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whatthewhat said:
Nice work on bringing some perspective. There is this weird limbo period where some of these scammers are simultaneously victim and predator.
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Perspective Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:12 pm
@whatthewhat,
Perspective indeed. And it’s clear that only the Droid has his sights on the forest. There’s no telling where he’s going with it. But I assure you that he has something up his robotic sleeve.
He’s teasing all of us. And he’s teasing the baddies.
And they’re getting so riled up in their egos that they’re volunteering all kinds of dirt, thinking only of themselves.
I’m sure we will get our ittyspider shit storm. But there’s more to this than meets the proverbial “french for trade union.”
Hold on to your panties defenders of the scammers, the best is yet to come methinks!
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Plop - The Sound that Terds Make Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 9:24 pm
@Perspective,
Boy, am I excited for the next installment. This is better than LOST.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:36 pm
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@Plop – The Sound that Terds Make, I hear they have soap operas on during the day. It might hold you over until the next installment. Or maybe you can turn to Big Brother or Jersey Shore. pathetic.
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RT Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:49 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi,
Why are YOU here 24/7? If you are not Naomi then why is this so personal for you?
Before you waste your comment asking me the same I’ll answer now … “For the entertainment of course.”
Never heard of dumbford before these posts and don’t really care much about her.
But Salty’s blog is like watching people cained in public for their wrong doings.
Way better than a soap opera or Jersey Shore.
Plus I think what he is doing here will ultimately be taught in text books … especially if one of these wankers finally decides to sue him. It will help define 1st amendment rights and help others that want to express dissent have the ability to do so with confidence.
You should just chill out and get yourself some popcorn this is good stuff … unless of course you are a scammer (or Naomi).
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:56 pm
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@RT, thank you for asking, actually….because there are two platforms I will stand on and fight tooth and nail against – one is bullying (did you know cyberbullying has caused more deaths than IRL bullying?) and the other is violence against women, and this gets very personal for me, since my own mother was a victim in much the same way Dave’s mom was attacked, and now Naomi, for as you admit, “your own entertainment”. You, my friend, are contributing to both. Your self-professed delight in all of this makes you a total douchebag. You may look up to this public “caner”, but be assured, you and SD are in no way helping humanity.
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Carol Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:06 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, You are despicable. Lies and deceptions do nothing to help women. They make things worse, and REAL victims then don’t get the attention they deserve. I can’t believe someone would try to use all women as a shield to cover their own selfish actions. You sicken me.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:16 pm
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@Carol, wtf? that makes no sense whatsoever. they aren’t lies. it’s all there. you refuse to see it because you’d have to admit you’ve been siding with the real fraud and his murderously inclined counterpart.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 9:55 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi,
*You’re
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# 31 August 2011 at 5:22 pm

Enlightened (Formerly Confused) said:
Good grief.
There was this post today as well: http://ittybiz.com/sometimes-the-bad-guys-win/
What is upsetting about her post is she does not own up to the fact that they are indeed in a relationship. And even if they claim it was not an affair – it must have been an emotional one at least because you don’t leave your wife unless there’s been some sort of chat like “Hey, I think I want to be with you instead of her”.
Also, she thanks her colleagues for standing by her but his are not standing by him: they are the same group of people.
What is really disgusting is the last 2 lines:
“What I DO know is that Roseanne Navarro laid low and waited for it to pass.
She didn’t feed the trolls.”
You cannot compare your fiasco and the situation here on SD to that of the murder of a woman. That’s disgusting.
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That being said, SD –> How do you know that account from “Jacob” wasn’t Anthony? Also, Anthony left this comment in your last post:
” And in David & my case, indeed, when I was 13 our mother felt her “needs” were more important than raising her family and she too left us children to fend for ourselves, as I helped raise my brother for several years alongside my father until I went off to college.”
So that does show that Anthony sides with his father – even now. Which given the murder and jail situation, I don’t truly understand.
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Bottom line, I side with you SD, but I want to make sure you have all the facts. Which I’m sure you do.
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SD Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 5:37 pm
@Enlightened (Formerly Confused) ::
Anthony and Roseanne split up first … Dave and Anthony were with their father in NY. You can go read that story in the paper … it’s pretty crazytown … and I’m sure we don’t need to get too into the details over here.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:43 pm
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@SD, but Anthony Jr is as inclined to his father’s ways as his father was. This was proved by his comments to you and by his email to Dave that Naomi posted today (which I am sure was cleared by her attorney). You are conveniently ignoring Enlightened’s point. And, by the way, you have now completely aligned yourself with Anthony Jr. by persecuting Dave in the public eye, just like Anthony Jr., by taking Anthony’s side (which is in fact taking Anthony Sr’s side) and by thinking there is no other way or truth and right other than your own. I was waiting for you to beg Dave to see the light and come home.
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SD Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:05 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi ::
I just went and read Naomi’s lameness … I’ve been putting it off cause her writing makes me want to hurl and pluck my own eyes out .
That post was worse than the last one … wow!
I sure hope Anthony Jr. doesn’t plot to kill his brother’s “best friend” just like his father did. Wait … what?
Here’s the “side” I’m taking hotcakes :: Naomi Dunford is FINISHED in Interent Marketing. I thought I was going to have to do it with truths … but then she did it for me cause I called her fattie.
Calling a narcissist fattie has yet to fail … I almost don’t need to do anything else … fattie.
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# 31 August 2011 at 5:28 pm

_cartman_ said:
nice work dude…I like the way you tied everything together…
It explains why Naomi put herself in the victim post….and she obviously knew where this was going…..
and @Your Gonna Say I am Naomi…why did your precious Naomi put up an email only from Dave’s brother, but NOT put up the mysterious death threat emails…which her WHOLE fucking post was centered around…
Oh yeah….could it be because she read the post or the tweets about the FBI and terrorism….yeah could be….the threat seems to have softened as well…but you know…strange things like that happen when they are false….and used to play the victim card…
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:45 pm
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@_cartman_, well, if i were Naomi’s attorney, I would advise her against it, since she has nothing to prove to you and everything to protect of her own. Even SD knows this, but wouldn’t dare tell you non-legal thinking drones.
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_cartman_ Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:14 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi,
You’re a little fucking slow aren’t you….
(The death threats did not come from the owners of the websites, but from their fans.)
really…now…how do you think she would know where they came from….especially when she just claimed everyone hates her suckcess…and specially suckcessful women….
WAIT…I know…maybe they were signed….
“From the fans of mean website 1 & 2″
or maybe they are fake…and only someone who created them can claim WHO and who did NOT send them…
now go play with your mock attorney colleagues…
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:17 am
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@_cartman_, not worth a reply because the answer is too obvious.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:07 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi,
Not worth a reply because you can’t know who sent them but to blame them on mean site #1 or 32 is a better story and in support of your lies
For someone who isn’t Naomi you know an awful lot of ‘facts’
Naomi sells BS products to unsuspecting noobies who dont know better…she got called out on it
your complaining about the dog biting you after you pulled the dogs tail
You stole from innocent people who dont know your BS advice is BS
You got called out on it
Your blaming the person calling you out on it
You did this to yourself with your lies and thievery
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Gus Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 8:37 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi,
You may not be Naomi – perhaps Mr. Brian Clark? Your arrogance gives you away Mr. Attorney
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# 31 August 2011 at 5:35 pm

MSM said:
@Enlightened:
Why can’t we compare this situation to “that fiasco”? Roseanne’s situation started the same way as Dave’s — with a bunch of judgmental pricks who don’t respect a person’s right to divorce. It’s even the same family (in fact, another member with the SAME NAME) that started it, and now they’ve gotten a bunch of other people on their side to try and bring down the person they don’t want to let go. The largest difference between the two cases is that “Roseanne” is twice as many letters as “Dave.”
You can disagree with the value of Dave’s services — I certainly do — but supporting harassment and death threats is even less cool than providing advice of questionable utility.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +5
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Enlightened Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 6:20 pm
@MSM, I honestly think the entire thing is messed up. I do not disagree with you regarding what happened to Roseanne and I want to believe that Dave is unable to see his sons and it’s not by choice, however, it’s hard to know what to believe when the latest Ittybiz post tells you only some of the story. That’s my beef.
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Perspective Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:28 pm
@MSM, @Enlightened,
The threats are a red herring. This blog has few tight themes with a free speech tangent from time to time (My father is Li Gang, bitches!).
From my experience reading other stories here, I bet that this series is, yet again, about dishonesty and fleecing of customers.
The point of the story, or the shit storm as Salty would say, is yet to come.
This stuff is just the background and there is lots of lying and spinning by the expurt bloggers from the 3rd Tribe. They just spinnning and spinning
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Perspective Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:29 pm
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# 31 August 2011 at 5:50 pm

Sundog said:
It’s really a sha,e how these things perpetuate in families. That said, it seems like Naomi and Dave didn’t have an affair. Dave’s real mistress was the Internet dream.
That said, I’m not that interested in all this sex stuff, and looking forward to tomorrow. I have a feeling this all ties in to Brian Clark running his own French word for trade union and detailing the effects it has on the B-team. I care much more about the business practices than their seedy personal lives.
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Sundog Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 5:54 pm
@Sundog, I meant shame. Thanks, spelling
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Chuck Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 8:02 pm
@Sundog, When you say, “didn’t have a mistress,” I assume you meant he had 2 but favored one. You also said you care “more about business practices than seedy personal lives.” You need to rethink that. Integrity is not some kind of bi-directional faucet. If that faucet isn’t working for other people, you can never be sure that it won’t break down for you when you need it.
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Sundog Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 9:39 pm
@Chuck, I guess it’s an indicator of their character, but i really don’t care about people’s sex lives. That’s a slippery slope.
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Carol Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:10 pm
@Sundog, It’s more than “sex” lives when other people are involved.
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SD Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 3:00 am
@Sundog ::
Lot’s of the stories here make some attempt to illustrate how this bullshit causes real suffering in real lives … and how the agressive culture of lies really does make people do shit they wouldn’t have done “but for” the bullshit culture.
This is that … it really does trivialize a lot of horror to call it people’s “sex lives”.
Personally :: if I had a son who said “Dad please come home” to me on Twitter … I’d at least ReTweet.
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Sundog Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@SD,
So do you mean to imply that Dave is a victim here?
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Frank Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 1:02 pm
@Sundog,
“Or maybe I should wait for the whole story before I speak.”
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Sundog Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:57 pm
@SD,
And I don’t mean to trivialize any of the things the Navarro family has been through, but you could condense this story to “man meets new woman on business trip, decides to abandon family” and you’d have one of the oldest stories in the book, yknow? And it wouldn’t be inaccurate, from what we’ve seen so far.
So when I say “sex lives,” I mean that I fail to see how that’s remarkable or related to the work that you do. If the dots connect to Dave leaving his family because they don’t want him to be a Copyblogger, that’s one thing. But a guy abandoning is family is sadly common.
Or maybe I should wait for the whole story before I speak.
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shitstorm Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@Sundog,
I agree
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# 31 August 2011 at 5:53 pm

Oh, Salty... said:
You were doing such a good job until “fake death threats”.
Now you’ve gone and actually lied. You don’t know that it’s true that Naomi didn’t receive death threats, but you’re presenting it as fact.
And that, sir, is defamation of character. That, Mr. Droid, is libel. And you can go ahead and redact it if you want – the internet is forever, after all, isn’t it?
Lots of talk around here about “due diligence”. Have any of you done any, or are you just agreeing with Mr. Droid when he attacks people because it’s fun to sling mud and it’s gratifying to have a release for your frustrations?
Can you prove she didn’t receive death threats?
Can you prove Dave’s in a relationship with Naomi, “Enlightened”, or ever was?
Can any of you prove any of your allegations?
Do any of you actually know any of the actual back-story here, even second-hand? Mr. Droid sure doesn’t. All of his information is third-hand at best. Telephone was a fun game when we were eight, Mr. Droid. Let’s stop playing it now that we’re adults.
It is great fun to sling mud. The problem is, you end up covered in more of it than the person you’re slinging at.
Take care.
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Huh? Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:04 pm
@Oh, Salty…, The problem is not that SD is proving anything, but rather if Naomi’s going to say she’s received death threats, and then indict SD and his readers on her blog, saying they sent them, saying that they were going to kill her and anyone around her at a specific place and time, the burden of proof is ON HER. Not on SD.
She has yet to post any emails, and even admitted she hasn’t contacted legal authorities, yet she’s using names (Nathan Hangen, for one) and places in quite the libelous manner herself. If the things she says happened, she needs to prove them, publicly. Just as she’s stated them publicly.
When one cries wolf, and can’t prove it after having been called upon to do so, then it’s they who are to be assumed to be lying. Period.
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Sundog Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:11 pm
@Huh?, All the Nathan Hangen stuff is public on Letters to Dave and Twitter
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Perspective Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:40 pm
@Huh?,
I read all of the comments here and on http://letterstodavenavarro.com
There were no death threats on either site.
If she received telephonic death threats, she may not be able to produce recordings. But it seems like she was suggesting written threats.
So she should produce the written threats by providing it or them to law enforcement. Or if she wants to wage the battle in the public arena, she should post the written and/or email threats.
Ever heard of the man confiscating a computer when executing a search warrant? It is amazing what a geek can find on a computer and on the intertubes.
That’s why I ain’t falling for her story. To be quite honest, I genuinely hope that she’s lying because nobody deserves to be victimized like that.
But, IMO, she’s a LIAAARRR!
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SD Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 9:26 pm
@Oh, Salty… ::
The death threats are a lie … which I know for fact certain because her initial post laying out the “threats” relied on misquoting me … including two things I said publicly that didn’t sound even remotely threatening in context.
That makes her assertions not just lies … but idiotic lies. The proof of their falsity was embedded within the claims themselves.
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Follower Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:41 pm
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… So you’re saying she never got death threats?
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Dale Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:12 pm
@Follower, You’re saying there is proof she received death threats? Details and specifics are always welcome.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:15 pm
@Follower,
she used parts of quotes out of context and left it to her readers to conclude they came from SD
salty posted his full quotes above..she lied
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last laugh Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 1:21 pm
@Oh, Salty…,
Epic comment – and Epic end result. the shit storm always follows
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# 31 August 2011 at 5:55 pm

Danielle said:
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You Sir, need a hobby!
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Perspective Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:57 pm
@Danielle,
But he’s soooooo good at what he does! And as Mike Koenings, genius video local secret marketer himself would probably say, its a Win-Win-Win!
Salty outs the scammers and has a blast in the process. WIN!
Victims break free from the marketing cult’s hypnotic belief in unicorns. Dollars are saved. Lives are saved from inevitable ruin. WIN!
True readers (i.e. that read books without pictures) get to experience hyperbole, sarcasm, satire and wit! WIN!
For example (and I’m still laughing about this):
“Local :: State :: and Federal charges … the you’re fucked trifecta”
http://saltydroid.info/arresting-developments/
So Danielle, save a life!
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Genius Video Local Secret Marketer Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 8:13 pm
@Perspective,
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# 31 August 2011 at 6:05 pm

Enlightened said:
@Oh, Salty…, can’t speak for SD but I can tell you that yes, without a doubt, Naomi and Dave are/were in a relationship. I have email proof confirming this (which came from someone very close to them) but would never reveal it (unless legally required to) as it would break the confidence of the person who shared it with me.
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Misery Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:43 pm
tl;dr – I’m blowing smoke out my ass, but trust me, I’m legit! I have proof I won’t show you!
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Dale Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:14 pm
@Misery, Based on Naomi’s standard of proof, it sounds like a fact.
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# 31 August 2011 at 7:14 pm

Oh, Salty... said:
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@Huh?, Naomi did not say that Mr. Droid sent the people who sent the death threats. She DID say that she HAD contacted the police. And the police are the only people to whom she is required to demonstrate that a crime has been committed. I’m not sure what blog you’re reading, but it’s not IttyBiz.
@Enlightened, unless you have photographs and/or a signed confession from Naomi or Dave, then no, I’m afraid you don’t have proof. Especially if “someone very close to them” is who I think it is.
But again, go ahead and enjoy your conspiracy theories. Art Bell and William Hearst would be proud.
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Enlightened Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:45 pm
@Oh, Salty…, It’s not who you think – someone still very close, and not JC in case you’re assuming wrong – so I stand by this.
For me I don’t even care about the personal stuff – marriages end every day – but if you post something personal to your customers on your business blog, don’t cover things up – own up to the whole story is what I am saying, otherwise things said that may in fact be true – like Dave being forced from his children or readers of his brother’s website threatening them – seem false.
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Jade Craven Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 8:02 pm
@Oh, Salty…,
couldn’t be me. I had discussions with a close friend when I discovered the site, and we both thought that they weren’t. I have no idea what’s happened since we stopped talking and my mum has been trying to convince me that they were.
I’ve said a few things here, based on what I know, because I know the goss is gonna fly now. I’ve never been close to Naomi, and Dave and I didn’t email that much post divorce.
http://jadecraven.com/2011/09/01/my-take-on-the-naomidave-scandal/
I *can* answer limited questions in relation to it but really, I just wanna lie low.
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Enlightened Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 8:25 pm
@Jade Craven, Like I said above, it wasn’t you Jade. I just read your post – and it seems from your understanding they were not in a relationship at first which is fine. What I have says they were and it’s not from that long ago.
But from your post – was the More Buyers program been completed or is it still unfinished? It’s my understanding that it was to be finished within a year and people paid monthly. These are exactly the type of things SD is likely getting at with his posts.
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Jade Craven Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 8:35 pm
@Enlightened,
I know. I also know how the rumour mill works, thanks to all the private emails I’ve gotten lately. People have advised me to clear up anything personally, in case someone goes off on an investigative tangent.
It has been completed. It took longer then planned and those within it got a lot of value out of it. I know because I’d touch base with a lot of the people. The creating products that sell module got a lot of positive feedback.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:19 pm
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@Jade Craven, you are very wise. you obviously realize the real risk of saying too much here.
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Kyle Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:25 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, Sounds like a veiled threat to shut up. Wow!
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:35 am
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@Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, humor me more. I’ve been shooting down such fifth grade debate tactics all day long. “I know you are, but what am I?” or is it monkey see, monkey do.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:20 pm
@Jade Craven,
How about creating products that provide real value…then the selling takes care of itself
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Huh? Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 9:00 pm
@Oh, Salty…, My mistake on the not calling the cops thing. She snuck in that she did amongst a list of “I didn’t” and “I can’t” items. However, you’re clearly a complete idiot.
From http://ittybiz.com/sometimes-the-bad-guys-win/:
““Salty” takes the case.
He posts about Dave. He posts about me.
And then the death threats started coming.
I had stolen another woman’s husband. That was adultery. I have to die.
The products I sell are scams. That is lying. I have to die.
I hang out with other scammers. That is collusion. I have to die, and so do they.”
Show me where, on “Salty’s” site (this one, in case you’re that dumb), where anyone said “Naomi has to die.”
Show me where, anywhere, Naomi has posted emails from people who’ve said, “You have to die.”
Show me where, anywhere, Naomi has posted the email where she claims someone told her that if she showed up at a certain event that she, and all who surround her, will be MURDERED.
Those statements are libelous. Why she felt the need to bring in Nathan’s name, or the name of the event she’s supposed to meet her demise at, is ridiculous. She’s drawing in people and places that have NOTHING to do with this, or her. Nothing. Shit, according to that post, she’s equating herself to Dave’s mom, who was murdered, so that’s the only tie-in I can see. She thinks she’s going to be murdered for some strange reason. Get off the PCP, Naomi. There are no monsters under your bed. People just think you suck, that’s all.
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RT Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 9:11 pm
@Huh?,
“Get off the PCP, Naomi. There are no monsters under your bed. People just think you suck, that’s all.”
Good stuff :-)
She is clearly demented … does she really buy her own BS? Does she think she is going to walk away from this with the ability to still sell her crap?
Hope she has a backup income plan that doesn’t include scamming.
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memyselfandi Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 5:02 am
@Huh?, You know what would be a hoot? If the owners at this event checked with the authorities to make sure the death threats aren’t taken lightly. Hilarity ensues.
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Huh? Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 6:20 am
@memyselfandi, I think that would be simply wonderful!
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# 31 August 2011 at 7:23 pm

RT said:
I’m don’t know how this is going to unfold but aside the personal details about these two shit heads (spider bitch and master moob) … I am seeing the big point of showing all the B team wannabes that they don’t and never did have a freaking chance.
They failed to see that the cartel was designed to use them … Chew them up … And spit them out.
It’s an example … Still unfolding … Of how chasing the unicorn is ruining lives and peoples families.
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RT Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:35 pm
@RT,
Dude quit typing on your iPhone and read through your post at least once before hitting submit. Your grammar is killing me.
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Bonnie Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:47 pm
@RT,
I really believe that this is and has always been Salty’s point — to save people from being scammed and ruining their lives, and/or losing their lives.
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SD Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:00 pm
The affairs :: and the lies :: and the running around burning through money like the Italian government … are all kind of part of this story because of who Dave and Naomi held themselves out to be :: gurus … and motivators … and knower of secret secrets. Both of them used their family situation in their marketing and on their blogs. Naomi’s husband and kid are still on her about page. Then they vanish into nowhere after making some dubious public appearances. People want to talk about it … but can’t … because dissent is forbidden. So now … a year later by the time I touch it … it blows up all over the place.
So people are welcome to talk about whatever they need to talk about here … BUT … I care about how fraud destroys lives. That is what I write about :: that is what this story is about. These posts are exactly like the other 375 posts … anti-fraud … anti-cult … anti-crime.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:22 pm
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@SD, the need to go into hiding, ***the lawyers***, the psycho relatives, the lies that ruined their businesses, are all kind of part of this story that you aren’t addressing because of who you hold yourself out to be. You keep making these accusations that they are frauds, but haven’t shown one ounce of proof, despite having the time to make multiple posts and comments. The proof isn’t going to write itself and neither will you, apparently.
LOSER!! ::   -7
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
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@RT, but yet not one mention from Salty Droid of even one person whose life has been ruined because of ittybiz.
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Dale Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, That would be of no concern to you, your real concern is shilling for Naomi. Of course, you’ve only seen the first couple of chapters. Maybe you should read the entire book. Stay tuned.
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Slowly Waking Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Also, if…
“…burning through money like the Italian government…”
…Silvio Berlusconi makes any background appearances, that would be peaches.
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Lanna Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:51 pm
@Slowly Waking,
Bunga bunga parties would certainly ratchet up the scandal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/silvio-berlusconi/8588251/Silvio-Berlusconis-bunga-bunga-party-fixer-Lele-Mora-arrested-for-fraud.html
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# 31 August 2011 at 7:33 pm

Neil said:
Have to say a few things:
1. There is nothing wrong with leaving your wife it is sad it didn’t work out
2. It is sad that things are screwed up with the family but that is not out of the ordinary
3. Every situation is unique and people should not assume there are rights and wrongs about the breakup of a family unit.
Most of the people that these somewhat normal things happen to are not being suckered by cult like marketing techniques.
As a divorced guy that needed to get out of a marriage just wanted to say.
Neil
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Anna Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 8:54 pm
@Neil, sometimes marriages do end. Often people don’t try hard enough to stay together. Sometimes it is best that a marriage ends. It is, however, unforgivable to abandon one’s children emotionally and financially. Regardless of whether the mother or father is doing the abandoning…
Cult-like tactics suggesting that one “scrape off one’s family” if they don’t support one’s unicorn chasing or whatever add another really icky layer to all of this. This does not sound like Dave’s was a run of the mill “irreconcilable differences” type of divorce.
WINNER!! ::   +16
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Neil Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 9:38 pm
@Anna, I have no idea about why Dave left his wife and family, this happens every day. I would have to say in terms of crimes against humanity it is probably quite forgivable.
There is a lot of judging going on over a routine situation.
It is like you guys believe in the unicorn of faithful relationships and love forever and no bad dads or moms.
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SD Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:10 pm
@Neil ::
Just because most break-ups are average doesn’t mean that they all are … obviously.
This is a strange situation … objectively … and I’ve researched it more than normal due to the precariousness.
No statement is being made here about divorce … certainly not by me.
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Neil Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 8:23 pm
@SD, Good to hear!
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anonone Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 5:09 am
@Anna,
One only has to read some of David’s brother’s letters to see that he is a religious kook and a zealot with a controlling desire to pull David back into his black-and-white Christianist cult world view.
Who knows the real reasons that David left his family? His meddling brother doesn’t, and it is none of his holier-than-thou business, frankly. Nor mine. Nor yours.
If I had a brother like David’s brother, I would want to get as far from him as possible. He is a controlling pompous religious zealot who would feel perfectly at home in the Taliban, if he believed in a different dead cult leader.
Shittybiz and David’s public lies and IM scams should be screamed from the rooftops, but after reading about his father and his mother’s murder, I can only feel sorry for his (and his brother’s) personal life. It is very hard to heal from childhood trauma like that. Very hard.
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Stoic Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 11:13 am
@anonone,
I agree and am not comfortable commenting on that personal tragedy—-which begs the question of why Shittybiz thought it appropriate to drag this very sad episode into her spin cycle to sell a few frauducts.
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# 31 August 2011 at 7:58 pm

memyselfi said:
whattheeverlovingfuck does any of this have to do with Naomi?
Dave leaves his wife, he has a hostile moment with his son, he doesn’t feel safe. So where does Naomi fit in? If she’s not having an affair why is she pulling up shop and going on the run? Why is she having a private conversation (that Dave should have held) with Dave’s son?
WHAT DOES NAOMI DUNFORD HAVE TO DO WITH DAVE’S MARITAL ISSUES?
And why is she writing his story on her blog.
Why is she in the middle of all this. If she’s not having an affair and they’re just friends, why is she such a big part of it? If the murderous Navarro pattern is being repeated, than it’s against Dave, not Naomi so why is she even involved?
Something stinks.
WINNER!! ::   +17
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Joel Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:59 pm
@memyselfi,
Thats what I’m saying…Why is she choosing to drown herself in this issue, most other fraudsters know when to shut up, she does not. I think she is about to have a rude awakening.
Go on SD, do what you do well.
::Awaken Her::
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# 31 August 2011 at 8:28 pm

Doctor Mario said:
This post + this one = micro-cosmic synopsis of the entire fucked up world that is the Internet Marketing Cult(s)
Clearly, Naomi, the onus is on you to prove you’ve received death threats … if you in fact have … while instead you have spun this MAJOR accusation into the background as your web of spin & deception grows.
Until we all get to see some sort of verification that these alleged death threats occurred, it seems that you are just digging a deeper hole for yourself.
Plus, disabling comments entirely … even while you’re getting “100,000 hits in the last 48 hours” … certainly doesn’t scream “innocent, honest party” or “blogging expert” from my perspective. Just saying.
WINNER!! ::   +15
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# 31 August 2011 at 8:31 pm

memyselfi said:
Methinks Naomi was coached by CopyBlogger
http://www.copyblogger.com/james-chartrand-underpants/
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# 31 August 2011 at 9:17 pm

Oh, Salty... said:
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Gracious! Comments that encourage only saying something if you have indisputable truth that it’s true, fact-finding, and due diligence are downvoted! Mr. Droid, I’m not sure that says good things about your audience!
@Huh?, while I appreciate your ad-hominem attacks for what they are, I submit that I’m not the one who can’t read. Your interpretation of what Naomi said says volumes about you and very little about Naomi, I’m afraid.
And to be quite honest, if I had the followers of an attack site hungering after me, calling me things like “spider-bitch” and “fattie” (I have been careful to use Mr. Droid’s words there), I wouldn’t allow comments on my site either.
Now: please downvote this comment as well, for daring to disagree with Glorious Leader and the rest of the dittoheads. Go ahead. I wait with bated breath to be censored.
LOSER!! ::   -4
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RT Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 9:23 pm
@Oh, Salty…,
It’s not really censorship. I click the little link to view your comments. It ads to the entertainment value.
WINNER!! ::   +13
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Ryan Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:05 pm
@Oh, Salty…,
We have a french for trade union that downvotes such comments. Not because I believe in blindly following anybody, including Salty, but because we’re really mean people who like to sell overpriced products to… oh wait, that’s who this blog is ABOUT, not who reads it…
That being said, if you WOULD like to have your own site where you can turn off comments so that we cannot call you “fattie” or “nonbeliever”, i believe somebody pointed out on another post that ProBlogger sells “How to Get a Free Blogspot Account for your Grandma” (formerly known as Secrets to Six Figure Blogging) for $1997. But hurry! They’re running out faster than our downvotes for your comments!
WINNER!! ::   +7
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SD Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:22 pm
@Oh, Salty… ::
1. Her comments have been turned off for months.
2. It’s not really my audience voting you down … we’re out numbered here right now about 5 to 1 … it’s just the general mass of peeps that Naomi’s insane wolf crying has brought here. So you can feel good about being voted down by your own kind …
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
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@SD, as if….good one. So, you’re saying that the same people who have been here 24/7 for the past few days aren’t the same that is here now? Or, are you saying that those people have stopped thumbing down posts all of a sudden? Because the number of thumbs down have hardly increased.
LOSER!! ::   -14
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Scott Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:41 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi,
I just gave a thumbs down to your comment. I think that is technically a “net increase” in thumbs downs. You can probably expect a further net increase, because society does not reward those who promote the dark side.
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# 31 August 2011 at 9:20 pm

:: said:
What :: is:: it :: supposed:: to :: mean :: when :: you :: use :: double :: colons :: between :: words?
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SD Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 1:21 am
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Uncle Ralph Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 1:37 am
@SD, You bring up a couple of good points.
WINNER!! ::   +15
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# 31 August 2011 at 10:02 pm

Iam3r said:
@SD
Hi,
So… I first heard about this-whole-thing from a link in a tangential tweet from an RT of someone else on Twitter.
It took me Naomi’s page and I got her side. I was all fired up. I mean, I already know that all these Internet Marketing Gurus have a scammy aspect to them, but she’s talking about–you know–DEATH threats.
And, yes, I’m well aware that someone like Naomi that makes bold, semi-unsupportable claims and overcharges for merchandise as a rule might easily make a false, or at least exaggerated claim of death threat–but still, ya know DEATH THREAT.
Anyway. I’ve seen your site now as well. And Naomi made her second post. And you have made yours.
It seems to me this is a big, fat case of Dirty Laundry. But there is the nagging problem of Anthony Sr. having COMMITTED CONSPIRACY TO HAVE HIS WIFE KILLED. *And* he succeeded. And now you find yourself in a position of defending Anthony Jr. who seems to indicate that he thinks his dad did right having Roseanne killed–or at least that it was appropriate for her to “pay for her sins.” It makes Anthony Jr. look dangerous.
As to Naomi’s accusation of death threats: when I re-read her entries closely, I don’t see a place where she explicitly said that you, SD, sent her a death threat. Maybe I missed it, I dunno.
But please consider this: Owing to the overall tone of your site and the kind of comments people post, isn’t it possible that someone, having read where you called her a “cow” and all those other mean, nasty things–isn’t it possible that one or more persons from your site might have sent one or more emails to Naomi threatening her life?
One more note as to the tone of the site: Ok so you say you write in this–let’s say–”colorful” way because it’s selfish and that’s the same way the self-proclaimed gurus write? *scratch head* hrm. Ok, that *might* make sense, but I’m not following so far. In any case, forever writing in that tone makes you look like a dick. And, while I’m sure it’s likely to increase your readership, it’s more like that many members of your loyal fan base will be… well they’ll be people that think it’s totally ok to write mean, nasty shit about people.
I mean–what I’m trying to say… Whenever this whole thing–I mean the Naomi-Dave-Anthony thing and also the Internet Marketing and all the rest–whenever it finally blows up, it could just be that you find yourself very much a part *of* it instead of being just an impartial commentator on the *outside* of it.
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Remember, the _____ usually lies somewhere in be/truth/tween
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +2
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Ryan Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:13 pm
@Iam3r, you know, I used to be really, really offended by this site. But I had this morbid curiosity to go take a peek at it every once in a while and see what Salty was cursing at. And over time, I started to realize… wait, SD isn’t this really agressive, violent person. He’s freakin hilarious! If he’s calling somebody out, it’s because they deserve it. And he does it with mucho class. I’d hope that the readership here also keeps it classy and does not a) jump to conclusions, b) follow anybody blindly, c) email death threats to women (cause women are different), or d) own the domain name MeanSite2.com
that is all. see you in a few months when you’re reading this site a lot more frequently.
WINNER!! ::   +15
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Frank Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:18 pm
@Iam3r,
“Remember, the _____ usually lies somewhere in be/truth/tween”
Then again, sometimes the truth is that someone is lying.
Did you notice any proof anywhere? If you do, you’ll be the first.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Regrets Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:56 pm
@Iam3r, like the judge said when I served on a jury, if you find out a witness has not told the truth on one point, you may disregard everything else they have said in their testimony.
I suppose that is why so many people aren’t getting sucked in with the melodrama and large fonts and so on. Way too many omissions of truth and signs of manipulative tactics to take anything seriously.
Yeah, there are two sides to everything, but real complications set in when people lie. Even complicated truth is simple compared to that.
WINNER!! ::   +12
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SD Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 1:30 am
@Iam3r ::
But please consider this: Owing to the overall tone of your site and the kind of comments people post, isn’t it possible that someone, having read where you called her a “cow” and all those other mean, nasty things–isn’t it possible that one or more persons from your site might have sent one or more emails to Naomi threatening her life?
No … it’s not possible.
We’ve been here for YEARS … fighting the good fight … I know the people here. No true fan of the site would ever do something that impossibly hateful and stupid … it goes against the whole theme of this group and why it exists.
And maybe you should try reading through the comments a little closer … I think you’ll find most of the regulars here are quite elegant and beautiful … and nothing at all like the motherfucking asshole that I’m pretending to be. The hate and bile all comes the subjects of these articles.
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# 31 August 2011 at 10:07 pm

Jenny said:
Dave’s brother is pretty clearly crazy and leaves a litany of threatening and aggressive statements on his website. He also quite clearly viewed his mother being murdered as what she deserved for deserting her family, and his uber-Chistian fanaticism is frankly a little frightening. If I were Naomi or Dave I would be concerned about my safety as well. It’s obvious that she took things out of context here, and I for one find it hard to believe her, but at the same time I’m not sure it’s a good idea to be inflaming and encouraging a man who is clearly not mentally stable (the brother). I understand wanting to stretch this out for traffic sake, but perhaps it would be the safer thing to do to stop stretching it out and just post whatever evidence it is you say you have. I know you want to clear your name, but the brother seems like a cult member and it is possible that he’s getting his church to send her threatening messages and it’s making her paranoid. Daves business is certainly gone now and I suspect this publicity isn’t what Naomi ever wanted. They’ve already been driven through the mud, and any intelligent person is going to be able to see their true characters without us subjecting them to any more ridicule and shame.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +6
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Carol Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:22 pm
@Jenny, You’re right about one thing regarding Dave and Naomi. “Any intelligent person is going to be able to see their true characters…”
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:00 pm
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@Jenny, thank you!
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Kyle Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:21 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, Why couldn’t you just thank her when you get home?
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SD Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 1:46 am
@Jenny ::
All the shit about Anthony is just as contrived as all the shit about me.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Not a fucking threat.
Religion is :: in part :: about giving you a way to understand your own mortality … the whole thing is death metaphor.
“and his uber-Chistian fanaticism is frankly a little frightening”
Yeah? Well who asked you? People get to pick their own religion … even if you don’t like it.
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Sundog Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 7:54 am
@SD,
Right, but does Dave? If my brother had me committed because I disagreed with his religious beliefs… Do you know if that’s true? Because that colors things differently.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 8:35 am
I’ve also been wondering if the tale of Dave’s forced commitment at his brother’s hand is true, or just more lies and exaggerations. If it is true, that does add another layer to this sordid tale. It doesn’t make Dave and Naomi’s deceptions or the Internet marketing scams any less abhorrent, but it does make the story even more complex.
I’m no fan of organized religion or what appears to me to be religious self-righteousness. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. On the other hand, one person’s self-righteousness is another person’s expression of sincere faith, and neither one necessarily makes a person dangerous, even though Naomi is clearly implying as much in her latest post.
In any case, if she is indeed getting death threats for committing adultery, as she has been spinning the tale in her most recent installment, it seems to me that would be from the self-righteous religious factions, NOT from the snarks, critics, and haters of scams who frequent Salty’s realm.
With this post, however, it seems that the little robot is working his way back to the real issue: Internet marketing scams. I’m sorry these issues were tainted by the family soap opera, but that seems to be Naomi’s doing for the most part.
The misogyny angle that Naomi has tried to play is, as I noted previously, bogus. I don’t think fattie jokes are funny, whether they’re directed to men or women, but in the context in which Salty is making them, it’s not a gender thing.
Also, as I noted in a previous comment, and as several others have also said, I’m all for women advancing in business, and I recognize that misogyny is real and exists in many forms. In fact, it seems the Syndicate circle whom Naomi considers to be her allies is a hotbed for vicious behind-women’s-backs misogyny. But it seems to me that Naomi is clouding the issues and compromising women who really are in danger. (By the way, I’m REALLY disappointed in Kevin Smith for rallying to her side.)
Family stories are complex, and the issues are rarely all black-and-white. One black-and-white issue is that it’s wrong to have someone murdered for “selfishness,” as Anthony Sr. apparently did when his wife left. But it’s also wrong for Naomi to exploit this past tragedy, which is what she seems to be doing.
Anyway, I’m glad Salty is getting back to the real issues: the scams.
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Slowly Waking Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 9:24 am
@Cosmic Connie, you wrote, “I don’t think fattie jokes are funny, whether they’re directed to men or women, but in the context in which Salty is making them, it’s not a gender thing.”
I don’t think they’re funny, either; and you’re absolutely right. SD’s tactic is going at narcissists where it hurts. If this were a hate blog, and not a blend of investigative journalism/advocacy/Lenny Bruce, the powerful & wealthy marketing gurus would scoff and ignore. (Does Dick Cheney care if he’s called a fatty? No, he waterboards.) But the gurus are not powerful & wealthy, just insecure scammers living from infoproduct to infoproduct. They cover the sham with gross self-obsession, saying, “Hey, I’m a marketing genius worth $500/hour. My gut’s saying I’m not so I better blog more to convince myself and others. There! VALUE”
Which is why “fatty” gets them so angry, and so eager to reframe the conversation as sexism, religious oppression, and cyberbullying (If their l33t hackorz NLP skillz can pattern redirect your .htaccess brainfile). But real cyberbullying victims are private people, usually kids, getting piled on in some social network. ND, DN, and the rest of the gurus are public figures. They chose to build careers on their public faces. They’re not famous, just “internet famous,” but we all know they’d be on Oprah if they could (like James Arthur Ray).
I personally don’t care about any affairs, sad though they are. I do care about the self-deception, outlined so well above, a Dave Navarro goes through in leaving his family to go deeper into the fairy economy of Syndicate-style internet marketing. More, please.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 9:59 am
@Slowly Waking, I agree: It’s the self-deception, not the affairs, that matter as an illustration of the destructive effects of New-Wage delusions. I generally don’t care who’s boinking whom; it’s rarely relevant, unless the actions of the boinkers are directly contrary to what they are teaching. (If they’re having affairs while making money teaching about marital fidelity, then it’s relevant. If they’re selling infoproducts about having an awakened relationship and yet their own intimate relationship is in shambles and they put the move on every young woman who bats an eyelash at them, that’s relevant. And so on.)
Anyway, I’m glad Salty’s on the job exposing the real scams, and I only hope his voice doesn’t get drowned out in the sympathy rally that Naomi is gathering around her.
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Anthony Navarro Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 8:57 am
@Sundog,
Hey there, SunDog…
To clarify, Dave was not committed because of religious beliefs… This was in the first months of his abandonment and disappearance from “the grid” as it were, when he flat out disappeared: not responding to calls, emails, and was basically “on the run”, totally unlike his prior life as a loving father, devoted husband, and up and coming entrepreneur. Also long before anyone can accuse us of any “harassing” behavior. – our brother was gone, and we did not know where, or why. One day we got the call he was gone, and we counld not understand why.
At the time he started resurfacing, multiple factors were in play in our decision to have him evaluated, including:
– David’s physical condition was deteriorating (unkempt appearance, smell)
– David’s erratic and paranoid behavior (driving like he’s trying to shake a tail, never sleeping the the same place twice every night)
– Traveling the world, not communicating with anyone, spending tens of thousands of dollars per month while neglecting his business… what was he doing? Was he going to blow it all then end it all? We just…did…not…know…
It all seemed to point to a self destructive spiral – we were worried to death over him… Again, this was in the beginning when we didn’t know anything…
Taking his “abandoning his family” out of the equation, his sister and I feared for his safety, literally, thought he may die if we did not intervene, and felt he needed to be evaluated, psychologically and medically. Friends and family with EMT, police, and medical backgrounds advised us that his behaviors were all indicators of drug addiction. – We feared for his life.
The last thing we wanted was more conflict, but we felt our window of opportunity was closing fast, that David was a threat to himself.
I know Dave is feeding the world his side of the story, but those first months were the scariest when all we saw was someone destroying himself – with no warning and no reason.
Once Dave and Naomi started their resurfacing, of course now the game has changed – they are using this early event as evidence for a long pattern of hate and abuse… but this was the first, desperate act of a brother and sister trying to find out what had happened to their ‘baby brother.’
And having him evaluated was not taken in a vacuum – but was bathed in advice from others, and in prayer, and all agreed that time was short if indeed, Dave was caught up in drugs or a professional breakdown causing this radical change in behavior.
He is still my brother. Is family may hate what he is doing but we do not hate *him* – I still believe the underneath he is the man he was, but something happened. He is a victim.
Take care…
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 9:50 am
@Anthony Navarro, Thank you for your clarification, which adds yet another layer of complexity to the family story that most of us have only been getting in bits and pieces. I’m even more convinced that it’s a good thing Salty is getting back to the issues that inspired his series of posts about Naomi and Dave: the scam marketing, which people need to know about.
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anonone Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 11:47 am
@Anthony Navarro,
I don’t blame Dave a bit for not responding to you. After reading your letters to him, it is perfectly understandable. And your trying to have him involuntarily committed does fit a pattern of abuse that is perpetrated over and over again by religious zealots like you when they feel like they are losing control.
The fact that he was evaluated professionally and released immediately shows that your efforts to incarcerate him were based on lies, and no one should believe anything you say regarding Dave ever, including anything that you just wrote in this last post.
You’re the one who should be evaluated. As far as I can see, you may be a bigger scam artist than your brother.
a1
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SD Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:15 pm
@anonone ::
And what if Dave is in the middle of psychotic breakdown … quite common amongst manipulated people? Like Colleen Conaway … who was not the sort of lady to jump off a ledge at the mall in front of a bunch of kids. Dave’s behaviors were indeed bizarre … and his friends and family were worried. Anthony’s letters and writings are characteristic of the way Christians often talk to each other … all groups have their own languages.
And even if mistakes were made … fuck you. What business is it of yours?
It’s not. I’m very proud of you for hating Jesus … it’s very intellectually sophisticated … now shut up.

Ryan Healy Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:17 pm
@anonone, Wow. Amazing how two people can read the same thing and come to two totally different conclusions.
Methinks you’re predisposed to dislike and distrust anybody who claims a religious affiliation.
Ryan
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# 31 August 2011 at 10:16 pm

Former christian said:
Dave’s brother is clearly insane, but not in the way you believe. He’s insane because he’s the embodiment of the father in the parable of the prodigal son.
Where you see menace, I see love.
Where you see complicity in his mother’s death, I see man pointing out how quickly things can escalate in domestic disputes.
And puh-leez, don’t tell me you’re the only human with ESP who can read the subtleties inside the mind of Dave or his brother.
It’s all your opinion. And opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:58 pm
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@Former christian, did you see where he warned Dave that he was going to end up like his mother and meet the same fate? the same death???? if so, please restate that you believe that is love.
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Kyle Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:20 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, You’re starting to sound really scary. You keep going more and more off the deep end.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:29 am
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@Kyle, whatever~
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# 31 August 2011 at 10:33 pm

Oh, Salty... said:
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First off, I apologize for starting so many threads. For some reason the Reply function doesn’t do anything in my browser.
@Mr. Droid, when you say this:
“It’s not really my audience voting you down … we’re out numbered here right now about 5 to 1 … it’s just the general mass of peeps that Naomi’s insane wolf crying has brought here. So you can feel good about being voted down by your own kind …”
you appear to be claiming that your regular audience is NOT the group doing the downvoting, and that instead, the pro-Naomi comments are being downvoted by the pro-Naomi visitors who have come to your site to criticize you for supposedly being anti-Naomi.
Would you please state for the record that it is NOT your usual audience downvoting comments that disagree with you, and display the proof necessary to back up this claim?
Otherwise, would you please retract the claim?
I hope you’ll do one or the other, since your site claims to be all about revealing the truth, and your followers have spent several days declaiming loudly that if you can’t produce proof, clearly you must be lying.
LOSER!! ::   -13
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Carol Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 10:58 pm
@Oh, Salty…, He never said it was “pro Naomi” visitors. It was visitors who have seen this mentioned elsewhere and are curious. They are probably not going to become “pro Naomi” after the read up about her.
Please supply proof of Naomi’s claims since you are supporting her so aggressively. It seems nobody has any proof of Naomi’s claims. Maybe her non-available proof is located on a different planet?
If you had no skin in the game, you would not be commenting like this is all about you. Unless it is, of course.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:02 pm
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@Carol, where is Salty Droid’s proof? He has nothing to lose by supplying it. Naomi has everything to lose and I’m sure she doesn’t consider your opinion of her valuable enough to risk it.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:10 pm
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@Carol, what Salty Droid has to gain, on the other hand, by stringing this along, is that he stirs the hatred pot more and more, making all of you rabid fans giddy with excitement (did you read some of the first comments to today’s post?) which exacerbates the problems Naomi and Dave are facing and further exposes DAVE’S SONS TO PUBLIC RIDICULE (which Dave and Naomi have been trying to prevent all along). The douchebag Droid likes this. Because you fall at his feet and worship him and he values this over other people’s lives and the quality of his children’s lives, yet he’s given no proof and frankly, I haven’t seen much other than opinion regarding others he’s attacked.
LOSER!! ::   -14
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Talk Is Cheap Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:26 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, “Exposes Dave’s sons to public ridicule?” You’ve lost it. You think people just go around scouring the internet for info on other peoples’ parents? What a stretch. That’s a new one in the goofy department.
Too bad you don’t feel as strongly about personal responsibility.
If you want to see what a real douchebag looks like, find a mirror.
The rest of the world awaits your proof. I expect us to all be old and in nursing homes before that happens.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:33 pm
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@Talk Is Cheap, what kind of proof would I have? You seriously don’t think ANY of this will get back to Dave’s sons? Does that make you feel better about what you are doing to think that?
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:36 pm
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@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, oh!! it’s because you think I am Naomi…it’s been a few hours since I’ve been accused of that. You’ve all been throwing this out to everyone else who calls you out.
What you all are doing is what is truly despicable. If you had any ounce of concern for those children, you’d STFU and mind your own business. They are obviously surrounded by lunatics who advocate murder.
LOSER!! ::   -13

Talk Is Cheap Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:53 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, I never said I thought you were Naomi. That was your paranoia speaking to you. Your mouth sounds a lot like hers though. If you’re so concerned about Dave’s children, maybe Naomi can offer you some “don’t give a shit” style advice to help you deal with it. Be sure to ask for the “fanatic” discount.
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First Time Caller - Long Time Fan Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:03 pm
@Oh, Salty…, Have you ever visited social voting sites like Digg or Reddit?
Your question adds little to the dialogue, and you whining about getting thumbs down is just BEGGING for people like me who lurk and don’t typically vote or leave comments.
Also, learn2troll.
WINNER!! ::   +10
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SD Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:10 am
@First Time Caller – Long Time Fan ::
Yeah right? It’s like the worst trolling ever!
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# 31 August 2011 at 10:47 pm

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You guys are all sheep. Almost worse than the people who buy the Syndicates garbage. You can hate Dave for being a marketer and you can hate the company he keeps. But you are not stating anything factual. Your only believing what Dave’s controlling jesus-freak brother is perpetuating (though manipulative)
I am anonymously close the the situation. I know the facts.
There is no affair. period. Never has been, never will be. There are reasons for this, only Naomi has the right to discuss, they are ties with her leaving her husband, but have nothing to do with an affair with Dave.
Anthony is a controlling jesus freak, openly expresses what his father had done to his mother was justified.
Dave son didn’t create or post to any such twitter account, again, Anthony being manipulative.
Dave is deathly afraid of what his brother and other jesus-freak brainwashed friends and family will do to him, as there has been open expression to him being killed id necessary to ‘face the wrath of god’
They claimed Dave was on drugs, and got him committed against his will… and after drug tests and a psyc evaluation, released him immediately.
The only CULT here is his brother who is manipulating his own family and Dave’s closest friends using the Lord Jesus as his manipulation base.
Anyone who knows Dave, Anthony, and Naomi, know…. it’s not Dave who is the ‘crazy’ one – but Anthony who is obsessed and manipulative, a liar, control freak.
You don’t have to like Daves products, though he is far from a ‘scammer’ IMHO. I am with you Droid on everything you say on 99.9% of this blog. But this is bad. You have fallen victim to Anthony’s manipulation. Your believing lies perpetuated by a loony-too liar – everything that you hate, and your falling victim to it. Very sad.
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SD Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:36 pm
@Not A Sheep ::
Actually :: I’m quite good at spotting liars. Anthony Jr. clearly does love Jesus … and he clearly thinks Dave is failing morally … and his parents disaster is clearly on his mind and is part of what shaped his life … and he’s clearly not a liar. The PUBLIC accusation that he’s dangerous :: by referencing the murder of his mother :: is really beyond disgusting.
And :: you proxy server reject :: almost all of my sources are Internet Marketing insiders … never noticed? I’ve kinda been here awhile … a lot of people know :: trust :: and like me even though we don’t always agree. I can find out almost anything in a matter of days.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:38 pm
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@SD, OMG, you are going to defend this guy? Are you insane? I know I’ve called you that, but until now, I didn’t think it was nail-my-own-coffin-shut insane.
LOSER!! ::   -10
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Chuck Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:40 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, You are off your rocker nuts.
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SD Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:47 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi ::
God damn right I’m going to defend him … because I did my research.
Keep sliming him like that with unfounded accusations and I’ll delete them. I tolerate personal abuse and slanders against myself because that’s what I’m here for … but the Navarro’s have suffered enough.
If ANYONE in “problogging” had a trace of morality they’d step-up right now and try to keep it from escalating … since it’s a problem they created.
But I guess they’ll just leave it to me per the usual …
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Slowly Waking Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:57 pm
@SD, keep defending. I went to Problogger & Copyblogger just to see if anybody stepped up. Nothing. But I got to sign up for a free 20-part course.
Also, Brian Clark tweeted this quote today:
“If you don’t turn your life into a story, you just become a part of someone else’s story.”
I wonder if Brian Clark will become a part of someone else’s story soon?
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:48 pm
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@SD, you said, “I can find out almost anything in a matter of days.” That sounds like a direct threat to @not a sheep. As for me, I am not afraid of you.
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Morris Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:00 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi,
I can remain silent no longer. I just can’t believe what I am reading. Volunteering a threat like, “I am not afraid of you” sounds a lot like challenging someone to a duel. This is very unsettling.
I’ve printed this out in case there is ever news about Salty Droid getting hurt in the paper. I will then submit this to the authorities. There is no place for violence!
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:14 am
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@Morris, bahaha! you just sound desperate. IF I were challenging him, he’d have to accept, idiot.
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Morris Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:34 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, Just thought I’d show you how ridiculous you sound. Now I’ll let you get back to being an asshole.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:37 am
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@Morris, perhaps to someone who thinks outside the box, but you are really stretching to make ME look like a threat because I say I’m not afraid of HIS threat to find out anything about anyone in a matter of days. But thanks for drawing additional attention to it.
LOSER!! ::   -7
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Wanderlost Reply:
September 4th, 2011 at 4:05 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, Just keep commenting, Not Naomi. You’re making it ever clearer- for those previously ignorant- who’s the crazy paranoid who sees death threats in parodies and Bible quotations and who’s the fraud fighter. By the way, I’m one of those who very rarely comments, but reads the Droid enough (that is, more than one or two entries) to recognize what his purpose here is. (Hint: the only person for whom this is ALL ABOUT NAOMI- as opposed to tangentially about Naomi due to her French-for-Trade-Union-activities- is Naomi.)
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anonone Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 5:42 am
@SD,
Anthony is trying to sell a scam, too, only his is 2000 years old.
Anthony is a religious kook. The sincerity of his beliefs does not give him the right to foist them on his brother or anyone else, such as trying to get David involuntarily committed to a mental institution. How can you defend that? Divorce happens to be legal in this country (much to Anthony’s chagrin, I am sure).
You don’t need to defend Anthony to go after Dave and ShIttyBiz. His public words and actions are those of a fanatic controlling person who uses his so-called religious authority to try to impose his judgement and will on other people, in this case, his brother.
a1
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Donk Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 6:07 am
@anonone, Agreed. Total head case.
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Ryan Healy Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 9:34 am
@anonone, For the record, divorce is permitted in the Bible. Jesus’ teaching in Matthew was a clarification about how divorce should be handled. In fact, he was affirming the law in Deuteronomy.
Here’s a short piece Anthony Jr. (and all Christians) should read:
The Bible Says: Divorce and Remarriage is Not Adultery
http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/COLDFUSION/booklet.cfm?PID=21
Anthony Jr. strikes me as being a sincere person. But he’s also bought into the traditions of men that organized religion teaches — yet are nowhere to be found in the Bible.
Ryan
P.S. I don’t like organized religion or the religious traditions of men. I haven’t been to church in 5+ years now. But I am a follower of Jesus (to the best of my limited ability) and a student of the Bible.
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anonone Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 10:24 am
@Ryan Healy,
Taking slaves and raping women as part of the spoils of war are also part of “the law in Deuteronomy.” You can look it up.
The Bible has no moral authority, and either does Anthony. Promising heaven and threatening hell to scam money from people or otherwise manipulate them is just as evil as anything the internet marketers do.
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Ryan Healy Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 11:16 am
@anonone, Let me address the part of your comment I agree with:
“Promising heaven and threatening hell to scam money from people or otherwise manipulate them is just as evil as anything the internet marketers do.”
Yep, I agree with you.
Hell (i.e., eternal torment) is another one of men’s traditions that is not in the Bible. But men found the threat of hell convenient for controlling people. The tradition is with us even today.
Ryan
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Chuck Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:39 pm
@Not A Sheep, Proxy server? Should have known. Bullshitter.
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Shorty Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 2:16 am
@Not A Sheep, Is your anonymous-closeness-to-the-situation due to you sharing the same body w/ Dave Navarro?
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Roscoe Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 2:32 am
@Shorty, LOL Now that was funny! Sounds likely, too.
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# 31 August 2011 at 11:07 pm

Oh, Salty... said:
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Again, the reply function continues to not work for me.
@Carol, how, exactly, am I “commenting like this is all about [me]“? I think you’re seeing conspiracies where none exist.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodies? That’s the principle I’m working from. Sadly, in this case, it appears that nemo custodiet. Once again, Carol, you’ve demanded proof from Naomi without asking Mr. Droid to supply even an ounce of evidence. Do you honestly not understand the similarity? Mr. Droid is making accusations that he has yet to back up; he’s not raking mud, he’s slinging it.
Until Mr. Droid chooses to provide evidence for his claims, demanding the same of those he’s targeted is hypocritical at best. And yes, the burden of proof is on him, not his targets; he was the first to speak, and he must be the first to act.
So again, Mr. Droid, I’m going to ask: will you please provide proof of your claim? It’s a simple enough matter. And if you can’t, will you please admit that you have none and retract the claim?
LOSER!! ::   -10
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Carol Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:34 pm
@Oh, Salty…, SD did not accuse anyone of making death threats. Naomi Dunford did. That is a CRIMINAL claim. CRIMINAL claims REQUIRE evidence. Where is the evidence? Let me say it another way: Where is the evidence?
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:40 pm
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@Carol, where is Salty’s evidence? he started this, he has nothing to lose. She has everything to lose by posting her evidence and revealing the identity of her stalkers. Do you really think you are important enough to her to risk that?
LOSER!! ::   -12
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Chuck Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:42 pm
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, So she wants to protect the pretend stalkers? Is she planning on dating them or something?
WINNER!! ::   +10
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Slowly Waking Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:37 pm
@Oh, Salty…,
PATIENCE! Geez.
Rollouts take a few days.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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SD Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 2:21 am
@Slowly Waking ::
What kind of crazy person calls on me to present more evidence anyway? I guess I just answered my own question.
See Naomi :: what most scammers would like to see from The Salty Droid is less evidence … and more fattie jokes. You can snort a couple lines and forget about the fattie jokes … but evidence is forever.
Oh and also … what part of “come back tomorrow” didn’t you understand?
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# 31 August 2011 at 11:13 pm

Oh, Salty... said:
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And @First Time Caller, since your comment was not yet posted when I posted my last: actually, my question contributes significantly to the discussion.
To wit:
If Salty Droid cannot provide simple proof to back up a single claim he made or, absent that proof, will not retract the claim, how can you possibly trust the rest of what he says?
LOSER!! ::   -11
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Carol Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 11:36 pm
@Oh, Salty…, You sound like a broken record. A broken record that refuses to provide any evidence whatsoever that can prove that Naomi Dunsford is telling the truth about her claims of so-called “death threats.” I didn’t realize that broken records could spin so much.
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First Time Caller - Long Time Fan Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:02 am
@Oh, Salty…, I can’t believe I’m falling for your horrid attempt to troll again but…
If you haven’t noticed, this isn’t a court of law, it’s a blog. Most of us don’t have a dog in the fight; as sad and weird as it is…we’re just spectators forming our own opinions and waiting to see what lies around the corner.
Here’s another downvote for you. ;)
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whatthewhat Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 3:32 pm
@First Time Caller – Long Time Fan,
Good work on the continued downvoting. Also, I’m starting to get confused on exactly what proof this @Oh, Salty is looking for. So far, Salty just wrote the post about Naomi claiming death threats and stated that she fabricated the story. He then went out and showed the specific statements she made & explained how it was taken entirely out of context and was never a threat at all.
@Oh, Salty, we have already seen the evidence because we read Salty’s posts before Naomi took small lines out of context to pretend Salty was threatening her. We recognized his words and remembered (and then were able to check – by coming back here) that she was making things up.
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Stoic Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 3:50 pm
@Oh, Salty…, I find that I have no problem trusting him at all, he’s the best mud-slinger in the business.
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# 31 August 2011 at 11:17 pm

Kyle said:
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, This is a “business?” This is no business. Where are the ads? The products? The services? This seems like a site that actually helps society “out” people that are harming others. Not that you care about others, you’re on a mission here and you’ve got an obvious agenda.
Going by the time stamps on your comments, you’ve been posting continuously for some time. Except for whatever “hours” you weren’t actually commenting, but blaming SD for your not commenting is about as crazy as, say, falsely claiming that you have been threatend by some mystery people that you just made up.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
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@Kyle, this makes no sense.
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# 1 September 2011 at 12:09 am

SD (author) said:
No more anonymous comments about the Navarro family will be accepted. If you’d like to talk about that … please use your real name.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:32 am
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@SD, this is your blog, I can respect that.
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Morris Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:36 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi, It took you 7 minutes to reply, which I assume is how long it took you to look up “respect” in the dictionary.
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:43 am
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@Morris, good one, did your little brother give you that one?
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SD Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:44 am
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi ::
Well just so you know … as long as you’re respecting me … if I find out Naomi has any money left … I’m going to sue her.
Does that sound like a threat? Cause it is one …
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Your Going to Say I'm Naomi Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:49 am
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@SD, you have every right to and who doesn’t expect a whole litany of lawsuits over this? thanks for handling it maturely.
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Doctor Mario Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:59 am
@SD :: Naomi has moneyz?
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RT Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 10:59 am
Been reading here for a couple years and I think this is the first time I have seen an overt threat of an offensive lawsuit from SD.
This doesn’t bode well for Ms./Mr. Naomi.
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# 1 September 2011 at 12:25 am

Glad I Was Broke said:
@Your Going to Say I’m Naomi ::
Ok, it is 2:47 AM EST. Lights out.
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# 1 September 2011 at 12:49 am

Doctor Mario said:
Gadzooks, fellow readers & commenters!
I haven’t seen trolls this bad since I got lost in that Labyrinth…
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memyselfandi Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 5:53 am
@Doctor Mario, And the best part? They’re all Naomi’s crowd. The trolls are the people expressing shock and outrage all over Twitter. They’re calling people like SD and “Mean Site 1″ cowards but hiding behind proxies and anonymous names. I haven’t been this entertained in years. Nice little army you have there, Naomi.
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# 1 September 2011 at 12:59 am

Gv said:
I love this bar err…. Blog. .”Barkeep! ‘nother round for me and me droidophones.”
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# 1 September 2011 at 5:16 am

Dimiri said:
@SD
Good post!
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# 1 September 2011 at 7:11 am

Rafael Marquez said:
What if the whole “people want to kill me at xyz event” is nothing more than a ruse for her to sell more tickets (as an affiliate of course) to xyz event so “her people” can form a protective ring around her?
Stranger things have, will and could happen.
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Huh? Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 8:40 am
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@Rafael Marquez, So they can all be murdered, too? Doubtful. Nice theory, but doubtful. Plus, she’s never posted an affiliate link (or any link).
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# 1 September 2011 at 8:02 am

anonone said:
Salty wrote:
“Because as Jeff Walker :: hero to Brian Clark :: explained … you scrape off your family like poison if they won’t believe in your unicorn lies. And if you aren’t willing to scrape off your family … you deserve to lose. That is the message of this sick and twisted culture :: and it’s very real the way is soaks into people and eats away at their fundamental values.”
In the Bible, Jesus said the same fucking thing:
“For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law – a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me” Matthew 10:35-37
And speaking of “unicorn lies,” the Bible is one of the longest running and successful Information Marketing scams in history and serves as a model to scam artists like Walker and Clark (as you showed).
So why do you give Anthony a pass? Because he is sincere in his beliefs? So were Jim Jones and Bin Laden. While the whole soap opera of his letters page is passingly amusing, his holier-than-thou attempts to control his adult brother are not.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 8:38 am
@anonone, That’s kind of one of the things that bothers me about this whole religion angle. And it’s why I’m REALLY glad we’re getting back to the real issues: the scams.
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Slowly Waking Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 8:53 am
@Cosmic Connie, AMEN!
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Hal (the original Hal) Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 9:31 am
@anonone,
You must be part of IM shovel selling cult, because those Bible verses are not at all saying the same thing as Jeff Walker.
In context, those verses are warnings in contrast to never put any fallen man/woman before a perfect God.
Sidenote: If you do not believe in a moral absolute, on what do you base your morals? The shifting sands of the current cultural consent? If so, you’re just expressing an opinion and have no consistent, logical basis to be morally outraged over anything. Think about it. Seriously.
Jeff Walker is not God (although he and his brainwashed followers may think so) but following him and his French for Trade Union buddies are leading far too many people to financial and personal destruction.
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anonone Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 10:03 am
@ Anonymous,
Do I have moral absolutes? Yes, how about that slavery is absolutely wrong?
Yet the Bible is full of handy advice from God such as how to sell your daughter into slavery and how to beat your slaves, so don’t come talk to me about so-called moral absolutes or perfect Gods. And did the cult-leader Jesus ever speak out against slavery as a fundamental evil of his time? No, not once.
Anthony is just another religious whack-o trying to force his brand of religious quackery on his brother using love in the disguise of veiled threats. And the internet marketers, like Jeff Walker, use the same techniques to brain-wash their followers and take their money as Churches have used for centuries. The Droid, perhaps inadvertently, pointed out a great example.
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Ryan Healy Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 10:18 am
@anonone, Slavery is only absolutely wrong according to man’s “wisdom.” Here’s the Bible’s perspective:
When a person steals, in most cases the law requires him to pay double restitution.
So if he steals $1,000, he must repay $2,000.
If he pays double restitution, he has made the victim whole again, and the crime is no longer counted against him.
But if the thief does not have $2,000 to pay the double restitution, he then becomes a slave of the victim until he works off his debt.
When he has repaid the debt through his labor, he is released from slavery and is a free man again.
The Bible teaches slavery as a means for restoring the victims of injustice.
Man’s logic says this: “Let’s throw the thief in jail. The victim never gets his money back. And the victim must then pay taxes to support the thief in jail.”
In man’s system of so-called justice, the victim gets robbed twice!
Ryan
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Hal (the original Hal) Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 10:45 am
@anonone,
You absolutely know slavery is wrong despite your denial of an absolute authority for morality in the first place (i.e. God)?
Ryan has already done an excellent job of explaining the biblical context so he’s essentially given you the answer even if you don’t see it right in front of you.
Let me ask it this way then:
“On what foundational basis do you know ANYTHING absolutely?”
Actually, just so we don’t end up highjacking this thread on a tangent that might detract from SD keeping the heat on B-Team scammers, maybe we should take this worldview discussion elsewhere (perhaps Ryan’s or Connie’s blog if they’re interested).
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anonone Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 11:01 am
@Hal (the original Hal),
You don’t have to believe in a god to have a personal moral foundation. Good grief.
End of discussion.
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Hal (the original Hal) Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:23 pm
@anonone,
You’re missing my point. I never said you didn’t have a personal moral foundation.
Any “personal” moral foundation in the absence of a universal absolute is by definition arbitrary, an opinion.
Meaning, if there truly is no universal absolute standard then the reality is that everybody’s “personal” moral foundation is simply that … personal (i.e. not universal).
So when you become righteously indignant over the “wrong” actions of another you are at odds with your professed worldview and opposing yourself in your own thinking.
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SD Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 11:31 am
@Hal (the original Hal) ::
I think a person or two may have worked out some logic based ethics :: sans religion :: a couple of years ago …
http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/nicomachaen.html
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Hal (the original Hal) Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 1:00 pm
@SD,
Oh yeah, that Aristotle dude. :-)
Wasn’t his pre-suppostion “We do not mean a man who lives his life in isolation, but a man who also lives with parents, children, a wife, and friends and fellow citizens generally, since man is by nature a social and political being”?
Meaning, a man’s ethics is ultimately determined by the society/environment he grows up in.
So if you grow up in a society where women are treated as chattel and someone from a different society finds it offense. Oh well, suck it up buttercup.
BOTH are “right” in their OWN eyes.
(hmmm … where have I heard that before) ;-)
Yet still the question remains unanswered, how can anybody LOGICALLY espouse a UNIVERSAL morality/code of ethics in their professed absence of it.
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Ryan Healy Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 10:10 am
@anonone, Jesus was quoting Micah 7 in Matthew 10. In context, Jesus was talking about the price of following him… that by following him, it would turn family members against each other.
It’s true, isn’t it? Put one believer in a family of non-believers… or one non-believer in a family of believers… and it causes conflict.
The point Jesus is making is that he is a polarizing figure.
To be a follower of Jesus means you have to be prepared to follow him no matter the cost… even if it means “losing” family members who no longer want to associate with you. This is consistent with Paul’s teaching about being “unequally yoked.”
Ryan
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anonone Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 10:35 am
@Ryan Healy,
1) Paul was a murderer, liar, and a master propagandist. I don’t hold up murderers as authorities on right and wrong.
2) Your understanding of the Biblical god’s laws on the treatment of slave is wrong. Just read Exodus, for numerous examples. If your god thinks slavery is fine, then have fun believing that. Fortunately we have secular laws that make it illegal.
3) The Biblical Jesus was just using the same techniques that cult leaders have used for centuries to keep people from their families who might otherwise talk some sense to them.
It isn’t surprising or a coincidence that IM scam artists are doing and saying the same things today.
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# 1 September 2011 at 8:17 am

I feel sick said:
Shock::::::Horror
Naomi admits abusing boys:::::OMFG:
http://martinwhitmore.com/2009/03/harsh-mistress-of-itty-business/
Dude, it has nothing to do with the fact that I like it. It’s my calling. My proclivities are irrelevant. Abusing nice boys like you is what I was put on earth to do.
See how taking stuff completely out of context can mean so many things you dumb bitch.
I had to laugh at this guys pics that had done for the SpiderWhore:
Seems he knew something a long before the rest of us
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Barbara Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 11:22 am
@I feel sick,
Quick! To the blogmobile! Twitter this to 7,000 people. And take PreemieJack into protective custody while you’re at it. After all, Naomi stated in her own words that abusing boys is what she’s put on earth to do.
If she’s claiming death threats based on nothing then her own words should count for something.
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I feel sick Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 11:39 am
@Barbara,
I ‘m loving this whole out of context thing:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110718051945/http://ittybiz.com/jamie-is-old/
“It’s that time of year again…..I invent a husband, declare it’s his birthday, use that as an excuse to have a sale and subsequently make lots and lots of money off the naïveté of strangers……..And what false scarcity tactics can I employ to separate you from your hard-earned money in such a diabolical fashion?’
At least she’s admitted her deceit, theft and fabrication of lies right here on the interwebs.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:12 pm
@I feel sick,
Here’s another quote straight from the busy mouth of Naomi:
“In March, the Havinator and I got together to teach a class about dealing with money fears. (Havi and I get along really well because we both got rich on the internet by lying about our personal lives.) It’s been $19 since then, but it’s doubling in two weeks, or when we sell the last 100 copies, whichever comes first.”
BY LYING ABOUT OUR PERSONAL LIVES.
Your own words, Naomi, from your blog. She then urges the naive to buy her book while it’s still $10 and says this:
“If you don’t, I’ll go poor and I’ll have to make up more medical conditions for my kids.”
OMFG!! So Jack isn’t a Preemie! It’s all made up for her blog.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:21 pm
@, Why did that post anonymous? It’s me, Barbara.
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Doctor Mario Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@I feel sick :: These are really great … Thanks a lot for doing the digging for us.
I don’t know how long I could survive reading that woman’s insufferable hypocrisy and lies just to sift for gems like these. I really appreciate you {and @Barbara too} saving our brains from that torture … while still allowing us to reap the LoLlerous rewards.
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# 1 September 2011 at 10:49 am

Barbara said:
This had to be the craziest day ever in the Land of Droid. I’ll believe Naomi’s side of this story about the same time I’ll believe James Ray made the sweat lodge “pleasantly warm” and “folks passed” because of nails in wood, or the lack of ants or whatever the fuck crazy story Truc and Luis peddled in court.
Naomi, you know that you lied about the death threats. The two phrases you lifted from this blog and tried to render threatening in your inimitable fashion do not come anywhere close to being an actual threat.
Because you lied about something so important I hope you fail on an epic scale. May you never sell another ridiculous ebook in your sorry excuse for a career.
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# 1 September 2011 at 11:13 am

Stop the madness said:
Great News!!
They have agreed to stop scamming us and formed an important new organization:
Thank you for your interest in the Experts Industry Association! As promised, below is your link.
Click here to learn about “The 6 Industry Resets” that will change the course of our industry (and your career) forever:
http://www.expertsindustryassociation.com/resets
Watch that video because it has far-reaching implications for those of us who share our advice and how-to information with the world.
Also, if you haven’t already seen our Association’s upcoming Annual Conference or Code of Ethics, go here:
http://www.expertsindustryassociation.com/codeofethics
Now here’s the best part.
Every month, starting next month, you’ll receive complimentary training from the industry’s leading voices and legends, sent directly to your inbox at no cost. Just keep an eye out for emails from us.
Talk soon,
– Brendon
Brendon Burchard
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Doctor Mario Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@Stop the madness :: Thank God for Mr. Everybody’s-An-Expert {And You Can Too!} … Brendon “Bust a Cap” Burchard :: Ever-present on the Affiliate Leader Boards for every Syndicate frauduct launch.
Who better than this pillar of Ethics & Industry Standards for the Frauduct Manufacturing Niche to come to our rescue. Hopefully Brendon can teach us all how to be B-Team rubes while he & Syndicate allies continually pwn us with ever increasing prices for ever decreasingly “valuable” “content” …
Thanks for that one @Stop the madness … seriously appropriate.
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Telly Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@Stop the madness, Sounds a lot like “French for trade union.”
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Lanna Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 2:46 pm
I encourage you to open both those links in new tabs at the same time, as I did. The videos auto-start, so you’ll hear two Brendon Burchards talking over each other. It creates a beautiful, narcissistic word salad. If somebody added a backbeat, it could go toe-to-toe with Lydia Lunch or Psychic TV any day.
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# 1 September 2011 at 11:39 am

memyselfandi said:
To Naomi and friends
You want to retweet something retweet this because it’s as close to the truth as you’re going to get.
http://joniverse.com/2395/itty-bitty-shitstorm
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# 1 September 2011 at 11:44 am

Barbara said:
Another gem from the mouth of Naomi:
“(Naomi’s busybody note:I have a few things to add. One, generally, when I’m attacked, I let the attacker do his or her thing and burn out. I don’t feel the need to wave my gun around saying, “Don’t YOU attack ME, motherf*cker!!!” Maybe that’s just me.”
Oh shit…she’s got a gun?
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# 1 September 2011 at 12:46 pm

SD (author) said:
We had to do a thing to adjust for all this traffic … so comments and comment voting are a bit messed up.
Apologies.
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# 1 September 2011 at 12:55 pm

BeBe Smittycakes said:
The guy left his family for an ugly chick. I don’t care.
What I do like is an epic internet train wreck and this does not disappoint! They’re all idiots and need to stay the fuck off the internet.
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# 1 September 2011 at 1:38 pm

Pause4Humor said:
On this post, http://skepchick.org/2011/08/ai-death-threats-and-hate-crimes/, I had to laugh at this brilliant comment by mrmisconception (who blogs at – deep breath – http://mrmisconception.blogspot.com/) in regards to the Dunford/Navarro saga:
The more I look at it the more I believe that this is all a hoax marketing ploy scam.
The brother who so desperately wants him to come home can’t stop mentioning Dave’s Twitter address, or upcoming events, or his Facebook page and everyone who posts there has a suspiciously similar style.
The kicker is that on Nov 14th (a very buzy day for the site) his brother directs Dave to Ms. Dunford’s website.
.
It’s starting to smell like scamburgers.
**********************************************************************
‘scamburgers’ ha!
That one is good for a few days of quiet guffawing to myself : )
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# 1 September 2011 at 4:07 pm
All roads lead to Ed Dale scams | eddalescam said:
[...] Dunsford is a liar. She’s a cheat. She’s a con woman. And like all the other syndicate members she’s easy to link to our [...]
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# 19 September 2011 at 6:49 am
» Deconstructing Dunford said:
[...] hates you Dave” :: whispers Naomi to Dave Navarro about his wife of ten years [...]
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# 22 September 2011 at 10:34 pm

Yakaru said:
“But one lie is quickly one hundred….”
Yes.
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# 23 September 2011 at 4:54 am
» Life and Death Threats » Untangling The Web said:
[...] Second blog post describing the “Mean Site 1″, Aug. 31: Letter to Two Dave Navarros [...]
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# 26 September 2011 at 2:26 pm

SD (author) said:
Check out this bit of blinding ignorance …
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/09/30/anthony-navarro-is-an-evil-scumbag/
… fucking atheists are the world’s most religious people.
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Larry Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
@SD, Wow. If I was ever inclined to hang out with atheists, reading those comments would cure me. What a load of foaming at the mouth reactionist hate and bile. I wonder if the majority of them spit when they talk. They go on about “free thought” and questioning things, but none of them bothered to question Naomi Dunford’s lies. Maybe since they don’t believe they can go to hell, that forum is a self-created subsitute for it.
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Yvette Scott Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 12:22 pm
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@Larry,
If you replace Naomi Dunford’s lies with Jason Jones’ spin and that forum with this forum, you almost have a decent comment.
LOSER!! ::   -6
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SD Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 12:45 am
HeadsUp! PZ Myers … you just started a war with the exact wrong motherfucker …
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William Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 4:25 am
Oh, look. Paul Myers (evil scumbag) is, hard to believe, an Associate Professor in the Biology Department at the University of Minnesota at Morris. Sucking on the government tit and spitting the milk back on the same people who paid for it.
Apparently in his own asshole circle he has a reputation as an aggressive, in your face anti-religion bile spewer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZ_Myers
“He is widely regarded as a confrontationalist.”
Translation: smarmy, narcissistic, total fucking asshole.
I wonder if the University of Minnesota and Myers’ coworkers there endorse Paul Myers’ attacking victims using his nasty little shit-blog and referring to them as “demented fuckwits?” Pretty deplorable if the University supports that.
http://www.morris.umn.edu/academics/biology/faculty/
What a lowlife prick.
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Shorty Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 10:05 am
@William, looks like we’re seeing one of the downsides of the tenure system … lol … what a small pond pseudo-intellectual!
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Yvette Scott Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 12:46 pm
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@SD,
Posture much? Seriously though, if you are looking for a new project you should check out the religious cult called Two-by Twos or Coonyites. Good luck though, lack of government records, under the table funding, chock full of child molesters. All done in the name of God. Now that would be a noble worthy exposure.
LOSER!! ::   -6
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SD Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 2:56 pm
@Yvette Scott ::
Thanks for the advice … but I’m not in the market for any idiot advice at the moment … maybe later.
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Yvette Scott Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 4:43 pm
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@SD,
I didn’t think you would. You get such tunnel vision when you decide to have a personal vendetta. I doubt you could crack that particular scam anyway. It is a real one and might do some real good.
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Stomp Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 7:15 pm
@Yvette Scott, You’ve got tunnel vision and your own vendetta, asswhipe. If you want to do some “real good,” do the world a favor and go fuck yourself.
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SandDune Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 12:16 pm
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@SD, Huh, I always assumed you were an atheist.
Either way, PZ Myers is right that Anthony Navarro is, apparently, a demented religious lunatic.
Why would you start a “war” with Myers? He probably doesn’t know the nature of Dave Navarro’s “business.”
LOSER!! ::   -4
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SD Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 2:53 pm
@SandDune ::
Well if he doesn’t know the nature of the situation :: then he shouldn’t have opened his ignorant bigoted mouth about it.
Anthony is :: in fact :: a nice guy who I found quite pleasant and reasonable in spite of the stressful and bizarre circumstances.
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SandDune Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 3:21 pm
@SD, Lots of fundie Christians are very nice. Especially when you’re an advocate for them.
Reading your comment, I thought you were going to say “in spite of the stressful and bizarre Christian ideologies blaming his mother for her own murder.”
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Shorty Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 4:39 pm
@SandDune, atheists can be just as hypocritical as the very religious. I find PZ Myers to be as polarized and biased as an extreme fundamentalist. All he’s done is replace the biblical god with a scientific god. It results in the same narrow viewpoint that taints how they interpret what they see/hear and in the individual being far more certain of their correctness than they should be. For example, the Anthony Navarro quote getting simplified into “blaming his mother for her own murder.” Nowhere does Anthony say that. His actual words could be interpreted multiple ways…so either read more of the site with an open mind to gain a better understanding of him or ask the guy clarifying questions, but don’t assume you KNOW what he feels about a very complex family situation from one paragraph.
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SandDune Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 6:08 pm
@Shorty, I haven’t accused anybody of being hypocritical.
I think A. Nav holds beliefs that are frankly awful: logically, morally and in terms of communicating with his brother.
If somebody sent me a tirade that used Bible quotes to argue that I was going to Hell – like my murdered mother – because I got a divorce, I might not be best pleased. Certainly not persuaded.
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Louis Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 7:48 pm
@Shorty, Excellent observation. Paul Myers is the extreme opposite of what he claims to hate, blinded by his own arrogance, fanatacism, and general disrespect for others.
He is no different from any extremist, except that he broadcasts and promotes incite and intolerance in a society where he appeared, uninvited, long after its foundational principles and majority view were established.
Myers is like someone who invites himself to your party, then stands before you insulting your wife and children, while simultaneously urinating on your feet and encouraging the thugs he brought with him to do the same.
There’s nothing honorable or respectable about his extremism or bullying, it just shows him to be a vile, egotistical bastard.
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# 30 September 2011 at 2:05 pm

Ichthyic said:
“Why would you start a “war” with Myers?”
because it’s what his fans want.
and, good luck with it. I look forward to the amusement this will create for maybe up to a week even! Better men(?) than Salty (not a compliment) have tried and beaten themselves on the rocks of that shore.
but then, nothing stops internet asswipes from thinking they actually can rule the world to impress the rubes.
I’ll be getting my popcorn, and hoping it doesn’t run out before Salty’s impotent threats do.
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SandDune Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 3:51 pm
@Ichthyic, Do his fans want that? I consider myself a fan, and it’s not the top of my Christmas wish list.
Still, if it’s to be popcorn, so be it. :)
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# 1 October 2011 at 3:22 pm

Lanna said:
What’s going on with the Letters site? I’m seeing a HostGator parked page.
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Wyrd Reply:
May 8th, 2012 at 9:15 am
@Lanna,
I dunno, but it seems to be working at this time from my location.
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Lanna Reply:
May 8th, 2012 at 11:04 am
@Wyrd,
Thanks for checking. It’s working for me too now.
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