Swallow Hard

French for Attorney General

Utah’s Deputy Chief Attorney General :: John Swallow :: wants to replace Mark Shurtleff as the biggest fucking disgrace in the American legal profession … and as the chief legal representative of Utah’s rotting fraud vortex.

Of course the Attorney General is the state’s top legal enforcer :: tasked with prosecuting criminals rather than representing them … but that was back before the the bizarro world ate the real world.

The Salt Lake Tribune reported earlier this year that Swallow was getting most of the money for his campaign from Mark Shurtleff :: or Mark Shurtleff’s shady as the devil donors.

The other leading Republican candidate, Chief Deputy Attorney General John Swallow — who has the endorsement and major financial backing of his boss, Attorney General Mark Shurtleff — raked in $324,710, with Shurtleff providing slightly more than 40 percent of it from his own campaign accounts.

Swallow drew heavily from dietary supplement companies — most prominently Usana and NuSkin — and real estate and wealth “coaching” companies that have traditionally been big supporters of Shurtleff. Swallow had worked as an attorney in the supplement industry before joining the Attorney General’s Office.

“Supplement companies” dot dot dot “coaching companies” :: that’s one way to put it … the wrong way … the way that ignores the math … and the facts … and avoids dealing with the ugly ugliness of the truth … that the whole State has sold itself over to the soul destroying fake power of the pyramid.

Utah’s not a Mormon state :: it’s a Pyramid state … which is oh so much fucking worse.

Eric Peterson at City Weekly :: who was covering this story before the fake robot existed … published a mind blowing audio and article today that should be the beginning of the game changing.

It needs proper framing :: but almost no one can provide that framing because what makes a call like this so mind blowing is far beyond any outsider’s ability to imagine. You really need to be a Scamworld insider :: so I’m going to help … by doing something I usually don’t do.

Editorial ::

In my opinion :: just taking a {I’ve lived and breathed this every second for three years} random guess … here’s what’s prolly happening in this call …

Aaron and Ryan are boiler room syndicate b-teamers. They float around from one shell to the next … always on the edge of fucked. They get trickle down leads and responsibilities from the bigger players :: and hey maybe they can be the fallguys if need be … you don’t want any precious a-teamers taking any falls.

[Aaron and Ryan] approached City Weekly earlier this year out of concern that the state’s regulation of the telemarketing industry is unfair and inconsistent. They also objected to the recommendations made to them by owners of other companies in the industry to ingratiate themselves with state politicians through campaign donations.

They think the a-teamers are using the power of the state as a weapon in “the game” … to keep newcomers from threatening the established powers. That seems so unlikely. Campaign donations with wink winks and looks the other way? Of course. The apparatus of the state actually co-opted into the racketeering process? That’s some old school shit right there … no way.

And yet this audio happened. Aaron calls to talk about his enforcement problems :: without subtlety John Swallow implies that he and AG Marky Mark can take care of this little problem … and that under a Swallow regime pesky Consumer Protection would be put under the dirty vulture wings of the Attorney General’s office.

 

 

Holy shit!

This is how current overlord of Consumer Protection :: Francine Giani … is pictured feeling about giant asshole sellout pig John Swallow …

… don’t mess with Francine … she’s totally serious right now.

Says the Tribune’s frontpage re-tweet of City Weekly’s story

Gov. Gary Herbert’s office said Friday that he’s not interested in restructuring Utah’s consumer protection after attorney general candidate John Swallow told a potential donor in trouble with regulators that he would seek to take over the division if he is elected.

Yeah … not the point.

John Swallow doesn’t want to restructure Consumer Protection either :: they’ve already got things well under control for their crooked “clients” … and even if he did … why the hell would he be talking about it with some boiler room b-teamer?

Nah :: that right there … was a shakedown.

>> bleep bloop

43 thoughts on “Swallow Hard”

  1. What? The state {monopoly on force} perpetuates fraud {for a cut on the action}? Sounds like fear porn conspiracy theory to me. Maybe a STATE would be this corrupt :: but definitely not at the FEDERAL level :: eg Federal Reserve :: ECB, etc.
    btw, Mormonism {not absolving other religious pyramid schemes} IS a pyramid scheme … do the research. Could send you loads more about the corruption of Utah’s AG office :: but you’re doing a great job as is. I hope that one day a good mass of people {Hacker News :: etc.} get behind this site and cause it to go supernova :: sucking ALL the scammers into its vortex :: not just the little minnow fucks like Kern and Dilliard.

    1. @,

      “Maybe a STATE would be this corrupt :: but definitely not at the FEDERAL level :: eg Federal Reserve :: ECB, etc.”

      I know it was a small thing that didn’t get much media attention and hardely anyone is even talking about it any more so I don’t blame you for not noticing but there was this little teensy weeny little issue that involved the housing market that effected some people.

      And some people believe that the federal government had a role to play in it, even as some states tried to prevent it.
      http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2008/01/crashing_the_subprime_party.html

      But that doesn’t mean states are good and the federal government is bad. Quite often it is just a matter of competing corruption.

      1. @HTNMMO & @Anonymous

        You two should get together and form a club.

        Somewhere else.

        Salty has another great post here and it’s guys like you who railroad it into your own little side tangent and personal beliefs.

        @Anonymous, supposedly you “Could send you loads more about the corruption of Utah’s AG office :: but you’re doing a great job as is.” …

        I call bullshit. You don’t have jack. IF you do, post it. Otherwise, go try to assure other strangers of how cool you are somewhere else.

        @SaltydDroid, sorry for taking up the comment space here at the top. I understand the irony of it, but this post has a lot of meat to it and deserves more actual attention… Like Lanna’s post below. Nice work @Lanna.

      1. @Crazy Utah ::

        Thanks that was interesting.

        I like how Channel 4 is all proud of themselves for bringing this up {sort of} in ONE question … three years ago. With such great “journalists” all over the joint it’s a real shocker the whole world is going down the shit tubes.

        Maybe Channel 4 should man up and play this audio …

        http://saltydroid.info/scamming-two-debbies/

        … so people in great fake state of Utah can get started coming to terms with just what an awful :: awful :: so fucking awful … thing they have done.

          1. @Crazy Utah,

            “But currying favor with pro-business politicians doesn’t begin and end with campaign cash. OBO companies also court government through in-kind services, charitable deeds and mutual endorsements.

            And their efforts, at least in Utah, have not been in vain. Indeed, while the Federal Trade Commission has charged multiple Utah telemarketing companies with serious fraud charges, according to Utah’s Administrative Office of the Courts, on the state level there is no record of a felony or misdemeanor conviction against a company or an individual for violating Utah’s Telephone Fraud Prevention Act since the law regulating telemarketers was enacted in 1993.”

            Wow.

            And…double-wow:

            “It was 10:45 p.m. on a cold night in January 2012 when a black car slowly pulled into the driveway of Johanna Quinones’ Sandy home and parked with the engine running. Quinones didn’t recognize the car but feared who might be in it. She quickly called the police. Quinones previously had a restraining order against her ex-husband, Sov Ouk, a Salt Lake City Internet-marketing entrepreneur.

            She was naturally relieved when a patrol car rolled up to her house and an officer approached the idling car. She then watched in amazement as the officer shook hands amiably with the driver, the man she would later find out was Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff. The state’s top attorney had driven her ex-husband to her house, in an act, she says, of intimidation.”

            1. @Jack,

              Yeah, that part, about the intimidation/wanton abuse-of-power-just-because thing

              “It was 10:45 p.m. on a cold night in January 2012 when a black car slowly pulled into the driveway of Johanna Quinones’ Sandy home and parked with the engine running. Quinones didn’t recognize the car but feared who might be in it. She quickly called the police. Quinones previously had a restraining order against her ex-husband, Sov Ouk, a Salt Lake City Internet-marketing entrepreneur.

              She was naturally relieved when a patrol car rolled up to her house and an officer approached the idling car. She then watched in amazement as the officer shook hands amiably with the driver, the man she would later find out was Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff. The state’s top attorney had driven her ex-husband to her house, in an act, she says, of intimidation.”

              That’s the thing that finally makes me outraged at Mark Shurtleff.

              How come this guy gets to be at liberty and in office instead of in prison after crap like that?

  2. Some of the people deep in Scamworld seem to have vestigial consciences. It’s interesting where they draw the line. Mike Filsaime will work with boiler rooms, but not racist boiler rooms. Jensen and Christner will run boiler rooms, but they won’t buy state politicians.

  3. From Swallow’s campaign website as one of his priorities…

    “White Collar Crime

    Utah is a hotbed for financial crimes, and that needs to stop. Utah’s next Attorney General must be prepared to prosecute those who prey on consumers and be tough on criminals who have cheated and deceived Utahns.”

    http://www.johnswallow.com/priorities/

    Does this mean he will withdraw from the race as completely unqualified to handle his own priorities?


  4. They think the a-teamers are using the power of the state as a weapon in “the game” … to keep newcomers from threatening the established powers. That seems so unlikely. Campaign donations with wink winks and looks the other way? Of course. The apparatus of the state actually co-opted into the racketeering process? That’s some old school shit right there

    It doesn’t seem so unlikely to me. The donations themselves are enough to make this level of corruption seem likely, or at least plausible. Well… the donations plus Rod Blagojevich trying to sell a Senate seat plus whichever democrat it was that was investigated by the FBI and found to have ill gotten monies stashed in his friggin’ freezer plus the Citizens United ruling plus the funding sources of almost every major republican candidate ever plus the near collapse of the world banking system in 2008 and all the sweeping reform that’s largely failed to happen since.

    Yeah I know I jumped all over there. It’s just it seems to me the corruption problem thingie is rather wide-spread atm. If we’re very lucky, it might be that Utah represents the bottom of the barrel. In an environment that sleazy, if you are receiving campaign monies from a not-nice source with the implicit agreement that you’ll “look the other way”, then you are only a very tiny nudge away from actively participating in the corruption. (IMHO)

    Also, just to recap on Swallow’s financing sources:

    Swallow drew heavily from

    * dietary supplement companies — pretty scammy–no it’s not that every dietary supplement is a scam, it’s just that most dietary supplements are scams insofar as they haven’t had to go through any rigorous testing for “safe and effective” because they’re not regulated as drugs. Also, “I felt better when I took it” does not count as proof for either safety or efficacy.

    * real estate — has a lot of scam in it, doesn’t it? Just ask Robert Kiyosaki. Also, Jay Van Orden (of Sterling and Jay, Internet Business Mastery) tells us that he got his start with the be-your-own-boss, financial freedom meme through a real estate investment group. Then he figured out that info products were the way to go

    * wealth “coaching” companies — ah how nice. They used the word `”coaching”‘ to refer to the MMO group. Of course some “coaches” coach about “life” (Tim Brownson)

    See how the word `”coaching”‘ has those built-in quotes around it? That’s cuz the word is too slimy to keep in a sentence without them.


    Furry cows moo and decompress.

    1. @Wyrd,

      I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I think this article was too subtle for you.

      They think the a-teamers are using the power of the state as a weapon in “the game”. . . to keep newcomers from threatening the established powers. That seems so unlikely.

      . . .
      It doesn’t seem so unlikely to me.

      Salty says it’s a mother-fucking shakedown!! That’s the punchline. This shit is beyond the AG’s office accepting campaign contributions and looking the other way. This is beyond the AG’s office doing the bidding of the A-teamers and hitting the B-teamers with fines. The AG’s office is running the fucking scam! The AG’s office is the top of the pyramid, the leaders of the cartel. If you pay them protection money, you’ll be allowed to run your little racket. The AG’s office is scamming the scammers!

      The City Weekly quotes John Swallow doing the Chris Bartold style budget probing:

      “OK, so umm … so you ran out of money?” Swallow asks Christner.

      Only once Christner says they’re making money does Swallow offer up the meeting with himself and Shurtleff. Pay for play. Fucking golden.

      . . . most dietary supplements are scams insofar as they haven’t had to go through any rigorous testing for “safe and effective” because they’re not regulated as drugs.

      We can talk about what’s wrong with that another day, on another venue perhaps. You’re letting your demand for Phase III clinical trials of common produce blind you to the real scams.

      The two companies mentioned in the quote from The Salt Lake Tribune – Usana and NuSkin – are not in the business of selling dietary supplements. They are in the business of selling the opportunity to sell dietary supplements. MLMs. Pyramid schemes in the Pyramid state.

      “[R]eal estate and wealth “coaching” companies” is code for boiler rooms like Prosper and PMInot small-time “life coaches” like Tim Brownson.

      According The SL Trib, he was a registered lobbyist for a company in the payday loan industry, i.e., legal loansharking. The same article explains his work “as an attorney in the supplement industry”:

      He also was chief legal counsel for Basic Research, a supplement firm that has clashed with federal regulators over weight loss claims the company has made.

      Founded in 1992, Basic Research hired Swallow in 1998, while he was already in the Utah House of Representatives.

      Swallow had already left Basic Research by 2004, when the FTC filed a complaint against the company, but Westminster College columnist reported:

      Initially, Basic Research told the FTC that part of Swallow’s duties included reviewing ad copy for the products in question, the Salt Lake Tribune reported.

      Basic Research backpedaled on that. In 2006, they were order to pay a $3 million settlement, and in 2009 they were charged with continuing to make baseless claims despite the 2006 order to stop.

      To recap, whatever your position on Centrum and Vitamin C caplets, John Swallow:
      – accepted contributions from pyramid schemes
      – accepted contributions from boiler rooms
      – accepted contributions from loan sharks
      – was alleged to have approved bogus claims for a weight-loss product for children (later redacted)

  5. You know what’s a real shakedown? Business licenses. That’s right: you have to pay a municipality for those pieces of paper to get the privilege of running a business. Oh yeah, and corporate taxes. They’re another shakedown.

    1. @Orenthal ::

      Yeah :: the formalities underpinning civil society are a scam … like vaccinations and herd immunity protecting other people’s childrens.

      dot dot dot

      sod off.

      1. @SD, uhh, whatever you say.

        Oh, by the way, did you know “sod off” isn’t a ‘real’ British idiom? In fact, it was made up by the BBC as a way of getting around censors’ objections to realistic obscenity of the sort used by real, live people. Basically, if you hear someone saying “sod off”, you can figger them as a wannabe Englishman who doesn’t really know very much, or a young Brit (or other) who learned the language by listening to the television.

        I’m not offing anywhere; I like reading your stuff too much. Put me in your banhammer box if I’m too much of a drag.

          1. @SD,

            As a Brit (who at 37 has to admit he is no longer in the first or even second flush of Youth), I can state with certainty that “sod off” has made it into the common lexicon, no matter what its origins…and you used it appropriately.

      2. @SD,

        What are you saying? Formalities don’t underpin society. All that stuff really is a shakedown. Who can keep up with it all and still run a business? That’s part of why it’s so hard for small business owners.

        Vaccines don’t look good. The Pill looks even worse. Cause the FDA is making money on that nasty new stuff when bc’s been around since the dawn of time. It really deserves to be looked at. I know you center on law more than med. As and indie scholar and voracious reader, I can say: a really terrifying amount of conspiracy hypotheses turn up correct. Not all. Using the imagination to do forensic science takes practice, of course. Not everyone’s good at it at first, but imagination is, like, way important.

        ANYWHIZ-
        Shurtleff is disgusting to behold. I wonder what kind of rapey adventures he and his buddy Swallows go on regularly. They’ll probably be caught at it soon.

  6. I hate lexicon nazis. Not complement makes their stupid explanation better. Mister Superman no here.

    1. @SD, Why am I not surprised the connections go that far? A VERY interesting additional spin-off development. Nice!

  7. Indeed. Taxes= scam. The individual must become sovereign.
    Yes, I know, “sod off”.
    But the movement won’t stoppppp.
    Shurtleff is a pussy-oozing rectal belch.

    1. @Stella,

      I’m curious to know how well that individual sovereignty’s going to work once one of your “sovereign” individuals commits one or more violent acts against another. Likely it’ll come down to whoever is quickest or strongest. Someone wrote about this once before already–name of Hobbes. You might wanna look him up. Now I’m not quite as dark as Hobbes.

      But I think having a bunch of “sovereign” individuals roaming around is not the cure-all you seem to propose it as. You might (temporarily) solve the problem of taxes. But what is there in your system to stop some bully from starting the whole thing up again–forcing people to pay tribute or whatever?

      Furry cows moo and decompress.

  8. Mr. Christner (who also goes by the name Vince Scarpuzzi) and Mr. Jensen have made a career out of ripping off all the people around them. Their employees, their “clients”, anyone and everyone they can. Mr. Christner and Mr. Jensen ae about the sleaziest act in town, and when they get caught; they close up shop, change their names and start a new scam.

    Their current scam is called The Black Box Firm. As with their previous companies, Mr. C ad Mr. J are ripping of clients and employees, while sitting in the back getting high as kites smoking pot. Another day, another doobie…

    Earlier today, Mr. Christner and Mr. Jensen missed another day in court; they just couldn’t bother to show up. It is understandable for Mr. Christner- he lost his driver’s license due to a few DUI convictions. Today’s case involved them fraudulently acquiring a Utah telemarketing license, in defiance of many previous orders forbidding either of the two from telemarketing in any way. So this time as in previous times it seems Mr. Christner and Mr. Jensen just used different names and kept at it, selling their bogus coaching and ripping more clients off.

    So, once again, they had their license revoked, and are again forbidden from telemarketing in Utah. John Swallow should look into this perhaps? Maybe he should look into why repeat offenders of consumer laws are just left to not show up to court, and flaunt the courts orders?

    I think it is also a bit disingenuous of The City Weekly writer Eric S. Peterson to write his original article as if he has no previous experience with Messer’s Jensen and Christner. While The City Weekly is no giant bastion of journalism, it is at least worth noting in this article that Mr. Peterson has had an ongoing relationship with Messer’s Jensen and Christner for at least eight months. At least some mention of their ongoing work together should have been disclosed, I think…. if one is to take any of this article serious at all.

    1. @Ari Schwimmer ::

      First of all … let’s not blame it on the weed. They’re prolly also “sitting in the back” eating expensive food and then shitting it out … but we’re not going to blame cows or toilets are we?

      Eric thinks the political corruption is the bigger story :: the more important stort … because he’s right. You think Aaron and Ryan are swinging big dicks in this fucking game? Cause you know jack shit if that’s how you see it. What you describe them doing is what ANYONE who doesn’t care about other people can do right now in the “pretty great state” of Utah.

      “I think it is also a bit disingenuous of The City Weekly writer Eric S. Peterson to write his original article as if he has no previous experience with Messer’s Jensen and Christner.”

      He has years of experience with these beasts … me too. Not the point is it? You think we’re going to figure out the story by only talking to the innocent? Could we talk to you by those rules?

      Me doubts it :: disingenuousness … indeed.

  9. Via an article on Tracy Coenen’s site, I find “Swallow, Shurtleff arrested, face 23 counts, up to 30 years prison”
    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58185969-78/arrested-shurtleff-swallow-john.html.csp

    Apologies if this is a repeat–I’m not sure if the “article follows” from the old site are still active.

    In a different article on Desert News (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765656738/Swallow-Shurtleff-arrested.html),

    [Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gil] expressed his frustrations with the U.S. Department of Justice, which declined to file criminal charges last year.

    “This case is not something we should be prosecuting as local prosecutors,” he said.

    And of course, Shurtleff’s attorney says he thinks there shouldn’t have been any local charges filed at all since the DOJ already investigated and chose not to pursue.

    And I have to kind of wonder at the DOJ–why didn’t they charge Shurtleff and Swallow? Did they just not think it was serious? Did they think it was messier than they wanted to get into? I will just have to wonder I suppose.

    Still it seems like a positive development.


    Furry cows moo and decompress.

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