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infodonor said:
Watch local news coverage:
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=23705403&nid=148&title=man-accused-of-fraud-tried-to-protect-utah-ag-in-plea-deal
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# 13 January 2013 at 10:27 am

Douglas said:
“The Federal Trade Commission first went after Johnson in 2010 with a massive civil complaint filed in Las Vegas, alleging that he had created more than 100 companies online that bilked hundreds of thousands of people out of close to $300 million. Johnson’s companies used pop-up ads and spam to distribute CD’s containing information on how to obtain government grants, grants which — the ads said — could be used to pay rent, mortgages, bills, for travel and for college, and never had to be paid back. But instead of charging just a nominal fee, victims said their credit cards were hit with charges for services they never agreed to.”
Las Vegas Channel 8 News also keeps us apprised of Johnson’s scams at http://www.8newsnow.com/story/20567525/i-team-high-roller-could-face-more-charges
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Lanna Reply:
January 13th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
@Douglas,
KSL calls him “a well-known Utah philanthropist,” but KLAS-TV says he’s a ” high-rolling gambler.” What happens in Vegas comes out in the federal investigations.
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mirele Reply:
January 13th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
@Lanna, Jeremy Johnson is considered a golden boy of Utah, and when he finally goes away to jail for scamming people, the DNews is going to say he was railroaded. Of course, the DNews does little to alert Utahns to scams. Pfffth.
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SD Reply:
January 14th, 2013 at 2:00 am
@Lanna ::
Vegas never forgives/forgets a bounced check …
http://saltydroid.info/evil-ftc-dot-gov/
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Wyrd Reply:
January 14th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
@Lanna,
What happens in Vegas comes out in the federal investigations.

LOL
That’s a much funnier tagline than Vegas’s official one! They probably wouldn’t see it that way though.
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Furry cows moo and decompress.
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# 13 January 2013 at 11:59 am

Jack said:
I BELIEVE Jeremy Johnson. I BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS!
http://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1955/02/20
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# 13 January 2013 at 4:13 pm

BossMan said:
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You think this does not happen every day with big business, why do you think our country is so F Up. I think a government job has way more perks than we all think, for sure in the upper level.
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SD Reply:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:51 am
@BossMan ::
Why don’t you enlist in the Navy then?
So :: so … many perks.
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# 13 January 2013 at 8:22 pm

mirele said:
Ok, I’m going to preface this by saying I lived in Utah for seven years. Those years were made tolerable by the expansion of the Internet. Had I lived there in Brigham Young’s time, I would have tried to escape. Anyway, when I lived there, it appeared to me (and I would regularly say this) that Utah has more kooks per inhabited square mile than anywhere else in the USA.
Now, with that out of the way, let me just ask…do I have to believe ANY of these people? I mean, Jeffrey Johnson is a scam artist who got caught. The Republican lawmakers are, well, Republican lawmakers. (Not saying Democratic lawmakers are any better, but this is Utah, where the GOP has had a stranglehold on power since World War II.)
And, you know, there’s the dead guy, Rawle. What secrets went with him to the grave?
The whole thing is just weird. I’m sure there was some sort of hinky doings, but I suspect the money stayed with Rawle and there was no attempt whatsoever at bribing Reid. (And what could Reid have done? I mean, seriously, that is just stupid thinking.) If there had been, I suspect it would have gone down as occurred when Jack Gordon tried to bribe Reid in the late 1970s. Reid called in the FBI, which set up a sting. Reid is reported (presumably it was recorded) to have said, as he was choking Gordon, “You son of a bitch, you tried to bribe me!” The FBI had to pull Reid off.
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SD Reply:
January 14th, 2013 at 1:53 am
@mirele ::
Senator Reid denies having anything to do with it …
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55623692-78/johnson-swallow-attorney-general.html.csp
“Senator Reid has no knowledge or involvement regarding Mr. Johnson’s case,” his spokeswoman, Kristen Orthman, said in a statement. “These unsubstantiated allegations implying Senator Reid’s involvement are nothing more than innuendo and simply not true.”
If the money had gone toward trying to bribe Reid :: even if the attempt had failed … then JJ prolly wouldn’t be so pissed as to do what he’s just done.
I postulated last year that we had heard Swallow participating in a shakedown …
http://saltydroid.info/swallow-hard/
… this looks like more proof of that.
Double-crossing the GingerKing seems to have been an epic fucking mistake.
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# 13 January 2013 at 8:30 pm

Wyrd said:
My Google alert “mark shurtleff” OR “John Swallow” keeps going off with articles related to this that I don’t have time to actually read. It’s kind of a warm, fuzzy though.
http://utahpolicy.com/view/full_story/21406551/article-What-Happens-if-John-Swallow-Has-to-Resign-?instance=featured_home_policy
http://utahpoliticalcapitol.com/2013/01/13/editorial-swallow-scandal/
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# 14 January 2013 at 12:10 pm

Crazy Utah said:
Look at John Swallow squirm with Fox news last night 1/13/13
http://fox13now.com/2013/01/14/utah-ag-calls-for-investigation-into-bribery-solicitation-allegations/#ooid=doeXJlODpSjzBqvyc4gOHx2T1u2xk_v0
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Wyrd Reply:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:32 am
@Crazy Utah,
John Swallow: “I’ve learned from this experience.” Yeah. Like he’s suddenly learned that it’s totally wrong to do that. Now that he’s elected. More like: now that he got caught.
IMHO, the newscast went far, far too easy on him. They talked about the money, but not enough. Something tells me the dude might manage to get away with even this. Hope not though. There’s a chance he’ll at least lose his position if not go to jail. I guess it’ll take a while to play out.
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Furry cows moo and decompress.
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# 15 January 2013 at 10:57 am

Crazy Utah said:
New petition to have Swallow step down from AG’s office! PLEASE EVERYONE SIGN THIS!!!!
http://www.change.org/petitions/john-swallow-resign-from-office-of-the-attorney-general-of-utah?utm_campaign=new_signature&utm_medium=email&utm_source=signature_receipt&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=url_share&utm_campaign=url_share_before_sign
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Lanna Reply:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
@Crazy Utah,
The Utah Democratic Party also has one. I guess it’s for Utah residents, but I signed anyway. Now they can brag they got people “from across the nation” signing it. Here’s the link:
http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/50383/c/10159/p/salsa/web/common/public/signup?
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SD Reply:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:46 am
@Crazy Utah ::
Well the name on that petition is Aaron Christner … who is a character in the story already.
Instead of my signing that petition :: he could send me some damning info … like the rest of that Swallow tape for instance. I think that would be more useful than starting a petition.
And if it’s not the real Aaron Christner starting the petition :: but instead someone trying to get Aaron Christner fucked over by making it look like he’s doing something he prolly shouldn’t oughta be doing … then that’s weak sauce and I don’t want to sign it.
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Anonymous Reply:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
@SD, hahaha good call! But yes it’s the real Aaron christners petition ;) no bs you want the whole video im sure I can make that happen;)
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Crazy Utah Reply:
January 17th, 2013 at 12:12 am
@SD, ok. I spoke with him and told him to send it you owe me one! Also sign our petition:) but that doesn’t count as my one ;)
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# 15 January 2013 at 4:30 pm

Katie said:
That video is hilarious! He has the nerve to make himself out to be a victim and claims he has no money for an attorney? Has anyone seen his million dollar home he still lives in? Explain to me how his assets were all sold yet he lives on a mansion! He is a scammer and I hope he rots in jail.
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# 16 January 2013 at 5:26 pm

Elaine B. said:
Johnson acting like a victim? Acting is not a skill he has. Please. Stop.
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# 17 January 2013 at 11:38 am

Crazy Utah said:
Thought everyone might enjoy this and told ya the petition was real.. haha
http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/blog-25-8931-former-call-center-owner-starts-petition-for-ags-resignation.html
Also I heard the Tax Clubs Lawyer is a former FTC agent can you verify this or have any thoughts on this hearsay?
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SD Reply:
January 17th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
@Crazy Utah ::
Not true.
But it is interesting that Ms. Archer is with Fulbright & Jaworski…
http://www.fulbright.com/jarcher
… the same firm that got this site banned from the corporate Internet by filing a complaint riddled with false statements and factual errors.
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SD Reply:
January 17th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
And Tedd Johnson’s lawyer …
http://www.venable.com/jeffrey-d-knowles/
Mr. Knowles is nationally recognized as the leading attorney in the direct response television industry.
Well that’s interesting to note. Hello Mr. Knowles :: I’m the motherfucking Salty Droid … and it’s very nice to meet you. I really appreciate what you’re doing to help fuck over vulnerable senior citizens. Oh but I know :: that’s not fair … it’s just an “industry” like any other. Right Jeffrey Knowles?
Venable LLP :: not to be confused with venerable … obviously.
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Jack Reply:
January 17th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
@SD, Perry Belcher should have got him, because mr. Knowles made statements at the FTC Greenlight workshop in 2003:
Substantiating Health and Safety Claims
How the FTC applies the “competent and reliable scientific evidence” standard to claims for dietary supplements, weight loss products, and other health-related merchandise
Speakers:
Matthew Daynard, Federal Trade Commission
Jeffrey Knowles, Venable, L.L.P.
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Lanna Reply:
January 17th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
@SD,
Knowles got a byline on this Response Magazine article on telemarketing, robocalls, and the Do Not Call list. Check out the bit about the FTC considering “the consumer’s expectations of receiving the call” when affiliates like The Tax Club use purchased, rented, or borrowed leads.
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Jack Reply:
January 17th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
@Lanna, I think it’s as long as the telemarketer pretends to be some of a company the consumer has a prior relationship with it’s probably OK, which I guess is what maybe http://thetaxclubnyc.blogspot.com/ is trying to tell us about The Tax Club scripts?
“I have posted the scripts at the end of this so you can see what was being fed to us. Literally, word for word. Most of the salesmen would not know what to do if the conversation steered off the script, bar a few experienced salesmen who could wing it. The first step of the call was to associate The Tax Club with another company that the potential customer was already familiar with, such as a forum or conference that they attended, or a website used to register a business. These included but were not limited to:
The Learning Annex
Legal Zoom
NMA
Wealth Intelligence Academy
Stores Online”
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Lanna Reply:
January 18th, 2013 at 12:32 am
@Jack,
“LAN line”? No script for S corps? “[O]ne federal & one state return each year you are a member” but no quarterly filings? What a joke!
The FTC issued some regulatory doublespeak regarding pretending to be another company.
The [Telemarketing Sales] Rule requires that a telemarketer making an outbound sales call promptly disclose the following four items of information truthfully, clearly, and conspicuously:
The identity of the seller. The seller is the entity that provides goods or services to the consumer in exchange for payment. The identity of the telemarketer, or person making the call, need not be disclosed if it is different from the identity of the seller. If the seller commonly uses a fictitious name that is registered with appropriate state authorities, it is fine to use that name instead of the seller’s legal name.
We know they’re talking about a registed DBA name, but how is a jury gonna interpret that? Fictitious names are OK?
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Jack Reply:
January 18th, 2013 at 12:36 am
@Lanna,
“Hi, this is Tim calling on behalf of THE TAX CLUB, INC., also doing business as SUCCESS MERCHANT SERVICES, CORPORATE TAX NETWORK, CORPORATE CREDIT, and E-TAX HOTLINE 8882790191, a Utah corporation
OR
MANHATTAN PROFESSIONAL GROUP, INC., also doing business as THE TAX CLUB, BOOKEEPING SERVICES, BOOKKEEPING SERVICES, IKONGO, ESSENTIAL PLANNING, CORPORATE TAX NETWORK, BUSINESS DOCUMENT CENTER, THE SUCCESS PLANNING GROUP, ALL ACCESS BOOKS, and VITAL PAYROLL, a New York corporation,
OR
5410, INC., also doing business as INTERNET MARKETING SUCCESS, THE SUCCESS PLANNING GROUP, SUCCESS PLANNING GROUP 2, SUCCESS ONLINE, BUSINESS CREDIT, SUCCESS MERCHANT PROCESSING, REAL ESTATE WIRE, DAY TRADE TEAM, FUNDING FASTTRACK, CORPORATE
CREDIT, CORPORATE CREDIT 2, and PRESTIGE FINANCING SERVICES, a Wyoming corporation,
OR
MARBLE BASE, INC., also doing business as • BUSINESS RESOURCES, CORPORATE SOLUTIONS, BUSINESS SUCCESS, BUSINESS SERVICES, ONLINE DEVELOPMENT, and JADE SEEK, a Wyoming corporation,
6015, LLC, also doing business as CYPRESS”.
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Lanna Reply:
January 18th, 2013 at 12:40 am
@Lanna, or better:
“Hi, this is Tim calling on behalf of SUCCESS MERCHANT SERVICES, CORPORATE TAX NETWORK, CORPORATE CREDIT, and E-TAX HOTLINE 8882790191, a Utah corporation
OR
MANHATTAN PROFESSIONAL GROUP, INC., also doing business as THE TAX CLUB, BOOKEEPING SERVICES, BOOKKEEPING SERVICES, IKONGO, ESSENTIAL PLANNING, CORPORATE TAX NETWORK, BUSINESS DOCUMENT CENTER, THE SUCCESS PLANNING GROUP, ALL ACCESS BOOKS, and VITAL PAYROLL, a New York corporation,
OR
5410, INC., also doing business as INTERNET MARKETING SUCCESS, THE SUCCESS PLANNING GROUP, SUCCESS PLANNING GROUP 2, SUCCESS ONLINE, BUSINESS CREDIT, SUCCESS MERCHANT PROCESSING, REAL ESTATE WIRE, DAY TRADE TEAM, FUNDING FASTTRACK, CORPORATE
CREDIT, CORPORATE CREDIT 2, and PRESTIGE FINANCING SERVICES, a Wyoming corporation,
OR
MARBLE BASE, INC., also doing business as • BUSINESS RESOURCES, CORPORATE SOLUTIONS, BUSINESS SUCCESS, BUSINESS SERVICES, ONLINE DEVELOPMENT, and JADE SEEK, a Wyoming corporation,
6015, LLC, also doing business as CYPRESS…
…one of which is a DBA/FBN for some sort of business you have an existing relationship with.”
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Lanna Reply:
January 18th, 2013 at 12:48 am
@Jack,
The Easter Bunny, also doing business as Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and The Great Pumpkin, a Cayman Islands corporation.
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Jack Reply:
January 17th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
@Crazy Utah, Maybe thinking of this:
http://www.law360.com/articles/320746/venable-lures-ftc-leader-over-to-ny-office
“Law360, Chicago (March 19, 2012, 6:53 PM ET) — Venable LLP said Monday it had snapped up a Federal Trade Commission regional director for its New York office who brings skills the firm said will boost its consumer protection, advertising and antitrust prowess.
Leonard L. Gordon, who previously served as the FTC’s northeast regional director for the past four years, joined Venable as a partner in its advertising and marketing and antitrust practices, the firm announced.
Jeffrey Knowles, chair of Venable’s advertising, marketing and new media practice, called Gordon an “outstanding addition” who brings valuable…”
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SD Reply:
January 17th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
@Jack ::
Well then :: same firm and same practice group … so yeah I guess it is almost fair to say that a former FTC lawyer is on the case for Tedd Johnson.
http://www.venable.com/leonard-l-gordon/
And he went to GW … fucking great.
Oh wells … new toys!
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# 17 January 2013 at 2:01 pm

Crazy Utah said:
Trib is doing an excellent job of releasing new info in swallow every few hours.. Ya I said “every few hours”
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile2/55652673-218/swallow-rawle-johnson-says.html.csp
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile2/55650614-218/agreement-attorney-commission-general.html.csp
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# 17 January 2013 at 11:40 pm

Crazy utah said:
Thanks everyone for answering that. Much quicker than anticipated:) interesting interesting.
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# 17 January 2013 at 11:54 pm

Crazy Utah said:
Y’all will live this article. Explains how Johnson has control over the AG since back in 2006-2007
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile2/55652522-218/county-johnson-lake-salt.html.csp
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SD Reply:
January 18th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
@Crazy Utah ::
Holy shit. That’s complicated :: and it reads like its been written by an accountant {ha ha} … but I still find it shocking. So the whole New Frontiers / “lost boys” thing :: Shurtleff’s supposed moral cover for friending up JJ in the first place … was also a total fucking scam?!?
This hurried-up, non-contractual, illegally administered arrangement between Salt Lake County and New Frontiers had another, hidden purpose. According to the currently pending FTC complaint against Johnson, he funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars through NFF as a conduit for his “grant-a-day” program operated through I-Works. Through our review of audited financial statements of NFF, and direct testimony from Benward, we verified these allegations in the FTC complaint.
This is just another case of Johnson running a “philanthropic cover” to conceal ill-gotten gains. And, most disturbing, is the fact that his $200,000-plus campaign donations to Shurtleff purchased political influence that led to taxpayer funding of this ugly arrangement.
Utah’s new attorney general, John Swallow, was involved directly in Shurtleff’s fundraising efforts. I have come to believe that Johnson fell into the trap of imagining that putting up appearances as a “good-guy philanthropist” would wipe away and cover up his baser activities as a clever fraudster.
Wow. That’s crazy.
Over the years I’ve heard that the “lost boys” are part of the Southern Utah boiler room staffing solution … but I’ve never exactly been able to confirm that. If anybody out there wants to talk about it … now’s a good time.
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# 18 January 2013 at 7:43 pm

Crazy Utah said:
@sd,
Yeah it’s intense! Nice cover for sure. Also another article. You will like this one. Swallow and Johnson on his house boat together.
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile2/55660802-218/swallow-johnson-rawle-statement.html.csp
This one gives statements from swallow and shuttleff which is hilarious…
especially how these elected turds don’t think outside consulting is a problem while being in public office…?
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mirele Reply:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:43 am
@Crazy Utah,
Wow, this is edging into first-class whacked-out political scandal territory.
How is this legal? I mean, if you’re working full time for the AG as an assistant AG, how is that you can lease out your services to someone else at the same time??
And I know, you can tell me it’s Utah, they do things differently there, and yeah, I’d buy it. But ethically, it’s wrong.
Here’s the non-mobile link:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55652673-90/swallow-rawle-johnson-says.html.csp
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Wyrd Reply:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:57 am
@mirele,
In the video interview I saw, even when J. Swallow was trying to be contrite and mea-culpa-ish regarding the recorded conversation with JJ, Swallow still defended the “independent contracting” he did back when he was deputy AG. IIRC, he basically said that it was common for UT deputy AGs to have additional employment outside of their function as deputy AG. When he was pressed on the specifics of what the “consulting” work involved, he said he (now!) didn’t want to interfere the with on-going investigation and he actually got a bit defense at one point and referenced how this is a free market economy and that two parties can basically contract with one another for just about anything and that, that’s a private matter.
So take that, electorate! Take that, general public!
But what I’m wondering is why is all this coming out just now? Why did JJ wait until just after the election to out Swallow? Is it somehow more effective this way?
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Furry cows moo and decompress.
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mirele Reply:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:30 am
@Wyrd, It’s Utah. If Johnson had come out before the election and said this, Swallow would have still gotten elected, because he’s the R on the ticket. There are way too many people belonging to a certain religious organization who think the (R) after the name stands for “Righteous.” And of course, after the election, the thing gets buried….
However, if you’re really wanting to bollix things up, waiting until after the election is the way to go. Because the guy who replaces Swallow is going to have to be (relatively) as pure as the driven snow (or at least not as dirty as the snow in Salt Lake after a week-long stationary inversion). And since Jeremy Johnson IS going to prison, he’s going to take down as many people as he can. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that the entire AG’s office is similarly ethically compromised.
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# 19 January 2013 at 2:21 am

Crazy Utah said:
@mirele,
You would be surprised how many people are vulnerable now. Stay tuned…
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# 19 January 2013 at 12:49 pm

This Guy said:
Whoever posted the Youtube video has been censoring unfriendly comments. Imagine that.
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Lanna Reply:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
@This Guy,
But leaving the replies to them. Dumb.
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SD Reply:
January 20th, 2013 at 1:22 am
@This Guy ::
It took them more than 24 hours to delete my comments … noobs.
Billions of dollars flows into Utah’s Internet Marketing “industry” … and they still can’t figure out YouTube.
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# 19 January 2013 at 10:20 pm

This Guy said:
I hate to give attention to this, but…check this shit out:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-independent-investigator-subpoena-power-investigate-instances-doj-bullying-extorsion-and/ZrDymCLq?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
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Lanna Reply:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
@This Guy,
Bleh! That’s disgusting to tie together Aaron Swartz, who worked on tech like RSS and Reddit and basically gave it away for free, with Jeremy Johnson, who made up get-rich-quick B.S. and sold it for people’s last dimes.
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# 20 January 2013 at 7:17 pm

mirele said:
The FTC upped the ante against Jeremy Johnson by going after his family. Looks to me like Johnson was hiding assets by transferring them to his wife, parents and others.
“The FTC has asked the Nevada federal judge presiding over its lawsuit against Johnson, I Works and related companies and other employees to amend it to include Johnson’s wife, Sharla, and parents, Barbara and Kerry Johnson, and five family-related companies.
“The proposed new complaint says those named received $22 million, including $1 million worth of silver coins or bars that went to Kerry Johnson. The FTC contends those transfers, from the $275 million taken in by I Works, were improper because the company engaged in illegal marketing practices.
“FTC spokesman Frank Dorman said in an email that the new complaint is aimed at recovering monies that went to Johnson’s wife and parents ‘to which the relief defendants have no rightful claim. The FTC seeks to disgorge these funds from them in order to increase the amount available for consumer refunds, should the FTC win its case.’”
And wow, what about a million dollars in silver bars/coins? Hmmm…
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/55685379-79/agency-attorney-companies-complaint.html.csp
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Wyrd Reply:
January 23rd, 2013 at 8:34 pm
@mirele,
JJ will no doubt spin this into his on-going persecution narrative.
And yeah, those are all crazy-ridiculous sums of money to me.
Oh, but JJ’s narrative he’s broke or something, right? Yeah ok. Whatever.
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Furry cows moo and decompress.
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# 23 January 2013 at 8:23 pm

Crazy Utah said:
Sorry this is the mobile link. John swallows FBI investigation confirmed. Also the department of justice.
Sorry it’s the mobile link:( I’m being lazy
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# 25 January 2013 at 8:18 pm

Crazy Utah said:
The Ginger King strikes again…. IF Swallow bounces back from this recording. I would officially say he has 9 lives.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55717936-78/johnson-swallow-reid-senator.html.csp?page=1
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Wyrd Reply:
January 29th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
@Crazy Utah,
Yep, John, do like JJ said. Meet face to face. And just hope the other party isn’t wearing a wire.
{natch}
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Jack Reply:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:03 am
@Wyrd, Face to face…

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# 29 January 2013 at 11:16 am

Crazy Utah said:
Can it be???? Utahans finally pulling their heads out of their asses?????
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=23905788&nid=148&title=poll-says-majority-of-utah-voters-want-swallow-to-resign&s_cid=queue-6
I think we are getting somewhere….. I really can’t believe Swallow is still taking these punches on the chin. What a mess……
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Jack Reply:
January 31st, 2013 at 1:01 am
@Crazy Utah, So the recent KSL-Gun Sales stories pointed out KSL being owned by the Mormon Church. Did I miss it here on SD somewhere?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSL_(radio)
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Anonymous Reply:
February 23rd, 2013 at 10:11 pm
@Jack,
Yep ksl and the Deseret News are owned by the LDS church too. The church is a powerful business.
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# 30 January 2013 at 2:01 pm

Crazy Utah said:
You know shit is going down when Mark Shurtleff is covering his tracks the best he can by trying to team up with the Mormons
The LDS church has hired Shurtleff to Lobby for them in Nevada about the immigration laws with prez obama…. OF course Shurtleff has to team up with one of the most powerful firms “cults” in Utah. Everyone needs Friends after the Swallow Scandal
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55726904-90/church-compact-general-http.html.csp
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# 30 January 2013 at 2:05 pm

Jack said:
Jeremy Johnson exclusive with Fox news.
http://fox13now.com/2013/01/30/jeremy-johnson-john-swallow-shook-me-down/
Damn, Jeremy seems to have the obvious tell there.
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# 31 January 2013 at 12:53 am

SGU4LIFE said:
You are completely wrong, his name is NOT the GINGER KING!!???!!
It’s THE MORMON Bernie Madoff, Get your facts straight!!
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# 2 April 2013 at 6:20 pm

InTheKnow said:
And it just keeps going…
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56449227-78/swallow-division-merrill-utah.html.csp
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Jack Reply:
June 16th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
@InTheKnow, And NYTimes made a long article on the front page of the paper version and here is the online version:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/business/in-utah-a-local-hero-accused.html?pagewanted=all
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Jack Reply:
June 16th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
@Jack,

“By creating different entities, they would be able to identify more easily who was committing fraud against them,” said Ms. Porter, the lawyer for I Works. “This is a recognized method of combating fraud.”
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lanna Reply:
June 16th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
@Jack,
The e-mail came from an official-sounding account: ftcdocuments@gmail.com.
Is Gmail what passes for official-sounding at the New York Times? No wonder The Guardian is getting all the important leaks and the Times is barely keeping up with Salty and the Salt Lake Tribune.
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Jack Reply:
June 17th, 2013 at 12:04 am
@Lanna, Maybe somebody can get the newyorktimesdocuments@gmail.com and send NYT some fun internal memos…

It’s up for getting now.
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Wyrd Reply:
June 17th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
@Jack, @Lanna,
Yeah that NYT article has the problem that when I read it, it doesn’t sound like neutral voice but more like I-like-him-because-of-Haiti-but-I’m-supposed-to-not-like-him internal conflict voice.
So some remarks about quotes from the article.
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Back when JJ was a child…
“He whipped up some tears and told her ‘my shoes are in the box,’ ” Andy Johnson recalled. When the baby sitter crawled in to retrieve the shoes, the brothers gave the box a gentle push downstairs. “I think that was the end of the baby sitter.”
Ah, kids and their crazy pranks that can get people killed. Ah, for fun!
Note the con job and the appeal to sympathy. Note also that the brother, fully grown now, apparently doesn’t realize that this particular memory-chestnut might not exactly cast JJ in the best possible light.
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Here’s a lol-moment regarding JJ’s sites like EvilFTC.com. The FTC asked the courts to shut them all down. The court mostly refused (free speech-rah-rah-rah) but the judge had this to say:
Mr. Johnson had won the first skirmish in his campaign against the government, but the judge did admonish him not to go too far. Referring to a site that Mr. Johnson had set up to criticize the receiver, which he called “RobbEvansfraud.com,” Judge Hunt said, “You need to understand, sir, you are accused in this case of using the Internet to deceive people.”
The judge added: “When you use this procedure, process of multiple Web sites, which, in the court’s view, deceive or intended to misrepresent or deceive or mischaracterize the court, its appointed receiver or a governmental agency, it’s going to be difficult for you to convince me that you do not use the Internet to deceive at the time of trial.”
Ah but then there’s the ending to the article..
“I would hate to think there is someone bigger than Jeremy out there that we missed,” said Professor Vladeck, the former F.T.C. official. “In this field, Jeremy is a whale.”
… So what I guess Herbalife is just Too Big To Prosecute? And how about those TooBigToFail banks that we bailed out? How’s that working out?
I mean I guess it’s like–if you want to succeed in evil, you have to stage a program to get the evil to be socially acceptable first. Maybe that’s where JJ messed up. He got too big too fast. Oh well. He’s a lumberjack and he’s ok.
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Furry cows moo and decompress.
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Anonymous Reply:
June 17th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
@Jack, “Local Hero” that’s great. Easy to be a hero when you’re giving away other people’s $.
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# 15 June 2013 at 7:13 am

Marz said:
I’m five years older than this wanker and yet he looks about 10-15 years older than me… gee, he must be under soooo much stress over all these years defrauding so many people. Could he actually have a guilty conscience or is it more of the dorian grey effect backfiring on him.
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