Chris Brogan in Scamworld

Numbers & Consequences

Chris Brogan isn’t fond of bragging :: it’s just that bragging is what he does for a “career” so it’s become a bit of a habit … you know?

Chris wrote a post about The Verge’s Scamworld article :: from his home well inside Scamworld … because that’s how we fucking roll in Scamworld. Self-awareness is an impediment to crime-based-pseudo-success :: never forget that … but remember not to remember that you’re remembering it … or you might start feeling guilty about being such a major asshole.

The URL for the post is …

http://www.chrisbrogan.com/scamworld

… but it’s titled Why Trust Agents Did So Well.

Trust Agents is Brogan’s book about how :: um :: well … I don’t read books by stupid people … but I’m assuming that it’s prolly Jerry Maguire fan fiction.

I’m not fond of bragging. Though I can be as prideful as anyone, I just don’t see the point in it. So when I start my post with that title: Why Trust Agents Did So Well, I owe you an explanation fast.

He’s prideful :: but not for any particular reason … it’s a delicate balance.

Scamworld features nice old ladies getting fucked over by boiler rooms :: baby boomers being exploited by red neck syndicates … and a trained professional down on his luck getting taken for almost everything {including his family}. So in spite of the rock stupid syntax of that third sentence :: I guess I will be waiting for my explanation regarding the narcissistic titling … fast.

“I just finished watching this video, “Scamworld,” which goes with this huge post about bad internet marketing, false schemes, and all kinds of deception. I will first say that I didn’t read the entire post, but that I feel it’s an important one to dig into (so I’ll get it all read in the next few days). The video is a decent way to see the thrust of the concerns raised on the article:”

He didn’t read the whole thing! He sells himself as an expert on Internet Marketing :: but two weeks wasn’t long enough for him to read a feature article on a major website calling out his whole “industry” as 21st century snake oil? I guess reading is hard for Grogans like writing is hard for Gnomes.

I very much liked Danny Sullivan’s article talking about it and adding his perspective. I respect and admire Danny a lot, and when he puts his thoughts onto something fiery like the world of internet marketing, I listen.

I’m not fond of bragging :: but that was more of a retraction than an article … because people are not feeling like now is a good time to fuck with me Chris Brogan.  Yet here you are :: all fat :: and dirty :: and groganish … pasting me … the MOTHERFUCKING SALTYDROID {not to brag} … into your goddamn scam blog as a way to distance yourself from the very thing that you are.

And where the hell is my explanation about your sociopathic titling?

I believe Trust Agents sold so well because Julien and I said this, “be who you really are, connect with a community, learn how to take what you know and can do and make THAT serve you, connect people to each other, practice the art of being human, and band together to make your goals happen.”

Totally … not worth waiting for.

So Trust Agents sold well because it didn’t say :: “hey go scam the fuck out of people” … like all these other lousy get rich quick scammers are also not saying? Makes sense to me :: you imagine yourself to be not like you imagine them to be … you’re innocent via imaginary science!

The other reason Chris Brogan isn’t like the scammers being called out in the video :: by the guy whose consistently called Chris Brogan out for being a scammer … is that {like Naomi} Chris is barely getting by financially.

I am not rich. I live in a 955 square foot loft in a very small town. My television (which is plugged into a Wii and a Blu Ray player) is about 26″ across, I think. I own one car. Most of my clothes come from the Men’s Wearhouse and Target … I didn’t get rich quick.

See he’s not a scammer because now that the house of cards that copyblogging built is collapsing all around him :: he’s willing to admit that he never was successful in the first place … ipso facto … innocence … QED.

Says archetypal blogging about blogging syndicate victim Susan Steele …

The sad thing is (as someone pointed out in The Verge article’s comments section) the people who need to know this information won’t ever see it or read it.  I recently taught an intro social media class for the local community ed program and was simply astounded about what my students DIDN’T know.  We spend all day in the online world so we know what to look for — people who don’t are so susceptible to quacks.

The sad thing is Susan :: even when the people who need to know this information do see it … they aren’t always able to hear it because they’ve been slowly brainwashed by quacks.

Susan’s an introvert :: so she thinks that can be a web business … just like @Linda thought her weight loss surgery could be a web business. Because “take what you know and can do and make THAT serve you” is a fucking unicorn lie. You can turn being an introvert into a web business in the same way that you can list it on the NASDAQ … aka you can’t.

Says me :: my comment strangely printing …

So you were just going to pretend that it wasn’t me in that video … and that I hadn’t repeatedly called you and your little “circle of friends” out for similar bullshit?

Very strange choice … let me know how it works out for you.

Fun! They look bad when they don’t let my comments print :: but they look worse when they do … it’s a scammer lose lose!

Says Grogan :: utterly fucking cluelessly …

Point to a scam of mine. You might not like some of the people I spend time with, but if you’re against get rich quick types, you and I have no disagreement there.

Yep :: I don’t like the people you spend time with … but that makes sense because my whole point is that it’s all one big sick machine … and that no man {or fat chick in jodhpurs} can have success alone … because everything is about cartels :: gaming social proof … and the manipulation of group trust. You should read all about it on The Salty Droid and then maybe you’ll be better at pretending that you aren’t it.

I’ll let Copyblogger’s Jon Morrow explain it to Grogan {with a dash of help from Irwin} via video :: because I know Chris is a slow reader and I’d hate for him to feel like I’d failed to “point to a scam of his” like I so gladly agreed to do …

 

Popular bloggers aren’t self-made :: they’re appointed … by a french for trade union.

Dave Navarro knew that it was all about the french for trade union :: so he made a frauduct primarily intended to suck up to the blogging about blogging A-teamers … much like Bedros Keuilian was described as doing in The Verge story that guru Brogan didn’t have the time to read …

Whether or not he meant to, Keuilian hit upon a basic truth about how Scamworld operates. It’s by accessing the inner circle, and by working with them on your product launches, that you make money. The unconnected masses making up most of the IM community, those outsiders who create the social proof enabling the big players to rake in the profits — they don’t make a ton of money. And they definitely don’t make money through buying Internet Marketing materials.

The sales copy for Dave Navarro’s Attract More Buyers Mastermind described Brogan thusly …

Commanding a one-on-one fee of $22,000 a day, Chris Brogan knows exactly how to build massive levels of trust in his audience – and he teaches others to do the same every single day.

So I guess he only has to work a couple of days a year to afford his tiny condo and Target priced pants … curious then that fellow A-teamer Naomi Dunford would describe him as “pimping every hour god sends” … maybe pimping doesn’t count as work to Grogan.

$22,000 per day comes out to $2750 per hour :: more than five times what a top-level services professional could charge … fat Chris must really know lots of important stuff about setting up a Twitter account and stuff.

“May I pause and say something about bios? They always sound so arrogant and pompous. They are this moment in time where we’re supposed to brag about ourselves so that you think we’re worth your time.I’m worth your time. If you’re stuck having to read this to a crowd at a conference where I’m keynoting, hopefully, this will be easier.”

Hopefully that bit of not bragging will help you get over the total lack credentials listed on Chris’ about page

He has 12 years of experience in online networks, social communities, and other elements of digital business.
Oooh that sounds like something :: or nothing … one of those.
He has 16 years of enterprise telecommunications and wireless experience prior to all this.

Let me guess … installing cable boxes? Verizon retail at some shitty ass mall?

Blogged since 1998 (when it was called journaling).

So journaling since 1998 :: that must be super impressive to his 8th grade English teacher … not sure it qualifies as a resume blurb. Here’s some headers from Chris Brogan’s back in the day journaling experiences …

 

… most of them are focused on Chris getting less fat :: something he never achieved … he also didn’t achieve success in blogging about getting less fat. Just why Chris Brogan is considered and expert on using social media {or whatever the fuck} :: is a bit of a french for trade union gaming social proof mystery {the boringest of all mysteries}.

But he must be truly expert or else this would just be dumb

You know that I’m a professional speaker, and you maybe know that I charge quite handsomely for my efforts, as I put a great deal of effort, experience, and ability into my work on stage. My US speaking rate is $22,000, and I charge $30,000 overseas (plus air and hotel).

His speaking rate is the same as his one-on-one rate … that makes sense … because it’s all bullshit so why not say whatever the fuck. He didn’t “get rich quick” :: but he can charge $22,000 for what he wants … when he wants … and how he wants.

What if I said that you could book me for as little as $4650 plus air and hotel. WHAT?
Still sounds like a horrific screw job to me.
Buy 300 copies of Google+ For Business … and SHOW ME THE RECEIPT, and you can schedule me to speak at your event or corporate meeting in 2012. You must buy the copies through either 800 CEO Read, Amazon, or Barnes & Noble through the US channels ONLY to take advantage of this offer (as the goal from my side is to push sales of the book).

And there we go :: social media fake expert Chris Brogan’s one and only fucking trick … gaming social proof. People don’t want to read your dumb books :: people don’t want to read your journalings about being fat and then not fat and then fat and then not fat :: people don’t think you know anything because you never took the time to learn anything? Then cheat :: then lie … then suck on the bottom and hope you don’t get diseased.

Grogan the liar has 200,000 Twitter followers :: like Newt Gingrich has 1,000,000 followers … and like Perry Belcher had hundreds of thousands of Twitter followers

 

After years of being in the follow back :: follow spam … herd of gutter trash Twitter gamers … Chris pulled the final tweet scam lever and unfollowed everyone he’d ever followed. The implicit deal he’d struck with thousands of other desperate souls no one cares to listen to :: broken … so he could look like the sort of person who could attract 200,000 followers without relying on total bullshit meaningless tactics.

I did this primarily because I was getting crushed by direct message spam. I chose to follow that many people in the first place, because I felt that reciprocal following was polite. However, I came to realize that I wasn’t actually seeing anything that anyone was posting.

Whatever liar.

It’s with arrogant self-importance that Brogan presumes to call social media the “human digital channel” :: but his actions betray a total lack of respect for that whole “human” part. The Internet is a series of fake numbers that fake Chris can use to pad his fake resume.

Chris’ “human digital channel” no longer utilizes LinkedIn for the purposes of connecting with the “mostly larger companies” he advertises himself as servicing to the n00bs to whom he services with $22,000 photoshopped head shots. Social media for business guy dumped the biggest social media business network …

 

… after he gamed it so far beyond its intended use that it ceased to function.

Dave Navarro was right to emulate and suck up to Chris Brogan … cause he was trying to be a blogging about blogging A-team scammer. But if you have a real business :: and you don’t want to be a scammer … then you should stay way the fuck away from everything Chris Brogan says … and everything Chris Brogan does.

I’m not fond of bragging … but I just finished writing this article.

>> bleep bloop

121 thoughts on “Chris Brogan in Scamworld”

  1. Odd… The Syndicate’s response to the ScamWorld piece is anything but syndicated. The more they respond the sharper their shovels become and the deeper their hole gets. They are all over the place. Much akin to Brogan’s hair… damn dude, pick a style and be done with it already.

  2. The illusions that these red necks create are assisted by their comment sections: censored so that only the positive remains. ‘Yes men’ comment to get traffic – and don’t realise they are nothing more than scammer fodder.

    I did find one affiliate marketing site where this was not the case (that was until g edwards comments started to be sent for moderation, and never saw the light of day again)….

    http://www.affilorama.com/forum/affiliate-hangout/does-affilorama-really-work-t14056.html

    Interestingly this site also allows a mention of Salty Droid to remain on…

    http://www.affilorama.com/forum/affiliate-hangout/the-salty-droid-t10235.html

    Sounds to me a bit like some internet marketers trying to be seen as ‘good guys’ – just like all of them.

  3. In the video, Brogan contends that an inner circle has to appoint you for success to occur.

    The existence of Salty Droid demonstrates Brogan doesn’t have a clue when it comes to social media.

    Fortunately for Brogan, there are plenty of suckers who will believe him when he lies about his expertise. Like most cons, it is a numbers game.

    1. @Who appointed Salty? ::

      It’s Jon Morrow in the video not Brogan :: but yeah … I don’t recall being appointed.

      1. @SD, Morrow, in the past month, just held a webinar where he was selling $12,995 of blogging consultation for 12 months for the bargain price of $9,995, if you put down a deposit on the webinar…but only if you passed his rigorous application process. Sounded like a good idea minus a couple decimal places…

    2. @Who appointed Salty?,

      Hate to be the devil’s advocate, but doesn’t the existence of Salty Droid also kinda disprove what he’s saying? I mean, if no one appointed him, and you need to be appointed, then… What am I missing?

      1. @David Fallon,

        saltydroid.info is not a get rich quick (or even slow) scam.

        No one appointed him. It’s just a thing that happened. Of course–to a certain extent, some scammers may have started off the same. But somewhere either just before or just after they saw their first real “success” money-flood based on lies they started lying to themselves instead of coming clean or even instead of just running off with a one-time profit.

        They walked into the lie that they were experts and, instead of throwing up their hands and saying, “hey! why are all of you looking to me as if I’m some expert!?” They said, “Yup. I am an expert on this subject. Pay me lots of money and I’ll name you an expert too (for a day or a minute).” It’s win-win. Except not. It’s win for the A-team, almost total lose for the B-team, and total-mega-epic lose for the unwashed masses.

        So it goes.

        Furry cows moo and decompress.

      2. @David Fallon ::

        You’re missing that I’m not arguing that french for trade union success counts as success like Jon Marrow is.

        Fake success comes from cartel appointment. Real success comes from lots of different stuff that can’t be predicted or modeled. Gots to have skill :: luck … and timing. Things you can’t buy from Brian Clark and Naomi Dunford.

  4. I unfollowed that fucker when I ran out of lemon pledge, 2 yrs ago. PLS I am the original one here. Also my english is better now. HA@!

    1. @Way back when,

      How do you get from a dream of living sustainable lifestyle to being an Internet scam artist?

      Case of road to hell paved with good intentions?

  5. I stopped paying attention to Brogan a while back and I hadn’t realized how fat the boy had gotten. Damn dude, put down the jelly donuts! Yes, I’m fat too, so what?

  6. The whole twitter thing amazes me. It’s scummy to play the I follow you you follow me game and then dump all your followers but it’s just plain stupid to be playing that game in the first place.

    If anyone follows me that is following more than a few hundred people I usually don’t follow them unless I think they have something worth listening to. If they’re following 10,000+ people the chance that they are even going to read anything I tweet is very low so I couldn’t care less if they unfollow me.

    Even if the average person you follow tweets 1x a week 10k followers is over 1,400 tweets in your timeline a day. Nobody is going to be reading that much on twitter. You can get a lot of value out of twitter if you only follow people that say things that are important to you.

    This whole make money online sector of the internet is just a small group and not representative of the entire internet as a whole. Please stop doing the stupid things these people say. Pay attention to the people that are using the internet right.

    Outside of this sector you can have a popular blog without being a part of the in crowd but it’s much harder these days because there’s only so much attention to go around and the people that started doing this years ago and got it right grabbed a lot of the attention.

    I’ve never bought an ebook or program on how to make money online. If Jeff Bezos, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Pierre Omidyar or people like that did I might consider it but I’d be a little suspicious because there’s a reason they don’t. Think about it. If you walked into your bank one day and they were trying to sell you a book on how rich you could be if you started your own bank, you’d probably switch banks. At least I would.

    1. @HTNMMO,

      Outside of this sector you can have a popular blog without being a part of the in crowd

      To which “in crowd” and to which “sector” are you referring?

      but it’s much harder these days because there’s only so much attention to go around and the people that started doing this years ago and got it right grabbed a lot of the attention.

      Unless, except, of course if you were able to get an endorsement from one of those that previously “grabbed a lot of the attention.” If one of those folks linked to a blog post of yours, it’d be like huge gangbuster-y-ness.

      But why do you suppose that those that “grabbed a lot of the attention” must have “got it right”? Oh, to be sure, you do need some sort of skill (e.g. to be able to blog, it’s important to be able to string together words in a pithy way–or maybe it’s important to know how to plagiarize someone else’s words without getting caught.) But having some sort of skill is not the same as getting it right.

      Everyone wants to believe that hard work will always mean success. I suppose that’s mostly true–for certain broad interpretations of “success”.

      The world is harsh and brutal. Do you think, for example, that Aerosmith or Metalica are the best bands ever? Of course they’re good. But I bet there 50 garage bands for every one Aerosmith that are equally able to thrash but that will never ever be monetarily successful because the record label A-team is in the process of slowly crumbling to the ground.

      It’s foolish to assume that popularity automatically means worthiness.


      Furry cows moo and decompress.

      1. @Wyrd,

        I’m referring to this sector where people are trying to make money off of trying to teach people how to make money online.

        It’s a very small part of the internet. Up until I found this Salty’s blog after watching Scamworld I didn’t know the names of any of the people that are discussed here except the few I happened to see on infomercials or TV.

        Is that because I spend all my time watching infomercials and I never go online? The opposite is true. And it’s not because I haven’t done my fair share of searches related to how people make money online and I’ve likely even landed on their pages, or pages of their affiliates hundreds of times. I’ve been aware that there are these types of people out there but really didn’t care to take the time to find out who they are.

        “But why do you suppose that those that “grabbed a lot of the attention” must have “got it right”? ”

        I’m not denying that it takes luck to be successful but luck isn’t the only factor. It’s rare for someone to do get something constantly wrong and be successful.

        If you look at a site like TMZ, TechCruch or CalculatedRisk, it’s quite possible they weren’t the best site out when they started and luck was a factor on their growth, but they did do at least a competent job of delivering information that people wanted.

        It didn’t immediately occur to me when I first started commenting here that a lot of the readers here would have been victims of these scams.

        While I have sympathy for people who were scammed and I think the whole process is disgusting, people have to take some responsibility for there actions and can’t just give up and say life is a giant lottery and there’s no point trying.

        I know this might offend some people but I think it’s important.

        These types of scams existed long before there was an internet. They work pretty much the same way as they always have the internet just makes it cheaper to reach a big audience. The scams actually kind of have the same pricing model that airlines have and even software companies like Microsoft do the same thing.

        First they have to try and get your attention by advertising to a large group saying they have something great to tell you. The majority of the people will ignore this. Let’s say their advertising reaches 1 million people and 10% continue.

        If you’re 1 of the 100k people that didn’t ignore the first ad you come to a place where they’re giving you something for free but usually for a fairly small price. Again, the majority of people will ignore this but some people will say “what the hell, let’s see what this is about.” So maybe they get 10% that are willing to spend a small amount, say $20 to get more information. They just made $200k – the cost of advertising.

        Of the 10k people that bought the bait the majority of people will realize that they have wasted their money and not give these people another dime. But maybe 10% this time still want to believe the lies and are willing to spend a little more money on the next product the first product tried to sell. The next product is more expensive let’s say $200 instead of $20. Boom, they just made another $200k.

        And they’re going to keep working people down to see how much money they can extract from them.

        Yes they lie to you, yes they pressure you, yes it’s wrong to do this. But unless they’re stealing your credit card number and making bogus charges, which some people do, you would have had to make a whole lot of bad decisions to lose a lot of money to these people. I’m not denying they make it very easy for you to make these bad decisions and I don’t condone it.

        The guy that posts here that runs the Ed Whoever Scam blog is a perfect example. I was reading some of his posts. In a reply to a comment he said after signing up for some free videos “Ed [whateverhisnameis] sent me an email that sold me blah blah blah for $x,xxx”. I may have mixed up some of the other words but “sold” was the word he used. Nobody can sell you something without you deciding to buying it. They can only “try” to sell you something.

        The internet can lead to bad things but it can also lead to good things too. Take this blog for example.

        SaltyDroid is obviously smart and he’s an attorney. Even though in one instance I saw him threaten legal action I’m not aware that he actually has. I would assume he could make some decent money if he thought he could successfully get this money back through the courts.

        SD has done a great job getting attention and raising awareness of these scams which helps reduce the number of people that fall victim to them but… If he ever believes he could do more as a lawyer and not a foul mouthed robot and decided to put a little paypal donate button on his site to pay for his efforts either putting together class action suits or writing letters to local AG’s, the FTC, government officials, etc I know I would donate a little to it and many others probably would too. It wouldn’t even bother me if he got filthy rich in the process as long as he was helping people and making it less likely people got screwed over in the future.

        1. @HTNMMO ::

          Gosh there is so much wrong with what you’ve said there. Thought you were gonna read more and talk less?

          Your 10% 10% 10% numbers are all totally out your ass. Buyers become more likely to buy as they move further down the sucker list funnel. That’s just the fucking basics my man.

          And I could make money by going to court? What are you nuts? Hate to tell you this pollyanna … but going to court is ALL about losing money.

          I’ll not put up a Paypal button … so that every rodent and his brother doesn’t give me five bucks that I don’t need so they can come in here and get all up in my bizness … tell me what to do and shit even though they’re barely qualified to have a fucking conversation with me … kinda like you’re doing right now.

          Oh and just to keep with the theme of this post … I wasn’t able to read your whole comment.

          1. @SD,

            I pulled simple numbers out of my ass to illustrate that there are plenty of points where there own decisions played a part. I think we both agree there is a funnel. I don’t run these sorts of scams so I don’t know what the exact numbers are.

            “And I could make money by going to court? What are you nuts? Hate to tell you this pollyanna … but going to court is ALL about losing money.”

            Unless you’re a lawyer is what my lawyer friends tell me. And from what I understand victims sometimes get something too.

            I’m not a lawyer, I don’t know if there are any legal remedies for people that have been scammed or what can be done in that arena to help prevent people from being scammed in the future.

            You are, so maybe you know. You’re obviously passionate about the matter and spend a lot of time on it.

            Scamworld not only brought attention to the scammers, it brought attention to you. Do you want to use that attention to try and do more to help people? Can anything more even be done?

            1. @HTNMMO ::

              Well don’t pull numbers out your ass … terrible habit. And don’t state things authoritatively in areas where you don’t have any authority … also a terrible habit. Put those two terrible habits together and you sound exactly like a scammer.

              A person who has been defrauded hasn’t made a “decision” … because the facts have been withheld and misrepresented by the fraudster. “Decisions” in the commercial context require disclosure and honesty by the seller … otherwise nothing has happened but crime.

            2. @SD,

              “Put those two terrible habits together and you sound exactly like a scammer.”

              Maybe I’m naive but I don’t think a scammer would come here and suggest you try and take advantage of your increased visibility and legal experience to go after scammers to try and help their victims more.

              ” otherwise nothing has happened but crime.”

              There’s a certain profession that victims of crime should be able to turn to no?

            3. For the record, that last anonymous comment was me. For some reason the form only remembers my email address, not name and url and I forgot to type it in. I wasn’t trying to post anonymously.

          2. @SD, That’s my Salty! I was just telling all the ladies in my sewing circle about what a damn smart boy you are. Course I didn’t really use the word “damn,” because it wouldn’t have been proper. I just told them you did a fine job of exposing all the no-good fucking bastards.

            Me and Mr. Crikey really like what you said right here:

            “A person who has been defrauded hasn’t made a “decision” … because the facts have been withheld and misrepresented by the fraudster. “Decisions” in the commercial context require disclosure and honesty by the seller … otherwise nothing has happened but crime.”

            That right there makes me and Mr. Crikey real glad you didn’t decide to go to truck driving school. Cause if you had, this blog might not exist. Plus we’d of had to buy a c.b. radio to listen to you instead.

            You keep it up, Salty! I think for your next birthday, I’m gonna knit you a bulletproof shawl.

            1. @Madge Crikey, Where have you been hiding, lovely lady? I’m either going blind or you haven’t been around in a while. I missed ya.

              I agree. I think I’m gonna buy one of them CBs. Just in case. Wouldn’t want to miss a word.

              1. @ZILA ::

                Looks like a comment fail right there :: figure out how to do stuff correctly … or you’re banned!

          3. @SD,

            I’ll not put up a Paypal button … so that every rodent and his brother doesn’t give me five bucks that I don’t need so they can come in here and get all up in my bizness … tell me what to do and shit even though they’re barely qualified to have a fucking conversation with me … kinda like you’re doing right now.

            lol!

            Oh and just to keep with the theme of this post … I wasn’t able to read your whole comment.

            and lmao!

            1. @Wyrd, However, Salty will gladly accept vegan reubens from the Chigago Diner if anyone were so inclined…

              …at least he should. Because they’re pretty fucking delicious.

              I mean, if someone were trying to buy my loyalty I would hope that they did it with reubens.

        2. @HTNMMO :: I will say from all evidence available to me you are a {super-low-level} scammer yourself … with 94.9% certainty … and a 10% margin of error.

          From the HTNMMO About page:

          The point here isn’t to not make money online, but to understand how to go about it and what not to do. There is a lot of misinformation out there, the main goal of which is to put money in other people’s pockets.

          There’s two things for certain.

          (1) Your double-negative use of the English language is highly not not not developed.

          (2) You certainly don’t not know how to not make money online.

          After nearly ~3 years with that crap-site online, let’s look at some numbers:

          Google PR 0.
          Alexa rank >1.5MM.
          Daily ad revenue ~$3 (according to Website Looker — the most optimistic, cuz Web Worth calculated your daily ad revenue :: and site value :: at a whopping $0

          Looks like you took a break from 2009 just up until a month and a half ago on the posting too. The consistency of a true wannabe B-team MMO scammer.

          If only you weren’t using WhoisGuard, I would love to share with everyone here who is behind the lame-ass over-zealous commentary … but of course your {scamtacular} “About” page makes no mention of who you are or any “real” qualifications. All generalities :: no references :: no way to do any 3rd party fact checking. Classic MMO scam-style.

          I just hope you don’t figure out how to STFU before someone here figures out who you really are & @SD ousts you for the ass-hat IM/MMO suckcess wannabe you really are.

          1. It seems pretty pointless to try and defend myself here as I tried to explain the purpose of that site in the last post.

            I found this site as a result of scamworld. I read articles about Salty describing him as an “advocate” for people that were being taken in by these scams.

            After reading a lot of posts on here and learning Jason studied law I was wondering why he wasn’t doing more. I would have donated some money and I think others would have as well if he thought he could do more to help these people with his legal knowledge. For the record I was talking about more than $5. I was thinking in terms of billable time for a lawyer and would have paid for some of those hours.

            This site isn’t exactly the consumer advocacy site I was led to believe. Maybe you people are right. he internet is one big scam.

            1. @HTNMMO :: Really? … Really???

              This site isn’t exactly the consumer advocacy site I was led to believe. Maybe you people are right. he internet is one big scam.

              Nobody here ever said the internet is one big scam. Maybe in case you haven’t noticed :: hurr durr :: this site is also on the internet, chump!

              The scam is when people give advice on topics, posturing as an expert, using {illegally} false claims & misleading “marketing” (falsified social proof, syndicate monopolies, etc) to bamboozle their marks :: er … customers … into “transactions” based on false pretense.

              Sort of like how you give “advice” on “that site” for which you never even bothered disclosing what qualifies you to give “advice” as an “expert” (on your chosen topic of “Making Money Online” :: which you say is “easy, just not THAT easy!”).

              … Right bucko, keep telling yourself that and the unicorn moneyz will start flowing in by the wagon-load.

              @HTNMMO qualifications:

              I started out as a web programmer in the mid 90’s. It started off slow … I’ve worked for small and large companies, start-ups and established firms, both profitable and ones that crashed …

              Ahh, a multi-faceted expert at making money online (with not one independently verifiable, specific claim)! I better trust anything that comes out of this anonymous guy’s mouth, for sure Mom … Super!

              Even in the beginning, I was also interested in the business as well as technical side of things …

              I’ve always had sites I planned on building running through my head. Lately, I’ve been starting to build these sits for myself and putting them online. Some are doing well others, not so well.

              I’m glad to hear some of your “sits” are “doing well” … I guess it would have been hard to actually provide links to those “doing well” ones tho … cuz u kno, PROOF is a bitch & all.

              I’m not a multi-billionaire who can retire and do nothing but I’ve worked very closely with many that have.

              Wait, what? You’ve worked very closely with many multi-billionaires? Who retired to do nothing? Or just people who retired to do nothing (i.e. – the unemployed?)…

              @HTNMMO:

              Your whole premise is one misleading garbled glob of gobblety gook! At first I thought “Ok, this guy is teaching what he knows :: How to not make money online!” …

              … That is … until I actually visited your site for 10 seconds, and realized you are really trying to teach people HOW to make money online. The “How to Not” part is just your {not} cute attempt at distinguishing yourself from the “other guys”.

              Why mislead people to believe something that even you yourself have no first-hand evidence to prove (to yourself :: much less to your “readers”!)?

              Even worse, why come here {to the land of the hyper-developed Bull Shit Detectors} with a link back to your B.S. site … then blame us for calling you out on it?

              If you wanted anyone here to take you seriously, you could have at least not tried to pull the anonymous “I’m an expert :: trust me!” ploy. You don’t even identify yourself on your “About” page … nor do you point to any of your “sits” that are “doing well” … or any of your past work experiences that could be independently verified to help demonstrate your qualifications (because you have none).

              Then you get mad about people here calling you out on it … then blame the internet … and blame the Salty Droid for “why he wasn’t doing more.”

              For shame @HTNMMO! For Shame!!!

            2. @Doctor Mario,

              I’m not a multi-billionaire who can retire and do nothing but I’ve worked very closely with many that have.

              Wait, what? You’ve worked very closely with many multi-billionaires? Who retired to do nothing? Or just people who retired to do nothing (i.e. – the unemployed?)…

              I’m pretty sure @HTNMMO means people like Frank Kern… Andy Jenkins… etc…. I mean: perhaps @HTNMMO laid out a couple grand at some point in the past for some one-on-one “coaching”…

              @HTNMMO
              Ok, see what’s happening here? @Doctor Mario is upset. Why is that?

              Well see this quote from him:

              Your whole premise is one misleading garbled glob of gobblety gook! At first I thought “Ok, this guy is teaching what he knows :: How to not make money online!” …

              Ok, see that bolded part? For just a little while, he had some trust in you. But now he feels that you have violated that trust.

              See how that works? This is the kind of result you can expect to have happen over and over. If you’re going to scam, then you’re going to have to either destroy your conscience or else learn not to try to talk on sites where you might come in contact with the people you’re scamming.

              I’m not sure if Frank and the boys covered that one anywhere. They really should have because it’s basic 101 level. But it probably didn’t occur to them since they’re mostly a bunch of psychopaths incapable of feeling sympathy or remorse.

              Hey wait–was your last post about how all the Internet’s a scam supposed to make us feel pity?

              Oh, and @Rockstar: here’s an irony for you–you’ve been digging at how we don’t ever blame the victims but only the scammers. But, if my guess is correct, @HTNMMO is a victim. So why is he getting such rough treatment? Well, that’d be because he seems to still be drinking from the pitcher of unicorn kool-aid.

              So it goes.


              Furry cows moo and decompress.

            3. @Doctor Mario,

              The site changed focus partly because around the same time I had a run in with another scammer outside of the whole make money online thing and it wound up being a giant waste of my time.

              I can’t teach people how to get insanely rich without putting in a lot of work. I received a formal education in my field, I spent a lot of time learning about the web on my own time, I worked part time while still in school to get hands on experience and I was lucky that I was doing all this at a time when the internet was just getting started. My first full time job after college I was making 2-3x what others I went to school with were making.

              That’s not something you can teach in an ebook and you can’t sell someone a program that will do that for them.

              I’d like to defend my position and site more but I don’t think this is the right place to do it. I read a lot of posts on here before I started commenting but I didn’t read a lot of the comments. After I got a better understanding of what Jason is doing I kind of felt like I unknowingly walked into an AA meeting and said “Just have a little drink, it’s not going to kill you.”

              I don’t want to do that again. All I can say is this. I’m not selling any type of program or ebooks and I don’t advocate people buy any of those things or even really spend money. If that’s a scam it’s a horrible scam.

            4. @WYRD,

              “I’m pretty sure @HTNMMO means people like Frank Kern… Andy Jenkins… etc…. I mean: perhaps @HTNMMO laid out a couple grand at some point in the past for some one-on-one “coaching”…”

              I didn’t even know who those people were before I found this site. When I was a kid I sent a buck to an address I found in the classifieds section of the newspaper that promised to teach how to make $1,000 a week from home. That’s the last money I spent on a scam and I got over it quickly.

              The only person I mentioned in my blog that has received the SD treatment I believe is Darren Rowse of problogger.net.

              My understanding was he makes the bulk of his money from his photography site. The stuff he says on his problogger site is pretty useful. At the time I started following his blog I don’t think he was really doing the things other scam sites were like trying to sell people things that promised to make them a fortune from blogging. After reading some posts on him here I’m wondering if I was wrong about my assessment.

            5. @HTNMMO :: You said:

              I can’t teach people how to get insanely rich without putting in a lot of work.

              You should have said:

              I can’t teach people how to get insanely rich

              Period. Full stop.

              @HTNMMO :: It’s true that you are:

              not selling any type of program or ebooks

              … but you are monetizing your crappy 0 PR site via ads … and came here posting a link back to that site.

              You could just have easily used the handle @HTNMMO w/o the link. Why didn’t you?

              Just because you aren’t good at scamming doesn’t make you a not-scammer.

              If you really believed in what you were doing, you’d stand behind it with your real name & your real “qualifications” for all to see … so your readers could independently judge & verify your credibility for themselves.

              You did get one thing right at least :: the SaltyDroid is not the place to be advertising your crapola. Nor is it the place to be defending your shite site or your blame-the-victim views:

              people have to take some responsibility for there actions

              Yes, yes, that skirt she was wearing was really short … and with such a low-cut blouse … she was totally asking for it, right?

              Nobody here ever said …

              [to] just give up … life is a giant lottery and there’s no point trying.

              … we just said that there’s no point in trying bull-shit preached (and not practiced) by fucking criminals.

            6. @HTNMMO, @Doctor Mario

              Regarding @HTNMMO’s site: would this be a good time to mention I use Ad Block Plus in Firefox? (And in Chrome I use a similar ad blocking feature.)

              So… you’re not getting and $$ from my clicks, @HNTMMO.


              Furry cows moo and decompress.

            7. @Doctor Mario,

              “You could just have easily used the handle @HTNMMO w/o the link. Why didn’t you?”

              So that if people are interested they can click on the link and find out more about me to help put some context to what I’m saying.

              If adding a link is so offensive it is fairly simple to remove that option from the comment form if the site owner chooses to do so.

              Still a bit silly to be arguing about anonymity with people named Doctor Mario and Wyrd on a site where the owner started out anonymous don’t you think?

              I don’t feel the need to build a lot of trust with my readers. You need to do that when you’re trying to get money out of them. I’m not.

              @Wyrd,

              “Regarding @HTNMMO’s site: would this be a good time to mention I use Ad Block Plus in Firefox? (And in Chrome I use a similar ad blocking feature.)

              So… you’re not getting and $$ from my clicks, @HNTMMO”

              I don’t make money off of clicks on that site. I make money when people buy things they might need from companies I like.

              Since you didn’t get to see the ads I’ll give you a run down. They’re basically logo companies that do good work for decent prices and hosting companies including the company that host’s this site.

              These aren’t things meant for you because you don’t try to make money online. In fact it seems you actually go out of your way not to even though you spend a considerable amount of time writing on other people’s sites.

              I’m curious. The other day you said “I still don’t see how blogs could ever be a money making venture unto themselves”. Have you ever tried? What is it that makes you feel that way. All the sites you post to seem to be making money except this one.

            8. @HTNMMO,

              I’m curious. The other day you said “I still don’t see how blogs could ever be a money making venture unto themselves”. Have you ever tried? What is it that makes you feel that way.

              Perhaps I should have been more clear. By “money making venture” I meant business. By “business” I mean not hobby.

              Now, if some random person were to come up to me and say, “hey! I got a blog that I write on as a hobby and it pulls in a little bit of money every month.” I’d probably be all like, “cool!” And then I’d ask them how much it actually brings in, and, while I would still think it’s cool that they do this thing they love, my assessment of just how worthwhile an occupation it would be for me might rise or fall depending on how much they are able to take in.

              But then there’s you. You with your evasions and never-ending litany of vague statements that don’t go anywhere and that you never follow up on.

              In fact the longer you go on, but refuse to demonstrate anything concrete the more convinced I am that you have nothing to offer and no hobby blog makin’ money. Not even small potatoes $10 / month type money.

              I challenge you to provide proof or even just a specific precise claim of the amount of profit you made last year from blogging exclusively. I remain deeply skeptical of… well almost all of your claims.

              In particular, I remain skeptical of your claim of having worked with–what was it billionaires? Who were they? What specifically did you learn from them? How did it relate to blogging? If it didn’t relate to blogging, then why did you bring it up?

              All the sites you post to seem to be making money except this one.

              Which sites would those be exactly?

              Furry cows moo and decompress.

            9. @Wyrd,

              OK, I think I’ve been pretty patient up until this point even though some unfounded accusations have been levied against me. I’ve tried to explain why I don’t feel I should continue this conversation here. Let me try the direct approach.

              I came to this site because I wanted to find out more about Salty Droid and the more I read on here the more I respected what he was doing.

              You? I don’t know you and you’ve given me no reason to respect you and I’m not in the habbit of sharing personal information with people I don’t know.

              In fact you’re the reason I finaly understood why Salty takes the stance he does. I thought to myself “It’s right there in the second paragraph saying most blogs don’t make all that much. I even take examples of some blogs that are ranked higher than 99.9998% and explain if you worked on your blog for an average of 8 years, posting to it more than 20 times a day, with content good enough to get an average of 4 organic backlinks a day, you too can make an average of $18.50 per post. What kind of idiot would read that post and think I made it sound it easy and lucrative?!?!?”

              You! You’re that type of idiot. I’ve tried to be reserved even though you try and attack me and completely misread what I wrore but enough’s enough.

              As soon as I realized there are people like you reading this site I told SD he has my permision to delete my posts because I realized just how incompatible they are with what he’s trying to do here and that there’s validity to why he’s doing it.

              You suspected I was a victim of a scam and I have to admit that’s what I thought about you after our exchange. Now I’m not so sure. I think a more likely scenario is you were half way through punching in your credit card number when something shiney distracted you or maybe you saw your own reflection in a mirror and thought there was an intruder in your home.

              When you eventually got back online you forgot all about that $5,000 make money with twitter webinar you were going to pay for and wound up here. After a few weeks of reading you realized this wasn’t an R5-D4 fan site and had an epiphany “Oh boy I almost made a ter… Awe butterflies! They’re so purty.”

              So please forget everything I said about making money online. Nobody makes money online. Don’t turn off your ad block because of the subliminal messages that might force you to click an ad you don’t want to and so you don’t see the sites you’re posting to are using ads to make money. It’s a myth.

              @SD,

              Your peanut gallery tried to knock down what Rockstar was saying, even going so far as to imply he’s Dave Navarro which seems insane. So let me try and be clear to you too because I agree with his sentiment.

              You’re getting a shitload of people coming here as a result of Scamworld. People that aren’t going to take the time to read through a lot of your older stuff like I did. People that don’t have any love for scammers that con little old ladies or that cause people’s deaths.

              The bump is already going down. Do you want them to see posts like this where you’re just making fun of some nobody most people never even heard of or do you want them to see your good shit? Like the time you helped some woman’s family get justice by finding them a lawyer and by helping to spread the word about what really happend, when the mainstreet media partly sanitized the story because they help promote these douchebag self-help gurus all the time.

              Shit like this. http://saltydroid.info/long-trips-to-the-mall/

              It’s so fucken rare to find people that actually give a shit about other people and then actually take the time to do something about it and are smart enough to make a big impact with very little resources. And then, even when there are people like that nobody pays attention and here you are getting a big boost of attention and it just feels like you’re not using it to the fullest extent that I believe you’re capable of. Tomorrow some daughter of some person that used to sort of be famous might ‘accidentally’ slip a nip and people will move on to talk about that. I think what you have to say is more important.

            10. @HTNMMO :: Really? Now you’re calling @Wyrd an idiot for calling you out on saying nonsense like:

              if you worked on your blog for an average of 8 years, posting to it more than 20 times a day, with content good enough to get an average of 4 organic backlinks a day, you too can make an average of $18.50 per post

              Are you high on crack? Remember when @SD told you not to pull random numbers out of your ass???

              How can you possibly verify that insane claim?

              I would be surprised if you could solidly prove that just ONE specific site has, over the last 8 years, amassed:

              + 58,400 posts
              + 11,680 backlinks
              + $1,080,400 earnings ( … an avg. of $135,050/yr)

              … much less to extrapolate this as a repeatable trend for others to follow.

              “Hurr durr, just write 20 posts a day!”

              Coming from Mr. “I didn’t post to my site for 2 years, and after 3 years online it has PR 0 + Alexa >1.5MM + <$1/daily ad revenue" …

              … it's obvious we can look to you as the trusted authority on these nonsense-number matters …

              Mr. @HowToNotMakeMoneyOnline … by which you mean "How to Make Money Online” … the whole premise of the site to which you chose to link (from the SaltyDroid of all places) is a big fat L-I-E … and still you feel justified accusing people of making:

              unfounded accusations …

              … and then grandiosely insulting them (with your own unfounded accusations) for calling you out on it.

              Just because you don’t sell ebooks & info-products doesn’t make you all high & mighty. It just makes you an IM/MMO n00b … still {less profitably} pushing the same unsubstantiated-claim-based unicorn-moneyz pipe-dreamz (which you have yet to even achieve for yourself … yet feel justified teaching others to achieve!). Kudos.

              I told SD he has my permision to delete my posts

              … but, luckily you don’t have worry about that one … because the “peanut gallery” here will amply down-vote your self righteous nonsense until those crap-posts no longer appear (other than “Hidden due to low comment rating.”)

            11. @Doctor Mario,

              “Are you high on crack? Remember when @SD told you not to pull random numbers out of your ass???

              How can you possibly verify that insane claim?”

              Numbers come from this post on Blogging Is Not A Get Rich Quick Scheme

              Wyrd admitted last night that he didn’t actually read it until last night because he thought it was too long. In it’s original form it was about 1,000 words. I think he’s typed more than that here trying to explain to me why what I wrote, which he didn’t read, was wrong.

              You might want to take the time to read it too.

              “… much less to extrapolate this as a repeatable trend for others to follow.”

              The whole point of the article was to show how hard it is to build a blog that is popular enough to make it into Technorati’s top 100 and even when you make it that big, you’re not making an insane amount of money. Hundreds of millions of blogs, top 100 = less than 0.0001% of all blogs. How exactly did I extrapolote it was a repeatable trend.

              Oh I guess I did because Wyrd said I did even though he didn’t read what I wrote and I had to correct him numerous times.

              “Coming from Mr. “I didn’t post to my site for 2 years, and after 3 years online it has PR 0 + Alexa >1.5MM + <$1/daily ad revenue" …"

              This all started because I gave an example of a blog that any one could write about something they have interest in like one of their hobbies. I have a blog like that. I stated it pays for the hobby and then some. That's not a spectacular claim but I think something most people can do. I don't even post to it often. Maybe 10x a year. It has an alexa rank great than 10million.

            12. @HTNMMO :: First off, you meant to link to this post of yours. Ok … now that stated, there are some qualms I have with that article, but I am bored of arguing with you.

              All I want to say is that this all absolutely did NOT start because you linked to that specific post. This all started because you linked to your SITE :: which has the tagline:

              Making money online is easy, just not THAT easy!

              Then, to substantiate that claim, you write a bunch of articles (feigning authority) … while on your About page are completely unwilling to provide your own identity or even ONE independently verifiable claim about your qualifications.

              Not only that, you go around using the same double-speak of a typical scammer …

              The point here isn’t to not make money online, but to understand how to go about it and what not to do.

              In your most recent “Me vs. the Droid” post … you say:

              I was sick of seeing some of the same things I think he was seeing.

              Buddy, you look the same as those things we are sick of seeing (minus the ebooks & info-frauducts).

              If you really want to be helpful, stop talking Unicorn-Speak of “Making Money Online” and focus on using (and maybe teaching?) the in-demand technical skills you claim to possess.

              … because Twittering Like a Normal Person isn’t going to be making anybody any money.

            13. @HTNMMO,

              “If you really want to be helpful, stop talking Unicorn-Speak of “Making Money Online” and focus on using (and maybe teaching?) the in-demand technical skills you claim to possess.”

              I already posted how to do that. Go to school study something you enjoy. Spend your own time on top of that learning the new stuff that they’re not teaching you in school yet. Get part time jobs and internships in your field to get experience. Hope you get a little lucky and don’t get unlucky.

              People don’t want to do that. I’ve had multiple conversations with people about it which is part of what led me to start the site. They want to buy a set of DVDs or attend a seminar and instantly receive a monthly check for doing practically nothing. These are the people being scammed.

              They’re not going to or can’t take the time to do what I did. What I can do for them is show them some easy things that can make them some money using time they’re already spending online and give them realistic expectations before they wind up spending their money and going down a path where they can lose a lot more.

              They respond to the unicorn speak. They google for it every day. The waste their money on it. My goal isn’t to help these people learn how to get rich online. It’s to help keep them from getting poor trying. I didn’t think howtonotgetpooronline.com would get as much traffic.

              More importantly. I love doing what I do. There have been multiple times when I’ve worked 48 hours straight. 12-16 hour days are very normal. You have to have a lot of passion for what you do to do that.

              Not everyone is going to be passionate about what I’m passionate about. I think anyone that’s passionate about something can make a little extra online and it wouldn’t feel like work. Could they quit their job over it? Most likely not.

              ” because Twittering Like a Normal Person isn’t going to be making anybody any money.”

              It made me money just writing it. Don’t know if you read it but the article was geared towards businesses. I was asked to give a client some information and thought it might be of general benefit to others so I made some changes and put it online. If you run a business and want to use twitter to promote it, it might help you too.

              One of the reasons I lost interest in posting to the site was because of some things Google was doing that felt like they were stacking the deck against people that weren’t manipulating them. This past year a lot has changed.

              Some of the changes people are hating now are things that I suggested years ago. It has me excited about the topic again. At some point I might not have as much free time or interest.

            14. @HTNMMO :: Sounds like you learned your lesson here then.

              Stop making those unsubstantiated claims & pulling random numbers out your ass. Consider putting your real name & verifiable qualifications behind your project if you want critical people to take you {remotely} seriously.

              Stop telling people it’s ‘easy’ to “Make Money Online” … when your general message is that it’s not easy … and because, actually, you can’t “make money online.” That’s not a thing.

              You can make money publishing content & selling ads, selling products & services, etc … but “Making Money Online” is IM/MMO Cult-Speak for Unicorn-Moneyz.

              If you really want to do your readers a favor, clarify that for them … don’t add to the confusion with the not-not double-speak.

            15. @HTNMMO,

              Consider putting your real name & verifiable qualifications behind your project if you want critical people to take you {remotely} seriously.

              Critical people have taken me seriously.

              Go through my list of suggestions here. There are 3 or 4 comments I left.
              http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/webspam-in-2009/#comment-213805

              If you follow what’s been happening with google search some of the suggestions might sound familiar.

              Who exactly are you by the way? What qualifications do you have that should cause me to give any weight to anything you’ve said?

              1. @HTNMMO ::

                Well :: I’ll admit that I had my doubts about you … but obviously I was wrong. I had no idea that you were the same guy who left those comments on Matt Cutts’ blog back in 2009. I remember seeing those back then and saying out loud to the person who was my mother at the time :: “this changes everything.”

                So now that we’re getting along so well … and we’re both so impressed with each other … send me evidence to my email that you have other sites online that make money … sites that must be less stupid than the site you’re linking to here else they wouldn’t be making money.

                If you can’t do that :: then you lied … and I will suffer you no longer.

                Another troll is only allowed to speak German … you are now only allowed 140 characters-ish.

                Evidence … or fucking brevity. Your only two choices all star.

  7. So skimming this post, it seems that Salty’s head has expanded to the point of almost exploding because that Verge article has people “not feeling like now is a good time to fuck with” him and a bunch of other people (along with Salty) are resorting to calling Brogan fat.

    Wow, that’s some hard hitting journalism there.

    I’ve been reading this site for a long time, and agree with a lot of the stuff, but things seem to be heading into the shitter. Telling us how “great” you are because the Verge basically rewrote your last couple of years worth of posts into a long article and calling people names doesn’t seem like it holds much water to me.

    If you want to be taken seriously by people who can actually do something, maybe you should start acting like a real journalist instead of a bitter, bitchy teenager.

    1. @Rockstar, what’s with this trend of making comments and having opinions without reading the actual articles?

      I’ve been reading Salty for years, and this post doesn’t feel any different from any posts pre-Verge.

      And being a Salty vet, I can smell a shill from a mile away. I wonder which one of the D(bag)-Team we have defending Brogan?

      1. @First Time Caller, Rockstar – isn’t that Dave Navarro’s nom de scam? Of course, every mothereffer is a “rock star” of some sort, but I seem to recall from the Droid’s articles that he was making an effort to specifically include rock star as his “official” moniker.

        1. @Melkor,

          It’s close anyway. Dave’s twitter account was RockYourDay.

          Also, if @Rockstar has been “reading this site for a long time” then either he/she’s not been posting much or else he/she’s been doing it under a different handle.

          I did a quick spot check on some articles from the recent past and didn’t find any comments from Rockstar.


          Furry cows moo and decompress.

          1. @Wyrd,

            There’s been a recent spike in comments, hasn’t there, from people who have “been reading this site for a long time”, but chosen to wait until now to start criticizing it.

            @Rockstar,
            If you read a little more closely you’ll notice that Droid didn’t “resort” to calling Brogan fat. He didn’t need to, because the whole point of the post was to answer Brogan’s rather curious invitation to the Droid to point to which scams he’s been running.

            Calling him fat was an extra added service, delivered free of charge, in order to maintain the personal feel of this blog.

            1. @Yakaru, Well, I’ve been reading this blog on and off since the Bacak and Belcher days, but I haven’t felt the need to comment before now- the regulars are saying everything that needs to be said and I’m not actually contributing much beyond being another peanut-thrower in the gallery for the most part ;)

      2. @First Time Caller, Defending Brogan? Umm, maybe you should read my post a little slower. I’m not defending him (I don’t think I ever heard of him until he popped up on here, in fact). I’m saying that calling someone fat is weak sauce.

        If being fat is a problem, Salty’s got his work cut out for him with all the fatties in this country.

    2. @Rockstar,

      1) When someone says, “I’m the experts… I’m Rich! Do what I say… Build TRUST!” And it’s not true… they invite themselves into scrutiny, yet complain when they get it.

      2) People like you come in here all the time, deflecting the issue at hand, dismissing the value of the message because of a few -hilariously written- fat jokes.

      3) I think your name betrays your ego.

    3. @Rockstar,

      If you want to be taken seriously by people who can actually do something, maybe you should start acting like a real journalist instead of a bitter, bitchy teenager.

      Salty Droid always sounds like that. That’s his stitch. Where’ve you been?

      Of course, @SD isn’t actually a bitter, bitchy teenager. Unlike the average teenager, @SD has, IIRC, a multi-TB drive with folders full of accumulated dirty laundry on various and sundry “A-teams” and “B-teams”. You never know when that stuff will turn out to be useful.

      The Salty Droid says things I happen to think are important. He chooses to do it in a mocking, salty way.


      Furry cows moo and decompress.

      1. (In case anyone is overly confused–I meant to write “schtick” instead of “stitch”. Although Lilo and Stitch is pretty cool.)

    4. @Rockstar ::

      So I’m getting haughty because a major website took my story seriously … but I should change if I want to be taken seriously?

      Pretty solid reasoning there champ … you must have gone to Full Sail or something.

      1. @SD, Getting your stuff regurgitated by a major website doesn’t make you as special as you seem to think. If you had actually managed to get one of these guys into some kind of actual trouble in the last couple of years – not just shit slinging on the internet – then you would be special.

        Contrary to what all the sheep said who jumped to your defense after my post, I have been reading this site for at least a couple of years but for whatever reason, this particular post felt like you think you’re becoming important because of that Verge story. And not in a good way, in a “look at me, I’m somebody special” kind of way.

        And also contrary to what those people think, I got my name from the can of Rockstar soda that was sitting on my desk – not some kind of inflated ego. If I chose tonight to make my first post it might just as easily have been Doublemint, after the pack of gum I’m looking at.

        Frankly, I don’t care if you think I’m right or wrong. It is interesting how quickly anyone who says something contrary to the general flow of the site gets jumped on by your readers, however. It seems there’s less interest in discussion than there is in saying shit from behind a fake name when nobody knows who you are (says the guy using a fake name :-) )

        1. @Rockstar, Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

          1) point to anything in saltys writing that backs up your point that you think he’s gettin too big fer his britches?

          2) I see a lot of discussion back and forth. Especialliy when it comes to clearing up the misconception that we are anti-business or anti-capitalists. Which we have proven we’re not. We’re anti d-bags. We’re anti sheeple. We’re anti unicorn.

          3) The commentators on here all don’t agree with salty on everything and we certainly don’t always agree with each other.

          4) I thought an IMers dream was to have a loyal group of fans who would come to your defense and engage in dialogue for you…? I guess that’s a tactic you haven’t paid enough money to learn from ‘the experts’ of marketing… Online!

          5) You drink Rockstar. Your title betrays your intelligence.

          1. @JustSayin,
            Nah. Not anti sheeple or anti unicorn. Just anti dirtbags RAPING sheeple and unicorns. If they were real beasts you could say we’re anti bestiality, as well as anti rape. But they ain’t, so we’re not.

        2. @Rockstar,

          “And also contrary to what those people think, I got my name from the can of Rockstar soda that was sitting on my desk”

          You may have taken your moniker from a can, but you probably received your name from your parents. Just saying.

          I remember my dad (Mr. Mug Root Beer, I actually called him pop) telling me how he met my mom (Miss Orange Crush), he found her personality very bubbly, she found him really rooted. Unfortunately, like all relationships, it failed. In the end he found her flat, and well, she found he was an empty shell of a man. I think it was the fact that they were always drunk.

          It was really hard on us siblings. My brother (Schwepps), eventually was crushed and tossed from society. My sister (Ginger Ale), just tested positive for sucralose. We are holding an intervention next week, we were able to get one of the best addiction specialists on the planet, Dr. Pepper!

          Ohhh the fucking inhumanity of life!!!

          1. @EthiopianCrackBaby, Haha, now that’s funny. Yes, you caught me – my “name” isn’t actually Rockstar. Poor choice of words. I’m glad the semantic police are watching for errors here :-)

      1. @Jack, I guess I’ll have to dumb this down a little more.

        My point is that if someone from the FTC or any other organization that can actually *do something* about this reads this site, chances are they’re going to have a good chuckle at all the typical internet trolls and go on their merry way. The chances of getting any real action would be much better if there was a little less “salty” on the site.

        I’m betting most people come here for the entertainment value, however. The fact that they can feel better about not being successful in the process is just icing on the cake.

        And I’m not saying any of the people who are profiled here can make you successful, in fact I think it’s quite the opposite. But I’ll bet that most of the people who are here are mainly bitter because they got suckered into believing in the unicorns these guys sell.

        Yes, they scam people. But Jesus, people need to take some responsibility for thinking there’s some magical way to make money on the internet. There aren’t many people here that are willing to accept even a little bit of responsibility for buying into the BS.

        I did, and I’ve learned from those mistakes. I blame these so-called marketers for lying to me, but I should have known better too.

          1. @Jack ::

            Yeah … I think maybe poor @Rockstar is confused about who’s chuckling at whose stupidity in these fake robot meets The Man type situations.

            … amongst other confusions.

        1. @Rockstar, Also and also finally:

          “You should never argue with an idiot – the idiot will always win.”

          By the “you” in there it means from me about you specifically.

        2. @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/7412504@N02/7314516844/in/photostream

          For someone that’s been reading here a long time, you sure are saying a lot of the special phrases that tend to set people off.

          My point is that if someone from the FTC or any other organization that can actually *do something* about this reads this site, chances are they’re going to have a good chuckle at all the typical internet trolls and go on their merry way. The chances of getting any real action would be much better if there was a little less “salty” on the site.

          This kind of argument has been made before. Many times. I said something similar when I first posted. Yet the Salty Droid marches on. I am no longer so sure it’s as important that @SD be low sodium. He has been referenced by Consumer Reports. @Jack points out he was asked to–what is it?–give evidence? Anyway, you see the PDF. Then there’s the class action lawsuit against Stephen Pierice thingie. Do you think those lawyers would’ve been in contact with @SD if the salt bothered them?

          But if salt bothers you that much, maybe check out http://www.realscam.com/. AFAIK, it’s a non-scam scam reporting forum.

          But Jesus, people need to take some responsibility for thinking there’s some magical way to make money on the internet.

          Ah, another classic. This is the blame-the-victims argument.

          There aren’t many people here that are willing to accept even a little bit of responsibility for buying into the BS.

          Well, if you think about it, anyone that actually admits, for example, “I bought frauduct XX from scammer YY,” is at that moment taking at least a little bit of responsibility in that they’re acknowledging that they, you know, bought XX from YY. It’s implicit acknowledgement that they fell for the scam.

          There aren’t many people here that are willing to accept even a little bit of responsibility for buying into the BS.
          I did, and I’ve learned from those mistakes. I blame these so-called marketers for lying to me,

          That’s right. They lied to you. They violated your trust. It makes sense that you’d blame them for that.

          but I should have known better too.

          Sure, I guess. But you didn’t. I didn’t. Lots of people didn’t. What possible gain is there from pointing out the fault of the victim?

          Hindsight is 20/20. Scamming works because it’s human nature to trust. That’s not something to blame people for. Rather, it’s the scammers that are to blame for intentionally abusing people’s trust.

          IMHO, blaming the victim is boring and massively unhelpful. How many people do you think would admit to being scammed if they know that all they’ll get is public derision? That derision should be reserved for the ones abusing trust.


          Furry cows moo and decompress.

          1. @Wyrd,

            “Ah, another classic. This is the blame-the-victims argument”

            Yes, just like most of what gets posted here is the “it’s all their fault, we’re innocent victims” argument.

            I’m not saying blame the victims. I’m saying people need to take a step back and look at what they’re being told before buying it hook, line and sinker.

            Have you ever seen those guys that sell speakers or other electronic stuff out of the back of a van in parking lots? Their shtick is usually that the supplier shipped too many sets and they can sell them to you really cheap. I highly doubt many people would believe that. Some people might still buy them, but most people are going to think they’re stolen.

            But as soon as you put “make money” and “on the internet” together, people get stupid and think it’s simple – all they need is the “secret” that somebody is selling them.

            And I’m not talking about victims like the people who died at the hands of James Ray or Navarro’s (ex?) wife, whose name escapes me. Those are tragic stories, especially Navarro’s wife who is just an innocent bystander from everything I see here.

            But if you follow the logic that most of the posts on this site eschew, Dave Navarro is just a victim of Naomi Dunsford or whomever was the next step up the line from him. So is he not to be blamed either?

            Personal responsibility has to start somewhere.

            1. @Rockstar,

              I’m not saying blame the victims. I’m saying people need to take a step back and look at what they’re being told before buying it hook, line and sinker.

              Of course people need to take responsibility for their actions. But why is it your place to wag your finger at people who have already had their money taken, or worse, and tell them so?

              They are already a victim. They have already suffered.

              —–

              But the real problem with blame-the-victm (and yes, that is still blame-the-victim) is that by putting the focus on the victim you necessarily remove some of the focus from the scammer.

              Unless you are very careful, you will wind up in the classic stance that it’s only “suckers” that fall for these things. That’s like saying it’s only “stupid women” that fall for deadbeat guys that drink too much and beat them.

              There’s a lot of complicated psychology going on in any sort of abuser/abuse-ee interaction that the “take personally responsibility!” argument simplistically ignores. And make no mistake–MLM whereever it exists in fully established form is definitely an abuser/absue-ee situation. It’s just with the added complexity that the B-team and some of the C-through-Z team level participants have had their thought processes aggressively altered by another and are also trying to aggressively alter the thought processes of those around them. MLM operates like a virus.

              Telling people that they should just take responsibility is like telling teenagers they should just abstain.

              You’re ignoring key aspects to human nature.

              I very much doubt that we can ever truly get rid of scams. (Although it’s fun to dream.) But anything even remotely blame-the-victim-y is going in the opposite direction. When you do that, you’re giving the MLM-virus room to spread under the false idea that it’s only the “suckers” that will be harmed.

              But… you said it yourself… you got conned by som scammer. I got half-way conned by IM-MMO scammers, and I have fallen for other confidence tricks in the past completely.

              There’s the classic quote

              “There’s a sucker born every minute.”

              What that actually means is: Everyone is a sucker–at some point in time. And, if you think that you can’t possibly fall for a scam, then you’re probably going to fall for a scam.


              Furry cows moo and decompress.

            2. @Wyrd,

              Of course people need to take responsibility for their actions. But why is it your place to wag your finger at people who have already had their money taken, or worse, and tell them so?

              They are already a victim. They have already suffered.

              I don’t consider it finger wagging. I’m simply pointing out that it’s up to the people potentially being scammed to think about what they’re being offered. I’m not trying to point at the people who have already bought into it and go “Look at you, you sucker.”

              I’m as big a sucker (probably bigger) than most of them anyway.

              I think this site tends to go overboard in the opposite direction. It’s all about yelling about the scammers, alongside calling them names. All of which comes across as juvenile, or even abusive in its own right.

              If people just quit buying shit that’s too good to be true, they wouldn’t last long.

              Thanks for writing a thought-provoking response though, instead of just calling me names like most of the other people here do when someone comes in with a dissenting opinion.

    5. @Rockstar,

      The Verge’s Scamworld article, while interesting, provided none of the depth you’ll find reading a handful of articles on the Salty Droid. The comments alone help to wake you up from the spell these scammers have (and continue to) cast.

      Having been taken by “The Syndicate” myself: Including Brad Fallon, Andy Jenkins, Eben Pagan, Frank Kern, John Reese, Stephen Pierce, Rich Shefren, Jeff Walker just to name a few (who as we have come to learn ALL work together to fleece unsuspecting customers with fake social proof.

      Never fell for Mike Filsaime, Mike Koenigs, Perry Belcher, Ryan Deiss and some of the others, mainly because they just seemed too scammy for my BS radar – which mind you – until I started reading the Salty Droid, allowed A LOT of BS to get through. Well. You live and learn.

      Along with many others, I was unaware of their little gang of scam. Throw in the boiler rooms, and you have a real nasty business that provides zero value, and robs individuals of time, money, and self-respect.

      I know these guys don’t give a shit about that. They are just trying to line their own pockets. But it was the above group of marketers that indirectly (and in some cases directly), pushed me towards the “blogging” scammers. The twitter/facebook scammers. The BlogWorld syndicate. Why. Because somehow, they seemed LESS scammy than the Kerns, and the Pagans. They promised the honest truth about online marketing.

      You know who I mean: the “Profloggers” who flog blogging and SEO success like it’s on sale at the nearest Walmart. They have names like “Trust Agent”, “Problogger”, “Copyblogger” “ShoeMoney”, “Four Hour Work Week”, “Teaching Sells” (I got scammed on that bit of drivel), and the list goes on and on.

      They claim to be more authentic. More transparent. More honest. More social. More community focused than all those nasty internet marketers that write completely untrue sales letters in order to sell imaginary products.

      It’s really just different but still the same scam. They know it too.

      SD just has the guts to call them on it. Grazie SD.

      1. @Irwin, Scamworld provided “none of the depth?” You really hurt my feelings!

        Not really… because the article wasn’t meant for you (or the typical Salty Droid reader), it was meant for the people that don’t read this site and have no idea that “syndicate” is French for “trade union.”

        I’m only leaving this comment because I would love to chat with you if you have a moment. Drop me an email.

        1. @Joe,

          My comment was not intended to hurt your feeling. Most readers around here (myself included) think The Verge did a great thing publishing Scamworld. I read The Verge often :-D

          I was responding to a silly troll named Rockstar.

          Regarding your request, and considering how deep the rabbit hole goes when you include the likes of Facebook advertising, Google Adwords, weight loss, make money online, cheap viagra, payday loans, online gambling ect, you are really messing with the entire Internet money machine.

          Safe to say, I am not as courageous about these things as SD and yourself have been. Facebook alone, who now must unleash millions of acai berry ads onto unsuspecting users in order to sustain their share price, is only the tip of the iceberg.

          I believe we are in for more scam dollars than you can poke a stick at. But my feelings (unhurt so far), are that awareness is the cure. Once you are aware of the scammer’s marketing tactics (and they all use similar methods, Dan Kennedy anyone?), then you no longer fall for their shtick. Problem solved one consumer at a time. Slow but sure.

          The Salty Droid wakes up more everyday. I really believe that. And think that it’s awesome. In spite of the trolling haters who are either in on the scam, or trying to protect their lively hoods, or both.

          And sometimes, when a super-cool tech blog posts an expose on the seedy world of “internet marketing”, many more are woken up from the silly spell.

          That’s super awesome too.

          All the best.

      2. @Irwin ::

        This is the actual :: one and only … Joe Flatley asking to chat you up here. I’m assuming he’s intrigued by the notion of you getting passed around to so many different “I’m different than the other scammers” scammers. It is intriguing too :: and it happens a lot … so hit him up and tell him about it.

        joseph @ theverge.com … which I guess you were just supposed to know via magic.

        He is kinda a bitch about not working on the weekends though … I guess he’s never read Ayn Rand and found out about the ways of the hero … says me … working at 3:30am on Friday like a motherfucking hero.

        Thank you Ayn Rand.

        1. @SD

          Dude. Totally entered my email address into the form, I guess that doesn’t do the trick?

          [see: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4221290/Screenshots/95.png%5D

          And about not working on the weekends… why am I in the house at 10:36 PM on a Saturday reading about boiler rooms and Utah politics? It couldn’t be for an upcoming story for the Verge, of course.

          @Irwin

          What are you waiting for? Web celebrity is only moments away!

          joseph [at] theverge [dot] com

  8. So… Reading this post reminded me about Chris Brogan’s ill-advised blog post.

    So… I popped on over and shed some light in the comments section on Chris’s site.

    I’d invite you to do the same.

    Chris loves open and honest dialogue… it builds trust! And he wrote the book on trust!

    So if you ever have any hope of being trusted, then hop on over and maybe Chris will swear you in as a trust agent… which is even cooler and more lucrative then it sounds! It even comes with a certificate you print out at your local kinkos!

    http://www.chrisbrogan.com/scamworld/#comments

    1. @JustSayin ::

      Yeah … and it be nice if we could help Mr. Human Digital Channel get to a point where real commenters outnumber the spam comments he allows through to pad his comment numbers.

      1. @SD, Awww… You’re such a sweetheart! I think we should!

        ps. I will say this for Chris, he manually approved the comment I made to the guy saying Tony Robbins wasn’t a scammer with a link back to your site. I guess if a link it submitted it has to go through moderation… it took a couple of days, but he did approve it. He had the opportunity to silence it… but he didn’t.

        pps. Do you think maybe Chris knows his message about trust an er’thing is right though he is a flawed messenger and -appropriately- is starting to feel the incongruity between his words and actions?

        Maybe he wants to get ‘caught’, leave the third tribe bs aside and make a fresh start without resorting to industry standard ish?

        Could be.

        Chris, if you’re reading this… there is help available.

        You can find it by emailing saltydroid@gmail…

        He may be salty… but he’s right and you know it.

        1. @JustSayin,

          (I know you were addressing @SD–but I wanted to throw in my $0.02)

          Do you think maybe Chris knows his message about trust an er’thing is right though he is a flawed messenger and -appropriately- is starting to feel the incongruity between his words and actions?

          Personally, I think: yes. Or something kind of like it. Like maybe he feels really uncomfortable right now, but he can’t quite figure out why that is–because certainly he’s no scammer! (he tells himself)

          But no–I don’t think he’s going to come out of this and confess all his wrongs and get a fresh start or whatever. Failure’s not an option. Because trust is hard to rebuild. And if he’s been part of an A-team price fixing syndicate that is firmly attached to his name how is he going to un-attatch himself?

          I expect he’ll resolve his cognitive dissonance issues as people usually do. He’ll decide that @SD is simply wrong and just carry on doing what he’s been doing with his “trust networks” and communities and what-all.

          Did you ever see The Life of Brian? There’s a basic part of human nature that seems to invent gurus left and right.


          Furry cows moo and decompress.

        2. @JustSayin ::

          A fresh start with what though? Writing a blog about how him and his IM girlfriend are eating more vegetables and doing fat yoga? That was never gonna work … and will never work.

          1. @SD, It would work if he was actually qualified to write about training and diet. Men’s Health, about.com, Livestrong.com and assorted others hire health and fitness writers/bloggers all the time. Individual fitness experts like Lyle MacDonald and Alan Aragon have personal blogs they use to market their books and consulting services, doing for real what Brogan tries to imitate.

            But you need actual subject matter qualifications that wasn’t bought from a diploma mill “university” you found on an Adsense ad for that sort of thing, which would probably preclude Brogan.

            1. @Jack, Yeah, I forgot to mention him too. What really cracked me up is that Wyrd and Salty and JustSayin all have dozens of likes on their comments…

              …and nobody likes Brogan’s lame ass comments. Just goes to show his only fans are named cheapcameraphones and paydayloans and other weird names that spammy moms give their spammy kids.

            2. @Jack,

              I hadn’t realized that it had gotten through. About a day-and-a-half after I tried to post, it still had not appeared.

              Now I just posted another one, and it looks like it went straight through. Mahaps Chris turned off moderation of that particular blog entry because it’s over a week old?

              Anyway, I couldn’t resist–I posted there again.

              Perhaps Chris’s new strategy is to just let all his detractors (i.e. us) comment so that he’ll appear to be the victim. I’m not sure it’s going to work out that way though.

              Furry cows moo and decompress.

      2. @SD, I probably should confess about it being me who sent oakley sunglasses cheap from my blog over to comment to mr. Brogan.

  9. As a long time reader of this blog I, too, have numerous suggestions:

    • Salty Droid should become Mr. Salty “Rockstar” Droid
    • He should make zany “how to” videos with a Karate outfit (get a clue from Maria Andros)
    • He should organize a retreat on a cruise ship and invite felons on board.
    • He should put his finger in his beer and do a drinking contest with Brendon Burchard (See Video Boss Andy Jenkins vs. Burchard)
    • He should pretend he’s a nice surfer dude (while secretly being hooked on Adderall) get a divorce; and then get a Russian baby mama to make it all good again for redemption (Kern style)
    • He should go to Burning Man wearing makeup and sexy-man clothing (Eben Pagan style)
    • He should create a new “syndicate” and call it “The Mafia” (because he’s honest)
    • He should make information products too!

    . . . Or not.

    As a real long-time reader of this blog I’ve never ceased to be fascinated by the shit Salty has uncovered (and keeps uncovering).

    The IM community is corrupted and rotten to the core. They’re also fucking stupid. Who the hell records their conversation while explaining their crimes?
    The Syndicate—that’s who.

    I never thought humans could go so low. These scammers do. They’re all white smile and “we’re good friends” while they steal from you (with FAKE promises) selling useless frauducts.

    Syndicate scammers: you all will rot in hell once the cops will find you.

    Oh wait . . . you’re already living in the sad, sad hell of having to scam people for a living!

    Well . . . Fuck you!

    1. @Wide Eyes ::

      I am kinda temped by Karate outfit.

      There’s something about Maria … Joe Polish knows what I’m talking about.

  10. The quotation followed by all con artists:

    The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you’ve got it made.
    Jean Giraudoux (1882 – 1944)

    1. Didn’t mean to be anonymous.
      It’s bloody annoying that this site prefills your email address, but not your user name.

    2. @Eric G.,

      So true.

      [engage FullGeekMode]
      One time the Doctor and Romana stumbled into an ongoing con. (actually I think that’s happened several times, but this was one of them)

      After the guys running the con, and the guys being conned exit the scene, the Doctor stands musing…

      DOCTOR: “scring stone found in a dead man’s pocket? A lost mine? A phoney map? Are people still falling for that old guff, I mean are they!?”

      ROMANA: (confused) “You mean you didn’t believe his story?”
      DOCTOR: “No.”
      ROMANA: “But he had such an honest face–
      DOCTOR: Romana, you can’t be a successful crook with a dishonest face, can you?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ABsHp5wrM&t=7m42s

      Furry cows moo and decompress.

      1. @Wyrd, that guy seemed like a crook from the jump. Nothing about his smile seemed honest at all. Although the general vibe he shared with the Dan Kennedy trained gurus is that his denotes extreme arrogance. His eyes tell that he considers everyone around him worthless.

  11. Never heard of him. Looks like a typical Syndicate asshole though.

    Scamworld … lol … that’s so accurate.

  12. @Rockstar: you blame yourself for being taken in by scammers? Are you an apologist for scammers? Or are you in fact a scammer? And to patronise the readership of this site as sheep is missing something. This site is entertaining and insightful – and generally the persona of a site will be reflected to a certain extent in the persona of the readership. Before you winge about people disagreeing with you – be thankful for it – you might come to understand that compared to the sheep, you are a lamb, and still have some things to learn.

  13. “My role at Human Business Works is to help mid- and large-sized companies understand how emerging business, communications, and technology trends impact sales and marketing.”

    My role is to teach ALL BUSINESSES how ALL SOCIAL CHANGES affect their PROFITS.

    I am a self-facilitating media node of the highest order.

    All changes on the web pass through my microscopic brain filter.

    If you would like to lick the pure filtrate from my wisdom funnel, let’s talk.

  14. @SD

    Thank you for making sharp the lines between what’s okay, what isn’t, and why, online.

    Once you can see the aggregated whole of the IM world, you start to understand that individual practices which might seem defensible on their own, really are not. And you start to recognize the IM taint, and variations on its themes, in places where they are less obvious.

    Prior to reading this blog all I had to go on was a faint sense that something wasn’t right with a lot of what I see out there. But now it’s all so plain.

    The Brogan article, the video, and the comments are the nail in the coffin as far as I’m concerned.

    Thanks again.

  15. So looking back at Chris Brogan’s article with hindsight, I guess his goals in the article were two-fold:

    1) say how well his book did as a way to cause it to do even better

    2) attempt to distance himself from scamworld by saying “dang! look at those nasty scammers getting outted!” and at the same time use the popularity of the “scamworld” search term to increase SEO.

    @SD you messed that up for him both by commenting on his site and of course by writing an article here.

    Good job, @SD! :-)

    Of course Chris did make the daring move of not deleting all the “negative” comments that folks on this site left on that site.

    Maybe he’s trying to show that he really is all about building communities?

    Or maybe Chris, Brian Clark, and the Rick Blogworld CEO guy are all trying to actually follow the piece of advise that you gave close to the end of the Scamworld movie about having to change business tactics if they want to stay in business.

    Maybe…

    Also… just at the moment both Google Chrome and Avast! web filter thingie are telling me Chris’s Trust Agents article has malware on it.


    Furry cows moo and decompress.

  16. I just got back from the Art Institute of Chicago’s Roy Lichtenstein retrospective. (I’m livin’ the freelance copywriter’s life like Harlan Kilstein.) I saw this painting and immediately recognized Lichtenstein must have been the most prescient artist of our time. Shown in his Artist’s Studio collection, it predicts the rise of (alleged) racketeer Chris “‘Curly’ Grogan” Brogan:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/24320537@N06/7876571754/

    (Although Lichtenstein probably pulled it from this Marvel comic, “The Gentlemen of the Jury!”, which is also apropos.)

      1. @SD,

        This morning everyone at work was saying, “We need to go to this before it’s over.” Lichtenstein basically took what we do – commercial art and words – and elevated it to fine art. There wasn’t work for me in the afternoon, so I pedaled on over.

        I thought it was exceptionally well curated, but I wished it was larger. For instance, the Milwaukee museum has a gorgeous Lichtenstein that was not at this exhibition. Inspired by Monet, it’s a waterlily garden painted on a mirror. So when you look at it, you see yourself as part of the art.

  17. But there are a few tips in order to get that ideal crunch and taste.

    Mexican oven fried chicken – add a teaspoon of chili powder
    (combine it with cayenne for an extra kick. 6 medium carrots, cut into 2 inch
    pieces and halved lenghtwise.

  18. Its pretty clear this Salty guy has no understanding of SEO at all. Top guru’s sites get beat all the time by up and coming SEO’s with no connections to anyone. There are case studies every where. I’m not going to do the homework for you, look it up yourself.

    Little advice, instead of trying to put out other people lights, work on your own. Life is too short to be such a negative bitter person. You come across very childish and very immature to grown successful adults.
    Talk to most truly successful people and you will hear a reoccurring theme, they do not have time for gossip and talking shit about people because they are busy doing real things with their life and actually making the word a better place. I don’t see you with a you campaign against the obvious higher corruption in Washington DC. If you want a real battle there there you go. I would love to see you make an actual difference. If you would like help learning SEO I will be glad to share with you the basics and you should be able to take it from there and start ranking your blog for more meaningful post instead of the gossip thing.

    Side Note: My mother is psychologist and her an several of her colleagues mentioned that you clearly have several disorders and should seek help. I myself had to get help several years back and it was the best thing I ever did. Facing our own demons is never easy. It starts with stop putting blame on others and taking responsibility yourself. Seriously man I hope you work through whatever happened to you as a child and let go.

    Also I wanted to mention I saw how you took things out of context (like the media) to try to paint some of these IM guys as so bad but you yourself are coming across as a much more foul person FYI. Regardless of what you think of some of these IM guys and though I don’t agree with all their work many of them have taught technically valid skills of SEO and there is no luck about that, it takes hard work like any other job. I’ve ranked SEO sites in the past and it takes skills and ongoing work and is quite challenge might I add.

    So my question to you is who are you to judge anyone? A psychologist? Erase my post or help me understand how teaching people SEO is not a “real job”?

    So to be a teacher you need a degree? Tell the Dalai Lama that. Do you think it is possible that many student would get a hell of a lot more substance from the Dalai Lama than some hack professor teaching recycled copy paste information?

    Do you suggest that we all work for corporations and make those business owners rich or do you fail to see the simple desire to create the same type of situation individually. Who wouldn’t want to build a online business and work from home. Are you suggesting that a real job is only working in a cubical for some corporation.

    So if i get this straight salty is the moral police while bashing others, pretty big disconnect there bro. Everyone one has different taste excepting that will help you grow and make your life better IMHO. Yes some of these guys courses are really expensive but I got value out of some of the courses. Who are you to judge the value I got out of their course? Everyone one has different taste. Are you going to tell me Moby Dick is a bad book and a scam? Lol

    I would like to understand your logic so feel free to enlighten me on your holy position?

    and no I’m not going to go back and edit my post to be grammatical correct – so take a chill pill grammar nazis

    1. @Chris Sarion ::

      Your Mom and her psychologist friends have diagnosed the sound of my highly stylized fictional voice huh? Ha! Sounds about as useful/meaningful as Chris Brogan. Good luck with all your super suckcessful SEOing bro …
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      http://www.sayhitoyourmom.com/

  19. belittling what other people do makes you no better my friend. SEO is just one of the many things I do. I’m a freelance writer as well sorry no one is cool enough to hang out with you.

    good luck with your shit talking profession lol

    1. @Chris Sarion ::

      Is that what your mommy told you? Anywayz :: good luck with your unedited ungrammatical freelance writings as well.

    2. You really believe the Dalai Lama is uneducated? For your information, ” The Dalai Lama’s education as a Buddhist monk began in earnest when he was six. After eighteen years of intense study, he graduated with the equivalent of a Ph.D in Buddhist metaphysics. It was granted after a three-month oral examination in public before thousands of monks and scholars.

      In 1958 he took preliminary examinations at each of the three monastic universities, Drepung, Sera and Ganden. The final examination was held in 1959 at the Jokhang Temple in Lhasa. That morning, the young scholar was examined by 30 scholars of logic. In the afternoon, he debated Buddhist philosophy with 15 scholars, and in the evening, 35 more scholars tested his knowledge of the canon of monastic discipline and metaphysics.

      The Dalai Lama passed with honours, attaining the highest academic degree of Geshe Lharampa, while under intense political pressure from the Chinese to capitulate to their demands to take over Tibet.” Only an idiot would think the Dalai Lama had no formal education.

  20. “I myself had to get help several years back and it was the best thing I ever did. ” Did your mommy give you the friends and family discount? You need a tune-up, you’re crazier than a shit house rat.

  21. Why do they all have goatees and Buddy Holly glasses? Why do they write one sentence per paragraph?Is it technically poetry then?

    These are the mysteries of life that I would pay $4700 (private session or group) to understand.

    I would.

    Would indeed.

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