StomperNet :: Seeing Fnords
>> bleep What’s up StomperNet? >> bloop
StomperNet is a monthly membership site that offers access to SEO and “training” materials relating to building an online business. Stomper has an air of legitimacy not present in many of the other scams I write about. They have a staff and actual offices :: Their websites are shiny and glossy :: They call their BS tactic instructors “faculty” {gag!}. But ever-so-slightly below the surface is the dark heart of a beast.
The Beast collects a toll :: Monthly Membership Fee –> $800 :: Bang! :: That’s $9,600 dollars per year to access a website, receive some nominal amount of “coaching,” and attend a quarterly live “conference” {WARNING :: coaching = selling you stuff // conference = selling you stuff} In case you need some perspective {and you probably do because you don’t read enough books} :: The average annual cost of attending a fully accredited public university is $6,585 {link} :: 30% less than a year of “stomping.”
StomperNet is a partnership between Andy Jenkins and Brad Fallon. The company launched in 2006 and claims to have done $12 million in sales in the first 12 hours {link}. Shortly after the launch :: Fallon stops helping … but keeps taking. Andy does almost all of the work and is the public face of StomperNet. When I arrived on the pathetic scene in February of 2009 :: People were saying that Brad was no longer a part of StomperNet at all.
So it was quite a shock this July when StomperNet announced that Brad had bought out Andy {link}. Andy was leaving the company and Brad was taking over as the active CEO. What what what??? That makes no sense. Why?
Andy :: {link}
“People are speculating like crazy about what kind of behind-the-scenes dramatics went on, but it’s something far more boring: I was ready to pass the StomperNet baton in order to work on other stuff. Brad was ready to take it.”
Yep! That’s boring :: But not as boring as this long rambling post he wrote about it {link}. It’s 6500 words about himself :: the biggest narcissism wank-off since Napoleon bumbled into Russia. Hey Andy :: you do understand that you aren’t actually an important person right? Remember how that’s all just an illusion that you yourself have created? Posers who are sucking the life out of the Universe are politely asked to keep their posts under 200 words. Haven’t you done enough damage?
Brad :: {link}
“The only fireworks are those we see happening online with all the gossip and rumors.” chuckles Brad Fallon “Frankly, we were surprised by how much everyone cared! Happy…but surprised.”
“Cool. No fireworks. God loves a happy divorce,” chuckles The Droid.
Then last week someone pointed me to this site :: stompednet.com :: Lo and fucking behold it’s a pdf of the complaint in the case of D-Bag v. EvenBigger D-Bag :: The author of the stomped site asks a simple question ::
“Did Brad Fallon buy out Andrew Jenkins to make this lawsuit go away?”
OMG! That is a crazy document. On March 27th, 2009 :: Andy sues Brad. Here are the claims :: translated from Pointlessly-Boring-Lawyer into Hipster-Droid-Speak >> bleep
1. Brad and Andy are 50/50 partners in Stomper :: They also have joint mutual interests in several other turd balls :: like “YouTube Secret Weapon” :: How proud they must be.
2. Brad never does shit … but he still getz paid.
3. Andy whines :: “Clifford Bradley … I do all the actual scamming around here … but you take more of the loot. It’s just not fair and it’s hurting my feelings.” And then Brad is all like :: “Fuck you asshole. I’ll do whatever I want and you know it. It’s the freedom that comes with being a criminal … embrace it you wuss!”
4. Brad uses the company credit card like a toy. It’s full of found money … and he treats it that way.
5. Brad uses the recycled useless bullshit that StomperNet passes off as content to help found equally useless businesses which Andy and StomperNet do not get a sweet taste of. He uses company spam lists :: company fake-goodwill :: company “trade secrets” :: And the company gets jack crap in return. Rude.
6. Brad is the sole owner of Blue Falcon Marketing :: [heavy redaction] :: Brad claims he made more money in a short time with Blue Falcon than he made in two years with his unloved husband Raggedy Andy.
7. In December :: Brad takes $110k out of StomperNet’s bank accounts without authorization. This surprise withdrawal “jeopardized Stompernet’s ability to conduct its day-to-day operations.”
8. Brad’s surprise give-me meant that Andy had to put some of his own scamming money back into The Beast to keep checks from bouncing and ruining Stomper’s credit.
9. Andy tries to lock Brad out of the accounts :: Brad goes to the bank and tries to be an intimidating DickHead {one of his strong suits} to make sure he retains access to his pot of gold.
10. The bank tells them both to get lost. Closes the accounts and cancels their lines of credit.
11. New bank :: same problem with Brad’s DickHeadedness.
12. Then the fancy lawyer rams these badguy v. badguy facts onto a bunch of different causes of action :: The best one being :: Usurpation of Corporate Opportunity :: Becuase it’s fun to say {makes you feel important}.
Shazamm! I don’t want to write a 6500 word post like EgoTrain Andy :: But allow me just a few more comments ::
a) Brad is a total asshole. Stealing money from your 50/50 partner :: From a business perspective :: That’s an unforgivable sin. If you are soulless enough to commit that hideous moral crime :: there is no business crime which you wouldn’t be willing to commit.
b) StomperNet is in trouble. Deep deep trouble. In Andy’s response to the posting of this pdf he says {link} ::
“StomperNet was an EIGHT FIGURE COMPANY according to its 2008 tax returns. This was about being short $110,000 in the specific operating account where payroll is funded from — and not knowing about it.”
Nope! That doesn’t make sense. Bad lie. The suit says that day-to-day operations were threatened :: that checks were going bounce :: that vendor relationships were threatened. Lawsuit Andy is also highly perturbed about the loss of Stomper’s line of credit. That shit just don’t jive with $12 million in 12 hours :: or EIGHT {all caps} FIGURES in ’08.
High quality rumor says that Stomper peeps are being paid with IOU’s :: or are taking pay cuts {link}. People other than Andy are leaving {link}. And everyone knows that Brad is a train wreck :: He can’t do what Andy was doing. $800 per month is totally unsustainable in this climate :: And Brad has spent the whole year promoting stuff so crappy that even the sheepish IM world is crying foul.
StomperNet is sinking :: let’s see if I can’t put a few more holes in her hull before 9/9/09.
Keep on stompin!
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As I recall, at about the time Brad Fallon made the 110k withdrawal from Stomper's account in December, he was deep in the midst of a launch for an over the top hyped, expensive 2k program called "Arbitrage Conspiracy" that would allegedly teach ppc marketing of cpa offers. Andy and Jerry West were very vocal about NOT supporting the launch and warned their email lists and the forums not to fall for the hype and program. Hence, it's not surprising that both are no longer a part of StomperNet now. The AC program featured two young cpa marketers, friends of Brad's, who did the training, and was a total rip off and disaster with numerous complaints if you believe what you read and hear about in the forums. I imagine that's what the suit against Stompernet that Andy alleges in his complaint is about. According to forums, they switched the T&C on the guarantee in the middle of the launch and people had difficulty obtaining refunds.
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i thought another thing Andy Jenkins mentioned in the last post on his blog that was interesting was that he says Brad is a small guy now having lost weight. Funny, stress perhaps that maybe his gravy train may be dwindling in revenue given the gossip?
At least Andy Jenkins and Jerry West had some respect for the public and warned of this disaster. That's something you can't say about most of these IM hucksters and scammers.
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This is all quite shocking. I find it quite impossible to believe the "revisionist" explanations given long after the fact by Mr. Jenkins and Mr. Fallon. I believe the lawsuit document gives a very clear and accurate picture of exactly what took place. It is getting very difficult to trust and believe in any so-called "experts" these days. I will think twice in the future.
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If Brad Fallon cheated his business partner, who else has he cheated?
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This whole saga is like an onion. Yes, it stinks, but it also has layers and layers and layers
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Andy asked ME for a favor. It was to beta test Formula 5, (Business Building Program/Course) Stompernet's newest addition created by Paul Lemberg.
I DO recommend it. have an affiliate link, but I haven't used because I don't know my link off by heart…and to be honest I’m not into passing out links. If I like something, I simply recommend it. I care about the person who is looking for the same info I found that helped ME! {IM people are thinking I am NUTS!}
done it with books etc. pointing people to amazon…have a link, don't know it there either! my experience with Stomper EDUCATION has been good. It DOES LACK guidance in the portal where the education is located.
It can be overwhelming to say the least. Fumbling MY WAY through it~ I did find what I needed to learn…some members weren’t as lucky to find their way around.
members contacted me, asking which videos to watch first, where to go, or what to do…their level of frustration was heartbreaking.
it all depends on where you are in life, in business and what you ALREADY know or don’t know, this will determine what it is you NEED to do…or WHAT to watch first.
For a while, I did this without charging, however, it really took away time from what I WAS DOING and creating both online, and offline…people got a lot out of this “guidance” Not sure why they weren’t getting it from staff, faculty, or coaches…I really didn’t care why.
they were getting further ahead with DAILY access to what I recommended…and daily access to support and encouragement…Maybe having past experience as a business owner, or coach to stylists and owning salons the “where are you now?” and "where do you want to be?” or “go” question helped.
Taking clients cash, throwing them into a portal with a by-weekly coach is not going to help with challenges in business, online or offline.
I was new to the online world of business development…but somehow knew what questions to ask, or where to find answers. At the very least, point people in the direction of where "they" could find the answers.
Am I saying the coaches are bad? No. In fact they have a couple of outstanding coaches! What is BAD is the lack of guidance…by-weekly coaching, watching a series of videos in the home study area ETC. wont give you what you really need.
the coaches have their own businesses to worry about, to grow or maintain. Some are established, but in any business "established" isn’t enough.
Its Maintenance and growth no matter what biz. It helps if you’ve already been in business, especially offline Unfortunately most people haven’t had that experience…
it’s why they turn to an 800.00 a month program hoping they'll arrive at their destination sooner than later.
Is it about learning keyword research and SEO or creating great video? Maybe.
Creating a successful business online requires the SAME action steps, education, and approach as offline business.
Do you need to learn about keywords and such for OFFLINE success? No, You need to learn about your client… Not Google or the Newspaper that's placing your ad
traffic is just that…traffic. you need more than business, accounting, licensing, and business-building strategies…we need to know people, clients, your customers. It’s about them.
business grows one step at a time, one HAPPY CLIENT at a time…BEST FOR BUSINESS? WORD OF MOUTH! That’s the biggest traffic generator ever.
YOU ACHIEVE "THAT" with people skills, great service, a genuine appreciation for your client, a sincere desire to please your client! Not pleasing Google or getting SEO just right. Not constructing a great ad, or expanding your TWITTER following!
"They" say the money is in the “list” SCREW THE LIST…get a client…please them…and then add them to the list of YOUR satisfied customers.
Build it that way…not that other ways are wrong, or that this is the absolute way to build a business…I could be wrong, often I am…
build credibility, recognition, build a business around your client, not a keyword, adword campaign, or a list in hopes that you might get a few sales…
List building gives you that -a list…a list of people who opted in TO GET SOMETHING FOR FREE!
why they buy is important! if they spend 800. a month for training and access to a library make sure that that they get exactly what they are paying for and then some…Teach them what steps to take first, for where THEY are, and what they want to achieve.
It’s your name on their lips…learning that is more important than "which video" to start with to learn keywords, and seo…
if you don’t know how to communicate with your client, or how to service them…then NONE of it Matters!
Watch videos on people skills, relationship building, and customer service. …IF you can find them!
My Thoughts on Andy and Brad? I'll post over at my blog…cause my comments here turn into blog posts!
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P.S. I am still beta testing Stompernet Formula 5… WHEN I am "wildly" successful by MY definition of success, I will shoot the much deserved video I promised in exchange for testing their product…
until then… I'll keep stompin around, running in circles, and jumping hoops like most everyone does in online and offline business!
if your not jumping hoops, you' re PROBABLY doing something wrong…
but, hey that's just me…
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That is a great comment, Karin. It will be interesting to see if Stompernet provides good content with Andy gone and Brad in charge. What is the url for your blog so we can read your new post there?
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I believe Karin will succeed because of Karin. She don't need no stinkin' Stompin.
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Norbit :: Thank YOU! :: YOU actually just MADE my day! and… You put a HUGE smile on my face! Thanks for the SUPPORT! xo
Mr. Smith :: Thank you as well! … it WILL BE be VERY interesting to see what happens…
{ If I'm NOT kicked out of the Beta Testing Project after commenting here ~ you will certainly know ALL about it! }
Droid:: You have been nothing but HONEST, in everything we have shared and experienced over the past couple of months. I just wanted to say, I thank you for that and so much more! :: <——see those crazy {::} things?
Ben hangin' around U2 long ;- p
Speaking of witch…chat soon?
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thx karin. will read when u post
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Great comment Karin :: Thanks a lot. Two Points:
1. I will shot all affiliate links with a plasma cannon.
2. Whenever I hear someone say something nice about an info product :: It's because they haven't paid for it. The question about these "products" isn't: "Is this worth something?" :: The question is, "Is this worth $10,000 per year" or "Is this worth $3,000?" :: The answer to that question is no … no matter the quality of the content. Because those are STUPID prices :: Those are scandalous prices :: Those are the kind of prices that send you directly to hell {do not pass go :: do not collect $200}
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Hey karin unlike other big people you don't show any kind of attitude to people like us, that is the reason i like most from you. you respond all time and try to help me out and people who are in need of it. I wish you all success looking to hear more from you.
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Raghava; Rags!
Thank you for your comment! You too, made me smile!
It has been a pleasure guiding you as well…I wish you all the success in the world!
Actually I don't need to wish you success, you already have it, I see many more successes coming your way…and it is because YOU take action…
for anyone who doesn't know Rags;
Rags is visually impaired and uses a reader to learn, and communicate. Nothing stops this young man from learning and doing!
Rags, has been a great inspiration to me, and so many others…one can learn a lot from this guy!
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WELL, well, well…looky here…Karin Hiebert does not have access to view Stompernet!
I can change my profile info, my password, but can't get into the portal whatsoever!
hmmmm, how will I ever continue my review?
So far, Formula 5 lets me in, which is a different portal and access altogether!
Stompernet is not giving me access! Might need to get in touch with Brad…oh wait, I have tried that…he ignores me…
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You think maybe Brad Fallon or Dan Thies or their assorted minions are big readers of the Salty Droid? I can see why they might be: this seems to be the only real blog that hasn't given them carte blanche to explain away their recent turmoil and major leadership loss. Most other "bloggers" appear to have simply accepted everything those guys say (and re-phrase) without question (other than maybe, "hey, if I promote you guys to my newbies, can I get an affiliate commission?").
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Of course they are big readers! No question. Especially as of recent.
Wouldn't you, or anybody in the "industry" take notice of THIS blog?
It is human nature to be, or BECOME curious.
Thing is, if you follow this blog, and care to know what is *really* going on… all links here to what Droid has found, or others have provided…all prove to be true…unless of course people are in denial of it all…which is most likely~ ~ IMHO…
If people do their own homework or investigating into checking out the digital footsteps we all leave behind, its pretty easy to put 2+2 together.
Droid has made it easy on everyone…to do this homework. — links to posts, forums, and the blatant "evidence" all lead to the same place~ The Truth.
Like it or NOT it is what it is…Doctor Harlan Kilstein proves to be perverted, Perry Belcher is still a Scammer, and Brad stole money from his partner…
{need I go on?}
it's just that simple~
Like it or not, it IS what it IS! …and, I am STILL locked out of Stomper! Maybe Brad will get in touch with me, I am sure it's just an honest mistake!
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I thought Brad Fallon was supposedly making lots of money selling wedding trinkets online?
Appeared to be (quite a few years ago) if you can believe this:
http://www.drlaura.com/sah/money.html?mode=view&a…
I checked out the wedding trinket site and wasn't impressed. Looks like pretty much all the other sites out there selling imported cheap Chinese stocking stuffers. Has to be a ton of competition now, and the economy also sucks.
If he was really doing so great selling that trinket stuff, why is he even involved in the stomper thing? Wouldn't he be concentrating on his real cash cow? I don't get it.
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One of them likely saw the link (Dan) in the ablakeforum.com – another place you can actually speak without getting deleted!
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Yeah, the ablake forum is one of very few open forums that lets people speak and discuss the truth without getting censored. The "warrior forum" of course is the opposite: full of bullies, cliques, and censors…and of course people hawking total crap to naive newbies.
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I believe at one time Brad was also leading overseas buying tours to China etc where he imports those wedding favours from and showing other how to do so for an outrageous price. I think he had an American Chinese partner in that venture.
As for Belcher, Barefoot Executive Carrie Wilkerson sent an email to her work at home moms target list this week pimping Perry's "Get Money from Google" program again. Google is cracking down on using their name and the biz op offers now so I guess maybe Adwords wouldn't let his ads through on that offer. I believe Carrie Wilkerson is one of Belcher's top supporters in his army of pimps…oops…I mean affiliates. After all, she targets the mommy crowd and they probably aren't as web savvy and into the IM biz and may not be aware of Belcher's criminal history.
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Why would someone pay $800 each month for that stomper net? Sounds way overpriced. You can get a ton of really good information online at no cost at all if you're willing to look. I bet I've learned more for free online than what most of those stomper customers learn after paying those big bucks. Paying for someone just to hold your hand is expensive.
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Imagine that! Karin gets no response to her emails, but when there's "talk of the town" on a blog, there Brad is!
Maybe he finally had some spare time after working late and loading all the surplus office furniture onto trucks.
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I was kicked out of , and banned from Warrior Forum on my first visit there!
Frank Kern had invited a few of us to play some shenanigan on John Reese~ It was the "Don Fleece" shenanigan ~ some of us where on "Don's side" and others on " Frank's Side"
I was on Don's side, so it meant playing my part and attacking Frank on the forum!
Geez, I did it well, cause ~~next thing I know, I am booted out of Warrior!
oh well…Frank enjoyed his mass control!
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[...] recently turned over his {seriously gay} Captain’s Hat to legendary prick Brad Fallon {link}. It’s Brad’s job to pretend to steer while StomperNet sinks to the bottom of the [...]
to know Brad.. is to be cheated by Brad..
I knew both Andy and Brad even before the "Apprentice" program.. Brad has never had a problem cheating anyone, out of anything.. and yet he is still able to convince people to work for him.. and some of them to come back to work for him, after leaving once! (makes me question D.Taylor's mental health)
only a man with no soul can be that convincing.. or is he a mortal man?
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It's not all about money…maybe SEO, business and marketing is his…passion?
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[...] Remember that just a few months ago Brad and Andy were suing each other {link}. StomperNet is crisis … people aren’t being paid … and both of these dipshits [...]
I just read the statement of claim by Jenkins….do you have the statement of defense by Fallon?
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I haven't seen the counterclaims :: but I'm sure they are equally gross. I'm currently considering fetching them … if anyone already has a copy … send it to me so I can post it … pretty please!
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curious Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Noticed this -
http://www.stomperblog.com/privacypolicy/
“StomperNet does not sell, rent or lease its customer lists to third parties”
http://www.saltydroid.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Stomper-Cat-Fight.pdf
bottom of page 2 top of page 3
“….utilized customer lists… to advance the interests of third parties..”
beep::beep::??
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I find it interesting that Ken McCarthy made Brad Fallon famous "way back when"… but then stopped promoting Brad after he introduced him to the Internet marketing community.
Ken has higher ethical standards than most online marketers, so I find it telling that he ceased publicly associating with Brad Fallon (so far as I know).
Ryan
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Good observation. And you're right, McCarthy does seem to choose his associations better than most. Come to think of it, you do, too. As they say, "good on you!"
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@Les agreed. Ryan from what I know seems like one of the coolest guys in the IM world. I bought his ebook (2 or 3 years ago) about getting copywriting clients, I do think it is an excellent book for someone who doesn't know much about the online world. It also reveals a little about what Ryan's values are, because he does mention that he prays to god if I remember correctly. I'm not saying that prayer to a deity is going to get you bunches of clients, in fact I am atheist, but it shows that some people like to mix honesty and higher spiritual values with copywriting. And that is to be commended. And before any of you conspiracy loonies start saying that I am Ryan, STOP. You've been watching too TV. Bozo out
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[...] JJ: I don’t have all the details, but my guess is that their plan involves the exploitation of a very strange coincidence. Back in August someone posted the complaint from a lawsuit between Andy Jenkins and Brad Fallon of StomperNet. Someone pointed it out to me and re-posted it to this site {link}. [...]
[...] StomperNet :: Seeing Fnords — Andy sues Brad :: the complaint gets posted to the web :: and The Droid re-posts. The complaint makes Brad sound like a fantastical bastard :: and makes it clear that both Brad and Andy have been flat lying about what’s going on with StomperNet. [...]
[...] :: Andy needs a new partner to match his new mid-life crisis hair style. Things with Brad didn’t work out so well … so this time he’s hooking up with someone who never wears a [...]
[...] They broke up. [...]
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