charged was acceptable.

Refund rates are high with info product sales because of the unscrupulous people who have every intention of getting what they can and then refunding.

There’s probably a few commentators on this blog who are accustomed to doing that and because of those people prices need to be increased accordingly.

Maybe you need a little time running a real business Jason to see how things work.

It’s a bit different than working for someone else or not working at all.

This blog started off well with some genuine comments on people who were underhand in their dealings but it is becoming more of a farce as time passes.

I guess that is to be expected because there is only so much you can say about someone, and comments on physical attributes certainly damage your credibility but that’s probably something you will learn as you get more experience in the real world.

LOSER!! ::   -4

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Hal Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 9:06 am

@Hal,

Is that you impersonating me again Gossip Columnist?

On the very slim chance you’re not a troll, maybe you could change your name to Hal2 because you and I are not even on the same page.

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_cartman_ Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:03 am

@snowtiger,

Exactly. It’s really starting to piss me off. I wish these gurus would stop being so greedy and make something that beginners can afford. This 2K **** is getting ridiculous. -Snowtiger

So since I haven’t been able to purchase one of these $2000 programs from the IM heavy hitters yet, I was wondering if one of you can tell me how exactly these programs are delivered and in what… -Snowtiger

Hey Jeff thanks for responding! Are you going to be releasing a new version of PLF soon? -Snowtiger

I personally would love to get list control, but I can’t cough up the dough at the moment. Anyone have any cheaper recommendations? -Snowtiger

Well, that answers that…apparently this person has an affinity with Jenkins, Kern, Deiss, and Walker (not texas ranger). I guess “he” thinks that if he comes here, maybe they will throw him a bone (cough…people please).

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Chuckles Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:33 am

@_cartman_, Ha! So “Snowtiger” is a Warrior Forum piss ant. Figures. He’s here worshipping the DBs and he can’t even afford their crap. That’s some “endorsement.” Gag.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

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@_cartman_,

Definitely not the case. Truthfully, I am a semi-broke noobie working a very boring 9-5, and I’ve been doing a lot of research on the industry for a while, including checking out this blog, just trying to make sense of the whole thing. I found it overwhelming in the beginning, hence my irritation at not being able to afford their material.

Now I hate scammers just as much as you and the droid do, and in fact I agree with your positions on guys like David Schirmer, James Arthur Ray, and a few others. Those are real charlatans.

I certainly don’t worship any of these IM cats, but I do admire a few of them for their marketing skills. (I come from a sales background.)

What I can’t figure out, for the life of me, is why the droid has chosen the people that he has to pick a fight with, and what the exact reasons are. Take Frank Kern for example. What is his issue with him? That he’s made a lot of money in this industry? So fucking what? I have been able to *ahem* “sample” Kerns stuff and I think he delivers a lot of great stuff. If I could afford his products, I actually would buy them. Yeah, I did finally get ahold of List Control and it is very, very good. The only thing I don’t fully believe about Kern, is that he was making a million dollars a year with his dog training business before getting into this industry. I do know the dog training industry is profitable though.

The “syndicate” stuff seems to be a real hot topic around here, but I can’t understand why. Seriously, this “syndicate” stuff happens ALL over the business world, online and offline. Do you and the droid actually think it’s unique to the IM world? Big corporations are constantly buying and selling “hot” leads to each other. Do you even know how many corporate lists you’re on right now? Jesus Christ, introduce yourself to the real world.

Record labels are in cahoots with radio stations and operate on “payola.” Advertisers work with retailers and even pay for some of retailers advertising costs. Capitalizing on “hot” leads isn’t anything new, it’s been standard business practice for many years, and if you think what the IM guys are doing is “bad,” you are truly ignorant of how the rest of the business world works. If the “syndicate” marketing of the IM gurus hurts your feelings, finding out what’s going on in the corporate world might make you want to throw yourself off of a building.

Are you guys mad that they are charging high dollar amounts for their material? Well, I was mad at first too, as you have seen. But I got over that. They can charge whatever the hell they want for their material. It’s not YOUR job to determine how much other businesses charge for their product. It’s also not YOUR job to determine what other people can and can not sell to the market. These guys can charge exorbitant fees, and if it sells at those prices, good for them. If people feel like the information is worth it, then I see nothing wrong with it. If they aren’t worth it, the market responds by a) requesting refunds and b) simply not buying.

Basic, basic business.

And don’t even start with this bullshit about them “preying” on desperate folk who “can’t really afford it.” They certainly aren’t putting a gun to anyone’s head and forcing them to buy. And even if they can’t, Frank offers really great no questions asked money-back guarantees. I respect that.

What the hell is the droid’s issue with Jeff Walker? He’s a businessman. It isn’t a crime to want to make a lot of money. He isn’t selling a “frauduct,” PLF is great material and has worked for a lot of people. It’s also based on time tested marketing strategies that many businesses have been using on you.

Ryan Deiss? Actually, I agree about the points made about him and his lack of knowledge of SEO, then selling an SEO product. But hey, just like anyone else, he has the right to sell and market whatever he wants and if people discover that his material is shit, they can very easily refund. If people get something out of his material and his stuff works…then we were wrong.

One thing I noticed is that the Droid is very clever with how he frames people. I noticed that he did some very careful editing on the Frank Kern List Control videos, taking his commentary out of context to paint the picture that he wants you to have….Shame on you, Droid. I’m all for legitimate criticisms, but when you do shit like that, you become very transparent.

Andy Jenkinson? So far, he seems very cool to me. I get the impression that he’s really a filmmaker and an editor at heart and really wanted to teach people with video boss. I have zero qualms about him wanting to make a lot of money.

Again, Droid – it is not your job to tell other businesses what they can and can’t sell, and what they can charge for their product. It doesn’t matter if they information is “repackaged” or “freely available on the internet” because people KNOW that they can find out stuff for free, they are voluntarily paying to have someone walk them through it. Most information is “repacked” anyway. Hell, even music is derivative of most other music. It’s how our culture works. Ideas are shared, spread, re-worded, tweaked, built on and passed on in new ways.

So in my time researching this field, my first suspicion was that salty droid was also in cahoots with the big gurus, since there’s no such thing as bad publicity, and this blog only serves to generate “heat” and “excitement” to an otherwise fairly dry and boring field. Lets face it, google adwords, list building, search engine optimization, article writing, and copywriting aren’t exactly exciting to most people. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this blog actually helps sales for those guys.

And then I remembered Occams Razor, the simplest explanation is that the droid is a failed businessman, and got his vagina hurt by a guru.

LOSER!! ::   -4

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Mike Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

@snowtiger, Have you even READ the other posts on this blog? Honestly. There’s a reason so many mainstream marketing blogs are regularly linking to these posts. There are plenty of facts and evidence contained herein.

Pretense and “persona” don’t make up for backroom dealings!

It’s mind boggling that you have all this in front of you, and STILL wrote such a rambling, apologistic comment ignoring reality.

You just want to be like one of them, and you are psychologically trying to help preserve the (sad) state of things until you “get there.” What you don’t realize is that you won’t get there, because they won’t let you…AND, things are going to change long before that could even be a remote possibility.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

@Mike,

Yeah, the “reason” why “so many” (lol) mainstream blogs link to this site is because bad publicity gets attention.

I’m not apologizing for anyone. And yes, I have read many other posts on this blog. (Logical fallacies for days.) I suppose if I’m not in a hysterical vitriolic frenzy like the rest of you, I’m “apologizing” for them.

I’m only interested in the truth.

Back room dealings? Again, get a fucking grip. Learn how business works. In fact, let me help you.

Here you go.

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Mike Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

@snowtiger, you are a putz.

“I’m only interested in the truth.”

You are NOT interested in the truth, idiot. You haven’t read anything on this blog. You’ve only looked at it as abstract blocks of text. How foolish!

“Learn how business works?” Let me tell you something, cocky, know-nothing dumbass. I’ve owned a multi-million dollar real business with tangible physical merchandise, multiple warehouses, call center, et al (not some idiotic infocrap business). And I managed to do so without bullshit, excuses, or refund hassles to customers who I actually respected as human beings. That’s how REAL business works. I know more about real business than you ever will in your deluded lifetime, dipshit.

For a dumbass forum junkie with a lot to learn, you sure have a lot of nothing to say.

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Slowly Waking Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

@snowtiger, You’ve read all this and you still want to believe the dream that you can quit your 9-5. It’s cool, lots of us have been there.

Give it time, get ripped off a little more (getting these infoproducts off torrent sites saves money but not your time, life, energy, if not money). You’ll eventually stop working so hard to lie to yourself. It took me a while too.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

@Slowly Waking,

Are you saying that it’s impossible to own your own successful business? Just because you have failed doesn’t mean everyone else will.

Obviously it’s possible, people do it. I don’t think the best way to do it is to try to start a business in the “make money online” niche, however.

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Slowly Waking Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

@snowtiger, No, I was being generous with you. Then you sounded like someone who’s deceiving himself in order to believe the dream/lie. From the rest of your comments, you sound like a troll. Sometimes people straddle the fence.

And– did I fail? At starting a fake IM business, sure. Because the model’s fake. NO GURU CAN PRODUCE THE FTC-REQUIRED MINIMUM of:

#1) “Get earnings claims in writing. If the business opportunity costs $500 or more, then the promoter must back up the earnings claim in a written document. It should include the earnings claim, as well as the number and percentage of recent clients who have earned at least as much as the promoter suggested. If it’s a work-at-home or other business opportunity that involves an investment of under $500, ask the promoter to put the earnings information in writing.”

#2) “Interview each previous purchaser in person, preferably where their business operates. The FTC requires business opportunity promoters to give potential purchasers the names, addresses and phone numbers of at least 10 previous purchasers who live the closest to the potential purchaser. Interviewing them helps reduce the risk of being misled by phony references.”

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/inv02-could-biz-opp-offers-be-out-your-coffers

Fortunately for me and you both, there’s more to life than guru lies and IM businesses. Getting skills in an actual INDUSTRY is always a good idea. IM is not an industry. PUBLISHING is an industry, a lot of the IM models are actually magazine publishing models (with the numbers fudged and hard work removed. Evidence? Newspapers like the NYTimes run the same ad services as the XFactor AdWords course or whatever. How have newspapers been doing lately?). Some of the others are EDUCATION & TRAINING and SERVICE models, like “Teaching Sells” or running a lead-gen service for local services. All require hard work, qualifications, experience, deep knowledge of a market and industry, and actual clients, not just “traffic”.

IM models are just weaseling around, looking for loopholes. It’s like douchebag Tim Ferris claiming he’s a kickboxing champion when he really just shoved people out of the ring and won by DQ, or antique SEO advice like keyword stuffing. Not the way to spend what little time you have on earth!

Hope you do better. Have fun with your trolling.

WINNER!! ::   +7



Carlos Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

@Slowly Waking, I think you are right about “snowtiger.” He’s not here for discussion, he’s here to spread his shit. He probably types out his one-sided responses to comments before people even make them. Just another troll.

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Mathias Reply:
October 10th, 2010 at 11:56 am

@snowtiger,

All you need is a good Business idea and a business plan We don’t have that for you

So you go to Frank instead, he’s cool, he’s a laid back surfer dude. he will give you ideas… he will promise you riches…

Until he and his buddies have soaken up your wallet, then they will leave you dry and move on.

You look back on all this realizing they were selling you a fantazy.

Don’t go into fraud-business just because it sounds cool and promising.

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snowtiger said:

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OMG! Oh Noes! My comment is gonna be voted down! I take it you’re another one who’s a little slow with the logic stuff, eh? If I disagree with salty droids hysterical blog then I am automatically a “troll?”

Yeah, you’re a real fucking brainiac, aren’t you?

LOSER!! ::   -6

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HaiSnowTiger!! Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

@snowtiger,

“Poo poo pee pee poo poo pee pee.”

I’d like to understand what you’re saying, but it’s difficult when you repeat “poo poo” and “pee pee” over and over. Could you please try again?

Thanks,
HaiSnowTiger!!

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# 5 October 2010 at 10:31 pm



No reach said:

400 comments here of genuinely interested people

Damn.

That’s more than the syndicate usually gets on their blogs with their fake social proof phoney b-listers only commenting because they pray someone will click their link.

Looks like some damned good reach to me.

The pimple just turned into a giant painful zit.

WINNER!! ::   +14

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Duff Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:47 am

@No reach,

“If you think you’re too small to be effective, you have never been in bed with a mosquito.”
~Betty Reese

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Cosmic Connie Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 10:11 am

@Duff, Good one. Interestingly enough (well, interesting to me, anyway), I got hold of a private exchange between a couple of folks who were offended by my snarking. One of them called me a “nasty mosquito” and offered some detailed suggestions about stuff that could be done to ensure that my silly little blog would effectively be consigned to search engine purgatory.

As for Salty, it kind of looks like that giant painful zit has become an invasive lesion.

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Slowly Waking Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

@Cosmic Connie, “As for Salty, it kind of looks like that giant painful zit has become an invasive lesion.”

Salty MRSA

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# 5 October 2010 at 11:55 pm



caleb said:

These people cannot handle the ridicule of being FOUND OUT – EXPOSED – SHOWN UP FOR WHO THEY ARE!

So much for THE SECRET of the marketing guru, huh, what a bunch of wankers.

After having worked for one of these animals and walked away it makes me sick to the stomach to hear again just how blatantly manipulative and greedy these guys are. The fact that one (if not all of them) show their true colors by getting very angry for being exposed shows what their intentions were in the first instance. These people are to be despised, they are the parasites of our society and have done an incredible amount of emotional and financial damage. Any tiny bit of good information that they are attempting to sell —– IS FREE ON THE INTERNET —– oh surprises. If you still feel you need a high from attending one of their pathetic workshops or buying their rebadged, repackaged, regurgitated material, then maybe its time to have a good hard look at yourself to see whats really going wrong. Remember these guys will tell you there is something wrong even if there isnt. Its the trade mark start to every workshop. Tell everyone whats wrong with them and tell them that you used the material to make it all right then sell sell sell like hell hell hell. Most people dont even know they’ve been done over until its too late and god almighty … try to get a refund from any of these guys. They’ve covered every shifty loophole in the business to take your money and keep it. Believe me I know, remember I used to work for one of them……….

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anonymous Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

@caleb, and some have the gall to do it in the name of the holy father.

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# 6 October 2010 at 12:19 am



caleb said:

By the way I hope someone has posted this to Oprah!

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# 6 October 2010 at 12:20 am



LukeSkywalker said:

Salty, are you really R2D2 in disguise? Because he could never really write as good as you do, but I still miss him. Or are you Lost in Space? Er… I mean the robot from Lost in Space. Anyways, if you are R2D2, please come home soon. And bring my $8,000 Internet Marketing Course with you. I need it to figure out how to make a video of me typing on this blog while fighting off the sand creatures.
Thanks, Luke

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# 6 October 2010 at 12:29 am



jojo said:

“Practicing falsehood again and again, people come and go in reincarnation, and forfeit their honor.”

“Born because of the karma of their past mistakes, they make more mistakes, and fall into mistakes.”

“The person who is basically evil by nature will always be averse to virtuous deeds. He is always engaged in bad karma. ”

Sri Guru Granth Sahib quotes

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# 6 October 2010 at 12:37 am



jojo said:

That is a freakin’coup – good work!

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# 6 October 2010 at 12:38 am



SD (author) said:

@abc123 ::

I got that. Thanks!

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# 6 October 2010 at 12:56 am



SD (author) said:

Reflections on Sandy Jenkins …

Today marks the momentous one year anniversary of Andy Jenkins emailing me … it went great for him …

http://saltydroid.info/emailing-with-the-enemy/

… relive the drama in celebration.

And as my bonus offer to you … something that I’ve “ha ha ha” valued at $5000 …

jandrewjenkins@gmail.com

Chorus :: Oh no you didn’t! {snaps}

SD :: Yes … yes I did.

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OH SNAP INDEED Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 6:53 am

@SD, “valued” @ $5000, no joke. Thanks for that…. INFORMATION!…

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# 6 October 2010 at 2:45 am



Hey, come on the gurus are nice guys said:

The next episode to this is coming. Just watched the promotional video for Andy Jenkins’ Kajabi project (obscenely high paying affiliate program now open!!!).

Quote from video

“Kajabi has changed the way these people (Jenkins, Walker, Kern, Reese, Filsaime, Trey Smith) have marketed forever.”

Maybe that should read “Salty Droid and the fear of prison time has changed the way the usual suspects have marketed forever”.

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Man Of Integrity Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 7:13 am

@Hey, come on the gurus are nice guys,

More like KAJOBBY

.o|o.
*
*
*splat*

They can eat my turd.

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# 6 October 2010 at 6:40 am



Damn Ross Jeffries said:

You sold me with this video buddy.

That was the most impressive thing I’ve ever seen.

Who’s more full of shit: Me or you?

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Damn Ross Jeffries Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 8:42 am

@Damn Ross Jeffries,

Oops. Forgot the video of Ross showing his high-value skills you should pay him a shitload of money for:

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# 6 October 2010 at 8:41 am



Mathias said:

Joe Vitale, Mr Fire and the author of way too many books too list here doesn’t like this forum…

So he’s sending an intention to the universe to alter the subconscious mind of Salty Droid but fails to do so as his super secret ninja hypnotic voodo doesnt work on robots.

He gets depressed and calls Pat cat o brian and together they merge their bodies on the holy Hawaian Island…

After this intensely sexual experience joe goes to bed(naked) and Patty Boy plays a beatfiul song for him.

In the meantime Tony Robbins has bought a 30 dollar clickbank product called “Secrets of remote-viewing” He meet with speed learning expert Brian Tracy, a minute and a handjob later he has not only mastered, but integrated a complete new skill.

Tony: “Im The Master of Mastery and I can learn anything” “Thats right” says Brain

Tont takes immediate action and succesfully remote-wiev the naked hawaian ritual from his private Island. He cries and say that is the most touching thing he’s ever seen.
Something about Joe and patty has awakened the giant within him and he starts jerking off.
“This is personal power Sage”… “Now Tame that giant before he gets too big.”

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# 6 October 2010 at 9:45 am



Ross Jeffries Oy Vey said:

Ross… you have a lot of guts to come back here after I watched that fire video.

A women is frightened out of her skull and you try to pick her up. Why not just hold a gun to her head and see how that works. And I’ve watched a few more of your “gems” (and I’m being kind) and I don’t see your magic. Maybe I’m just blind and deaf (or just skeptical).

The pickup industry is 100 times worse than the internet marketing industry (and the IM industry is a cesspool of no-talent criminals). And if these guys are stealing their stuff from you, they should get arrested for stupidity.

And you claim that Salty gives you a clean bill of health? Well, he also gives Michel Fortin a clean bill of health (who continues to promote super sleaze Armand Morin)… continues to give Ken McCarthy a clean bill of health (who promoted all of the douchebags featured on this blog including Andy Jenkins and Brad Fallon)… and hasn’t busted Dan Kennedy / Bill Glazer as a fraud (which every one of these IM gooroos worship as their god).

So if you think you’re clean because the droid gives you a pass, you might want to check your skivvies for skid marks. Because I smell your shit 3,000 miles east. And it doesn’t smell good old man.

Muchly debated. What do you think?   -2

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SD Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

@Ross Jeffries Oy Vey ::

Don’t put words in my mouth fuck chop.

1. Being on the “not someone I’m planning to attack” list is not necessarily a compliment … and it’s certainly not an endorsement. Only the worst mother fucking mother fuckers make the list … because that is all I have time for.

2. I have called out Kennedy/Glazer … and will again.

3. Never said a single word about McCarthy. But his name being burned into a stone ass was not intended to be a compliment.

4. Armand Morin had better say something publicly about The Syndicate soon … because somebody around here {hint :: me} only knows how to play hardball.

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# 6 October 2010 at 10:08 am



Mathias said:

I want to make money online said the little prince.
Slimmy Douchebag Internet Marketer: Okay… I will fix that for you…
Now heres what you need to know…
It’s all about marketing…

Marketing?
Yes, marketing, do marketing and you become super rich… like me, check it out, I’ve got a ferrari… and a new house… 4 hour workweek, im the sizzle dizzle.

These people are wannabee:
Hollywood actors
Rock Stars
forbes 100 Ceo’s
Billion dollar entrepeneurs

Anyone who try to fake-pretend and model(copycat) these kind of people eventually screw themself up.

They don’t say it out loud but they want what they’ve got.
Just like most teenagers of today…

wannabe personality disorder, inauthentic, disgustingly pathetic and non coolness is usually the consequence of idol-worship.

But hey… better to worship Will Smith and Russel Crowe than Frank Kern and not so secret-Rhonda Byrne.

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# 6 October 2010 at 10:43 am



Crew Chief said:

Ha, you know when Wickedfire laughs at you – you’ve reached an all-time low: http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/99324-lol-syndicate-lol.html

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# 6 October 2010 at 11:55 am



Mike said:

Given the nature of the material and the rather explicit comments attched in the comments, what’s the best way to package this to ship off to my state atty general so they focus on the message and don’t get distracted by the messenger?

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

@Mike,

Given the nature that there’s absolutely nothing substantial here to even send to your state attorney general, I suppose you could just forward the blog post and then wait for a response that goes something like this:

“Yeah, and?”

Ya fucking dunce.

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Mike Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

@snowtiger, Just to clarify, this is a different Mike from the me – the one above that called you out, idiot.

@Mike: In a nutshell, provide your own brief, clear overview, and then summarize:

1. Alleged crimes
2. Participants
3. Evidence (blog references, docs, recordings, etc.)
4. Request for action

It doesn’t have to be massive. Short and sweet, and they can follow up for more info.

I’m sure SD will respond to any specific government inquiries if you provide them with his email address.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

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@Mike,

…and your point is what, that there are 2 Mikes who are morons here? Thanks for clarifying.

I love your list. You lot are something else…really just as stupid as can be. Let’s take a look:

Mike “the clown” sez:

1. Alleged crimes

…Yeah, this should be good. What would these ‘alleged crimes’ be exactly, receiving price point recommendations? Boy…that’s really juicy. Your attorney general is gonna be all over that!

2. Participants

…Uh, would this be…

…wait for it…

…wait for it…

…The Syndicate???????

*gasp*

LOL

3. Evidence (blog references, docs, recordings, etc.)

…Yeah, good advice. Our court system generally requires evidence with a clearly established chain of custody. In addition, the evidence can’t be tampered with. If only you could find some that actually meet these requirements?

LOL

4. Request for action

…More excellent advice, clearly given by a real brainiac here. What other sage advice do you have to offer?

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Dan Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

It looks like lil’ Snowtrigger is having a meltdown here. Heck, Snowtrigger, you already admitted you are a broke loser working a “boring” job, going nowhere in life. Maybe you just aren’t cut out for anything better.

Did the Warrior Forum let you out early today??? Maybe your mommy can make you some hot cocoa and you will feel all better. You probably shouldn’t count on it though.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

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@Dan,

Yeah, I’m broke. Ya got me. I’m a loser. Maybe I should start a hate blog that bashes a bunch of successful people so that I can feel better?

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bob Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

@snowtiger, I almost couldn’t stop laughing after reading your ridiculous comments. You are an unsuccessful, wannabe internet scam artist who thinks he can outthink the LAW? Now that’s funny. Hysterical, really. There’s a reason why you are still working a job (and probably always will). You might not know it, but it’s obvious to everyone around you.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

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@bob,

Your psychic powers are impressive, really. No, I’m not trying to get into their industry. But I am studying internet marketing in general for my niche.

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Kann Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

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@Mike,

Oh boy, forwarding info to the attorney general. Haha. Funny stuff. You’d get laughed at.

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# 6 October 2010 at 1:47 pm



snowtiger said:

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A drooling imbecile named Mike wrote:

“You are NOT interested in the truth, idiot. You haven’t read anything on this blog. You’ve only looked at it as abstract blocks of text. How foolish!

“Learn how business works?” Let me tell you something, cocky, know-nothing dumbass. I’ve owned a multi-million dollar real business with tangible physical merchandise, multiple warehouses, call center, et al (not some idiotic infocrap business). And I managed to do so without bullshit, excuses, or refund hassles to customers who I actually respected as human beings. That’s how REAL business works. I know more about real business than you ever will in your deluded lifetime, dipshit.

For a dumbass forum junkie with a lot to learn, you sure have a lot of nothing to say.”

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Hey Mike – Yeah, you’ve owned a multi-million dollar “real” business and now you’re wasting your time posting here? I suppose you think that I should believe your wild ass claims? You’re nothing but text on a screen. A nothing. A zero.

You’ve never “owned” a fucking thing in your life, and never will, you gullible clown.

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Dave Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

Here’s the retarded “Snowliar” on the warrior forum:

http://www.warriorforum.com/internet-marketing-product-reviews-ratings/268778-domain-scalping.html

He can’t even afford Ryan Deiss’ $97 rehash, LOL.

What a loser! Lol.

Hey snowliar, you working hard on that job, stealing time from your employer and playing on the internet? Or do you work the night shift at Taco Bell and spend your days fantasizing on the net? Lol.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

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@Dave,

Very good. *pats Dave on the head.* You found a thread on warriorforum.

POP QUIZ: Where in that thread do I say that I can’t afford that program?

I’ll be waiting, chief.

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Dave Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

@snowliar, ALL your other pathetic Warrior Forum comments (including your miserable whiney complaints about not being able to afford crap) can be easily found starting from that one moronic comment.

Shit man, your comments over there totally spell “born loser.”

Maybe you can put together a WSO for your niche (losers) and teach people how to be broke. You’ve got that down.

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# 6 October 2010 at 2:09 pm



mike said:

Hey Snowflake,

Why don’t you pull your head out of your ass and answer the question? Unless you are one of “Them”?

Bricks and mortar business 20 years+. internet new to it but I thought it might be a way to expand my business. I got conned by some of the same people that are featured here in this forum way to go SD!

Let me know when you will be in boston and you can repeat the “gullable clown” line in person and see how well you do. Any time.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

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@mike,

Wow, you sound like a real life tough guy. Dangerous even! Like a real life badass!

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Kann Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

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@mike,

ethug alert, ethug alert!

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# 6 October 2010 at 2:41 pm



DontEatYellowSnowFlakes said:

Just me Snowflake,

(the new mike). In reference to your other post “radio stations and record companies collude with each other all the time”…. or words of that sort. Did you ever hear of the payola scandal in the 50′s and early 60′s where radio stations and DJ’s were accepting kickbacks to push records. Everybody did it until “PEOPLE WENT TO JAIL”

If two people collaborate on a product and are open about it no issue, but if separate business entities price fix while maintaining the fiction of being competitors that is criminal fraud. If the government is in a really bad mood they could invoke the RICO statue depending on the fact pattern presented.

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October 6th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

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@DontEatYellowSnowFlakes,

Got news for ya bub, payola still goes on today in one form or another.

I don’t think you actually know what “price fixing” even is. I can assure you that what they are doing is not price fixing. Of course, being a lazy shit for brains, you wouldn’t actually bother to research it yourself now, would you?

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Anonymous Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

@snowflake,

Just because a crime is committed and no one is caught does not vindicate those that commit the crime. As to research I asked my lawyer. Given your vast legal experience maybe you should represent Andy and company, that way the government wins and we all go home happy.

My original offer stands, anytime punk.

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Anonymous Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

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@,

Your offer? No thanks, you sick fuck.

“You asked your lawyer.” Do you mean that you fantasized about actually calling a lawyer? Kind of like how you fantasize about owning “a big million dollar warehouse” and pretend to be a big shot business owner on this blog?

Who in God’s name is stupid enough to believe anything some internet fuckwit from Boston says? You asked your lawyer…

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Donteatyellowsnowflakes Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

Trolls are an interesting lower form of life. And you don’t need a warehouse to run the business that I am in.

Either you support the idea that fraud is occurring based on information presented by SD or you don’t if not why are you here? Unless you are one of “them”.

Your ranting is pointless go back to playing with your xbox.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

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@Donteatyellowsnowflakes,

No shit you don’t need a warehouse to run the “business” you’re in, internet tough guy. The only thing you need is a bottle of lube and your fevered imagination.

I love your black and white, either/or logic. Obviously, according to you, I must be one of “them” if I don’t agree with the various accusations being slung here. Obviously.

Like the salty droid, logic isn’t your forte.

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Johnnyfelon Reply:
May 12th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

@DontEatYellowSnowFlakes, SD you are a lawyer, can you clarify what constitutes a criminal fraudulant act? it is my understanding that the FTC statute for fraud is identical to the criminal statute. There is only one word that makes the difference: “intent”

The long paragraph defining fraud reads identical in both statutes. Only that one word makes it criminal. If a person intended, pre-meditated the act.

So, there is a definition of “criminal” versus “civil” statute.
If SD wants to clarify, he is the lawyer, I am just a dude who knows.

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# 6 October 2010 at 2:56 pm

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# 6 October 2010 at 3:01 pm



SD (author) said:

@snowtiger ::

Listen to me … look into my eyes. Are you looking? You’re sucked into a con. It’s going to ruin your life … I don’t want that to happen to you.

You hear Jeff Walker laughing in that video? He’s laughing at you. He’s laughing because you’re suffering at his hand … cause his fat life is funded with your tears … and your delusions.

You can call me hater :: I’m used to it. But I don’t hate you … I want you to be free.

Be free little kitty … be free.

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snowtiger Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

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@SD,

I don’t “listen” to anonymous, gutless, shit stirring cretins. You aren’t rescuing anyone from anything, “freeing” anyone from anything, or any other wild eyed delusion that helps you sleep at night.

From my perspective, you’re at least two things.

One, you’re a disingenuous twat. I might actually “listen” to your claptrap if you weren’t constantly taking various comments out of context, and twisting and contorting them into something they are not. I might also “listen” to your accusations if they actually had something substantial behind them, and didn’t collapse like a house of cards under a modicum of scrutiny. I’ve mentioned repeatedly that your accusations in this post won’t hold any water in any court – and you know it. Someone might be able to make a case against YOU however, for defamation and libel.

Two, you’re stupid as fuck. Do you not understand anything at all about basic human psychology? People like you evidently never learn that you’re only making these gurus more popular by constantly shining the spotlight on them.

But then again, what else is left for you to do? You don’t have anything else to offer the world.

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Decent People Reply:
October 6th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

@snowtiger:

“I don’t “listen” to anonymous, gutless, shit stirring cretins”

Funny, neither do we, the readers of this blog. So go fuck yourself, hypocrite.

SD is fully identified on this blog. Care to do the same, weasel? We’ll all come over and gawk at your millions and you can show off your basement estate.

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