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Sundog said:
Interestingly enough, that sales page has suddenly been taken down :D It was still up on August 19th, and, I imagine, before this post was written. I remember being SHOCKED when they endorsed Frank Kern. Even if they thought the product was good (hypothetically,) they must have known what a predatory fuckhead he was. For shame.
Here’s the cached version of the link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kiyFMGwu7WwJ:www.copyblogger.com/mass-control-2/+http://www.copyblogger.com/mass-control-2/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
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SD Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
@Sundog ::
It came down less than 15 minutes after this post went up.
Here’s a yucky taste …
“Frank Kern’s Mass Control 2.0 goes on sale at Noon Central Monday, February 16th (1:00 PM Eastern, 10:00 AM Pacific), and, like last time, it will absolutely sell out quickly. At last count there were something like 66,000 people on the waiting list, and from our tracking stats, a couple thousand of those people are Copyblogger readers.
I had a hunch that some of you would connect with Kern, but it’s always hard to tell. You see, I’m the first (and only) “blogger” that Frank has ever allowed to promote his stuff, so this was really a test for both of us…
When I told our own Sonia Simone about the JV deal, she revealed something I hadn’t known before. Turns out Sonia invested in the previous version of Mass Control last year.
I asked her if Mass Control had anything to do with her quantum leap in online marketing skills and confidence. Her response was typical Sonia:
Duh, dummy… of course it did. Mass Control pretty much tied it all together for me.
Nice. So much for me being her one and only Yoda.
Oh well.
I had my own similar moment back in 2005. For me, it was Jeff Walker’s Product Launch Formula that tied it all together. Seems like everyone who succeeds online has a turning point they vividly remember.
So anyway, I asked Sonia if she had anything she wanted to share with Copyblogger readers who, like her, invested in Mass Control. And boy did she ever.”
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Joe Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 12:35 am
@SD, It sounds like Brian Clark hadn’t even gone through “Mass Control.” Like so many others, it appears he was hawking something to his trusting readers just for the money.
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Rezbi Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
@SD, Hmmm.
If that’s the case I wonder where that leaves third tribe marketing.
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Can't Say Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 6:43 am
@Sundog,
I used to be an avid reader of Copyblogger, until I noticed he jumped shark and started hawking shit. He gave away a free report (no strings attached!) and I knew it was the info-marketing beginning.
I grew sad.
Especially after I read the comments from his free report claiming how ingenious he is for doing it or free. What a brilliant idea! He got a lot of new people suckered into the email list and repeatedly buying things they didn’t need for things they thought they wanted.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +5
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Martypants Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
@Can’t Say, I actually still am an avid scanner/reader of Copyblogger, with more scanning since they started more aggresively on the sales part of their stuff. Like you, I too, grew sad.
But I will defend the fact that there is a mountain of free, solid content in the archives about web copywriting and copywriting in general that Clark wrote that is (and will likely eternally remain) spot-on. It is unfair to not account for the fact that he did start by offering a TON of really solid info for free. It is this very content that creates the traffic stream that leads to trust that they now manipulate.
I am disappointed to see them take advantage of their position – but recognize it is theirs to do with as they please. They chose sides in where to take it, and as can’t say so aptly summed it: I am sad.
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SD Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
@Martypants ::
I wouldn’t say I really “grew sad” about it. I think copyblogger sucks ass … and that is what I’ve thought since the first time I laid eyes on it {long before this fake robot existed}. They feed the delusions … they farm praise … and they profit from it. The writing is useless … and the personalities toxic.
Everyone offers a “ton of solid free content” … that’s the game. You pretend like you’re giving it away … but “giving” has NOTHING to do with what you’re doing.
Plus fuck Brian’s “content” … just buy some old masters at the book store. He obviously doesn’t have anything new to add since in the new-school part of his biz … he hitched his wagons to the biggest band of thug idiots ever assembled on the web. He’s either heartless or clueless.
They aren’t taking advantage of “their position” … they are taking advantage of PEOPLE.
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Martypants Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
@SD, Well stated, droid. I gotta stand behind what I said though, to each his own when it comes down to quality judgements. But I do absolutely defer to your collection of facts and insights here.
The links and comments in this thread really showed me that I was being pretty naive or at least forgiving about a lot of stuff. Turning a blind eye to it doesn’t make it go away. And ultimately you’re right: it’s people. Soilent Green and Twilight Zone episodes really have nothing on these guys.
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# 11 September 2010 at 8:51 pm

Irwin said:
But … they’re sooo rich… and sooo smart. It says so on the interwebby.
http://www.blogtyrant.com/the-3-reasons-why-darren-rowse-jeremy-schoemaker-brian-clark-are-rich/
Me knows webby no lie.
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# 11 September 2010 at 9:12 pm

Frank said:
Oh, such a timely, welcome post!
Brian Clark. Copyblogger. Two phrases that make me gag when used separately or together. Brian is a copy god (and if you don’t believe that, ask HIM). Consider this a nomination for “arrogant of the year/decade.”
Hey Brian, remember when you were shilling for James Brausch’s MAGIC COPYWRITING SOFTWARE (Glyphius, yo!) back when your blog wasn’t mostly time wasting “guest post filler?” Well, I do! I consider James Brausch a craftier version of Harlan Kilstein, and it was obvious back then. Did you enjoy that snuggle with him?
Just look at Copyblogger. How many vapid articles can you post about “7 ways to” or “9 ways to” or “4 ways to.” I’m waiting for “8 ways to post articles about 5 ways to post articles.” The meat (or reconsituted soup) from that bone has long since become a redundant rehash.
The public would be well advised to read a book or two on copywriting and avoid that candy-coated fluffery (and his sales funnel).
If Carl Marx were alive, he might add Copyblogger to the list of “opiates of the masses.”
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SD Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
@Frank ::
8 ways to post articles about 5 ways to post articles …
1. Start with the numbers. Make sure you don’t miss any. People who forget about the number five can’t be trusted.
2. Use our advanced pay version of spell check. Pay spell checkers work better … anyone with an Alexa rank above 100k knows that.
3. Pants are optional.
4. Include at least one reference to kitties. NOT adult cats! Full grown cats a passé
6. Oh fuck I forgot five.
7. Once you’ve posted your article … ask other people to link to it. Remember that it’s not actually an interesting article. If you aren’t willing to give a couple of hand-jobs … then no one is gonna read it.
8. Buy Mass Control 2 NOW … I wanted your fucking money seven steps ago!
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Update Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
But what about the people who previously bought James Brausch’s(*) software based on Brian Clark’s original (now deleted!) glowing review? (He earned a commission promoting it.)
——————————————
http://www.copyblogger.com/why-creativity-can-kill-your-copy/
Glyphius Copywriting Software Review
by Brian Clark · 69 Comments
“I no longer recommend the Glyphius copywriting software. Proceed at your own risk.”
——————————————
Original review which Brian Clark deleted:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080205004557/http://www.copyblogger.com/why-creativity-can-kill-your-copy/
(*)James Brausch background sampler:
http://entrepreneurs.about.com/b/2008/06/25/james-d-brausch-glyphius-and-shilling.htm
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/10/douche-of-the-day-diego-nortejames-brausch/
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# 11 September 2010 at 9:19 pm

Oink said:
Comment under that copyblogger post:
Commenter: “I’d like to see a network of “Copyblogger Media Approved” contractors that businesses can hire to do content marketing/copywriting.”
Brian Clark response: “…we’ve been talking about that internally for a while…”
WTF? I’d just as soon volunteer to have “medical leeches” applied to my face.
Amazing that some segment of the public has been trained to WANT even more toll booths and money takers on the internet.
Sell the fantasy AND collect a commission? Sounds great, for BRIAN CLARK.
“Copyblogger Media Approved?” Please. If I filtered out anybody, it would be anyone who even mentioned copyblogger.
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# 11 September 2010 at 9:47 pm

J.T. said:
Brian Clark said:
“What About Chris Pearson and Thesis?
Things change. Chris and I have parted ways, and we’re both happy with this mutual decision. We at Copyblogger Media wish Chris and DIY Themes all the best with future endeavours.”
Sure you do, Brian. I bet Chris is a LOT happier with that “mutual” decision! Glad HE wasn’t assimilated.
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# 12 September 2010 at 12:48 am

Ivor Bigun said:
I used to read Copyblogger way back I had long shaggy white hair and used to bleat in the morning. I was always under the impression that Brian Clark was the “genius” behind Thesis. Just shows that was yet more smokescreen and more smoke being blown up the collective ass of the interwebs.
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SD Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
@Ivor Bigun ::
Not only is he not a Thesis “genius” … but I don’t see how he’s ever done ANYTHING note worthy or interesting. Blogs about blogs aren’t blogs … they’re just stupid.
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Duff Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
@SD,
I’ve purchased Thesis. It’s kinda like WordPress (well, it basically is WP), except harder to use and understand, and proprietary instead of open-source.
Some people clearly dig it, and at least it’s reasonably priced, but it doesn’t really do much for me.
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Bohica Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 10:30 am
@SD & Duff…
Here’s my problem with Thesis, Genesis and all the other “frameworks” – and heck, even WordPress itself.
The WordPress platform was designed to make it easy to launch a website (well, a blog), even if you don’t know how to write a line of html code.
Once you install it you enter the mystifying and confusing world of plugins, themes and other horseshit (mostly free, mostly worthless), that help “enhance” your new site. So naturally you install some, and do some googling for better stuff in the hopes that your blog will look super cool with all the uber gizmos so you can post pictures of Mr. Whiskers and talk about hunting unicorns.
THEN in the midst of your searching, you find out about DIY Themes and StudioPress and others. They convince you it will take your blog “to the next level” and allow unlimited customization (by adding layer upon layer of custom php code and stylesheets).
Naturally, you buy one of these “parent themes” and install it – adding yet another layer of complexity to a system that isn’t supposed to require any coding in the first place!
Once you get all that configured (before even making a single post), you now have 3 different categories of techie shit to keep updated.
WordPress will tell you via an annoying bar at the top of your screen that you need to upgrade to the latest version, then you need to keep your plugins updated… and now a framework that requires constant maintenance?
(What DIY/Studiopress don’t tell you is that their shit is pretty much unusable if you don’t know how to write php code for their hooks and crap. I mean sure, you can have a generic blog set up in minutes with thesis thrown overtop, but it’s gonna look exactly like the other 5,000 thesis blogs out there and what’s the fun in that? How will that help Mr. Whiskers stand out? HUH?!)
What’s missing here? Oh yeah… the CONTENT.
Your blog is worth just about fuck all without good writing. If you focus all your time on all the behind the scenes shit required to make your blog look cool, you’re missing out on the most important part.
Your message.
Videos, photos, layouts, coding… all that shit doesn’t mean a damn thing if you don’t have something interesting to say.
What’s the solution? We need to go back to basics. Focus on the message, people.
Salty, you’ve done a damn good job focusing your message on the scam/fraud crowd. It’s not easy work keeping all the moving parts together and taking heat from the community, so I offer you a slow clap “well done”.
For others that want to get into this “blogging thing”, my advice is to stick with the basics and focus on your message – not the medium.
-bohica
(bend over here it comes again)
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Duff Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
@Bohica,
I basically agree with all of the above. If you want a non-technical blog, try Blogger or WordPress.com, but then you don’t own the domain. WordPress at least installs very easily, but customization takes a very significant investment in learning PHP, HTML, and WP itself. Each solution I’ve seen to make WP easier makes it harder, IMHO.
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Carlon Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
@Duff, I love WordPress. It’s a lot easier now than it used to be. A lot of people who don’t know anything about PHP, HTML, etc. can do fine with WordPress. And owning the domain is the biggest plus.
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Bohica Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 10:15 am
@Duff,
Agreed. Hosting a WP site on your own domain has many benefits.
When you add layers of complexity upon what is supposed to be a simple solution, the inevitable happens… it gets more complex. (duh)
I’m no stranger to coding, and can sling php and javascript with the best of them.
The problem with WordPress and these Parent themes is when I’m using them, I see WordPress instead of what I should be seeing, which is the content.
Perhaps I’m chasing rainbows, but the ideal “system” would be one that is transparent – that you don’t even know you’re using it yet you’re creating beautiful shit that people visit often and… wait for it… perhaps even buy something!
Many have tried to accomplish this simple elegance, and everyone has failed so far.
Shopify and Tumblr are close – maybe even glancing at greatness. But for every app like that there are the Joomlas, Drupal, WP, Concrete and other CMS’es that have become overly complex due to their open source nature an the collaborative effort of stuffing features/functions into what should be well-executed simplicity.
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SD Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
I can’t believe you people are dissing on WordPress! It’s like complexity formed out of nothing in defiance of the universe … served up to you free of charge. What more do you want?
A str8 up wordpress install is several times easier than getting a library card … but then you can add as much complexity as you want if you can handle the flames. It rules! You all go to the devil.

Duff Reply:
September 15th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
@Bohica,
I’m 90% a fan of WP. But supposed WP improvements are not usually improvements IMHO.
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# 12 September 2010 at 2:37 am

mikefilsaimeinder said:
got this email from jenkins, now they are working with total criminals, yeah this guy is no longer doing the boiler room pump and dump because he is banned from stock market by sec so now he is going to setup a boiler room to scam people with internet marketing products in partnership with Frank Ken, that Jenkins promotes him for Kern tells you everything you need to nkow about the syndicate, they work with felons, you know there will be no calls or questions answered on this “webinar”:
About a year ago I read this book on my Kindle:
“The Wolf of Wall Street”
http://www.amazon.com/Wolf-Wall-Street-Jordan-Belfort/dp/0553805460
It’s a true story of a man named Jordan Belfort – who became notorious in the 1990′s for creating a stock brokerage firm called Stratton Oakmont – where he created one of the most successful Boiler Room call centers in the history of the business.
In fact, the feature film “Boiler Room” was loosely based on his company.
If you saw that film, you know what happened next: In 1998 Jordan was indicted for securities fraud, and spent 22 months in minimum security jail.
His cell mate was none other than Tommy Chong – from Cheech and Chong Fame. Heh.
After he was released, he completely turned his life around – and I mean COMPLETELY.
He’s become a best selling author, motivational speaker, and consultant for companies like Sony, Virgin International, etc.
The positive impact he had since his highly publicized fall from grace caused a bidding war to erupt in Hollywood over the rights to his life story.
Martin Scorsese won. And he asked Ridley Scott to direct, and Leonardo DiCaprio to star.
DiCaprio said after working with Jordan for 2 years, “He is a Motivator without Peer”.
And, I’m going to do a webinar with Jordan.
You can register here:
TIME: Tuesday, 11am Pacific – 2pm Eastern
https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/276499240
We’re going to be talking a little bit about Jordan’s life and his entrepreneurial genes. We’re also going to be talking about something called The Straight Line System – which he credits to turning his business life around.
Just a bit of warning: Jordan doesn’t pull any punches, so expect some colorful language, and adult themes – this webinar is not going to sit well for people who like to throw stones in glass houses.
Plan for about 90 minutes or so – register with GoToWebinar right here:
TIME: Tuesday, 11am Pacific – 2pm Eastern
https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/276499240
I’ll talk to ya then,
Ole Cuzin Andy
P.S. I’ve never done a webinar interview with a person like Jordan before, so I honestly don’t know what to expect. This is way outside of my comfort zone.
JIM, LLC
7660-H Fay Ave. #184 La Jolla, Ca 92037 (858) 754-9827
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Genius! Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 9:27 am
@mikefilsaimeinder,
Incoming!
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Genius! Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 9:30 am
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@mikefilsaimeinder,
My god.. You actually think a guy who has done time and has a criminal history is someone who people want to take motivational advice from? Why the heck would everyone who reads this blog join that seminar? Why on earth would you put a comment here of all the places? My gaud! Brass balls Andy Brass Balls. Balls that aren’t connected to any neurons.
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mikefilsaimeinder Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 10:15 am
@Genius!, the andy jenkins address in there is just a mailbox in a ups store. he hides from everyone especially the affilaites from stompernet he owes money to. he is a crook and that is why he associated with them.
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Hubbub Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
@Genius!, you asked:
“Why the heck would everyone who reads this blog join that seminar?”
I think he was encouraging dissent…
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Chuck Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Andy Jenkins quote: “This is way outside of my comfort zone.”
Bullshit!
Just a little posturing in an attempt to anesthetize those among his flock (uh, on his list) who have a conscience and would be turned off by his latest cash grab attempt.
Look at that email. All that buildup and adulation and dark worship, and then, AT THE END, one brief, pseudo-apologetic line to get him off the hook: “this is way outside my comfort zone.”
Very manipulative!
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.nate Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 6:57 am
@mikefilsaimeinder,
Wow, that sounds nothing like Spielberg’s Catch Me If You Can depiction of Frank Abagnale Jr., former check fraudster turned FBI fraud consultant.
I can’t wait! I hope it’s in 3D!
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bob Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
@.nate, Except Frank really did turn straight and has proven it over something like 40 years.
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.nate Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
@bob,
Absolutely, not arguing that. He really does have an amazing story and I thought the movie was great. Boiler Room too, though I never knew that was based (however loosely) on real events.
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andyhair Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 8:05 am
@mikefilsaimeinder, You can tell a lot about Andy based on who he associates with, but it’s even more telling who criminals associate with once they enter the Internet marketing world.
Perry Belcher – fake supplements scam artist
Ross Goldberg – drug dealer
Stephen Pierce – stock picking fraud
And now Jordan Belfort – stock trading con artist
Somehow these criminals all gravitate to the likes of Andy Jenkins once they decide to be “Internet marketers.” Huh, I wonder why?
P.S. If you’ve ever been to a StomperNet Live event, you’ve probably been subjected to one of these “ex” criminals saying how ashamed they were of their past criminal activity, and now they’ve turned their lives around. So ashamed in fact that they go on for 5 – 10 minutes of their content-less talk to tell you about it…usually followed by Andy saying something like “I’ve been shot too!” (See Salty, when they threaten to shoot you, they just want you to be one of them).
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# 12 September 2010 at 5:16 am

DK said:
A Shit Leopard Can’t Change Its Spots
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6-6-tcHUI0
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# 12 September 2010 at 10:52 am

SyndicateExposed said:
If Jordan Belfort really was a changed man. He would not associate himself with these guys.
It’s one thing to say something but completely different to actually mean it. Watch a person’s actions not there mouth.
They only reason this guy got 2 years is because he is a very smooth talker to the majority of people.
Personally sometimes I think justice is really pathetic. This guy stole $100 million from honest investors who he still hasn’t fucking paid.
It amazing how even big corporations can be persuaded by this clown to be a consultant for them. And some people believe this guy to be cool.
White collar crime should not be glorified. This guy should be grateful he has amazing persuasion talents & still isn’t in the slammer with bubba.
If you can play with people’s mind, you can play with their money… That’s what I’ve learned on this blog.
PS. Mike Filsaime engages in forced continuity. Avoid that criminal & file for fraud with your CC company if he keeps charging you.
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mikefilsaimeinder Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
@SyndicateExposed, he is not a changed man he ran a boiler room ripping people off in the stock market now he is setting up a boiler room with frank kern to rip people off in the internet marketing crap. He is exactly the same, he just cant sell stocks thanks to his sec ban so he is moving to internet marketing what does that tell you.
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# 12 September 2010 at 11:07 am

Duff said:
I hope this is the beginning of a new trend in taking on other unicorn-marketing circles. There is more than one Syndicate-like group on the internet.
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such as? Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
@Duff,
such as?
Is copyblogger and Brian Clarke an individual involved in a syndicate?
If you know something we don’t, help!
Who are the syndicate-like groups? And who are involved with these groups?
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Uh Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
@such as?, How’s it going, Brian? You tell us.
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CC Reply:
September 16th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
@Duff, I can think of one or two. Anytime there’s a bunch of people pumping each other’s “infoproducts” with fake/vague/obviously-haven’t-used-it testimonials, when there’s a “Mini-Net” of people linking their sites to other sites, and when ANYONE sells marketing how-to…
…MiniSyndicate!
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# 12 September 2010 at 7:16 pm

the voice of reason said:
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3AM in the morning (Saturday morning!!) and you’re trolling blogs to leave incoherant insult comments? Salty super lib, I think it’s super that your parents let them use their computer after they go to bed, but sweet fuck almighty, you gotta get a life la-la-la-loooooooooooooooooser.
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# 12 September 2010 at 9:49 pm

the voice of reason said:
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By the way, fuckface, Copyblogger is a fantastic site about copywriting. It has sweet fuck all to do with Internet Marketing. The site is really awesome in terms of valuable info (no, it’s not a pitch fest for courses, dick head.
Actually, I owe a debt of gratitude copyblogger (moreso than just because his posts are so useful). That post mentioned above–the one mentioning Kern’s reissue of Mass Control turned me on to being able to get any business/self help program ever made in less than 10 minutes.
Prior to the copyblogger mention, I never heard of Frank Kern, but was very interested in copywriting. So, I clicked on it, and was blown away by the cost (it was also my first exposure to the $2K courses. No way was I going to pay that much. So, I checked ebay, and a guy was selling it for $100. Hey, why not. Turns out though, the ebay seller was a moron hawking shit that would make even the gurus blush. All I got for my $100 was a link to a torrent site, where I could download. After contacting ebay and getting the sale cancelled (and the guy banned from Ebay), I downloaded mass control. This was also my first exposure to torrents. In the comments of the mass control up, someone mentioned what is truly the most astonishing collection of sites imaginable. No hodge podge music/movies/games and shit. Just pure categorized business programs. No dupes, just one course after another. 26,000+ courses. Including every single thing ever released by these gurus. And I mean EVERY SINGLE ONE. Usually posted within days of their release. Absoltuely life changing sites.
If it hadn’t been for that copyblogger post, I would still be buying products from nightingale conant. Who knows, I may even have paid for a guru course. So lay off, fuckstain super lib. The guy changed my life.
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where is the ignore feature? Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 7:02 am
@the voice of reason, damn you’re annoying. You used to be slightly entertaining, but lately you’ve become just annoying, making yourself look like a fool. We’ve known about torrents since years. You’re just slow.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +5
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# 12 September 2010 at 10:02 pm

SD (author) said:
After deleting the shameless sales post I linked to … Brian and Sonia … super brave speech and dissent repressers … redirected to some of their own useless garbage. Totally classy move …
“We fucked our customers … now let’s hide it.”
That’s fine. I also know how to make edits and revisions.
Care to delete every post I ping you hack posers?
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Duff Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
@SD,
The whole “third tribe” concept is a false dilemma and red herring. It’s not “cool kids” vs. “internet marketing tribe”, it’s “Copyblogger and related cronies” and “Syndicate scammers” who btw, work together. The Third Tribe notion is an attempt to rewrite history, to rebrand Copyblogger and their followers as never having supported the Syndicate, when in fact they are all customers and affiliates.
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SD Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Us vs. Them {and them}
… hack.
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spoonfaceboy Reply:
September 13th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Oh would it were that I was tech savvy enough to post a link to a happyhappyjoyjoy copyblooger rules web page AND THEN . . .
Dun Dun Duuuun
pull the ol’ switcheroo once me post got approved and point the sheeps back to hereabouts and to the cached page of the mass control peddle page.
Oh wait. I am just that tech savvy.
Oh would it were that I was that devious.
Oh wait. I am just that devious.
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# 13 September 2010 at 4:33 pm

Revisionist History said:
Looks like Brian Clark is going all out to hide or delete his previous affiliate tracks for some of his syndicate buddies.
Here’s his NOW DELETED post for Jeff Walker where he offers his own little cartel of bonuses if you buy through him:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZHRcJR7Kbm0J:www.copyblogger.com/has-jeff-walker-gone-nuts/+%22jeff+walker%22+site:copyblogger.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
See what’s there now:
http://www.copyblogger.com/has-jeff-walker-gone-nuts/
Honestly, how many bloggers of any caliber totally DELETE blog posts? Almost nobody does that! They might add a new post with additional info, but RARELY IF EVER does anyone entirely DELETE old posts.
The fact that Brian Clark is doing that should say a LOT!
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Luke Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 5:25 am
@Revisionist History,
If they simply said, “we screwed up” in regards to promoting “the syndicate” they’d be a lot better off.
How often have you seen someone say that?
ZERO that I count. Primarily because even if a person realizes what they did and decide to never promote it again, they are too fearful of retribution from the “big boys club”.
I’m very glad to see though that some people in IM have distanced themselves from that group. Michel Fortin for example, actually linked to the SD Syndicate post- that took some brass balls from a guy who has been in the IM game for a long time. Then again- he actually possesses a skill set beyond standing on a stange and yelling “give me your MF’ing moneeee!!”
Even if I truly found a syndicate product valuable, I couldn’t promote it knowing that anyone who bought would then be added to email lists where a literal shit train of promotion would be directed at them.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 9:49 am
@Revisionist History,
It’s pretty obvious that the Droid invasion has prompted a little clean-up, but those posts should have been deleted anyway, whenever the “oh noes buy it now before we run out of digits” offers expired.
If this is a “cover up” then you’d never see Copyblogger promote these products again… Anyone want to place a bet on that happening?
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SD Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
@Unicorn Army ::
Many/most “cover ups” are about preserving and protecting the conditions which allow the crime to continue.
Deleting posts when you write about writing = so ghetto! I have zero respect for copyblogger … but I’m still kinda surprised.
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# 13 September 2010 at 10:50 pm

SD (author) said:
Question: “Care to delete every post I ping you hack posers?”
Answer {apparently}: “Yes. Yes we would.”
Fine.
Third time’s a charm?
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# 14 September 2010 at 1:45 am

Sundog said:
At the risk of being totally naive, maybe you’ve embarrassed them into reforming – I won’t hold my breath.
I liked them so much before they starting supporting Frank Kern/Jeff Walker scam products and running crappy, rehashed guest posts 5 days a week.
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SD Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
@Sundog ::
You aren’t being naive … they ARE going to reform.
Brian and Sonia did much to promote The Syndicate and its sales funnel of doom and gloom.
1. They aren’t going to do that anymore.
2. They are going to apologize to their customers … and try to undo some of the damage they’ve done by telling the truth about the matter.
Anything less than that … and me suspects that things might escalate … like things tend to do.
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The Universe Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
+1
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dvs Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
@SD, Is it inappropriate for a heterosexual man to have a crush on a droid that is really a man who is also presumably heterosexual?
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Anonymous Reply:
September 15th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
@dvs, why not? Pat O’bryan seems to have a crush on the droid too.
  +3
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Blight Reply:
September 15th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
@, Yes, but wasn’t dvs talking about heterosexuals?
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Anonymous Reply:
September 15th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
@Blight, when Pat is not with his wifey, Joe Vitale, he likes to look for the droid at cuddle parties.
  +2
# 14 September 2010 at 10:03 am

Dexter said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Alright I finally had to chime in here.
Like me I feel like this Droid Dude is fucking cool.
At least i think i’m cool but I actually only interact
with human beings about once a month on my trip
to the grocery store and the occasional trip out of
town when somebody thinks i’m cool enough to consult
with them.
I’ve got to be honest Droid.
You rule. You’re much balsier then I am and You’ve
inspired me to take my “Game” to an entirely new
level.
Speaking of comments.
We’ve recently been Kicked to the Virtual Curb over at our
Site three times and of course we were given the lame excuse
that we were a bit too “On the edge” with stories about
such things as strippers and Nerd2 getting his Ball Sack
painted black with a sharpie.
I mean come on it’s better then the boring shit we keep
getting spoon fed from the Guru’s!
So that i’m not a complete Ass Kisser to the metal cheeks of
the All Knowing Droids Hinie I need to come clean.
Because I’ve been in business for 20 something years I see
value in much of what these Guru’s are doing.
Just don’t see the necessity of “Holy Shit that new shiny
object I sold you 3 months ago for $4,345 is now almost obsolete
but today I’ve got the NEW shiny object and because you
bought that one I’ll “Give it” to you for just $2,133″
Of course they are praying on the Opportunity Info Mongers and there
is a lesson to be learned in self accountability here as well.
With that said I do think you are the coolest droid to walk this
planet.
Robin Hood in Tin and with Wheels. Who knew?
Maybe Brian allows your next comment in.
Your loud, foul mouth, and short stubby legs should be allowed to
speak your mind.
After all if all we have in this world is Ass Kissing and
bonding only with those that like us then WTF do we really
have.
Come on Brian…Open the doors and let the Droid in.
Debate him and challenge him to a MMA fight.
My money’s on the Droid.
He’s just too damn mean…
Dexter
MyNoteTakingNerd
LOSER!! ::   -7
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# 14 September 2010 at 1:45 pm

SyndicateExposed said:
@Dexter,
It’s true that self-accountability is a big part in being protected financially in any business or purchasing transaction in life.
I hear that 80-95% of people will lose money in business – whether it is stocks, real estate, currency trading, or any other type of business/investing.
I guess the majority of people will lose their money in other ways besides being scammed.
I know it’s sounds blunt but I am justing stating statistics. Over a lifetime the majority of people will eventually lose their money in some way OR have just a average amount of savings left for themselves.
But the Droid, I believe is NOT concerned with self-accountability. He’s more concerned with the Internet Marketing cartels fooling even the most smartest & intelligent person from getting themselves in financial trouble regardless of how much self-accountability they may have such as hard work, talents, skills, planning, influencing & persuasion abilities or leadership abilities.
Self-accountability is only the to blame as long as a person is well-informed about exactly what they are getting themselves into.
There is not enough proper information about the type of business these internet marketing cartel guys are. And without proper unbiased information, anyone can be brainwashed and duped into a scam.
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Dexter Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
@SyndicateExposed, Although I agree with you in principle and understand you argument.
I still am a believer in being fully accountable for our lives.
That being said I think the fault lies in Non-Disclosure and things the average consumer could never find out.
Case in point is the expose The Droid did on Ryan’s latest Traffic course.
Had i read and just believed the Hyperbobble then I’d think he had a trillion backlinks, dominated PPC, etc.. but after seeing the truth the droid exposed I almost Poopied my nerdy little pants.
That’s the type of crap that’s not monitored on this Net World we live in.
So there in lies the need for Super Droid’s to inform us.
Well thought out comment and made me think a bit.
I’ll get back to this conversation at a later time.
In the meantime I’m scouring the Droid to find out what i was completely unaware of prior to this moment.
  -1
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# 14 September 2010 at 3:47 pm

Dean Rankin said:
Black Hole, Son!
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# 14 September 2010 at 4:09 pm

Ryan Deiss Reality Check said:
Check this out guys, the feedback from Mr Ryan Deiss Perpetual Traffic Formula ARE IN!
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CHECK OUT THE LATEST POSTS, HAPPY CUSTOMERS LOL
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SEEMS SALTY DROID WAS RIGHT ABOUT THIS GUY
I’M POSTING THIS ALL OVER THE NET, HOPE U ENJOY MR RYAN DEISS :)
CONSUMER COMPLAINTS FORUMS ARE NEXT ON MY LIST LOL
PERRY’S OLD FRIENDS THE FTC MAY BE PAYING YOU A VISIT SOON RYAN…
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SD Reply:
September 15th, 2010 at 12:26 am
@Ryan Deiss Reality Check ::
Brian Dayton should come and say hello to me. Unlike Ryan … I’m easy to reach.
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# 14 September 2010 at 6:12 pm
» Copyblogger :: Six Figure Flogging said:
[...] “Who actually makes big money blogging?” :: says me to you over this past year.  Brian Clark … says you.  I know I’ve said this before … but god damn you’re stupid.  Brian Clark is a salesman not a blogger. Maybe he’s your favorite salesman {fuck knows why!} … but he’s still a salesman. And he’s not just selling you his own cheese dicks :: Brian Clark and Sonia Simone have been regularly capitalizing on the moral horror that is The Syndicate. Quality content :: aka writing :: isn’t what pays the bills at Brian Clark and Sonia Simone’s Copyblogger. [...]
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# 15 September 2010 at 2:40 pm

Anxiety Attacks said:
I didn’t read CopyBlogger but I have been reading ProBlogger and I felt betrayed the same way after watching Darren Rowse promote Jeff Walkers Product Launch Formula. While I understood how Darren saw this product could benefit blogging, knowing the Frank Kern connect to Jeff really put me off.
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# 5 October 2010 at 2:44 am
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# 18 October 2010 at 6:38 pm

Sarah M said:
This sounds like some crap Tom Antion was trying to pull a while back http://www.ripoffreport.com/computer-marketing-companies/tom-antion/tom-antion-tom-antion-and-asso-7e928.htm
Man I hate these bastards. I think South Park needs to do an episode about these dusche bags.
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# 25 October 2010 at 6:48 pm

Dude said:
I don’t get what gives you such a boner about these guys? I think they’re pretty clear about blogging as a way to build your business. Besides, I signed up for one of their products (which cost me about $1500) and applied the principles to my own (existing) business and made about $100k out of that investment (although not without a ton of work that still continues). So to me, anyway, I can’t figure out what the sour grapes are all about. Copyblogger has never said (or been about) just blogging any old shit and making six figures. It’s always been about blogging as a way to provide value for the reader, to build a relationship for your business.
You’ll probably delete this or people will vote it down (or accuse me of being part of the Copyblogger clan — which I’m not), but after reading everything you have to say about Brian Clark, I’m just left scratching my head. Could it be a case of just not quite tapping into what he’s all about? Just wondering.
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Reality 101 Reply:
January 10th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
@Dude, Are you for real? Of course you aren’t. No rational person could read all the posts and comments here about Brian Clark and have any respect for that asshole. He’s a total prick, and he shills for SHIT products.
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# 10 January 2011 at 5:11 am

Kern Dale Raine said:
factual.ly and watch.ly are the next big scams to come out from these guys. Brian Clarke, Dan Raine and Ed Dale are marketing it as the next big thing. Again.
When factual.ly loads (which isn’t often since they are still building it) you’ll notice that it’s a rip off of a software companies design.
These bastards are scum. Absolute scum.
  +2
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# 10 January 2011 at 7:40 am

SLT-A77 said:
természetesen, mint a web-site ugyanakkor meg kell, hogy teszteljék a helyesírás a több a hozzászólásaidat. Számos közülük elterjedt a helyesírási hibák, és azt, hogy megtalálja, hogy nagyon zavaró, hogy elmondja a valóságban mégis fogok határozottan jön vissza újra.
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# 17 November 2011 at 12:41 pm
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