The Perry Papers
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Raise your hand if you’ve always wanted to see Perry Evil Jowls Belcher’s conviction and probation paperwork ::
Exactly! :: Holy cripes.
Well now thanks to the awesomeness of Internet Lawyer Extraordinaire Mike Young we all can :: a few hours ago Mike posted this oh-so-useful pdf ::
:: Wow! Stunner :: Those terms are far more restrictive {and specific} than I’d anticipated ::
Perry’s Reign of Terror is coming to a close.
Go and read Mike’s post {link} :: Sounds like the D-bags have made limp, unethical, and unlawful attempts to silence him recently as well.
Scamming is bad :: Silencing speech is evil :: Trying to silence a lawyer is just stupid.
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:: read one now before you die of stupid.
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And me, its about time these dirt bags understood the rules of engagement. That David Schirmer guy is another one who has a very limited undertstanding of the parameters of ethical conduct too. The guy doesn't seem to understand that its time he moved onto something more useful and shut his bloody mouth for a real change. He is a loser and an abuser in every sense of the word and yet he still stupidly claims to be gods gift to the universe. Sadly his universe is not as big as it used to be and his audience is getting dumber. Do these guys really think their haters will walk away in silence, c'mon credit where its due please. Lets look at this for what it really is. A guy is attempting to make people rich by teaching them to use everyone elses money except their own and sweet talk everyone into doing stuff on the promise of payment as soon as its done and DOH they don't get paid. How dumb ass are people when its been in black and white for years? If a guy hasnt paid one of his debts hes a bloody scumbag in business but for a guy to continuously make promises is so bloody senseless its insane. Oh but he and Perry are good guys right? Wankers extraordinaire!!!!!!!!
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Waah! According to the court paper, the mean ol’ guvmint took all of Belcher’s SIGNED PICTURES OF CELEBRITIES! Waah!
What is he, a ten year old GIRL? Oh, yeah, that’s right, he is.
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Jimbo Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
They took his signed pictures but they are NOT seeking forfeiture of them. So I am assuming he got those back. It looks like he got to keep some things. Including
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Cute stuff, eh? I wonder if his parole officer has been informed of all the companies and business activities as the special parole conditions 1-6 clearly stipulates ;) Somehow, I think not.
Damn. Deiss used to be a decent guy a decade ago, wonder what happened to him?
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Sounds like Belcher is REQUIRED to report everyone he does business with to the government. So if you have done business with Belcher, more than likely…he's required to REPORT you (and of course, if you've done business with Belcher, you DESERVE it).
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Ryan Kyle Deiss used to be a decent guy a decade ago? The public records indicate he is only about 28 years old. So that would then mean he "used to be a decent guy" back in high school. Or so it seemed…
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Well, closer to 8-9 years ago; '99-01 or thereabouts. Never did have anything do with him on a business level, but I read a couple of his products and they seemed reasonably well put together and entirely on the up-and-up; he was talking opt-in and permission marketing before Godin put a name to'em.
Just goes to show that it's not enough to have a good idea, you also need followthrough.
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Just goes to show how people change. Or maybe whatever he was really about just became more obvious. It sure doesn't look pretty.
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Technically, since Belcher made a claim of 50-100 million in sales (and he did that to show his advertising/marketing prowess, also the fact that he states that they confiscated over 3 million in assets, which is really under 700K (even less if the house was mortgaged), those statements can be used as evidence as false and misleading advertising claims, since he is technically using it as "proof" (in a roundabout way), to sell the social media "marketing" course.
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He also may only travel within the US and only if the trip is business-related and approved by his parole officer.
You know what's also funny? His twitter following has provided ample evidence on public record that he has been travelling, instructing, selling, and, according to them, "being successful".
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See, that's what I don't get…well I don't get a lot of it…like I said…why is he allowed to own a damn computer when he committed "computer crime?"
Perhaps, that may sound like a "harsh" punishment…why is he in an internet "business" at all? …again…why? Why to any of it???!!!!
and, yes…froylein…there is ample evidence that he is selling crap online that is blatantly over priced, inflated, and B.S. ~ and more BS!
WHO is watching him? Is his parole officer watching? Is parole aware of the BS that goes on in all of this?
Is the parole officer doing his or her job?
Is it possible that they are allowing him to do dig himself in deep so that they can "get him" on more this time?
It's all pretty fukt up IMHO
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From my reading he can travel, instruct, sell and "be successful" and not break the terms of his parole. I think you are trying to read more into the parole terms than what is there.
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I don't understand some of these replies.
700K? Where does that come from?
His Merrill Lynch Chase accounts ALONE had about $1,000,000.
In addition, you can easily do 50 to 100 million in SALES and only have a few million in profits or in the bank.
I understand the posters here are looking for things to bash Belcher with, but it would be more credible for the cause if they picked things that weren't so wrong in their logic.
Unfortunately Tenn. prosecuted this case. Probably for the money. Had the Feds prosecuted this he would have been hit with mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, etc. (par for the course in most Fed cases) and would have ended up in prison for 7 to 20+ years based on sentencing guidelines.
Instead, he was lucky enough to have Tenn. prosecute this and not only did he stay out of jail but (in my opinion) received VERY LENIENT terms of parole.
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I hope you're joking.
I guess this is the reason why attorneys are required to do anything having to do with law (when realistically everyone should know it).
If you buy a product from a corporation, llc, etc. it's a separate entity from any particular individual owner, employee or consultant.
He needs to report who he works for, consults for, etc (i.e. – the company).
He does NOT need to report the customers of those companies.
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Karin –
Please read my post above.
Understand the law.
Belcher got off with VERY LENIENT parole terms and NO JAIL TIME.
He needs to REPORT to his parole officer.
Parole officers don't follow you around all day. You report in at certain times. You make requests for certain things.
There is NOTHING in his terms that bans him from doing internet business. It's a shame but that's a FACT.
There is nothing saying he can't charge $2000, $5,000 or even $50,000 for garbage information. Chances are he got into the information business because it's much harder to regulate information unless you are materially misrepresenting the information that's available in the product (see Kevin Trudeau). The other way they get info marketers is usually through customer service issues or massive complaints from continuity programs (not making it clear there will be a monthly charge).
The market is set up to decide what is garbage and what isn't when it comes to info.
And unfortunately – most people don't do their homework.
It should not be up to the government to monitor and check all information – whether good or bad. It should be up to the consumer. And when the consumer is in doubt, they have the most powerful tool of all – the ability to NOT BUY. That's right. When in doubt – don't purchase. Super simple.
It would be nice if people grew up and quit their dependence on parental replacements like government agencies.
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yes, a shame…a real shame…
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I wasn't talking about customers. I was talking about affiliates, contractors, JV partners, and the like. People with business connections, not customers. It seems quite clear that they must all be reported. Customers would obviously be in a separate category (although they perhaps could be contacted by prosecutors in the event it was deemed that they were defrauded).
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Well if they're affiliates, contractors, JV parnters, etc. of the COMPANIES that Belcher works for then the same thing I said above applies.
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I think I'm reading quite out of it, not into it, what the document says.
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If that's the case then why is it "funny" that there is a public record that he has been traveling, instructing, etc.? There is nothing in the terms that says he can't do that. It simply says he needs to inform his parole officer.
Your post I initially replied to has a sort of "gotcha" flavor to it. What exactly did you "get" him on that is a violation of his parole?
That's what I'm confused about.
Belcher scammed sick people and virtually got a away with it scott free as far as I'm concerned.
Guessing whether or not he is reporting to his parole officer when he travels on business is a weak argument for a current indictment of what he is doing now.
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Agreed. People need to get off of the purely emotional and moral reactions and stick with the actual legalities. The knee-jerk "moral outrage" serves no practical purpose. It may even help Belcher.
There is also no need to "rate" his "products" nor the "prices" he charges, nor when or where he goes to the bathroom, nor his jaw-droppingly inane banter. That's not relative, and it's all just varying opinion. The focus should be on how he could specifically be breaking the law or if he is violating his probation.
If you think you have some insight or thoughts, I'd HIGHLY recommend you send Salty a private email or contact the state of Tennessee's DA office in Memphis. No need to tip Belcher off here. You can be certain Belcher monitors this blog; it's the only one besides Mike Young's (and perhaps the ablakefourm) that isn't afraid to say it like it really is.
I think a close review of that criminal documentation – and an analysis of Belcher's activities over the past year – will still leave a LOT for his former prosecutors to evaluate, once they are provided with sufficiently greater detail.
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As I happen to know another person on parole in that area, it's not just that you let your parole officer know that you're going away on business, but you must give detailled account of where you are going, what you are planning on doing there and who you are going to meet. It's not like saying, "Hey, by the way, I'll be away for the next few days! Is there anything you'd like me to bring as a souvenir?"
As the document says, "He understands that he must inform his probation officer of the location and the reason for the travel before departing."
This is followed by detailled agreements on how he must report on business enterprises, not only ones owned by him but also ones operated by him.
Then there are details of how he must not publish books, articles, blogs or websites under any pen name or alias.
I'm too lazy to type everything in detail, but it's a lot in there.
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"detailed", that is…
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[...] Jowls Belcher’s 2008 conviction for fraud and computer crimes has recently become available {link}. The Droid has swallowed these documents … and now regurgitates the details back into your [...]
If you notice it says "proceeds" across the accounts, except under lynch, where it states "Net Proceeds", could be stocks, mutual funds (and/or some other equity) which were either purchased on Margin and/or used to collateralize a loan (the latter allowing a much higher amount borrowable (discretion of Merrill lynch), SEC won't allow "margin" accounts to exceed 50% (granted I haven't traded for years now so that may have changed…intraday trades that would settle prior to closing were able to be funded with as little as 25% of the total trade…but i digress). The fact that they refer to possible "outstanding loans", means they checked and their is some form of loan registered against the account. Furthermore, I already discounted 500K because he stated they seized 3.5million dollars, so I never included that account (btw…he himself states "they seized all the money he has ever had and ever made".
http://socialmediamoneysystem.com/ebenwebinar/
Also, on his first "webinar", which I am attempting to locate (the one with Deiss), he states he MADE (key word made) $50-$100M (Deiss responded…I saw its actually closer to $100M…Belcher came back with…well but 57 (is that dollars) is what I can document).
Now in his video (link below….at 1:30 time marker), he mentions he was running a 30Million dollar business, now where I come from (aka the real world), a $30 million dollar business is the net worth of a business (asses-libelbillibees..sorry that there is some accounting terms for those who may not know), which means that 3 million can't be net proceeds as you claim, since the companies "supposed" worth was more then 9 times higher the supposed amount seized (unless it was another lie). Regardless, the term "made" usually refers to NET (usually before EBITDA…) but whatever.
I notice that the term, "I made", has come to mean whatever one wants (ie. Pam Brossman, claims to have made $750K in Maria Andros course in 3 days. How you ask? By selling her "unit" (which interestingly enough was a nice stock photo..I mentioned to her…nice stock photo…bingo bongo…down went the video), for an alleged $750K. Interesting that Brossman discounts the amount paid (like it was free), and claims the "sale price" is the amount she "made", then attributes that successful sale to a vision board which MA (maria android….sorry salty dude…just kidding) told her to make(wat the f*ck)….I personally may have gone with a real estate agent, but hey, I'm oldskool. I mention Pam Brossman only for demonstrative purposes because she appears to be "creative" with facts, and attempts to sell Andros' course via deceptions (as she was taught), and appears to also respect the Belcher (hmmm…maybe the law of attraction is real).
http://api.ning.com/files/xKh672vGBukRts2MZZ6TNmU...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XAHcXWXczc
Now let me see if I correctly assessed everything. He ran a supposed business which made $50-$100M (but made actually means ?sold?), had 979,000 customers (AP webinar…but customers probably means visitors). Also, only had 37 complaints (but complaints actually means, 37 were the number of individuals willing to testify) of 979,000 (AP webinar) customers, by the infamous (be only as transparent as you have to be) Perry Belcher.
So if Perry Belcher of Selmedica Healthcare has 979,000 customers. And if each of those customers ordered just once, he would have 383 orders a day (supposedly for 7 years straight), and with 979,000 customers, you would think one would keep 37 customers (at $3,700 according to his webinar) happy, and just refund their money?
Here is the main site from the way back machine, the contact page from January 2007, not quite the huge conglomerate claimed. A post office box, a vague mention of a manufacturing plant (no tangible location), and a phone number and address which leads to a few other pages for similar things.
901.737.8128
901.737.4138
PO box 1388, Cordova Tn 38088
http://web.archive.org/web/20070104164042/www.sel...
http://www.dryerasemagic.com/home.html
http://discovertotalhealth.com/healthconditions/d...
http://www.diet.com/g/cabbage-soup-diet
Now lets sum it up, a guy who makes "vague" claims on businesses which could otherwise be checked (aka 42 brick and mortar Jewelery stores). Makes a claim of being the 3rd largest candle manufacturer (but again, no verifiable information provided). On his "selmedica" claim, he provided numbers which can be checked against "tax filings" if someone is so inclined (oh wait, tennessee claims no such corporate entity exists).
http://www.licerx.com/selmedica-healthcare.htm
That being said, the lies continue.
http://web.archive.org/web/20031229094954/http://...
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Inspector Clue-sew Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:19 am
Good analysis, Cartman. Belcher's specialty seems to be digging holes for himself out of reflex.
If you want to see "pure b.s. in action," check out this interview with Belcher and notice Salty's hilarious, spot-on comments posted below the video:
http://www.couchsurfingori.com/2009/03/30/perry-b...
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That's why saltydroid rules! :)
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But the problem with your logic is you're assuming he isn't doing all those things as required by his parole. He'd have to be pretty dumb to blatantly violate parole in such a public way. Now, he may be that dumb, but the reality is you have no clue whether he's violating his parole or not.
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Does his twitter following provide any evidence that he has been doing any of those things without the approval of his parole officer?
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dude is in violation of several caveats of his probation.. no association or coaching people involved with misleading marketing… omg has Tenn. seen his social media spam product.. jeez.. old dog old tricks…
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Well, I guess we now all know why Perry Belcher has decided to go under the radar, so-to-speak. Sure makes it harder to shine the light on whatever he’s up to.
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@Roger you really think that the everyday-ordinary schmuck can’t find Perry “under the radar” ? ? ? ? You are way behind ordinary technology then.
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@droidy salt – do you have a clue as to whether you’re violating something?
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does anyone know where he is now? i heard he has been talking to a couple of cpa networks and looking for private offers on lead gen products.
he wants to set up a kiosks at malls to get leads and payment for them and afterward sell them his info products offline. he needed approval from networks and advertisers to get them signed up from the same ip address using computers at the kiosks.
anyone know anything else he is up to now?
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lol@ you’ve gotz to be kidding. How much was he going to get paid per lead?
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Lead gen kiosks? Ain’t gonna fly. And it sure wouldn’t fly under his own name. Perry MUST use a front man. Anything involving money is gonna require a background check, and you know what that’s going to produce! Felony fraud conviction. I pity the fool that signs on to be his front fool.
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