The SlobberNet Comments
Did you hear that Brad Fallon and Andy Jenkins are mega-fucking-douche-bags? Yep! You did. You’re welcome. And it wasn’t just one or two of you now was it? Oh no … it was fuck near all of you. The hush curtains are coming down … and the shit heads have NO IDEA what to do about it. Rolling on ……..
1. Brad and Andy are henceforth “BrAndy” :: cause they hate each other :: so that shit is funny.
2. That photo is unaltered {by me} :: and not classy.
3. StomperNet was sued by their fulfillment house for a significant amount. The complaint claims that they didn’t pay :: and then tried to use that fact to “leverage” themselves into a decreased price. Again :: not classy.
The StomperNet Shit Storm post did indeed produce a shit storm. The comments are crazed {and awesome!} :: you should read them. But there is lots of distracting shenanigans per the usual :: so here is a distillation of the new info that oozed up from the dark black hole that is 2010 SlobberNet … my thanks to the useful commenters {and to all the other peeps who sent me useful shit over the last week}. Let’s figure out what has happened here … and do something about it.
@PsychoBabble ::
“Yes, StomperNet was Brad’s attempt to cover his self-inflicted losses at MyWeddingFavors.
Yes, the business was operated by his wife while Brad toured the country using it as “proof” of his business acumen. (Brad’s core competency is presenting the fiction that Brad is a good/competent guy, not running a business.)
Two missing pieces: John “The Greaser” Reese and Frank “Churm ‘em and Burn ‘em” Kern.
Kern masterminded the thing from behind the scenes. The SlobberNet twins could not and did not pull this off by themselves. Pre-Launch, they were hopeless boobs and got virtually their original customers by trawling other people’s seminars and signing up people in dark corners…”
Yep! StomperNet belongs to BrAndy on paper … but the reality of the situation is something else entirely.
“What you’re missing -and maybe someone with the evidence will come forward – is that unpaid commissions are just the tip of the iceberg. SlobberNet ERASED THE COOKIES of many of its original affiliates after the first launch, thus stealing who knows how much money from them in the process.”
I’ve heard that multiple times :: from multiple sources.
“Oh, and one other little detail. Drug of choice for this crew? Adderall crushed and snorted. Adderall is a fancy name for four different kinds of amphetamines. Breakfast of champions… if you aspire to be a raging high energy mass of hostility, paranoia and dishonesty.”
Snort snort :: I hear this all the time too.
@Tom Porky ::
“During the 999 launch, in the process of making tools available to affiliates, a tool supplier copied affiliates incorrectly in an email resulting in a bunch of affiliates getting the others’ email addresses. Brad hit the roof! Guess they need to get together.”
Live together :: Die alone.
“As we know, on 4-6-2009 a receiver (Luther Beck Jr.) was appointed by the court to oversee StomperNet finances. Brad and Andy came to an agreement on 7-24-2009 and on 8-11-2009 the receivership was terminated by the court. We know they owed affiliates a boat load of money. The question is, why would be receiver agree to allow an owner to be paid $100,000 and leave the affiliates unpaid?”
I don’t know who this “we” is :: but I didn’t know any of that.
“… if the information is so great why did 85% of the original subscribers drop out. You have claimed more than 1800 signed up in 2006 but at time of your 999 launch you had just over 260 and that’s after 2 additional launches over that 3 year period. Hey, with that record you should be paying them big bucks to keep your job!!
Oh, but you are the great marketer who was suppose to get more than 5000 new subscribers during that 999 launch. You did not even get close to half that! And why are people dropping out so fast? It must be because of that great info StomperNet provides.
Oh, I guess it’s those free tools that surprise, surprise, actually cost if you want them to do anything really useful. But that was Brad’s original plan – bring them in at $200 and push them up to $400 or maybe a $1000.”
85% drop out rate :: pretty much says it all. That’s just like growing a business :: only not.
What’s the difference between the current $200 & $500 per month StomperNet packages? No seriously … what’s the difference? I’ll wait.
“Oh yes, Brad is wonderful! After StomperNet Live 8 he calls all the faculty to his house and basically fires them all. Oh, they can stay on but without pay and they still have to do faculty office hours and participate in the forum for nothing.
You remember that promise Andy and Brad made to the apprentice members, that is, they would never have to pay again for anything BrAndy did. But Brad, being the great guy he is, decided they have to pay for the new stomper tools. Guess he figured out some way to say they are not really his product.
And then there is the problem of throwing away 3 years of work some of his members had put in building links because Brad decided to just stop paying for the service. He did not even tell the guys in Utah he was dumping them until nearly 4 months after the fact.
Oh Brad puts on a clean public face to his members, but deal with him one on one and you learn how big an asshole he is with his bullying, demeaning emails and text messages.
And don’t think we are stupid. Brad was always a 50% owner in StomperNet and if it went down to the point he had to rescue it, he did allow it to happen.
Also, if Brad is such a wonderful “SEO guru” why did he have to have Dan Thies, Leslie Rohde and Andy Edmonds work on MWF to keep it ranking and producing? With those guys helping, any of us could be SEO gurus.
Why did Brad have to run the 999 launch out of his home kitchen? If StomperNet is such a successful business that’s “here to stay”, why can’t they get a real office.”
God Brad SUCKS!! Even for someone who sucks he sucks.
@Aspen Brands
“Jennifer married Brad in May of 2003. She had her own home and he had a condo that his parents had to sign for due to his credit history. Jennifer had an 8 yr track record with Johnson and Johnson moving up the ladder every year or two and then left on good terms and went into big ticket sales with software in the legal and then healthcare industries. Brad did not have any assets when he married Jennifer. She runs the Aspen Brands as CEO and the key brands are kate Aspen and Baby Aspen and then there are many e-commerce retail sites that are under the overall umbrella…
The lawsuit against Jennifer is bogus and unfortunately she may be paying cash out of pocket to Brad since he has driven every start up he has attempted into the ground while she has continued to focus on her company strengths. But ultimately the asssets will be split in the divorce, not by the lawsuit where Brad claims ownership of the companies after filing bankruptcy post Jennifer starting the company. There is a trial date set for the divorce and the charges were ordered to be dropped against Jennifer in the above case since they will be ultimately handled in the divorce.”
How can Brad Fallon help your company fail today?
>> bleep bloop
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:: read one now before you die of stupid.
Doesn’t that photo say it ALL! LOL
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SD Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
It makes me think of this ::
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHboMLW-Zn0
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Tiga Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Get out ya quack! and don’t those phony remedies here again! Go on back where you belong… JAIL!
Bloody Beautiful
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Looks like they had some initial difficulty even locating an actual Stompernet office to serve those papers, according to this court entry:
12/2/2008 Thursday, December 04, 2008 not est./not to be found sheriff bldg 6420 mostly vacant- appears to only have one business called fujitec elevators. will need ste number to further locate def.
Maybe they should have just tried Brad’s kitchen table?
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“It would be VERY interesting to hear dirt on John Carlton. Managed to stay off the radar for a long time but is notoriously secretive.”
Who wrote the ad copy for the original SlobberNet launch – and nearly four years of scams later continues to work with them? John Carlton. Did he get paid? Sure did. And he continues to promote Herr Kilstein and is apparently on the guest list for the Eben Pagan’s upcoming scamdance in Miami.
And while we’re adding co-conspirators to the SlobberNet lineup, Mike Long crows that he received a payment
of $965,423.00 from SlobberNet after their first launch.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIABRAdDP0 (6:16)
In the same video, Long also takes credit for managing the John Reese Million Dollar Day in 2004. (Interesting: Reese tells the story two different ways. One makes Mike the hero. Later, on the Tony Robbins video, Reese make himself the hero and claims the million dollar day had been his aim all along. Don’t these guys check their notes?)
In fairness to Long, he was booted off Team Scam by Reese and SlobberNet after the first SlobberNet launch. He was also compelled to pay Reese a sizable “bonus” from his own commission (further evidence of Reese’s critical role in SlobberNet.)
Long knows where ALL the skeletons are buried…yet he is doofus enough to dredge up past relationships with Reeese, Kern, SlobberNet, Filsaime etc. as personal credibility builders
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hmm Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
lol @ “Eben Pagan’s Scamdance”.
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Steve Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Its in Miami and we should show up and send a message that the scum must go away.
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Uncle Roy Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 12:11 am
You mean like picketers? Awesome! You’re nominated. Make us proud!!! But seriously, that would be really cool. Anybody?? How about TEAM DROID!
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 12:45 am
How about at StomperNet Live 9 on March 26-28th in Atlanta at the W-Midtown hotel?
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kellyfelixblewme Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Who the fuck is Mike Long and who cares?
These two guys and these “fresh” videos are the epitome of why people need to stop giving money to these clowns.
Wake up people. Kelly Felix tried to blow me in a parking lot.
Eben
Reese
Kern
Walker
Filsaime
Long
Felix
Scum at the lowest parts of the barrel.
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TheRevealer Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 8:39 am
I think Mike Long DID play a huge role on their launches…
I think he was in charge of crushing the Adderall and rolling up monster joints.
Mike Long bringing the fresh? Are you freaking kidding me?
The Revealer
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MikeLong Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Bringing the fresh stench of his balls on my face.
Him and Kelly Felix living together, you know they are boning each other daily.
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SD Reply:
October 21st, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Haven’t read this post for awhile … hi Kelly.
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Wrong numb nutz. Kern wrote the copy and brags about it all the time. That’s his I made 23 million dollars in a day speech. So I don’t think Carlton got paid for writing something he didn’t do. U r such a d-bag.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Actually the correct story is Kern REWROTE the sales letter the night before the launch.
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Lou Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Did that rewriting involve subsituting the words, “dude, fuck, shit?” You know, the Kern special sauce?
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99-52-34 Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Which IM’er (or wannabe) are you, sphincter? Are you gonna be at Carlton’s next sequential jabberfest next week? (Only $800.00! Act now!) Harlan Kilstein’s gonna be there. Maybe you can tickle his beard. Or something.
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:12 am
“Kern wrote the copy and brags about it all the time”
Kern brags about something so that makes it true?
LOL.
In fact, as the voice of reason relates, the players involved have already laid out how it all went down: Long – Kern & Reese – Carlton…that’s who ran the StomperNet launch while the Forest Gumps of Internet scamming Brad and Andy got their big payday (after Kern, Reese, Long, Carlton etc. took their cut off the top.)
Re: the StomperNet vendor scam. Did these guys ever pay ANYBODY?
Carlton is still part of the crew and Long – even after being bounced to the curb by most of these guys – is using his former working relationship with them as his credibility builder… in 2010.
Just because they’re crooks, doesn’t mean they’re smart.
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Children, children, allow me to straighten out the “what did Carlton have to do with the infamous stompernet launch.”
Unlike the Salty-superlib (and 99% of the people visiting this site), I have actually looked at these products being discussed here. And, I am familiar with the actual statements of these players made in their products.
So, from a teleseminar Carlton did with Kern (to set up the “launch” of his kick-ass copywriting course–yup, I’ve gone through that one, too), here is how Carlton and Kern directly describe it–
Kern was recruited by Mike Long to write the emails priming the pump for the stompernet launch. An after thought, to hear Kern tell it, was the actual sales page (the emails were written, and Long and Kern then, supposedly, realized they needed to write the sales letter). Bantering around the angle to take, and the hook to use, they were stymied and becoming more and more alarmed because of the looming deadline. Now, really, to believe this story, who the fuck would be so stupid to suddenly realize, “oh shit, we need a salesletter–can’t believe we forgot about that.” But, that’s the way Kern tells the story.
So, without any luck coming up with a hook, Long and Kern decide to call in Carlton for advice. Carlton, being the “god like copywriter” he is, listens to the shrill “what do we do???” from Kern and Long, and holds up his hand (much like Moses held up his staff before the panicky israelites at the edge of the Red sea to silence them and get their attention in the Ten Commandments, and booms out the secret that allowed Kern to come up with the hook and write the “money getting” letter…
“shut up, calm down, here’s what you do–tell them one, here’s who I am, two, here’s what I got, three, here’s what it’ll do for you, and four, here’s what I want you to do next.”
Kern gushes about how how surely it couldn’t be that easy, but it was…bingo bongo, and 18 million dollar sales letter.
For the record, in the interview, Carlton directly says he was tapped before Kern, but turned Long down. But, he also admits that, like Kern, he was become friends with the “stompernet brothers.”
Kern also throws a shout out to his spit swapping bum buddies, by saying that it wasn’t just him who wrote the emails–that Reese, Filsaime and regular band of “usual suspects” helped.
So, Carlton didn’t write the copy–but feels compelled to say he was the first choice to write it. His contribution was limited to merely providing god-like advice.
Oh, hey, salty-super lib, I’m a little disappointed (but certainly not surprised) that none of my stunningly awesome posts on the slobbernet thread made it to your “best of comments” post.
You only hurt yourself by not giving my posts the prominent postion they deserve.
Oh, and hey, as a complete aside…my condolances on the dems losing their super majority tonight. Chin up, though…Barry will still be delivering on his agenda to crush the capitalist spirit that he (and you) so clearly despises.
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Chester Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
Even if he didn’t write it verbatim, it sounds like Carlton had input via “thought proxy.”
We have plenty of shovels. We just need more diggers. Come on people.
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SD Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
You did make the post …
“But there is lots of distracting shenanigans per the usual”
… that’s all you bitch … all you. congrats!
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the voice of reason Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 12:06 am
Well, I’ll still drop by and read the posts, salty-superlib. And, if the post is deemed worthy, I’ll comment on it.
Nice job on the PDF lawsuit post, too. Wherever you’re getting this info, keep up the good work of posting it.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Actually in Kern Mass Control sales letter he states:
“I’m the guy that wrote the emails, wrote the sales letter, scripted the videos, wrote the blog posts, and told the affiliates what to say…..
So Andy writes a rough draft and gets it to me about 72 hours before we’re supposed to go live. It was horrible! …. There was no way Andy’s draft could be brushed up. I was going to have to start all over from scratch and write the whole thing myself. So that’s what I did. But here’s where it gets a little complicated. I got the draft on Friday at around 4 PM or so. I’d promised my wife that I would not work at all that weekend, so I didn’t get to work on the sales letter until about 10AM Monday morning. But the launch was scheduled to go live in less the 23 hours! I had less than one day to write the sales letter. Fortunately, I was so in time with the market because I’d been writing all the launch emails that it was pretty easy to bang out the sales letter. I ended up writing it in about six hours, the day before the launch. And the next day we did seven million dollars in the first hour!”
Of course Kern would not lie to us in his sales letter, right?
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Matt Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 1:46 am
You know what that sounds like? That sounds like everything (including the product) is really secondary to the whole “list hustling” concept these days. It’s too bad most people don’t realize they are nothing more than cattle to be swapped about until their pockets are empty.
“I’ll sell my list on your stuff” and “you sell your list on my stuff.” That’s how it goes. Of course, they build each other up with glowing praise to keep it going.
People need to wake up.
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Mock Me Baby Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 11:45 am
You wrote: “It’s too bad most people don’t realize they are nothing more than cattle…”
I think you touched on the truth very directly here.
Dan Kennedy – guru of the gurus – talks continually about “getting a herd.”
Kennedy has always bragged that he has never had a business card but in 2003 or 2004 he said in seminar he finally had cards made up. His title on the cards? “Cattle Herder”
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Voice Of Your Anus Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 7:28 am
VOR -
You say some interesting things.
I’ve got a few things to say to you.
Your monthly report was the biggest debacle I’ve ever seen. I can’t believe you got away with charging $99 bucks a month for that douchebag of a pdf.
Your pyramid Blog Rush was such a joke it solidified you as nothing but lucky one-time hack.
You’re a joke man. Get out of here John Reese. Anyone who’s been in Internet Marketing long enough to see one of your long-winded ‘praise me as the almighty savior of marketing’ speeches, knew who the “voice of reason” was after your very first comment here.
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SD Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
@AnusVoice ::
I don’t think @VOR is Reese. I also kinda doubt he is any of our other bad guys … as he doesn’t use a proxy server … and is a fucking useless Canadian.
But if you want to see John Boy prostrating himself before this blog :: then check out “Whatever” on this post …
http://saltydroid.info/frank-kern-pissy-plotless-plotting/
… because that probably was poor, scared, lying, puke fuck John Reese.
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j Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Nothing wrong with being Canadian.
No need for that man.
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SD Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
@J :: Says you Canadian! It’s a World Cup year … type to ramp up the nationalism. Oh that’s right … Canada didn’t make the finals. How unusual!!!!!!
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the voice of reason Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Hmmm, yeah, salty-superlib…Canada sucks when it comes to soccor (and yeah, it’s soccor…NOT “football”, losers). Um…unlike the powerhouse Americans, who make the finals almost every four years. OOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW MY SIDE!!!!
Or, maybe you’re a bad teeth Brit…hell, when it comes to placing in the world cup, they’re almost as pathetic as Canada. Hooligan fucking la-loooooooooooooosers.
But, yeah, I agree Salty-superlib. Time to ramp up the nationalism. And, when it comes to the world cup, I look beyond being “Canadian.” Back to my families roots.
Fucking GERMAN bitches. One of the superpowers of world cup.
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fuck u canadian VOR Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:11 am
fuck you canadian useless bitch
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Rezbi Reply:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
For what it’s worth, I do know JC didn’t actually write anything for the stomper launches.
FK asked him for advice and JC gave it to him.
That was it.
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Here it is again. Anyone who works with the people like frank kern, Eben Pagan, Mike konigs, Jeff Walker and the likes, will reap the wrath of “hang with a shit hole and you are a shit hole”
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 12:39 am
@Steve – It’s not “hang with a shit hole and you are a shit hole”. It’s hang with a shit hole you get shit on. Better bring plenty of soap!
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$18,000,000 launch BULLSHIT!
$7,000,000 in an hour. BULLSHIT AGAIN!
Here’s what they consider sales. They sell their crappy membershit site to people for $800. Now what they consider and count for sales in their HUGE FRICKEN figures is this…
If every single person who bought from us stays in for the full 12 months then we would make $18,000,000. WTF? What their shit is so good that no one is every going quit? Yeah Right.
So don’t believe this product launch bullshit. They lie though their fucking teeth. All these bastards lie. What a sorry bunch.
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These posts deserve to be turned into .pdfs and uploaded to scribd and the torrents
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Eggbert Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Even better, how about if you are reading this…post the links to pages on this site to blogs, forums, Digg, and such…and tweet them? Every little bit helps.
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Fanny Spanker Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
http://www.PDFmyURL.com … go for it W-a-M
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Re: Reese comment – “Your pyramid Blog Rush was such a joke it solidified you as nothing but lucky one-time hack.”
If Voice of Reason is John Reese (which I kind of doubt, but who knows?), it would be more accurate to say Reese was a one-time lucky THIEF. No luck involved.
Like the sociopath that he is, Reese assembled his 2004 seminar (the recording of which he later flogged for his bogus Million Dollar Day) from material he lifted while attending dozens of other people’s seminars in 2001-2004. When I say “lifted” I mean in some cases VERBATIM plagiarism. Didn’t even bother to change the wording.
Present and playing the role of psycho sycophants way back then were…guess who? Frank Kern, Jeff Waker, Jeff Johnson, Mike Long, Jeff Mulligan, Yanik Silver, Jason Potash etc. The same sick crew you’ve see together over and over again to this day. These guys are nothing if not consistent.
That 2004 seminar was D-Day for Reese and the junior scam artists who clung to his skirt back then.
His plan was to make himself over from a broken down scam artist into a genius Internet marketer.
Ooops. I guess that didn’t go the way he hoped…He revered to type. What a surprise.
Hooking up with Tony Robbins was his last shot at making it work. It’s downhill all the way from here on.
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the voice of reason Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
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LOSER!! ::
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Weird porno-like slide show from a VIP party at
a Kern seminar
Title (I kid you not) “Hot Saturday Nigh Action”
The music is quite poignant LOL
Filmed sometime in 2009, so a good check on
who Kern considers a VIP (i.e. fellow scammer)
Reese, Jenkins, Yanik Silver, Jeff Walker, Jeff Johnson,
Mike Filsaime, Ryan Deiss, Perry Belcher, Ed Dale etc.
No one could make this shit up if they tried.
http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoafM8-O.html
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:19 am
Oh and Mike Koenig and John Cartoon, I mean Carlton, too
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SD Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
That was gross … and the elevator jazz made it even worse.
I also noticed Not-Doctor Kilstein and Maria “You’re Not In My Phone” Andros.
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Clyde Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Man, I haven’t laughed so hard in months, I tell ya! Months! All that pomp and no circumstance. The epitomy of shallow. At the same time, I felt a wave of pure nausea from watching that video. What a total pukefest. Just watching that will leave you with a painful rash.
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Here is transparency in action.
Because remember, we’re holding nothing back here.
http://www.area51marketing.com/actuallyfreetraffic.php
(Except blocking out 95% of the screen during our gay porn)
Bring The Homo 2010 – Mike Long and Kelly Felix
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Shit, they breed like cockroaches.
I missed these the first time around: Jeff Mulligan, Kilstein, Jason Moffatt. Probably others I don’t recognize.
Sound track: “You picked a bad time to break up, a very bad time to break up” LOL
The video caption:
“Wow! What a congregation of the rich and famous internet Rock Stars and GURUS at Frank Kern’s Mass Control Seminar 2009″
It just gets better and better.
The slide show was produced by something called InSearchofHeroes.com – a charity – which has profiled wonderful people like…Paulie Sabol, Donna Fox, and other luminaries
Site comes complete with “brain balancing tips” – I kid you not
A veritable catalog of sleazebags and sleazebag events
http://www.insearchofheroes.com/history_in_search_of_heroes/seminar_theme_photo_in_search_of_heroes_program.htm
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Great Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Great.
I can attend a charity event and have Paulie Sabol try to touch me as well.
Sick puppies.
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Androgenous Andros is in those pictures too
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SD Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Funny! In the not really very funny sort of way.
I linked to InSearchOfHeroes on the Filsaime/Sabol post …
http://www.insearchofheroes.com/internet-heroes/pages/paulie_sabol_hero.html
… it’s a very non-traditional use of the word “hero” … but to each his own I suppose.
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Ryan Healy Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
Ralph Zuranski is the guy who takes the pictures. A very nice man. He travels around to these seminars taking photos and trying to get support for kids. At least that’s what I remember. (This was back in 2005, my memory may be rusty.)
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Sam Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Perhaps his research skills have not kept pace with his photography skills. Or better yet, maybe a bunch of people are about to be PUNKED.
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Ralph Zuranski Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Thanks for your support Ryan. My intentions are honorable. The goal of the photos and interviews was to ask profound questions and let the potential heroes answer them. You can tell a lot about people from their photos and answers to the heroes questions.
The eyes are the windows to the soul.
Hopefully, people are able to discern who has honesty, integrity and ethics by looking into their eyes. Many of the people I have interviewed have turned out to be real-life heroes.
Some have not.
However, who has not fallen on difficult times and did things they are ashamed of. There is the opportunity for repentance and salvation for all of us, even the worst sinners.
I guess those of us who have sinned the most are more forgiving for all the other sinners who are learning real-life lessons about the consequences of their actions.
Eventually, you do reap what you sow. Time will judge the people reviled in this blog. Failure, derision and poverty will be their reward if what you say is true.
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Ralph Zuranski Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
I shot the photos and made the videos of the Mass Control Seminars and many of the other internet seminars over the last 8 years. Frank has done the world a big service by resurrecting the heroes marketing model.
I am the creator of the In Search Of Heroes Program.
You may not like the individuals I photographed, but you should at least read the answers to some of their heroes interviews. Many of their answers contain valuable advice.
No one is perfect.
As Gregory Alan-Williams said, one of the first heroes candidates interviewed by a high school journalism student in Coronado, “There is a little bit of bad in the best of us and a little bit of good in the worst of us.”
The goal is to find the good in others, tell the truth about their lives and decide if you want to do business with them. The candidates for heroes interview were selected because of their success and how they treated their staff at the seminars.
I had the opportunity to see them in the back rooms when their game face dropped and you witnessed who they really are.
Many of the people you are maligning are worthy of praise in many areas of their lives. It is hard to imagine that someone would harbor the vitriol you and the others exhibit on this blog. It is a sad statement you see only evil where there is a lot of good.
Perhaps these individuals are returning to you what you project to the world. You get what you put out. You reap what you sow.
It is my prayer everyone focuses on the good in others rather than the evil.
Matthew 5:43-48 (New International Version)
Love for Enemies
43″You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[b] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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Ken Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
You said, “It is a sad statement you see only evil where there is a lot of good.”
The opposite can also be said: “It is a sad statement you ignore a lot of evil and see only good.” ESPECIALLY when people’s lives and livelihoods are on the line.
Your observation that “no one is perfect” is not carte blanche to ignore serious faults. That is a cop-out, and a way to disengage from responsibility.
So you’ve seen people “backstage” with their “hair down.” That’s hardly quality time. Have you seen them in their offices, their homes, and for lengthy periods of time when they didn’t know you were around? Please remove the rose colored glasses before you toss out such solid endorsements that might give others a false sense of security.
You are presenting these people as HEROES. That’s a MASSIVE, ringing endorsement. Are they? Heroes? Your manner of presentation is VERY likely to cause casual readers to put down their defenses, and let blind trust be their only guide. Are you then ENDORSING and certifying the people you so easily lend credibility to? What will you do if you are wrong…simply shrug and say, “oops?”
Do you really think Paulie Sabol is a hero? It is hard to imagine that, looking at his picture and criminal record on the sex offender registry.
People would be better off in search of non-heroes.
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Ralph Zuranski Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Hi Ken,
Thanks for the online spanking. I deserve it. (-:
My definition of HEROES is someone who Helps Enthusiastically, Responsibly, Optimistically, Exceptionally, Socially at a moment in their life time. The worst villain can become a hero at a moment in time as well as a hero become a villain. I never met anyone who was a hero who did not fall far short on certain days, especially in their relationships with others.
No one is all good or all evil. Everyone is a sinner in one way or another. It is wise to know both sides of the human coin.
I don’t want to endorse anyone who is ripping off others in any way. That would be a huge mistake.
No one is perfect is true. This does not justify wrong doing in any way. It just identifies the human condition thanks to original sin.
Even the Apostle Paul said he did things he knew he should not do…did not do the things he knew he should. Sin is a constant condition of living in this imperfect world.
All transgressions of God’s Laws in personal life and business eventually reap the rewards they deserve. God holds people personally responsible and punishes or rewards them according to their actions.
Peoples’ live change over the years. Some of the finest and worst people make radical turns during their lives. I don’t know many who have not experienced these radical cycles.
It is my fervent prayer that their is forgiveness for all who seek it and are truly repentant and the restoration that ensues.
It truly a sad statement on some of the individuals discussed in this blog. If they have forsaken honesty, ethics and integrity their businesses will fail and they will lose their most valuable possession is their reputation.
Please give me a list of those you have personal experience with, not hearsay, that have violated the laws of ethics, integrity and honesty so I search for the truth.
As you rightly point out, I cannot in good conscience endorse anyone that does not posses the qualities that would make them role models for young people.
Since I invested the last 5 years taking care of my dying parents 24/7, the lives of the potential heroes I interviewed have changed or I was totally deluded by my rose colored glasses.
Any way, I am a seeker of the truth. Please give me a list of the culprits and a list of those worthy to be honored as internet heroes. If you don’t want to publish it here, please email it to me at biomans@gmail.com. I will keep it in the strictest confidence.
Ralph
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Ken Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Ralph, I don’t question your intentions or personal integrity in any way. You obviously have an excellent personal reputation and people respect you. I’m also not trying to be hard on you. I just don’t want to see people victimized, and with the level of noise out there, it is often difficult for the average person to find and discern the truth.
On this web site, you will find more than just innuendo. You will have to look past the sometimes uncomfortable abrasiveness though. However, you will find court records, sworn legal statements, direct links, copies of misleading advertising, and more. In addition, there are many reliable third party links to support much of what you will find here. From all this, you will be able to draw some very reasonable and justifiable conclusions.
I find it admirable that you look to find the good in all people. That is a great attitude. Please remember though that we should also aim to PROTECT the good in all people, and sometimes, that may mean identifying and isolating the bad in some people.
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This next video is a good example of the depth of delusion out there.
The founder of “In Search of Heroes” offers this heart felt
tribute to Frank Kern.
In his book, Kern is a hero *because* he was busted by the FTC.
With volunteer shills like this who needs NLP?
Great shots of DBs in action Brad Fallon, Andy Jenkins, Ebab, Pagan, Ed Dale, Jeff Walker,
John Cartoon, Bob Serling, Joe Polish
Note: at 7:07, there is a video of Fallon and Jenkins handing Kern
a check for $540,000.00
So the cash was still flowing big time to Kern while everyone else
was getting stiffed. Who was that who controlled StomperNet again?
Watch to the end. The parting comments are priceless.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpm1bfrrZms
“The food, fun, entertainment and attendees exceeded all limits of what is possible in the real world.”
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filsaimeinsider Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 11:22 am
that video is from 2008 mass control seminar
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SD Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Ha! Make sure to attend the next Kern seminar if you want to get “blown out” …
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
The check is actually for $5,400 and on a different note, doesn’t Jeff Johnson look like that guy from Seinfeld?
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Fanny Spanker Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
Re the Kern FTC story – As much as the bloodhound gang here would like to beat it up to him being a complete thieving arsehole, the story as he tells it is more a tale of what can happen to anyone when someone else sells under their name.
I could claim to be Salty Droid selling Droid Repair Profit eBooks and if someone complains because I take the money and run,then it is Droid they will go after first(especially if droid sold me the rights to the copy he was selling from).
Kern does have issues but I don’t think the FTC issue was actually something to be cautious about.
Anyway I think Jason Moffatt is kinda alright, and will be benefit of the doubting him unless I see other than guilt by association.
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Sam Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Well, if Jason Moffatt floats your boat, sit back and watch this fascinating demonstration of his “prowess.” (Don’t worry, the video is under 6 hours and he does get out of his chair at least once.)
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0_7XuTP2q4
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filsaimeinsider Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:23 am
what is he doing? launching a product and getting drunk at same time watching the orders come in? if so seems disturbing
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Sam Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:33 pm
He’s supposedly using his “product” called “Niche Browser.” (Really just someone else’s funky relabeled stuff.) I guess he’s showing how you can just sit back and get wasted and have the money roll in (or not). Impressive, huh?
You gotta watch the whole thing…it’s oddly ridiculous.
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Ralph Zuranski Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
I shot the photos and made the videos of the Mass Control Seminars and many of the other internet seminars over the last 8 years. Frank has done the world a big service by resurrecting the heroes marketing model.
I am the creator of the In Search Of Heroes Program.
You may not like the individuals I photographed, but you should at least read the answers to some of their heroes interviews. Many of their answers contain valuable advice.
No one is perfect.
As Gregory Alan-Williams said, one of the first heroes candidates interviewed by a high school journalism student in Coronado, “There is a little bit of bad in the best of us and a little bit of good in the worst of us.”
The goal is to find the good in others, tell the truth about their lives and decide if you want to do business with them. The candidates for heroes interview were selected because of their success and how they treated their staff at the seminars.
I had the opportunity to see them in the back rooms when their game face dropped and you witnessed who they really are.
Many of the people you are maligning are worthy of praise in many areas of their lives. It is hard to imagine that someone would harbor the vitriol you and the others exhibit on this blog. It is a sad statement you see only evil where there is a lot of good.
Perhaps these individuals are returning to you what you project to the world. You get what you put out. You reap what you sow.
It is my prayer everyone focuses on the good in others rather than the evil.
Matthew 5:43-48 (New International Version)
Love for Enemies
43″You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[b] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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SD Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
@Ralph ::
“Open your mouth for the dumb, for the rights of all the unfortunate. Open your mouth, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.”
Prov. 31:8
We each have our part to play … the vitriol is for show … the passion and commitment to the cause are not.
Frank is not a hero … or a good man … or even a man at all. This blog is a criticism of “marketing” tactics and schemes which are a violation of morality and the public good. The value of the content provided by these silly programs is a side issue. I encourage you to stay tuned and see if you can see the harsh truth that hides behind the horrid jokes.
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Name Not Important Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Thank you, Salty, for showing your soft side here.
Ralph is indeed very well intentioned. I’ve known him. I’ve hugged him. He is a gentle soul who sees the best in everyone, no matter who they are.
A bit naive, but his heart is in the right place.
He has been away from most of the internet marketing scene for a few years, taking care of his aged parents and supporting his community the best he can.
So, he can be forgiven for not being aware of what’s really happening behind the scenes.
If he knew the whole truth about some of those he chose to showcase as heroes, his heart would break, and I for one, would be sad to see the light of innocence leave his eyes.
Just my unimportant two cent’s worth.
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Ralph Zuranski Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 7:56 am
Thank you for your clarification and kind words.
I will monitor this blog on a daily basis. I want to know the truth about potential role models for high school and college kids. Are there any other blogs I can monitor that provide a heads up on what is going on in the internet industry?
I do weep and my heart is broken if what you say is true.
If they are as corrupt as you say, I will consider removing their interviews from the In Search Of Heroes site and the upcoming books I am completing.
Yes, I have been out of action in the internet community for the last 2 years because of the deaths of both my parents.
I followed through on my commitment to care for them 24/7 for five years. My mom died in 2007 and my dad in 2008.
I delayed completing and promoting the heroes program until after they died in their own home, in their own beds with me holding their hand saying goodbye.
I guess I need to get up to speed on what has happened over the last couple of years. Some of the interviews I completed of people you excoriate contained good advice on life and family.
I am considering publishing their content because it will help others understand the conflict many have between their personal and public lives.
The big question over the last 10 years has been, “Does character really matter in business and politics?”
Napoleon Hill and Earl Nightingale I believe answered that question many years ago. Their wisdom still stands as a model for correct human action and thought. That is why I am incorporating their material into the heroes educational program.
I like to think the best of people I know but must also confront reality. I will search out the facts and proceed accordingly.
Do you have any suggestions on who are worthy internet marketers for heroes interviews, that embody honesty, integrity and ethics? I would love to have some suggestions, especially if I discover what you say is true.
Ralph
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Ralph Zuranski Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Frank is a hero because his life was destroyed by the FTC. Few people who come up against such an adversary survives.
Frank has come back stronger and better after his reported demise. I purchased Frank’s Mass Control course and believe it is a valuable educational program.
The “Heroes Marketing” strategy is valuable for every person to model. It is worth every penny I paid for it. I intend to use it for my heroes program.
After reading the comments on this blog, I wonder if anyone invested in Frank’s material and used it. Sometimes it is easier to criticize others rather than focus on the good.
In this case, if any of the bloggers here bought Franks programs, I am confident he will be happy to give you a full refund.
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Ken Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
“Frank is a hero because his life was destroyed by the FTC?”
I was hoping to see words like: charitable, giving, honest, compassionate, selfless, etc. So much for that.
But at least we got a definition of what a hero is to you: Someone who goes up against a consumer protection organization.
Frank’s life WASN’T destroyed by the FTC. He got off EASY. He simply agreed to (from that point forward) run an honest business. Big concession, huh?
Whatta hero!
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Ralph Zuranski Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 8:13 am
I admire Frank because he is promoting the importance of the heroes journey in each person’s life. The world needs as many heroes as possible in the difficult times we are experiencing today. The heroes journey is a useful marketing strategy. I believe it helps individuals become better people as the consider being a hero.
The heroes journey is one that is long and involved. Heroes work through ups and downs. They make major mistakes and wise decisions.
The good thing is we are all works in progress. God is not finished with us until our last breath. Hopefully, all of us sinners will repent and receive eternal salvation before we die.
Major calamities in life cause many to give up and become failures forever. I don’t know all the facts about Frank’s fall from glory and resurrection. However, I admire anyone who becomes successful after going up against the government.
One of my dear friends had the government come after his $500,000,000 business. All the chargers were trumped up.
He saved his company but went personally bankrupt because of the aggressive prosecution and lies of the government. They are still working to destroy his life. His finances are already dead.
He has not made it back financially but is not giving up. I consider him a hero because he keeps a good attitude despite what is happening in his life.
Many of the guys you discuss do good things for others. Lets hope that the good they do eventually outweighs the bad in the scheme of life.
Ralph
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 11:06 am
“I was totally deluded by my rose colored glasses.”
In fairness to Ralph, “deceived by black-hearted scam artists” is a more accurate description of what happened.
If Ralph has not been actively involved for five years, the fact is the tidal wave of fraud, collusion and consumer rip offs was only just getting warmed up in 2005 just as he was called away by circumstances.
Ralph: You don’t need anyone to provide you with a list. Just look at their own links referenced on this site. These guys became so arrogant they stopped trying to hide what they’re about. Luke 6:43-45
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Ralph Zuranski Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Thanks for the heads up. I had no idea. Luke 6:43-45 is something I believe with all my heart.
A Tree and Its Fruit
43″No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. 45The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.
I will check the links and ask come of the individuals who are walking the walk the best the can that I trust to tell the truth.
Thanks for your guidance.
Ralph
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PsychoBabble Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
If anybody thinks this is trivial stuff, consider this. Not only do we have:
1. Customers being scammed out of their last dollar of savings and/or credit by DBs who have no intention of delivering the goods
2. Journalists (i.e. people who tell the truth) being threatened (lamely, but threatened) with violence (ala Andy “I know people” Jenkins)
3. Promotional partners and vendors being ripped off to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars (Go SlobberNet, go!)
We also have decent people being misled, set up and used as shills by these guys.
What makes these DBs so “smart”?
They set out to exploit normal people’s desire to learn and improve themselves and their desire to share and make a contribution to other people’s lives.
That’s what we’re dealing with here. No mercy.
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OK, we know that d-bags associate with other d-bags and feed on each other. What does arguing about who did what and when etc have to do with shutting them down? Or is that just a pipe dream? What is going to be done to stop them ripping out people.
How does anyone get the unpaid affiliates together to form a class and sue?
How do we get the attorney general in Georgia to look into how the receiver handled funds?
How do we get the IRS to look at funds being transferred between unrelated parties or being paid as distributions when there was no retained earning?
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SD Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Good questions Porky.
I have my own secret plans … which are all based on me standing alone while everyone else hides in the background kvetching about injustice and begging me to keep their name out of it.
Ya’ll let me know if anything about that ever changes.
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Eardrummer Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
LOL!!!!!!
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“What does arguing about who did what and when etc have to do with shutting them down?”
Well, just off the top, if you’re going to take action, attorneys and courts like to know little things like who was involved and what they did. You know, minor details like that.
If Tweedle-Dee-Dumb and Tweedle-Dee-Dee have blown all their StomperNet money, other parties who were involved in creating, guiding and profiting from the enterprise can be included in the complaint. These guys brag endlessly about how much money they’ve made. A lawsuit and/or FTC action will give them the chance to whip it out for real and show everybody what they’ve got.
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Mock Me Baby Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Suing these folks would be interesting.
I think some of the usual droid suspects(if they committed or were involved in fraud) would be prime for a civil RICO suit since several identify themselves as the “syndicate” and when you’re arguing in front of a jury (or even before a Federal judge for that matter)transcripts with words like “syndicate” probably don’t come across well no matter how they’re explained.
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Zor Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Good point. Some of the internet marketers would be perceived as guilty from the moment they entered a courtroom. It would be all uphill from there. No wonder that’s the last place they want to be.
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SD Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
@Mock Me Baby ::
4 Sure!
If anyone cared enough to look :: they would find a paved with gold RICO case.
Which is why these shit eaters are never going to sue me. If they do … they all go to jail. But they’ve done mucho harm :: some of the harmed COULD SUE THEM … and then the underlying truth of the RICO situation would act as very big stick in the litigation.
Why not?
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Mock Me Baby Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
The only issue I see would be the 2 predicate acts would likely be wire fraud and mail fraud. Unfortunately Federal Judges do not look kindly on civil RICO suits brought with ONLY those two predicate acts.
If another predicate act were found in addition to mail fraud and/or wire fraud it would be a pretty strong case.
Even so, with just the mail and wire fraud predicates – if it made it past the motions to dismiss – I’m thinking it would be pretty strong in the Plaintiff’s favor.
Can anyone say TREBLE DAMAGES?
[Disclaimer: I'm not an attorney and none of the above should be construed as legal advice. Consult an attorney for real legal advice]
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someone harmed Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:12 pm
are you saying that just one person needs to stand up and start the sue process?
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I don’t think there’s anyone out there with the balls to sue those guys. Maybe someone will prove me wrong…
but I doubt it’ll happen.
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is this site cattle-herding? not intentionally so, but you know how people can be…self-segregating and all that.
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@VOR,
You would do yourself a favor if you learned to read. You said above:
“Oh, and hey, as a complete aside…my condolances on the dems losing their super majority tonight. Chin up, though…Barry will still be delivering on his agenda to crush the capitalist spirit that he (and you) so clearly despises.”
SD does not despise capitalist but despises d-bags that use the capitalist system in a way that hurts people. There is a difference but obviously that is so over your head you cannot understand it. Try reading this article to get an idea:
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1826
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Jim Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:16 pm
SD does not despise capitalist but despises d-bags that use the capitalist system in a way that hurts people
Sure, that’s it, lol. I’m guessing you believe in bigfoot too, lol.
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Zor Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Care to post a link to your site, “Jim?” You know, since you’re on the “up and up?” Didn’t think so…scammer.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm
@Jim,
Well it’s clear you have not read much on SD forum and did not read the article I linked to.
Now if I am wrong in that statement, then the only other conclusion is you are just too stupid to understand anything you read.
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@Tom Porky – VOR/FGCT/punk is too full of himself to get out of his mother’s basement and figure out the world does not revolve around his rambling bullshit, let alone grasp the concept that ideas don’t hurt people, people hurt people.
@VOR/FGCT/punk – I’ve told you before, and I tell you again – you own shit, and you certainly do not own this blog, so stop claiming false victories.
Sorry folks, I know little to nothing about these dirtbag internet marketers, but I can recognize a shithead from their writing, and I had to say something. Crawling back into my cave now to read more SD before I die of stupid.
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SlobberNet associate Yanik Silver is having trouble filling his latest scaminar (I wonder why? Maybe it’s because they suck and feature people like Mike Filsaime, Jeff Walker, Frank Kern etc..)
But look who is coming to his rescue. Have no fear, SlobberNet is here!
Subject: If you go “Underground”, you get big moolah off [ and new bonus(es) ]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:03:02 -0800
From: StomperNet
Reply-To: emailadminc@stompernet.com
I just found out some really big news I wanted to
share with you quickly.
It’s about Yanik Silver’s Underground Seminar
coming up March 12-14, 2010 in Washington, DC.
He’s just extended the Early-Bird sign-up and
discount until February 3, 2010 because of a really
exciting update! (I’ve known Yanik for a long time
and it’s really rare for him to extend any deadlines
so you know this HAS to be good!)
=====
Gotta love the reasoning for the “rare” discount.
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Jeff Walker says that is the only seminar you need to ever go to. Of course StomperNet thinks their Live events are and then …..
In the begin, StomperNet said if you were a member with them then you did not need to go anywhere else. Now Brad Fallon is sending out ever offer that comes along to all his members and anyone else he’s managed to get on a list.
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filsaimeinsider Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 7:40 am
stompernet is over all fallon has is the list of names and is just trying to get them to buy anything he can before stompernet itself dissapears.
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Props to Mike Long for getting paid $900k from guys who can’t even pay their employees. Looks like he got out at the right time. You can buy a lot of weed with all that loot.
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recent post in SN forum:
LOOK STOMPER STAFF – NO ANSWERS TO MY SUPPORT EMAILS…NONE OF THEM? WHY IS THAT? YOU DONT CARE THAT IM PAYING YOU NEARLY 300 DOLLARS A MONTH WITHOUT HAVING ANY OF MY TOOLS IN THE BACKEND WORK? YOU DONT MIND TAKING MONEY WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY VALUE IN RETURN, SCREW IT WHO CARES RIGHT.
I WANT A REFUND THIS THIS MONTH AND LAST MONTH. I WILL WAIT 24 HOURS AND IF YOU IDIOTS DELETE MY FORUM POSTS ASKING FOR HELP AGAIN WITHOUT CONTACTING ME I AM DISPUTING EVERY CHARGE YOU EVER PLACED ON MY CARD. THIS ISNT A BUSINESS ITS AN ABANDONED FORUM YOU CHARGE MONTHLY FOR.
WINNER!! ::
+9
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Chuck Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
WHAT a quote:
“THIS ISNT A BUSINESS ITS AN ABANDONED FORUM YOU CHARGE MONTHLY FOR.”
Wow!
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Tom Porky Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Saw that this morning on the forum. Jared is pissed!!
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I hardly leave any comments on blog, but this is one that deserve my recognition and applause.
Kudos Droid, firstly, I am a victim of these so called IM “gurus” that claimed to bank in hundred and thousands of dollars each month without sweat.
They make you believe that it’s EASY to make money online by buying one of their overpriced garbage products and if you fail, buy again!
I don’t believe in karma now, because after all the shit they did, they still get all the money and spend our money in their pleasure while the rest of us trying to figure out “what’s wrong with me?”.
I seriously pity those people that fall for this get rich scheme including me, just hope that you guys will wake the fuk up and stop being so naive. Do your research! And please don’t believe anything a marketer says, because 99% are B.S. Remember this line and I promised you that you’re gonna saved a boatload of cash for the next upcoming Christmas.
Peace out
Felix
P.S – Droid, you rock ;)
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2010 is supposed to be the death of the “Internet Guru”. Not that i’m sugesting that good folks like aforementioned Brad Fallon etc are really internet gurus, but you get the idea. Goodbye and good riddance to all of them.
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Look, it’s birds of a feather, chirping together:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbpYfB_NUa8
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Frank (not Kern) Reply:
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:54 am
Great, they crack up at their own bullshit. lol. Real “StomperSmart” Stuff.
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
LOSER!! ::
-7
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Brewster Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Look, it’s ‘super-successful’ “Simon” who’s somehow randomly appeared here to enlighten us. Are you reporting this back to your psychologist as a “successful interraction?”
It’s always impressive when someone who claims they “have 100k” can squeeze a totally ignorable mini-rant into their obviously stuffed calendar. Come back again whenever you feel anxious about your future and we’ll let you pretend again.
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208-577-6210 Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
I’ll take that bet. People who can think for themselves are the least likely to have nothing in their bank accounts. They’re just interested in the commentary here. I mean, you’re living proof, right?
I look forward to hearing from you about the $100k
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_cartman_ Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Good morning Simon and welcome to my comment….people get 10′s of 1000′s of dollars to from my comments….so consider this pro bozo….
“Sure, some of these guys are fake”
Validation…thank god…I wasn’t sure until you came along…I was thinking….hmmm…are they or aren’t they fake….I hope an anonymous “commentator” comes along and validates that for me.
“but what is even sadder, is you people spending your time whining about it. I guarantee you’re broke”
Empathy…nay…projection…you see the comments as “whining” (so you “wasted” your time reading them apparently), and your comment has a similar characteristic, so that must mean you’re broke.
“I would bet 100k”
Why do you feel the need to “validate” to people you feel are whining that you have 100K…..Hey Einstein….I have a mansion and a yacht, and have 12 digits in the bank….and my financial “validation” are as “documented” as yours….the only difference is that I am the creator of microsoft.com ….da da dat da da….In the world of IM, I’m king!
“you’d have a pot to piss in”
I live in Toronto Cambodia, not in the Georgia wilderness banjo boy….I don’t piss in no damn pots, we have inside plumbing…suck on that…
Thank you for viewing my comment….
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“SlobberNet ERASED THE COOKIES of many of its original affiliates after the first launch, thus stealing who knows how much money from them in the process.”
Now it all makes sense.
I promoted th heck out of stomping the search engines 2. And had over 300 clicks.
But made ZERO sales. Nothing. Nada.
Now I know why.
I couldn’t believe I didn’t make ONE sale with all that promoting and all those clickthroughs.
I’ve had enough of ‘gurus’.
Or should that be ‘gorus’? (In my language that means ‘cows’).
I’m really pissed off now.
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Hey, looks like Andy’s at it again… “Video Boss”… And from the number of affiliate promotion emails hitting my Inbox, it looks like some of ‘em never learn.
Oh, and it’s already sold out. Darn (NOT!), I missed it.
Just click on the website link above… Thought Andy might appreciate a bit of link love after all the abuse you’ve been heaping on him…
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Zoot Reply:
February 17th, 2010 at 2:28 am
Next month after folks start getting their credit card statements, they might be calling it, “VIDEO LOSS.”
Ain’t nothin’ new under that sun…except a big, expensive price tag.
Hope people have “REFUND DEADLINE” prominently marked on their calendars…
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Brad promotes Andy … how adorable … and completely fucking corrupt.
Subject {lame!}: if you’ve been waiting to see the bonus that WE’RE giving for Video Boss…
wait no longer.
The guys at NYU Film School are probably not real
happy right now that Andy Jenkins has condensed…
….4 years of their top-shelf program (probably
cost a cool quarter-million dollars today)
… plus 18 years of real-world film editing,
… and 8 or 9 years of being the Top Dog in Online Video
… and “out front” with every possible profit generating tool
and marketing technique available
…into what amounts to a Masters Degree that you can
get in about 8 or 10 weeks.
I’ve worked pretty closely with Andy for a long time, and there’s
no doubt that he’s the best in the business right now at creating
COMPELLING video.
And COMPELLING = SALES.
If you do internet marketing, the bottom line is you MUST
do video.
It’s no longer optional.
Video continues to be an insane profit multiplier and if you
aren’t using it properly and well, someone in your market is
going to come in and blow you out of the water (didya see
Andy’s 2nd video?)
If you followed all of Andy’s videos you know that even simple
‘ghetto’ videos help traffic and conversion and EVERYTHING
related to your online presence (and if you haven’t watched
them haven’t go download them NOW to make sure you have
them). And he’s opening up at 4pm Eastern.
Andy says it the best: Video Gets More Money.
It’s really that simple.
Guys like Jeff Walker and Frank Kern know that – they
tapped Andy to build sales videos for multi-million
dollar launches.
But what most people DON’T know about Andy is
that he truly loves to TEACH.
And when he does, he likes to over-deliver.
I think that sums up Video Boss nicely.
Even though Andy will be delivering all the course
materials in about 9 weeks, you’ll have 6 months to
get through it all.
The Stomper “Safety Net” Bonus
We know from our experience teaching video distribution
and syndication that one of the biggest inhibitors to success
is just getting started.
Here’s how we fix that with your Stomper “Safety Net” Bonus.
In addition to 6 months of StomperNet membership (more
on that below), we’re going to provide each purchaser of
Video Boss that buys through our link and doesn’t refund
within the 30 days the following:
* Gold Traffic Geyser “Done For You” Profile Setup -
for free – this means creating your profile with 40+ video
sites and 30+ article sites will all be setup for you by the
Traffic Geyser folks (if you’ve ever tried this before you’ll
be REALLY glad about this!)
* Then we’ll provide you with 51 additional days of
Traffic Geyser Gold membership for free to ensure
you get off on the right foot. (if you want to keep that
Gold membership beyond the 51 days, you’ll need to
purchase that on your own – but it’s worth every penny -
especially for the killer videos you’ll be making by then!)
This bonus will kick in just in time for the Traffic Boss
module when it gets to Mike Koenigs’ Guest Lecturing.
Here’s how the StomperNet Membership bonus part works.
You’ll receive the first 30 days of StomperNet Membership,
including StomperTools, just for TRYING Video Boss.
If you stay in the Video Boss program and make all your
payments, you’ll get 5 more months of StomperNet
membership including all the Stomper Tools for free.
So, between the StomperNet 6 months of membership and the
Traffic Geyser Profile Setup and free Gold membership, this
bonus is worth almost $1500.
I also want to take this opportunity for you to get a taste for
how the StomperTools will help you out in your quest to be a
“Boss” (or maybe just get a few good videos out there).
A couple examples of the amazing StomperTools in action:
Market Samurai – when Dan Thies and Leslie Rohde
do their SEO module for Video Boss, you’ll be ready with
your free, full version copy of Market Samurai – the best
keyword product on the market. (you’ll also have access
to hundreds of hours of additional SEO training inside
StomperNet – a lot of it from Dan and Leslie themselves)
ArticleQast – one of the key strategies you’ll be getting
is how to take your video transcripts and post them as
articles.You’ll be ahead of the game because you’ll be able
to post to our network of almost 20,000 sites that are
hungry for articles to publish. This will create the backlinks
you need for ranking and traffic.
There are 9 other Stomper Tools that will cost you nothing to
deploy and use during your 6 month Bonus Membership…all of
them to help you create more traffic, convert more customers,
and make more money.
So, if you’re giving Video Boss a long look (and you should be),
remember that the Stomper “Safety Net” Bonus is the perfect
complement. I encourage you to check it out now.
Best regards,
Brad
PS And if somehow you haven’t seen Andy’s Video Boss
tutorials, don’t waste another minute – go get them.
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Frank {manufactured celebrity} Kern’s Video Boss affiliate email …
I’m sure you know that Video Boss is going
live tomorrow. (I sent you a few of the excellent
prelaunch videos last week.)
What I haven’t mentioned to you is that
I GIVE THIS MY HIGHEST POSSIBLE
ENDORSEMENT.
There’s absolutely ZERO doubt that video
gets more money than anything else, period.
Think about it …EVERY “blockbuster” promotion
we’ve seen in the Internet Marketing community
for the past FOUR YEARS has been almost
ENTIRELY fueled by video.
This should be obvious, right?
But there’s another huge benefit to video that
most people overlook.
And it’s that VIDEO IS LIKE A BILLION
TIMES FASTER AND EASIER THAN
WRITING A SALES LETTER!
Serioulsy, right? I mean who wants to sit
around agonizing over a sales letter for
days when you can just crank out a “ghetto” video
in 20 minutes or so and be off to the races?
As a matter of fact, my last “ghetto” video
promo brought in over $103,950.00 …of
residual income …and I made the video
in 20 minutes while I was waiting on my cousin
to set up the X-Box in our office.
And that was just a regular ol’ “one off” campaign.
…No affiliates, no launch, nothin’.
Because of video, I was able to quickly take
an idea and turn it into money FAST.
(If I’d have tried to write a sales letter or something,
I’d still be agonizing over it today and I wouldn’t
even have time to write this email.)
SO WHAT’S THE POINT??
It’s this: Video Boss has my highest possible
endorsement.
You and I both know you gotta have video
…and it’s obvious that Andy’s an incredible teacher.
(The quality of the free stuff he’s released this week
is outstanding …but wait’ll you see the actual product.
It’s truly revolutionary.)
Anyway – I feel so strongly about this that I’ve
decided to give a copy of my super- rare
CROWD CONTROL course to EVERYONE
who get’s Video Boss.
(Even if you don’t get it through my link. Im just
going to hook you up to be cool. Why not, you know?)
BUT IT GETS BETTER.
If you actually buy through my link, I’ll also give you
my brand-new product called “Operation Video Black Box”
that’s NEVER been released before.
This brand new product takes you behind the scenes
of my most successful video campaigns from the
past two years and reveals:
· How you can “manufacture celebrity” in ANY market to
command high prices. (Probably the single biggest secret
to my success.)
· The psychological “End Game” method that creates an
INSTANT BOND with your viewers …so they’ll want to
buy fom you even when you’re not pitching.
· The “Giveaway Cash Magnet” that gets you sales …even though
you’re giving stuff away and not actually pitching.
· GHETTO NLP tricks that get sales the easy way.
(Note: I call this “GHETTO NLP” because I don’t know
“real” or “formal” NLP. This is more like a super
under-the-radar sales strategy as opposed to actual
“acedemic” NLP.)
…So in a nutshell, this is a course that’s specifically dedicated to
ADVANCED SELLING STRATEGIES for video.
It’s very heavy on the PSYCHOLOGY of selling in video and
is specifically geared toward people who want to use
video to SELL things …without relying on special effects
or any techie stuff.
It also includes a swipe file of 15 of my best “Money-Getting”
videos …sorted by category …so you can SWIPE all the coolness
from them and use it in your business.
NONE OF THIS STUFF HAS EVER BEEN
REVEALED, EVER.
(Actually, I did explain the “Celebrity Manufacturing” technique
to ONE person who paid me $9,700 for a meeting. He said he
got MORE than his money’s worth.)
So …this is a damn good bonus if I do say so myself.
And if it sounds good to you, HERE’S WHAT I WANT YOU
TO DO NEXT:
Go watch Andy’s newest video that was just released a few
hours ago here:
http://www.thevideoboss.com/finale
If it sounds like something that’s a good fit for your
business, get on the early bird list.
It officially goes live tomorrow at 1PM PST and as you’ve
obviously noticed, everyone in the community is promoting
it.
Talk soon,
Frank
P.S. As I’m typing this, Andy’s latest video has just hit
#1 on Alexa’s “Hot Pages” …meaning it’s the most visited
web page in the WORLD among Alexa users …and it’s
even beating Jay Z!
THAT PRETTY MUCH PROVES THE POWER OF
A GOOD VIDEO RIGHT THERE, EH?
So go check this out …it’s the hottest video on Alexa
right now. (Talk about good timing!)
http://www.thevideoboss.com/finale
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Sheepson id#43 Reply:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Sheepson’s Video Boss Affiliate Email {just mailed to my list today}
RE: LAST CHANCE TO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS
Alright pussies, I warned you my buddy Leeroy Jenkins, I mean
Andy Jenkins, was about to sell out.
Here’s the good news, he’s a total sell out!
That’s right, a fine arts degree from a Prestigious University
and instead of making anything artistic or rewarding,
he’s totally sold out his integrity, ethics, artisticness, soul, and Video Boss course.
But don’t worry, I called up Look Before You Leap Leeroy this morning and
got him to set aside 24 extra units for my subscribers only!
So here’s the deal, Leeroy Boy has totally sold out – but you can still learn to be a sell out loser directly from him if you act fast…
Here’s what you need to know:
1. Andy’s Net Effect Magazine had over 7,000 Customer Complaints in the first 30 days! That’s a internet record no one has even come close to.
2. Andy defrauded his affiliates of their commissions to the tune of just under over $1 million Dollars! Have you ever ripped off your partners for anything close to a million bucks? We all have so much to learn from this man…
3. Andy’s brainchild Stompernet crashed and burned and is now broiled in legal battles over who is responsible for it’s massive debts. You want to learn business saavy? No one can teach you how to ruin a business faster and more completely than Jenkins himself.
4. Andy’s Formula Five… Potentially one of the greatest Frauducts of all time… Andy is so talented in his ability to deliver bullshit out his mouth that he used the fact Cisco applied Formula Five and lost half it’s net value in under one year – as a selling point!
No one is an expert like Andy is an Expert.
You want to learn to bold face Lie? Get Video Boss
You want to learn to cheat your customers? Get Video Boss
You want to learn mislead, misrepresent, and misinterpret data? Get Video Boss…
I am not kidding around here assholes. Andy is a total sell out, he has not one shred of integrity (or units) left. You can only get them through my special link – Units that is, there is no way to ever get his integrity back, that’s sold out for good…
Seriously friends, Cisco used Formula Five to loose half it’s value in a matter of months.
Only Andy “Leeroy” Jenkins could turn a massive defeat like that into a sales point for his flagship Formula Five Product…
Add to that – 7,000 customer complaints out of 12,000 customers! 5,000 full refund requests! Almost half of everyone who bought the Net Effect requested a full refund! Can imagine what it would be like if half your customers requested a full refund?
With numbers like that Andy is the undisputed king of fraudulent Internet Marketing… The gold standard and it doesn’t get any better than that!
So if you are serious about charging a fortune, disappointing your customers, ruining your reputation, and then doing it over and over, then GET VIDEO BOSS now!!!
This is your last chance…
Disclaimer: I get paid 70% of your fees!!! Fuck Yeah I do! And the FTC requires me to tell you based on historical results You should:
1. Expect to be disappointed by this product
2. Expect to be disappointed in the Service
3. Expect all the promises to be broken
4. Expect shipping, fulfillment, delivery and customer service to be non-existent or at best “Unacceptable”
5. Expect to billed one extra time after you cancel
6. Expect your business to crumble if you follow anything Jenkins says or does
7. Expect Your reputation to be dragged through the mud and ruined by your disappointed clients
8. Expect more products and empty promises in the future
9. Expect it all to be someone else’s fault, Not Andy’s – it’s never Andy’s fault – he’s a fucking victim… You learn how to play the victim, from the king of the artful dodge himself…
And that’s those are just the normal results! Top affiliates can expect even worse results!
So don’t delay… If you wanna sell-out your integrity, ethics, and good sense – LEARN FROM THE BEST – GET VIDEO BOSS NOW!
http://www.thevideoboss.com/finale
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Bart Reply:
February 17th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Thanks for the excellent translation, Sheepson!
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I discovered the Salty Droid tonight, I have been reading for 3 hours so far. I’m speechless about Brad Fallon. I had him pegged as an seo wunderkind, while Andy had the slight ego problem. Suing his wife … unbelievable. Speechless … the truth is he is a deadbeat who takes credit for the accomplishments of his wife, and other seo experts. Can’t believe it.
The cynicism of the Syndicate (Andy/Walker call, Kern’s confession video) is breathtaking … staggering.
Now that Brad has Stompernet to himself I guess it’s just a matter of time.
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