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KernIsaFake said:
Holy cow.
That excel file is nuts.
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# 8 January 2010 at 9:01 am

PsychoBabble said:
Good work.
Yes, StomperNet was Brad’s attempt to cover his self-inflicted losses at MyWeddingFavors.
Yes, the business was operated by his wife while Brad toured the country using it as “proof” of his business acumen. (Brad’s core competency is presenting the fiction that Brad is a good/competent guy, not running a business.)
Two missing pieces: John “The Greaser” Reese and Frank “Churm ‘em and Burn ‘em” Kern.
Kern masterminded the thing from behind the scenes. The SlobberNet twins could not and did not pull this off by themselves. Pre-Launch, they were hopeless boobs and got virtually their original customers by trawling other people’s seminars and signing up people in dark corners. I’m told their original offerings were not bad. Then they met Reese and Kern who showed them how the game is REALLY played.
You better believe Reese got all of his affiliate commissions. He even dictated who among the affiliates got paid and who didn’t. Reese exercised such power of these two that he was able to compel them to delay the original launch at the last minute – for his own trivial convenience. (He was busy partying with one of his really important friends.)
As for the key role that Kern played (plays?), if you watch the Tony “Rob’em” Robins video with Reese and Kern, Kern is very happy to take credit for the success of the StomperNet launch. Why do you think Robins was salivating over them? (“Hold you nose and pass the cash.”)
That SlobberNet is behind on its commissions to the tune of $1 bucks is no surprise. The “enterprise” has been financed since Day One by ripping off its promotional partners.
What you’re missing -and maybe someone with the evidence will come forward – is that unpaid commissions are just the tip of the iceberg. SlobberNet ERASED THE COOKIES of many of its original affiliates after the first launch, thus stealing who knows how much money from them in the process.
It’s got to be at least six figures total. Maybe seven. Affiliates were also threatened thusly: “Promote our next scam or you don’t get paid the money we owe you on the last one.”
As for “innocent” parties…anyone on the inside who didn’t realize this was a criminal enterprise by 2008 just wasn’t paying attention. I wouldn’t worry about hurting their feelings or besmirching their good names. They already did a pretty good job of that by continuing to do business with these freaks.
Some of the “faculty” were paid lavishly, one claimed as much as $15,000 a month in the early days. That kind of money buys a lot of selective attention.
This pattern – selling smoke to naive, inexperienced people; presenting false success “credentials”; using “charity” and or “Christian” good works as a cover; fucking over sales associates – is business as usual for the Reese FAMILY. Yes, this is a family thing. (Read my notes in “Just Like My Taxes”)
Who knows what cesspool Kern crawled out of, but keep in mind as soon as Kern was busted by the FTC (2002?2003?), Reese was knocking on his door and they’ve been bosom buddies since. I’m sure they understand each other perfectly. (Reese normally does not stick with colleagues long once he’s extracted everything that’s not nailed down.)
Andy Jenkins? Just a lying, scheming low life who got “lucky” by landing with a bunch of people who really knew how to make the cash register ring. By all accounts, an arrogant bully with a little man complex.
Eben Pagan? BFF with all these guys since at least 2005-6. They all went out west to pay homage to him (and the other weasels described in “The Game”) Pagan supposedly taught them how to pick up girls (proof that those who delude for a living are the most delusional.)
Oh, and one other little detail. Drug of choice for this crew? Adderall crushed and snorted. Adderall is a fancy name for four different kinds of amphetamines. Breakfast of champions… if you aspire to be a raging high energy mass of hostility, paranoia and dishonesty.
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Dale Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Fascinating commentary!
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CircleJerk Outsider Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Psychobabble, you forgot to mention Slobbernet’s Bait and Switch tactic…
When they first launched, they charged 10k for a LIFETIME membership (paid $800 a month).
Yes, I was one of the schmo’s who fell for it. In fact, I signed up even though I knew I wouldn’t have time to go through the materials till 10 months later because I was tied up on a big project.
After 10 months of paying $800 a month, right about the time I was getting ready to start accessing the material, the Slobs announced that – when the first year was up – they were going to begin billing us a monthly fee to STAY in the membership.
When a bunch of us responded that we had paid a one-time fee for a lifetime membership, they denied that they had sold us a lifetime membership (amazingly enough, the agreement on the salespage and the salespage itself had miraculously been changed to support their claim that we had paid 10k for a 1 year membership).
That’s when I cut my losses and wrote them off as scammers. (Yeah, I know… sometimes I gotta be hit over the head before I “get it”).
You know what they say… what goes around comes around. And, it seems to me these guys are just BEGINNING to experience the results of their karma.
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Ron Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Now, that’s pretty scummy. Anybody that even promoted Stompernet needs to be put on the crap list as well.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
It’s not actually true, though.
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 6:12 am
“Psychobabble, you forgot to mention Slobbernet’s Bait and Switch tactic…”
I’m still working on the encyclopedia of SlobberNet scams. It’s going to be a twenty-four volume set. No money down and unstobbale payments for life. :-)
Seriously, yes, the whole thing boils down to bait and switch.
The customers were scammed. The first generation of promoters were scammed. The next generations of promoters who didn’t realize the thing had turned into a huge scam were scammed. The vendors were scammed. (But by 2008, certainly early 2009, you had to be blind to miss it.)
Pre-Lunch (and that’s a deliberate misspelling), StomerNet was just Stomper and it was a pretty good, if expensive, small group training/coaching program in SEO-based business building. They actually racked up real success stories. Serious ones.
Then they met Jon Reese and Frank Kern and the rest of the DB Brotherhood and apparently decided that things like partying in Vegas with hookers and scamming the f*** out of people was a more interesting way to spend their lives.
I guess Jenkins and Fallon were latent DBs, just waiting for their chance to shine. The fact that neither of them has ever done anything to make right in any way with any of the people they’ve burned (now THAT would fill a cruise ship) is evidence of their essential character.
But like many bullying con artists (Enron, WorldCom, Maddoff ec.) Stomper actually spent a few years doing half way decent work. Just enough, apparently, to set people up for the kill.
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# 8 January 2010 at 12:12 pm

King pin said:
WOW can’t believe it. From what I have seen the guys that play together steel together. They are all in the same sandbox and the ones in this group just take it to the people better than the rest. And the funny thing is they love doing it. Kern, Konigs, walker, filsaiem… I have not been getting emails long from these guys but it is obvious the more I am here that I would not want to be associated with the theiftom they have created together. Going back to MLM. HEHE at least there is some integrity there.
But why Drag Eben Pagan into this? He is just doing his best to bring good information to people and a high quality and high price. Even know most of the stuff people can get in a 15 dollar book, he packages it in a way that people like. Although he does hang with the rest of the Robin Hoods.
If Stomper is so bad why do they continue to get customers and grow?
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hmm Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Eben Pagan is the only one in that crowd that is tough to say anything bad about. He’s just doing pure marketing, and I haven’t heard of him fucking anyone over in any way.
Yeah, a lot of his stuff is rehashed same old self-help stuff, but it’s with his personality and interpretation of it attached, which is what people are paying for.
Kinda surprised he’s associated with some of those guys, but he’s networking with the others at the top of his field to boost his business. Simple as that.
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King pin Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
I don’t think Eben is purposely fucking people either. But after reading your response, it seems like you are giving all of them a pass because you say that he is “doing pure marketing.” Well, that is what they all are doing? And Eben is the puppet master. If he does not want to be associated with that crowd then when does he commend them in his marketing. You can’t be half pregnant. You are either part of scum which makes you scum or you are not. Still, do you think it is worth thousands of dollars for regurgitated crap just because you can put on a nice suite and act like you are special?
Even you say his “stuff is rehashed”… So Hmm what’s your position?
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X-ray Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
I agree – Pagan knows damn well who he’s dealing with. He’s far too calculating. Besides, I am sure there was at least one section… in one of the books he pulled from… on reputation, trust, and association.
But now his hand has been caught in the cookie jar. He and his fat cat friends are all part of a cartel. A money-grubbing group of scoundrels who sole focus is shafting internet marketers.
Besides, I’ve noticed there have been other gurus who simply couldn’t “Hold their noses to get the sleazebags to pass the cash.” They actually operate with ethics. So they distanced themselves. And the void they left created the opening for Eben to slither his way in. End of story!
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# 8 January 2010 at 12:51 pm

Name Not Important said:
I smell a potential class action lawsuit from their scammed affiliates.
And I am amazed that Brad lovingly accuses his ex-wife of being “nothing before he met her” in the lawsuit.
This just keeps getting better and better every day
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
During the 999 launch, in the process of making tools available to affiliates, a tool supplier copied affiliates incorrectly in an email resulting in a bunch of affiliates getting the others’ email addresses. Brad hit the roof! Guess they need to get together.
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# 8 January 2010 at 12:57 pm

GuiltByAssociation said:
It’s the shotgun approach. No different than any other form of generalization. It hits 80/20. The problem is the 20%; they have to deal with the reputation created by the 80%. Just like how everyone knocks ole’ Salty for his association with lawyers :)
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# 8 January 2010 at 1:05 pm

Don said:
It sounds like Fallon’s ex-wife is a pretty astute business woman, despite his taking credit for her success. More power to her.
The curious part of that lawsuit is where Fallon claims to have put his so-called business interest in her name because of his poor credit. If that in some way could be construed as hiding assets from creditors, it might not have been wise to admit it.
Does anyone know any of the details about his previous failed business that was alluded to in that document?
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# 8 January 2010 at 2:34 pm

Rafael Marquez said:
Dunno how you do it Droid, but you sure hit another jackpot here.
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# 8 January 2010 at 3:08 pm

SD (author) said:
Eben hearts Brad :: and everyone else in the circle jerk :: no excuses … no forgiveness …
… not to mention he is a sick little misogynist.
Fuck you Debbie DeAngelo!
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RonJon Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Boy. Pagan is either a tremendous phony or extremely insecure. Either way I am one of the suckers that bought his shit only because he convinced me. Only then did I find it was simply crap. I don’t mind spending money but when someone is putting on an act and has nothing of value except he can sell and make up stories… Boy shame on me. I hate that we can’t trust anyone anymore.
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Spot Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Well, this guy pretty much looked shady right through that whole video to me.
Did he ever take his hands away from his mouth?
This is a classic sign of having something to hide and talking bullshit.
I never watched any of these guys videos before now, ever, but if this is how they show themselves in public then Im seriously confused how they could take so many people for a ride.
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# 8 January 2010 at 3:45 pm

PsychoBabble said:
Why lump Eban Pagan with these people?
Because he lumps himself in with them.
How about this for starters:
http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/?p=51
http://www.entrepreneurs-journey.com/tag/frank-kern-eben-pagan/
http://www.gurumastermindvideoblog.com/2008/05/frank-kern-interviews-eben-pag.php
http://www.justlikemychild.com/join-promotion/
And this serious evidence here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4J4xdQXSiE
And for those who think they got a good deal spending hundreds (thousands) of dollars to Don DeAngelo for dating advice, spend $15.95 on a paperback called “How to Succeed with Women” and read pages 13 through 15 and let how you’ve been scammed sink in.
Taking advantaged of the naive, the inexperienced, and the desperate – and keeping them ignorant, dazzled and most, of all, hooked. That’s the business all these guys are in.
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Quotus Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
“Tell me what company you keep and I’ll tell you what you are.” (Cervantes)
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PaganWatcher Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Eben Pagan is a master of presenting himself and his scams as non-sleazy while simultaneously surrounding himself by the worst humanity has to offer.
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# 8 January 2010 at 3:46 pm

PsychoBabble said:
“Does anyone know any of the details about his previous failed business that was alluded to in that document?”
Pre-Internet Fallon was involved in “direct sales” which could be anything. No idea what he was selling. Could be door to door, could be tele-marketing.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
At the time Jennifer (Nichols) Fallon met C. Brad Fallon she was working at WestLaw and he had just left WestLaw. Brad was CEO at Vital Benefit, a venture capital company. He later worked at Lexus, also a venture capital company.
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SD Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
The legal publisher Westlaw? How apropos :: talk about scammers! The sooner Google puts that piece of shit company out of business … the better.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Yeah, that WestLaw! They had WestLaw Online that she promoted and also FindLaw.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 1:14 am
Fallon filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2005 in order to discharge an IRS tax debt.
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Ding Ding Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 1:26 am
BINGO!
The bankruptcy trustee needs to receive a copy of that document where he now claims a concealed interest in his ex’s assets…
Could that possibly be…FRAUD??
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 1:57 am
Yeah, reviewing the “War of the Roses” PDF, it seems from paragraphs 12 and 17 the wedding favors business was started in 2004. So he filed bankruptcy after deciding to hide his ownership of that business. In 2004 he was probably in a legal fight with the IRS that eventually lead to the bankruptcy in 2005.
Guess a copy of that PDF needs to go to the Federal Court for his area in Georgia.
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Ding Ding Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 2:24 am
Exactly. So he could possibly now owe that debt (and any others) again, along with penalties and interest dating all the way back beyond 2005 to the original debt period. PLUS, there might be SERIOUS additional consequences for not revealing the asset, if he did not. The PDF does not reflect well on him, AND it is his signed statement.
U.S. Bankrupcty Court, Northern Georgia
http://www.ganb.uscourts.gov
Donald F. Walton, United States Trustee
Office of the United States Trustee, Region 21
362 Richard B. Russell Building
75 Spring Street
Atlanta, GA 30303
404-331-4437
Snail mailing a printout of that PDF, along with a cover letter, clearly outlining the implications, could be of major interest to the bankrupcty trustee.
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Ding Ding Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 2:41 am
What’s more, the IRS might -also- be VERY much interested in knowing about this.
They might be interested in BOTH of 2 entirely separate aspects:
1. If IRS lost that earlier tax debt through a fraudulent bankruptcy filing (and it sounds plausible that they may have);
and additionally-
2. If that ownership should have had any associated income or equity reported to the IRS under Brad Fallon’s name during ALL of those years he “clandestinely” had ownership.
Here’s the simple IRS report form:
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=106778,00.html
For best results, one could also snail mail them the PDF printout and a clear, detailed cover letter.
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# 8 January 2010 at 3:48 pm

PsychoBabble said:
Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, Brad Fallon, Andy Jenkins, and countless other DBs can all be traced back to one day: August 17, 2004, John Reese’s supposed “The Million Dollar Day.”
Reese tells the story to Tony Robins.
It’s a classic:
http://www.kingsbest.com/john-reese-talks-to-tony-robbins-about-his-million-dollar-day/
If you have good visual acuity (as Pagan likes to say) and can read micro-gestures, you’ll have a field day with this video. Reese’s body leaks the truth all over the place. Got to hand it to Kern though. He’s found the right formula or drugs and booze to keep obvious lies from looking obvious.
Just one gem among many: “If you want to make $10 million a week, there’s a plan for that.” Yeah, right John. Just take action (i.e. send Reese, Kern, Pagan, Walker, Stomper – or whoever the designated DB of the month is – a pile of money.)
Kern – Reese, Reese – Kern. To focus on one without the other is to miss the deep structure.
http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/?p=51
Note: Someone should trace Reese’s oft-made 2002-era claim of having had two BILLION visitors (not hits, VISITORS) to his “stealth” web sites. He stopped slinging that one around after his “million dollar day.” Guess he found a better load of BS to peddle.
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Walter Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Is it just me or does Reese seem REALLY nervous and uncomfortable in that video with Tony Robbins? There just seems to be a major chemistry disparity between the two of them. Robbins is relaxed, and Reese looks like he could probably use a restroom break.
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SD Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Totally agree about Reese’s micro-gestures {he is a HORRIBLE fucking liar} :: and about his macro gestures {he is definitely on the verge of shitting his pants}. I don’t understand it … it’s a fake interview set up to make him look good … but he’s knock kneed anyway. Hey John :: please sue me so I can depose you under oath. I promise to be just as nice as LGAT Tony … or do I?
A billion visitors :: impressive. Anyone have an old screen cap or cache of that?
He should hook up with Dan Swanson. Dan is already doing BILLIONS in sales with virtually NO traffic :: http://www.thedanswanson.com/ :: if Million Dollar Baby teaches him how to generate billions of visitors :: then he could start bringing in TRILLIONS of sales.
… and they lived happily ever after.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
I’ve talked to John Reese in person and he cannot make eye contact. He acts like he is paranoid about his own shadow.
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IMer Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 12:34 am
Reese looks like he’s a pupil who has put a pushpin on his teacher’s chair and now he has to explain to his father why has to go to school and beg that he does not punish him.
I’ve never seen John so unsure in himself. What a LOL!
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# 8 January 2010 at 4:23 pm

SD (author) said:
@PsychoBabble
Let’s chat girlfriend :: saltydroid@gmail.com
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# 8 January 2010 at 4:35 pm

PsychoBabble said:
Re: Pagan “a lot of his stuff is rehashed same old self-help stuff”
That would be legit. Dubious, but legit, but that’s not how this DB works.
DeAngelo sells wildly complicated, convoluted BS manipulation “technique” that are virtually guaranteed to keep men stuck in an endless loop of failure – and in need for DeAngelo’s next brilliant “insight.”
The success stories are BS, the “experts” are shills (Tyler Durden, Papa etc. Give me a break. The only people they’re seducing are frustrated guys with money left on their credit card balances.)
It’s the old Ross Jefferies schtick cleaned up, better organized and with less blatantly obvious pathology.
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# 8 January 2010 at 4:36 pm

RonJon said:
I wonder if Tony Robbins knows what kind of bucket of shit he stepped into. Thanks for sharing these videos. The great thing about videos is that they don’t lie. Unlike this group of want-a-Be’s.
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PaganWatcher Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Tony Robbins knows what he’s doing. He’s been running his own scams for years. His intro seminar “Unleash the Power Within” is a 4-day sales pitch for his “Mastery University” multiple thousands of dollars seminar.
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RonJon Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Ya but i would not lump Tony Robbins in this. I did think to my self when I saw Tony associate himself with this group that “It wont be long before it all comes out” and whamo! It is happening everywhere I look. The shit is being exposed and now Robbins is wrapped in it as well. Pagan, Kern and the rest of them are trying to hide now. It’s funny that when they are exposed, they are not so flamboyant anymore. What’s the matter girls? Someone lifted your skirt?
The truth is a pisser, huh?
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SD Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Yeah but associating with ghetto trash is the least of Tony Robbins sins. He’s a just a slicker :: more sophisticated :: version of James Arthur Ray.
There are cracks in the hull of his ship as well. What if people knew the truth? It’s the question that the modern Internet is asking us. I think the answer is that EVERYTHING would change if the truth was laid open and available.
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karma@karma.com Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Salty I am excited now. Is there a Tony Robbins post in the workx???? ;)
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
A person can occasionally say perfectly valid, helpful things and still be a scheming, black hearted, thieving DB.
Robins is a grand master at separating trusting people from their money. Thank god he’s too lazy to run sweat lodges.
By the way, it made as much sense for DB James Arthur Ray to preside over sweat lodges at it would for you or me to rent out St Peter’s and try our hands at running a Catholic mass. From the get go, the whole concept was a travesty and a blatant rip off designed to prey on the unsophisticated.
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PaganWatcher Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:03 am
The best con men say many valid, helpful things–mixed in with many exaggerations and lies about their own success. Just read over Pagan’s or Robbins’ twitter feeds.
It’s all part of getting your confidence before betraying it. That’s the game.
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# 8 January 2010 at 5:56 pm

karma@karma.com said:
Salty please tell us more about it
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# 8 January 2010 at 11:15 pm

the voice of reason said:
First off, great post, Salty. Very interesting stuff, to hear the trials (not judicial, yet) and tribulations of Brad Fallon. You’ve done a bang up job detailing this D-bag’s ways.
It’s gut busting the way Fallon starts his case like one of his greasy sales letters with an intro (absolutely irrelevant to his case) of his stunningly “successful” entrepreneurial history, and then, almost in the very next paragraph lamely explaining that the reason he made his wife sole owner of his company is because he massively screwed up his credit as a result of a prior business failure.
Anyway, Salty, good job. But…is there ANYONE in the personal development/Self Help area you don’t regard as a D-bag rip-off artist? Really, seriously, I’m interested in knowing the answer to that. Who do you like, or respect, as providing valuable information on how someone can take control of their life and break free of the 90% of people living what Thoreau called, “lives of quiet desperation?” And you DO have to take control of your mind. Because, look around…the default of drifting is a life of settling, doing without, doing far less than you’re capable of, and, if most people have the guts to think about it, not true happiness.
Maybe you’re a bit of a socialist asshole, who has a burr up his ass over anyone with the gall to “make money off of people.”
Hey, I’m not picking a fight, here. I’m just interested.
You fucking bad mouth Robbins at every turn and it seems to be the usual “the guy has a sales funnel of ever increasingly expensive products that he’s offering up to people–so fuck that conman asshole!!”
Are you pissed that he’s making money? Jaded? Bitter? Fucking jelous? Again, don’t get your dander up, I’m just trying to understand what appears to be fucked up thinking on your part.
Yes, this whole “New Money Masters” is very disappointing. Clearly, it was a cash grab on his part. He was played BIG TIME by Kern and his bum buddies. But, it was just a pure business move by Robbins to expose his name–and products–to the huge lists of these spit swappers.
Proof that Robbins wasn’t a totally dupe–and that HE was playing these guys? Check out anthonyrobbins.com–Robbins’ official site, where all of his products are available for purchase. Search for “New Money Masters.” Nothing. No mention of it whatsoever. You can’t buy it, there. What about Kern? Robbins’ supposed newest bestest Buddy Robbins can’t stop talking about? Search for Kern. Nothing. Reese. Nothing. Walker…Polish…and every other member of the brokeback mastermind group. No results returned for any of them.
That disgraceful product was made exclusively to be pitched by these guys to their lists. Robbins knew what he was doing. It’s just surprising he’d lend his name to such an idiotic concept (this series was entirely a profile series of the asshole internet marketers).
Anyway, that’s not the reason you think Robbins is a scumbag.
Have you even read any of his books? Or listened to his CD’s? Doubtful, because if you have, you’d shut your fucking mouth and realize how stupid you sound on this issue.
So, is it the sales funnel that’s got your goat? The $15 400 page book full of irrefutable time tested (and concepts detailed long before Robbins ever came along and made them his own) valuable information? Or, his other $15 500 page book? Is it because he was just 25 when he wrote “Unlimited Power”–and thus had no right at all to write the book?
Hey, buy those books, read them (which the vast majority who buy them DON’T), apply them (which the vast majority of the tiny group who read the books DON’T), and you’re done. You…are…fucking…DONE. That’s all you need. It’s the full story, and everything you need to take control of your mind–which is the absolute BIGGEST thing standing in the way of people to live the life they want to live.
You don’t need to move through the funnel. You need to move up to Personal Power for $300. You really don’t need Get The Edge for $300. You don’t need to make the jump to attending his live seminars. You don’t need to jet off to Fiji for his $15,000 immersion program.
Why do people move up the funnel. For the reason I said the other day–which, like an 8 year old with his hands over his ears yelling “NAAAANAAAAANAAAAA…I’M NOT LISTENING”–you dismissed: People aren’t really interested in doing it, and they look for the next product as an excuse to keep from doing it.
His stuff is life changing gold, dick face (oops, I forgot…I’m not trying to get you riled up–disregard that). If you don’t think it is, you either haven’t gone through his material, or you’re a king sized asshole seeing everyone with the audacity to make a buck off of “the lowly masses” as a crooked rip-off artist.
Oh, maybe you’re one of those idiots (hey…I’m not calling you–I’m just saying…) who believe shit like “if the guy got divorced, it absolutely disqualifies him from things like talking about relationships. Nah…not you. You CAN’T be that fucked up. People fall out of love all the fucking time. Divorce is every bit as big an institution as marraige.
So seriously, Salty. Man up and answer the question. Is there ANYONE out there who you don’t think is an f’ed up lying conman?
How about Napoleon Hill? Let me guess…you think he’s full of shit because, one, he had the audacity to sell a multi-volume self help book–forcing people to buy over 10 books to get the whole story (that would be his original “Law of Success” series), two, he had the gall to publish his masterpiece “Think and Grow Rich” during the depression–capitalizing and exploiting the misery of the masses, and three, he never achieved riches for himself…other than through the sales of his books.
What about Dale Carnegie? Let me guess…the guy is scum because he packaged his $10 book into a course that costs more than $1000. Maxwell Maltz? W. Clement Stone? Earl Nightingale? Jim Rohn? Robert Schuller (ha, I can only imagine what you think of THAT guy)?
Is it all just bullshit to you?
You know what, the more I think about it, the more I think there might be something to the whole “Salty is a socialist who is repulsed by the idea of people making money providing products and services to people.”
And I’m not talking about the usual cast of IM d-bags. You’ve trashed numerous “mainstream” self-help authors, so I (and I think some of your fans) would like to know…what’s the deal with you? Are there any people within the self improvement field that you think are legit, and worth studying?
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SD Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 1:40 am
@VOR ::
Here you go sweetheart :: http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,769,page=32
Read all 34 pages of it … then come back and tell me about how great your messiah is. Sounds to me like he causes people to suffer psychotic episodes :: the kind that may make someone jump off the third floor balcony at the Horton Plaza Mall or go back into a sweat lodge after suffering severe burns :: and then he walks away not giving a shit. Throw in speech suppression :: lies :: false advertising :: and a full course that runs more than $75k :: and I think we have an obvious winner {First Prize :: Epic Clash with The Salty Droid}
Have you been LGAT’ed by Tony Robbins? Is that why you are able to simultaneously display intelligence and near child like ignorance?
I don’t endorse people .. and I won’t ever. But if forced to … I’d say start with Jesus and Buddha. They are both pretty cool … and totally free. And they will both give you the same beautiful advice …
“Pull thy head from thy narcissistic ass and try thinking about what thee can do for others.”
Ta-fucking-da :: suddenly your life doesn’t seem so bad .. cause you just stopped thinking about it all the fucking time.
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RonJon Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 9:37 am
I agree. You should not lump Tony Robbins in with these snake oil sales men. Everyone is messed up in some way but there is a difference between people that mean well and want to help others, and the scum sucking bums that want to brag about how they took everyone’s last buck for shit people can find in a decent book. And then they brag about it. Tony Robbins was simply duped by these guys and he has stooped to an all time low associating with the guys in these videos above.
I mean I am still chuckling when you watch these videos, its hilarious at the end of the brad and Eben video
Brad says “you should really watch your time and when you can have 1 meeting instead of 2 you should” and then Eben says “WOW, I hope you wrote that down because that is good”
I mean, I am still laughing. You mean, we should not wast time? OH. its the crap I was thought in high school.
This one is even better. Mike Filsaime and Eben Pagan in bed together. Literally. Listen to this 8th grade babble.
Point is that they are all together in raping as many people they can with worthless stuff and bragging about it together.
Big difference between that and Tony or valuable free blogs.
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X-Ray Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
what a bunch of fags… i think that’s a cum stain on eben’s chin
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the voice of reason Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 11:27 am
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
This sure is sounding like a religious argument and I stop having those many years ago when I found no true believer would consider the Golden Frog on my head who has make my life perfect.
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Neil Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
I don’t think anyone on earth has a problem with people helping each other.
To charge vast sums of money to help is wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Not illegal perhaps, but wrong.
Voice of reason, you sound like an awful person to know. I’m quite glad I don’t. You sound like the kind of guy my “mom” warned me about
BTW The whisper thing is also very creepy. (I find myself compelled to reply to creepy fuckers)
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the voice of reason Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
Ha, Salty, you faggot socialist…when beaten, just get rid of the evidence and pretend it doesn’t exist.
I got you pegged, fuck-face.
Sheeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiit, I knew this was a given you gutless fuck.
Beaten and OWNED!!!! Beeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaach!!!!!
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SD Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Spoken like a man who truly has mastered his own mind. Oh wait …
Special Note to readers from the GW Law Class of ‘03 :: Look who is getting called a socialist suckers! Ha! There is no limit to life’s irony.
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Insider SN Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 3:22 am
Voice of reason sounds a lot like JJ?? I thought you were in Cali finding yourself you little fucker!! You better hope no one else finds you.
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PaganWatcher Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:07 am
“is there ANYONE in the personal development/Self Help area you don’t regard as a D-bag rip-off artist?”
Don’t ask the exterminator which animals make for good pets–it’s not his job.
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NewMoonGirl Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:15 am
Voice of raison,
We know u’r going through a lot of physical and emotional changes. You can count on New Moon Girls to provide you with accurate and honest information. Body image, mood swings, puberty, your first period, and so much more!
We want to help you discover your unique voice and express it in this world. Your spatial too! Yes u r. Yes u r.
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RobbinsCritic Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:35 am
I’ve listened to Personal Power II and Get the Edge multiple times and have attended Unleash the Power Within.
At UPW the emotional peak of the seminar was dedicated to a multiple-hour long sales pitch where Robbins fired off all of the “anchors” he had set and used hundreds if not thousands of persuasion techniques all at once to sell his many thousand dollar advanced workshops–including doing explicit hypnosis, sorting the group into those who were going and those who weren’t and having the former group verbally mock the latter, claiming that if you think the price is too high that this is your “limiting beliefs” about money that will keep you broke forever if you don’t break through them now, etc. Robbins encouraged participants who didn’t have the money to make out a post-dated check and “find a way” to get the money. If you believe there is such a thing as high-pressure sales, Robbins is the exemplar. Robbins also claims to have been a key player in the invention of the infomercial. He hasn’t been duped by Kern, Reese, Pagan, et al–he’s the granddaddy of manipulative marketing.
Some old-time NLP trainers claim Unlimited Power was ghost written by other trainers in the field of NLP. I think they are probably correct–just compare the writing style with Awaken the Giant Within. And yes, power corrupts and unlimited power corrupts absolutely. The title “Unlimited Power” is a sucker test, playing off of our dark desires for power and control over others (although many of the techniques are standard NLP and reasonably effective).
That said, I credit Tony Robbins’ audio programs with helping me out of depression multiple times…only to land in mania, and MUCH more broke (even though a friend paid for my seminar admission and I did not attend Robbins’ advanced workshops). I had no cycling moods before becoming aware of Robbins’ material. In UPW, he has the crowd literally cultivate mania again and again, hundreds of times (which he calls a “peak state”). He also encourages mania (or “peak state”) in his audio and books, although it is less likely one will fully embody this aspect of his teachings only through his written word. One aspect of mania is impulsive spending, and Robbins and Ray and all the LGAT leaders use this to sell overly priced workshops. The Internet Marketing guys Robbins is now buddies with also utilize creating mania (called “bypassing conscious resistance”) to get people to buy their overpriced products. The manic after-effects from that one seminar lasted approximately 5 years, and caused me many problems.
Saying that SD or any other critic is “anti-money” is like saying police officers are “anti-fun.” No critic is anti-money, they are anti-scammers–helping to make capitalism function more rationally and smoothly for the rest of us who engage in the trade of goods and services.
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Walter Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:11 am
Insightful comment. Thanks, Duff.
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stoic Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:06 am
Yes,thanks Duff for pointing out that this ’seminar’ sales process works by directly inducing manic states in the attendees. And I’m glad that you have regained some equilibrium.
The apologia that are regularly trotted out for those who are orchestrating this mania induction, e.g. Robbins is a well-intentioned guy who has been duped by Kern, Reese et al, I find quite sickening. If Robbins is astute enough to employ these techniques he is astute enough to understand how they work and their consequences for some attendees. He has simply decided that he wants the money more than anything else and he is prepared to harm a proportion of his customers to get it.
That awful euphemism ‘collateral damage’ comes to mind.
Paganwatcher pointed out that con-men say many useful and true things, that is necessary to gain the confidence of the mark, but those useful things are mixed in with shedloads of manipulative and dangerous techniques designed to lead the mark by the nose.
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Dickless Droid Reply:
January 18th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Nice write up.
I have never attended a Robbins workshop, but I have listened to several of his “courses” – Personal Power, Get The Edge and so on. In and of themselves, they CAN be a good motivator.
Oh, and I know that he did NOT write Unlimited Power. That was indeed ghost-written. That doesn’t bother me though. MANY popular books over the years were ghost written. In the world of internet marketing, they simply call that “PLR”
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# 8 January 2010 at 11:58 pm

Dave said:
@VOR I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but here is the problem with these folks in the “self-help” arena: they are selling hope, nothing more, and hope is free. Hope is one of our inalienable rights guaranteed in the US Constitution, as in “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”. What’s the problem with selling hope, you ask? What’s the harm? A far more articulate response than I can offer to your question is provided by Robert T. Carroll here: http://bit.ly/7mKUOT but if you don’t want to follow the link, here is an excerpt that lays it out pretty clearly:
“A short amount of reflection should make it apparent that the gurus of personal development training are like those infomercial stars who promise to share with you their secrets on how to make millions of dollars by taking out classified ads or by buying repossessed properties. The real money is not in taking out classified ads or buying repossessions; otherwise, that is what the infomercial star would be doing instead of making infomercials. The real money is in selling the idea to others. If the trainers who work for Tony Robbins or Landmark Forum could realize their true potential in a meaningful, lucrative way, would they take a sales commission job? Would they work for a guru for a relatively small sum of money, while investing a rather extensive amount of time in the hopes of some sort of breakthrough? No. If they want to reach their own true potential they must break away and start their own personal training program. Which is exactly what many of them do.”
In other words, they aren’t really providing anything of value, they are only increasing your hope of achieving what you want. In order to do this, they emphasize people’s fears, search out and wave in people’s (marks) faces their vulnerabilities, then promise that if you’ll only listen to them, all your troubles will be over. And they do this knowing damn well that it just ain’t true. Reminds me of the scene from O Brother, where the two idiots get baptised and “all their sins are washed away.”
Combine that with the tactics they follow as outlined on the link SD provided, and you have someone in the running for First Class Asshole. Almost every one of the folks in the “Self-Help” or “woo” business, fall into the same category. There is a difference between this bunch and business advisors/consultants, as Michael Port does a fair job of defining in his post here: http://bit.ly/4AzGbp so don’t get the two confused.
Bottom line, when you scrape away all the shiny bullshit these folks spew, underneath it all you will likely find a greedy, needy, manipulating bully who is only worthy of contempt.
But hey, if you are ok throwing thousands of dollars into their hands to make yourself “better”, more power to you. I guess there are those of us who learn life’s lessons without some guru to hold our hand, then there are folks like you.
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the voice of reason Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
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RonJon Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Tony at least has some substance. Kern walks on stage without shoes and thinks he is some kind of something, is never prepared, unprofessional, and fill us with the same shit from “Pagan type” info and bills us again. Come on. Get a job boys, the Gig is up.
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hmm Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Kinda like how Dan Kennedy says most people are going find a way to lose their money one way or another.
And a lot of VOR’s arguments are true.
Coca cola = feel good, but value? Probably a negative value
Xbox = feel good, but value?
Lipstick example was great
Could go on and on. The sum of it all, is that stupid people will stay poor because they are fixated on buying shit they don’t need. They’re going to find a way to blow their money. If they want to blow it on some feel good emotions that make them feel like they’re bettering themselves – and hell, they might actually do it – then why not?
It’s a free market. There’s a lot worse products out there than self-help.
Salty, you should probably ban VoR, because he’s making you all look like morons, IMO.
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Ron Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
You cant be serious. Comparing Kern Brunson and Walker to coke and xbox? Corporations that sell what people want vs a few want a be’s trying to find a way to squeeze every buck from you and delivering no value?
Big difference between snake oil salesmen, and self help, and corporations. Which ones do you think are the scum of the earth?
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SD Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
That’s the kind of thing Dan Kennedy would say :: because he is so busy taking people’s money.
No value to Xbox? That’s crazy talk!
Sometimes @VoR does make good points … it’s true. It’s also true that ass loads of things in our world are just useless garbage that only satisfy false needs contrived by marketing departments and greedy executives.
But this site is about manipulative :: lying :: con men. The overall screwy state of the world offers no defense to those who have gone WAY WAY too far.
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the voice of reason Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
@hmmmm…
I don’t doubt it’s just a matter of time before salty openly bans me. The guy is a gutless coward, as seen by the fact that he’s moving my posts to month old entries that he knows damn well no one will ever see.
Geeze, what a fucking loser.
Sincerely, salty…what the fuck???
Well, the fact speaks for itself, everyone…salty wants drooling loyalty, or you’re outta here. “Gee great post…you da man, salty.” That makes the cut. Hold Salty to a higher standard and dare to challenge him?
Like a pussy coward he does the blogging equivalent to running home and hiding under the bed–he removes the posts.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…your true colors have been exposed, Salty.
Replace the posts, coward.
Oh…and is if I don’t know this post’s days (hours) are numbered.
What a fucking winner.
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# 9 January 2010 at 6:14 am

Screwed by Willie Crawford said:
This is great Salty!
I’m going to poke my pud out there and admit that I was a member of Stomernet for over a year, beginning with the Jenkins/Kern launch. I learned a few things and definitely spent a bunch of money (more than 10K not including travel expenses to conferences). I have to admit that I enjoyed meeting a number of the members and a couple of faculty, and developed a few long-term relationships. They aren’t all bad as you pointed out.
The biggest thing that pissed me off about Stompernet was the D-bag Willie Crawford whose affiliate link I bought in through. He promised a 2-day, 10K seminar followed by a full day of deep sea fishing off the coast of Florida on his “nice and shiny new boat”.
Unfortunately, when the following summer came around (2007) this d-bag stopped communicating via email, answering the phone (or maybe it was just a bullshit phone number) and otherwise avoiding his responsibility to make good on his offer, while making over 5K off my back in affiliate commissions! (Of course, maybe he got his from Stompernet too, along with other affiliates, but NOT my problem!)
After finally getting hold of him (when he wasn’t claiming my emails were “sporadically” not getting through) this jerk OFFERED, in writing, to pay me $5500.00 for not following through with the conference because the speakers ‘canceled” on him 3 times.
Not surprisingly, he reneged on that too (imagine that). Just another piece of IM shit! After filing complaints with the FTC (toothless bastards), I filed a complaint with the BBB to get it on record (man did his ratings suck!). During the arbitration he tells them he’s going to counter sue me for extortion if I filed suit to collect.
Short of the story is, Stompernet jumped into bed with some unscrupulous affiliates, and some honest affiliates regret jumping in bed with unscrupulous Stompernet management. Somehow I got caught in the middle.
I’m sure one day I’ll read how D-bag extraordinaire Willie Crawford got his. Maybe I’ll even see him on your pages one day.
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Bobby Ray Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 3:35 am
Maybe Willie Crawford will make it up to you by giving you a free copy of his Soul Food cookbook. I hear it has some tasty chitterling recipes (for city folks that’s cooked intestines, or as they say in scientific circles, poopshoots). Mmmm good: http://www.chitterlings.com
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# 9 January 2010 at 11:33 am

PsychoBabble said:
When and where StomperNet was cooked up
Frank Kern, John Reese, Dave DeAngelo (Eban Pagan), Jeff Walker, Andy Jenkins, the Rich Jerk, etc. all together In Vegas to help shill for fellow DB Yanik Silver. Date: July 2006
October 2006: StomperNet’s original “launch” Reese #1 affiliate. Kern handled the marketing.
Here they are in all their DB glory:
http://www.internetlifestyle.com/blog/fun/vegas-mastermind-2006/
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# 9 January 2010 at 3:12 pm

SD (author) said:
@franksgaycousintrey / @voiceofreason
I’m finished warning you.
Your victim bashing comments are no longer welcome here. Disparage the victims in any way .. on any post .. and I move your comment to the Sheeple posts. Make your gay little arguments over there … to science … and to an empty room … cause I’m sick of listening to you. I also reserve the right to just flat delete your bullshit.
Want to defend Tony Robbins {if I start writing about him}? Fine. Want to call the people who have been damaged by him “stupid?” Then go fuck yourself. There are plenty of places to do that … and this isn’t one of them.
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j Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Honestly, SD.
You’re moving comments because your arguments pointing to forums that most of us have never heard of do not serve as proof TR is a bad guy or his material is poor.
There are thousands of people who have been helped by his books/audio/seminars and of course there are many who have purchased and never finished reading/listening/attending or did read and never actually did anything with the new found knowledge.
Some will buy cars that turn out to be lemons, while thousands of others buy the same car and it turns out to be great for them, does that mean that the car is bad in general? No, not at all. In the self-help industry, yes they sell hope, but most of them sell systems, new ways of thinking, stuff that isn’t talked about in school, by parents or teachers, stuff that is different that being told you have to take this anti-depressant that doesn’t really work or that upper to help you feel better.
You want your blog to be an open-forum for discussion, to seem as though you really can tough it out, but you move comments that actually have bite and that you cannot adequately answer. Instead of answer the questions in the originally comment, you resort to jumping to other forums. Just as you could find obscure forums to support your argument, any idiot can find obscure and non-obscure forums to support the counter to your argument.
Have some fucking balls and answer questions in a straight forward manner, and actually be man enough to leave comments on you don’t like.
Your blog was entertaining and informative for a while, but to be honest, you are really stretching the boundaries of reason to make some people look bad or to lump a bunch of people in with those who really deserve a beat down.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
This thread is about the d-bags Brad Fallon and Andy Jenkins and how they screw their members and affiliates. I’ve been wondering why you want to hijack this thread and just figured it out!
You ARE Brad Fallon. Instead of changing the subject, why don’t you defend yourself?
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SD Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Tony Robbins is an asshole. For the moment .. that is just my off hand personal opinion .. which I am free to express in the comments just like you meat heads are free to express your personal opinions. If I decide to write about Robbins :: then you can count on a long long series of specific arguments which I will absolutely defend to all comers in these comments.
But to echo Porky :: this thread is about Brad and Andy {BrAndy} :: talking about interconnections and parallels is all good :: but I’m not going to make a sustained attack of Tony Robbins here.
There is going to be new comment policy :: which I’m writing up now. Key provision :: denigrating or attacking victims will only be tolerated on posts which specifically address that topic.
Don’t like it? Sucks to be you. I’m the fuckin’ editor roun’ here.
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Frank (not Kern) Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
I totally agree with j here. So far I enjoyed this blog and took away lots of insights. However this last comment is the weakest I’ve ever read from you, Droid.
‘voice of reason’ has put some effort in making a point, and not honoring that at all but threatening with deletion is simply fail, fail, fail. Yes, it’s your blog, do what you want!
I was a Tony Robbins -err- ’student’, and I flew to his seminars from Europe. That was one phase of my life. Today I think he has become a bullshitter, and he hasn’t moved on. He’s still teaching the stuff he learned in the 80s, and I think he’s generally dishonest. But on the other hand he is not different from many ‘normal’ guys, let’s say folks in your hood. It’s kind of human to be stuck and dishonest, and bullshitting yourself and others – unfortunate but true. So I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. It’s funny though that Robbins thinks he’s kind of a true leader. In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
I don’t blame him from earning big sums of money from his seminars and other shit. If people pay him, it’s their problem. It’s not that controversial info on Robbins isn’t out there. Everybody can learn about the dark side of Robbins. Still buying his seminars is like eating at McDonald’s. You know it’s garbarge, but you eat it anyway. It’s the customers’ choice. When all customers would grow up today, some businesses would die tomorrow. And Robbins would be back cleaning dishes in his bathtub.
It’s think it’s right to expose crooks like the Stompernet guys and the like. My feeling is that Death Ray is in a different category though. You could call him a mental case. He’s been taken over by his own philosophy. He might be totally convinced that he was making the world a better place, just like the nazis or members of the scientology’s ‘Sea Org’ (their clerics), who sign a billion year contract. Their philosophies nourish a disregard for death. If you believe in constant reincarnation over billions of years, then one lifetime doesn’t really matter so much in the big picture. If you believe that there is a superior race, death of members of other races seem to be quite acceptable. I’m not defending anything here, it’s all weird and sick, yet this is how the minds of humans work.
Death Ray should have stated on his forms to be signed by his fans that his camps have a high probability to result in injury and death. He could have advertised it loudly and I’m sure enough people would still have flocked there. People do base jumping and mountain climbing. People even drive cars. They do all kinds of stuff that can hurt them and others in the process.
Whatever you do, if you smoke, eat junk food, join the ‘Sea Org’, buy from Stompernet, believe in Robbins or Death Ray, you will have to pay a price. It’s good to inform people about the price tag, and that means in all the cases above to expose what was hidden with intent and make it visible.
And it will still be the choice of people to engage in all the bullshit, and in a free world they are free to do just that.
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SD Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Yeah I agree with a lot of that Frank. James Ray might just be a total maniac. He is a special level of asshole … even in a place where only assholes are discussed.
I’m not ready to start bashing Robbins full out … or to say how bad he is in comparison to the others. If I’m going to do that … I’ll do my homework first. But I have been :: for months :: watching him cavort with the d-bags I am hounding. So he deserves the mentions he’s been getting around here on occasion. And he should IMMEDIATELY stop doing the LGAT shit … because it’s obviously very dangerous.
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the voice of reason Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
~ nope ~ http://saltydroid.info/sheeple-part-2-conformity
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# 9 January 2010 at 4:42 pm

Ron said:
Yep Figures. I like how the page opens up with “the usual trouble makers”. One of my girlfriends told me that all these guys will be together in Miami next month for something Eben Pagan has cooked up. They called it the blue room or something like that. Supposedly they all get together and scheme up how they can control the market and take advantage of it. I will see if I can get more info on it for you Salty. She said Brad Fallon is part of this group with Mike Filsaime as well and they will be there.
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# 9 January 2010 at 4:48 pm

kate said:
To Salty Droid,
Thank you soooo much for the info you provide. I get emails that draw me in, and have even sent in money twice to different self help things (fortunately a total of only 200 bucks) One was a complete disappointment, and the other was so-so. I have learned that anything they offer can be found for free somewhere on the internet, or ordered from Amazon in a 15.00 book.
You have all really opened my eyes to what is often really going on within these groups. The best, most helpful, and most enlightening info I’ve found and continue to search is free or donation if want. You all provide us gullible, pathetic self-help search people with seeing the side of this stuff that we wouldn’t see otherwise. This stuff is so important to know.
I was skillfully manipulated by a con-man for over a year and lost ALOT of hard earned money (including my retirement). This stuff is alot like my con man, only they are skillfully manipulating many more people all at once. (And in James Rays case—to the point of death, covering up death, and running away and crying like a scared child and NEVER taking a speck of responsiblity–unbeleivable!)
Anyway, thank you so much and keep the info coming. It is very important for people to know the whole picture. U r my new self help hero :)
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# 9 January 2010 at 6:17 pm

Tom Porky said:
Hey VOR, try making a fucking intelligent response to this! If you can maybe it won’t be moved.
Did you read the unimpressive-figures.xls? As we know, on 4-6-2009 a receiver (Luther Beck Jr.) was appointed by the court to oversee StomperNet finances. Brad and Andy came to an agreement on 7-24-2009 and on 8-11-2009 the receivership was terminated by the court. We know they owed affiliates a boat load of money. The question is, why would be receiver agree to allow an owner to be paid $100,000 and leave the affiliates unpaid?
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SD Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Yeah! Good question.
So was the receiver appointed because of the original Andy vs. Brad lawsuit? If not, then who instigated the receivership?
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 12:09 am
Yes, receivership was part of the suit between Brad and Andy and was intended to prevent Brad from taking anymore money from the StomperNet accounts.
It is interesting that the amount Brad took resulting in the suit was $100,000. Guess what Andy got in the end was the same and they probably called it a special distribution. I’m sure Andy would not sell his 50% for just $100,000. Also a company can only buy back stock using retained earnings, which they did not have. So, it would have to be a distribution but then again, distribution can only be made from retained earning, so who knows what kind of creative book keeping went on.
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Insider SN Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 3:12 am
Is that you Tom Ham???
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# 9 January 2010 at 7:58 pm

Ron said:
How Funny. The VOR writes and talks just like Frank Kern. Sounds like one of his worthless emails he sends out. Honky tonk beach trash talking. I Think we hit a nerve folks and the movement is swelling. Especial because the people in Tony’s office are reading this right now. I KNOW FOR A FACT.
AAAHAHHHH Fucking people always comes around in the end. And the end is near for these fuckers. Wait till you all see what hits early Feb about this group.
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LW Reply:
January 9th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Phony self help and internet marketing GRQ routinely bash their own customers. What company publicly calls the people who spend money on their products losers, idiots, cowards and lazy? You would think, with what, a 80-90% failure rate for their products? that they would at least put some small effort toward asking why so many refunds, and try to improve. But no, it’s not that their products are useless and misleading, it’s that their stupid customers can’t get their act together.
And wouldn’t you know, this is also a technique of emotional abusers. Never admit fault. Never apologize. Blame the victim. Start the name calling when questioned. And most of all, never look within and try to find out what went wrong.
Real self help and real businesses don’t bash their customers. So that’s one red flag right there.
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# 9 January 2010 at 10:51 pm

Dave said:
Well, well, why am I not so surprised that VOR turns out to be FGCT and is probably half a dozen other commenter names as well. The style kind of gives it away, as well as the shrill harping. Now Ron points out the style is consistent with one of the major D-bags writing as well. I guess MPDS is real.
Once more punk/VOR/FGCT/Frank Kern, repeat after me “bullies will not be tolerated, victims are not to be bashed”. Seriously man, I think you need some help, and not the New-wage kind.
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_cartman_ Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 11:53 am
You mean that manic-depressive type posting style indicative of someone with serious mental aberration?
I’m just waiting for pictures of his “inventory” to show up, and then he’ll be trying to convince people that the reason they can’t sell a $25 bottle of “grape” juice, is because 90% aren’t trying.
And seriously, what type of person needs to pat themselves on the back with their own shill responses.
FGCTVOR is so sad.
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not_cartman_ Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 11:54 am
Cartman you are so brilliant! You must be smarter then Einstein!
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_stan_ Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Cartman is brilliant! Way to be brilliant.
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# 10 January 2010 at 3:36 am

208-577-6210 said:
@VOR
When you arrive at a site where ‘D-Bags’ is the biggest text in the tag field, do you honestly expect neutrality? Do you expect Salty to interrupt his posts with “But we can’t be totally sure Robbins is an asshole without confirmation from his office; so let’s keep an open mind for now”?
The purpose of this site is to provide a counter argument to the mindless, endless, baseless hype that these criminals circulate to inflate their reputations. To hold them to account when they blatantly abuse and steal from those around them. So yes, the commentary is negative, but at least it has substance, which is more than can be said for arguments from the opposing side. And if this blog stays around for another 5 years it still won’t have outweighed (in volume at least) the staggering quantity of pure, unadultered shit circulated by your guru, and his new internet friends.
There’s a litmus test for this, and it’s an eye-opener if you’re finding the droid’s moderation policy an excessive one. Go to the blog/website of a well known internet marketer (any discussed here, especially Robbins!!) and try making a reasonable criticism (or an incoherent rambling mess, if it’s easier.) Do you think they’ll be kind enough to provide a link to your post in its new location? Or will you be deemed a ‘negative thinker’ and completely obliterated?
One side can’t stand up to rational argument; the other can (and judging by the number of times your posts HAVE shown up, is generally willing to respond.) The reason for the moved posts, as has been communicated to you time and again, is your readiness to buy into the hype from Robbins et al that their customers are just morons. It’s baseless, offensive, and patronising.
As a side note, don’t you realise the position you put Robbins in here? If his customers succeed, his stuff is golden. If they don’t, his customers are morons. There’s no risk on his part whatsoever; no way he can lose. And it doesn’t matter how good his stuff is then – it’s this attitude that is dangerous above all else. It creates god complexes and mindless cult followings; it allows ‘The Secret’ to be paraded around in the guise of science, without falling under any scrutiny; it facilitated James Arthur Ray in Sedona. Scrutiny is a good thing, and as long as Robbins and the internet ‘gurus’ slink away from it, it would pay to be a little more suspicious of their methods.
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the voice of reason Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Gee, 79 comments–more than double Salty’s usual feedback. Seems to me, people want more than the fucking useless and stupid “D-bag A sucks” blog post, and then a couple of dozen “yeah, he sure does…good post” responses.
Too bad Salty is too much of a little girl hiding under his bed to man up and allow posts to stand and create a dialogue.
“oooooooooooooooooo don’t attack the victims.”
What a fucking panty waste pussy you are salty. Really think your visitors need to be protected against a harsh point of view? Really think they WANT to be protected?
Out of touch retard. Look at the posts they’ve fired back. They can handle themselves just fine, without super lib nanny Salty feeling the need to protect them as some parent would a slow learning feeb who can’t defend himself/herself.
Too bad you’re such a fairy loser, salty. 79 comments. By far the most any of your lame “hey, check out how much Harlan sucks” type posts have ever generated.
Fine, fuck-stain. Go back to running your boring little predictable site. I’ll still check in, but I doubt I’ll do you the favour of posting a comment.
Kern et al, if you’re out there reading this, Salty is an impotent little girl-man. You probably already realize it, but you have nothing to worry about. The guy is a coward who wilts at the first push back.
Cry and deny it all you want, Salty…your sad pathetic actions regarding my post tell everyone all they need to know.
La-la-la-llllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooser.
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LW Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Nice tantrum you have going. I think your posts should stay right here, where everyone can see how well Tony Robbins stuff works for personal development. Because you sound like one REALLY personally developed person. One thing we now know TR DOESN’T teach: civil discourse or posting while sober.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
@VOR, after reading your post, including the moved ones, your argument boils down to:
Leave Tony Robbins alone because his stuff helps people who will spend the time to understand and apply it.
I guess using your same logic, we should leave the priest who molested young boys alone because the teaching of the Catholic church helps millions of people have a better life.
You may have more creditability if you separate the message from the messenger.
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# 10 January 2010 at 10:11 am

PsychoBabble said:
“…It creates god complexes and mindless cult followings.” By design. That’s the key.
The Arch DB of this business Werner Erhard used to say *privately*: “Preach independence. Foster dependence.”
Dan Kennedy quote this at his seminars and we all know who Frank Kern (one of the DBs behind StomperNet) acknowledges as his mentor.
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SD Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
“Preach independence. Foster dependence.” Jesus H. that is so cynical and scary … and so exactly what ALL of them are doing.
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208-577-6210 Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Correct. There is nothing accidental about the phenomenon, on the part of Robbins anyway, but VOR and the other believers have a worrying tendency not to see this at all, and inadvertantly go around pouring fuel on the fire. It gives more power to Robbins than he could engineer himself – “look at all these worshippers – I must be right!”
Incidentally, the disturbing quote from Erhard sounds like the kind of ‘profound realisation’ Eben Pagan usually structures a $2000 course around. Why hasn’t he marketed this one to his loyal following? I think we should be told…
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# 10 January 2010 at 11:27 am

Tom Porky said:
I’m sure Brad Fallon is sighing with relief that he and his d-bag partners have shifted the focus of this away from the documents SD posted.
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SD Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
I’m just going to go out on a limb and say that Brad should NOT be sighing with relief about ANYTHING right now. The pin has been pulled on his grenade … nothing can stop the explosion now.
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# 10 January 2010 at 12:24 pm

PsychoBabble said:
LOL. The focus at this moment on this thread on this blog may have *temporarily* shifted, but legal documents live forever.
Speaking of which…
Hey, what about Brad misrepresenting his financial situation to his creditors (fraud)? What about the geniuses at SlobberNet owing their marketing partners nearly $1 million with no way to pay them (bankruptcy)? What about Brad suing his wife for a piece of the business she created while he was flitting around the country scamming people (terminal asshole-ishness)?
See? Back on track. That was easy.
As Brad likes to say: “You have to think, what’s next, now?”
Now for a comedic interlude:
http://noolmusic.com/google_videos/brad_fallon_on_the_next_internet_millionaire_reality_show.php
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SD Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
I love the cuts in that video to attractive people hurriedly opening notebooks to write down some of Brad’s wisdom turds. Classy stuff.
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# 10 January 2010 at 7:50 pm

Ron said:
Hey salty
You have things on a roll. Step up the integrity a touch and keep things moving in a little more professional way. I think you will find that you will get a ground swelling of support if you do. Your doing something good by exposing the scum bags but keep it real. Just like yo did in this original post. FACTS. Nice job but if you slam people make sure it is for real so you keep credibility like you have been.
See ya and tell Pagan I want my money back because they don’t seen to want to answer the phone.
As a matter of fact how about a class action suit against Mike Filsaime, Jeff Kern, Jeff Johnson, Eben Pagan, Mike Konigs, Ryan Diess and a few other of the DB? I know from people I talk to that they are fed up with the lying BS they they spue.
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SD Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Note to self :: step up integrity.
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# 10 January 2010 at 8:18 pm

News at 11 said:
We now return you (all) to your regularly scheduled program:
“The Brad Fallon Post”
Welcome back, viewers. Let’s get back to the subject at hand. Related comments?
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ken Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Ya Fallon and Jenkins are a DB. We get it. It is a bigger issue though with all the people that are part of their gang. They scheme and plan together how they will screw us. Why do you think you don’t hear about the others in their group distancing themselves? Because they are all buddy buddy together and think that it will blow over and they will just pray on us again and make another buck. You watch. There is some get together that Eben Pagan is having in Florida, I think Miami, if anyone is reading that will be there report back how many of these guys are together there. That will really show you what kind of scum these guys are. After all the buzz about what they have all done to people lately, do they have the balls to show their faces together in public? Remember what happened to the insurance companies? They screw us and then go party about it and Pagan runs it.
Lets really see how righteous these people are. Lets get a list of the people that are there and post it so we can see what kind of scum they surround themselves with.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 10th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
One who may be distancing themselves from Brad Fallon is Rich Schefren. He is one of the affiliates they owe big time. He was to present at Stompernet Live 8 and canceled at last minute giving some lame excuse about wife wanting him home that weekend. Also, he did not mail for them on the 999 launch.
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X-Ray Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Now that you mention it Tom, Schefren was noticeably absent from Kern’s mass control seminar in California, and Filsaime’s seminar in Vegas too. Very Intereting.
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Ron Jon Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Schifren is never at anything, or at least at stuff i am at.
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Follower Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Tom has a point. Schefren is now working with Agora. The head of Agora had an interesting email on Saturday. There may be hope, quote:
“The Unexpected Side Effects of Making Money (and How to Avoid Them)
My life changed dramatically and immediately when, in 1982, I decided to make “getting rich” my number one goal.
Within a few weeks of that decision, I convinced my boss to raise my compensation from $35,000 to $75,000. A year later, I was a bona-fide millionaire.
My status changed too — from just another good employee to a junior partner and employer of hundreds. This made me more confident. And that confidence had a noticeable effect on everyone I dealt with. They took my opinions more seriously. They gave me more respect. Most memorably, my lifestyle changed. Instead of eking out a modest living, paycheck to paycheck, I was able to buy cars without asking how much they cost.
But making this change happen had two negative consequences:
1. I gave up thousands of hours of good times with friends and family.
2. I did a few things I wish I hadn’t.
When I set that goal, I knew there were more important things in life than money. But I suspected that I would be more likely to achieve it if I made it my number one priority. That turned out to be terribly true. There is enormous power that comes from saying “I will put this goal above all others.” It is impossible to understand that power until you have experienced it.
Most people won’t even dare to try. And maybe that is because most people have more sense than I had back then.
I didn’t recognize how monomaniacal I would become. I didn’t anticipate how willing I would be to put my family second. Most of all, I didn’t realize that I would be making some ethical concessions along the way. When my partner and I were accused of misleading advertising, I was actually shocked. All of our copy had been run by lawyers. It was accurate to the letter of the law. How could they call it misleading?
Because some of it was.
I had talked myself into accepting an exaggeration here and there. Individually, they didn’t amount to much — but strung together, they manifested themselves in advertising copy that was just plain over the line. Not all of it. Eighty percent of the stuff we did was very straightforward. But that 20 percent got us into trouble.
I regret the compromises I made every time I think about it. So now, when I look back on my decision to make “getting rich” my number one goal, I feel that it was a big mistake. In the 30 years that have passed since then, I have continued to make plenty of money. But I’ve done it without sacrificing other important goals.
Knowing what I know now about making money, it’s easy to see that I could have made the millions I made — and plenty more — without neglecting my family or getting into trouble with the regulators.
And that is what I want to talk about today: how you can set money-making goals — even very ambitious ones — without sacrificing any of your other goals or doing something you will regret.
……………….”
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SD Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
and yet ::
7:18 seconds into the video on his site …
http://www.strategicprofits.com/fc/index1.html
… is this
“His very first group of just 25 coaching clients from 2006 increased their online business revenues by over $40 million dollars combined… in just 18 months alone…”
and then a list of names which includes …
Mike Flsaime
Jeff Walker
Ryan Deiss
Brad Fallon
Joel Comm
etc.
If Rich wants me to think he’s not a part of it … or a root cause of it … then he better man up and say it to my face … followed by answering my fucking questions. Because hints and allegations of reform will not satisfy me … nor will it distract me.
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Follower Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
Yeah, Rich does have checkered past. BTW, the email I quoted was actually from head of Agora, Michael Masterson, not Rich Schefren.
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# 10 January 2010 at 8:31 pm

Tony said:
One of those documents Salty posted appears to have itemized entries for “Kern” commissions and “urgent” commissions. Then, there is yet another HUGE number for owed commissions, I guess which covers most general affiliates. The way I read it, some people (like Kern) got priority payment, while others were SOL. Anybody who sees that who is still owed money will probably be more than just steaming mad about it. I wonder what the odds are that those people will see the money that is rightfully owed them.
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 8:37 am
“temized entries for “Kern” commissions and “urgent” commissions.”
This supports my previously posted contention that when talking about SlobberNet, you have to include Kern and his sidekick John Reese.
The business was fronted and owned by Fallon and Jenkins but was largely conceived by and made a reality by Kern and Reese who were always paid – and paid lavishly – while virtually everyone else who did business with these DB was screwed blue.
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 8:38 am
The odds that affiliates will be paid?
That’s easy.
ZERO.
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Bill Reply:
January 18th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Well, IF there was any fraud involved, and the corporate veil could be pierced because of it, then the principals’ assets might then be fair game for distribution. So people should not just roll over on this!
At the very least, if you are owed money you should immediately contact the Georgia Attorney General’s office if you suspect fraud.
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Last point…The accounts payable statement is only the commissions SlobberNet admits that they owe.
I have it on good authority they monkeyed with affiliate cookies and were underpaying affiliates since Day One. Whatever is on their books as owed, multiply by three or four, or more.
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# 11 January 2010 at 1:10 am

SD (author) said:
Interconnections-a-plenty ::
The circle jerks {to include Evil Jowls} :: not just in my town … but in my neighborhood :: http://picasaweb.google.com/thomashbeal/ChicagoGreenRoomDaBears
And the Vicious GardenGnome {Mike Filsaime} get’s LGAT’ed by @VOR’s messiah Tony Robbins :: http://picasaweb.google.com/thomashbeal/TomBealWithTonyRobbinsAtHisFijiResortNamale#
>> toodles
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# 11 January 2010 at 3:57 am

Aspen Brands said:
Jennifer married Brad in May of 2003. She had her own home and he had a condo that his parents had to sign for due to his credit history. Jennifer had an 8 yr track record with Johnson and Johnson moving up the ladder every year or two and then left on good terms and went into big ticket sales with software in the legal and then healthcare industries. Brad did not have any assets when he married Jennifer. She runs the Aspen Brands as CEO and the key brands are kate Aspen and Baby Aspen and then there are many e-commerce retail sites that are under the overall umbrella.
Jennifer cares about people and it is obvious by the decisions that she makes and the family atmosphere and loyalty she has created at her company. Brad Fallon is definitely a smart guy but smart does not equate to integrity nor does it equate to the ability to execute and ultimately make sure that the end consumer is happpy which is something Jennifer Fallon preaches constantly. Brad is definitely a charismatic guy but his drive for wanting to be a billionaire can take a toll on his relationships, partnerships, and customers.
Not really into the internet marketing gurus but I do think that if your only goal is to make as much money as possible, then you dont create something real, something that has value, something that helps others, and somemthing that you feel good about. The lawsuit against Jennifer is bogus and unfortunately she may be paying cash out of pocket to Brad since he has driven every start up he has attempted into the ground while she has continued to focus on her company strengths. But ultimately the asssets will be split in the divorce, not by the lawsuit where Brad claims ownership of the companies after filing bankruptcy post Jennifer starting the company. There is a trial date set for the divorce and the charges were ordered to be dropped against Jennifer in the above case since they will be ultimately handled in the divorce.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Those who don’t know Brad, will not recognize how charitable and generous the words above actually are. This is as close to “something nice to say” as anyone can honestly get.
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Roy Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 11:23 am
That’s just sad. If karma can be counted on, maybe Brad will end up with nothing (eventually).
There is nothing to prevent Jennifer from starting a parallel business with her other partners and leveraging her experience and contacts (being careful not to use any of the other business’ resources). That is, once she is out from under the divorce stuff.
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SD Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
@AspenBrands ::
Thanks for the comment. I agree with Unicorn that it was incredibly charitable to Brad. Maybe he was “smart” and “charismatic” at one time … but by now he’s morphed fully into a parasitic leech without redeeming qualities.
The divorce is obviously his best chance to get a taste of these companies he doesn’t own :: so I can’t quite figure out what the strategy behind this crap suit was. It makes him look so pathetic … what was he hoping to gain?
It’s actually pretty funny :: his new money making strategy is as old school as it gets :: GOLD DIGGER
Maybe that will be his next info product :: “21st Century Man: Making Money Like A Victorian Lady “
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Hate Brad Felon and Andy Jerkoff Reply:
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:30 pm
I knew Brad and Jennifer in 2003 – worked for them as Brad tried to sell EMRs. He was also selling Flash ads to car dealers, and was working for a legal firm. We had meetings at my house, and Felon never once sat still…never. Focus was nonexistent. Jennifer was always nice, always a good person to deal with. Felon wanted to pay me much less than I wanted, so we lasted a week. In that week, every email he sent to anyone about me talked about how I was the most “killer” copywriter working(he never read anything I wrote, and ended up hating my style completely).
I was glad we fell off after a week – and about a year and a half later, I read how Jennifer’s site was taking off. About a month later, I read where Brad was making millions off it – and he was touring the country selling his “guru” abilities.
Never been a slicker conman than Felon – he cleans up well. He also thinks like a lawyer, and will not let you pin him to anything he can’t control.
I am really enjoying watching this all go up in smoke around him. I feel sorry for any of you that got duped – and encourage a class action. Make that fucker pay…he had no qualms about making you do it.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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# 11 January 2010 at 10:00 am

PsychoBabble said:
The SlobberNet Business Plan in a Nutshell:
1. Raise expectations sky high, but tell no one – not prospects or affiliates – what the program
cost will be until the last minute
2. Pledge all-inclusive training, but deliver endless pitches for additional BS scam programs
3. Rip off your affiliates with accounting “errors”, cookie deletion, and just flat out non-payment
4. Threaten, harass and otherwise abuse customers and partners who complain
5. Make sure Reese and Kern who made the whole scam possible get paid
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# 11 January 2010 at 10:01 am

PsychoBabble said:
I’m not happy for what Jennifer Fallon is going through (& will continue to go through), but divorce proceedings are public. All of Mr. Fallon’s dirty laundry will be on public display as a result.
Back up the truck…I’m sure there’s a lot of it.
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# 11 January 2010 at 10:27 am

SD (author) said:
I heard this explanation of the “Kern Analysis” figure :: and I like it.
That was money that Kern “owed” to StomperNet. Because often the circle jerks don’t actually exchange funds as they know there will shortly be some opportunity to even things back out via some other “group product” without money actually needing to change hands.
You can think of lots of reasons why that might be financially advantageous :: and none of them are good.
Entrepreneurs going it “alone” :: how inspirational.
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# 11 January 2010 at 11:29 pm

Insider SN said:
SD, Don’t know how you know all this SHIT but it’s the absolute truth! Fuck you “voice of cunt reason” because you don’t know SHIT. I worked for those mofos and I know they lied & stole from everyone including each other!! Wanna see the proof give me a PO Box and I’ll send you all the fucking low life proof you need from overpaid “protected” boobers, to triple dipping affiliates/faculty/C-executives slash slash the fuck slash, inside sales manipulating numbers, cunt sucking mother fuckers I hope they all choke and die off their little implanted balls, dickless piece of shit! They hurt a lot of so called good people…I say so called because by 2008 everybody inside the virtual walls of SN knew they were scammers and rode with it! You wouldn’t believe the “private” company chats that went on to stroke Andy’s little dick while Brad pretended to be the “good” of the two evils simply because his punk ass was hiding the fuck out! Bring on the motherfucking class action suit.
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SD Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 3:38 am
Forget about @VOR :: if you feed him he’ll just get stupider :: and then we’ll all suffer.
But I want to see the proof 4 shizzle :: and unfortunately for me :: and thanks to the aforementioned small dicked Andy :: my PO Box is now public info.
as is my email :: saltydroid@gmail.com
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Insider SN: You wouldn’t happen to have the “success stories” Andy presented online where the numbers in his bank records were photoshop “enhanced” – and didn’t even add up – would you? By the time, I heard about them, they were taken down. I never got the URL.
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# 12 January 2010 at 2:41 am

KernsSucksBalls said:
LOL.
John Reese actually sitting on Jeff Walker’s lap
http://picasaweb.google.com/thomashbeal/MassControl2009SanDiego#5367027412017771058
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# 12 January 2010 at 8:44 am

an obsevation said:
Not wishing to enter the generality of this on any side, but noting from the PDF that it states that in a past deposition the wife testified under oath a couple of years ago that brad was an owner of mywedding, so she either tells porkies or brad was important in the creation of mwf
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Hedgy Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
An “owner” could mean .01%. It’s unspecified. Nonetheless, things could have changed in those “years,” and given that it was all verbal anyway, the paper (or lack thereof) does him no favors.
There may be some interested parties wanting to know more about Brad Fallon’s admission of intentionally placing his purported “assets” in Jennifer’s name because of his bad credit situation. Let’s see where that admission leads. It sounds like a potentially massive achilles heal for him. Given that, I’m really surprised that Brad hasn’t seriously considered walking away from it and simply moving on.
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SD Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
@obsevation
That’s a highly specific way to enter in without being “on any side.”
I suppose you refer to Paragraph 36. But who gives a shit if he was “important in the creation” :: even if that were true {which I highly doubt because he is without goodness … and has no skills} :: it means exactly jack. “But she said” isn’t a legal argument :: it’s just weird.
And there really aren’t any “sides.” Brad is an asshole who needs to be stopped. What’s the other side? That he’s an asshole who should be allowed to continue?
Do you hear Brad defending himself? Do you hear ANYONE defending Brad? Cause I don’t.
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# 12 January 2010 at 9:37 am

SD_Luva said:
I’m definitely entertained by this blog and SD. But a couple of things need to be said.
When are all of the marketers commenting and whining on this blog going to step-up and take some responsibility for their own actions and choices.
C’mon, none of these gurus held a gun to anyone’s head. They didn’t run a three-card monte on you. Give me a break.
They put out a sales pitch and you bit. Period.
And because you probably didn’t even do anything with what you bought you’re bitchin about how “immoral” they are? How they’re “scammers”? How all they are is out to get everyone and make a buck?
For every 100 cry babies out there there are a couple of people who stepped-up and did what they were supposed to do when they bought one of these products and got the results they were shooting for.
Stop putting the blame on someone else and take responsibility for your actions as an adult. Sheesh.
Am I saying there aren’t any shady marketers who don’t just care about the money? Of course not. But all of these gurus aren’t the ruthless jerkoffs you’re trying to make them out to be. Not by a long-shot, my friend.
For all of the gurus that are just out to get over on the suckers I hope they get what they deserve.
But it ain’t going to happen because of little ole SD or this blog.
Sure, the whiners and complainers will have fun spending their time here complaining about how they’ve been “robbed” and how they’ve been “swindled”. But when the dust settles SD will be seen as nothing more than a pissed-off, miserable blogger who did nothing more than try to come-off as a hot-shot “I’m bringin em down” wanna-be.
I will say this though, SD does have some balls. Kind of like the little fat bully on the playground who thinks he’s something he’s not only to get his ass kicked and laughed at later on.
All in all the blog is fun to read. I will miss it when SD disappears back into oblivion. Or is exposed as a fraud himself. Whichever comes first.
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208-577-6210 Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
I don’t personally know the droid – so he may well be a sad, miserable fraud. In all honesty I doubt it, but it’s unimportant anyway.
Whatever the droid’s motives, enough evidence exists to point to the fact that StomperNet is a ridiculous fraud. If the droid kills himself because his existence is too miserable to comprehend it doesn’t make StomperNet any less of a fraud. And if only one person visits here before becoming a customer or affiliate, and changes their mind as a result, then this blog has served a valuable purpose.
None of the propaganda for the (secretly miserable) ‘gurus’ can offer any kind of useful evidence, and the tired old defence of their stuff is just to ignore all rational argument, and start calling names. Exactly what you’ve done. If this place is so pointless, why visit? Why post?
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_cartman_ Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
“They put out a sales pitch and you bit. Period.”
First I didn’t “bite” anything, so imagine that. I am taking responsibility, responsibility for others deceptive actions, and doing my part in disseminating the truth (isn’t that the fucking universal “law”, the “law of attraction”). I am but a fucking pawn controlled by forces greater then myself. You see, I wouldn’t even be here, if those fuckheads didn’t attract me to them.
It wasn’t a three-card-monte? Okay, lets give you that, they’re advertising techniques are more akin to a shell game (is that better for you), except the pea doesn’t exist, so no matter which shell one chooses…one loses..
Bernie Madoff made a sales pitch, and people bit, based on your reasoning his investors were at fault…I mean fuck them…nobody held a gun to their heads. See, your logic fails on the most basic of premises.
Now enough with the cheap psychological games, I bought a e-book on psychology and have a doctorate (from doctorit.com), so this whole first agree (create a common “bond”), and then make your argument is weak psychological ploy, which works on retarded poo flinging monkeys (are you a retarded poo flinging monkey?).
“Am I saying there aren’t any shady marketers who don’t just care about the money? Of course not. ”
There you go, your generalization that they exist, indicates that you have no idea who the “shady marketers” are, so if you can’t say who is a “shady marketer”, you can’t say, who is not. Since “shady marketers” aren’t going to admit to being shady marketers, by their very nature.
Game, set, match…pass the burritos…
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SD_Luva Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
First, man-up. You did bite. Say it like it is.
Don’t hide behind a victim’s mentality and blame the magical law of attraction on your decision.
“I am but a fucking pawn controlled by forces greater then myself. You see, I wouldn’t even be here, if those fuckheads didn’t attract me to them.”
That’s how you take responsibility for your actions? Next thing you’ll be telling us is how Kern’s animal magnetism is the real reason you bought his course. Just admit you got sucked in and move on.
Also, “the pea doesn’t exist, so no matter which shell one chooses…one loses”??
So nobody has ever benefited from any of these gurus’ products?
There aren’t hundreds if not thousands of people out there who swear by some of the stuff they learned from these guys?
C’mon man. Your just pissed because you’re not one of them. And because you spent your money only to do nothing with it and reap no benefits. And now you’re crying the blues.
With the utmost respect — you’re the prime example of a loser. Someone who blames their failures on the actions of others and claims “the law of attraction made me do it”.
I guess you really are a sucker.
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_cartman_ Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
“First, man-up. You did bite. Say it like it is.”
I don’t need to bite anything, since I can get the shit for free.
“That’s how you take responsibility for your actions?”
I would talk about sarcasm…butt….nuff said…
“So nobody has ever benefited from any of these gurus’ products? ”
By benefit you mean someone that sold the lie to someone else. I don’t see thousands of satisfied “customers” I see pictures with written word beneath it. I see frauds claiming to be gurus (while all metrics point to the contrary), in order to sell the scam to others. I see false dissemination of metrics to prove a point…that is what you consider benefiting.
Hey, and continuing on your logic, the money Madoff “invested” benefited thousands (not everybody lost, just most did), except it was detrimental to a lot more, but as long as someone benefits….right?…fucking bimbecile…
So if one person steals from a bank, that is wrong, but if that person shares (and many benefit), then it’s okay….great logic….
“I guess you really are a sucker.”
For answering a troll (twice)…guilty as charged…btw, is this your new permanent persona…or will you be back under another disguise?
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not_cartman_ Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Cartman is such a fucking genius!! Way to go Cartman! I don’t even know Cartman! Note our different “handles”. Note how I don’t use dots? Need I say more? I’m a real testimonial for Cartman’s brilliant!
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_cartman_ Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Thank you not_cartman_….I knew right away you were one of my 10’s of 1000’s of real satisfied readers of my posts….hell you had a different name and everything…..I’m glad my post benefited you….possibly millions have benefited by my posts…
Tomorrow I am off to the vatican to speak for the pope, and soon there will be world peace!!
See my Supporters are strong!!!!
my head hurts again….
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Reality One Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Commenter, you are an arrogant prick. Here’s some real world psychology for you. You are a scammer or a wannabe scammer, and you desperately want to feel that warm and cozy fake “invicibility through numbers” kind of feeling. You know, thinking that there is a protective layer of “like minded” people that are likely to take any fall before you get noticed and fall yourself. There is a reason you wrote that lengthy and convoluted diatribe, and it’s because you have some skin in the game. You are one of the bad guys.
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# 13 January 2010 at 12:43 pm

SD_Luva said:
And if anyone else would like to talk…please get in touch with me!!
Chief Marketing Officer
StomperNet
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208-577-6210 Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
How? We don’t have any contact details from you…you know..the kind that legitimate companies make available. Why not show your real name? An email? A phone number?
Or stay anonymous if you need to but then put forward some actual evidence that you’re not a total fraud. Even if you think the droid has a vendetta there are plenty of others here with open minds, who’d pay attention if YOU ACTUALLY USED THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO AN ALLEGATION.
I’ll say it again, though you conveniently ignored it the last time: name-calling in response to the droid’s articles is just not enough. Answer the allegation. (Solid PR advice, and it’s not costing you $800 per month)
If you can’t do this, why the fuck would anyone contact you?
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
So I guess you are Chris Watson at chrisw@stompernet.com
Really should give people a way to contact you if you are going to tell them to do that.
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# 13 January 2010 at 1:54 pm

SD_Luva said:
You can contact me via twitter http://twitter.com/tomham
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Oh, Tom Ham, the guy that runs the affiliate program at StomperNet. Are you going to justify not paying affiliates or is that info SD posted above just BS?
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CircleJerk Outsider Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
SD_Luva
What does that stand for… sucking dick and luvin it?
I don’t think people are whining and not taking responsibility. There are plenty of people here who have paid good money for products that they used – but the products were full of MISinformation or FALSE information that did not help earn any profits no matter how closely the training was followed.
Then there are people like me who paid $10k for a lifetime membership to Stompernet when it first launched, only to find out after 10 months of paying my membership fees that it wasn’t the membership that was going to last a lifetime, but the monthly $800 fees. Yep, SN decided they hadn’t sold us a lifetime membership after all because now they had more faculty = more expenses = ongoing monthly membership fees for all lifetime members.
Like some of the people on this forum, I have been very successful online in SPITE of the dirtbags (happy to say MY name doesn’t appear on Salty’s shit list anywhere, and I plan to keep it that way). Why? Because I do business in a LEGAL, ETHICAL manner – unlike you guys at SN.
I bet you’re the guy who blames a woman when she gets raped. I mean, after all, she shouldn’t have worn anything more revealing than a michelan man coat, should have hidden her hair under a knit cap, and not gone outside except between the safe hours of 9am to 5pm. Otherwise, how could you or any other red blooded guy resist her charms and control yourself. Right?
I guess that’s the attitude you gotta have when the ONLY money-making skill you have is stealing it from others.
(Hey Salty, it’s really great to be able to say it like it is… thanks for the venue man!)
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# 13 January 2010 at 3:18 pm

Tom Porky said:
SD_Luva, aka Tom Ham – Chief Marketing Officer at StomperNet, if the information is so great why did 85% of the original subscribers drop out. You have claimed more than 1800 signed up in 2006 but at time of your 999 launch you had just over 260 and that’s after 2 additional launches over that 3 year period. Hey, with that record you should be paying them big bucks to keep your job!!
Oh, but you are the great marketer who was suppose to get more than 5000 new subscribers during that 999 launch. You did not even get close to half that! And why are people dropping out so fast? It must be because of that great info StomperNet provides.
Oh, I guess it’s those free tools that surprise, surprise, actually cost if you want them to do anything really useful. But that was Brad’s original plan – bring them in at $200 and push them up to $400 or maybe a $1000.
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SD Reply:
January 14th, 2010 at 12:02 am
Damn! :: Talk about unimpressive figures!
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# 13 January 2010 at 8:17 pm

not an idiot said:
so you think it is funny to go after people’s livelihoods like that, you are quick to press the trigger just because you got some excel files. I am working for Stompernet and I am not a disgruntled employee, I am very proud to be part of the impressive team at StomperNet. If you really want to know Brad stepped in after the previous management left and had caused all the mess that he is now dealing with. Brad managed to get rid of a lot of the rotten apples that were left behind. He has started paying the affiliate debts, and what does he get for that. I guess it is easy to criticize someone else without having all the hard facts. Salty you should really get your facts straight before you start publishing all this garbage. Stompernet is here to stay whether you like it or not, a lot of good people are working there and you are messing with their livelihoods, guess you have nothing to lose, but if StomperNet will not react some of us will and we will always stand behind Brad.
Peace
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YoYo Reply:
January 14th, 2010 at 1:02 am
not an idiot, you are an idiot. Sorry, but you’ve just proven it.
The lawsuits (which contain actual sworn statements, not outside commentary) are more than enough to cast a big bad shadow on your place of employment and boss.
Good thing you are standing behind brad. It’s probably better than standing in front of him.
Hope you’ve got your resume up to date, loser.
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SD Reply:
January 14th, 2010 at 1:12 am
@notANidiot
Brad doesn’t clean up messes :: he makes messes. That’s a fact … and you should just adjust to it. Brad IS the rotten apple.
Which facts do I not have straight? Are you contesting the legitimacy of those documents? This post is pretty much all facts … as I was giving a summary of what I saw in the documents. People in the comments clearly understand them better than I do. Part of the reason I posted them was to hear explanations from people who know more about the situation than I … if you are one of those people … then please go ahead and speak. In specific … cause your general “we’ll stand behind Brad” sentiment is all but worthless.
It is unfortunate that the truth is going to hurt some of the employees … but that is on Brad and Andy … not me. Some of the commenters seem to have little sympathy for the employees :: but I don’t feel that way. This thing is very hard to escape … even after you know it’s bullshit. Especially considering that StomperNet is just the play thing of a much bigger problem that plagues the whole “industry.”
Maybe the employees should have stood up and called this thing out a long time ago. I certainly think they should have. But the fact is they didn’t. However :: to completely misquote Jesus :: let he who threw the first stone also throw the second. Dissent had been quashed :: and precious few people were even making an attempt to push back.
But now things have changed. What are you going to do now? Whose side are you on now?
If you’re on the side of business as usual :: you’re going to get run over by a bus.
And it’s interesting @notANidiot that you’d identify yourself as a StomperNet employee … and yet still feel compelled to use a proxy server.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 14th, 2010 at 2:47 am
@not an idiot
So you stand behind Brad, were your pants up? Oh yes, Brad is wonderful! After StomperNet Live 8 he calls all the faculty to his house and basically fires them all. Oh, they can stay on but without pay and they still have to do faculty office hours and participate in the forum for nothing.
You remember that promise Andy and Brad made to the apprentice members, that is, they would never have to pay again for anything BrAndy did. But Brad, being the great guy he is, decided they have to pay for the new stomper tools. Guess he figured out some way to say they are not really his product.
And then there is the problem of throwing away 3 years of work some of his members had put in building links because Brad decided to just stop paying for the service. He did not even tell the guys in Utah he was dumping them until nearly 4 months after the fact.
Oh Brad puts on a clean public face to his members, but deal with him one on one and you learn how big an asshole he is with his bullying, demeaning emails and text messages.
And don’t think we are stupid. Brad was always a 50% owner in StomperNet and if it went down to the point he had to rescue it, he did allow it to happen.
Also, if Brad is such a wonderful “SEO guru” why did he have to have Dan Thies, Leslie Rohde and Andy Edmonds work on MWF to keep it ranking and producing? With those guys helping, any of us could be SEO gurus.
Why did Brad have to run the 999 launch out of his home kitchen? If StomperNet is such a successful business that’s “here to stay”, why can’t they get a real office.
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Fat Cat Reply:
January 15th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Why did Brad have to run the 999 launch out of his home kitchen? If StomperNet is such a successful business that’s “here to stay”, why can’t they get a real office.
CORRECTION: It was not Brads kitchen…it was the kitchen of the guy he was RENTING the home from.
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208-577-6210 Reply:
January 15th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Renting in his wife’s name or his own?
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 17th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Do we know if the rented house was actually owned by Jennifer Fallon? She had significant real estate holdings from her investments before their marriage. Yeah Brad will probably try to claim 50% of all that too.
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Hans Reply:
January 17th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Ask yourself: what are the legal and civil implications of non-disclosed ownership and control of a business? Particularly related to any representations made to or information withheld from banks, merchant providers, creditors, etc.?
Brad clearly stated his intent to conceal his claimed ownership in that legal document. There is no back pedalling now.
This is a significant point worth staying focused on.
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Steve Reply:
January 18th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
OK so ya, Maybe people go through a tough time and it is a shame when your friends don’t stick by you.
BUT YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY?
Because when you hang around with people with extremely low morals like Frank Kern, Pagan, Filsaime, Diess, Belcher and others, then that is what you are. You are the scum you hang around with. If Brad wanted to clean up his act and gain back any sense of respect then he needs to get with good and decent human beings that are successful and don’t feel the need to lie cheat and steal from people. THAT’S IT. All of you that don’t understand that don’t have a fucking clue about success. Then he can start on the road to rehabilitation. But if he stays on that path he is fucked. It amazes me how people cant look right around themselves and see how their surroundings and fucking them into an oblivion. And then the people around him get the same shit on them.
It is a simple rules of the universe.
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Steven Sashen Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:05 pm
You remember that promise Andy and Brad made to the apprentice members, that is, they would never have to pay again for anything BrAndy did. But Brad, being the great guy he is, decided they have to pay for the new stomper tools. Guess he figured out some way to say they are not really his product.
The original Stomper was advertised as a 12-month program (see the still visible http://www.convertlinks.com/precart.php)
At the end of the year, they announced “Stompernet 2″ and claimed:
a) They had always planned on Stomper being a membership site (even though they had never said that in the previous 12 months) and, therefore…
b) Stomper 2 (if it was NOT a new thing, why the new number?) was not a “new BrAndy” product and, therefore, not something that qualified as part of the bonus.
And don’t get me started on the yelling and name-calling when the 10 of us “Fast Starters” asked for any of the promised bonuses(I overheard Stompernet staff talking about me — not knowing who I was — and was AMAZED at how Andy had described me).
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Carl Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:23 pm
That’s really bogus! If you don’t mind, how did Andy describe you? (It will help show people what a ‘nice guy’ Andy is…)
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_cartman_ Reply:
January 14th, 2010 at 9:02 am
“you are quick to press the trigger just because you got some excel files. I am working for Stompernet and I am not a disgruntled employee, I am very proud to be part of the impressive team at StomperNet.”
Glad to know you are a gruntled employee. Does Brad place you in the gruntle type mood? (note to Salty….spell check is missing gruntle(d) and gruntling)
I could immediately tell how proud you were “not an idiot”. Is that your name, or just a nickname stompernet “management” gave you…..hey…..that guy we just hired is “not an idiot”.
SN-Which guy?
BF-The guy sitting between not a crook and not a pedophile
SN-Oh him, I thought that was not an alcoholic
BF-Fuck no…not an alcoholic sits next to not an addict
SN-hey what happened to not a rapist?
BF-not sure….one day he just fucked off..
SN-really?
BF-i’m not kidding
SN-BTW earlier this morning you got a call from the FTC…
BF-well, if they call again…tell em I’m not here….
When are we going to meet not a cousin, not a niece, not a nephew, and all the rest of the not family?
All jokes aside, I take great offense at you using my “not” persona creation and passing it off as your own. I’ll overlook it this once, butt from now on post under your original handle; “An idiot”.
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Not A Unicorn Army Reply:
January 14th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
“not an idiot” says… “He has started paying the affiliate debts”
Is that what they tell you over there? It’s not true. Is he still stashing the cash over at FreeIQ these days?
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# 14 January 2010 at 12:14 am

SD (author) said:
Not all of the SD_Luva comments were left by the same person. Please don’t do that shit peeps … it confuses me.
And incidentally :: claiming to be someone else … and putting words in their mouth … is actually a crime in many states. I see ya’ll doing that shit in various places … you shouldn’t.
@SD_Luva #1 :: you are lame :: pull your head out. Most of your BS arguments are already addressed to my satisfaction … so I’ll just take the last one.
I’m not a bully. You are confused. See bullies make threats to people who are weaker than them … but then slink away in silence if someone has the nerve to stick up for themselves {or for someone else}. I :: on the other hand :: reserve my harshness for the strong {and vicious} … and only beating me ALL the way dead will shut me up. So I think it would be more accurate to describe me as a “fool.”
I might lose :: but if you are waiting around for me to run away … you’ll be waiting forever.
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# 14 January 2010 at 12:38 am

SaltyCheckIt said:
Two major shitbags up to no good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yE6clOae2Q
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# 14 January 2010 at 8:14 am

Dave said:
OMFG _cartman_ your dialog is hilarious! These guys really need to link up with not a killer Death Ray, and not an asshole Harlot Shitstain.
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# 14 January 2010 at 12:19 pm
» The SlobberNet Comments said:
[...] you hear that Brad Fallon and Andy Jenkins are mega-fucking-douche-bags? Yep! You did. You’re welcome.  And it wasn’t just one or two of you now was it?  Oh no … it [...]
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# 19 January 2010 at 12:48 pm

Not Gay Reese said:
This picture would make a great graphic http://picasaweb.google.com/thomashbeal/MassControl2009SanDiego#5367027412017771058
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Yezz Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Another good one: The Belch. What’s with the right-handed symbolism, or is that one of his social media methods?
http://picasaweb.google.com/thomashbeal/MassControl2009SanDiego#5367027437882419522
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# 20 January 2010 at 5:34 pm

Jim said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
This website should change its name to “Losers United”, lol.
LOSER!! ::   -7
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Jake Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 5:23 pm
That’s really deep. Scared?
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_cartman_ Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 9:56 am
Sorry Jim,
We can’t change the name just for one person. Who knows if you are even going to be sticking around.
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# 21 January 2010 at 10:45 am

Travis said:
I am so glad to see that lying, fat, smooth talking slob, Andy Jenkins in the thick of all this. That pantload can’t disappear fast enough for me. He desperately needs to be in the used car business. What an arrogant prick.
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SD Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:27 pm
@Travis :: I see him more as a nursing home janitor … or maybe cafeteria staff.
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Yoda Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Quit being so charitable, Salty.
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# 21 January 2010 at 6:20 pm

Steven Sashen said:
I was one of the first 10 Stompers and, as such, was promised all manner of expensive bonuses.
But when push came to shove and any of the 10 of us asked for what we were promised, we were ignored, slandered, yelled at and, oh, never got what we were promised.
What amazed me most, is that the 10 of us would have been happy with just continued access to the online material, which would have cost, oh, nothing for them to provide.
At one point, Andy told me that he worded his sales letter in a deliberately vague way so he could back out of providing what he promised. Of course, the only person who thought it was vague was him.
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 7:32 am
Classic Andy Jenkins. Yes, he screws people over not because it makes sense, but because it feels so good.
Webster’s uses his picture when they try to convey the meaning of “two-faced psychopathic liar.” It must be “interesting” living in that cesspool of a mind he has.
And because it can’t be said often enough, BFF with people like Reese, Kern, Walker, Silver, Pagan, Filseime, Johnson etc.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 8:09 am
@Steve Sashen, yeah the stompernet system shows you joined Oct 11, 2006 at 5:32AM. Too many people look back at that day and realize how much better life would be if they just slept all day and not joined!
You were in that “Beginners Fast Track Program” ran by Fallon and Kern. They also had Armand Morin and Mike Filsaime make initial videos but they never followed through. Remember how you could never get answers from Fallon or Kern and then after about 3 months they just dropped it all. That’s when they brought in “faculty” to try to continue offering something of value and Fallon basically left and Andy took over. Now Fallon is back in charge and it SUCKS as only he can do!!
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# 21 January 2010 at 10:36 pm

Tom Porky said:
Stacy Price was Customer Experience Manager at StomperNet and now she is out. Stacy was one of the few people at StomperNet who would go to bat for the members. She also made the StomperNet live events work. Brad Fallon cannot tolerate anyone who supports the members and stands up to him.
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# 25 January 2010 at 12:09 pm

JawDropping said:
I really, really can’t believe this. I sort of feel like I just won the lottery. Anyway, I’ve always liked Jennifer, but now she’s closer to My Hero. It’s funny, I was just this minute wondering how assholes like Fallon manage to stay married. I guess they don’t.
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# 30 January 2010 at 4:27 pm

SD (author) said:
@TomPorky ::
I see that you even deleted your anonymous email accounts :: so now I can’t talk to you at all. You win the coveted “Most Paranoid” award. A personality trait that I respect in a woman :: so I’ve acted in kind and deleted all the emails you sent me. Don’t tell me who you are :: or give me any other keys to the kingdom :: because all eyes are on me.
But :: how about some more self destructing messages with fuel for this fire?
Highest Paranoid Regards,
Droid.
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Tom Porky Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Hey Salty,
Thanks for the award. If you knew the full story you might ask why I am not more paranoid. This has already cost me real money and legal issues. You are making a difference so keep going!!
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# 4 February 2010 at 7:47 pm

SD (author) said:
Ha! Awesome!
Thank you someone ….
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 9:34 am
That is effing hilarious!
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# 11 February 2010 at 6:03 pm

Steven Sashen said:
As an amendment to my previous post about not receiving bonuses promised to the Stompernet Fast Movers, I have this quick story.
One of the Fast Mover Bonuses was “Free Lifetime Entrance to any future coaching programs Brad or Andy ever hold.”
So, after Andy launched his new Video Boss coaching program, I emailed and asked for admission.
Stacy Price and Jim Jenkins replied in a kind and timely manner, letting me know they would forward my request to Andy as soon as things settled down a bit from the launch.
And just now I got the email from Andy with my members access to Video Boss.
Thanks to Andy (and Stacy and Jim).
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# 21 February 2010 at 7:31 pm

Furley Burns said:
Tsk Tsk BF.
Are you sure SD_Luva is not BF himself?
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# 22 February 2010 at 10:19 am

Madmax said:
Interesting comments going on. Surprised that Andy Jenkin’s VIDEO BOSS is being promoted by so many BIG GUNS out there after discovering all this.
What is up with that?
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stoic Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 6:30 am
There’s money in it—but hopefully less and less as more of these scams get exposed.
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# 23 February 2010 at 6:46 pm
Section 230's broad grant of immunity has its limits…but not much said:
[...] when The Droid makes posts like StomperNet Shit Storm or Inside Dot Con Secrets – don't think for a moment he or she is doing it for fear of [...]
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# 27 February 2010 at 6:57 pm

Aspen Brands said:
The trial date for the Fallon divorce is 4-19, 2010. There will be a lot of information that becomes public knowledge. A lot of information that will be embarassing to both of them but much more so for Brad.
Interesting that Brad tells Jennifer that he is not about anything but having a good relationship with her going forward yet he continues to litigate without settling and continues to not want to prejudice his legal strategy in any way. He says he deserves more money from the contribution he made to the Aspen Brands. What about the lack of contributions he made and the wasted marital assets on Free IQ, being a movie producer, SEO Research, and now Stompernet debt.
Brad Fallon has been able to fly first class to Vietnam, Iceland, Australia, Hawaii, Cancun, Gallopagos Islands, LA, Miami, Vegas and go on cruises, all within the last 12 months. Tough life in tough hotels like the Ritz and the Four Seasons. Could those pay off debts that he owes? Brad Fallon has more than just one bankruptcy. He has more than two. It is disturbing to me that taxpayer’s money supports his lifestyle and then he can just file and make it go away. Jennifer knew about the bankruptcies but she drank the koolaid.
If Brad had a heart and not just an ego, he would move on and create a new business or focus on one of his own for a change. They have twin daughters. A payoff to Brad will only help sustain his lifestyle as opposed to building something that makes a difference in people’s lives such as to all the employees that work for the Aspen Brands. Who is likely to be more responsible with their girls’ financial future or with the company’s financial future?
Brad, if you were really who you say you are, why are you fighting for money when you preach that it does not matter to you? You want what is fair? Was it fair for you to spend other people’s money promising big returns? Was it fair for you to be self absorbed and only look out for your own ego and reputation as a high roller? Was it fair for you to take all kinds of risks with marital assets and now that they are gone, take the only thing that Jennifer has put her heart and soul into for the last 6 years.
You don’t deserve any money. You are fortunate to have healthy daughters and you owe a lot of your internet fame to embellishing the numbers on the e-commerce sites from Smart Marketing and showinng people how they could do the same. But did you follow through with that pitch? Or did you get bored and despite the consumer, decided to do what is always in your best interest without considering what you do to relationships, those with consumers, partners, affiliates, girlfriends.
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# 28 February 2010 at 12:41 pm

Eagle Eyes said:
Yeah. Whatta guy. Not. Thanks for the update. We should all keep an eye on this for the sake of accountability. Mark your calendar, folks!
It seems really surprising that nobody has yet compared Brad Fallon’s recent civil admissions (in the divorce filing) to whatever he claimed in his past bankruptcy filing(s). He clearly stated that his alleged “ownership” in that business was concealed. (See the posts by “Ding Ding” above for the possible implications.) A simple phone call, letter, or two could get that ball rolling. Anybody?
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# 28 February 2010 at 5:54 pm

snowmanrules said:
SAVE THE DATE Droidites. Brad’s court date is approaching-great thing, public record, is it not ? Believe it or not, I think we’ll all be stunned by what more can come out about this guy IN PUBLIC, once and for all. Time to come clan. Wait-what’s that sound ? Hmmm. Sounds to me like the final curtain coming down. Stay tuned.
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Hoot Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
This should be very interesting!
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# 4 March 2010 at 11:21 am

Alan bleiweiss said:
LOL I ripped apart Stompernet on my blog in two Deceptive SEO articles last year. It’s great to see the Droid has been swinging the axe on them.
IN case you’d like more laughs: http://searchmarketingwisdom.com/category/seo-and-sem-schemes/
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# 4 March 2010 at 10:56 pm

Brian said:
Man…I had no idea stompernet was a bunch of low life bitches
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# 9 March 2010 at 6:34 pm

Here we go again said:
Brad Fallon’s latest spew:
httpv://www.youtube.com/v/OrcI6UXm5hs?hl=en_US&fs=1
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_cartman_ Reply:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
@Here we go again,
Yeah…I saw that…it is a 12 week course (or so he claims in another video) to teach “mobile marketing”…tapping into mobile twitter and mobile facebook “marketing”, amongst other “stuff”…
I would give a guess as to what is really going on, but until I see if what I believe is the case, I don’t want to be responsible for giving them any ideas, they may not already have.
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HOLY SHIT! I'M SOLD!!! Reply:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
“Just because something is big does not necessarily mean it is something you should get into. Elephants are big, but are you going to use elephants in your next marketing campaign? I don’t think so.”
I can’t even believe he said any of this…
First of all, the way he meant ‘big’ in the first sentence was as a synonym to the word ‘popular’. Just because something is popular or being used by everyone (big), does not necessarily mean it is something you should get into.
Agreed.
“Elephants are big”. Big, in this next sentence, is still referring to popularity…but completely misused with the word ‘big’ in terms of physical size, hence the use of an elephant. His misuse of the synonym for ‘big’ here is the issue. AND A COMPLETE FUCKING SCUM TACTIC. (Either that or he has a REAAAALLY low IQ). Elephants are not popular/big…so obviously you won’t use them in your marketing campaign (unless you market something related to or involving the use of elephants).
Brad has decided to linguistically screw around with words to get agreement from the person watching (Brad: “you don’t just do something cause it’s popular” User: “That’s true” Brad: “Elephants are big” User: “Yes they are” Brad: “But you wouldn’t use an elephant in your marketing right?” User: “hehe Of course not, you’re so right Brad! [you sly fox]“). He completely misrepresents the use of the word ‘big’ to try and get more agreement. And since all the sentences are indeed true, we tend to agree. (You know, unless we USE CRITICAL THINKING TO REALIZE HOW RIDICULOUS THE SENTENCE STRUCTURES AND POINTS BEING MADE ARE.)
This is only 10 seconds of the video. But if you ever wonder why Brad sucks at sales copy, well, there you have it. He doesn’t even use convincing proof. Just word play.
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_cartman_ Reply:
March 16th, 2010 at 12:12 am
@HOLY SHIT! I’M SOLD!!!,
Good analysis.
I would say it was a combination of low IQ (based on the fact this quy decided to state under oath he committed fraud), and from what I read, he also appears to be a “complete fucking scum”.
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Here we go again Reply:
March 16th, 2010 at 12:43 am
Retrying the video embed, since the link above didn’t come out right:
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