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Freedom said:
“it’s not true… but it’s perfect“
Tony Robbins: Awaken The Giant [SCAMMER] Within
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Marcus Aurelius Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 11:38 am
@Freedom, DUde this is funny. Who else wants to listen to the whole recording? Better yet, where’s the techno remix?
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Freedom Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 4:51 pm
That’d be cool for sure to hear Koenigs The Great Swine-Faggot on remix.
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GasparSavant Reply:
April 1st, 2011 at 6:57 am
@Freedom, Junk Course: Thank you for filling my bank account (Sucker!)

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Random stuff Reply:
August 29th, 2012 at 5:32 am
@Freedom, right on point. Yet this blot on humanity is still being peddled by the likes of TED. http://www.ted.com/talks/tony_robbins_asks_why_we_do_what_we_do.html All the comments under his TED talk are very positive – (mostly!) – makes me worry that TED edits out any truth seeking and less than brain washed positivity. Like Warrior Forum? – I hope not.
A request to SD followers – add some balanced comments to the page – link above?
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creeem Reply:
February 8th, 2013 at 3:17 am
@Random stuff, anyone who has 6000 dollars(or 3000, I don’t remember the exact number) can get on TED. Its pathetic. Once you are a member then you get a chance to speak.
That is why there are people on TED trying to convince us that privatization of water is going to results in everyone having water.
They way he misleads people is astounding, he says that right now in africa the youth don’t have electricity in their house but own cell phones. So if we do that to water then even the poor will get water.
What he forgets to mention is that in africa for the first 20 years even the upper middle class could not own a cell phone, even if someone gave it to them free they could not afford the call rates
I remember in India its the same around 5 years ago everyone has a cell phone a cell phone costs $ 20. The same cell phone with lesser features costs more than $ 2000 and it was for around 2-10 years until the incoming charge for a call was removed still outgoing calls were more than 1000 times the current call rates.
So if we used the same strategy for water for 15 years people are going to die of thirst
OOPS Sorry I digressed.!!
Basically TED is not something you can rely one. Even though there are a lot of intelligent people giving speeches there are a lot of lobbies there too.
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Wyrd Reply:
February 9th, 2013 at 9:38 am
@creeem,
Yeah, the TED talks are weird. When I first saw on the Internet several years ago, it seemed like the coolest thing ever. Then I found out–like you say–they’ll basically just take anybody. Or I guess it’s anybody that can and does pay the fee.
The competing Onion talks can teach you about finding the Biggest Rock. And clapping.

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# 23 September 2010 at 7:07 am

Hal said:
Salty Droid is actually an attorney?
and the Syndicate knew that a year ago, pitched Robbins and even warned his team?
LOLOLOLOL
Oh man, I think I’ll go make some toast and see what shows up.
:-D
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jojo Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Too funny. I know and have sat in seminars where the speaker (and he’s been mentioned on these blogs lots of times) does exactly as mentioned in that video. His sequence of events is to start by putting people down, making them think and believe they have a problem and then sells them a solution. The guy I’m talking about he has taken it much much further and made it that much more dangerous and destructive. Salty you bloody devil you, thank God you are an attorney.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
@jojo, This reminds me of the thread on Salty’s previous post. Someone asked, as people do on occasion, why he expends so much effort bitching about the bad guys and doesn’t recommend any good ones. Duff responded with his astute remark about not asking exterminators for recommendations on what makes a good pet. Several other people responded with similar remarks about how this isn’t a consumer review blog but a whistleblowing one. And some said that there really *aren’t* any good guys in IM.
The complaint about a lack of solutions seems to be a recurring one among those who, for whatever reason, are uncomfortable with the type of criticism seen here. For that matter, Steve Salerno has fielded some of the same types of complaints and questions about his book SHAM and the companion SHAMblog. He has been asked why he spends so much energy documenting problems without offering solutions. And Steve’s answer has been much the same as that of Salty and his supporters.
It may seem that I’ve gotten off on a tangent here so I’ll bring it back to jojo’s remark. The hustledorks, including the IM “rock stars” Salty writes about, do their own spiel where they “name the problem,” even though in many cases the problem is deliberately exaggerated or even completely illusory. The h-dorks either lambaste their audience and make them feel like pitiful losers (but losers who have a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be winners!), or — and this seems to be the more common tactic these days among the IM-ers whose stuff I’ve read — they go on about the shaky economy, the lousy government, and other factors that conspire against the individual.
And, naturally, they feel their audience’s pain. It’s just Sales 101, I suppose: Establish phony empathy.
In the recording Salty discovered and that he writes about here, Koenigs suggests exploiting the lousy government/bad economy theme to help market the Money Masters scheme. It’s all about driving home the point that we can’t rely on traditional institutions to look out for our interests any more (which actually happens to be true for the most part, IMO), so we have to develop our own independent routes to wealth, blah-blah-blah. Numerous other IM’ers have used the same theme to promote their frauduct or flopportunity du jour.
The point is that the IM’ers (and other New-Wage hustledorks) have no qualms about defining problems, but, unlike the “poisonous-specter” critics and “haters,” they offer a “solution.”
The problem, of course — and forgive me for re-stating the obvious — is that the “solution” benefits only them. A phony solution is worse than no solution.
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Duff Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
Well put. That explains more than I had previously thought about. Sometimes giving no solution is the right answer, especially in a sea of manipulated problems and self-serving answers.
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Man Of Integrity Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
People should forget about these Frauducts and just build a proper business.
If you need someone to tell you exactly how to do it then perhaps you are better off having a job and let someone else make those kinds of important decisions.
I got sucked into the trap of thinking I need to learn all of these things they teach and I will be an expert.
In the end, yes I did learn something from them but buying some books and reading them I learned a lot more.
You are basically paying for a very expensive narration of business books.
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Janeth Reply:
October 17th, 2010 at 11:23 am
@Cosmic Connie,
A good Internet Marketer is a guy or gal that Works with you hand in hand to figure out the best methods and routes for you to make money online. There is no get rich quick method that’s going to work for everyone and even more so that does not require work and effort.
These guys are the scum of the earth and could care less about taking your hard earned money.
Finding an alternative requires people to do their own research and homework and give up on all the get rich quick crap.
If anyone ever finds the magic bullet you can bet they want be putting it in a video or an e-book.
They’ll be keeping it for themselves and using it to make money for themselves.
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Randy Reply:
May 11th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
i agree that there are alot of internet markteres that use the same theme in thre salesletters.
even in my country (holland) there are alot of those assholes that use the same tactics.
there is only one marketer in my counry that actually gives people real valua. and i knowe this because there are alot of people that use his type of website. and he always calls internet markteting a real bussiness
in his salesletters he never talks about bad economy or peopel that don’t have money. he always tells people that it is hard work and never tells them they can get rich or some other bullshit.
he actually sells a solution for real bussiness owners that are not very goog at making websites or writing copy.
he is the only marketer that actually teaches howe to market. he is always personally available when you call him.
you never talk to a stupid sales theme. he actually works al day and he works hard. he realy tells it like it is.
he actually made product that produced a better wordpress seo optimised website(wordpress is already pretty goog for google rankings.)
and he actually gives free seminars for all his clientents and personnaly supports them.
one of the few marketers who actually calls it a bussiness. he is more focused on people that already have a bussiness and not just people that are living a dream
sorry for this realy long responds, but i just wanted to give a positive note to al the other bad marketers out there.
pitty there are so few real bussiness owners out there instead of al this stupid fake guru’s who sell to newbies.
hope the salty droid never gives up in his fight against these lowelife syndicate people
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Random stuff Reply:
August 29th, 2012 at 5:45 am
@Cosmic Connie, superb. I can’t see much ‘hater’ in your post. Just spot on analysis and alongside what I hope will be one day be ‘everyman’s’ common sense.
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# 23 September 2010 at 7:21 am

french toast said:
Impressive score on the audio… get us links to the full version. The droid delivers the goods again!
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
@french toast ::
I’ll gladly cough up the whole thing if someone wants to volunteer to host it on a robust server. I’m already a bandwidth troublemaker on my free speech server … if I put up a 100MB file and it gets downloaded 1000 times … I’m going to be very unpopular. Maybe I should host it on a podcast server or something.
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Freedom Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
If you put it as a torrent, I think it’ll be the easier way, should you wish to share it
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Duff Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
@SD,
Here are some free file hosting sites that come recommended by Smashing Magazine:
http://www.smashingapps.com/2008/08/28/5-best-free-file-hosting-services-to-store-your-files.html
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SomeGuy Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
@SD, Put it on Amazon S3 :)
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
For those of you who care :: the full file is up …
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n00b Reply:
October 19th, 2010 at 11:49 am
@SD, I may be a slow n00b, but where is the linky link? :)
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# 23 September 2010 at 7:38 am

Martypants said:
Wow Salty, you kicked him right in the teeth. Of course, I am not sure you had any chance of kicking him elsewhere.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 12:08 pm
@Martypants, he likes to “aim high.”
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# 23 September 2010 at 7:57 am

Bo said:
There you go, that’s what we are talking about. Kick ‘em right in the nuts! I wish this blog was no.1 on Google for any search term in the world :), so that people would see the cold blooded predatorial mindset that these people have and how they put their psychopathic plans into action.
It’s even worse than little old sceptic me ever though possible. All I can say is holy crap!
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# 23 September 2010 at 9:27 am

Bohica said:
oh man, SD. major score.
I love the “touching the hem” quote, and in the picture Koenigs touching Tony’s hem!
Meanwhile Kern’s all spaced out doing his best Howard Hughes “I hate being around people (unless they’re giving me money)” impersonation.
CLASSIC.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
@Bohica ::
He picked the wrong fucking country to drop all those blasphemy bombs. People use that word all the time in a totally bogus way … but this old school :: hard line :: str8 up :: blasphemy. Referencing the symbols of purity and godliness in the context of blatant evil.
… check out @CosmicConnie’s illustrative pic …
http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/2010/09/inspiration-from-good-book.html
I hope that every Christian who has taken the time to tell me I should tone down my language {100% of whom received a more than polite response} will have a few moments to say something to Tony Robbins and Mike Koenings for smearing feces all over the central religious figure in your lives.
Some reject idiot threatening to burn the Qur’an is top of the news cycle for a week. How about a much fawned over media figure as party to a truly seedy blasphemous con job? Something tells me that’s a little too close to actual news to be on the news.
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Bohica Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
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@SD,
Didn’t realize you were not a follower of the One True Faith, SD… I’m shocked.
You one of those militant athiests?
…or perhaps you bow to the east 5x/day?
Regardless, your study of religion is as admirable as your knowledge of pop culture.
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SD Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
@Bohica ::
I’m a peaceful agnostic :: says so in my bio.
… and militant atheism is my favorite religion to hate.
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# 23 September 2010 at 9:40 am

Luke said:
Why does Kern always look like he’s in the middle of taking a shit every time I see a photo of him?
You know, that’s just, like, based on my non-professional opinion of what a shit-taker looks like.
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# 23 September 2010 at 9:44 am

holyshit said:
LOL wow salty. This is awesome ’nuff said.
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# 23 September 2010 at 10:29 am

Viv said:
*sigh*
Why does my budget not run to hitmen to take these evil guys out? They make money out of the desperation of others. Surely there’s a law out there that can stop them?
I guess if there were, you’d have found it by now.
Keep it up. You’ll win in the end.
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# 23 September 2010 at 10:49 am

Franken-Jesus said:
“Frank Kern’s Group” – “The Twelve”
It’s almost like Frank is the Jesus of Internet marketing… “Franken-jesus” with his 12 scamming disciples.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 11:43 am
@Franken-Jesus, “the emperor has no clothes”
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Marcus Aurelius Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 11:47 am
@, He did look like jesus in his last launch, right? Probably said something along the lines of “what you want to do is, you want to intentionally and deliberately dress up in all white clothes, grow your beard and your hair long. Have your camera guy put a halo behinnd you, like on the screen, for effect. ‘Cause people are already used to tithing and stuff, you know?” See I’m on to them.
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# 23 September 2010 at 11:19 am

Speechless said:
UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE.
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# 23 September 2010 at 2:18 pm

Duff said:
Preventing people from being taken advantage of–you scumbag! How dare you!
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# 23 September 2010 at 2:31 pm

Cosmic Connie said:
Oh, you “poisonous specter,” SD! Once again, a case of “Pot, meet kettle…”
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# 23 September 2010 at 2:37 pm

Anonymous said:
After listening to this it’s clear that Mike Koenig is a scared bitch. How ironic that this very recording has somehow managed to end up in the very person’s hands he didn’t want. This has made my day.
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# 23 September 2010 at 2:43 pm

Sundog said:
Hot damn! Salty Droid ftw! Dying to know who the 12 are…and what Marie Forleo thinks of this.
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Bo Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
@Sundog, I suspect the “12″ are the people featured in the plagiarisingly called “new money masters” that Robbins and the Syndicate barfed out last year. They probably named it by copying the title of the awesome kickass “Federal Reserve is a private company” classic documentary called “Money Masters”
No wonder these scammers look up to the ultimate scammers uncovered in that documentary. Listening to the audio above for the third time is making me ill. It’s hard for some of us to comprehend that people like this can live among us. No morals at all.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 2:15 am
@Sundog ::
Koenigs says he doesn’t know Marie Forleo at all … and he sounds all pissed off like a baby about it. He’s “cultivating” his own exploited ladies … how dare they recommend someone else. {I think Marie ended up in the series anyway.}
Here they are listed together as members of Joe Polish’s “Genius” Network Mastermind ::
http://www.geniusnetworkmastermind.com/guest/who
And here’s Marie sitting down with Debbie DeAngelo …
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fFRrqfZgzU
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
@SD, Great crew of mastermind Scammers that Joe Has. Its fucked up when boiler room extraordinaires such as Dan Kuschell of A Champion Vision, Randy Garns of Prosper, Steve Thorne (AKA the CEO of PMI that gives orders to Phil Smith) of National Marketing Resources and Dean “Greasy Ass” Graziosi all show up to collaborate with the Big 12 and other top affiliate marketers.
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SD Reply:
August 27th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
@Anonymous ::
Ah thanks for pointing that out … didn’t recognize lots of those Utah names last time I looked at that list.
I notice Tim Ferriss on there too … he’s suddenly everywhere I am … he must have a crush on me or something.
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# 23 September 2010 at 3:28 pm

Sundog said:
Heh…John Reese on the sales page: “The power of non-exclusive customers and how to partner with competitors.”
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# 23 September 2010 at 3:30 pm

Penelope said:
It’s amazing what good PR and money can do to give someone respectability in the mainstream media. Most people think Tony Robbins is just a great motivational speaker, and he has been banking on that credibility for too long. Thanks for putting this video up, these people are just the absolute scum of the earth and need to be exposed.
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Duff Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Unleash the cartel within!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel
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# 23 September 2010 at 4:55 pm

Partial Video Transcript said:
For those who want to see the crap seriously hitting the fan in text format, here you go (watch the video a few times though, to really appreciate the FULL arrogance and deviousness of all this):
Mike Koenigs: “There’s also a poisonous specter out there who is creating some trouble for a few of the guys…his name is the Salty Droid…SaltyDroid.info…check it out…it sucks…but basically…and I don’t want to give this guy more fuel because he’s…he’s…a scumbag, but he’s an attorney, until recently he’s been operating under an assumed name. But he’s definitely been, uh, creating some misinformation, or you know, or basically been a National Enquirer out there, exploitative…”
Robbins Rep: “About this at all?”
Mike Koenigs: “Not about this specifically, but about some of the personalities in the internet marketing community. You know, his whole deal is well, I’m gonna prevent people from being taken advantage of and screwed. So…managing this obviously is just one of those deals. So I think the important lesson here is um, I would certainly look at this as a publicity um, deal too, and you may wanna have someone kind of create some responses in case this does hit the mainstream, especially once the TV show comes up, you know. That’s where my eyes and mind have been and it was one of the things I talked to Tony about.”
Mike Koenigs: “So let’s talk about the um, um, affiliates real fast. You obviously have what we’re gonna call the Tier 1 players, and I uh, call these the “A” list, ok. Basically, the, for lack of a better term, “the twelve.” So let’s say the “A list,” I don’t know, what are they at right now, is it 40%?”
Robbins Rep: “Yes.”
Mike Koenigs: “So we’re gonna call these the “B List.” Of course, we won’t publicly say this.”
Robbins Rep: “Ok, right. I do have a question about this real fast. So when you’re talking “B List,” are they “B List” now because let’s say all these 20-30 people…”
Mike Koenigs: “Everyone else aside from the people who are the interviewers…”
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Jack Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 11:46 am
@Partial Video Transcript, I don’t understand the part where Mike Koenigs says, “but he’s an attorney”. I’m trying to understand why he would say that unless maybe he meant to say, “I don’t want to give him credit, but he’s an attorney…”…so he might be right that we’re all criminals.
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Luther Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
@Jack, Hi Jack, I think maybe Mike Koenigs means he wants to keep all the credit to himself. Or maybe he wants everyone’s credit cards, or he wants the credit and their credit cards at the same time, I’m not sure.
Just thought I would mention that, while my toast is cooking. My toaster-oven is broke so I’m having to boil it in a crock-pot. I can’t see Tony Robbins’ face in the toast yet, but maybe I haven’t stirred it around enough. I’ll let you know.
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# 23 September 2010 at 5:08 pm

B said:
I have often wondered why these guys look and talk like they have a tampon stuck up their ass that just inflated. Do you wonder about that too?
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# 23 September 2010 at 5:13 pm

jojo said:
I think you have just exposed the evil plans used by people who have been operating under that very shaky guise of personal development. Bitch. Yoohoo
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# 23 September 2010 at 5:44 pm

the lights are coming on said:
Thank you Salty Droid aka Jason for today’s post and all posts! It has truly made my day. This doesn’t just go on behind Internet Marketing and self-help gurus, it stretches far and wide.
Yes, the lights are coming on. Let the light shine, let it shine!
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# 23 September 2010 at 6:30 pm

2b1ask1 said:
I just sent Mr. K a piece of my mind… you might do the same here:
http://mikekoenigs.com/contact/
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Speak Your Mind Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:54 pm
@2b1ask1, Way to go!
Every person reading this should click on that link and give Koenigs their quick opinion about calling Salty a “scumbag” for wanting to “prevent people from being taken advantage of and screwed.” What nerve!
Not to mention dissing every affiliate marketer in existence except for his special “12″ syndicate gang members who aren’t on the SHIT list…the so-called “B List”…where he said, “Of course, we won’t publicly say this.”
It’s high time people like Koenigs get some real feedback. Speak your mind!
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Illuminated Minerval Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 4:54 am
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@2b1ask1,
The Syndicate now has your IP address, Markus. The black helicopters you think staged the 9/11 attacks are coming your way.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
@Illuminated Minerval ::
I already had it … the skull and bones have been alerted.
Muh ha ha ha!!!
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Deiss Affiliate Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 10:29 am
@2b1ask1, I am with you. Mike Koenigs is the worst of the worst. I have interacted with him at certain events and he is the kid who wants to be popular so bad that it hurts.
The slimy new age talk gave him dialogue that even he could stick to, and his ass kissing of Kern and company is off the charts. I know many back stories.
Most of the members of, “The Syndicate” are everything Salty Droid says they are in terms of being professional con men (although through basic psychological self defense they would not think of themselves this way – believe me I know as someone who only recently admitted to myself that I have been part of the problem as a PAST B team super affiliate).
But at least some of them are funny (you have to give Kern that), and in person can at least “seem” straight up. But Koenigs is something beyond that – just a slimy person. Kind of J Edgar Hoover like in his will to power – if he ever actually got some real power it would be a scary thing.
And you know the guy cross dresses.
And thanks to the Droid for making a difference. Without this blog, I probably would still be part of the problem. I am young enough to figure something else out.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
@Deiss Affiliate ::
Your welcome! Does he cross dress really or are you just bullshitting? Cause I could totally see that. He’s one uncomfortable little man …
Just Like My TrannyHusband
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Yellow Sun Dress Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
@SD, It’s not entirely implausible, after all, Andy Jenkins is a member of “The Syndicate” and he really can twirl a feathered boa:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c96U5ZK_mKk
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# 23 September 2010 at 6:43 pm

Irwin said:
I was recently spammed with some interviews of Mike Koenigs with Dan Kennedy and I felt so dirty after watching 30 seconds that I had to have a shower.
Koenigs. What an evil douchebag. Forewarned is forearmed.
Gratsi Salty.
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# 23 September 2010 at 6:46 pm

Lol said:
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Dude, you suck. The Syndicate blows, yes, but Robbins products are quality. He’s helped out a ton of people and done a ton of good in this world. You snark peeps on a blog hiding behind a picture of a robot (and gave yourself a fake nickname to boot). Life according to Droid: “I failed with my internet business…so nobody can succeed, it’s impossible.” What a credo, lol. All this coming from a guy who relies 100% on his wife’s income to get by. Disgraceful.
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yawnz Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:23 pm
@Lol, dude all of those insults have been used over and over. You’re stale.
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Zipp Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
@Lol, The droid has NEVER had an internet business and doesn’t match your fantasy, tool. Lame false quote, too…kind of like the lies and fake testimonials of the cons you worship. Then again, you’re only here because you are worried, as you should be. The world is waking up, and your seedy kind is soon to be on the rail headed out of town. Pack your bags.
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SyndicateExposed Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:54 pm
@Lol,
While it’s true that Tony Robbins may have helped people. You also fail to realize that the guy charges a lot of money for what he gives and you also fail to realize that some of his sales tactics are not very ethical because they do not allow others to make a decision for themselves.
The guy uses manipulation & literally mind control plus force to get people’s money instead of telling people what he is selling & letting them decide for themselves on their own.
Duff has already stated that he went to a seminar where he split people into groups. The group A that was buying his stuff had ganged up on group B to figure out anyway to get the money.
That’s not a very nice way to do business & it is very unprofessional.
Let people decide on their own. Give them the information of your product & any benefits/features they may get from it. And then leave it at that. If they say no. Figure out why & try to convince them ONLY if you honestly believe that they are really better off buying it & won’t waste their money. If unhappy – Give a full refund regardless of how long ago they may have purchased. Help them make a decision which is best for them but do not go around making decisions for them. That’s is no one’s place.
That’s professional!
Tony Robbins materials do have effective techniques & can help with personal development but understand…
A) He is not a medical doctor, nutritionist or therapist (Some of his programs are about health & nutrition)
B) He is not a qualified financial adviser (Some programs are about making money)
C) Some of his stuff may lead to suicide (As stated by Duff)
D) You may financially screw yourself due to high prices compared to the actual value of his stuff.
Take this analogy: You need a qualified doctor to prescribe you a medication to insure it works without harming you.
Tony Robbins maybe a unqualified doctor writing prescriptions for people & charging high fees. His prescribed medication is powerful but without that power directed safely. You may harm yourself.
I’ve also heard that Tony uses NLP to brainwash people into thinking without Tony – they can not be successful in life. Also heard he sexually harassed two young females. (Don’t know if it’s true but that’s what I heard from someone. )
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Duff Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
@SyndicateExposed,
There were many unfair sales tactics used by Robbins at the UPW I attended to sell his Mastery University. I didn’t catch all of them, but I remember a few.
When he split the groups into two, it was “who’s committed to going to Mastery University” vs. those who weren’t, and he had group A verbally mock group B. This of course creates incredible pressure when you’re dealing with 2000-5000 people.
Robbins also encouraged giving a post-dated check for the course deposit if you didn’t have the money and “find a way” to get the money into your account by the date of the check. Horrible.
He also used the twisted logic of if you think you can’t afford the multiple thousands of dollars “Mastery University” (not including airfare to Fiji, room and board, etc.), then it’s just your “limiting beliefs” that will keep you stuck in poverty forever. Of course, the opposite is true–if you keep giving guys like this all your money, you are guaranteed to remain poor forever!
WINNER!! ::   +23
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Martypants Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 11:42 am
@Duff, they hate the haters…because reason doesn’t float here. If you give these guys a nickel from a credit card and expect it to be the only one, you are being naive.
Post-dated checks. Access to credit cards. Legitimate businesses do not ask these things-for they don’t have to. Keep looking at the bread Duff. Stare, deposit, and believe.
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Anthony Mahavick Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
@Duff,
I remember a really subtle thing. I actually noticed it first in the original Rocky movie.
In Rocky, early in the film, when Rocky is reaching a peak state they ring the “end of the round” bell in the soundtrack. They do that enough times to get people anchored to that sound.
Then at the end of the movie, when Rocky makes it through the big fight, they ring the bell about 25 times in a row. It’s a fun little piece of a fun piece of entertainment.
Robbins does the same thing, though, during his sales pitch. He’s been ringing a bell during key moments during the hours leading up to the sales pitch.
Then he rings that damn bell a bunch of times when he needs people to take action and sign the contract for the upsell event.
It’s subtle, and it’s tricky, and it’s utterly evil.
WINNER!! ::   +10
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Duff Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
@Anthony Mahavick,
Yea, anchoring. Robbins also sets up yes sets (not just 3 yesses, but hundreds) throughout the 3 days prior to the multiple hours long sales pitch. Then he does the same call-and-response yes sets when pitching Mastery U.
“Who’s committed to their success? Say YES!”
“YES!”
“Who’s going to speak out about these frauds? Say YES!”
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Wyrd Reply:
May 16th, 2012 at 10:36 am
@Anthony Mahavick,
That makes sense. I happen to know where that idea comes from.
That right there, that’s an example–actually it’s like the canonical example–of classical conditioning. [wikipedia.org]
You get the audience to associate the bell with something good and/or exciting. Then at the end, you ring the thing like crazy and they’ll be excited about signing that thing that means they’ll be poor, but that they’ll have a fun, expensive trip and maybe even the chance to “touch the hem” of that oh-so-awesome cult of personality figurehead who’s slowly (legally) taking all their money and destroying their lives.
–
Furry cows moo and decompress.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 3:30 am
@Lol ::
That’s such a tiny way to think chumpsicle . The battle is about ideas … and facts. It’s not a personal success pissing contest. That’s just another one of their dumb games.
… and … relying on your wife is one of the Top 5 ways to achieve financial success online. I’m gonna do an e-book about it … “Marrying a Michigan Law Grad Blueprint” … and you can too! {actually you probably can’t :: these genius girls tend only to be attracted to “scumbags” and “poisonous specters” … ha!}
girl power!
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Slowly Waking Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 10:53 am
@SD, sign me up! I’ll pay you $100000000000000097 GoogleBux for your ebook!
Unless I have to wear maize-and-blue Ed Hardy.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
@Slowly Waking ::
You have to wear maize-and-blue in Ann Arbor or some trust fund asshole will puke on you.
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Lol Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
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@SD,
No pissing contest at all sir. Simply pointing out the facts, and to assume that your previously failed ventures won’t influence your perspective is naive and unrealistic.
And since you’re all about the facts, here’s a few more to suck on:
http://greatnonprofits.org/reviews/anthony-robbins-foundation1
Knock the dude for his smile – or mistake in dealing with the syndicate – or his possession of special mind control powers that make you do whatever he wants, etc etc etc. Fact is, he’s impacting people in a very positive way, while you’re putting the final touches on “Marrying a Michigan Law Grad Blueprint” and think up creative insults (like chumpsicle”).
Tiny way to think indeed.
LOSER!! ::   -7
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
@Lol ::
You have a strange idea of what constitutes “facts” douchecanoe {“douchecanoe” brought to you courtesy of same said Michigan Law grad}.
He ain’t got any special “mind control” powers. It’s just agressive sales tactics and group manipulation … it’s easy to learn … and if you’re a psychopath it’s easy to execute.
Here’s some other “foundations” I love …
http://saltydroid.info/paid-for-life/
http://saltydroid.info/tellman-knudson-running-for-cover/
… everybody’s a fucking alturist
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Duff Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
“He ain’t got any special “mind control” powers. It’s just agressive sales tactics and group manipulation … it’s easy to learn … and if you’re a psychopath it’s easy to execute.”
That’s exactly right, which is why conversations about the sophisticated tactics are so often a red herring. It’s simple stuff, executed with utter ruthlessness that gets people to conform.
“The experiment demands that you continue.”
WINNER!! ::   +12
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SyndicateExposed Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
@Duff & SD,
That’s right!
It’s easy to learn but takes a evil mind to apply & is VERY hard to detect by the majority of people.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
@Lol ::
from the profile of that same site …
“Your donation of $50 enables us to:
send a library of Anthony Robbins’ books, CD’s and DVD’s to a health and human service organization whether it be a school library, or a juvenile detention center, or homeless shelter or similar
Your donation of $100 – $500 enables us to:
start a youth mentoring program in a school, or youth oriented organization or allows us to give our Inmate Program to a detention facility, prison or juvenile detention center.
Your donation of $1000 and up enables us to:
bring teens from all over the world to attend our annual Global Youth Leadership Summit. A full scholarship ranges from $1000 to $2500 depending on where the student lives.”
… so you pay him to lube his sales funnel … I’m tearing up at the epic humanitarianism of it all.
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Duff Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
@SD,
Wow. Just wow.
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Yakaru Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
@SD,
“…or a juvenile detention center…”
*speechless*
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Wanderlost Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 8:51 am
@SD, Oh God, how sick. THIS is the great humanitarian foundation he’s been boasting about? I want my $5 back for the yardsale UPW cds I bought! Oh, wait, I didn’t buy it from Tony Robbins, but some poor chump who probably paid way too much for it. Never mind.
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Martypants Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
@SD, I would be really interested to see some of these success stories…the fact that the donations “enable” actions, does not mean that said actions ever actually transpire. Not at all.
As icky as the premise is, I would seriously doubt that a donation to this foundation enabled anything more complicated than a deposit.
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bryanb Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 2:58 am
@Lol, still waiting for your stimulus check? hahaha
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I wantz 2B rich Reply:
February 27th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
@Lol,
Who has he helped? Kerns, Koenigs, other IM Mafia members? Don’t tell me Rob-’ems is a stand up dude.
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# 23 September 2010 at 7:13 pm

Hannah said:
While watching part of a Tony Robbins Breakthrough TV show with my 15-year-old daughter, she kept saying “he looks evil” every time he’d smile. This post confirms her instincts were right. Interesting how she picked up on that even though she has no clue who Tony is and doesn’t know anything about IM.
WINNER!! ::   +19
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SyndicateExposed Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:59 pm
@Hannah,
Children & young teens have a tendency at reading people’s intentions. They are intuitive more than adults & they are better able see subtle hidden gestures someone maybe hiding.
WINNER!! ::   +12
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# 23 September 2010 at 7:21 pm

SyndicateExposed said:
“Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are.”
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Duff Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 10:45 pm
@SyndicateExposed,
The irony is Robbins himself has a saying just like this.
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Freedom Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:14 am
That’s reverse psychology to its best. But we don’t buy that shit anymore ;)
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SyndicateExposed Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
@Freedom & Duff,
haha.
I never knew Robbins said that but I learned that quote from a lot of great people who actually follow what they preach. (My teachers when I was young).
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# 23 September 2010 at 8:07 pm

Dean Rankin said:
Frank wants to be Tony Robbins so bad!
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And Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 9:22 pm
@Dean Rankin, And so does Mike Koenigs. Just listen to him try to play authoritative in that recorded meeting. He tries hard to position himself on the same level as Robbins. Of course, he comes across more as a dung beetle.
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# 23 September 2010 at 8:24 pm

Ann Austin said:
Droid–this is both delicious and creepy. I came for the Sedona and have stayed for everything else. I’ll be going where the internet doesn’t reach for about a week and will be very curious to see what you’ve been up to until I return.
Duff, Connie, Dave, Cartman, Yakaru–Cheers!
WINNER!! ::   +11
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# 23 September 2010 at 9:35 pm

Partial Video Transcript (Cont'd) said:
Here, Mike Koenigs coughs up the “back story” (emphasis on STORY) for Tony Robbins’ pitch, and Tony’s rep calls it “perfect”:
Mike Koenigs: “What I would do on the sales page is I would just do the high integrity…get ‘em with some heavy stats…about, you know, bring ‘em down first, get ‘em feeling a little bit miserable and say I have the answer and I know because it worked for me…so I’m giving you my sales pitch right now…but uh, Tony can borrow it.”
Mike Koenigs: “Here’s the way I do…Hi this is Tony Robbins um, you know, many of you know me for all the great things I’ve done, accomplishments, blah blah blah. I got introduced to the internet marketing community. And I know what you might be thinking. Well, It looks like a bunch of hucksters and scam artists. What I found is exactly the opposite. Many of them have no education, you know, other than a high school education, often times making five or ten million dollars a year with a minimal staff of just a few people who like themselves are not heavily educated necessarily and I wanted to model them. Now, I’ve implemented a lot of these programs in my own business and frankly I’ve completely transformed and changed the way I’m going to be doing business. I’d like to introduce you to the New Money Masters.”
Robbins Rep: “This is perfect.”
WINNER!! ::   +13
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
@Partial Video Transcript (Cont’d) ::
“exactly the opposite” … well maybe not exactly exactly
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Jack Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
@Partial Video Transcript (Cont’d), Translation #2 of Mr. Koenigs:
“I would just do the high integrity…”…shtick.
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# 23 September 2010 at 9:40 pm

Buck Daddy Rice said:
Excellent video. My jaw’s kind of hanging wide open as I listen to the things these guys say.
Excellent work.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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# 23 September 2010 at 10:45 pm

Dave said:
I’m not sure how you managed to acquire that tape Jason, but that is hardcore. Koenigs just lets fly on his evil plans.
Reminds me of Second Peter relating to false teachers “And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you”
WINNER!! ::   +11
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jojo Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 2:30 am
@Dave, Those guys are dumb to their own evil but they also grossly underestimate the power of the people who have been misled by them. The authorities should be alerted and should step in and investigate this sort of sham especially after the James Ray debacle. Shame on Tony Robbins.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 3:38 am
@Dave ::
2 Peter 2:3
Just to complete the citation … I hear god is an asshole about proper citation.
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# 23 September 2010 at 10:56 pm

Appalling said:
Listening to that audio, it almost sounds like Mike Koenigs is trying to bust his way in charge and take over as the “Godfather” of “The Syndicate.” What a power play.
That’s got to make the rest of “The Syndicate” members extremely pissed, especially when he talks about letting them “feel Tony’s hem.”
Maybe Koenigs is strategizing for himself to become THE entire “A Team,” while “The Syndicate” members get pushed down to be his ‘bitches’ (the new “B Team”), and then, all the mainstream affiliates (the poor suckers) end up going down yet another notch to the “C Team.”
Listening to that recording is enough to make you sick. There is no possible decent rationalization for what was said and planned. Intentionally setting about to make customers “feel a little miserable” when your public face is supposed to be SOMEONE WHO UPLIFTS PEOPLE (and when so many are already feeling miserable in this economy already) is just deplorable.
This is absolutely appalling.
WINNER!! ::   +12
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 3:52 am
@Appalling ::
He said some strange stuff about Frank too. Frank was pissed about something … they never said what but they made reference to it … and Mike says some bullshit about how Frank doesn’t really care about money he cares about “story” … whatever that means. It was almost like he was encouraging them not to make something right with Frank.
On the other hand … he also says that Frank is the “Mick Jagger” of Internet Marketing … which reeks of man crush.
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Freedom Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:22 am
Maybe we are assisting of the implosion of the syndicate, because of their bad kharma. Thanks Salty for making this possible.
Also I’m laughing at the other members of the syndicate pissed off at Koenigs after seing your post, and how Tony Robbins will kick Koenigs ass. I usually hate drama, but this kind of drama is worth listening to!
I TOLD YOU GURUS, YOUR KHARMA WOULD EAT YOU
WINNER!! ::   +9
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wtf? Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
@SD, Didn’t someone walk in on Jagger and Bowie???
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Liar Crusher Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 12:32 am
@SD,
The story is how Frank separates people from their Money…remember him driving around in that VW bug van playing his dumb-ass geetars…it is the story that is the glittering lure people can’t keep their mouths away from. Little do they know what they are really mouthing after all!
Frank’s shtick has taken him this far…for a reason…it works for him…it is merely a Means to the money, NOT that he doesn’t care about money…
This is how Mike is “selling” Robbins on the scam without Robbins recognizing what is happening…these are the sociopathic tactics at work. See, Robbins cares about his story…he’s attached to it. He tells others people’s stories and makes more money. Robbins instinctively “knows” that story is what matters. This was Mike’s way of shooting something that a casual observer (and Robbins himself) pays no mind to as a comment, but that has a HUGE effect on the sales itself. Robbins just swallowed the grenade in that comment…and he still has no idea what happened…
Without the stories of bullshit these guys tell the bait…I mean, marks….there is no money….
Liar Crusher
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# 23 September 2010 at 11:48 pm

A Real Blogger said:
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haha – one of those fail videos
oops
LOSER!! ::   -15
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A Real Blogger Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 2:10 am
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@A Real Blogger, This is a classic example of some people not understanding something and other sheeples following.
A fail video is a video that shows someone doing something and failing – a la the boys of the syndicate in this one
An oops – similarly is a fuckup which is what the boys of the syndicate have been shown up as doing in this video.
When I look at -11 rating for making those comments I realize that there are 11 failed ratings from people who misread something and I wonder what else they are misreading here
LOSER!! ::   -8
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SD Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 2:18 am
@A Real Blogger ::
Or maybe we just don’t like you.
I’m feeling pretty certain about the accuracy of that “read”
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A Real Blogger Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 3:22 am
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@SD, well I certainly hope you’re not misreading anything else because there’s no law against labeling people (A team, B team, bald headed, fat, and all the other names on both sides of the fence – the ones they use and you use along with the sheeple on this site)
There’s no law against being a high powered salesperson or accepting money from people who have decided to give it to you when they have come to the conclusion that the price you’re asking warrants what they are handing to you.
In fact – it could be argued that they have done nothing legally wrong and could be misreading comments on here as defamation of character, and then again they could be correctly reading comments here as defamation of character too!
LOSER!! ::   -6
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 11:56 am
@A Real Blogger, There may be no law against labeling people “A Team” or “B Team,” but wasn’t there a bit of a conspiratorial edge to Koenigs’ voice when he said, in regard to the “B List,” “Of course, we won’t PUBLICLY say this”??? It seemed that they wanted to keep that “A List/B List” hierarchy from going public.
I have never gone along with the name-calling about people’s looks, and some of the invectives that fly back and forth here make me cringe. But I think the little robot’s heart is definitely in the right place. And as far as I’m concerned, the big problem with what I heard on that audio file wasn’t the legality or lack thereof. It was what I perceived as grievously misplaced hero worship, arrogance, and an underlying thread of utter contempt for the masses whose hard-earned money has fueled so many bloated schemes.
So, while I may still not be quite up to speed on the ins and outs of who was saying what, and why they were saying it, the larger message came through loud and clear.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Dr. _cartman_ Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
@A Real Blogger,
In fact – it could be argued that they have done nothing legally wrong[....]and then again they could be correctly reading comments here as defamation of character too!
uhhuh….as a Retarded Poo Flinging Monkey (without anything but a poorly executed theoretical CONstruct) you could argue that…ohh but wait…you can’t REALLY argue that…a definition (my bad) of character lawsuit (or any type of lawsuit where you are seeking damages), would require a mitigation of those damages (oh I don’t know, like some steps taken attempting to MIT-I-GATE “damages”)…I guess you could argue that they weren’t aware of what was going on…oh but wait…you can’t REALLY argue that either..the audio proves they were aware…
In fact…it could be REALLY argued that they have done everything legally wrong and could be misreading comments here as definition of character, and then again they could be correctly reading comments here as definition of character too!
See how my thesis beets your “argument”…Oh fuck….a thesis…Im’ so happy…I just earned my Doctorate of RPFM…
Dr. _cartman_ PhD
WINNER!! ::   +10
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# 24 September 2010 at 2:34 am

SteveO said:
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“The guy uses manipulation & literally mind control plus force to get people’s money”
And if that doesn’t work, he brings in bigfoot to rough you up a bit until you buy his stuff.
Tony should be locked up. It’s just not fair that he has an island and I don’t. Making money on the interwebs is evil. Booooooooo!
Losers, lol.
LOSER!! ::   -16
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 4:03 am
@SteveO ::
I’m sorry for interrupting your massive action value creating money making with my robot awesomeness.
Your booooooos have been registered with the complaints department.
Trolls, lol.
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# 24 September 2010 at 3:30 am

Wiggin-Out said:
OMG – that was totally awesome SD – you really are the bot!!
I’ve listened to it three times and it’s brilliant how you’ve brought this out in the open for us all to hear.
If ever anyone needed any clarity or proof of the syndicate and the shit morals they stand for, then this, my friend, IS IT!!
I don’t know how you did it (did you build a Robbins employee droid and send it in mic’d up?) but either way I am so happy that they will all be crapping their pants and wondering what else you have up your robot sleeve.
Now if you could just get a recording of the ‘crisis meeting’ the syndicate will be scuttling to organize – discussing how you are going to ruin their scheming ways…..now that would be a joy to listen too….with a cuppa and some ‘toast’!
WINNER!! ::   +8
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
@Wiggin-Out ::
… and everyone knows that robot sleeves are HUGE ….
keep popping them xanax ladies!
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# 24 September 2010 at 7:39 am

James Ray said:
Oh my god, I just threw up….No Joke…
Check this http://mikekoenigs.com/jvpartner-affiliate/
“How to become my JV partner or have me promote your products and services
I’ll call this “I wouldn’t trade a billion intentions for one result.”
Read these words:
Integrity
Congruence
Value
Honesty
Transparency
Brand
Loyalty
Repeat Customers
If we’re going to work together, you need to understand these values”
I think its you that needs to understand these values Mike, you fucking scumbag
WINNER!! ::   +13
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 10:42 am
@James Ray, Now, that’s some seriously eye-rolling stuff. I’m tempted to say the use of that word list at the beginning of the page is some kind of New-Wage doublespeak, but that probably gives too much credit to Koenigs. The more likely explanation is that, like an increasing number of his colleagues, he is simply using words he thinks will paint him in a rosy light (and that he imagines will render him and his buddies marginally more “critic-proof”). So forget the doublespeak; it sounds more like simple hypocrisy.
And what’s so remarkable — the point I still can’t get over — is that in the 36-minute tape alluded to in Salty’s post, Koenigs called *Salty* the scumbag.
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Sheesh Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 10:44 am
@James Ray, Wow. What a crock. Listening to that recording at the top of this page, I can’t say any of those words really jump out.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
@James Ray ::
I like these bits …
Dear B-team,
“If you haven’t sold or promoted my product first, get it through your head right now that I’m not going to promote your product.”
“Sell my stuff. Prove you did it. When I send you money, I know you’re real.”
“If you don’t already own all of my products, buy them, get results and become my greatest success story. I’ll share your story with my audiences and make you more famous than you already are.”
“You’ll notice I rarely promote other peoples launches unless I have history and they’re proven (Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, Eben Pagan, Andy Jenkins, John Carlton, Bob Serling).”
Yours in Love and Success,
Mike Koenigs
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HA! Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
@James Ray, Here’s some interesting bits from Koenigs page you referenced: http://mikekoenigs.com/jvpartner-affiliate/
“Sales material and copy. You need to invest in understanding MY audience, not the other way around. Get on my mailing list. Read the outbound messages. Read my blogs. Study my products. Use them. Get results. Then write the outbound copy and subject lines for me in my voice so I don’t have to do all the work.”
>>Don’t you mean, “So you don’t have to do ANY of the work?”
“Reputation, not cash. That’s my only real asset besides time.”
>>Looks like you just lost all your assets buddy! Cuz your reputation suks and any hope you had of continuing to fool the world… it just ran out of time.
“I protect it like a wolf”
>>So much for protecting it like a ‘wolf’ … You probably should have said you ‘I protect my reputation like a vulture’ – much more accurate… though I am willing to bet Little Mikey likes to see himself as a wolf, the Alpha Wolf, of course… oh but poor little wolfey mike was born too small :( So instead he uses his ‘cunning’ to try and topple the the packs current alpha… Kern. I wonder if Kern even realizes just how incriminating Mike’s statements are when it comes to revealing how he really thinks and feel about him.
“I don’t care about squeezing an extra dime – I care about customers for life.”
>>Don’t you mean sheeple for life? I mean, yeah, who cares about squeezing a dime when you can drain a bank account? And here’s the thing… people say stuff like this cuz they know it’s the ‘right’ thing to say but don’t really believe it. Koenigs DOES believe in ‘customers for life’ … in that he wants to keep people miserable for life so he can keep selling them stuff… because if more than a few people actually ‘make it big’ … then he loses his base! So I do believe him when he says His entire sales strategy is designed around ‘getting cusomers for life’
“So my brand and association with someone else’s brand must be impeccable.”
>>UUhhhhhh….. seriously? How did this get on here?
“No second chances. I ban customers for life that burn us or are abusive. Same with partners.”
>>That’s right… you speak up against his products in ANY way (regardless of legitimacy) and he will take you down like a ‘WOLF’! (vulture, actually)! How dare anyone speak to the challenges with his products!
“I surgically remove and excise shysters, vampires, users and abusers from life and business without remorse.”
>>A) He just threatened to kill people for being shysters (watch out ‘the twelve!! he’s on to ya!’ B) He fancies himself a vampire hunter now too! (proly dresses up like buffy the vampire slayer when no one is home) C) Why would you threaten to kill ‘users’ on your system? abusers, sure, I mean, it’s totally legal to ‘Surgically remove’ abusers ‘from life and business without remorse’ but regular users? Well… on second thought… I guess it makes sense if they stop buying… please continue.
“No opportunities to fool me twice.”
>>Sure ‘opportunities’ may not fool you twice… But Salty Droid has got you 1-2-3-4-5… oh I lost count of how many times… does SD not count? Why haven’t you surgically removed SD yet? Oh wait… like you said… he’s ‘an attorney. Damn. Guess it’s just ‘one of those things’, hey Mikey?
“Don’t exaggerate, because the truth will come out and that will be it. It’s a small world”
>>Oh it sure is a small world alright… sure is, Mike. Truth? Well she be a purin’ out these days! And the world sure seems to be gettin smaller. In fact, I’m willing to bet yours is getting smaller by the minute! ps. have you seen how small the rooms are at Club Fed? … talk about a small world hugh?
“If you don’t already own all of my products, buy them, get results and become my greatest success story. I’ll share your story with my audiences and make you more famous than you already are.”
>>Fame! Fortune! Hair Plugs! I’ve gotta buy all his stuff RIGHT NOW!!!
And last… to wrap it all up…
“I don’t compromise. When I do, it makes my life hell.”
>>So…. when exactly did you compromise then… little mikey? Cuz it looks like your life is starting to suck pretty bad!
HA
Rock on SD!
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Magoo Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
@HA!, This part really takes the cake:
“I surgically remove and excise shysters, vampires, users and abusers from life and business without remorse.”
The only thing particularly believable in that sentence is the “without remorse” phrase, which seems otherwise out of context there.
What a massive ego for such a little “man.”
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# 24 September 2010 at 10:14 am

Ben Dover said:
Crazy!! There couldn’t have been that many people in the room with TR at the time of the recording. Salty, are you getting your info from a inside “guru?”
On a related note about internet marketers, does anyone know about this site?
http members salestubesite com/funnel_events/204
Don’t remember how I found it. I wanted to learn to market with video, however it kind of looks like a Kern knock-off with very suspect income claims
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
@Ben Dover, I admit I’m a little confused by your comment, and I also admit to not being up to speed on all the IM stuff the way Salty apparently is. But if you’re talking about the 36-minute recording that Salty wrote about above, and from which he extracted highlights for his video on this post, Tony Robbins wasn’t in that room and Salty wasn’t claiming that he was. From my understanding, this was a recording of a meeting between a couple of IM’ers (including Koenigs) and a representative of TR’s organization, in which the participants discussed strategies to make the Money Masters scheme more attractive to Tony.
There was also some talk about Frank Kern’s involvement, and as Salty noted, Koenig talked about Kern like he was a real rock star.
Apparently the efforts to get Tony interested worked, as evidenced by, for example, this blog post of Salty’s. But if you don’t believe Salty, believe Koenigs, unless the pic on this page was Photoshopped: http://mikekoenigs.com/81/
Here’s a link to an enlarged version:
http://mikekoenigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mike_tony_frank.jpg
But I rather suspect the photo is real.
If instead of the recording you are referring to the photo at the top of *this* post, which features the Big Man, little Koenigs, and Frank Kern looking stunned, I admit I thought that was a Photoshopping job when I first saw it (I mean, Photoshopping beyond the little Droid sig on the frame in the background). It seemed I’d seen Frank in that same dazed pose elsewhere. But on closer examination it looks pretty real to me; I guess that’s just Frank’s normal demeanor, as someone else mentioned here. Besides, Koenigs himself wrote on the page I linked to above:
“Impressed and overwhelmed (in a good way) with Tony’s presence [at one of Robbins' pricey seminars that Koenigs attended years ago], teaching style and charisma, I vowed that someday I’d return the favor he gave me in some small way.
“There’s much more to this story than I can share now, but I’ll simply say that after 12 years, I’ve been given the privilege of returning the favor to Tony.
“Several of my peers and good friends (Frank Kern, Mike Filsaime, Jeff Walker, Eben Pagan, Brendon Burchard) and I are consulting with Tony and his executive team – providing insights and resources to help him with his Internet presence.
“And to make that dream even bigger still, Tony spent a day in my studio with me and my good friend, Frank Kern shooting videos for an upcoming campaign…”
That must be where the photo on this post of Salty’s was taken.
Amusingly, Koenigs ends his post with, “Now back to chopping wood and carrying water” — a reference to an old Zen saying that inspired a bestselling book a few years ago about how to live once one has achieved enlightenment. The New-Wage gurus and IM divas always have to give things that McSpirituality flair. I guess they think it makes them look cool.
Koenig’s post, by the way, was dated February 3, but it doesn’t say which year. I am assuming it was 2009, though.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
@Cosmic Connie ::
I don’t think that’s exactly right.
For our purposes … the only IMer in the room is Koenigs {cause I don’t care about his employees … even Pam probably … you hear that Pam?}. There are at least two people :: probably three :: from Robbins “Research” :: in the room. It’s an execution meeting not a pitch. The pitch and plan happened before this meeting. Of course Mike is always pitching in some way … cause him’s a slimy shit weasel … but that’s not what he’s supposed to be doing.
Except the robot … I haven’t touched the photo. It’s too perfect just how it is. It’s from the day they filmed the interviews for the DVD. The tiny feet in background behind Tony are those of Debbie DeAngelo.
Also note that the Robbins sales footage cut into the movie was shot the same day as the photos.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
@SD, Okay, got it. As I noted, I’m still a little confused. Some of the audio file was indistinct and I couldn’t hear everything real well, but it sounded to me — and I’m remembering something that occurred towards the beginning of the audio — as if Koenig and gang had already produced a video of some kind and had shown it to Tony’s rep(s) (or maybe to the Great Man himself?) and it wasn’t quite up to par, so they were trying to figure out ways to amp it up in order to get Tony more excited about the program. I may have misheard that, though.
I’ll probably have to go back and give it another listen and maybe I’ll understand it better. But I’m thinking that maybe a better use of my time would be to clean the cat boxes or scrub the toilets.
In any case I will defer to you because you know much more about the backstories and the individuals involved than I do. And you’re right: that photo is perfect, although the little robot gave it just the crowning touch it needed.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
@Cosmic Connie, Oops, I spelled Mikey’s name wrong. I meant “Koenigs.”
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Stoic Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
Being a cynic, I think Ben Dover probably owns the squeeze page he linked to and is less interested in the Toasted Tony saga than scamming a few more email addresses for his list.
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SD Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
@Stoic ::
Yeah I think you’re probably right. Link broken …

Ziggy Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
@Cosmic Connie, That was clearly a marketing strategy session, CC. It was pretty evident that they were working out implementation details.
Did you notice Koenigs ask TR’s rep to remind him what the Syndicate guys were getting as a percentage? She said, “40%.” So the project was already way past greenlight. It was obviously a done deal, and at this point, they were just working out sales tactics.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
@Ziggy, thanks. I’m learning as I go here about the ins and outs of frauduct launches. It’s not my normal beat. So you’ll have to forgive my naivete and incomplete understanding of everything I heard on the audio file — factors that have apparently earned me some “minus” scores for my comments on this part of the thread. Hey, folks, I’m on your side (unless you’re frauduct/guru defenders).
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Dr. _cartman_ Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
factors that have apparently earned me some “minus” scores for my comments
It’s not the comments; We are being visited.
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# 24 September 2010 at 11:12 am

Ross Jeffries said:
You are my hero, Salty.
Don’t know how you got this recording, but my guess is that others with similar dirt who have been holding back will be emboldened to come forward.
Kudos……
WINNER!! ::   +10
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# 24 September 2010 at 12:09 pm

Yakaru said:
You’re my hero too, Droid! There’s not much else to be said after listening to those scumbags. It’s almost like they were reading from a Droid parody script and missing out the expletives.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
@Yakaru ::
The only reason the expletives are missing is that they were the ones recording the meeting. There are a couple of times where they start on something … and then stop because of the tape.
Shocking as it sounds … this is still them on their best behavior. I promise you … my parody is deadly accurate.
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Yakaru Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
@SD,
I’ve never doubted your parodies are deadly accurate, Droid! So let me rephrase it:
It’s almost like they were reading from a Droid (non)parody script and missing out all the bits like “I’m a slimey shit weasle”, etc, etc.
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# 24 September 2010 at 2:28 pm

For Fuck's Sake said:
There are several facts we now know for certain thanks to this post:
1. (In case there was any doubt) The Syndicate is a Bunch of Back Stabbing Amoral Fucktards
Exhibit A: This is perfectly exemplified by this paraphrase from the gaping hole of Koenigs: “there are other people in the industry you may want to interview, but shouldn’t because there is too much noise around them. By the way, the 12 of us have the biggest criminal records of any IM hustle-dorks and we’re being outed publicly by the evil evil droid.”
Literally, this shit came out in the same breath.
Are you paying attention “B team?”
Here’s a recording of them SELLING YOUR ASS OUT.
2. The Syndicate is SCARED
Their little moles come out here and comment on these pages to sew the seeds of doubt in our brains. All of us have seen these posts. We can now ignore them. Right from Koenig’s gaping gash we hear about how the Droid is having IMPACT.
People, we need keep this up because when you have someone on the ropes it’s not the time to let up or let your guard down.
3. The Syndicate SHOULD be Scared
Fuckos: All the rumblings about secret documents, leaks, and actions against you? You’ve probably figured out by now that all that shit is REAL and that this is just the itsy-bitsy tip of the shit-berg.
It’s no longer “your time is gonna come.” It’s coming RIGHT NOW.
Are you paying attention affiliates and employees of the Syndicate?
They will obviously sell your ass out for a nickle. SAVE YOURSELVES NOW and come out with ALL the information you have. When this stuff goes legal, you could be held to account for your silence.
WINNER!! ::   +24
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the great tribulation Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
@For Fuck’s Sake, it’s a new era and the common people are demanding answers.
To affiliates: If you are still involved in internet marketing scams, stop it now while you have the chance to walk away unscathed. Truth can never be hidden for long. Better get some knee pads and start praying, your judgment day has arrived. King KARMA is having his way with you fools.
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# 24 September 2010 at 3:09 pm

Holy shit balls! said:
Wow. Just wow.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 24 September 2010 at 3:17 pm

SyndicateExposed said:
The Droid should get his own TV show on busting scammers, cons & fraudulent businesses.
That’s how he’s going to monetize his website. By becoming sooo fucking good at busting psychopaths… That now he’s flying to Hollywood.
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SyndicateExposed Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
@SyndicateExposed,
Take that Robbins! Your TV show lasted 1/10 the time I spend a day looking at my smut videos.
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Walt Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
@SyndicateExposed, Gets my vote. THAT would be some serious reality television. And I’d definitely buy the T-Shirt.
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SD Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
@SyndicateExposed ::
Fuck Hollywood … I already have instant global distribution … what I need them for?
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G Reply:
February 28th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
@SD, The cocaine, the cocaine whores, the raping and pillaging of morality (and young cocaine whores)…? Oh…wait…you’re not into that…there’s also all the money…but you do need to develop a strong cocaine habit in order to avoid meeting your personality…
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# 24 September 2010 at 6:36 pm

Yep I said it. said:
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Buried Comment (Reason: idiot troll propaganda)   Show
You know, if you spent half as much time actually trying to make money in most types of business versus sitting here and reading this crap and discussing it at length, you could be a financially productive person.
I’m talking to any of you who think “Oh the IM game is fixed and I can’t make money at it.”
That’s good. Feed that negativity in you. You probably lost out at your first attempt and want to justify why you failed. You didn’t fail because of some cartel or syndicate. You likely failed because you didn’t entirely know what you were doing and didn’t follow it up.
I’ve wasted too much time here. Stop justifying your failure and wasting time here and go do something productive.
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LOSER!! ::   -19
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
@Yep I said it. ::
It only takes about 7 minutes to read one of these articles.
… and all your walls come tumbling down.
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SD Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 11:39 am
@Yep I said it :: begged his girl friends on another forum to come here and vote his idiot propaganda comments up because they were all LOSERS!! … just so we all know what’s what.
Winning by cheating … must be so satisfying.
If that first comment doesn’t get voted back down by the end of the day … I’m disemvoweling it. Sorry about your wasted efforts shit eaters.
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Yep I said it. Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
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@SD, Jealous that I have like minded friends? Or people that or equally willing to call your bullshit? You do nothing but insult. Are you capable of even mounting a rational defense? Probably not. That’s why you regress to your ad hominem bullshit.
It’s okay Salty. It’s your site. I just wanted you to show your true colors.
Thanks,
Yep, I said it.
LOSER!! ::   -34
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Enough is Enough Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Here is what “Yep I Said It” who posted above (and who also goes by the name “Ophidian” on an illegal pirate torrent site) posted on that forum:
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I decided to get in to a troll war with Salty Droid today. For fun partially and part because I think he’s a self important prick.
http://saltydroid.info/tony-robbins-and-the-syndicate/
It’s towards the bottom and the name used is “Yep, I said it”.
See, Salty Droid doesn’t like the fact that I made him look foolish on his own thread and he proceeded in replying to me when he could have just let it go. Stupid move.
The only way to fight back, is to UP vote my posts. So please, I ask my fellow TV members, can you please up vote the posts by “Yep, I said it” towards the bottom of the above article?
Many thanks and hey, it’s better than me being a troll here right?
Ophidian
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Ahaha you guys rock. You pushed my original post from a -4 to a +5. I don’t know if it was entirely TV but, nice work. For those who didn’t vote but were curious what I wrote I’ll quote it here. I was more or less annoyed that the comments were these “I can never be a success because of the IM syndicate” type crap. That and well, Salty Droid just gets on my nerves. I don’t care if he’s telling the truth or not. His “journalism” is abrasive at best. His best defense to my argument was to call me “fuck-o”.
This man is supposedly a lawyer? I berated him for it. He dropped me in to the negative marks to make sure I disappeared. You guys fixed that on a few of the messages.
Ophidian
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How about this totally idiotic comment “Ophidian” made:
“I don’t care if he’s telling the truth or not.”
You’re out of control, “Ophidian,” and you just dragged all your buddies (and non buddies) over there through the mud as well. Bet THEY really appreciate that! What a foolish idiot you are.
WINNER!! ::   +24
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Slowly Waking Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
@Enough is Enough, how funny that the only defenders the Syndicate has are people who steal their products!
Good one, Ophidian/Yep I Said It. PS Suck a dead cow’s decomposing dick.
WINNER!! ::   +7

SD Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
@Enough is Enough ::
OMG that’s highlarious!!
I found a plugin that allows me to bury the comments apart from the voting … but it looks like it was unnecessary because the peoples have prevailed over the trolls anyway … as usual.
@Yep I Said It ::
This is such a funny place to troll. Especially because of all the relatives of dead victims who are here :: and people on the edge of suicidal thoughts :: people whose self worth has been ruthlessly destroyed :: people whose savings have been depleted to nothing {or worse} during one of the world’s rainest days. How dare those people have a laugh … or be allowed to think for a moment that maybe they aren’t so bad after all!
Right troll? Fuck them. Not if this Droid asshole is going to cost me one or two sad little conmissions.
Well anywayz :: thanks for once again showing the type of non-human bastard required to make that :: “it’s not them … it’s you” argument … fuck-o.

Michael Swift Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
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@SD, I just looked at the clock and I’ve been reading comments for 40 mins.
All he said was if people spent more time trying to make money instead of complaining that they can’t make money they would be better off and he’s right. Maybe not entirely on topic, but right nonetheless.
And he clearly said “I’m talking to any of you who think ‘Oh the IM game is fixed and I can’t make money at it.’”
If that’s not you, why so defensive? Why the juvenile, personal attacks? Shit eaters? Your girlfriends? DUIs, Divorces? Really? It’s like you asked your little brother and his friends to write your responses for you.
I like what you are doing with this blog, but I definitely have less respect for you than I did 45 minutes ago.
But at least it appears that your regular commenters can act/type like adults or you’d risk losing a lot of readers that could actually benefit from the information here.
Or maybe that’s just your style and the immaturity works for you. I don’t know, this is my first time here.
Either way, keep pulling the shades up on these “gurus”. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
@Bullshit, Do you just copy and paste that reply to comments you don’t like? It makes absolutely no sense as a response to what Yep I said it wrote. Monitor and incarcerate someone who says spend more time being positive than negative? Jeez.
LOSER!! ::   -10
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Uh Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
@Michael Swift, Say hello to your pirate buddy “Ophidian” for us (“us” being anyone who doesn’t like scammers).
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Wake Up Call Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
@Yes I Said It: It seems incredibly stupid that you would come here from an illegal pirate torrent site where you routinely *steal* other peoples’ property, in order to bash victims. That you would also encourage other members of that illegal pirate torrent site to come here to help you spread your psychopathic venom is even MORE stupid. Are you completely nuts?
WINNER!! ::   +10
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Bullshit Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
@Yep I said it., You said it alright. Just like a true amoral sociopath. I would suggest you grow up, but people like you simply don’t. They just need to be constantly monitored and incarcerated when that doesn’t work.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +5
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Yep I said it. Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
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@Bullshit, I’m sorry, you know me how?
I should group up.. why?
I am an amoral sociopath.. why?
People like me. I love broad generalizations.
@SD, 7 minutes? Your video alone was 7 minutes in this piece and is cut down. Do you cater to the speed reading crowd? Also, it’s nice to provide a full transcript somewhere at the very least. Given that anything can be taken out of context if cut correctly it’s just good form. As a lawyer I would sort of expect you to know that. If you’re one at all.
Yep, still saying it.
Go make money. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. I’m not even following my own advice by wasting my time replying. C’est la vie..
LOSER!! ::   -20
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
@Yep I said it. ::
We know you from your lame words fuck-o … and their constant lame reappearance here.
Not even following your own advice seems like a good idea … your advice is very bad.
But seriously … never come back again … then you’ll get rich for sure!!
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Yep I said it. Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
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@SD, More ad hominem attacks! This place is brilliant! If you don’t agree with the status quo you will get down voted and character attacked until you leave!
I love your style. Seriously, get some integrity. I know why you don’t spend time as an ACTUAL attorney. If you acted like this anywhere near a court of law most people would laugh.
Don’t like the plaintiff’s defense? Call him a fuck-o!
Yep, I said it.
LOSER!! ::   -19
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
@Yep I said it. ::
Where do you get your info about what happens in courts? Judge Judy? Or are you just speaking about your own personal experiences with divorces :: DUI’s :: and the like?? {hint :: that’s not a real question I’m just being condescending}
You get flamed around here :: fuck-o :: for being :: or sounding like :: an idiot propagandist … which is clearly what you are.
Anything else you’d like to “yep I said” before you fuck off into the night with your d-bag tail between your legs having accomplished nothing but your own humiliation? If so :: please be sure to include some random bullshit story about why you can’t stop lingering around a place you hate. A place full of scumbags and dark specters without integrity.
Have fun with your Internet monies!!

Anonymous Reply:
February 27th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
@Yep I said it.,
If you don’t like it here, go get your own sandbox.
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zipnar Reply:
February 28th, 2012 at 3:37 am
@Yep I said it.,
Yeah, this troll is clearly out of his/her league.
As an expert on troll etiquette, this troll should be advised that he/she is breaking the cardinal rules for troll posting.
It is imperative that a troll post is to refrain from providing:
- proper capitalization
- legible spelling
- effective punctuation
- 3rd grade (or higher) reading level grammar
This troll also refrained from any mandatory rants under the effects of CAPS LOCK syndrome and ignored clearly established guidelines for excessively gratuitous and grammatically incorrect profanity involving goat genitalia and auto-fellatio.
As far as trolls go, I unfortunately have to give @Yep I said it…
… a big F+.
(He/she gets the ‘+’ for the “fuck-o” at the very end. Unfortunately, too little vitriol, too late.)
Trolling: FTF
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G Reply:
February 28th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
@Yep I said it.,
Well…you ARE a fuck-o. It’s like YOUR NAME! Ahahaha..
Wow, it’s amazing how fun this is when you are troll-sniping at trolls. I think I last did this in 1993 :)
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SyndicateExposed Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 2:12 am
@Yep I said it.,
SD never ever talked about it being impossible to make money online.
I will set the record straight & say yes it is very well possible albeit a few factors exist into the equation however.
The Syndicate bankrupts people my friend. Tell me how would it be possible to make money then? Bankruptcy & being in debt takes the energy out of you.
Especially debt made into info-frauducts which are sold for extremely inflated rip-off prices that most likely cannot be converted into assets.
The majority of people’s money should have been put into implementation & business operations rather than these frauducts.
The SD blog is NOT negative… It is seeing things as they way they are. Not as you wish them to be.
This blog is in fact PRODUCTIVE to people who want to start a online business. Because it gives them invaluable information about scandals that are really going on in the IM world.
A lot of people think about some of these people are their mentors & they perceive them to be like a god-like friend. When in fact they are actually a very dangerous enemy.
A fake friend is much more dangerous than a upfront enemy.
In business you NEED to know about people’s character.
This blog has probably given a lot of people including myself a bunch information that has allowed me to avoid pitfalls in the future which may have cost me A LOT OF MONEY. (I’m talking thousands of dollars.)
Positive thinking works… But a lot of people mix up self-delusion with positive thinking. You need to who is pointing a gun at you to survive.
Survival comes first. Growth comes second. Without survival, you CANNOT grow no matter who fucking hard you try.
Negativity & being critical done in the RIGHT WAY & FOCUSED in a correct manner is actually a very positive thing. You need to first see what is up against you and then you need to come with a optimistic plan on how you can work around it.
That is being positive. Long-term optimistic and short-term pessimistic.
WINNER!! ::   +11
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SyndicateExposed Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 2:25 am
@SyndicateExposed,
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”
-Thomas Jefferson
That’s exactly what these people want. They HATE SD… They do not like how badly they are being exposed.
If they were a legitimate business they would NOT be even mentioning SD in meetings.
They would simply call their attorneys & let them handle it. But you want to know the real reason why the don’t?
It’s because everything on this blog is true and incriminating. Bringing attention to this is a BIG BIG BIG NO NO.
Having this case in court in front a Judge along with all this incriminating evidence is a just big disaster waiting to happen with the law.
  +6
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SyndicateExposed Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 2:30 am
@SyndicateExposed,
If this was to go into a civil case the Judge would be very interested in turning it into a criminal case and do not underestimate the power of Judges. They do have certain powers and connections as well as receiving incentives for prosecuting people.
  +1
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What? Reply:
September 28th, 2010 at 4:01 am
@SyndicateExposed,
“Long-term optimistic, short-term pessimistic”
What a great phrase.
Schopenhauer would love you.
Thumbs up chief. :)
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Name Unimportant Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 8:52 am
@Yep I said it.,
You said:
“If you spent half as much time actually trying to make money in most types of business versus sitting here and reading this crap and discussing it at length, you could be a financially productive person.”
The same could be true the other way around…
If the “gurus” could spend half as much time actually making real money in real businesses and teaching real strategies, versus making money by selling how-to-make-money products and spending most of their time manipulating people into buying them, more and more people would be financially productive.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Yep I said it. Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
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@Name Unimportant, I think you fail to realize that people like Robbins DOES do that. He owns a number of businesses that can probably be found and outlined somewhere. Owning the largest spa/resort in Fiji. He’s different than the IM crowd and the IM crowd probably just wants to use him for his name. I think people here act like these people’s products are full of complete garbage that isn’t useful yet a number of people use the same tactics they use to make money in different businesses. So what if you’re not the “A Team” in the IM world, go find another market.
Yep, I said it.
LOSER!! ::   -21
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Stoic Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
@Yep I said it.,
The reason that the Syndicate look up to Toasted Tony is because he is the PROTOTYPE scammer for their own operations, not because he is ‘different’
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G Reply:
February 28th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
@Yep I said it.,
You are so wrong buddy-boy. Robbins did the frauduct thing before internet marketing was as ripe as it is now. He did it the old-fashioned way. In a way he is indeed as another reader called him, the PROTOTYPE scammer. His programs do not work, they DO fuck with your mind and they DO cost unreasonable amounts of money. I know because I went through a couple of them and it’s only after I studied hypnosis by myself that I recognised what this guy does. You should read up on LGAT (google it). It is essentially brainwashing, and guess what one of the things he brainwashes people into doing is? Buying more of his shit.
Some of the people that work for him make Tom Cruise look balanced.
And in case you were wondering, yes, Scientology uses similar methods, just a question of style really, but the objective is the same. Defraud the marks of their cash.
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# 24 September 2010 at 6:53 pm

SomeGuy said:
Droid, release a press release on PRweb or send a tip to a few major news writers. There is no way they could resist writing about this. It would get some major publicity and they would be finished.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
@SomeGuy ::
1. SuperHeros don’t issue press releases.
2. There are already some reporters around here … they just need to sack up.
3. Someones else should do those things though … good ideas.
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A Real Blogger Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 1:16 am
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@SD, yep – just the job for YOUR sheeple… haha
LOSER!! ::   -7
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# 24 September 2010 at 9:56 pm

InternetScamsters said:
The new money masters reads like a who’s who of internet marketing scam artist douchebags:
https://www.tonyrobbins.com/products/business-finances/money-masters-series.php
all the con-artists are listed there:
Jeff Walker, Frank Kern, Eben Pagan/David Deangelo, John Reese, Dean Jackson, Mike Koenigs.
Please make sure you buy this overpriced crap because you have low self esteem and you can not be successful without it and you will probably fall for our copywriting BS hype… even though it is mostly info you can find for free on the internet or is just rehashed from products we have been repackaging for the last five years.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 25 September 2010 at 1:16 am

suck my salty dick said:
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Pussyboy
LOSER!! ::   -26
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SD Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 2:26 am
@suck my salty dick ::
no
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# 25 September 2010 at 1:33 am

Affisio said:
Hi Salty.
First message I write. Wanna thank you for this website it was really enlightening.
My question is, if this guy make 60 million USD yearly why does he stop? If he’s a fraud like you claim, whats the point of going on.
There is this saying about rich ppl “don’t ask me how i made my first million”. But after 60-a few hundred -isn’t it easier to stop?
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Bo Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
@Affisio, You must very little about human nature, or about sociopath – it’s not about JUST money it’s about the power and the feeling of getting another one over someone. Why didn’t Jim Jones or recently Bernard Madoff stop? It’s the thrill of “the game”.
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G Reply:
February 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
@Bo, Actually in madoff’s case he couldn’t stop. That’s the nature of a Ponzi scheme. It WILL end at some point, and it will end in complete ruins, because maths is not an opinion, but as long as it carries on it’s the good times! (for the scammers). Kinda like a race along the highway with cops chasing you…it has to end…badly, but hey…what a joyride of destruction you can have for a while…
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fed up Reply:
March 30th, 2011 at 8:15 am
@Affisio,
the financial numbers are all distorted lies, or haven’t you been paying any attention to this blog. If you turned tony robbins upside down and held him by his ankles until he cried (hey…not a bad idea), you wouldn’t find 2 nickles falling out of his pockets, and not just because his pockets are filled with greasy kids stuff either. It seems there was once upon a time when the guy was making, and spending, some real bank, but these days, it is obvious that it’s a pretty desperate grab – you can barely get anyone on the phone over at his office.
Why do you think he needed to barnacle up to these crustaceans in the first place – he needs the cash to pay the mortgage on his wife’s boob job, silly duck, otherwise the good doctor is going to take them back and Robbins willl be left squeezing his own man boobs. Think about it – Tony Robbins would have never let these smaller players anywhere near his email list – he would be taking their lists and leaving them with nothing but vampire marks on their empty souls. The guy can barely pay his monthly nut as it is, and Salty hasn’t helped him one bit in the ol payola department. Well heck, I’m getting all teary-eyed just thinking about it. The bottom-line is, don’t believe everything you read, cause it’s all conjecture and bullshit.
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# 25 September 2010 at 10:14 am

Tariq said:
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Fuck off you losers.
I make about 60k-70k per year promoting these gurus marketing courses to my Internet marketing lists.
I have yet to hear any complaints, so what is your problem?
How much do you make listening to this clowns rants?
I will be reporting this garbage to Tony Robbins staff, have fun when his lawyers come after you next week.
This site’s days are numbered. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Tariq
LOSER!! ::   -29
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Richard Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
@Tariq,
This site’s days are numbered. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Richard Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Meant to say, it sounds like your days are numbered!
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Bo Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
@Tariq, Hey Dumbo, come after him for what? For playing an audio where his co-conspirators plan to scam his and their customers? I am sure that will go down very well, especially with something called discovery – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_%28law%29
Also who has more to lose – Salty who is a lawyer and can represent himself or the dbags who will have to shell out hundreds of thousands if not millions going after him?? LOL.
How does it feel to be a part of the B-team and be called a “scumbag” by Koenigs? Feels great, right, as long as the scam money keeps jiggling in your pocket, you crap of a human being.
WINNER!! ::   +12
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Poop Chute Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 8:07 am
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@Bo, While I agree with Salty’s opinion of the Syndicate…and MAYBE, just MAYBE there’s some truth to what he’s saying about Tony Robbins (Robbins would have been MUCH better off not hooking up with the idiot scammers in the Syndicate — I see what the syndicate gets out of it and why they would go after him but can’t for the life of me, if Robbins is fer real, imagine why he would need to hook up with them), there are privacy laws that exist in this country for a reason.
If that recording wasn’t meant for public release…you can’t just publish it without their permission. If Salty has the permission of someone at that meeting…maybe.
But that’s why we have law enforcement and courts and judges and…my gosh! Attorneys, too.
Where I part ways (and where so many of you instantly now mark my posts down) is this whole “Salty’s a lawyer” argument — like that’s some badge of courage and honor and valor that will blazen its way through the courts and win against every challenger.
People — there’s a reason why attorney jokes outnumber almost any other category — they are the worst bunch of scumbuckets on earth to begin with. This is NOT a reason to listen to what someone has to say.
I would say, generalizing the way Salty does about everything — that attorneys are about the least trustworthy people on the planet. Yet, Salty-boy repeats this as his source of “authority,” the reason we should listen to him.
About what? About his opinion of what is right and wrong with marketing and sales in the Internet world. Not that he has any EXPERIENCE there (just like the folks he bashes for saying they have experience when they don’t). Just — he’s an attorney. So listen.
Then I read his blog, which is FILLED with NLP and “us-against-them” and an over-abundance of assumptions and what-ifs…which the minions absorb like manna but is actually the SAME tactics being used to sell his agenda as those he’s railing constantly against.
To make matters worse, Salty engages in outright fraud himself — something he condemns here, by claiming this blog is “unmoderated” when, in fact, I’ve seen him ban people, monitor who is using what IP with what alias — even setting myself and at least one other person to only be able to comment once per post (sorry this is running so long but, under the restraints dear Salty set up for me I gotta get it all in once or wait for a new post — til Salty bans me fer good).
Would you call THIS “unmoderated?” You should check out the definition of moderate, as it applies to forums and blogs, sometime.
Of course Salty can argue it’s his blog and he can do what he wants with it. That’s his right.
But the US also offers everyone — bad or good — the right to due process in this country. Salty should know that above anyone else, yet here, marketers (ALL marketers, it would appear, ANYONE who would dare to actually SELL anything) are not only flamed for their misbehavior, they are tried and convicted by a bunch of anonymous people.
Salty also manipulates this blog’s comment marking system at will — sometimes making mark-downs count as TWO when you hit them, rather than one. Sometimes turning them OFF.
The point? In Salty’s own words — if you participate in ONE fraud, you are most likely participating in a bunch.
So we have a “lawyer” who claims to be running an open unmoderated blog who obviously is lying about that and moderating his own way, which — very lawyer-like — he doesn’t consider moderating in any way.
I’ve made it very clear here I am all for what Salty’s accomplished — especially exposing the Syndicate. But, when you say Salty’s got an advantage because he’s a lawyer and can defend himself while they will have to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to go after him — you’re truly showing how naive you are (or blinded with Salty-stars in your eyes).
Salty’s ONE attorney. I’m betting Robbins and some of the others have DOZENS. Many on retainer. They could bury Salty in depositions that would keep him no longer blogging for WEEKS, if they felt he was a serious threat.
But — seeing what I’m seeing — they realize that only the blind mindless types who follow the Goo-Roos would fail to see the huge flaws in logic and assumptions made routinely here — and the brash abusive style of language. And it negates a lot of the best work being done here as soon as rational people see it.
In short — I think Salty feels secure that he won’t be sued because he feels they won’t want all this brought out in the public eye. He might be HOPING they will sue, to accomplish just that — but they most likely won’t. Because he’s taking SOME business away from them — but not enough to matter and…they know it can’t hurt them enough.
I mean — so Salty chases $2 mil a year away? Does that really matter when you were making 15 or 20?
Besides — sometimes it doesn’t take a lawsuit to go after someone. Sometimes it just takes the right amount of money and influence to make sure the right DAs go after that somebody, ya know? There aren’t just CIVIL infractions going on here, after all.
That being said, I see now that Salty is clearly selling something here. I was at first taken back there was nothing being sold. But there is. It’s his personal agenda. And you guys are buying it, lock stock and barrel, in spite of the fraud, in spite of the fact that he’s a fucking ATTORNEY (like — one of those guys who, if he’s on a schoolbus full of ‘em at the bottom of the ocean it’s considered a good start?), in spite of all the mind-control shit he’s doing to all of you through this blog.
It’s funny.
I’m hoping that, in the end, Salty’s intentions are real. I’m hoping his end goal is the announcement that — sheeple — you did it again and followed a fake Robot persona right into another pit that was designed to attract you, sell you on an agenda. Just like THEY do.
Then tells you to STOP it.
THAT would be rich.
But I doubt now that this is Salty’s intent.
And I’m not about to hand due process, however slow and full of faults our legal system is, over to the likes of the Droid.
Salty’s outted a lot of people who need to be. I am sure he will do more. But he’s just as dangerous as any lynch mob that decides to take justice into their own hands.
Lynch mobs can be fun when they’re dragging OTHER people, kicking and screaming, to the gallows — until they decide YOU, TOO, by whatever twisted criteria they’ve created in their own minds, are guilty and must be hung.
Finally — the whole matter of the FBI profiler I mentioned a long while back. All of you take great joy in jumping on comments like mine, marking them down and sending your pot shots in replies…especially now that Salty’s restricted me to one comment per post (how am I to reply to your often-ill-informed replies when I am allowed just one comment…so why do you reply and ask questions I can’t answer…it really shows your lack of intelligence when you do).
Anyway — that really seemed to stick in Salty’s craw a bit. And some of you more-visible minions. I can imagine why. But the lady I met hasn’t got back to me. She said she would do one and she could still. I don’t know. Personally I hope she does but I don’t even have her number — she has mine and said she would contact me when finished.
I will make sure I share it if she does but…sheesh! What if she does get back to me? So what? What if she does a profile? What are you guys so fucking frightened of? She said it would be extremely intriguing. So what? I can tell you are — the way you constantly bring it up after I mentioned it ONCE tells me you’re actually a bit WORRIED about that prospect.
Using your own logic, if you’re worried about such a thing, why? Must be what you feel would come out?
Then there is the total MIS-information flying around from a bunch of people who basically never really did anything to make money online. Like the one I saw a while back, “proving” beyond doubt there is absolutely no way to make serious money with a blog. I particularly liked that one since I’m working with a number of clients with very successful blogs who happen to pull in six figures.
The difference? They work. Every day. They publish useful information people want to read, attract an audience, and make a living publishing.
That thread just killed it for me here because it shows the total ignorance flying around parading as intelligence when it’s nothing more than middle-school-level bullying with one guy jumping on others then the rest jumping in when he’s been subdued.
For example — all of your arguments for why a blog could NEVER make six figures a year pointed to one source of revenue — per-impression ads. Totally naive. Build a blog on that basis alone and you will starve. But — has anyone heard of…Adsense? Or…JVs that pay 50% for your ads? Or affiliate programs that pay 20-75% of every sale? What about your OWN products? What if you were also selling your own products on a blog, plus you have pay-per-click ads, and some JVs and affiliate ads going on.
God forbid — what if you had a readership of 10,000 very tightly niche-focused devoted readers advertisers in your niche were DYING to reach and willing to pay you nice advertising rates to reach? Not pay-per-impression. Not pay-per-click.
Ever hear of CPA?
And — believe it or not, dork droids, but there are countless other ways to make very good money with a blog and it’s being done all over. Just not in IM. Not re-selling how to sell. Not fraudulently.
That discussion, like so many on this blog, reek of ignorance and spread it. Salty even jumped in and agreed, showing HIS ignorance of the topic as well.
The point is, any criticisms and frustrations I’ve directed at Salty or any of you who jump on my criticisms or statements of frustration come from a sincere desire to see exactly what is happening now take place — the Syndicate being exposed for what it is and hopefully brought down.
If that’s a side benefit of Salty’s manipulating and fraud of his own, great. But the ends still don’t justify the means. I refuse to hand the judge and jury over to Salty’s hands cause he’s such a “bad-ass” laywer.
Now — you can all say I’m just another Troll. That’s the standard dismissal here for anyone who disagrees with anything (another nice mind-control ploy, by the way). You’d be wrong but — I won’t be surprised.
And you can toss your questions and comments as replies that I can’t answer. Another popular mind control tactic.
It won’t change the fact that you are most of you (especially the most vocal supporters — you know who you are Duff and Connie et. al.) being suckered into Salty’s unspoken agenda just like Tony would love to reel you into the back-stage buying frenzy.
LOSER!! ::   -23
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Dr. _cartman_ Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 9:34 am
@Poop Chute,
If that recording wasn’t meant for public release…you can’t just publish it without their permission. If Salty has the permission of someone at that meeting…maybe.
That isn’t a surreptitious recording, and the fact that all party consented to the conversation being taped, they in essence would have no expectation of privacy.
Even if the recording was stolen, unless the owner outright stated that fact, salty would have to be “on notice” for that to be anything close to a crime.
I suggest you learn law other then from a TV show.
Your name so fucking suits you, it isn’t funny. I can only imagine what’s in that rest of your diatribe but I can’t be bothered to read it.
WINNER!! ::   +19
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 10:47 am
@Poop Chute, while I think your voice deserves to be heard like everyone else’s (and I did read your entire comment), you are right: It’s Salty’s blog and he can do with it as he wishes. I just wanted to address a couple of issues in your comment.
I have never thought nor have I said that Salty’s status as an attorney renders him all-knowing or invulnerable. But I do think he has considerably more knowledge of the applicable legal issues than the average person and, especially since he is not actually hiding behind a veil of anonymity like you are, I suspect he wouldn’t do anything to truly compromise himself.
Nor have I ever believed that Salty is a saint, but as I’ve noted before his heart seems to be in the right place, and whatever egotism and inconsistencies may sometimes be apparent on this blog, I see in him a genuine compassion for people who have truly been victimized. That, as much as his wicked sense of humor and excellent Photoshopping and video skills, is what keeps me coming back.
I have been a “vocal” supporter of this blog, even though as I’ve said before the name-calling sometimes makes me wince, because it displays, in ways that almost never fail to amuse me, the hypocrisy of the rah-rah selfish-help culture. That is an issue I’ve long been interested in myself and have tackled, in my own shallow and mostly humorous way, on my own blog.
Regarding the income possibilities of blogging, my own issue has never been about whether or not it is possible to make six figures with a blog. I’ve never seriously tried to do it; Whirled Musings is a hobby for me. My issues have been with the deceptive marketing and bloated egos of many if not most of the selfish-help gurus.
As for the audio file Salty shared, I guess this is kind of a 21st-century version of the Watergate tapes. Maybe we can call it SyndiGate. Whether it makes a big dent in anyone’s business or not — and I suspect you could be right that it won’t make much of a difference for some of the top players — it is bringing some more shady stuff out into the open. It’s making people a little more aware.
Finally, how do you know I have been “suckered” into Salty’s “unspoken agenda?” For all you know, the reverse could be true. There could be subliminal mystical messages in my blue avatars. If pictures of a little blue robot start showing up on this blog, you’ll know that’s the case.
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Freedom Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
@Poop Chute, thank God your post is masked cause it takes shitloads of [USELESS] space. BTW, why ‘poop chute’? Do you eat poo?
Listen. This blog isn’t made so that you can make posts that talk about you. Nobody gives a fuck about that. Not that you are a bad person, I won’t allow myself to judge you because I don’t know you. But please, stop the attention-wanting type of parade that you’re doing, it’s ridiculous.
If you have something to say, it has to bring value, not to suck off value just as you did till recently. Tired of having all of your posts masked because of your bad reputation? Change your name, and change your registry. Maybe you’ll be one of the post winners if you bring some value once in a while.
Cheers
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SD Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
@Freedom ::
Actually :: @PoopChute is not allowed to change his name. That was another privilege he was abusing in service of his “shitloads of [USELESS]“.
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Freedom Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
@SD, Oh okay. That’s not a bad idea either. The problem is resolved either way ;)
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An Unreal Blogger Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
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@Poop Chute, That is the best info on this entire blog. Finally someone with enough intelligence to see what’s going on here – herding another bunch of Sheeple but for a different gain. Salty is a salesman too you know – most people can’t see that.
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SD Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
@Poop Chute ::
Did that feel good? Let me just respond to you point-by-point …
1. I didn’t read it.
2. Umm … well now I’d feel silly if I added a two.
3. I didn’t read it.
kindest regards
sd
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mojo Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
@Tariq,
“I will be reporting this garbage to Tony Robbins staff, have fun when his lawyers come after you next week.”
Good job, Nancy Drew! Especially since the posted audio clearly has Koenigs himself warning TR’s staff about Salty’s site, ummm, something, like, ummm, a YEAR ago? Thank heavens they have a watchdog like you to keep them informed!
WINNER!! ::   +17
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Reality Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
@Tariq, You don’t get it, do you?
Salty has been begging all these characters for a fight for over a year. And none of them will give him one. Why? Because they know it would be a huge negative publicity disaster with no upside for them, and Salty would have a FIELD DAY getting unfettered access to their internal records. Things might come out that could shatter their future earnings potential forever.
There would be absolutely no possible win for any of these guys. Time, money, reputation…all decimated in the process. On the other hand, it could only help push Salty into the high-attention stratosphere. See how that works?
THAT’S why Salty (a sharp, experienced attorney) has been saying, “Bring it on.” He’s fully equipped and ready to take it to the next level. The question is, who will be stupid enough to give him that opportunity?
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Man Of Integrity Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
@Tariq,
Wow look at me I make lots of money out of selling Frauducts!
You are being taken for a ride while you could have been building a legit business.
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Name Not Important Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
@Tariq,
You said “I make about 60k-70k per year promoting these gurus marketing courses to my Internet marketing lists.”
I’m getting really tired of hearing this as an argument/excuse for doing what you know damn well your mama wouldn’t approve of.
So, according to your logic…anything is acceptable as long as your list doesn’t know enough to complain.
By that logic…
A street hustler who cons people out of their cash with super-duper mind tricks like “The Fake Till”, “Mystery Millionaire”, “Bag & Pin Snatch”, and “The Flop” is perfectly acceptable behavior, as long as he or she:
1. Gets away with it
2. Makes significant money doing so
3. Doesn’t physically harm anyone in the process
4. Only performs con jobs that involve the victim willingly relinquishing their cash.
Now, I know I am speaking to you in terms that are difficult to swallow. After all, if you’re making a really good living being an affiliate for these guys, there’s no way in hell you are about to turn around and come back to the side of decency. You are just too far gone. It’s HARD to do the right thing when you make a damn good living doing the wrong thing.
Just ask any prostitute. They find it really hard to give up that lifestyle and live on a “regular salary” also.
So, I’m not trying to sway you.
I’m trying to talk some sense into others who may want to follow in your footsteps. Hopefully, there is still some common sense to be had.
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G Reply:
February 28th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
@Tariq, Hahahahah…well, this site has gone on for another 2 years since you wrote that its days are numbered…I guess Tony Robbins’ lawyers are still pissing their pants huh? AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
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# 25 September 2010 at 11:41 am

anonone said:
Tony has not only been ripping people off monetarily; he has potentially been endangering their health by promoting quack medicine and supplements.
In his “Living Health” recordings, he teamed up with “Dr.” Robert Young to promote a quackery known as “alkaline nutrition” and to sell very expensive supplements.
“Dr.” Robert Young is a total fraud. He has been charged with numerous felonies, and was convicted of “attempted practice of medicine without a license.” In spite of all this, Tony promoted him and his quackery with blatant and outright lies.
I used to enjoy listening to Tony’s Nightingale-Conant stuff; but I returned that set and never bought another. Clearly, his credibility has continued to fall to new lows with this latest “New Money Masters” garbage. Thanks for exposing it.
Here’s the “Quack Watch” Reference for Dr. Robert Young:
http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/young3.html
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Freedom Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
‘Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain’t going away …’
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Anthony Mahavick Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
@anonone,
I know that Robbins had AIDS denier Peter Duisberg at one of his live events about 15 years ago. Duisberg’s advice to anybody who was HIV positive was to stop taking their medicine and live like anybody else. How many of those people, and how many innocent partners of theirs, have died because of that advice?
WINNER!! ::   +10
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anonone Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
@Anthony Mahavick, I didn’t know that. What an unconscionable human being.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
@anonone, @Anthony Mahavick, Jeez, Tony should team up with noted health expert Kevin True-dough, and they’ll REALLY be a force to be reckoned with. It would truly be a match made in Heaven. Or one of those places that starts with an H.
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# 25 September 2010 at 2:56 pm

tired and emotional said:
This is a fantastic blog, and this blog post in particular is a fantastic bit of investigative work. People who ought to be running scared seem to be doing so.
However I have not seen the REALLY important issue addressed: what’s with SD’s use of double colons :: in a way I have never :: never :: seen them used anywhere before?
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
@tired and emotional, The :: had me confused at first too, but now I accept it as part of Salty’s unique charm.
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# 25 September 2010 at 3:29 pm

SyndicateExposed said:
And like I said…
Salty has NOTHING to lose and all to gain. These guys will not go to court or threaten to sue against libel or slander.
It will easily become a criminal case and a shit load of negative publicity. Their business would fail and a lot more people will be investigated who are connected to this whole criminal business operation.
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SyndicateExposed Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
@SyndicateExposed,
INCLUDING AFFILIATES!!!!!
Those affiliates who are promoting these frauducts – you are just as guilty. Do not think you aren’t. You are a contractor for these bogus companies & in a way you can also be considered a employee since what you do is sales commissions.
I suggest all affiliates of these guys to start earning sales commissions from something legitimate. Stop selling garbage and stop being a sleazy salesperson.
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Dr. _cartman_ Reply:
September 25th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
@SyndicateExposed,
I think they would be better classified as agents.
They would definitely garner better protection from prosecution if they were employees.
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# 25 September 2010 at 8:27 pm

Affisio said:
Uncle Bo, now why do you have to use those invectives?Sociopath for asking a bloody question? I’m just curious, I know if i was doing something wrong and was making 40 mil dollars the last few years I’d be going ligit right?
This conning, conning, conning won’t help end you up dying in your bed.
There are some people who if you con you’ll regreat the rest of your life.
I am not saying Salty os doing something bad, on the contrary I like the guy, just wanna know the logic
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Bo Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 5:57 am
@Affisio, I am not your uncle, dude. Now, please read my post again, as you obviously haven’t understood it the first time. I mentioned sociopath in terms of Robbins et al, not you. The logic is – “the game” – they enjoy dominating and using their customers – they could have run a legitimate business that treats their customers well and markets in an ethical way and MAKE MORE MONEY doing it with their sales talents. But they choose not to, because they LOVE the “hustle”, it gives them a rush and that’s why he keeps doing it – he doesn’t know anything else and he is good at it, plus he gets a rush doing it. It’s pretty simple, son :)
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# 26 September 2010 at 2:41 am

Random Reader said:
Quite the scoop, Salty. FYI: Not to be a spelling nazi or anything, but you might want to re-edit that video to spell “recommends” with one ‘c’ and two ‘m’s.
Great work otherwise. Gonna take me time to go through all the comments.
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SD Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
@Random Reader ::
FUCK!! Why did you have to tell me that? You can’t re-edit videos once they’re up or they lose all their magical powers.
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# 26 September 2010 at 9:02 am

Carlon said:
Well Salty…if I’ve got Tony’s fans sending me hate mail galore for my bad review of one of his books, then they’ll probably come out in droves to try to stop you from pointing out his “business” dealings.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Ronald Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
@Carlon, You must be referring to your post here:
http://dontstepinthepoop.com/review-tony-robbins-awaken-giant-within
Those comments are disturbing.
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Carlon Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
@Ronald, That’s the one…yes, the comments are quite disturbing and hilarious at the same time.
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SD Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
@Carlon ::
… too late.
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# 26 September 2010 at 9:11 am

Affisio said:
Yeah Uncle Bo, but aren’t they supposed to be very good in psychology?
Don’t they know Karma’s a bitch and you get 100 fold what u give?
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Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:30 am
@Affisio, Stop calling me uncle, son!
Well who cares about karma when you are in the rush of a hustle. Why do people over-eat and get fat even when they know that it will damage their health and shorten the life span? Because it feels good the moment they are doing it. Human ape is still much more of an emotianal beast, rather then a thinking one.
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# 26 September 2010 at 1:50 pm

iga said:
It seems that these guys pliant posse are getting a hint of a really really foul stench.
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# 26 September 2010 at 5:59 pm

Irwin said:
I just wanted to take the time comment on the typical response from many of the so-called “marketers” claiming that reading SD is a waste a time – time that could otherwise be spent making craps loads of monies selling stuff online.
http://www.makepeacetotalpackage.com/daniel-levis/perverse-aspect-of-human-nature.html
Well in my opinion money saved is still money none the less. If I spend 45 minutes reading a few posts on SD, I could end up saving $1997 (the typical price of one of the mentioned scammers frauducts). Now I don’t know just how many dear readers here make that much for less than an hour of work, but I’m guessing not that many.
Considering how often these douchebags send out spam, I figure Salty has personally saved me thousands of dollars for each enjoyable minute I’ve “wasted” reading his blog posts. Not a bad return on investment.
He’s also saved me from further exposure to the manipulative, guilt-inducing, self-esteem destroying techniques that these jerks employ on a regular basis to boost their own profits. Again – time well spent.
Gratsi Salty.
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Mr. Bacon Reply:
September 26th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
@Irwin, Excellent point. In that context, reading this blog is actually a high ROI activity!
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# 26 September 2010 at 6:24 pm

Liar Crusher said:
Chilling…and yet, not at all surprising…(evidence has such a deep, satisfying feeling…Prima Facie is my favorite flavor)
“Touching the Hem”…excuse me whilst I puke….if I’m not too busy laughing because it keeps reminding me of Smell The Glove…but Koenigs “band” makes Spinal Tap look like worldwide, bonafide rock gods…/*not that I’m saying they aren’t ;) */
Touching the Hem…Hey, Douchebag, why don’t you go “Touch the Hem” of the Sun, you steaming pile of excrement…
Seriously though, has this gone viral yet, and if not, WHY NOT?!
We need to get this link to this revealing BS about these ballbags O – U – T …this is really damning evidence that even your grandmother and teenager can’t deny…
Robbins is one dangerous fucktard…always has been…went to meet my mom for lunch one day and (this was years ago) she had his first book…I leafed thru it and became almost irate…he ADMITTED in that books bibliography (which was half the size of the book) that he pretty much ripped off EVERYONE’S material, the real way-forgers of the real past, and made it his own…then, magically, those volumes with the fat biblio seemed to disappear altogether and by next book, lo and behold, Tony Robbins was, well, rich enough to afford an island on the Genius that flows (like a river of steaming BULLSHIT) from within him…
Robbins has always been a douche of the highest (“Biggest Fucktard Ever”?) order….I use to keep a copy of his picture on my wall with a Hitler mustache and devil’s horns…that face belongs on a target…but Robbins is one very dangerous fucktard, not because he is actually smart enough to escort himself from a burning building (obviously, still giving the Syndicate blow jobs, he ain’t)…Robbins biggest flaw (and there are too many to pick a fave, to be honest) is that he ACTUALLY BELIEVES he helps people. He takes those who have been under rocks and goes, “Look, Sunlight.” That’s about it.
SD is right, he is nothing but a Salesman on Miracle Over-Gro….the thing is that he likes to put his big, fat head down on the pillow after he pats himself on the back for saving the world…
See, Kern knows he is a douche…and he knows others are starting to figure it out..he knows it is a matter of time and his gig is up and he has to become even skeezier…Robbins thinks he is an actual Messiah…THAT’S the big problem…besides him just being a giant knob…and at least that would have some usefulness…Robbins will go into the pit on the pitchfork still proclaiming he had pure intentions…there is No chance he will admit (or even figure out) he is nothing more than Frank Kern’s sticky reflection…
If your students are MISERABLE, YOU DOUCHEBAG…You definitively SUCK as a whatever-you-are-pretending-to-be…
This info could potentially blow the lid off a good chunk of Robbins’ scamming people in the Second Great Depression out of their money…
These guys (salesmen) are TAUGHT to see the customers as Marks…PERIOD. That is pretty much the Alpha and Omega of everything you ever need to know about sales and selling. The name of the game is Sell-Sell-Sell, no matter what…SELL…what happens is that if they don’t join with that burnt into their feeble brains, in the /*what cute phrase did Robbins use for it……*/ “passion” of selling – an ALTERED STATE YOU YOURSELF MUST BE IN TO SELL THE CUSTOMER – they lose the inability to toggle-off that state, and the “passion of selling” becomes the inability to tell the knife from the wound in fairly short order…it becomes a game you play with yourself…”How many jelly beans are int he jar?” “How can I con innocent people out of their money, even if it is money they don’t even have?” The “person” who went in to become salesman, gets shoved to the back, and the game itself takes over…and then it is all about the game…Sell-Sell-Sell…and the knife and the wound are indiscernable each from the other…the frenzy causes what I would describe as a Psychological Detachment from any formerly present (if ever) value system the person was carrying…
In short, it is like their brains and greed have fused to become a syndrome similar to having your brain eaten by boll weevils…THEN, like zombies, they are cranked out into the populace (this is why people can’t stand salesman and run the other way…it’s their Bullshit Meter going, “Run!!! Here comes a flood!”). By the time this fusion happens, the person is no longer a person, they are a soulless selling machine. Is this universal? No, not at every level, but in ANY level of sales, it is ever present. You will seel someone without caring if they genuinely need or will use the product. Guaranteed. Sales is predation. Period.
The Syndicate – and, this is just my two cents, so bite me if it doesn’t suit – I think we should stop calling them that…it is like giving more power to boogeymen that they deserve. They are Circle jerks…it helps keep the perspective. They are NOT some super-special crime-fighting super-hero organization worthy of a name that doesn’t show them to be Excrement they are. THEY may call themselves that; we should stick with not being dragged down to referring to them that way,. lest we give them some shade of credence which, in my book, would always be far too much…
So, where was I before I ranted off…oh, right…The Circle Jerks and Robbins have ratcheted this whole Salesman of the Month club thing up into a Triathalon of Scam Artists…it is like the high you get from gambling…or driving wayyyyy too fast with someone else’s car…(we did lose an IM’er that way, but I sure wish the hammer had landed on someone else in the Circle…).
Anyone still operating under the misapprehension that Robbins is a good guy is WRONG. He is just a jacked up crack-head (with YOUR MONEY being up his Crack!) with an addiction to having your wads of cash foot the bill for his plush, fathead lifestyle…he just THINKS he is Doing Good…but, if he was, his STUDENTS would be the reflection of that with how many islands THEY have, NOT how many HE has!
“Absolute power corrupts absolutely” was a phrase made by a genius for this group of Circle Jerks…yes, yes, I know the Government has borrowed it for way too long…actually, they are still fighting over letting it go to the Jerks, so they may have to take turns with it, like Andy Jenkins does boning his mayonnaise sandwiches /*Mmmm, extra creamy…*/
(I will never eat again before I check this site…every time I land here, I need to face that I’m am going to want to puke over something these Tea-Bag lovers are doing!)
Bottom Line: If we all spread the love of this new video and this information and drive it into Viral Mode, we could – with consistency and continuity – make a dent in the hold these Scummy Douchebags have on the innocent out there…
I know, let’s use the Very Same Tactics the IM Scumbags teach to drive it viral…how fucking fitting would that be? Now that is the best Trojan Horse for a Circle of Ball-Lickers…one they not only built themselves, but taught us how to get the effects we want to have to take them down…
The best jobs are most often inside jobs…(just ask Andy Jenkins)
Excuse me while I go blow chunks now…
(If you are a true SD’er, get this link – or the link to the vid – out there…post it in a several new places every day…it’s a numbers game, and if you know anything about the garbage they teach you, let’s compound this leverage and collectively smack the living shit out of the con this band of merry robbers is perpetrating upon the innocent. I’ll do my part. BTW, if these wankers make you nervous, use a proxy yourself. You can find one at http://www.hidemyass.com …now go out there and Do some Scumbag Busting! Every little bit helps and creates Compound Leverage…which we need here to get rid of the real vampires…the ones sucking the blood out of your wallet, your hopes, your dreams and your life, and the “innocent children” in the form of people who stumble into their lair unaware of the unspeakable acts going on within it.) [Hint: Makes Salem’s Lot look like a vaca spot!!)
I have a better idea…instead of “Touching the Hem,” how about us SD’ers “Make This Vid Viral”…they can touch the hem of THAT…it’s called “The Truth” and they have no idea what it even looks like, so it’ll be quite a shock…
Liar Crusher
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# 27 September 2010 at 12:10 am

Affisio said:
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U Bo you don’t understand…I can’t speak for you but I have no training in psychology…But these guys have…So these are 101 for them…I don’t get why you’d play it so ndagerous when you don’t have to…Fuck the wild sensation and all, you have 100millions in your pockets…Money you won’t be able to spend during your lifetime…Maybe they think they are helping someone.
LOSER!! ::   -4
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# 27 September 2010 at 9:01 am

Mack the Knife said:
Well, I suppose I’d rather be a poisonous specter than a poisonous sphincter! Touching the hem of the syndicate’s grimy T-shirts may be bad for my skin allergies.
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# 28 September 2010 at 9:06 am

Unicorn Army said:
Holy crap, Salty. I get back from the Unicorn Mothership, where we agreed that your puny planet will be spared – for now… and you’ve lit Anthony Mahavick’s Tony Robbins’ balls on fire. We were wondering what all the smoke was from.
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# 28 September 2010 at 9:37 pm

Liar Crusher said:
Spending a few each day spreading the Syndic*nt Exposed video…and finding it to be fairly amusing how many people are NOT talking at all about Tony Robbins.
I hope people are starting to wake up and move along…that or the demographic is planted firmly in front of the TV watching some game show /* rolls eyes */
“Hey, People…I’m trying to get you all together so you can watch this and KNOW why you don’t give a shit about Tony Robbins anymore…oh, too late I see.” ;)
We can’t save them all…and a lot would elect to go down with the ship anyway…but what are we really losing, if that is the case?!
Will persevere…
Liar Crusher
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# 30 September 2010 at 11:14 pm

Maltegrity Geyser said:
More on Koenigs:
http://trafficgeyser.com/blog/?p=116
scroll to 22:45 in the video and watch what kind of reading Mike does in his spare time (it will show just below the google search box in the video).
Love how the guru’s make themselves ridiculous without needing outside help (Deiss stating he’s no expert on SEO then promoting his own SEO expertise, Kern being a bit too ‘frank’ regarding b-listers and how to manipulate/exploit them for greater influence).
If Mike is reading the comments I bet he’ll take his own video down.
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# 3 October 2010 at 2:52 pm

RockStar said:
Great site and love the honest opinions and insights.
I have spent time with Tony on a few occasions and got to say that he is a great guy with his heart in the right place. But his company is all about making money and thats just business. I have had a few problems with a few D-bags in his company, but also met some really awesome people that work there too.
Also he doesnt own an island. He owns a resort Namale on the island Savusavu. He doesnt own that island and their are other resorts and villages on that same island.
Keep up the great work.
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Vern Reply:
March 31st, 2011 at 2:14 am
@RockStar, But he states flat out on his Power Talk tapes that he “bought an island in Fiji”. Is he lying?
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# 18 October 2010 at 2:02 am

Robbins Robbin me said:
SD
Thanks for this report, I thought Tony was untainted, this has really disappointed me. Touching the HEM!!!! WTF Mike and Frank just want to be Tony so bad it’s untrue, well its all untrue. I say we just nail these fuckers to the cross and have done with it.
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Steve Vaughan Reply:
May 10th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
@Robbins Robbin me,
Yeah, and once they’re on the cross, let’s all go and try to touch their hem……hee haw!
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# 19 October 2010 at 12:30 pm

Mark said:
Tony Robbins is a VERY dangerous man. Nothing new to me. He is just a FAT FUCK.
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yeah Reply:
October 20th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
@Mark,
Tony Robbins does have a weird looking body.
It’s either like he’s had plastic surgery to remove fat, or something.
He just doesn’t look proportioned naturally. Nothing to do with the guys height.
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blog commenter Reply:
October 20th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
@yeah, asides from his body being weird, he uses weird cult tactics to upsell and brainwash good people who want to improve their lives.
As a teenager I listened to Tony Robbins a lot. It was an escape from a really shitty life at home. I will admit that all the talk of hopes and promises made me feel a temporary high, not unlike the high some people get from booze and drugs. The coming down was pretty bad though, because I felt more worthless and incompetent when I tried to follow his advice and failed each time. I had no idea at the time that the dreams he pumps you full of are smoke and mirrors. In the end, I believe that it added more pain than it helped. I just blamed myself for it all.
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# 20 October 2010 at 4:27 am

CommonPPL said:
OK..
I admit. Tony Robbins surrounded with these d-bags is not nice.
Tony Robbins is money-hungry. And in an ugly way – I agree.
And Frank Kern and the rest of his buddies truly make me puke.
But hey. Lets not just hate.. Agree?
Robbins does have a positive message and he does have good quality content at most. He is uplifting and he does help to achieve positive changes.
The fact that he is greedy and not the nicest person in the world – True. I am not his buddy and never will be. But lets not blindly hate for no reason.. It’s ok to hate him for being successful, we all do that + hate him for his lust for money… ==> For these I say “Fuck you Robbins”.
Frank Kern and the rest of the MFuckers never made a single legit dime online while they claim to have and Scammed millions of people into their shit.
Robbins loves the money, but he delivers. That’s the difference.
Let us hate. But explain why.. It has nothing to do with the quality of his products.
Love.
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Well OK Reply:
October 24th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
@CommonPPL, Let’s think about that. Maybe people should not go hating Hitler just because he had a problem with some jews, because he also built some mighty fine products. Ovens.
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# 23 October 2010 at 8:57 am

Max said:
I always liked Tony and thought he came off as a genuine decent guy who wanted to help people through his materials, I am very disappointed to see that he has associated himself with manipulation and brainwashing cult leaders like Frank Kern. I hope Tony is not like guys like Frank but maybe over the years he has changed from how he started out.
I am hoping in my naivety that Tony is somehow ignorant of who Frank and the syndicate really is and will find out and make a public apology and cut off all ties. But now that I think of it, years ago he got involved in pushing that popular New Age guy, so I think maybe I have been wrong about him all along and just wanted to turn a blind eye to it.
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Vern Reply:
March 31st, 2011 at 2:22 am
@Max, I guess that’s the down side to NLP … you see what you want to see. Tony being the master NLP practitioner that he is, would be highly vulnerable to that.
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# 24 October 2010 at 6:25 pm

WTF?! said:
Well, I have known about Internet marketing for longer than there really was an Internet, as we know it now. I even ‘marketed’ successfully on search engines way back when, without even realizing that I was accomplishing something that, today, is considered complete gold, SEO. This was with a real product and a real company. Unfortunately, I could not maintain my business due to lack of financial resources. (I could not buy the parts I needed, to make the product I was selling, and I was turning away many, many orders a day.) Anyway, I’ll cut that story off now.
And, speaking of now… I find myself in a really terrible financial crisis. So, I start thinking, I have to do something to become independent. The Internet comes to my mind. However, after much researching, trying to find a way to profit from, or through, or with the Internet, I find myself dumbfounded!
WTF?! What do I believe? What do I do? Man, now I am almost completely lost! Tony Robbins is in a conspiracy with ‘The Syndicate’ to part people with their money, and make only a few rich?
Someone, please, give me a concise, verifiable outline of what is happening in IM. (Over the last ten years would be good.) I really would appreciate it.
All I can add, at this point, is that I am honest, and have a high moral character. I am not looking to scam anyone, and I want nothing to do with anyone doing said.
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Slowly Waking Reply:
December 6th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
@WTF?!, you wrote: “Someone, please, give me a concise, verifiable outline of what is happening in IM. (Over the last ten years would be good.) I really would appreciate it.”
My take: IM has become a huge scam. Run away.
Anyone else?
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Clark Reply:
December 6th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
@WTF?!,
You probably know more about IM than most business owners, just team up with one you like or approach an expert in a niche that you find worthy of your time (hint: acai berry isn’t one). It’s easier than it sounds and you might be of actual “value” for the market, not the kind of value that makes your customer cry in the shower while clinching their knees.
I’ve written a longer comment on success in IM in “Who do I like”, just search for “Hopkins” and you’ll find it…if you want to read more of my ramblings.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
December 7th, 2010 at 10:04 am
@WTF?!, the question “how do I make money on the Internet?” is missing something important. Any real business can use the Internet to grow and profit. The question is, what kind of business could you start? The Internet is just a medium – a marketing channel.
What’s been going on in IM for the past 10 years and longer, starting when the “I” in IM was made available to the general public, is that lots of people have been trying to make money without starting a real business, and plenty of other people have been happy to take their money for the latest Magic-Easy-Money-Miracle solution.
Who do you trust? I dunno, but it’s no one who tells you they have a magic easy money miracle secret.
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# 6 December 2010 at 5:15 am
» Mike Koenigs Presents Mike Koenigs to Tony Robbins said:
[...] is cultivating some women :: he just can’t think of any by name right now … or ever … unless it’s for [...]
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# 5 January 2011 at 6:41 am

m said:
I saw Frank Kern on a tv show on Hulu.
I was watching a tv show on HULU and saw Fank Kern. Show titled “smile you’re under arrest” episode 2 (Operation Moviestar)
At exactly 8:29 you see him at the back door exit giving everyone a pound as they leave the studio.
This totally is him. Let me know if you agree or not.
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# 17 January 2011 at 1:20 pm
» John Raygoza Scams Yo Momma said:
[...] Roosevelt … like these d-bags love to do. Wait :: did I say Teddy Roosevelt? Cause I meant Tony Robbins! Teddy Roosevelt is totally not ga ga goo roo … he probably hated capitalism and America [...]
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# 24 January 2011 at 6:23 pm
» The Syndicate Meets The Secret said:
[...] Michele Blood needs to do is form a French cartel consisting of the top self-help creeps like Tony Robbins :: T. Harv Eker :: and James Arthur Ray [...]
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# 5 March 2011 at 4:57 pm

saavy said:
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Ya’lls are just jealous you didnt think of it yourself and spend all your time bitching and complaining about how bad people are, well you ever hear the saying one finger pointing leaves another three pointing right back at you….
let me guess, is everyone posting here poor and jobless AND lacks imagination…yup, thought so…
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Clark Reply:
March 21st, 2011 at 10:05 am
@saavy,
At least you – as a member of “everyone posting here” – seem to recognize that your imagination (and use of the English language, as I might add) is indeed somewhat lacking, as there are several reasons to be critical of people in the “success” industry with such a record of involvement in health/new-age scams.
Regarding your unemployment and lack of wealth, might I suggest you spend less time on the bullshitters and more pursuing your own education?
I’m sure you’ll find a real job, hell, you might even learn how to spell “savvy”!
Good luck with that,
Clark
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# 20 March 2011 at 12:53 pm

The Droid is a Deutsche said:
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Droid,
You are a washed up and banned fricking lawyer. Yea, your kind of witty but you dissing on successful marketers? Come on.It’s fricking old already. Get a life.
LOSER!! ::   -11
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SD Reply:
March 23rd, 2011 at 7:05 pm
@Josh Boxer ::
Hey pants. I was just wondering if I could borrow like $100,000 :: cause I’m sure you’ve made millions by now on Carbon Copy Pro and WMI.
Right JB? Millions?
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# 23 March 2011 at 6:28 pm

Khaled said:
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Wait, so even though his products have impacted people’s lives and made them so much better in many different ways, you’re all posting so many hate comments and agreements to this post concluding that Tony and the likes of Tony are scammers?
You’re either in denial of the results, or you’re just angry :)
Get real. Even if his “salespitch” is done that way, do look at the end result and intentions.
Stop living in reaction people!
LOSER!! ::   -4
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Clark Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 9:39 am
@Khaled,
Even if Tony was the greatest “peak performance coach” ever, that wouldn’t excuse him from using deceptive tactics and outright lies in his marketing.
If I complain about a turd in a punch bowl, I’m not in denial of the punch. I just don’t want to drink it.
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Steve Vaughan Reply:
May 10th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
@Clark,
Don’t drink the brown punch… or eat the yellow snow!
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Jean D Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 11:33 am
@Khaled, What exactly does that last phrase mean,”Stop living in reaction?” If you are a SESL,Speaker of English as a Second Language, then I understand your mis-use of the word reaction. However, if this is a phrase you learned from people like Robbins and Syndicate,then you are perpetuating the dangerous,even deadly, mind control and scamming techniques which are examined in this blog.
Language has parameters that are agreed upon by its speakers. It is a social phenomenon in which even its dialects, or slang, routinely adhere to rules and social constructs. Linguistic capacity is hard-wired into the human brain. From birth we begin to learn about assinging value to morphological and phonological items. This is how humans have survived socially; via communication.
When individuals or groups begin to assign new meanings to words and phrases, new forms of understanding or misunderstanding emerge. Sometimes the reassignment of language is valuable, as it was for African American slaves whose contrived words allowed them to arrange secret meetings for the purpose of worship,marriages,entertainment,and to plan escapes.
On the other hand, dangerous forms of linguistic reassignment exist in cult and LGAT groups, wherein leaders meticulously utilize techniques for the sole purpose of programming followers to suspend what they know to be “true” about a word or phrase, thereby incorporating it into their lives. Individuals who attend seminars or trainings, often feel embarassed to ask for clarification aloud, however, there are always the loyal followers available to whisper “explanations of the invented language” which makes it strangely credible to those who want to fit in.
Unfortunately,it is at this point;when one surrenders a millions-of-years-old human quality known as language, that an individual opens oneself to further programming and “brainwashing”.
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# 25 April 2011 at 9:31 am
Previsioni 2011 e 2012: la festa e’ finita ! | Web Marketing said:
[...] Insomma, il percorso per iniziare a “disconnettersi” e’ impegnativo ma le strade per arrivarci sono molte. Questo e’ un bel momento per iniziare a farlo. E questo e’ un bel libro che ho letto recentemente e che consiglio a chi volesse approfondire queste tematiche, senza cadere nelle solite buffonate new-age, auto-motivazionali o commerciali alla “Anthony Robbins“. [...]
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# 16 June 2011 at 4:35 am

Traffic geyser scammed me said:
Mike’s company scammed me! I can give you the entire story. Not only do they not answer there emails they continue to charge me. They are deliberatly being assholes. I will send you all the details
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# 17 July 2011 at 10:23 am

Alex said:
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@Hal,I do like the salty droids delivery on internet marketing con men. But I do not like the fact that he hides behind an Avatar.
LOSER!! ::   -7
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Jack Reply:
November 11th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
@Alex, Is it true suddenly now?? Was there a name change for Jason Jones since 2009 when everybody aleady knew he was SD?
http://saltydroid.info/wtf/operator-specs/
http://saltydroid.info/jason-and-the-droid-part-1/
http://saltydroid.info/jason-and-the-droid-part-2/
Was mr. Wall’s interview with Jason Jones of our imaginings?
http://www.seobook.com/salty-droid-interview
It sometimes is hard for me to read about somethings but I found the info on the top menu bar of a site now called the Salty Droid.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Luther Reply:
November 12th, 2011 at 1:35 am
@Jack, Hi Jack, I’m thinking maybe it would be better to call that “MENU” bar up there at the top something else because some people might think if they click on something called “MENU” they might end up with some pork and beans, maybe. I’ve been thinking about that for about an hour.
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Jack Reply:
November 12th, 2011 at 3:00 am
@Luther, I wanted to tell about it being the place of the golden easy-money-online directions hidden direct-right in plain sight, but I didn’t know about if it was OK to say it yet.
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# 11 November 2011 at 8:00 pm

Dogg said:
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Info contained in video above is quite shocking; I am very surprised because I have been following these guys for quite some time. The pdf above doesnt mean anything because it doesnt have any type of letter head so anyone could of made it so I can not even take that into consideration. Im not saying you are wrong with the advice on this site.
However, I find it amusing that I dont see here is the fact that you are a attorney yourself. Yet you fail to put any of your money hungry colleagues on here. You know the (“lawyers sharks who swim among us”) who make all the laws, take our liberties away from us in the process! Lable us with the laws that they make, force us to higher a attorney because they made the laws so complex that we can not possibly defend ourselves and fill their own pockets with mass amounts of money. Who are the crooks here? Just because you do it legally doent make it moral.
Half the scum bag lawyers lie in court anyway, I have had it happen in my own divorce case and lost my children because of these scumbags trying to get the upper hand in the process. If lawyers cant lable you one way they try to lable you with a mental health professinal. They must win anyway the can without the regaurd of having the best interest for the children. You call that moral??? I dont think so.
If you are going to write and blog about one then write about the other. I highly dought you will post anything negative about any attorney. Of course you cat do that. But you sit here a talk shit about someone else?? Thats an attorney for you hiding behind the law, like always. So lets see if you have THE BALLS to post this one with a proper repy.
LOSER!! ::   -9
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SD Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
@Dogg ::
Dearest Dogg,
Here is my repy …
1) I’m not a lawyer … I was a lawyer.
2) I accept your challenge …
http://saltydroid.info/the-malinchak-reaction/
http://saltydroid.info/munger-tolles-olsen-unattracting-ethics/
http://saltydroid.info/chris-cardell-direct-fail-marketing/
http://saltydroid.info/dmca-claims-part-2/
http://saltydroid.info/silencing-of-the-lambs/
http://saltydroid.info/category/mark-shurtleff/
Go suck yourself,
SD
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Dogg Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:00 am
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@SD,
I didn’t mean anything to be directed in a negative way toward you SD. I was just making a statement in general about the comments you provide herein and without the comments of having any about attorneys. However, it does sound to me that you have an agenda out to get all the people you dis on here.
The mindsets of the rich go by a different set of rules they create or can print there own money via: intellectual property. In my opinion this is what they are doing as I do myself. However, their tactics in how they go about selling then can and should be a little more ethical. That being said.
Good luck to you SD
PS
If you are a person that has a blog or website like this, you must accept feedback to come back in a way that you may not like and to tell someone to go suck themselves for I think a acceptable comment is childish.
I didn’t know you were no longer an attorney. Why?
LOSER!! ::   -6
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jack Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
@Dogg, Can you tell us about the funny idea of becoming “a little more ethical”?
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I wantz 2B rich Reply:
February 27th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
@jack,
Maybe that’s like being a little less pregnant?
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SD Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@Dogg ::
Yeah I’ll try to toughen up … and I’ll try to stop being such a fucking child.
Good advice :: thanks dog … good luck with your suckcessfulness.
Best Wishes,
SD
PS :: Go suck yourself!
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jacqui Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
@Dogg,
Also…if you’re a person who reads a blog like this, you must accept that you’ll have to read. And the more you read…the more questions will be answered.
Plus…it’s hilarious, right??
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Jack Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
@jacqui, Maybe it’s he doesn’t know what to do with the blog like he might know what to do with books:

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SD Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
@Jack ::
Ha! Adorable!
Don’t eat it!

Lanna Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
@Dogg,
This has been a fun vocabulary lesson for me! I learned three new words!
lable
dought
Repy
Before you go suck yourself, can you please provide usage guidelines for me for the following:
higher (as a verb – I understand its use as an adjective and adverb.)
doent
professinal
regaurd
cat (as an auxiliary verb – I understand its use as a noun and standard verb.)
Thanks!
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Dogg Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:03 am
@Lanna,
Typo’s Lanna sorry i did not proof read
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SD Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
@Dogg ::
Your typos {plural} are possessive of Lanna … it’s like grammatical date rape.
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Lanna Reply:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@SD,
Maybe all this time I thought I was pwning the typos, but now the typos have pwned me.
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Sundog Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
@Dogg, I’m sorry you lost your kids and spent a bunch of money on lawyers, Dogg, but Salty has always called out the scumbag lawyers who protect scam artists.
It sound to me, though, like you’re very upset to find out that Tony Robbins, Frank Kern, and their friends aren’t who you thought they were and aren’t ever going to help you find a better life. We all go through that, at the beginning. It gets better with time and you learn new ways to motivate and improve yourself.
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zipnar Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:51 am
@Sundog,
It gets better with time and you learn new ways to motivate and improve yourself.
“I am the captain of my fate,
I am the master of my soul. ”
- William Earnest Henley, 1875
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Hippo Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:53 am
@zipnar,
Oddly, I heard that very quote used at the Lifespring seminar I attended in 1982.
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zipnar Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
@Hippo,
Not surprising. Just like New Agers participate in full-blown cultural appropriation and spiritual materialism of various authentic traditions, any piece of wisdom can be twisted and spun to meet any self-serving desire.
It seems to be a founding principle of the “take responsibility for yourself” type of manipulative marketing being perpetuated by the targets of this blog.
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Yakaru Reply:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:59 am
@zipnar,
It’s all part of the eternal search for the inner il Duce.
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# 15 February 2012 at 8:23 pm

Garry Crystal said:
The Robbins/Berkman deal that went wrong can be read on the link below, interesting stuff.
http://garrycrystal.blogspot.com/p/tony-berkman-and-tony-robbins-deal-that.html
Great article, will be sifting through your posts today, love this sort of stuff.
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Jack Reply:
February 26th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
@Garry Crystal, & your other article showing mr. Berkman’s apparent distaste for The #1 Amendment:
http://garrycrystal.blogspot.com/2011/11/blogcatalog-owners-silencing-writers.html
Does he make the C&Ds with his mail merge program?
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Garry Crystal Reply:
February 26th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
@Jack, Yep, he just fills in the names, they are his comfort blanket of hope.
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Bob Reply:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
@Garry Crystal, That first article had me thinking, “that was bogus” (although the grinning “hey look at me with Tony” pic greatly reduced the sympathy). Then after reading the second article, I was thinking, “they deserve each other.”
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Garry Crystal Reply:
March 20th, 2012 at 6:51 am
@Bob, For some reason I doubt that will be a framed one taking pride of place over his mantlepiece. Maybe on a dartboard.
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Garry Crystal Reply:
April 10th, 2012 at 6:57 am
And there is a further twist in the Robbins/Berkman tale, got to love those duelling lawsuits.
http://garrycrystal.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/tony-robbins-versus-tony-berkman-deal.html
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# 26 February 2012 at 9:05 am

I wantz 2B rich said:
I am so thankful, once again, to his royal Droidness and to whoever his extraordinarily awesome sources are. I wish NBC would air this instead of promoting Tony Rob-’ems.
I’m embarrassed to admit that I actually purchased a Rob-em course, with the caveat that I could return it if not satisfied. As I understood the Guthy-Renker infomercial, the cost was around $350-$395 – don’t recall the exact price.
I want to qualify this purchase – I was looking for something to help pull myself out of a chronically (medication resistant) depressed state. We aren’t all chasing unicorns. And for those who do chase unicorns, it still doesn’t give anyone the right to mislead you and to rob you of your financial resources and your self-esteem.
I received the package, only to find that the $350 or so payment was only the FIRST payment for the Rob-’ems frauduct. I think technically the infomercial got by because of a statement to the effect of (to paraphrase)”…you can try it for 30 days for only $350 (or whatever)…”.
Pretty sleazy and sneaky, huh? You can try it, but if you want to buy it, it costs a whole lot more. I don’t recall the cost, but it was over $1000, maybe way over. So I learned.
And I listened, anyway. Surprise. There was nothing motivating or inspiring about this guy. And I returned the frauduct.
I wish NBC and Oprah and whoever else has put a spotlight on Rob-’ems would eat a little crow and shine a spotlight on this stuff.
Mr. Droid, the icing on the cake is to hear Koenigs in all his slimy glory. Not only is he happy to fuck us over, he’s happy to do his slimy friends, too. Koenigs should be the canary in the coal mine. Right before it explodes.
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I wantz 2B rich Reply:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
@I wantz 2B rich,
BTW – while it isn’t the FTC, I was so pissed after I read this entry and thread that I emailed Oprah’s producers and told them they should do their job and check out the people they promote. I doubt a one of them has the brass to tell the big O that she’s rubbing elbows with slime, but they can’t say they haven’t been given the opportunity to read Salty’s article, to watch the video, to exercise a lil’ due diligence with Kern and Koenigs, and to look at the big picture – that Rob-’em’s is a slime doggy and that he hangs out with slime doggies.
Hope all creatures of the genuine canine persuasion will indulge me and not take it personally – our four legged friends are honest, loyal, and love people, unlike the aforementioned reptilians.
Anyone else want to start emailing the producers of shows that promote these people? I think I’ll email NBC, too.
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macdealybob Reply:
March 21st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
@I wantz 2B rich, Problem is…Oprah is selling the same New Age Snake Oil…to garner a larger audience and marketshare… and she promotes all the Snake Oil Sellers… Like “The Secret” bunch…
Why don’t the sheeple get it? Why are they so willing to go to slaughter?
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I wantz 2B rich Reply:
March 21st, 2012 at 4:03 pm
@macdealybob,
Honestly, I believe that she can be very convincing. If people want to believe – and hell, look at all those people from The Secret selling their special brand of Kool-aid. Some were also very convincing. And some of us are more susceptible to being drawn into that line of thinking.
I wish more people knew. Seeing the associations has me convinced that she’s covered in slime, too. It isn’t just that one “Oh shit” wipes out all those attaboys. She’s hanging out with too many bad actors.
The best thing we can do is spread the word…
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Shorty Reply:
March 21st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
@I wantz 2B rich,
On the plus side, Oprah is hurting for viewers for that OWN Network of hers. Discovery Channel invested millions but there have been few takers for craptastic offerings like “Super Soul Sunday” (pseudo spirituality with the likes of Wayne Dyer), “Oprah’s Lifeclass” (Life coaching by Oprah) and “Oprah’s Master Class” (celebs take their turn at dishing out their personal brand of chicken soup), I doubt Tony Robbins is going to do much to hike up ratings over there. Oprah cozing up to the gurus is a desperate bid for content to fill 24 hours of TV time. It’s a lot harder than filling up one hour of afternoon time 5 days a week!
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Lanna Reply:
February 29th, 2012 at 1:17 am
@I wantz 2B rich,
And for those who do chase unicorns, it still doesn’t give anyone the right to mislead you and to rob you of your financial resources and your self-esteem.
I just want to scream that at the trolls around here. We all have the right to spend our money however we want – even on optimistic tripe. That doesn’t give anyone consent to commit financial fraud against us, to use cult brainwashing tactics on us, or – as is usually the case – to brainwash us into conflating our self-worth with our self-help spending.
I can’t promote this enough:
http://seeksafely.org/empowerment-guide/
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# 27 February 2012 at 9:32 pm
» Abundance of Oprah said:
[...] for free :: but you should pay enough to upset the normal functioning of your life” :: says Tony Robbins to his email list {basically} [...]
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# 7 March 2012 at 2:21 am
» Proctor vs Morton :: Six Minute Lawsuits said:
[...] the far more popular :: and Oprah christened :: James Arthur Ray. When Tony Robbins launched his joint venture with The Syndicate :: Lanny’s new EvilProctor based list finished on top of the leader-board [...]
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# 12 April 2012 at 6:12 pm

scott said:
I paid into this…and gullible me thought it was all real…and Tony Robbins is a master at NLP, and specifically a technique called anchoring—that is why he sells so well
anyway, thanks for the blog!
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I wantz 2B rich Reply:
April 14th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
@scott, I’d venture to say that the majority of people who read and/or comment on The Droid have been gullibilized (a derivative of cannibalism – if one is open to these ideas – even briefly – IM predators hone in for the kill against their fellow human beings). If visitors here haven’t been taken advantage of, they know someone who has, or they’ve nearly succumbed to a pitch themselves, or at the very least, have read a sad story about someone who has.
The more I hang around here, the more I realize I was gullibilized even pre-internet days, thanks to infomercials, sucker lists, and boiler rooms. Look at the bright side: it isn’t the NLP. You were targeted. It’s a rehearsed, practiced con. You’ve discovered The Droid. You’re in good company here. If you are afraid you’re going to relapse and buy into something again, just mention it here, and any number of people will gladly smack you back into reality.
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# 13 April 2012 at 4:22 pm

Alison said:
For anyone interested, Tony Robbins will be on CNN tonight at 10pm EST (GMT -5) for a one-on-one interview to answer “hard-hitting” “real” questions. I no longer have cable TV, so I’ll have to pass.
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SD Reply:
April 18th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
@Alison ::
Anything to support Oprah’s failing venture in stupidity.
Wait :: you don’t have cable? That must be a mistake because …
Dave is so rich!
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# 18 April 2012 at 2:37 pm

DAVIES said:
Boy,I love this dude Salty Droid and Thanks for bringing all these s***b**s to day light!!
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# 28 April 2012 at 7:16 pm

Ben said:
Unbelievable
Wake up America you are being scammed
And all of the rest of the world is falling for these scams as well
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# 16 May 2012 at 5:14 am

Jeez said:
Thanks for posting this. I was scammed and appreciate that this may prevent others from being taken too.
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# 3 July 2012 at 4:39 am

Sweet Droid said:
Hey, D-scammer can’t you hear your paget ringing in the video around 3:20
Nice job Salty…Never tought Robbins would to that…
Holy shit man ! an Attorney…
Kick some ass while saving your ass…how good to be attorney.
5 * Keep it up.
I found the money master when I was beggin ing…I could have lost myself
the more I learned about IM and programmation and market strategy, the more
they didn’t seem plausible.
Just wow !!! The way you kick Deiss ‘s ass with perpetual traffic for mula
You are my new internet Vendetta hero, hehehe !!!
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# 4 July 2012 at 1:42 pm

George W said:
Tony robbins is like alot of these Get Rich Quick Gurus, he has a great gift of gab. Like William McCorkle, Donald Lapre and Carlton Sheets, Robbins can charm the pants off a snake. The best laugh I had was when he gave a motivational speech to a bunch of NBA Professional Athletes. They listened to a guy 6’5″ who had no physical ability, never played professional sports and whose only claim to fame was selling motivational tapes. Only the young,or persons with little self-esteem could be motivated by this buffoon. As a former Marine I laughed at his antics and knew he was a good talker who had done nothing real in life but take people’s money. He never got any of mine….Hahahahahahahahaha
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Reb MacRath Reply:
May 7th, 2013 at 9:42 am
@George W,
You can laugh even harder when reading how he earned a black belt in something like one year…through sheer will power and positive thinking. And, no doubt, a couple of mil.
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# 13 October 2012 at 6:01 pm

Tara said:
I always spent my half an hour to read this website’s posts daily along with a cup of coffee.
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Jack Reply:
May 1st, 2013 at 4:08 pm
@Tara, Does it mean about that you’re dead now?
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