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Stealth Stinger said:
Hey Jason! Hope you and yours are all well and ticketyboo :-)
Not been around much but popping in from time to time and can I say I just wee’d my pants over this post! The dry cleaning bill is on it’s way to you! :-)
That was FANTASTIC my friend and relates back many moons ago when I was talking about our Frank being “god” (no capital letter as he is not God).
Simply superb post and I am buying through your link… cha-ching! ;-)
Superb… with a capital fuckin’ S
JJ
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# 18 March 2010 at 2:31 am

Too weird for me I'm afraid. said:
Hey Salty,
I while back I posted that I thought this blog was going onto the surreal side of things. It seems to have pulled back and I’m pleased about that.
However, as I mentioned then, for months you suggested that you had something of significance to reveal about Kern et al. Looking back through your posts, this should have appeared about February.
There have also been general comments, again suggestions / insinuations that there was something much bigger going on here.
It never really materialised during February. I can only assume one of two things:
Your leads / investigation revealed things very different from what you thought
There never was much coming, and you are as guilty of hype as said marketers
Or the unmentioned third option. You got bought off.
Anyway, glad to see the blog has got back on track, pity about the buildup that never resolved – but think the current trend of going after bigger fish such as James Ray, Scientology is probably much more valuable to people and will reach a bigger audience and have more effect!
Muchly debated. What do you think?   0
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SD Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
@Too weird for me I’m afraid.,
Things are complicated {you skipped that option} :: so you can blow your “this should have appeared about February” out your ass. Things appear when I’m ready for them to … and not before. That’s the sweet thing about being me.
If I was bought off :: you’d know it because I’d be gone. Someone offers me $500 million to walk off dramatically into the sunset … maybe I’d do it … but I’d have the decency to do it with my head hung low … and I’d NEVER come back. There isn’t enough money on earth to make me live as a hypocrite.
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Renee Reply:
March 12th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
@SD,
just found your site. Two questions/statements:
1) If your true intention was to help people, and to make a difference (in other words, you and you starting this site was done out of pure goodwill), then wouldn’t you NOT be such an angry, hating blurter? Especially in response to Too weird for me I’m Afraid.
Slandering is NOT a good way to warn others that they shouldn’t trust the gurus.
But you already know that, it just feels TOO good to have all this power and impact. Doesn’t it?
2) Your site is transparent. This is a good thing. But, you are just as power hungry as the internet marketers.
You remind me just how awful and spiteful people can be in this world.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   -1
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what?? Reply:
March 12th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
@Renee,
“SD, I just found your site and now I know everything about you, your beliefs, and your motives. I will now angrily and hatefully blurt out stupid things about why you are an angry, hating blurter.”
Thank you for your not insightful insights, Renee.
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what?? Reply:
March 12th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
@what??,
P.S. I notice that you don’t mind having links from this awful and spiteful site to your own lame “relationship advice” site. Can you spell hypocrite?
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SD Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
@Renee ::
It is pretty great having power :: you’re right. I recommend it to everyone!
The Feminine Woman huh?
So :: feminine woman :: on a post which contains this …
X. Get a chick to do most of this shit for you that has a * by it
Y. Show them lots of pictures of cocks
Z. Repeat y
… you are worried about my hate and awful?
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dean dyer Reply:
November 11th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@Renee, hey renee,
well trust me this guy knows what he’s talking about… you just can’t handle how he says it…. that’s why you seem to contradict yourself all the way through your sniveling.
I bet you do that shit in the mirror too.
At least he has balls…
I will continue to refer to his site for all my research.
thanks.
dean
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# 18 March 2010 at 2:39 am

Earl said:
You have to wonder…after reading that email from Perry Belcher…what do his former “followers” think of him NOW? Clearly, he didn’t think much of them, judging from the attitude and language he displayed. That was incredibly insensitive and sickening. Talk about insincere bullshit…he’d be a great actor. But he’d be an even better inmate. We can all hope.
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hrm Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
@Earl,
Hate to say the truth, but all great leaders – and influential people in general – are nothing more than great actors.
There’s a fine line between being an tyrant and being a hero, if you look at it that way. Both have the same capabilities.
Or we could dig deeper into this semantic bullshit and talk about how heroes and tyrants are subjective based on perspective and who’s history you’re looking at.
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# 18 March 2010 at 3:53 am

Ben said:
Frank Kern wants $2,000.00 for a digital DOWNLOAD? That’s just MOUSE CLICKS, folks! Puh-lease. Can you IMAGINE the insane profit margin from that?
The sheeple that bought into that had better keep an eye on the refund request deadline. Better yet, they should play it safe and cancel ASAP.
Kern teaches people how to use “hype and charm” in order to sell “hype and charm.” That’s a lot like a dog chasing it’s own tail. (Except dogs don’t have credit cards and can’t go into debt…lucky them!)
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correction Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 5:05 am
@Ben,
“The sheeple that bought into that had better keep an eye on the refund request deadline. Better yet, they should play it safe and cancel ASAP.”
You’re assuming there is is a refund request date. Jeff Walker explicitly stated in his affiliate e-mail for Kerns product that there were no refunds if you bought through his link.
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Mock Me Baby Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:25 am
@correction,
Doesn’t matter what Jeff Walker says. If you pay by credit card you can cancel – especially when you purchase an online product or phone product.
Nice try by Walker.
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Joel Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
@Mock Me Baby is entirely correct. If someone actually buys that, and don’t receive the value THEY expect, they can file a claim with their credit card company saying it was “not as described.” Most credit card companies aren’t going to analyze the goods and make a determination based on that. Instead, they usually give the customer their money back. Simple as that.
So if you or someone you know bought that stuff and want all that money back (it’s $2,000 cash for Pete’s sakes!) then you know what you can do.
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stoic Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
@Joel,
So if we all bought using our credit cards and then all returned the digital download! for a refund, the chargebacks would look bad enough to get his merchant account suspended, perhaps?
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Joel Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
@stoic, if he got a high chargeback rate, there could definitely be a risk of merchant account closure. Once that happens…game over!
Of course, a chargeback is different from a straight refund, which is voluntarily given by the merchant.
HOWEVER…surprisingly, more and more merchant processors also look at straight refund rates, and high refund rates make them nervous. It can imply a high level of customer dissatisfaction. So merchants don’t want to see their straight refund percentages get real high, either.
One other point is that merchants have to pay fees for every transaction (including both initial purchase and subsequent refunds). Refunds generate a nice loss, even for digital (low overhead) products.
You’ll notice with some of the “bonuses” affiliates are offering, those affiliates aren’t providing their bonuses until AFTER the refund window has closed shut.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
@Joel, Kern will honor refunds – all of these guys do.
With List Control the whole course is delivered before the refund period expires.
I would hope that anyone who is even slightly unhappy with their purchase would just avail themselves of his guarantee.
However wrong anyone may think the pricing or marketing or whatever is, that doesn’t make it right to throw up a chargeback when a refund is available very easily.
Plus chargebacks are a giant pain in the ass for the purchaser. Call, wait for forms in the mail, fill out forms, wait.
It’d be easier to just drive by his house and steal one of the garden gnomes to sell for money.
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Tony Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
@Unicorn Army said, “It’d be easier to just drive by his house and steal one of the garden gnomes to sell for money.”
You’re thinking of Filsaime’s house, and keep in mind, they’d be hollering while you carried them.
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abraxas Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
@Unicorn Army,
Refunds aren’t always honored by “these guys”.
When they say they are having problems with their payment processors or with paypal and they say they will mail you a check, it is time to get a chargeback ASAP
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Unicorn Army Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
@abraxas,
I should be more clear, then:
Any of the big players, who move big numbers – Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, and pals – are going to give refunds. Most of them will give refunds not just during their 30-day guarantee, but during the first 60 days.*
Will they try to talk you out of it? Yes. Every business does that. Take a tie back to Macy’s and ask for a refund – they’ll try to get you to take a different tie, or a store credit, if they can.
The reason why “these guys” give refunds is that they have too many customers not to. If they didn’t give refunds, the number of chargebacks would put them out of business.
The people who don’t give refunds are the small time scammers.
*After 60 days, not only will they not want to give you a refund anyway, but it’s not possible for them to give a refund via credit card, or Paypal – at that point, sending a check or sending money by Paypal, is the only option.
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hrm Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
@correction,
lol… Jeff Walker is such a shitbag.
He tries to come off as this harmless nerd, but you just know that when he doesn’t have his condescending salesman mask on, he’s probably creepy as fuck.
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Marc Rodill Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 11:55 am
@correction,
Uhhh?
That’s not true. Walker did NOT say there would be no refunds. He said NOT to refund if you wanted WALKER’S BONUS when he released it. Because obviously Jeff Walker is an AFFILIATE for List Control, and he only gets paid on orders that DO NOT REFUND after the REFUND PERIOD has passed.
Good Lord some people are TOO EASY. You can slip something right by them even AFTER you come straight out with it, plain as day.
(yes I have the Walker’s emails)
And I quote: “Remember, TO GET THESE BONUSES you must
buy the course through that link above, and you
can’t refund the course.”
Emphasis on “TO GET THESE BONUSES” in case you didn’t notice.
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Me! Reply:
April 25th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
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@Marc Rodill, Marc Rodill, shouldn’t you be busy doing serial refund requests on the Warrior Forum? Scatt..
LOSER!! ::   -4
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# 18 March 2010 at 4:18 am

stoic said:
Why should the Devil have all the best tunes?
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4YvMVATFgA&feature=related
WINNER!! ::   +9
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# 18 March 2010 at 5:25 am

Henry the VIII I Am said:
Most goo-roos built their first big lists before the antispam laws were passed. It was a time when people would opt in to lists for everything and you could import email addresses and spam away for sales.
The goo-roos now cross-promote and feed off each others lists plus all the n00bs who drive traffic hoping to get one or two affiliate sales.
How can you duplicate their list-building success?
Option 1 is Time Travel. You could build the same size lists as the goo-roos if you started back in 2001 instead of 2010.
Option 2 is to develop a high end info product with a generous super-affiliate payout and get the goo-roos on board to promote you for 80-100% of the front end profits. You make your money on the back end and future promotions to your new list if you can compete with the goo-roos and their bonuses on each successive launch.
Option 3 is to fake the success.
WINNER!! ::   +10
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SD Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
@IKilledAnnBoleyn ::
80 – 100% :: wow :: what a deal.
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Old Man Reply:
March 21st, 2010 at 10:27 pm
@Henry the VIII I Am,
Wow Henry – how old are you?? – and to SD – he was the eighth husband called Henry, not the King of England – old music hall song.
And Option 3 is the option of choice for 99% of Guru’s isn’t it?
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@LiarCrusher Reply:
April 24th, 2010 at 1:52 am
@Old Man
LOL…Yes, Option 3 and mix in liberal amounts of f*ck over the customer!
Notice how in the video, his hand is still frozen in the “Circle” from jerking off one of his guru buddies only moments before?
Or was I the only one that spotted that?
LC
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# 18 March 2010 at 8:30 am

Tiga said:
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“It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.” – Theodore Roosevelt
LOSER!! ::   -10
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Duff Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Does your quotation apply to your own post? Isn’t posting this an attempt to criticize the critic? Isn’t Roosevelt himself criticizing those who would criticize him by saying/writing this? Isn’t The Droid’s writing itself an act of strength?
Personally I believe such anti-scam blogs are important causes worth fighting for. Jason is “actually in the arena,” marred by dust and sweat and blood, fighting the good fight for justice.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Tiga Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
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@Duff, To spineless marxist scum like yourself Jason must seem like a real superhero.
However I see a small man-child HIDING behind a mask spewing snarky profanity laced non-sense (that at times is entertaining) but in reality accomplishes absolutely NOTHING.
This is no arena… just a hiding place for losers to gather and opine while unconsciously exposing their true colors.
Carry on… I find it fascinating.
LOSER!! ::   -13
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Hoopdy Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
@Tiga said: “This is no arena… just a hiding place for losers to gather and opine while unconsciously exposing their true colors.”
Well, Tiga, you seem to return here time and again. What does that make you? Oh, that’s right, you’re only here to “observe.” That’s why you can’t help but comment? And the universe gives you a thumbs down and nullifies your words.
I find THAT fascinating!
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Unicorn Army Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
@Tiga, as I understand it, he is a very large man-child.
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_cartman_ Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Oh salty…you rick rolled me….three times!!
Hi Tiga…..I new you couldn’t stay away from me….BBP (our secret)…us big brained people just have an infinity for each other!…I picked up the the real meaning behind the reference to the “Arena” (the place where the Ramens fought the Tigas….roar)
When I didn’t see you post for the past couple of days, I got scared…butt….I new that you couldn’t stay away from me….it’s kind of hot the way you stock me….are you a bunny boiler too….cuz that’s fucking super hot!
WINNER!! ::   +10
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stoic Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 6:05 am
Duh, @_cartman_,
and there I was thinking Flying Spaghetti Monster, or even Orson Scott Card’s fantasy novels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Scott_Card
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramen_(Ender)
I will have to see Occam about getting my blade sharpened.
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Duff Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 9:46 am
@Tiga,
I think your humor bone is missing.
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Marc Rodill Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
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@Tiga, You’re so right. But I come here for the entertainment value. I have a sick sense of humor even if I don’t agree with everything said here.
But other than that, yeah a lot of the people here are just your average run of the mill with no ambition and feel the need to bring others down to make themselves feel better.
I mean, they voted down your Theodore Roosevelt quote! I HAD to laugh when I saw that. That’s one of the most popular and influential quotes of all time for stepping outside of your comfort zone, being confident in yourself, and going after your dreams.
You didn’t even SAY anything. That’s terrible that it would garner that type of reaction, but it’s also human nature to be on this side of the fence. I can tell you, being around “marketers” a lot, many of them don’t like Kern either.
EVEN marketers think he’s overdone and charges too much. EVEN marketers are jealous of his success and hate him for it. EVEN marketers think he’s full of shit.
Personally, I think he’s a genius. And I don’t like any other “big name” marketers out there. It’s just that his stuff actually works, and it’s definitely not about “hype” like someone else mentioned.
But then again, OF COURSE they bought ANY of his products, haven’t they?
Nah.
Just on the outside looking in.
LOSER!! ::   -8
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MK Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
“Just on the outside looking in.”
LOL
“Personally, I think he’s a genius.”
LOL!!!
“It’s just that his stuff actually works, and it’s definitely not about “hype” like someone else mentioned.”
That is also comical.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +6
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P.S. Marc Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
“I think you need to write an in depth post (do a video) on how to overcome the “fear of looking stupid.” That’s one thing that held me back for a long time.”
You’ve clearly gotten over that fear. LOL
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Actually... Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Marc – I apologize.
You actually DO have some great insights on about Mass Control from “the outside looking in” about the idiots avoiding Frank because of the whole FTC thing.
But “you don’t care what anyone else says”, so my compliment probably won’t mean anything to you.
*tear*
I love this line: “And, duck when you see the FTC!”
LOL IM’ers have the most thoughtful strategies for dealing with the FTC.
“Marc Rodill said
am September 11 2009 @ 7:32 pm
Something happen recently to ya to inspire this post?
Ah, we all deal with shit every now and then.
It’s funny, a lot of people still avoid you because of that FTC thing.
They’re idiots.
More money for the rest of us.
BTW, I’ve had your course for 5 months, and I just opened it yesterday. How’s that for lazy?
Haha, just kidding. But I am finally REALLY using the thing for once (via memory) I know the thing so well I don’t even have to crack it open to do my first launch.
Dude, I think you need to write an in depth post (do a video) on how to overcome the “fear of looking stupid.” That’s one thing that held me back for a long time. I think it’s more rampant than we know.
For example… anyone, ask yourself this question…
Do you think doing video will make you more money?
(Yes.)
Do you care if other people look stupid on video?
(Not really.)
Do you care if YOU look stupid on video?
The answer is usually YES.
Why?
I liked something I read the other day, by Gary Halbert. How he says, when he was younger, he was afraid that people we’re paying TOO MUCH attention to him. And how, as he got a little bit older, he was afraid that people weren’t paying ENOUGH attention to him.
He finally wisened up, and came the conclusion that, everyone is too preoccupied with themselves, “me me me”, to pay any real attention to you, or anything else.
And secondly, how most of the people who bitch and complain embody the typical person who is too afraid to anything substantial with his own life, so he’s just taking it out you to feel better about himself.
Bottom-line: The opinion of a fool has no value.
Anyway — I think that this type of fear is one of the major things holding people back. I just did my first 25 minute audio call today, and my mom walked into the room in the middle of it.
(Still at home. I pull off the “art” that is, being broke, with finesse. I do it best.)
At first, I got all embarrassed, and upset that she “interrupted me”. But then, I immediately felt better because I just simply continued to do my work. This is my JOB. Why be embarrassed about that? It’s like, a new milestone or something.
Totally cool.
I went off on a tangent, but I guess my point is: get shit done, and don’t care what anyone says about it. They’re not living your life, you are.
(And, duck when you see the FTC!)
Marc Rodill
P.S. I was totally not your “target customer” when I bought MC, but I’m glad I did anyway. This whole deal, about not having two nickels to rub together, is quite the learning experience, lemme tell ya. Not that I need to.”
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Raymond Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Marc: if you ever land that “step up” job at Jiffy Lube, we’ll be the first to congratulate you, after your mom does.
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Frank Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
@Marc Rodill, you’re an idiot. “You didn’t even say anything.” Yes, “tiga/it” certainly did. That was a continuation of an idiotic assault. You’re pretty simplistic to look at a fragment of a continuous dialog and come to a conclusion.
In fact, you’re probably the kind of buffoon who would come upon a mass murder scene and say, “why did you arrest that man…when I got here, all he was doing was putting away his gun. Clearly, he was just going after his dreams. All those bodies, I don’t know about.” Stupid.
There are more “insiders” here than you know, quickdraw, and they know far more than you ever will.
If you think Frank Kern is a genius…I can only imagine what you must think of Bernard Madoff!
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +5
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Marc Rodill Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
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@Marc Rodill,
Lol. I love you guys.
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Marc Rodill Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
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Actually I should have said @MK, @P.S. Marc, @Actually…, @Frank.
See? I’m so dumb, I’m just lucky to be able to know how to use a comment function!
Marc
P.S. Frank Kern is a genius.
P.P.S. Murder is bad, silly.
P.P.P.S. Tiga didn’t say anything.
P.P.P.P.S. Frank’s stuff actually works.
P.P.P.P.P.S. This is fun, please continue.
LOSER!! ::   -9
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Don Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
@Marc Rodill, Are you and Tiga one and the same, or joined at the unhip? I notice a striking similarity in your lack of brain function.
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_cartman_ Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
@Marc Rodill,
I watched Kern’s interview with Robbins, Kern’s not to bright..
First off…the whole car dealer thing…is a theoretical construct that won’t work (for multiple reasons)…
First, for a car to be considered new, it can’t be previously registered with the DMV. A “used” car won’t command full price in any reality.
…ahhh yes…but Frank said don’t submit the paper work…
Get a fucking clue….he means the paperwork for the financing (and stop trying to be a smart ass)…the car cannot be insured or driven until it is registered with the DMV (no registration or licensing and you won’t be able to insure it or drive it)…and I would take this further…butt..I will wait for your next input…
Then if the car is brought back, it has to go through a thorough “inspection” to be part of a “certified” series of used cars(as per each of the manufacturers criteria), to be covered under “like new” car warranty (and so the dealer only has to discount it 5-10% as a used car).
Creating theoretical constructs is easy, to understand if they will work “financially”, you would have to know about the industry you are talking about.
And yeah…you’re fucking brilliant….an Alexa rank of 1.8 million for a marketer (and your traffic consists of marketing wannabes)….pahhhlease…
Let me quote you…
“Bottom-line: The opinion of a fool has no value.”
http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/?p=57
I’ll leave it at that….
And stop talking to my Bitch….or we are going to have to tussle….Tiga…you okay babe?…damn it girl…your big brain drives me WILD!!!!
WINNER!! ::   +17
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Marc Rodill Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
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@_cartman_, & @Don,
I love you guys. Really. But this is too distracting. I’m not nearly HALF as brilliant as I naturally appear to be with my 1.8MM Alexa rank. I know… it’s a curse.
As such, I have work to do. You can consider me FINISHED on this post. I have been beaten! There’s too much malarky going on here to have a constructive conversation.
Love you bye
Marc
P.S. Tiga is my wife of 85 years and counting.
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Wtf Reply:
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:59 pm
@Tiga,
Oh so angry are we.. makes one wonder if you haven’t been
one of the ones targeted on this blog it seems the cowards and the losers themselves always stand up for their “own Kind” and trash this site
move along
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@LiarCrusher Reply:
April 24th, 2010 at 1:55 am
@Tiga
If you think conning people out of loads of money is a “worthy cause,” you’re one lost beatch!
LC
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# 18 March 2010 at 8:50 am

Squatty said:
Ryan Deiss is “giving away” the stuff he charged people all that money for?? I bet those previous customers feel just GREAT about that! Or maybe Ryan has reassessed the “value” of his own stuff and that’s why he’s “giving it away.” He likes to repackage stuff in a lot of different ways, that’s for sure.
Anybody know who Deiss and Kern’s merchant providers are? Is it PowerPay by chance? Or are there others? Just curious.
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Stealth Stinger Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
@Squatty, they use infusionsoft and PowerPay… iPowerPay is part of the “Ring” ;-)
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Squatty Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
@Stealth Stinger, when you refer to ipowerpay being part of the “ring” what do you mean? Obviously a lot of those guys use them, but I would imagine (because of financial regulations) their participation is somewhat limited outside of being a provider (“arms length” I would think). Is there more?
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Stealth Stinger Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
@Squatty, Glad you should ask :-)
Well… heres the key to iPowerpay… “they” have a key guy there who will “look after” all those marketers who are “well known” and part of the “circle”… I won’t reveal his name here as he’s only “doin’ his job”… but from Armand Morin (fake name too) to Kern et al… they all have an “in” with iPowerpay and this goes through many channels… but makes sure their businesses stay afloat… it’s sort of like being covered with Goose Fat… nothing sticks IF you’re in the “circle” ;-)
If you imagine that these guys KNOW that the marketeers get high returns… they already have allowances made… coz unfortunately… a lot of people don’t return products… so it all adds to their bottom line.
I am, BTW, covered in Goose Fat myself… but as our Salty knows… I ain’t been around much on this scene and don’t hold with what happens within the circle…
I USED TO, but then I got stung, personally, by one of the “GooWoos”… never again!
Keep well my friend
Peace
JJ
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Squatty Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
@Stealth Stinger, ok, I see. Those guys get a handler to help keep them compliant with MC/Visa. I imagine the guy you refer to is J (Morin has mentioned him publicly). Seems a bit risky for them all to be sitting in the same boat, although Morin has stated he has multiple merchant accounts.
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Sabrina Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
@Squatty, a lot of Deiss’ customers aren’t happy.
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# 18 March 2010 at 2:18 pm

KarinBigShotEgo said:
“Follow feeders, people who collect followers my last 5000 followers are sheep like rabid followers from @bigrichb and they will follow anybody. His top 5 in his favorites list are feeders *”
Man, I (oops, that guy) @bigrichb was a twitter stud last year.
I’m friends with Perry. He’s a good guy.
He’s not perfect, but nobody is. I know most people here don’t like him. That’s fine. I’ll just get that out of the way so we can agree to disagree about him as a person.
Since he’s no longer selling internet marketing stuff and my twitter system no longer works because of twitter changes, I’ll share this story.
I showed Perry my system for racking up twitter followers around Jan 15, 2009. I usually got between 1,000-2,000 new followers a day. He used my system and followed my followers to shoot up from around 12,000 followers to over 75,000 in a few months.
He made a lot of money through having his twitter followers go to teleseminars/webinars where he sold them there. That was the major technique for making money off twitter for him.
But for the average person, twitter sucks for making money. I made money selling a system on how to rack up followers, but I didn’t make (didn’t even try) any money from my actual followers. A twitter follower has little value if you think you’ll strike it rich selling to them.
Obvious… to most people.
Twitter started making changes around July last year that nullified most of my techniques. So for the past 9 months, it’s been impossible to get a lot of followers on twitter. I stopped at 90,000 followers around then.
Well, that’s my little story on that.
Anyway, I’ve been coming here since Salty started the blog. Posted a few times because Karin annoys the hell out of me. Always going off subject talking about herself.
Salty, you’re a virtuoso of words. Quite funny.
Perry even said he thought you were funny. You were actually a blessing in disguise for him. He’s way happier now that he isn’t selling internet marketing products.
Rich
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Zamboni Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
@KarinBigShotEgo, interesting story.
You’re wrong about Perry being a good guy though. His wicked ways go back to the creation of his DNA, and his history proves it. If you’d like to say you find him charming, however, join the club (but it doesn’t meet here).
I’m assuming you didn’t employ Perry’s methods (y) and (z) that he described in his email.
What’s Perry doing now by the way? Used cars sounds about right.
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Yip Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
I’d bet that Belcher’s still hanging out with Ryan Deiss, and that his alleged “retirement” is total BULLSHIT.
What makes me think that? Lots of things, including this gem:
http://www.credit-card-hell.com
That’s a Deiss site, with a fake name on the sales letter of course.
Nothing like targeting desperate people in a dire economy, huh?
No sense in selling genuinely handy stuff to regular people who have the “luxury” of time and contemplation…
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MazeMan Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 4:54 am
@Zamboni – Check out atty Mike Young’s blog post to see what Perry Belcher is up to now:
http://mikeyounglaw.com/wp/2010/01/28/perry-belcher-returns/
Mike doesn’t mention these other Perry sites:
[1] Teleseminar site: http://gethotdogcash.com/ (Interesting because in these comments, KarinBigShotEgo posted “He made a lot of money through having his twitter followers go to teleseminars/webinars where he sold them there. That was the major technique for making money off twitter for him.”)
It would appear he is repeating the teleseminar formula again, just in a different market.
[2] hotdogcash.com site is owned by Shoestring Publihing, LLC – http://shoestringstartups.com/
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MazeMan Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 5:19 am
Found this in the comments of SD’s “Perry Belcher: Second Second Chance”:
http://saltydroid.info/perry-belcher-second-second-chance/
Someone named Jorge posted these Perry Belcher links:
http://www.hotdogcash.com
http://www.hotdogcartsecrets.com
http://www.icecreamsecrets.com
http://www.icecreamtrucksecrets.com
The last three were not mentioned in atty Mike Young’s post.
Both ice cream domains are owned by Touchstone Publishing, LLC (http://drivingtraffic.com/) which “coincidentally” has the same exact address as Shoestring Publishing, LLC mentioned above and is a Ryan Diess site.
Hey PB/RD: BTW, absolutely brilliant putting ALL these domains on the *same* domain servers. Wow, even if a couple are registered to entities other than the two mentioned, isn’t the domain server matter “coincidental”.
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Yip Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Here’s yet another BELCHER site:
http://curbpaintingprofits.com
How do you know it’s Belcher’s? Notice how he blocked out the store location on the receipt graphic on that page? Well, he didn’t block out the STORE NUMBER, which when searched online along with the name LOWE’S, shows that it’s a store in the Memphis, Tennessee area. That’s where Perry was convicted shortly before he scurried off to Austin. Oh, and look at the testimonials. There’s a NATHAN from AUSTIN, TX (imagine that…doesn’t NATHAN work in Deiss’ office? Yes, he DO!). Is that FRAUD?
The guy just can’t seem to play by society’s norms.
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Wonderman Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Is Ryan Deiss an expert in computer repair?
http://www.startcomputerrepairbusiness.com
Is Ryan Deiss an expert on “doggy daycare?”
http://www.howtostartadogdaycare.com (*)
Is Ryan Deiss (oops, name on page is Perry’s) an expert in operating a CHILDREN’S DAY CARE?
http://www.how-to-start-a-daycare-center.com
When is this site going to be finished and ready with bait, Ryan/Perry?
http://www.consignmentstoreguru.com
(*) Interesting earnings claims and bottom-of-the-page “disclosure” link. Too bad it doesn’t pass FTC muster. You CAN’T separate claims from reality like that, boys! You’ll eventually learn…
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MazeMan Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
@Yip: Good catch! And wouldn’t ya know it, CurbPaintingProfits.com shares the same domain servers as all the others listed above.
But the real give-away is at the very bottom of the page where it says “Question? email us at support@shoestringstartups.com”
@Wonderman: Nice work. It might be fun to compile a little spreadsheet of all these domains.
You inspired me. I found:
http://perryshotdogcarts.com
http://howtostartapaintingbusiness.com
http://www.icecreamtruckprofits.com
This is probably a Diess site:
http://centuryentrepreneursclub.com (tho Copyright 2008)
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Yip Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 12:33 am
That century site is definitely a Deiss site. It was at one time bundled as a continuity with the hot dog and other site’s ebooks.
Here’s some more new stuff:
http://ideaincubator.net
http://walkiechalkie.com
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Yip Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:02 am
Moved a fuller list to a better location:
http://saltydroid.info/patsyboys-info-masturbation/#comment-15587
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stoic Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 3:38 am
@Yip,
Just tried that disclaimer link on how to start a doggy daycare, as you suggested–broken.
Ryan/Perry must be glued to this site.
Gloriously subtle sales spiel on the curb painting site,
“Hi, my names Rich”
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Yip Reply:
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:25 am
Perry is certainly glued to this site…his parole paranoia and (fractional remaining) conscience assures it. Ryan probably checks in as well.
They’ve got to be hating the list and even bigger list that is linked to above. And that’s just for starters.
Maybe Belcher (I mean, “Rich”) is now spending his days painting curbs. Nah, that would involve actual work. He’d prefer to sell other people on doing the imaginary, hypothetical, sweaty stuff.
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bizop Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 5:26 am
@MazeMan,
shoestringstartups site looks like it’s selling biz op
Reminds me of those ads you find in biz op magazines like Small Business Opportunity Magazine (such as SMC, the infomercial with Tom Bosley)
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Sabrina Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
@KarinBigShotEgo, the average person doesn’t make money on Twitter because of all the crap systems out there on how to game (ie get useless followers) and encourage using auto-posting.
I make really, really good money on Twitter. Over 7 figures of business. It comes from networking with the right people and not by pitching to numbers that mean nothing.
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SD Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
@K.B.S.E / BigRichB ::
SMMS was sold for $2,000 – $3,000 with Evil Jowls saying he was making $1 per follower per month just from Twitter. That’s a joke :: and everyone who knows anything about anything knows that’s a joke. By the time of the launch … the rules had already changed … and the old follow spam systems were already broken. People paid for that shit … with real money … with HUGE real money. That’s fraud. Is that okay? That’s the fucking question. It’s not about how he is to hang with. The “good” in “good guy” is supposed to mean something. Something about actions … not about social competence under the influence of 2-9 beers.
If I managed to drive PB from scamming permanently :: then that was a massive blessing {not in disguise}. But that remains to be seen. Is that not our jovial friend Perry unable to restrain his laughter at Ryan’s homoerotic mention of “trashing packages” at 20secs??
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KarinBigShotEgo Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Salty,
Perry actually was making $1+ per follower per month over the summer through teleseminars/webinars to his twitter followers. When you’re selling $1,000-2,000 products, it doesn’t take many buyers to equal $60,000+.
SMMS… yeah, that was definitely overpriced (no clue about the quality of the info in it, but the follower info in it would’ve been outdated when it launched). I personally think any internet marketing product that’s priced over $200 (even if it has great actionable info in it) is overpriced.
But I think a lot of things are overpriced… football tickets, cable, cell phone plan, diapers, insurance, etc.
So I don’t fault Perry or anyone for high prices since I have free-will to pay or not pay… plus you can get a refund on their stuff. I’m cancelling my cable since I’m sick of paying $65 for just the basic package when my wife and I only watch 4 cable channels.
When Perry and Ryan had a 3 day seminar last summer here in Austin, Perry let me sit in for free. I think most of the people there paid $2,000+ to attend. They got their money’s worth.
It was a great event. Perry/Ryan do know a lot and give out a lot of good, actionable information that would make people a lot of money if they implemented and used it. But for most people, including me, their prices are too high.
Anyway, I visit this site for the drama, but for the people who come here wanting to know who gives out good internet marketing information for reasonable prices, I would recommend Jimmy D. Brown stuff and getting on Ben Settle’s email list. I know of 2 people who visit this site and have credibility that would vouch for Ben.
Cubs suck… White Sox rule Chicago!
Muchly debated. What do you think?   -2
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Very true Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
@KarinBigShotEgo,
Well said.
Just made a couple of capitalized changes:
“Perry actually was making $1+ per follower per month over the summer through LYING. When you’re LYING, it doesn’t take MUCH TRUTH to COMMUNICATE WHATEVER BS A PERSON WANTS.
SMMS… yeah, that was definitely overpriced (the follower info in it WAS outdated when it launched). Internet marketing productS ARE overpriced.
But I think a lot of things are overpriced… BUT MOSTLY IM PRODUCTS.
So I DIRECTLY BLAME Perry for high prices AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I’m cancelling my cable since PERRY TOOK MY MONEY.
When Perry and Ryan had a 3 day seminar last summer here in Austin, Perry let me sit in for free. I think most of the people there paid $2,000+ to attend. They got RIPPED OFF.
It was a great LESSON IN BS. Perry/Ryan do know a lot ABOUT BS and BS a lot of good PEOPLE. IN CONCLUSION, their prices are too high.
Anyway, I visit this site for the LULZ, but for the people who come here wanting to know who gives out good internet marketing information for reasonable prices, I would recommend ANYTHING EXCEPT IM. I know of MANY people who visit this site and have MANY LULZ.”
Madlibs FTW!
WINNER!! ::   +8
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stoic Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 6:16 am
@KarinBigShotEgo,
Jimmy D Brown is the one IM’er I’ve found to be bullshit- free. He was the original mentor of Deiss, I believe, and is currently retiring all his stuff which has always been basic principles and cheap as chips.
As for the rest……….
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SlowlyWaking Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 9:19 am
@stoic, never heard of him… but I’ve heard this: ” If You Can Write 7-15 Pages… Then You Can Make A Living Online Working Just A Few Hours Each Week From The Comfort Of Your Home. Free report explains how.” Too bad it’s not true. Basic principles, sure, for 2001.
& The John Reese testimonial doesn’t say much for him.
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stoic Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 10:07 am
@SlowlyWaking,
OK, ‘bullshit-free’ is a relative term in this quagmire of free-running merde we call western capitalism.
I’m not an IM’er but read some of Jimmy D’s stuff circa 2007 and found the ratio of sales-hype to info to be palatable. I doubt he charges more than $20 for any of his stuff and he emphasises that there is no magic solution, you have to do the work yourself and every thing in life is a gamble.
Basic principles are just that, basic, enough to get you started. Fads change from year to year, basic principles are perennial and rarely need to change.
Its a mucky business and I doubt you’ll find anyone in it who is untainted.
I am not averse to paying for information that I want to learn from. I buy a book and do not cry foul if what is on the page is not perfect. You will wait a long time in this life if you are waiting for perfect.
WINNER!! ::   +7

Marc Rodill Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
@SlowlyWaking,
QUOTE: “@stoic, never heard of him… but I’ve heard this: ” If You Can Write 7-15 Pages… Then You Can Make A Living Online Working Just A Few Hours Each Week From The Comfort Of Your Home. Free report explains how.” Too bad it’s not true. Basic principles, sure, for 2001.”
Actually, yeah. It is true. But whatever.
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@Marc Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Actually, not, It’s not true. But whatevs.
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SlowlyWaking Reply:
March 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pm
@Mark Rodill
Leaving out the hundreds of hours of work those seven pages require before you make a living? That’s a lie.
Incidentally, I came here to vent after getting ripped off by people like you. I feel better, and am returning to a world where no subhumans base their lives on how much they can trade their human worth for some fleeting douchebux.
Keep up the good work, Salty.
ta, all~
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SD Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 10:29 am
@Rich ::
You know you sound like a drone right? Is that YOU talking? Is that how YOU talk? Or are you just repeating the things you hear repeated?
Free will is easily subjugated to group think {look it up!} :: especially if that group focuses its message around emotionally charged areas. Perry and Ryan both know that :: and use it against people. And anywayz :: there is no free will in a transaction where misinformation has been transferred … which P&R are guilty of at all times.
If you’re just trying to lay down the regular propaganda in my beautiful herb garden :: then fuck you … go away! But if you actually believe some of the shit that just came out of your mouth … then you don’t have what it takes to succeed in this “business” … and you should take a couple steps back before you start doing things that you’ll hate yourself for later. The mirror ALWAYS looks back.
And White Sox do indeed rule :: South Side! {but not too far south … 35th … that’s far enough}
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KarinBigShotEgo Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
“You know you sound like a drone”… that’s an ironic statement to someone who just slightly “dissents” on this blog.
Drones = the 10% of irrational types who come here to hero-worship you and parrot your every word without contributing any original thoughts.
“regular propaganda”… you’re jaded.
I’ve posted here before under the Karinbigshotego anonymously… where was the propaganda back then? Now all of a sudden I’m Goebbels because I “got outta line” by saying Perry is my friend. I must be up to no good or I need someone (you) to make decisions for me (i’m a drone) on who my friends are. :)
The only reason I even made a post on this thread was because I saw that I was in it.
Simple, nothing more.
I had an insight that you and nobody else here knew about. You happily gobbled up the insight. No need to hulk up and tear open your Cubs shirt and flex your 24 inch pythons brotha.
I have no problems with you or what you’re doing. You’re keeping IM’ers honest in an entertaining way. Good.
I’m just glad you agree with me (you drone) that the Cubs suck… heck, maybe you even like Ultimate Fighting also. Craziness!
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Bob Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
@KarinBigShotEgo, Now you know it’s not the best idea to admit around a place like this that felonious Perry Belcher is any fiend of yours. ‘Cuz he ain’t no friend of humanity. Your observation comes from the feel good dynamic, and that’s entirely Perry’s domain. Next time you see him, look more closely at the points on his teeth.
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True vs False Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
“I must be up to no good”
True.
“I need someone (you) to make decisions for me (i’m a drone) on who my friends are.”
True.
“I had an insight that you and nobody else here knew about. You happily gobbled up the insight. No need to hulk up and tear open your Cubs shirt and flex your 24 inch pythons brotha.”
False.
“I have no problems with you or what you’re doing.”
False.
2 – 2 TIE!!! FINAL ROUND!!!
“You’re keeping IM’ers honest in an entertaining way.”
TRUE!!!!!!!
3 – 2! TRUTH WINS!
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2280/tr178.jpg
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# 18 March 2010 at 5:42 pm

Donk said:
I also thought that sounded like Belcher laughing in the video.
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# 19 March 2010 at 12:15 am

Awesome Rant said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
salty – I posted about this guy a while back…check this out:
http://copynprofit3.com/ranting/ranting.html
He’s launching a his own IM product in the near future which I had the gall to bring up on the (in)famous WarriorForum. Apparently they don’t like this guy (just like you) much their either and removed all references to him…
What’s your thoughts on guys like this? Are they scammers too in your opinion?
LOSER!! ::   -5
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# 19 March 2010 at 12:55 am

Awesome Rant said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Just wanted to clarify in case you were wondering – I posted earlier under ‘advancednoob’ (my username at WF as well).
LOSER!! ::   -4
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# 19 March 2010 at 12:56 am

Stealth Stinger said:
@all :-)
The thing is… SOME people pay OOOOODLES of dosh to go to the conferences… did you know that top affiliates are invited for FREE! Gawsh!
The money isn’t in the conferences… it’s in the selling of the DVD’s afterwards!
They would drag vagrants in off the street to the conferences… it’s all in the “Back End”…
People who actually PAY to go to these just fund the room hire and nibbles… and is NEVER where the money is!
All in the sale of the DVD’s
Shhhhh… don’t tell anyone… it’s between you and me! :-)
Peace
JJ
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Walt Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
And to follow up with what StealthStinger said…lots of speakers appear at these seminars for FREE in order to hawk their own wares…and on top of that, the seminar organizers often receive a percentage of those sales as well.
If you’re PAYING to attend such a seminar, you’re at the bottom of the feed chain…NOT a good place to be!
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hrm Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
@Walt,
People go to these seminars to network.
The mentality is: Hey, other people interested in fucking other people out of their money. Fuck yeah! Let’s do this! Here’s my number!
That’s what seminars are for.
All of the shit these assbags spew on stage is the same stuff most of the people have heard before they ever paid the entrance fee.
The other interest is for emulation purposes. Kern, Pagan, Robbins, all of the seminar dudes, are just doing what someone did before them. These guys all made their money as being a “make money guru”… Kern, Pagan, pretty much all the make money guys probably never did shit before they got into the “guru” biz.
A lot of the dating niche is the same. A lot of guys that teach teach teach and preach preach preach, but when it comes to showing the real goods – actual footage of them doing what they tell people to do – most of it is staged or they just don’t have shit period.
Calling Ross Jeffries! Ross Jeffries! Aisle 4!
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
@hrm,
Aisle 4? Is that a reach around or a bj?
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# 19 March 2010 at 2:19 pm

fayzed said:
MY BULLSHIT DETECTORS ARE WORKING OVER TIME ON THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE:
Perry Belcher
James Ray
Frank Kern
David Schirmer
Joe Vitale
TO NAME JUST A FEW…….
What do they have in common? They are all flogging BULLSHIT with EVEN BIGGER BULLSHIT claims about themselves. All of them are overnight EXPERTS at everything they think they can make a quick buck out of. If you start investigating you are ostracised immediately OR you discover just how much BULLSHIT they really are marketing. The ones who add JESUS to the mix make it even worse for themselves because they are THE ULTIMATE BULLSHITTERS and frankly a freakin disgrace. If they ever get to the point where they can come out of their own asses and see daylight I reckon their lives would never be the same again. How many business associates have WALKED from these people after they discovered the facts behind the fiction? Let me answer that for you HEAPS likely HUNDREDS yet they try to master the art of deceiving the SHEEPLES all the harder. And those of us who have been through it all and seen it all sit back and LAUGH OUR FREAKIN HEADS OFF now. Thanks Salty for the effervescent posts and to everyone else who is curious for the cause.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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hrm Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
@fayzed,
You know, the truth is, there’s a balance to being a “guru”.
Not all of the “gurus” are full of shit. Not every information product out there is bullshit that won’t help you.
But the reality is, if you get into this business, you have to choose what your objectives are.
If you’re like the big names, you’re objectives are on the marketing and maximizing profit. This is why they are the most visible, this is why they have the most products and the biggest funnels/backends/most opportunities to buy.
Though, there are a couple of not-as-well-known names in every niche of information, that focus less time on the marketing and dollar maximizing, and instead focus on the content. Creating a genuine high-quality product that will provide value and not require anything else… And you pretty much get the straight truth and everything from that one thing you invest in.
But, most people that ever sit down to start typing an e-book, create a site, learn marketing… whatever… They’re doing it because their current job blows. People that don’t have to worry about money typically aren’t going to say “I’m going to become a guru”.
Which is why you get an avalanche of assholes like Kern and every other douchebag doing 95% marketing / 5% content (if that).
Weeding those few rare valuable players in the field from the masses of marketing assholes giving you endless loops of failure so you go farther down their product funnel, is not the easiest task these days.
Especially with all of the fake blogs, fake review sites, bullshit forums.
If you really want to weed out the asshole marketers with products that are probably designed to make you feel like you need more or else you’ll fail, from the people that actually created something of value, it’s simple. Go look at how big the back-end is (how many options there are to buy is usually a good start if it’s more concealed-tier back-end like Eben Pagan does on DYD).
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hrm Reply:
March 19th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
And take it from me… I’m part of a community where I see people day in and day out talking about how they’re going to just throw some PLR-content (Private Labeling Rights, you buy it and you’re allowed to re-title it and sell it as your own) on a website that they spent a few bucks on e-lance getting some third world slave laborer to make for $10 and become millionaires.
That’s the mentality. The high-$-per-hour is in the marketing, and part of the marketing is maximizing customer value. Customer value is higher if your shit makes them fail or feel like they need to go further down a funnel.
That’s reality.
Queue up Michael Douglas. Greed is wood.
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# 19 March 2010 at 4:37 pm

failworm said:
People that don’t have to worry about money typically aren’t going to say “I’m going to become a guru”.
EXACTLY, therefore their motivation is GREED not their care for other human beings. Anyone who has to claim themselves that they are an EXPERT falls into this category. If you are real you dont have to say anything.
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Hank Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 2:39 am
Just look at Joe Vitale. How many ultra rich people, on their business cards just above their address, would put the phrase, “Vitale Estate” like Joe Vitale does. I’m not saying Vitale is ultra rich (except in his own mind), but even people who are 100 times more wealthy than him don’t use that kind of snooty self-posturing. “Estate” my ass. Ridiculous.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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_cartman_ Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
@Hank,
Rule #1…be weary of 99.9999% of all self-professed experts…especially those that try and sell you something, and need to tout their “accomplishments”….
Being an authentic expert myself (which trained the guru’s gurus), I never tell anyone about my man$ion (oh gawd…the 10′s of 1000′s I spend on that place…unreal), or my vector W8 (having a chopper follow me around with jet fuel costs a fortune), or my 300′ yacht, or my 25 carat (I figure if you can afford the extra carat go for it) gold pool table
One thing all these “goobers” tout….APPEAR like an expert…it’s all about appearance, not substance…..me…I’m all about substance…no appearance
cough…okay then…
——-
Oh…and Andros…change that Queen thing…most fathers refer to their daughters as “princess” (if they refer to them as “royalty”)….because technically (in that ‘construct’) the “father” would be a King…Calling one’s own daughter a queen (and I have yet to hear that even once in my life) is either a poorly constructed reality, or very disconcerting…my guess…it’s a poorly constructed reality…(that tip is $28,759, wire the money to my bank).
Maria’s father used to tell her while growing up “You’re a
leader not a follower, and “You’re a queen, walk like a queen.” -Maria A. Andros
PS- Andros listened to you Dave, and changed her whole about page (it’s totally written in third person). I did some calculations, and based on what she charges, she owes yuou $32,598 (pay the man, Andros).
: to make a figure appear “authentic”, don’t make it rounded number otherwise it will make it look like you just it pulled out of your a$$….make it look like a “real” figure…then you can just pull it out of your a$$.
WINNER!! ::   +10
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KarinBigShotEgo Reply:
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:05 pm
Cartman,
I still can’t get past how big her nose is. I just want to squeeze it and play bozo buckets.
Maybe you can let her shoot her next video on your 300 foot yacht. Isn’t your yacht named “Beverly Hills”?
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_cartman_ Reply:
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:38 am
@KarinBigShotEgo,
hahaha…naaa…I christened my yacht (correction…super yacht) the FantaSea….
I don’t know about that….if Pinnochia tells a few more lies…she may poke a hole in my yacht (correction…super yacht) and drown my team, my yacht (correction…super yacht) crew , and I.
besides…she has been busy pushing Carbon Crappy pro (she allegedly did a couple of webinars with Gregg Davison..they weren’t public…and very hush hush…I was unable to find anyone to give me the log-in info or find it anywhere)…with an alleged 1000 people, only 2 people tweeted about it)…so her “videos” may not be forthcoming…
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJOCRA717yI
I guess they are “selling” people on that CCP event coming up…give them free crap (I assume the webinars are free)…and then make them pay, to sell to them….
shrug…CCP is out of my radar…
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Uncle Roy Reply:
March 23rd, 2010 at 1:45 am
“Secret formulas?” I can only imagine she is referring to makeup. She really knows how to push the absurdity envelope. I’d be more interested in knowing what her secret day job is, or whoever covers the cost of her sky lounge and beverly hills post office box (I mean, “ultra compact office”).
Speaking of her nose, didn’t the Canadian bobsled team use it for endurance training during the Olympics?
WINNER!! ::   +7

Rafael Marquez Reply:
March 26th, 2010 at 10:51 am
@_cartman_, That’s what I call the Alex Mandossian plan.
Give a “secret” of somekind or another away for free. Then charge everyone that accepted the “free secret” money to hear the same “secret” with more “value” (aka words) added. Then sell the same “secret” again but charge even more money for it, and push a hotel seminar or just a plain webinar, where you go over the same “secret” again with even more value (aka words) added.
When you’re done with that cycle, give them another “secret” for free. Rinse, lather and repeat.
Oh yeah, make sure to call it a “secret” because no one will want it otherwise. Specially if it “secretes.”
WINNER!! ::   +7

_cartman_ Reply:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
@Uncle Roy,
yeah..she’s queen of absurdity (Andros: I kept your title of royalty, your majesty)…well…she has shot numerous videos from her parents house…so it’s possible one of her family members pays….
Just to clarify something…I don’t know if she lives at the Seacastle full time…I can only state with 100% certainty that is where she shot her tania gabrielle interview, and her launch video (my source claims that is where she lives, but won’t divulge more detail..I guess if the person gives out to much detail, Andros will know who it is that has been giving me info…
It is interesting that Andros doesn’t take many videos (along the beach)….yet she mentions weekly about “living at the beach”…and considering she takes pictures and shows “proof” of all things non relevant (like her coconut dish and certain nothing events), it’s funny that when she states things that seem unbelievable, it always comes without any tangible proof (ie. “meeting” Paris Hilton, tweets about attending JayZ’s “private” party…but posts a picture of a coconut dish from a dinner the evening after…so “someone” asked her why she posted a picture of her dinner, but not the party…and she pulls down the photo..that probably did the foolies to them…bonk..bonk..)
mariaandros About to get on the phone with one of my business coaches …you need a coach to reach higher levels and to become even better:) – Maria A. Andros
About to get on the phone with one of my business coaches …you need a coach to reach higher levels and to become even better:)
— Maria A. Andros (@mariaandros) March 26, 2010
What exactly is a business coach, and why does a person need a “bunch” of them? Is someone autistic? Just curious, but how can someone who needs a “bunch” of coaches, claim to be a coach…..
————–
@Rafael Marquez,
Yeah, that’s true…but I would be surprised if many funneled past the first free bee…I would take any claim of significant sales with a grain of salt (and a little chipotle)…anything can be sold….but to what degree (that is where a “little” “creativity” usually comes into play)…and selling the “concept of selling”, is a lot easier then selling a “real” product (with real competition…and with one’s ability to “make-up” “features”, size of market, and “benefits” is limited)….
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Uncle Roy Reply:
March 27th, 2010 at 1:38 am
@_cartman_, Welcome to my reply. I think that might have been a typo on Maria’s part. She probably meant to say she was “getting on the couch with one of her business phones.” (Because you need a phone to reach higher levels and become even better.)
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_cartman_ Reply:
March 27th, 2010 at 9:15 am
@Uncle Roy,
hmmm…that actually made perfect sense…scary….I guess visualizing on a “business” couch while on the phone is the greatest secrets to suckcess…
300′ super yacht….can you see it now…..
A 6 slice toaster…can you see it now…..
It’s right there…just over the verizon….
I don’t know…I have been taking a music bath with my 300mm yacht (x 100 fold), and visualizing my yacht (correction: super yacht the FantaSea)…and singing a _cartman_ Dion rendition of “My yacht will be fun”….
My wife asked me once….”why the fuck are you in the tub with 20 speakers…and a toy boat”….like duh….hello….I’m taking a music bath and visualizing….damn noob….like christ…why can’t I meat someone vibrating at my level…
then she questioned why I bought a toy helicopter and and hanging it on the ceiling by dental floss over a toy car…it kind of makes me wander if she’s stupid or something…..
ohh yeah…well…fuck it….and she better watch her step….i’m thinking of visualizing a divorce, and cut out one of the best divorce lawyers in Cambodia…and I already cut out a picture of Gisele Bündchen (and am visualizing her in my yacht (correction:super yacht))….I mean !business!
WINNER!! ::   +7

hrm Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
@failworm,
“EXACTLY, therefore their motivation is GREED not their care for other human beings. Anyone who has to claim themselves that they are an EXPERT falls into this category. If you are real you dont have to say anything.”
Not necessarily. The majority, yes. But, there are some people that do enjoy the prestige that comes from having a methodology that will get a genuine result, seeing the people using their methodology getting them a result, praising them.
It is an ego trip for those few that actually do create something effective and decide to share it with the public for personal gain – monetary or prestige/ego. One could say that is closely associated with greed in a sense, but we’re also starting to talk about “what is human greatness and intuition” if we start bashing people that devise genuine methodologies to get results.
I’m not a fan of taking mans creation of something effective and bashing them because they want to be compensated. Atlas Shrugged will be the last book I throw out if I ever decide to buy into Einsteins bullshit philosophy that reading is bad for us after a certain age.
;)
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Hank Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
@hrm said, “But, there are some people that do enjoy the prestige that comes from having a methodology that will get a genuine result, seeing the people using their methodology getting them a result, praising them.”
Sure, they’re called self-aggrandizing egotists. But the world isn’t focused on serving the egotists. We’re talking about the public at large and accepted social norms. And social norms say a big hearty “Fuck You” to people who attempt to elevate themselves using just their own loud horns. That’s the point here. When you take your “act” on the road, it’s the road that decides the value of your act. Not you. Too many “marketers” want to tell the road how great they are before the road meets the rubber.
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# 20 March 2010 at 1:56 am

corsair said:
SD & KarinBigShotEgo
What thr f*ck does a robot know about baseball? If you’re talking about bearings or gear ratios I might listen but baseball?
It’s time for both of you to bow that ass (exhaust manifold) down in worship to the baseball gods…the New York Yankees… BIIIIITTTTTCCCCCHHHHHEEEEEESSSSSSS.
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Joe Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
@corsair, Robots know a LOT about baseball. Ever seen a pitching machine?
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# 20 March 2010 at 9:04 am

je said:
Rule #1…be weary of 99.9999% of all self-professed experts…especially those that try and sell you something, and need to tout their “accomplishments”….
ABSOLUTELY. The slime-ball slipping into the US of late is David Schirmer who looks to be running from his responsibilities in Australia and trying to suck in people in the US of A. I doubt that anything that guy sells is any of his material, just repackaged like all these sharks. I also doubt that he will take any responsibility for it when things go wrong. Thats his track record and what better way to avoid responsibility than to skip the country.
BEWARE FOLKS, THIS GUY HAS A VERY SHADY TRACK RECORD DOWN UNDER.
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Cletus Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
@je, You probably meant to post under one of the David Schirmer posts, right? ‘Cuz this one’s about Frank Kern. At the top of the page, you’ll find a link that says, “David Schirmer.” Click on that, and you’re in business. Good luck!
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ono Reply:
March 21st, 2010 at 1:06 am
Nope it was meant for whoever can read. Good advice and thanks for sharing. Shitface claims to be an expert at many things but the only thing he has experted so far is taking peoples money. The rest well we’ll leave that to his God shall we.
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Cletus Reply:
March 21st, 2010 at 2:01 am
@ono, you’re welcome, my pleasure, glad to be of help. So many times people don’t take the time to offer help or assistance to their fellow commenters, but not me. I like to give back whenever possible. Some people even call it “paying it forward.” Either way, it feels rewarding to help a commenting brother (or sister) in need. FYI, I’ve got the navigation on this blog down pat and know it like the back of my kitchen sink. If you need any other tips, just let me know and I’ll be happy to point you around here to just the right department. Also, and here’s another tip, don’t forget to capitalize the first letter in your name. I don’t mind at all myself, but there are several grammar/english sticklers here who tear people to shreds over much less, believe it or not. Don’t let that make you afraid to comment though. Most of the regulars here can overlook a typo or two without even batting an eyelash. Good luck!
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anal Reply:
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:54 pm
@je, Has the goof-ball himself been here?
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je Reply:
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:58 pm
You’d have to ask ono. I’ve been on holiday in Jamaica drinking rum and chasing women around the beach. I should be back to interjecting Schirmer comments into unrelated posts once I get all the sand out of my thong.
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# 20 March 2010 at 3:34 pm

Fucking Shit said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Dude…what the fuck?!
Looks like you got hacked. Your purchase links go to a Rick Astley video on YouTube!
You might want to fix that if you’re looking to make your affiliate commissions, dumbass!
Otherwise, I’ll buy straight from the man himself. Loser!
LOSER!! ::   -14
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ROTFLMAO Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
@Fucking Shit: YOU’RE the dumbass. You were just RICK ROLLED and you didn’t even know it. And you aren’t going to “buy straight from the man himself.” You couldn’t even afford to buy that hogwash. You’re too stupid. Loser!
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Fucking Shit Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
@ROTFLMAO,
No…YOU were just rickrolled. My genius fucking plan worked!
Guess the sarcasm detection unit is malfunctioning tonight.
Too sad.
However, you are correct in your assumption that I am a loser, so I commend you for that.
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Fork Face Reply:
March 21st, 2010 at 12:34 am
@Fucking Shit, If I was Rick Rolled, where was the Rick, and where was the Roll? Case closed for lack of evidence.
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# 20 March 2010 at 5:01 pm

spoonfaceboy said:
Wait a sec … is Frank Kern the charming (gag) guy with the dishwater blonde golden locks or is he the singing redhead?
‘Cuz, I think I bought some finger healing health lotion/balm from the redhead a while back. I had these seriously large white canker sores on the inside of my bottom lip. (And by lip I mean penis.)
I vigorously applied the lotion religiously to the affected area. Or, was it, I religiously applied the lotion vigorously? Sorry. Don’t remember.
In any event, not only did the lotion not work, it actually promoted the spread of the gangrenous ulcer. And, one of the lotion’s (unadvertised) side effects turned by fucking face into a spoon!
Eventually I had surgery to remove a portion of my, err … lip. Unfortunately there’s nothing to be done for my face.
*Disclaimer – I am an effing tard. My results are atypical even for most effing tards.
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# 20 March 2010 at 8:50 pm

spoonfaceboy said:
Just to get this of my chest — anybody who tells you you can make a lot of money without doing a lot of hard work:
A) Already made money doing something prior to whatever she’s doing now and now does nothing except a bit of due diligence and some check signing/investing between dry martinis. (There’s still hard work to be done, they’re just paying others to do it.)
B) Is selling you a load of shit so they can join the guys and dolls in A).
Everybody over the age of twenty-five should have been dicked over at least once by a lair and should know this.
Remember Full Metal Jacket? When the big guy, who shouldn’t have been in the military in the first place, didn’t lock his locker? The drill sergeant kicked his big butt for not locking his stuff up and lectured him to boot. Or was that, kicked his big butt with a boot and lectured him? Sorry. Don’t remember.
In any event, there’s a lesson there even effin tards like me can learn.
Sure these internet marketing guys can use NLP techniques or deck themselves in all white in their videos and conferences. They can use any number of tried and true hypnotic methods to get you whipped into an emotional frenzy. They’re free to study the human psyche and parlor tricks all they want. They can even try to use them. Just like the countless preachers, teachers, leaders, salesmen before them.
It’s up to us to use reason and logic to defy and discredit their claims.
It’s up to us to ask for real proof.
It’s up to us to deny our selfish materialistic nature and come to terms with the fact that success requires real hard damb work.
It’s up to us to lock our foot lockers and stay away from jelly doughnuts.
Oh yeah, and, as you read this reply you felt stronger and smarter and you completely digested the poorly written information within it as you envision me dancing around in white long underwear sprinkling your head with magic fairy dust that enables your bowels to spin gold from carbohydrates so you shit gold and never get fat.
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Fork Face Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
@spoonfaceboy, very poetic. Also, slightly insane, but in a good way. Now we must warn the others, or face the music. Or maybe that’s warn the music or face the others. Guess I’d better get back to listening to my Tony Robbins tapes and eating licorice.
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stoic Reply:
March 20th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
@spoonfaceboy,
Funny. I also remember how the big guy flipped out in the end and responded to his drill sergeant.
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MazeMan Reply:
March 21st, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Full Metal Jacket- Yeah, the first half of that movie (bootcamp) always sucks me in no matter how many times I have seen it. ;-)
The “big guy” character’s name: Leonard Lawrence aka “Pvt. Pyle”
Drill Sergeant: Gunnery Sergeant Hartman
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Were you born a fat, slimy, scumbag puke piece o’ sh*t, Private Pyle, or did you have to work on it?
Now we return you to your regularly scheduled program…
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stoic Reply:
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:48 pm
@MazeMan,
The second half wasn’t bad either. Kubrick was an artist and could teach these dodgy salesmen a thing or two about manipulating the emotions for a desired effect.
http://www.collativelearning.com/FMJ%20contents.html
(apologies for the tangent, but it was too good to pass up)
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# 20 March 2010 at 9:37 pm

wow said:
best rick roll of all time
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# 21 March 2010 at 9:06 am

Festering Soiree said:
Question: Has Frank (Irwin) Kern been complying with the FTC consent he previously signed??
http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/dojsweep/031014k4globalstp.pdf
Specifically: has every affiliate/vendor/partner/outsourcee/employee that Frank has launched with/partnered with in the past few years gotten the notification required by this document and signed off on it?
It clearly says in the above:
“Pargrph X of the Order requires the Defendants to provide a copy ofthe following summary of the Conduct Prohibitions contained in the Order to each offcer and director, each individual serving in a management capacity, all employees and third-par contractors involved in responding to consumer complaints or inquiries, and all sales personnel, whether designated as employees, consultants, independent contractors or otherwise, for any business that any Defendant directly or indirectly manages, controls, or has a majority ownership interest in, that is engaged in the sale or distrbution of any business opportunity or business development aid, or assisting others engaged in these activities. The Order also requires the Defendants to obtain a signed and dated acknowledgment of receipt ofthe sumary to each person or entity to whom they provide it.”
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 22 March 2010 at 12:02 am

advancedNoob said:
one of the bestiest rickroll of all times.
The saddest part is that a whole bunch of little clones are popping up all over the place…all of them peddling crap for more than it’s worth…for example:
George brown – launched traffic ultimatum for $200…and guess what? the guy claimed that he’d been developing this system for months.
Okay, but then consider that he launched ANOTHER product only months back….so essentially he’s just been making his money creating products to launch one after another…how sick is that???
This is so disgusting, it’s not even funny!
At least Kern ‘SEEMS’ to try to do what he’s teaching, but these other guys are teaching stuff they don’t do themselves…EVER!
Is there no way to stop this? FTC?
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# 22 March 2010 at 1:01 am

None said:
I almost bought it for a minute.
Great post.
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# 22 March 2010 at 11:07 am

SweetDickJames said:
I was walking down the street, and a copy of List Control Module 1 fell off the truck…
I have to say, I’m impressed with this product. Is it worth whatever Frankie is charging? No way! But I managed to watch a copy over my room-mate’s shoulder. Or did I just say a copy fell off the truck? Oh my! Just trust me when I say Frankie has some good material, but no way is it worth whatever he’s charging.
How much is it worth? About $50.95 Yeah… that’s a fair price.
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Nipper Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
I’d say it’s worth USD $9.95. VERY basic and rudimentary. You could learn all that stuff for a FRACTION of the price, and I do mean a FRACTION. There is NOTHING revolutionary or surprising there.
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BeingNegativeIsNotHealthy Reply:
April 2nd, 2010 at 3:29 pm
@SweetDickJames,
Module 2 is even better. Is it worth it?
Dude, if ONE thing you learn makes you $2K, and that’s easy to do.. then yes it is. You can make $2K in 30 minutes of work with the 4 day cash machine bonus alone. You’d have to be an idiot not to make that work.
PLUS you get the event in San Diego.
Y’all are cheap.
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Barry Reply:
April 2nd, 2010 at 3:49 pm
@BeingNegativeIsNotHealthy, Are you Frank Kern or his bot?
Nice promo, dude.
“Y’all are cheap” No, “us’all” are just NOT STUPID.
Sorry, but the bullshit market is just plain oversaturated. Don’t your numbers reflect that?
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# 24 March 2010 at 10:35 pm

hrm said:
Q: What do you get when you take away Irwin Kern’s:
- Trimmed beard
- Surfer dude hair
- Laid back “hey I’m just like you bro” informal drop-out contrived presence
A: This guy http://www.sixfigureincome.com/profiles/KernFrank.html
Another average-joe car salesman trying to hawk re-hashed bullshit
Add 50lbs, 3 cups of coffee and a Dry Erase Board to that, and you get Perry Belcher.
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Nipper Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Don’t forget the hair dye (for both of them). Although your Belcher numbers seem way too conservative. Double that.
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Kern can't surf or play guitar Reply:
April 9th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
@hrm, this is TOO GOOD! SD, this would look GREAT as a photo smack dab at the top of a Kern post. (And he would HATE it) The Internet is FOREVER!!!
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# 25 March 2010 at 2:06 pm
» Hardly Software said:
[...] Frank Kern [...]
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# 31 March 2010 at 5:31 am

BeingNegativeIsNotHealthy said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I have a solid online business. I make a living off of it.
This would not be possible without Jeff Walker and Frank Kern. Franks stuff makes me cash every time I use it.
I even use tips from Deiss and Belcher to success. I used one thing off their total access club and did a $40K launch combining it with stuff from Kern and Walker.
And this is all in a small, info based, non money product niche.
I think this website and many commenters have not actually tried to use the materials from these gurus.
Don’t want to pay the money? Fine. Find a torrent. Then, actually work your butt off to make it work. It does.
These guys gave me a life and a profitable, honest home biz.
I find Salty and many commenters to be sad little folk.
C’mon… give it a try… make it happen.
If you spend a tenth of the time you spend panning people and put that energy into something positive, you’d be super successful.
Kern’s 4 day cash machine alone makes me loads of cash every time I use it.
I really doubt this article is true… who knows? Just saying why be so negative?
LOSER!! ::   -4
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Lance Reply:
April 2nd, 2010 at 3:41 pm
That’s a typical rationale, but you are still supporting and endorsing at least one convicted felon and another who was the subject of a more than justified FTC consent action. That means there were VICTIMS (just not you).
We’ve seen it here in the comments before, and it’s always, “Well, that’s their business, I just know I like what they say.” That translates to, “the end justifies the means.”
When someone comes here and anonymously writes an essay in universal support of these guys, there is usually a reason for it, and that reason often equates to some connection (or desired connection) to them.
Ethics are one thing that should never be flexible.
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_cartman_ Reply:
April 2nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm
@BeingNegativeIsNotHealthy,
“I find Salty and many commenters to be sad little folk.”
hmmmm….using the handle “being negative is not healthy”, and then calling commentators “sad little folk” ….
nuff said….
next…..
WINNER!! ::   +8
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208-577-6210 Reply:
April 3rd, 2010 at 9:30 am
@BeingNegativeIsNotHealthy,
I’d agree that pessimism and endless negativity is likely to sour the mind, and I’d certainly have a hard time calling it ‘healthy’, but is that what’s really going on here?
Perhaps you should consider that pig-headed optimism and denial are just as unhealthy? Looking at the world through rose-tinted glasses doesn’t make it so. The problem with people who toss phrases like ‘negativity’ around so lightly is that their views are so absolute – you only see in black and white. You can’t see, for instance, that there’s a difference between “seeing the best in people/being a positive person” and being a stubbornly deluded, gullible moron who’ll actually refuse to hear the truth if it doesn’t fit with his/her ‘positive’ image.
It’s possible to be highly successful and yet still acknowledge that sometimes things ARE negative! There’s just no getting around the fact that pirated software = bad. Selmedica = bad. It’s not ‘negative’, it’s ‘true’! And if you had any backbone at all, it’s the truth you’d be interested in, rather than the most ‘positive’ side of the story. But I’m sure you’ll ignore this and go on making life easy on yourself..
WINNER!! ::   +8
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@LiarCrusher Reply:
April 24th, 2010 at 1:47 am
@208-577-6210
Being negative is NOT healthy…expressing the Truth IS!!!
LC
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# 2 April 2010 at 3:28 pm

sour mash n tart picklez said:
@Lance “When someone comes here and anonymously writes an essay in universal support of these guys, there is usually a reason for it, and that reason often equates to some connection (or desired connection) to them.”
You hit it on the bullseye. I’m so tickled by these little “testiMOANials” of “Hey the con guy’s stuff works, if it wasn’t for him I wouldn’t be here, so what if he scammed little old ladies and ran over small children in his SUV? At least I’ve learned how to do business from a professional thief and conman!”
I mean who are we trying to kid here?
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# 3 April 2010 at 6:46 am

Chris said:
Hey SD,
Sorry… this will be a little long. I know, because I already wrote it and posted it at another site on 3-26-2010.
I later found Salty Droid and was just reading through the posts about Russell Brunson. I made my own decision after reading through his very first sales letter that he was a scumbag and unsubscribed. By the way, not sure of your thoughts on Tony Robbins — I like him — but he has to regret letting Russell Brunson come to Fiji and then have this Brunson schmuck use that as a Tony Robbins endorsement forever, don’t you think?
Anyway, saw you were taking a vote for next target and I voted Jeff Walker. Here’s why…
***************
Jeff Walker of Product Launch Formula fame uses other people’s expensive courses to make affiliate sales for himself using those very same expensive courses as “his” bonuses. (Let that sink in)
Here’s how it works: (he’s done it twice in 10 days — I’ve saved his “bonus offer” emails if the moderator here needs to see them)
Okay, here’s what he does:
1) Someone announces a big product launch
2) Of course, all the affiliate partners then try to get you to buy through their link
3) Here’s Jeff’s filthy trick: Jeff sends an email to his list proclaiming how AWKWARD it is for him that this new launch is happening… because HE, TOO was just about to launch HIS OWN (very similar) COURSE. As I said, he’s done this twice in 10 days: He did this with Frank Kern’s List Control on March 15th and he did it today with Brendon Burchard’s “Become an Expert / Experts Academy” launch.
4) So what Jeff does is say: (check out how SLEAZY this guy is) “if you buy through my link you’ll get 2 courses instead of one. But (and here’s the other part of the trick) “I won’t release my bonus training course until AFTER the training on the regular course is complete (“so as not to overwhelm you with too much content”, he says. (how noble… and how convenient for Jeff)
Plus:
5) Jeff says, “I’m going through Frank’s course myself and taking notes so you’ll get those notes, TOO.” (Meantime, he’s using Frank’s course to build his own course which is then the bonus).
6) 10 days later, he sent the exact same email message with the exact same bonus offer (“2 courses for the price of 1 plus my own personal course notes”) only this time it coincided with Brendon’s course on how to become an expert (Amazingly, Jeff Walker was about to (AWKWARD) release his own “how to become a guru”).
Do you see how incredibly, infinitesimally small the chance is that Jeff Walker could have simultaneously developed SO MANY DIFFERENT courses — remember he’s also preparing for a launch of his own course — yet not released ANY of them only to have some of his affiliate partners beat him to the punch? He apparently even developed them in the exact same order.
Seems like STEALING in every way — from Frank Kern, from Brendon Burchard, and from the people who buy through his link who inadvertently pay for this thief to use their money to pay for his attendance at these real guru’s courses. Which he then pirates as his own course content as your bonus.
WOW!
By the way, as I said, I have the emails from this jerk if the moderator of THIS site wants to see this guy’s masterful chicanery in action before posting my comment.
***************************************************************************
So that was my post.
Anyway SD, I also emailed Jeff Walker a couple days before I posted this telling him it looked sleazy, but that I’d give him the benefit of the doubt and wait for an explanation… but none came.
HERE’S THE KICKER… I’ve only been looking at Internet Marketing courses (haven’t bought any) since February of this year. Andy Jenkins’ was the first one I was bombarded about and that was early February. However, looking at Salty Droid’s hammering of Frank Kern (I truly had no idea he was a fraud) and Andy Jenkins… now combined with my two months of being-on-the-receiving-end of about 15 more “Syndicate” launches (which translates to (NO EXAGGERATION INTENDED) — about 150 syndicate-incestual cross-promotions, I realize that whole group is filthy. AND NOW I HAVE TO WONDER… Is Jeff Walker the thief or are they all in on it together? Are they “testing” a new way to sell bonuses?
I won’t clog your inbox with Jeff Walker’s emails, but I saved them if you decide you want them. I suppose he needs to win (LOSE) your vote first.
Here’s hoping,
Chris
WINNER!! ::   +14
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SamIamNot Reply:
April 8th, 2010 at 7:54 am
@Chris,
Jeff Walker has plenty of content (the value or lack of it you can decide).
Doesn’t take much to repackage for a course on being a guru etc.
The delay is because Walker is trying to improve his stick rate as an affiliate. No bonus if the person buys through his affiliate link and then gets a refund. The person waits to get the bonus, Walker gets his affiliate commission because the refund date has passed.
Crappy recycled emails? Sure. Recycled content? You bet.
Waiting to take notes in order to create a new product from scratch? No.
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Chris Reply:
April 8th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
@SamIamNot, You make some valid points, but you leave off the “timing” aspect of it.
In other words, we all have content. Anybody who’s ever bought a book or tapes or a course has content. But how many of us have repackaged all that content into a course that we can sell for millions of dollars — because, as I’m sure you know, Jeff Walker boasts in every P.S. that “my last nine launches have all done more than a million dollars”.
Jeff Walker is the self-described “Product Launch Guy” but now to believe his B.S., you’d have to believe he has 3 courses in the works… all ready to be released… within 10 days of each other… including 2 in areas he’s never done a course on before. (He must have the WORST TIMING in IM history!)
Then, to believe his bonuses, you’d have to believe HE’S GIVING THE BIGGEST DISCOUNT IN THE HISTORY OF ONLINE MARKETING — perhaps 90% OFF. Because instead of a million dollars for EACH of his two courses (again, remember, he “only does million dollar or multi-million dollar launches”), he’s now willing to take both of those courses and give them to you FOR FREE… as bonuses!
And he’ll take, not 2 million or 3 million for the two courses, but perhaps $200,000 in affiliate commissions… if that. After all, Jeff JOHNSON (not Walker) wins all those contests by a landslide and he only makes $300,000 or so when he does. Everyone else makes far less.
But let me put it another way… (I’ll be the cheating scumbag Jeff Walker)…
Hi List of Mine,
This is really AWKWARD for me.
As you know, Gary Halbert has just released the most successful sales letter in mail-order history and, TODAY, is opening his “The Coat of Arms Sales Letter Breakdown” Coaching Program where he’ll break down every sentence and every intent and every REASON WHY and every aspect of that incredible promotion.
Here’s what’s AWKWARD…
I, Jeff Walker, was about to release my own “The Coat of Arms Sales Letter Breakdown” Coaching Program. But, since Gary’s a friend of mine, here’s what I’ll do. (I racked my brain for you)…
If you’ll buy through my link, not only will you get Gary’s “The Coat of Arms” Coaching Program, but you’ll also get mine. In other words, you’ll
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Chris Reply:
April 8th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
(Sorry, accidentally hit submit) I’ll continue here… (for SamIAmNot)
If you’ll buy through my link, not only will you get Gary’s “The Coat of Arms” Coaching Program, but you’ll also get mine. In other words, you’ll get 2 COURSES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE. Plus, I’m personally taking Gary’s course, so you’ll get my notes, too.
BUT… I won’t release my course until after I complete Gary’s… so as not to overwhelm you with content.
So, again, you only get this if you buy through my link.
Sincerely,
Jeff Walker
Then… JUST 10 DAYS LATER…
Hi List,
This is AWKWARD for me.
As you know, Jay Abraham is launching his famous “Icy Hot Coaching Program” today where he breaks down his entire campaign which took Icy Hot from $800,000 in sales to $13 Million in just 18 months.
Here’s why it’s awkward…
I, Jeff Walker, was about to release my own “Icy Hot Coaching Program”. But since Jay’s a friend of mine, here’s what I’ll do.
2 for 1 plus notes, blah, blah, blah.
Clear enough, Sam???
WINNER!! ::   +7
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RH Reply:
April 8th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
@Chris, very funny. I never met gary halbert or for that matter of course claude hopkins but i’m certain they would be disgusted with what constitutes ‘reasons why advertising’ by these IM d-bags.
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banana Reply:
April 8th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
@RH, Gary Halbert was in prison for fraudulent activity too. Coming from the Internet community, you are lead to believe that Gary Halbert was an innocent saint, but it seems to be protocol for any “big guru” marketer/copywriter to have a history of being accused of fraud or illegal behavior.
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Frank Reply:
April 8th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
I agree 100% with Chris’ analysis. I really can’t see it any other way. In fact, I formally reverse my previous vote from Joe Vitale and then Jeff Walker to Jeff Walker and then Joe Vitale because of this.
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# 7 April 2010 at 4:53 pm

kern can't surf or play guitar said:
@advancedNoob, just checking in… get that refund yet? 30 days is just about up for List Control. Use that $1997 on another (FREE) course.
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REFUND NOW NOW NOW Reply:
April 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
@kern can’t surf or play guitar, KERN’S 30 DAYS ARE UP! All Sheep get your refunds and use it for another FREE course. Strike Back SHEEP!
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# 15 April 2010 at 8:56 pm

Irwin Kern's Nemesis said:
hrm said:
Q: What do you get when you take away Irwin Kern’s:
- Trimmed beard
- Surfer dude hair
- Laid back “hey I’m just like you bro” informal drop-out contrived presence
A: This guy http://www.sixfigureincome.com/profiles/KernFrank.html
Another average-joe car salesman trying to hawk re-hashed bullshit
Add 50lbs, 3 cups of coffee and a Dry Erase Board to that, and you get Perry Belcher.
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@LiarCrusher Reply:
April 24th, 2010 at 1:45 am
@Irwin Kern’s Nemesis
Wow, Dude! Good digging! That picture alone is priceless…what a toad…now I see why he hides behind the beard…Ewww…
How he went from that dorksucker portrait to thinking he is the Messiah is beyond me…I say, let’s stop playing into it!!
LC
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Irwin Kern's Nemesis Reply:
April 25th, 2010 at 12:25 am
@@LiarCrusher, Gracias, Amigo! hrm deserves the credit for posting this…I just like to make sure everyone gets to see it so I repost it from time to time…it’s very revealing and I KNOW Irwin hates that it’s out there.
Kind of hard to pull off that whole “Mysterious Stranger” vibe without the hair extensions and highlights and beard and bare feet. Based on hrm’s link here, Irwin Kern’s next video should be “Gomer Pyle” or “Earnest Goes To La Jolla”.
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# 22 April 2010 at 5:03 pm

Irwin said:
Kern’s website now says he has “retired from teaching Internet Marketing.”
http://www.masscontrolsite.com/
My guess is, he’s going to re-invent himself as some sort of Tony Robbins motivational speaker.
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Larry Reply:
April 23rd, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Who that is young and “successful” in business simply “retires” and walks away from a high income?
There is certainly more to this story…
Like maybe his last launch might have been a huge disaster which scores of refunds.
Or maybe something else…
If anyone knows anything, post the anonymous info here.
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Retardedment Reply:
April 24th, 2010 at 12:24 am
@Larry, The retirements by goo-roos is an attempt to hide from the FTC. No one wants to become the next Kevin Trudeau.
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9EVHG9G0.htm
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# 23 April 2010 at 1:29 pm

LiarCrusher said:
@Irwin
Yep, see…I mentioned that on SD’s Pissy Plotless Plotting (Frank Kern Post)…I think he is going for the Resurrection thing,too…hopefully he won’t get Revived!
My gut tells me that the FTC may have forced his hand or given him and ultimatum, but I also suspect he may be in Rio now (and for the rest of his life) sipping Mai Tai’s on a beach WITH YOUR HARD-EARNED MONEY!!).
Either he made a run for it, or the FTC finally has dirt and they are in Fry mode…that is why I renamed him Frank Burn (in hell)…something is going on, I can feel it…whether he is on the lam or in the clink, something is going on…he won’t stay down…that D-Bag actually thinks he is smarter than other people because he’s a thief! WTF??!! He just has less scruples (owning none himself)
@Walt
ALL those guys started this whole thing up together. No, they didn’t amount to a hill of beans aggregately before deciding to get into IM. That is why they are circle jerks…get it…they all catch the “shooting cream” from each others lists and consume it as their own! If that sounds disgusting, it is a lot cleaner than what they actually do to the people they swindle…you know, the ones who have lost their homes and families going into debt to buy their drivel. David DeAngelo a.k.a. Eben Pagen (Hunh?!! if everyone knows you’re David, why be Eben?!! Hello!!) was a guy who wante dot sell some books…this whole guru thing all started with them being in the same room and forging the Rings out of Lord-of-the-Ding(leberries) Frank Kern’s shitfest of an idea to be a money-extractor of the people and having the nerve to don the white shirted Messiah things almost makes fireballs shoot out of my eyes. I confess. I want a piece of that guy…or maybe to make sure he never gets a piece again! They riffed on Anthony Robbins and Frank took a gamble and it paid off, he hit the mother load and his coal black heart woke up and said, “Hey, there are innocent people to rob and lie to…let’s get my friends in on this and MLM it to the rich house…then we’ll leave the country.”
Your money is your voice, people…you Voted to give Frank Kern $20 million in hours? WTF??!!! HE is LIVING in Rio in a mansion with servants right now that you are paying for while you struggle to pay your rent! He calls you sheep behind you back…they all do…a former insider leaked it and I read it before they hushed him up…I know what I saw…”All they do is say Buy This and you do…and they laugh at you and refer to you in the most vile ways.” I saw it, folks. I believe it. It fits.
Let’s all pray the scumbag winds up getting his “just desserts” Karma in the Federal Penn…being someone else’s Beatch!
He doesn’t deserve Rio, he deserves Reemed!
Just because he puts on a white shirt doesn’t mean he isn’t Hitler! SEE Through the mask!! PLEASE! Never forget for a moment who he really is.
Does anybody know Frank Kern’s real backstory? If you don’t, I’m happy to compile it for you…heck, somebody needs to go start at the beginning…the E! True La Jolla Story!! Who do we know in Montana who can do some digging (or was it Colorado…)?
Once you start to look at the diagram of how these guys are interconnected (you know they all live in La Jolla right?), the truth will be self-evident…
No terms explains it better than our beloved SD: Circle Jerks…and we are the ones getting sprayed after they have “had their fun”
LC
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# 23 April 2010 at 5:57 pm

Liar Crusher said:
Another bright spot is that Kern has been associated with working for Tony Robbins on a big, fat consulting basis…fucking with his computer system…perhaps installing pirated software? Who will know unless they go investigate and turn those dumbass clients of his upside down. Quite a fucking mess, Kern!!!
So, now Tony Robbins has the dubious honor of having someone who pirated software fuck around with the computer systems and operations his Whole Empire is founded on. Way to go…so much for believing what some freaky dickface tells you, huh Tony?
I hope all of those guys, in the interest of saving their own asses, will distance themselves from him like sponsors of Tiger Woods!!
The Feds might decide to go subpeona all the high-falutin’ $100,000 consulting clients Kern has jerked off in order to make sure he didn’t place pirated software on their systems. Fuck, yes, I hope they do it. If I were a Fed, that’s how I’d be thinkin’ (Maybe I’ll send them an anonymous note). In truth, if you WERE a Fed, there is no way you would or could know if Kern had installed pirated software on anybody’s system without investigating that system and causing all sorts of inconvenience for the clients who payed that douchebag Kern so much money…serves them all right!!
Due to the nature of what he is now accused of, all his clients could become accessories…or at least guilty of hosting pirated software…neither is a walk in the park!!
Bad news, Dumbass!!
The FTC has been on Kern’s heels for years, likely just waiting for some hard evidence (I would have been watching him 24/7 for it, if I were them), and now they actually have something they can fry him with…
Hence Frank’s new moniker in the FTC’s honor: Frank Burn (in hell)
Burn, Baby, Burn!!
I am just LMAO over the grief the FTC is going to be giving Kern’s $100,000-a-pop consulting clients – like Tony Robbins – who will now be seen as “getting serviced by a true douchebag.” About time!!!! How many more, and with whom Kern shared…well, this could crack the whole circle open, folks, so let’s keep our fingers crossed. You know they always share their seed with each other, and I’ll bet the FTC can show probably cause that they may have done so with each other and their clients.
Anybody interested in some fresh real estate in La Jolla and Cardiff?
Might be like buying Aleister Crowley’s old place, but hey, it is better than those douchebags sitting fat and pretty on your money!!
I am digging this “shared” link back to the real (dickface…don’t believe me, see for yourself!) Frank Kern, so I am happy to share it also, with a nod to @Irwin Kern’s Nemesis, of course…
Now at “6-figure Douchebag”…
http://www.sixfigureincome.com/profiles/KernFrank.html
LC
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# 27 April 2010 at 2:43 pm
» This is relevent to my interests said:
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# 7 May 2010 at 5:44 pm

Tracy said:
I just found your site for the first time today thanks to finally looking into one of the people you’ve written about. I get tons of emails from these people and never did much but I assumed there was some scam to be had and decided to search them out today. I have spent a lot of time reading your articles because not only are they informative, I love your use of descriptive terms. I will be sure to keep up with your postings, they are truly awesome.
  +3
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# 20 May 2010 at 1:51 pm
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# 6 August 2010 at 7:11 pm
» The Internet Marketing Syndicate said:
[...] :: from the last “module” of List Control :: is Frank Kern’s own description of The Syndicate.  It’s inexplicably packaged as [...]
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# 12 August 2010 at 5:08 am

Dean Rankin said:
The party is over here http://saltydroid.info/the-internet-marketing-syndicate/
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# 13 August 2010 at 11:23 pm
» Frank Kern’s Traitor Union said:
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# 18 August 2010 at 5:59 am
Ryan Deiss :: Perpetual Traffic Accident « Temp Stuff said:
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# 28 September 2010 at 9:07 pm

YOUR FUCKIN' FRIEND said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I Think Why You Write So Many Stupid Reviews On Money Making Programs And Internet Marketers Is That You Tried It Yourself And Failed. I Think Your Just A Little Bitter About It. Maybe…Just Maybe If You Were A Little Bit Nicer, People Just Might Like You A Little More! But, Wait You Hid Behind A Dumbass Robot Hoping No One Will Know Your Real Name…You Are Sooo Lame!! I Have An Idea. If You Delete This Comment, That Means You Are A pussy And You Tried Internet Marketing Before And Failed. Then I Will Mail Out This To Everyone! If You Keep It, I Will Read You Blog Everyday For The Next Month. But…Let’s Be Real Here…You Can’t Stand Being Made Fun Of Because Your Afraid! Are Your Feelings Hurt? You Are One Of The Biggest Babies Online! YOU NEED A LIFE…Maybe You Need To Start Making Some Real Money, You Stupid Ass Wipe! So Take It From Me, Frank Kern, “You ARE A FUCKIN’ DIP SHIT, THAT COULDN’T MAKE A CENT ONLINE EVEN IF YOU TRIED.” Fuck You And Far Well. Mother Fucker!!!
LOSER!! ::   -8
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# 7 October 2010 at 11:21 pm

Vic Ferrari said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
What an arrogant self important foul mouthed prick you are. I wouldn’t put one red cent in your pocket if you had a cure for stupidity.
Vic
LOSER!! ::   -4
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Dale Reply:
April 11th, 2011 at 2:40 am
@Vic Ferrari, Sorry, but there’s no cure for your stupidity. There’s really nothing you can say in defense of a douchebag that doesn’t make you look like a douchebag, douchebag.
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SD Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
@Vic Ferrari ::
One of the many differences between Irwin F. Kern and The Salty Droid is that I won’t tell you that your stupidity can be cured.
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SD Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:21 am
@SD ::
oh snap! good one me!
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# 10 April 2011 at 5:45 am

Vern said:
“Parasite” describes Kern (and Dale) quite accurately. The whole syndicate, create a self-loathing herd, mesmerize them with your personality, then suck their life savings out of them with high priced “you’re an idiot if you don’t buy this” info products, has got to be revealed for what it is.
Predation.
“… The Syndicate :: where prices and social value could be fixed without reference to reality.”
This is what really pisses me off. No-one is trying to create the best product anymore; creativity and innovation are gone. But why would it exist when they (the Sindicate) have decided, as a group, to dispense with competition. I guess competing with eachother is too much work.
Create the most value at the best price? Fuck that! Let’s just work together, create feel-good junk products, and use Cialdini’s 6 Weapons Of Influence to extract as much money as possible from our combined (“idiot”) customer lists.
This is the agenda of the sindicate, and they have reduced it to such a science now it is absurd the imbalance of social value to price. The products become progressively more worthless and yet somehow more costly.
Given the damage these guys wreak I’m surprised the FTC and Atty’s General aren’t all over this. These pricks belong in jail!
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# 13 April 2011 at 2:34 am

_cartman_ said:
Anybody recognize this home?
http://www.jongranston.com/blog/listings/dolphin
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3527/5672dolphinplace.jpg
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Dale Reply:
July 1st, 2011 at 3:28 am
@_cartman_, Must be from “rent-a-backdrop,” huh?
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SD Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:19 am
@_cartman_ ::
I looked into this … far as I can tell … he’s never been on the paperwork for that house.
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_cartman_ Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
@SD, @Dale,
You are both correct [[but I surmise the rent-a-backdrop was actually pro bozo [[that means free]] @Dale]]!
According to online records the last sale took place in 2001, it is a rental unit managed by psplatinum [[Property management/brokerage company]]. Brett Combs [[P]], Dane Soderberg [[VP]].
Dane Soderberg, VP-Broker Associate
dane@ljplatinum.com
7660 Fay Ave Suite H La Jolla, CA 92037
http://www.ljplatinum.com
http://www.luxurylajolla.com/
Recognize the address
Smith Kern Consulting, LLC.
Secret Headquarters, Inc dba Infomillionaire
7660 Fay Avenue. H307. La Jolla. CA,92037. US
The VP of psplatinum and Kern rent a UPS store mail box. [[I have dreams of renting one of those]].
The UPS Store # 0163
7660-H FAY AVE
LA JOLLA, CA 92037-4843 – USA
Pack & Ship Promise Location*
Phone: (858)454-3131
store0163@theupsstore.com
President of psplatinum Brett Combs
http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp?License_id=01347012
Now the other address leads to a bunch of other companies including “Treehouse media group” [[fictitious entity]]
http://www.treehousemg.com/
Business Development……”Brett Combs”….
Director of operations….”Jill Howard”….
Now back [[about a year ago]] when I was looking into a Kern address [[the problem is I can't recall where I obtained it]], who should pop up on a “search”….”Jill Howard”….now if only I could find that address again…
If anyone has some info my name [[underscores and all]] at universalmine DOT com
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# 30 June 2011 at 11:03 pm

Leah said:
LIST CONTROL is the FREE Bonus that comes with this $997 package or 2 x $456 but he did NOT even USE one of his own hit METHODS.
He was supposed to offer the payments at $500 each or whatever x 2=$1,000 and then to get the huge responses you tell them if they pay right now, it’s only $750 so they save the $250 and he gets paid right away.
Now lets – Find Opportunity and Inspire Change while it threatens the rest of them. Change is and opportunity and these guru guys always work together for leverage.
I’ve been told several times I should have a Blog like the Salty Droid but never paid attention until now. spydudes dot Net – I lost the login and can’t get back in. See how much help I need? Please?
The timing is right and now can you find the most talented people you know – Experts, Change Agents and Doer’s – Pick 4 or 5 and tell us what to do -put someone in charge and we’ll do all the work all year and see how much it makes and then split the money.
- I’ll push the almost 2 year old domain name to YOU for safekeeping: GuruBulls-xt dot com. The Hosting and autoresponder are paid up for life already. I also have that software (Mako Dominator) If you want, we can use that instead of using WordPress like everyone else. It’s up there where my name is. This is about 100% Human Capital. Money always follows if you don’t spend it on the guru crap!
—————-
Ryan Deiss promoted this – FrankKern…come /Ryan
Yes, Frank! Please Give Me These Eight Bad-Ass Cut And Paste Money Getting Strategies!
Here’s what you get today:
1. Eight “Totally Swipable” Promotional Strategies That Have Made Frank And His High level Clients A Shit Load Of Money.
I’ll be teaching you this over the course of four weeks. Each week you’ll get two of these cut-n-paste type promos where I’ll
Walk you through how they work.
Tell you exactly what to do through each step.
Give you my proven swipe files that have worked like crazy for me.
Show you how to modify them for different business types.
This whole thing is designed so you can watch me show you how it works, tweak the swipe files, hit “send”, and see results.
No theory, no fluff, just down and dirty money-getting promo strategies that kick ass.
But don’t use them by themselves. If you want to really crush it, combine them with…
2. Three Proven Offer Strategies That Shoot Your Profit Per Customer Through The Roof!
Look.
The cut and paste promos I’m giving you are bad-ass. Obviously.
But if you use them to drive customers to the same types of offer strategies you and your competitors have been using, you probably won’t make as much money as you could if you did it all ninja-like.
That’s why I’m giving you three different sales and offer strategies that are specifically designed to make you as much profit per-customer as possible …without being all obnoxious and “salesy”.
The best part is, these are all designed to be “under the radar” …so you can use them over and over again for different promotions …without burning out your list.
See …here’s the deal, your income is directly proportional to the amount of offers you give to the market, right?
Duh.
Well …when you combine my promo strategies with my offer strategies, you can literally make an offer every single day if you want …without burning out your list.
And speaking of lists …you’ll be shocked when you see how bad this next thing kicks your email list’s ass.
You see, the most profitable campaigns I’ve ever run are actually the ones where I used …
3. OFFLINE Promos That Raked In More Cash-Per-Lead Than Anything I’ve Ever Done, EVER. (Including Launches.)
Look …Internet Marketing is OK and all, but if you’re not combining it with offline strategies then you’re probably leaving around 80% of your revenue on the table.
And here’s the thing. Compared to all this complicated “internet stuff”, the offline world is a cakewalk!
Think about it. No worry about a “spam folder”. You get to be way under the radar (so your competition stays clueless). No server crashes. No “Google Slap”. Nothing.
You literally write a letter, make a phone call and your work is done. Pretty sweet!
But do it wrong and you’re HOSED. You can lose your ass. (This is why you never hear anything about the Guru crowd really trying it.)
And if you get it right (which is pretty easy if you know what to do), you can make a mint.
I’ll be giving you my two most profitable offline campaigns ever. One got a 16% response rate of BUYERS …and brought in $218,000.00 from a list of 1,000.
The other got a 36% response rate and it wasn’t even sent in the mail. Once again, that response rate is for buyers …people actually seeing the promo and paying money as a result.
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SD Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:17 am
@Leah ::
um … what?
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Leah Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
@SD,Can you find the most talented people you know – Experts, Change Agents and Doer’s – Pick 4 or 5 and tell us what to do – or put someone in charge and we’ll do all the work all year and see how much it makes and then split the money. – I’ll push the almost 2 year old domain name to YOU for safekeeping: http://gurubullshit.com
That last part of that was just the Ryan Deiss/Frank Kern sales letter. They “SOLD OUT” but they are doing everyone a favor and letting 50 more people in and it’s a miracle because the Webinar that wasn’t recorded is going to play again out of thin air.
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July 15th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
@Leah,
It’s a good thing you typed that again because it was hard to understand the first time you typed it.
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Leah Reply:
July 16th, 2011 at 8:48 am
@what??, Oh Dear Not Again! That happens a lot. I tend to confuse people with spur of the moment ideas.
I came here from another article that referenced this Blog, saw List Control Bonus, remembered that it was a FREE Bonus now and that’s what I was originally posting. That would have made sense.
Instead my brain takes a trip to another planet called http://gurubullshit.com and I thought “wouldn’t it be nice” if SD could run that Blog too? Or, maybe not? I don’t know. If my proposal is off the wall, corrections are in order.
I know experts working together under the SD would be one awesome opportunity. Nobody can argue that point!
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# 14 July 2011 at 11:52 pm

J Thungstrom said:
So SD, I work for a small SEO company in a city where one of these douche bags lives. My boss has drank the kool-aid and tasks me out to “report back” on this and that every time these fuckaroos release a new WSO or information product he buys. I almost puke when I have to do it. Just wanted to thank you for being real in an arena where being real is like sighting a a UFO piloted by a yeti that is landing on the back of the Loch Ness Monster.
Later man
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