Syndicate Shit Storm

The Syndicate

2010 started off with so much fake hope :: not to mention a beautiful wedding between two sick old pricks smelling of rot. Oh the memories … it’s costing me so much to have them removed. Things got a little out of hand that night … and I shouldn’t have been yelling “SPANK HER!” like I was … I’m afraid it helped get things going in the wrong direction. Totally my bad. I’ll never stop feeling guilty about what happened to that poor chicken …

But never-mind all that … 20ten also started off with a telephone call between Andy Jenkins and Jeff Walker about the upcoming launch of :: The Video Boss :: Cuzin Andy’s February Syndicate frauduct launch. That’s what we’re going to be talking about today … and for many days to come … because I have the audio of that call.  Surprise bitches!!

OMG how much do you hate me right now?

If it makes you feel any better :: I know exactly how much you hate me … and I delight in it like a British schoolgirl at a luxury tea party. Wait :: that probably makes you feel worse … oh well.

In January :: Andy had just left sinking StomperNet with Brad after a bunch of catty bitch fights. The ownership of the StomperNet mailing list was with Brad … so Andy was a half-man alone. No list … no income. Without a list you can’t do anyone any favors. If you can’t do favors :: you can’t get favors. Confucius said that :: I’m pretty sure.

Andy should be screwed blue.  He has to start all over :: and now he has the baggage of the StomperNet implosion hanging over his head. Good thing {for him} he’s in a cartel …

The call lasted more than 90 mins :: and it’s a total shocker start to finish! In today’s episode …

— price fixing —  Here is the price fixing :: not the rumors of it :: not my hateful accusations about the rumors of it :: here it fucking is … this is EXACTLY what it sounds like.

— me {natch!} —  Cause why press “record” if you’re not going to talk shit about The Droid?

— the syndicate — The whole conversation was rich in the use of the plural pronouns “us” and “we”. Names are named … shock is awed.

— anti-competitive behavior — Jeff Walker names several marketplace competitors who are a “threat” to the “them”. One is part of an oft told Syndicate origin story.  Yummy!

… and so much more.

The Syndicate packages up the same useless bullshit and sells it to you over and over again.  As is clear from the video … they KNOW that’s what they’re doing.  Now so do you …

>> bleep bloop<

727 thoughts on “Syndicate Shit Storm”

  1. Doesn’t anyone find it weird that there has recently been an increase in the number of threads over at WF talking about the ‘junk’ WSOs and junk at warrior forum…? As if taking advantage of this chance to shine spotlight on themselves… or maybe they are part of the whole syndicate toooooooooooooooooooooo!?!

    1. @i am not google but free link for google,

      I wonder about that forum. I belong to another one and that is really legit and honest, but recently I spent a bit of time at the Warrior Forum. To be honest I didn’t enjoy it. There is a lot of self promotion and arrogance over there. I can’t understand how so many of them are successful operators. I haven’t come across another forum like this yet. There is such attitude and some of them are really combative and suspicious of anyone who offers a different viewpoint. I tried to give my view on things like the gurus and scams but the in crowd don’t seem too interested. A few of the newbies and less regular posters are ok though.
      They seem to give a lot of cover to the gurus. One of the threads was called “Bash The Guru” which came across as an apologetic defence of the gurus and claimed that anyone finidng fault witht he gurus are seemingly jealous of their success.

      1. @Chris, in business and in life, polar views help keep us centered. If you want to succeed in business, you have to be paranoid. I read a book nearly twenty years ago, “only the paranoid survive.” If I had taken that more to heart, I could have avoided so much pain in business.

        Anyone who can’t read the droid is like people who are religious zealots who are taught not to read books with opposing views. The obvious reasons are there and clear. Everyone who immediately dismisses the Droid are narrow thinking, uninformed morons. Question everything!

        If you talk to an expert, ask them what they have actually done in business other than sell how to make money? There are experts out there who have been teaching for 30 years. It’s like Gary Vaynerchuk said, “I have been on the speaking circuit too long, I am starting to be full of shit.” I like that he admits that talking about success isn’t the same as doing it.

        These bullshit experts need to have the droid call them out. If anything so people can have opposing views to balance out their lack of business acumen.

        Screw that forum, it’s not working for you. Find a place that inspires you and has “real” people sharing legit ideas and concepts.

        Good luck
        Johnnyfelon

    1. @adam, He gets them from a guy named “Chuck” (probably not his real name) at the Pippick Fish Market on Bleecher Street. If you buy two pounds of mackerel, they throw in a free recording. If you buy FOUR pounds of mackerel, they also include a printed transcript stuffed inside a rancid halibut with its eyes taped shut. There you have it.

  2. Hey Salty-

    It’s pretty obvious that the recording is a digitized fake- The voices on there definitely “mimic” Schlocker and Dr. Rotundo, but the key “giveaway” was the digitized “heavy breathing” – There’s no way anybody on the PLANET who is Dr. R’s age would be that desperately huffing and puffing with sticky-handed excitement while talking about reaming the unwashed masses- Heck, I think you even threw in some digitized “sweating” that I could hear gushing out of his pores-

    Nice try Salty, but even Dr. Rotundo wouldn’t come off as THAT unattractive!

    You’ve been OUTED Salty! ;^)

    Gregor

    1. @Gregor, Surprisingly, I’ve found that many of Salty’s readership is sarcasm unaware. Or is the correct term ‘sarcastically challenged’?

  3. andy jenkins is awesome you shit fucks

    he never put a gun to your head and told you to give him money, and he always gives a money back guarantee.

    so don’t hate the player, hate the game.

    Yes he is a marketer, a fat one.

    But he makes shit loads of money with his info poducts and who knows how many ecommerce stores, i know only off european-wall-tapestries.com and a2armory.com

    salute !

    1. @officer, too bad that “money back guarantee” doesn’t apply to the business partners, spouses, and affiliates who have been lied to and ripped off… or you’d have a really super awesome point there. Or not…

      1. @Unicorn Army, They have ways of not honoring that “money back guarantee. And also if you join a coaching program with Achieve Technologies they claim they will help you make back your money, but when you take their program you encounter the smoke and mirrors tactics and deceptions that enable them to get out of following through with their pre-sales claims that enticed one to trust them and sign up with them in the first place. And if you join the Tax Club like I foolishly did, you pay them several thousand dollars plus monthly fees for non service and non performance apart from the simple step of creating an LLC for you (which I found out afterwards that any donkey or monkey could do). These fraudster bastards need to go down.

  4. the funny thing is i bought jeff course and the formula for launching actually works to get alot of sales,

    my first small launch to a small list done $6500+ in 5 days,

    2nd launch with a few affiliates done $50,000+

    My 3rd launch goes live end of this month (internal launch) but with a bigger list so al be doing bigger numbers!

    So thanks Jeff its helped me and yea the IM niche does look scammy but no ones making you buy but yourself.

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    2. @LOL (going 2 the top),

      Well, why don’t you let us know who you are so we can read all the claims for and reviews of your successful product launch?

    3. @LOL (going 2 the top),

      I’m glad that the formula for launching helped you get an alot of sales. I already knew that alots are better than me at everything, but I didn’t realize they did sales! Do you put your alot in front of the camera, or does he (or she) upsell people on the phone?

      You know what, @LOL (going 2 the top), I have so many questions about employing an alot of sales, you better write an e-book on it, and I will gladly pay $37.77 for it! Please include some affiliate links for alot food. I don’t know what to feed the shaggy beasts.

      1. @Lanna, If Allie Brosh decided to put out a pyramid scheme based on alots, I’d buy into it. I even have a name for her: I Like This Marketing Alot (TM)

    4. @LOL (going 2 the top), Funniest bullshit comment I’ve read in a looong time. So you bought yourself your very own con man kit? And then you somehow convinced people over the age of 8 to pay you money? Even ALOT of alcohol would never convince me that happened anywhere outside of your imagination. I’ll give you credit for the “LOL” though.

  5. This is exactly why the make money online niche has a bad rep because of greedy scumbags like this.

    I call these guys “Ankles” because a ankle is lower than a c*nt.

    Rant over

    1. @Tom Jones, No disagreement about scumbags. But in actuality, the MMO “niche” has a bad rep because it’s all BAD. No farmer just gives away the farm, unless the farm is really only a stinking pile of dried up bullshit.

  6. If this doesn’t shake you to the bones and let you see how it really works, then you are fuckin on drugs. This isn’t marketing, it’s just like Jason calls it. Sometimes Jason is a little over the top, but thank god there is someone like the “droid” to have another view. (when marketers talk, they should always think as though a customer is a fly on the wall. And that fly might just be a droid. lol) I love how this guy pretends the droid has no power. In their subconscious mind, they are sweating fucking bullets because they know it is the calm before the storm. Some of these guys better be looking into other country’s extradition laws.

    There are deep under currents of meaning in this conversation. You can “feel” the “fear” in their voices. You can tell they are thinking…
    “I better make it why I can because my days are numbered.” Greed is an, oh so powerful emotion.

    Jason, I have no idea how you get these recordings but my hat is off to you. I will tell all of you another thing, these guys are scared to death of Mr. Droid because if they weren’t they would be in court and filing law suits… everything. The fact that they are not going that route is proof positive they are running scared. If they were not shaking in their boots, they wouldn’t even bring up Jason.

    This is the most powerful example I have seen on your site, Jason. You should have a section where you have the most damming videos all in one place. For those of us who are trying to work and learn from the droid at the same time, we need audio baby. You are the man!

    Please consider having a section with the best videos all in one place. Maybe its a stupid idea, but something to consider. You obviously know what you are doing.

    I do recognize and appreciate the risks you are taking to fight for what you believe. Be careful and don’t take those assholes’ threats lightly. People will do stupid shit over money.

    What can we do to help? What people also don’t realize is that these guys got their start when the getting was easy. Every business has its time where it’s easier to get started. The rules of the game have changed and people are not going to be able to go out and create their very own syndicate. Not going to happen. And who would want to???? Real marketing, real business, doesn’t work like this. If you have a “droid” up your ass all the time, something is probably wrong.

    What kind of marketing do you believe in? What bloggers are doing it right? I think your readers would like to know where they can go to get good advice, not just who is doing it wrong? Maybe that isn’t your purpose or interest but it would be nice to have both.

    Jason, what do you think of Seth Godin, tim ferris, gary vay-ner-chuk? We hear who you hate, i personally would like to know who you think IS doing ti right? anyone? ok, people, who is doing it right and why? would it be death to the droid to complement and endorse? Might not work but i would love to know who the droid secretly admires. Or not so secret.

    I have ranted way too long. Thanks for the opportunity to vent.

    With great respect and admiration,
    John

    1. @Johnnyfelon, To put your question about recommendations in proper perspective, I’ll quote as best I recall one of the better comments made here about that.

      “You don’t ask the exterminator which bugs are worth keeping.”

      Further to that, the way people change, a recommendation puts YOU on the line for another person’s actions, which you cannot control.

      Regarding a couple of the names you mentioned: Gary is hot air/poser, and I have more respect for random piles of horse shit than I do for Ferris. I don’t buy into his backstory at all, and his “4 hour” pseudo-book was a boastful pile of situational ethics bullshit for the “I want it all now” crowd.

  7. This is kind of depressing, Eben Pagan’s advice helped changed myself to date the girl of my dreams. Andy Jenkins has helped me make fun videos on youtube and such. I would really want to know what has driven you guys to hate on these internet marketers.

    Wish you all the best tho!

    1. @Rathana,

      Regarding Andy: I take it then, that either you didn’t watch the video on this very page “Andy Jenkins and Jeff Walker” or else you think price fixing cartels are totally coolz?

      Furry cows moo and decompress.

    2. @Rathana,

      There’s an entire site dedicated to answering that exact question. Here’s a link to it.

      http://saltydroid.info/

      Wish you all the best too, because saying that immediately means that this comment isn’t negative and I’m not a hater as well.

    3. @Rathana, Charles Manson could probably teach you how to use steak knives. If he did, would it make him ok with you, despite the fact that he was involved in some atrocious murders?

  8. @like i said, …well I guess that Salty Droid website should be flattered that © 2013 Hearst Communications Inc. is so flattering!

    Great that a company like Hearst Communications goes around the internet to find good blogs to praise.

    I am not sure I really like BeaumontEnterprise.com – looks a bit generic / sameold sameold.

    But then again 19,000 like it on Facebook, so who am I to judge?

    And I can see why. Your administrator has posted the same message to 3,500,000 websites (I do hope you pay her well!) – and those 19,000 Facebook likers must be the grateful website owners doing some reciprocation!

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Wow%2C+amazing+blog+layout!+How+long+have+you+been+blogging+for%3F+you+make+blogging+look+easy.+The+overall+look+of+your+website+is+great%2C+as+well+as+the+content!&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

    Good luck Hearst Communications with the encouraging spreading of good will!

    …but I can see the sense in it. There must be a lot who click through and then, with their idle curious good will, click on your ads, paying you cash (via Google AdSense etc.).

    But is it quality traffic? Really….?

    …also, perhaps you should read this…

    http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/iab-rally-industry-against-bogus-publishers-and-bots-148759

  9. I guess I’m missing something. Price fixing to me means somethiing way different. They are not selling something I must have and the product is an information product. Which means it is THEIR information. Many other people sell this infomation…of course it is THEIR information.

    If someone wants to sell me their experence and knowledge they can only get what I believe it is worth. If I don’t think it is worth the money I can find someone else to learn from and/or I can decide to learn by trial and error.

    1. What price fixing means to you doesn’t really matter because you are not the FTC. The FTC enforces antitrust laws*, and they define price fixing thusly:

      Price fixing is an agreement (written, verbal, or inferred from conduct) among competitors that raises, lowers, or stabilizes prices or competitive terms.

      Illegal price fixing occurs whenever two or more competitors agree to take actions that have the effect of raising, lowering or stabilizing the price of any product or service without any legitimate justification.

      [I]f the government or a private party proves a plain price-fixing agreement, there is no defense to it. Defendants may not justify their behavior by arguing that the prices were reasonable to consumers.

      In the audio, two competitors agree to a $5,000 price on their info frauducts. Jenkins initially mentioned a $497 price – presumably that’s what it would cost to cover his expenses and make a profit – so there’s no “legitimate justification” for multiplying the price by ten. Regardless of what you, as a consumer, feel is reasonable, price fixing is price fixing.
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      *We’ve discussed the efficacy of the FTC on here before. At DefCon, I spoke with an FTC staff member about how few FTC staffers are in the Bureau of Consumer Protection. She pointed out that the FTC was started as an antitrust agency, so it makes sense that the majority of their staff work in the Bureau of Competition. IMHO, it makes sense, but it’s still shitty.

      1. Thanks for your reply Anna. But to use the word of the law…

        Illegal price fixing occurs whenever two or more competitors agree to take actions that have the effect of raising, lowering or stabilizing the price of any product or service without any legitimate justification.

        “two or more competitors” Competitors compete against the same product. Meaning I would be able to buy the product from both people. They don’t sell the same product. Each person sells “different ways” to grow your business.

        I’m quite sure someone can split hairs and try to link the 2 businesses together as competitors but as far as I’m concerned anyone that does is reaching.

        And to end this comment “This is not an attack on anyone’s comments it is just my opinion”

        1. That is incorrect. Competitors compete for the same customer dollars. For example, Chevrolet and Ford make different products, but they compete for the same dollars. McDonald’s and Taco Bell make different products, but they compete for your lunch budget. Their menus are vastly different but they will both admit to being competitors.

          1. Well I see that there are some who will disagree with me on the matter and that is fine as we are all get to choose what we believe. But I will say this one last thing. McDonalds and Taco Bell most likely don’t meet on the phone and in person to discuss the upcoming release of their new product. And the reason is… they really are competitors.

            Thanks for letting me express my thoughts I will now bow out of this discussion as I only wanted to offer up a different view.

            1. Now you can see where competitors don’t have to sell the same products to qualify as competitors.

              Further, we can absolutely determine that Kern and Deiss solicit many of the same “customers.” They have clearly indicated as much. That fact makes them competitors.

              If Kern’s customers were to suddenly shift all or a significant portion of their available money to purchasing from Deiss, do you think Kern would be pleased about that? After all, money is not unlimited. What one spends with one supplier is typically reduced from spending with others.

              If they are colluding to manipulate customers, and fix product pricing and availability, then they are breaking the law.

              There is substantial evidence on this website and elsewhere that they have done just that.

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