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Carlon said:
Droid,
Don’t you think he should just ask the universe to let him out of jail? Who needs bail when he was “The Secret!”
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hrm Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
That will be his first product when he gets out.
“Put in your email for a secret report on how I used the secret to UNLOCK the jail cell from the inside! Learn it now before you take action, you might need it!”
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Hippo Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Rumor Rat is reporting that Josh and Megan Frederickson have been given immunity from prosecution.
Maybe Amy could tell us what kind of testimony we could expect from them?
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anon Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 2:16 am
Nah man, he wasnt THE secret, the dickhead in Australia wants to claim the title of Mr Secret. He has many secrets and the secrets he has is that he is GOD, yes man he IS GOD and YOU DO AS HE SAYS otherwise you have no bloody hope of a life of wealth and happiness. wouldn’t you like to have a happy life like that wanker? Ok thats bloody stupid.
These people should be all locked up because the damage they are causing the public is horrendous. I support a full and formal investigation into all the LIES that these people have inflicted on innocent people to manipulate them to fund their mortgages and the like.
If James Ray cannot pay his bond then he IS NOT WEALTHY in my terms.
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# 5 February 2010 at 8:21 am

Rafael Marquez said:
Actually, methinks this is the law of attraction at work.
Death Ray has a thing for death, so he attracted death. He also had a thing for living behind gates with massive security so he attracted jail. He wanted people to feel homeless and penniless and now he is both. Although I’m sure he’s only penniless on paper, since there’s probably a numbered and anonymous bank account on Grand Cayman with some money in it to pay the lawyers etc.
See, the law of attraction works as Mr. Fire would say.
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Doug Robertson Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
“Actually, methinks this is the law of attraction at work.” Hadn’t thought of it quite that way, but absolutely right! Although I also seriously doubt that he is penniless… yet anyway. Bring on the lawsuits.
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# 5 February 2010 at 9:22 am

Kyle said:
If Ray is so ‘enlightened’ jail shouldn’t bother him at all. Oh wait, yea, right, he isn’t enlightened, he is just a murderer.
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# 5 February 2010 at 9:25 am

Xtina said:
what about James Ray’s biggest fan Kristina Bivins
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,page=47
Ray is trying to cry poverty so he can go broke, and bilk his few followers of every dollar they have in the world by giving it to him
meanwhile he’s got plenty stashed where it can’t be found
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# 5 February 2010 at 9:47 am

Hippo said:
I almost threw up when I heard attorney Brad Brian say that James Ray “is trying to get to the bottom of” what happened.
Honestly, if Ray had a dollar for every time that he or his lawyers used that phrase, he could make bail.
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wondering why Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 11:07 am
I hear ya Hippo and they keep saying he is “trying to get closure” ??? What does he think…. this is just going to go away????
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Hippo Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Anderson Cooper on CNN made a remark the other night about why defendants should not give interviews.
Many of the things they say to justify themselves, simply make the situation worse.
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
But defense lawyers are known for their honesty and integrity… er… something…
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Carlon Reply:
February 8th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Why are you so down on Ray “trying to get to the bottom of what happened”? He and OJ are going to go looking for the “real killers”. And the best part is that they can both do it from jail.
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# 5 February 2010 at 9:49 am

Hippo said:
I have a question for Mr. Droid or anybody with legal expertise:
Regarding the motion for change of venue–how could that possibly be granted?
Usually a change of venue is requested because there is too much local public sentiment about the crime. However, all three victims and the accused were from out-of-state. I don’t think that anybody blames the retreat owners, so what’s the problem with getting a fair trial in Yavapai County?
Are they going to claim that anger against Ray has hurt Sedona’s tourism?
I guess I am not understanding any of this.
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Amy Hall Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
He wants a change of venue because in the area of AZ is very right wing and won’t like his new agey views or killing people. In Yavapai County it’s legal to carry a side arm, just as long as it’s in plain view. I saw holsters and pistols in the grocery store!!! Yes this area has Sedona, but that’s just an anomaly. This area is sooo right wing it’s amazing! And very independent… they are the only state that doesn’t bend to federal pressure, the last state to adopt MLK Jr holiday and the only state that does not observe Daylight Saving Time. His ass is grass there!!!!! He HAS to stay in AZ, if he comes to CA he’ll get off scott free!
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Hippo Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
To Amy:
Thank you for the info. Point taken about the guns–I remember seeing them everywhere in Tombstone.
However, if they’re going to allege that Ray can’t get a fair trial in Arizona, is the “right wing” argument a viable argument? I would not think so.
Sounds like it’s Ray’s own tough luck that he picked a conservative stronghold to pull his shenanigans.
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mirele Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
I think Ray could reasonably argue to move the venue to Phoenix or Tucson so that a larger jury pool can be assembled. However, due to a certain Sheriff Joke and his sidekick County Attorney Candy Andy Thomas, the courts here in Maricopa County (Phoenix) are already too effed up for something like this…
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# 5 February 2010 at 9:56 am

Bryan Neuman said:
Brad Brian said he’s been doing this for 30 years. What, taking blood money and lying out of his ass in an effort to poison the jury pool???
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Yakaru Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Pretty impressive to beg for sympathy for Ray on the grounds that he lost so many of his students and friends in that tragedy. These maniacs keep repeating stuff like that and wondering why they don’t get much sympathy.
It’s a fair point to say that he was prevented by authorities from talking to participants, but it doesn’t explain the report that he said he was going to off to have a shower when two victims were receiving CPR.
Another interesting claim from the witness statements is that he actually did at one point give some clear orders during the ensuing chaos. As the first ambulances appeared coming down the hill he said “Those of you who can walk, get up and go to your rooms now.”
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 11:10 am
That one point is kind of negated by the fact that Liz Neuman was admitted to the hospital as a Jane Doe. He had 9 days to contact my family or visit her in the hospital before she passed and he didn’t do it. And she was friends with him for 7 years.
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Hippo Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 11:44 am
To Bryan:
That right there takes my breath away.
The fact that neither Ray nor his staff could be bothered to contact the hospital and identify Liz Neuman–I think that speaks volumes.
Since Ray claims that he “reached out” to the victims, he will have to show, with specificity, exactly what he did. It doesn’t matter what you say, it matters what you can PROVE.
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Yakaru Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
If he had’ve said something like “I didn’t call because I felt so ashamed” it might come across a bit better.
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colleens brother in law Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
Amen bryan, we are still waiting for, at least, a phone call…all we got was a $2 sympathy card…..Know that your grief is shared by us, and we hope justice is served for us all…..john
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# 5 February 2010 at 10:01 am

wondering why said:
I thought the charge was Manslaughter? Why is Larry King saying it was Negligent Homicide?
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hrm Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Because Larry King is senile.
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# 5 February 2010 at 11:04 am

Jean D. said:
Brad Brian tells Larry King that participants were “looking for balance”,but didn’t Ray say that “Balance is Bogus?” I’m confused. Maybe the lawyers’ attempts to talk to Ray are like the last scene in Psycho when we see Norman Bates in his jail cell completely looney; who wouldn’t hurt a fly.
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wondering why Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Jean-I caught that “balance” thing too and it cracked me up as I thought the same thing..No,JAR thinks ” Balance is Bogus” whatever that means anyway..
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# 5 February 2010 at 12:21 pm

Bryan Neuman said:
2008 Revenue for JRI = $9.4 million
http://www.inc.com/inc5000/2009/company-profile.html?id=200904790
and
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-26-sweat-lodge-self-help-James-Ray_N.htm
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hrm Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
I think a lot of these “gurus” in their making money products are making up bullshit numbers.
Eben Pagan – in all of the “making money” niche seminars and marketing he does – touts about how his dating biz (Double Your Dating) does 20 mil a year.
I’ve seen his sales funnel layout, and even then, I can’t see DYD doing more than 1M/year. Even that seems optimistic. I’ve seen his DYD stuff, and it’s complete garbage. Most people that are into that niche/community laugh at how terrible DYD stuff is.
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anonymous Bosch Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Ha. Eben started out as a student of mine, back in the late 90′s. DYD is utter crap and it’s mostly derivative rip-off shit.
I know for a fact, that one of his most expensive DYD programs is re-written David Deida stuff. I know the guy he hired to “create” and star in the program.
I very much doubt that Eben does anywhere near 20 mil. And I doubt how much of his revenue is NET, not GROSS.
RJ
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Watching TheTrain Wreck Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RJ,
Since you are only remaining half way anonymous… who are you? Care to shed more light on Pagen? He seems to be halfway defended as a good guy when brought up here.
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Duff Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Ah, Mr. Ross Jeffries is here….
Tony Robbins has also ripped off David Deida’s stuff for his Ultimate Relationship Program.
Pagan has gone farther and promoted Deida’s workshops, including a special weekend costing $3000 a participant:
http://ebenpagan.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/come-see-david-deida-with-me/
Who knows how much any of the “success gurus” are actually making though. Personally I suspect Ray is hiding his assets and portraying himself as broke to get cash from this World Wealth Society members and other members of his “inner circle” so he doesn’t have to pay out of pocket.
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hrm Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
RJ is the “father” of the modern dating/seduction community/niche.
Praised by most of those interested, hated by a few others trying to make a buck in the niche.
I’ve seen a boatload of shit from that community, including both his stuff and Ebenezer’s stuff, and between the two, the difference is: RJ’s stuff will boost women’s desire toward you. Ebenezer’s stuff will help boost your desire to go further down his funnel in his endless loop of bullshit failure about sticking your mammalian brain in a woman’s ass while telling her jokes like a 12 year old.
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_cartman_ Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Ross Jeffries?
This Ross Jeffries?
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@mariaandros You processed my payment on July 29. I’ve received NOTHING after that first welcome email. what gives? 12:39 PM Aug 10th, 2009
http://twitter.com/RossJeffries/status/3228768954
@drkilstein RJ here. Paid for Maria’s program, have received NOTHING. No log ins, no passwords. ZIP. No response from her. What gives? 1:00 PM Aug 10th, 2009
http://twitter.com/mariaandros/status/3250380367
@RossJeffries hey Ross just got back from my trip & had my team take care of this right away :) i apologize for any delay & welcome!-2:19 PM Aug 11th, 2009
http://twitter.com/mariaandros/status/3250380367
Apparently Andros takes her “team” on vacation…weird…
@RossJeffries i look forward to seeing you leverage video more…:) would love to have you on the live calls to see how you could take your 3:53 PM Aug 11th, 2009
http://twitter.com/mariaandros/status/3251927004
@RossJeffries your brand to a new level Harlan notified me yesterday and wanted to make sure you were in :) have a great day! 3:56 PM Aug 11th, 2009
http://twitter.com/mariaandros/status/3251961117
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hmmm….strange…..
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Amy Hall Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
If you listen closely… the atty doesn’t say that James doesn’t have the money… just that it isn’t liquid enough to come up with the $500,000 cash that he needs. For God’s sake the man owns 5 houses! His parents own their own house, his brother owns properties in OK. They could come up with it if they wanted to. James is in solitary confinement. He’s on a Monk’s Holiday!
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 12:00 am
Good catch.
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# 5 February 2010 at 12:57 pm

Best Feathered Friend said:
Aussie schirmer is getting right out there to support his ‘mate’ James Ray:
http://twitter.com/davidschirmer/status/8614582170
http://twitter.com/davidschirmer/status/8671104288
Even on his own blob, I mean blog:
http://www.davidschirmer.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72:james-rays-arrest-a-the-secret&catid=1:general
Birds of a feather come to mind……
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_cartman_ Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
“We live in a world where most people are looking to blame someone else for whatever happens;… they don’t seem to have enough common sense to look at their own stupidity of borrowing massive amounts of money with little or no assets, or spending their every cent on depreciating junk, or giving their well earned money to someone promising them crazy returns and never doing their own research!” – David Schirmer
BFF…..Too fucking funny…schirmer is berating the people who gave him money expecting him to fulfill his promises…apparently they should realize he (or anyone else who makes these grandiose promises) are full of shit….now that is classic….
As to the two interviews, interesting read. By the end of Megan’s interview I just wanted to take her to the vet, and have her put to sleep…her stupid, just grated on my nerves..
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JC Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 4:51 am
That is hilarious shit about Schirmer. How ironic, even HE knows hes full of shit and he has finally admitted it and hes probably too bloody stupid to realise he has. Well now, how do we align that with christianity again?
Could schirmer be talking about himself by any chance? Didnt he borrow the massive amounts of money with no assets? Didn’t spend every sent on depreciating junk like fancy cars, fussy artwork and many trips to never never land? And wasn’t it he who made all those promises to all those people and NEVER GAVE THEM A PENNY OF A RETURN? That is just to funny. What a bloody wanker. Good juice cartman, keep it up.
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Anonymouse Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 4:54 am
It was Schirmer who encouraged his minions to buy buy buy whatever their heart desired and the bigger the dream the better (bugger saving for it, we want it NOW! like), the means would fall from the sky to pay for it. Look at the shit hes in because he really believed it would. Too funny man.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 11:11 am
Good for you, Cartman, for digging up that bit of wisdom from David Schirmer. I do have to wonder if he sees the irony, inconsistency, and utter hypocrisy in his statement. After all, as Anonymouse and JC pointed out, DS and most of his colleagues in and outside of “The Secret” were trading on that whole “The Universe loves speed,” or “Money loves speed” impulse-buying theme during the long honeymoon period following the release of the world’s most famous moviemercial. Those were the days, my friend, when the Universe was just a giant mail-order catalog.
Then the times, they got tough. There was that inconvenient recession thing that so many of the woo-roos were “refusing to participate in,” or even acknowledge — that is, till they saw the profit potential of exploiting desperate people. Then there was Sweatgate, a really big “Oops” (or “Opps,” as David Schirmer might spell it). And in the US, there were those pesky new FTC regs. Jeez, 2009 really blew big chunks.
As a result, many of the gurus have been furiously backpedaling. Or at least that’s what it looks like to me. But maybe I’m wrong. Actually, if you scroll down to the very bottom of most of their web pages and squint your eyes to read the teeny-tiny links to the legal disclaimers and such, you’ll see that for years many have made extravagant promises out of one side of their mouths, while whispering about exercising due diligence, etc. out of the other side. (Yeah, I know I’ve griped about this before. Indulge me.)
There do seem to be some newer additions to existing disclaimers, however. Visiting a certain “Hypnotic Marketing” site today, I followed the teeny-tiny “Legal disclaimer” link and found something I hadn’t seen before:
“That being said, HMI, Dr. Vitale and his associates, partners and affiliates firmly believe in the effectiveness of hard work and the power of positive thought and that, more than anything, is what he is selling and teaching. Joe believes, that if you believe, anything can happen.”
I guess that just about says it all. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna tap my red shoes together, wish upon a star — I guess the Sun will have to do for now — and get to work on a proposal for a new project.
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# 5 February 2010 at 6:50 pm

Jean D. said:
Bryan,I can see your concerns that Ray has to have money somewhere and as others have suggested, he probably has it hidden, yet accessible. It would make sense because of your family’s and other pending civil suits. I think he would do anything to get out of jail and leave the country. He has no conscience!We know that for sure. That’s how he was able to go shower and eat while his friends/supporters were injured, dead and dying. Reminds me of the case from 2006 when 4 American soldiers committed horrific crimes against an Iraqi girl,then returned to their checkpoint and grilled chicken wings for dinner.
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Hippo Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
To Jean:
If he does make bail, I sure hope they keep his passport.
His lawyer said he’s not a flight risk, but I don’t believe that.
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 12:03 am
When Werner Erhard was sued, he sold his businesses to his family and fled to Europe. Ray is a copycat and is likely to follow the lead of his elders in his real tradition, the LGAT tradition.
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# 5 February 2010 at 7:30 pm

Res Ipsa said:
If you’re worried about losing your assets in civil suits over wrongful death, the last thing you’re going to do is pony up $500,000 to make bail. Kind of hard to claim you’re judgment-proof after forking over that amount of dough. Play broke, pay your attorneys, and start shopping for a hideaway where extradition isn’t going to happen. It worked for Polanski for decades.
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Walter Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
In that case, let’s hope the trial gets postponed for a few years!
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# 5 February 2010 at 9:52 pm

Doc said:
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Regarding Eben, I don’t know about how effective his “dating” methods are, and I’ve felt (once I discovered that David DeAngelo was his alter ego) that he is more interested in that market segment purely as a business venture, as opposed to other PUA types in the field. I think he probably started off awkward and getting no tail, then learned some PUA concepts (from RJ and the original players on Cliff’s list) and then decided to start profiting from it. His dating seminars always have other “authorities” teaching you.
I recently found his entire Guru business course online, and hope to go through it to see if it can help me with ethically creating my own health consulting practice (I’m a physician). BTW, Salty, I found it *interesting* that Joseph Mercola (mercola.com) is Eben’s No. 1 affiliate. I always found Mercola to be a bit of a snake oil salesman with questionable marketing ans scare tactics, until I discovered he learned the tricks of the trade from Jeff Walker, Eben Pagan and the rest. Now the guy has gotten onto Huff Post, which I am sure ramps up his credibility in the mainstream.
Somehow, Eben still appears a lot more trustworthy than Kern and the other sleazeballs, although he calls them all his “good friends”. The only reason I listen to him is because I believe his story about $25 mil in sales a year. I hope that’s not a lie.
Something interesting: I recently got an email: Eben teaches “How To Use Your Brain”. Could it be that he is now venturing into more “Personal Development” type material, a la Steve Pervlina (thanks, Cosmic Connie for that moniker)?
http://www.getaltitude.com/program/howtouseyourbrain.asp?s=11259&e=1
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SD Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
@Doc ::
I’ll say more about Debbie in the future. But for tonight :: I give you James Arthur Ray writing on Huffington …
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-arthur-ray/health-care-what-ever-hap_b_267315.html
“What Ever Happened to Personal Responsibility?”
Yes … what ever happened to it? I guess it died in a sack full of money.
Someone is on Huffington :: or Larry King :: Or does $20 million in revenue {bullshit!} :: or has 100k followers on twitter :: etc etc. Not signs of credibility :: not signs of anything at all.
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Hippo Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
My goodness, James Ray had already killed Colleen Conaway when he wrote that.
That article is amazing in light of what we know now.
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hrm Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 5:59 am
Even though he has done wrong, that article does hold very sound advice that most people may consider common sense, but many neglect. Personal responsibility, exercise, eating healthy, understanding the passive influence of those closest to you.
A lot of those things are dismissed in modern society. That freely available full of great advice is sadly tarnished by the reputation his name now carries.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 10:33 am
I’m glad you brought that HuffPost article up again, SD. I love this part:
“I pay a pretty penny already for health insurance that rarely if ever gets used. At the same time, I spend a small fortune (outside of my insurance plan) on proactive health-sustaining solutions such as massage, acupuncture, nutritional supplementation, gym membership, organic foods and much more. All of which my health care provider refuses to pay. My insurance company is laughing all the way to the bank.”
And, a little later, there’s this:
“I got my annual physical last week, and my doctor gladly told me that all my vitals and hormone levels (which I get checked regularly) are at the level of a 28 year old. I’m sure you’re aware that my physical chronology is a few years more than that. But health is not about chronology.
“Lest you think I boast or that I’m just lucky –think again. Luck has nothing to do with it, and I’m not boastful…I’m grateful. I work my tail-feathers off to take premium care of the body the Creator has given me. If I can travel over 200 days per year and eat healthfully and get a workout in every single day, anyone can. It’s people like me that keep the insurance companies in fat city.”
I’ll just let those snippets speak for themselves.
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Hippo Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
I thought that Mercola was a scam artist. That EFT tapping thing, whatever it’s called, is completely bogus.
I probably shouldn’t answer this post since I didn’t understand about 50% of it. Not really sure what James Ray has to do with “getting no tail.”
I can’t believe I just typed that. Eww.
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 12:07 am
EFT does work some percentage of the time, but who knows if it works better than placebo–there are no “tapping studies” that I’m aware of.
I stopped paying attention to Mercola when I realized I could buy whatever he was selling at a 20-50% discount simply by looking up the product on Google. Mercola has no shortage of critics either for the claims he makes.
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Hippo Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
To Duff:
Well, if EFT works the same as a placebo, then that means it doesn’t work.
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Pagan has always framed the systematic objectification of women as “personal development.”
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Hippo Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 1:17 am
To Duff:
Thank you for the clarification. I’m not familiar with this person, but I do kind of feel like I need a shower.
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 12:09 am
By the way, Pagan calls these guys good friends because they are (or at least they run in the same shady circles). Pagan has a masterful way of portraying himself as NOT being a sleazebag scum of the earth. Meanwhile all his “friends” are exactly that, and he says to hang around people you want to be like.
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# 5 February 2010 at 10:00 pm

Dave said:
Good grief. This whole internet marketing community is incestuous as hell. “Pick up artists”? That’s a market segment? Not sure what all that has to do with the Death Ray in prison – unless he was a part of the “Ima Stud” coalition too.
Question for the lawyers: Since ALL of these guys are connected, and all of them are scheming in one way or another to relieve unsuspecting marks of significant sums of cash in return for bullshit, isn’t there a RICO case somewhere in there?
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Hippo Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
To Dave:
I seem to recollect that Terry Hall was looking into that.
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Amy Hall Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 11:46 am
I asked the YCSO about charging him with RICO. He said he would bring it up with the DA. That’s all we heard about that.
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 12:12 am
The sucker market (the kind internet marketers like, although they call it the “desperate buyer’s only” market) consists primarily of appealing to the seven deadly sins:
Greed (get-rich-quick schemes, internet marketing itself, etc.)
Lust (seduction, viagra, etc.)
Pride (diet pills, etc.)
etc.
You get the idea. Basically appeal to the worst in desperate people and take them for everything they’re worth.
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hrm Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 6:17 am
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Well, it serves the marketers well because typically people that are willing to buy those things are not very intelligent, nor are they very emotionally stable.
Those are the people who will be too dumb to realize that calling up mastercard or visa will get their payment reversed in a flash. They are the people that think “oh damn, they got my money, and they sent me something, and that’s fair, damn!”
I’ve seen – countless times – videos of seminars of all of these big “gurus”, and the people give off a very fake, deceptive aura. An aura of “look at me trying to take from the world”. An aura of evil intent. They look to be people that have been slaving away at office jobs, the people that think their boss is actually an evil devil trying to suck their life away and that it’s their bosses fault that they have to work, and now they’re at a seminar hoping to meet someone so they can be part of the charlatan scam network.
Those people don’t see that – if you’re genuinely good enough to make it in this life, you’ll make it without buying you’re way in. If you’re offering something genuinely worthy of someone parting their money, then word of mouth should pick up and you shouldn’t have to use such ridiculous and deceptive marketing and wordplay to make 50 pages of copy. People should see the innate value.
Rainbow chasers with money are the marketers wet dream.
The internet has just made it easier, quicker, and more anonymous.
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SD Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Being vulnerable to agressive “deadly sins” marketing isn’t about how intelligent you are :: that’s bullshit. However :: in IM specifically … I’ve certainly noticed an emotional balance problem. If something total shit just happened in your life … or you’ve been struggling for a long time … it makes you vulnerable to just those kinds of lies.
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
A lot of intelligent young men in particular are drawn into the pick-up artist and internet marketing material. But yes, once you see the problem clearly, one can recognize these scammers almost instantly just how they talk, write, and look.
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# 5 February 2010 at 10:22 pm

Carlon said:
Hey Droid and Droid fans,
I don’t think the Droid will mind me giving you guys a link to my latest “Droid/Onion-inspired” story on James Arthur Ray. I hope you enjoy.
http://dontstepinthepoop.com/sweat-lodge-guru-asks-universe-set-free
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Hippo Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
To Carlon:
A much-needed touch of comic relief. Thank you.
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Carlon Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 12:30 am
You’re welcome, Hippo. Glad you enjoyed it.
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Julie Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
That was so freaking funny.
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# 5 February 2010 at 10:38 pm

Dave said:
Hey SD, I went and read Death Ray’s article on the HuffPost. Beyond the arrogant “I’m so great” message, he actually had a couple of things that made sense, but it’s this quote that I find really interesting:
“I got my annual physical last week, and my doctor gladly told me that all my vitals and hormone levels (which I get checked regularly) are at the level of a 28 year old. I’m sure you’re aware that my physical chronology is a few years more than that. But health is not about chronology.”
I thought he was on some type of hormone treatment?
I also went and read David “Scammer” Schirmer’s drivel. Left him a nice friendly comment, but I doubt he’ll post it. That’s a nice approach he has to call us all pathetic losers with no life. Hell, I may be a pathetic loser, but I do have a life, and I’m about ready to make a career change just to make scamming dirtbag’s lives as miserable as possible.
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Health isn’t about chronology, it’s about taking anti-aging steroid cocktails from internet doctors.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 10:41 am
I just noticed this comment, Dave (and Duff’s response) *after* I posted my comment above, regarding James Ray and his heroic efforts to take care of the body the Creator gave him. Beyond the personal-responsibility hypocrisy, I think we’re all on the same page re the hypocrisy of James Ray offering health “advice” that implies everyone can be as healthy and vital as he, when Ray himself was spending “a small fortune” on his own regimen. True, he wasn’t asking for government handouts; he “earned” the money he spent. But the manner in which he earned that money… well, ’nuff said.
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Amy Hall Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 11:48 am
I just gotta say it…. No matter the health regime… No matter the chronology… No matter how many time you work out… James Ray still has HERPES!!! *tee hee*
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Dave, regarding David Schirmer, he probably won’t respond directly to your comment. But if you’re blunt enough, he may threaten to sic his “defamation barrister” on you.
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# 5 February 2010 at 11:55 pm

Duff said:
Just watched the Larry King video with Ray’s lawyer.
James Ray’s lawyer: “he thinks about those three people every minute of every day” … like when right after he killed them and he took of his pants and ate a sandwich for instance. Yeeeaaahhh, right.
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# 6 February 2010 at 12:28 am

SD (author) said:
Extra Extra ::
Tonight on Larry King :: a Secret that is LITERALLY helping people start over …
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Bobby Ray Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Joe Vitale is now a “hypnotherapist?” It’s hard to keep up with his specific profession from one day to the next. Maybe for him, too.
Next time he goes on Larry King, he should wear something besides that short sleeve dress shirt. It made me want to ask him what the soup of the day is.
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Notice how James Ray does a cheesy gesturing trick at about 0:50: “like (pause) vibrations are attracted to each other” while gesturing back and forth between himself and Larry King.
This is to try and create a feeling of connection between himself and King. Ray often does this with the ridiculous phrase “you, like me, …” which is an attempt to unconsciously suggest that the other person likes you, copied from other sleazy salesmen types.
*Bleh*
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Sheepson id#43 Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Transcription of video including the cut out parts:
James Ray: “Like Vibrations are Attracted to Each other, science has proven this, every child knows that when you put like poles of magnets together, they join together immediately. Just try getting opposite poles of magnet to stick together, you can’t do it! It’s simple basic science Larry… ” <– Hungh? Wtf? That's perfectly the opposite of science…
Larry: "Is that true and good science Joe?" <– because we all know the Australian Hypnotherapy Association is world renown for its scientists….
Joe: "That's exactly right Larry, you see – science proves that I went to court for writing bad checks, declared bankruptcy, and defaulted on all my clients… See how all those things are alike and go together?"
Larry: "Fascinating… You're saying that you successfully defrauded your clients by declaring bankruptcy, and now teach people the secrets of success? Jack, what about you?"
Jack: "Well Larry, I refer the financial topics to my co-author Mark Victor Hanson who has two Fake Masters Degrees ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Victor_Hansen) and expertly used bankruptcy to default on all his professional and personal obligations… For me, I'm focused on the self esteem side of things. For example – I personally abandoned my wife and child, she was 6 months pregnant with our second child at the time, do you have any idea how much self esteem it takes to walk out on your family and pregnant wife? It's successes like that which make me expert at teaching others how to manage their relationships…"
Larry: "Wow, Jack I never knew you walked out on your family and children, didn't Tony Robbins do that twice?"
James Ray: "Exactly my point! See Likes attract! We frauds come together to cheat, mislead, betray, and even jeopardize people's lives… We have no expertise whatsoever, and we each are utter failures in exactly the things we teach! We are the opposite of experts, so we are attracted to each other, then we abuse I mean 'base' our credibility on each other… That, Larry, is the Law of Attraction in Action."
Larry: "But, with all of you being frauds, cheats, and criminals; doesn't that make you vulnerable should one of you be arrested?"
Joe: "hahaha… Of course not! We're a den of thieves, we live under a code, if one of us got arrested, the rest of us publicly denounce him. So if one gets busted it just builds the credibility for the rest of us."
James Ray: "Exactly, we always get ya three for three. Our thoughts, our feelings, and our actions are always based entirely on self interest. I hope I'm not the one who winds up behind bars, but if I do, I'll totally understand when the other guys turn their backs on me… It's our code Larry, and you don't fuck with our code."
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Nopeacelikeshowpeace Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
“…you’re saying that you successfully defrauded your clients by declaring bankruptcy, and now teach people the secrets of success?”
Well, well, well. There is another person on the secret who knows exactly what happens when “they choose” to do this. And they must surely know by now that the punishment is going to last forever and ever until “they choose” to resolve it by making amends appropriately. You know who you are and you know what you must do. That does not involved preaching your version of christianity and inciting further hate and revenge by being totally arrogant and insensitive to the hurt and financial ruin you have left so many people in. Being ignorant to the hurt and placing the responsibility onto those people is why your life will never change. Man up and take responsibility …. FOR ONCE.
A true christian:
KEEPS HIS WORD
DOES NOT CONTINUALLY PRACTICE SIN
LOVES NOT ONLY WITH WORD AND TONGUE BUT IN DEED AND TRUTH
HAS A LOVE OF GOT THAT IS REFLECTED IN A LIFE FREE OF IMMORALITY, COMPLACENCY and DECEIT
Theres probably plenty of people who fit this but only one who knows exactly who this is written for!
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Chuckles Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Oh, that’s funny!
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SD Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
@Sheepson id #43 ::
That’s pretty classic stuff!
Don’t fuck with the code FTW!
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# 6 February 2010 at 12:35 am

SD (author) said:
Mania Megan’s immunity in the Washington Post ::
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/05/AR2010020504616.html
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Amy Hall Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 1:37 am
OMFG!!! Megan is an intelligent person… for her to say…
‘Megan Fredrickson said people who were vomiting, unresponsive and unconscious raised no red flags with her because Ray had explained those responses were possibilities. She told authorities that her experience with sweat lodges was limited to the ones led by Ray, and she never took it upon herself to research them or find out why people would pass out.
“James is my boss, so I listened to what he says and I listened to what he told participants,” she said in the documents.’
opps… I didn’t know people would die… *twirling her hair* (She’s not blonde either folks!) It’s outlandish!
Although after thinking about it I would expect that from her… The shit flowed down hill at JRI quite frequently and liberally! After reading this I’m surprised that James didn’t try to blame her for negligence. But then he’s always been infatuated with her, or so it seemed. (I wonder if her and Josh aren’t holding a ‘monetary gift’ from James until he gets out of the slammer.) I have always maintained and still maintain that Megan has culpability in this case because she produced and directed the event. It was her responsibility to make sure the ‘first aid kit’ (and emergency services) was at the event and clearly she failed in her responsibilities.
James had her running a 10 million dollar business. *tee hee, twirling her hair* opps… There’s no money to refund the victims or their families. But at least Josh and I don’t have to go to jail now. I really hope that you Megan ‘Stepford Wife’ Fredickson can’t sleep at night with the guilt of your recklessness!
Amy (I don’t care if you do come at me for breaking my non disclosure, you really do deserve all the shit that everyone can throw at you.) Hall
WINNER!! ::   +19
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Hippo Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 1:46 am
To Amy:
I was hoping you would comment on this.
Okay, so now that she has immunity, what will she be able to add, if anything, to what the public already knows?
Even though she has immunity from criminal prosecution, she could still be sued, could she not? I would think that she would not be very forthcoming for that reason.
Also, she has no immunity from authorities in other jurisdictions (like San Diego), and I would think that would be a factor for her to consider as well.
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Amy Hall Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Hi Hippo,
I left JRI before Megan came back into the office. So I don’t know what she knows.
I do know that the email I received Friday morning after the incident read…’It’s been an amazing week. The law of polarity has been at work. We’ve had some amazing breakthroughs and a few participants have fallen ill.’ She knew Kirby and James Shore were dead as she was writing the email.
So I know that Megan has no trouble ‘s t r e t c h i n g’ the ‘truth’. She’s proved that over and over again when she would lie to James about the state of the company.
I was under the impression that she and Greg stayed behind in Sedona and traveled back and forth extensively, to ‘help’ the investigation. Obviously another lie from the JRI camp.
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SD Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 1:48 am
Wow! You go Amy!
Fuck the non-disclosure … that whole place was a worthless sham … and they clearly aren’t going to flash the coin required to fight back anyway.
Note that it’s sweat lodge case immunity … not Colleen Conaway cover-up … or interstate financial fraud immunity.
And I’m still VERY attracted to Megan … just not in the same way as James and his inadequate ballsack.
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Amy Hall Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Hi Droid,
I went to work for JRI because I want the world to be a better place where no one dies over a patch of dirt and every child goes to bed every night with a full tummy. I honestly thought that was what JRI was working toward; by helping people be the best ‘them’ they could be and know and love themselves. So it’s still very challenging for me to know that I invested my heart and my time in a sham. That was never my intention. And I’m sad and embarrassed that I ever worked there.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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SD Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
@Amy ::
It’s tricky … because the peace/love BS was the make-up he was putting on his pig. It’s not like he was walking around wearing in a T-shirt that said: “WARNING: Hardened Psychopath with Herpes”
Most people should be sad and embarrassed about most places they’ve worked. The world is short on genuine beacons of light.
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Amy–I’ve worked at some idealistic jobs myself. I’m sorry you experienced all this, but I’m very proud of how you are dealing with it. You are one of the few true “spiritual warriors” in this whole scenario.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Carl Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 2:18 am
It sounds like the prosecutors could have had a fish fry but decided to let the little fish go to better ensure they’d catch the biggest fish. The immunity deal seems disappointing for the very reason Amy mentioned. However, the prosecution surely considered the odds and big picture and made the choice they thought likey to produce a conviction and have the greatest impact.
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Hippo Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
To Amy:
I am trying to respond to your post about the reason you joined JRI, but I don’t think my response is going to end up in the right place.
I wanted to say that I also post on an anti-Scientology board, and people there express the same sentiments that you have–they joined with good intentions, with the expectation of helping others, and ended up feeling betrayed.
I don’t know if you read any ex-cult websites, but I’m sure there are some good ones. I only know a couple of Scientology ones. I was never in Scientology, but became interested when Tom Cruise started acting so crazy several years ago–I wanted to know what could make him act that way. I learned a lot, the whole brainwashing thing is amazing, and there are some similarities with what you went through with JRI.
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# 6 February 2010 at 12:42 am

Yakaru said:
“…the Fredricksons…said they couldn’t recall many of the details that participants did when asked what happened in the sweat lodge ceremony at Ray’s five-day “Spiritual Warrior” retreat.”
First major screw up by the investigators. Not much point granting immunity to two people who both “forget” exactly the same details. What better way to prove their credentials trouble management creds for their next employer?
All the more reason to push the San Diego Police to reopen Colleen’s case.
Also, Amy noted James was always infatuated with Megan. Check out the defense’s star witness Kristina Bivins – he seems to go for a particular type.
http://www.siia.net/iis/2009/presentations/kris.jpg
These people may face a little public condemnation for what they do in this case, but they’re building their reputation in the business world as slick operators.
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Hippo Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 9:29 am
To Yakaru:
Maybe the prosecutors DO know what they’re doing. Perhaps the Fredricksons’ memories will improve with the immunity deal and some gentle persuasion.
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mirele Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 10:15 am
In order to get immunity, the Fredericksons (and their attorneys) would have to make what is known as a proffer. In other words, the Fredericksons would have had to lay out what they were prepared to testify about and the prosecution would have had to considered if the Fredericksons’ knowledge was such that they could give legitimate answers.
I hope that Sheila Polk (Yavapai County Attorney) and her people know what they’re doing. At least their office is not so consumed with lawsuits and crap disaster like Maricopa County’s judicial system.
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Hippo Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 10:49 am
To Mirele:
Thank you for that info, also to rwr.
Now that you mention it, I recall that, during the Manson trials, Susan Atkins was offered an immunity deal, which she breached. Therefore, she got prosecuted. She just died in prison a couple of months ago.
I wonder if any other JRI employees will be offered similar deals?
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# 6 February 2010 at 3:15 am

rwr said:
Dave,
You rock!
James Ray was taking what appears to be an aggressive anti-aging regimen including testosterone, HGH, HCG … some self-injected. A letter from a Dr. Crisler (sp) was photographed as evidence in his cabin at Angel Valley stating same, and including Finasteride. Ray is also a proponent of anti-aging regimens of this nature.
So in his HCR article he’s bragging about being better than everyone based either on fiction or a fraudulently obtained result.
Business as usual.
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# 6 February 2010 at 10:44 am

rwr said:
If you’ve ever seen the standard terms of an immunity agreement, you’ll probably feel better about it. If they hold out at any level and at any time in the course of the prosecution, the immunity deal evaporates and they are fair game, as is everything they disclosed.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Amy Hall Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 11:17 am
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
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stoic Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 11:30 am
In that case rwr, they should offer immunity to all Death Ray’s staff.
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SD Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
@rwr ::
Agreed! Whatever document they were quoting from there … it won’t be the last time they ask Megan questions. She better think hard about her answers … lying after you signed and immunity deal is a TERRIBLE idea … and we are all watching.
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Yakaru Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Glad to hear that.
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# 6 February 2010 at 10:54 am

noodlebowl said:
Go here to the Ross message board.
Someone posted info on useful survival info for persons in jail
..such as how to make wine from commissary items..and in the toilet bowl.
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,81821#msg-81821
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# 6 February 2010 at 12:03 pm

Jake said:
Here’s some EXCELLENT ADVICE for James Ray.
He should read this particular review of “The Secret” immediately. This could totally change his life:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2X2TB3S4O5I60
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Hippo Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
To Jake:
Finally! Some very practical advice we should all consider using if we find ourselves in a similar situation.
You never know when you’re going to be struck by the urge to defecate in a mailbox.
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hrm Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Oh my.
That review is priceless.
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# 6 February 2010 at 12:41 pm

noodlebowl said:
Jake, how did you find Amazon item?
And..damn you, I had to change my undies, because I laughed so hard
I peed.
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# 6 February 2010 at 1:40 pm

noodlebowl said:
One person responded to the post with this:
“Posted on Jan. 8, 2009 10:15 AM PST
howlin mad murdock says:
its a good thing he stabbed marcus before marcus stabbed him with his secret”
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# 6 February 2010 at 1:54 pm

RD said:
While on the subject of the ‘Secret’ …. It would seem logical that all the ‘Secret’ teachers who have done overt video endorsements of James Ray should at this time have some comment about their endorsement of him. Are they also confident that he will be exonerated? How long will they remain silent ?
James Canfield
Chicken Soup for the Soul
Canfield Training Institute

Marci Shimoff
Chicken Soup for the Women’s Soul

Pete Bissonette
Learning Strategies Corporation

Janet Attwood
Healthy Wealth and Wise

Bill Harris
Centerpointe Research Institute

Bob Scheinfeld
Ultimate Lifestyle Academy
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jamesrayintl#p/u/61/rSrTItvMV44
Hale Dwoskin
Sedona Method
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jamesrayintl#p/u/60/iIPy7i2FhW8
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Duff Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
An excellent point. Where is the “leadership” of these members of the Transformational Leadership Council?
Bill Harris in particular wasn’t too happy when I made his business associations with James Arthur Ray explicit, threatening me with a spurious defamation lawsuit:
http://beyondgrowth.net/beyond-growth-project/the-secret-fails-harris-threatens-to-sue-mcduffee/
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Yakaru Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
This is what Jack Canfield’s son is doing currently – playing in a band called “Child Abuse”.
“Thirty-four years ago, Oran Canfield’s father Jack, a man who would go on to become the hugely successful author of the US self-help book Chicken Soup for the Soul, left his pregnant wife and one-year-old son, and moved in with a masseuse. Judging by what is happening on a Berlin stage right now, it is probably safe to suggest that Oran has yet to entirely forgive him.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/healthy-living/daddy-dearest-the-son-of-a-selfhelp-guru-reveals-all-1888522.html
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# 6 February 2010 at 1:56 pm
The Bane of Up-Selling – Ryan S. Taylor said:
[...] everything in the self-help industry. A prime example of this is James Arthur Ray’s supposed difficulty in securing $500,000 cash to post bond after his arrest. If he is as rich as he claims, [...]
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# 6 February 2010 at 2:01 pm

Ken said:
“The Secret” also featured Joe “Mr. Fire” Vitale, humble man of wisdom (just ask him).
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hrm Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Joe Vitale is such a turd
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# 6 February 2010 at 2:25 pm

Jean D. said:
First,I want to say, Bryan Neuman,you’re really brave to be conducting your own investigation. You must be feeling so much pain,yet you are steadfast in looking for answers.My heart goes out to you. Your mother was obviously an amazing,loving person. I just read the Huffington Post article and was struck by this statement: “Megan Fredrickson, who was seated next to Ray during the ceremony, said three people who were part of Ray’s “Dream Team” were instructed to help passed-out people leave the sweat lodge. They included Josh Fredrickson and Liz Neuman, a Prior Lake, Minn., woman who was among the deceased, she said.”
The word THEY is unclear. Was Liz one of the three Dream Team members or was Josh Fredrickson passed out? WHEN was this instruction given? If it were PRIOR to the deathlodge,did JRI anticipate people would be passing out?
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Bryan Neuman Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Hi Jean, thank you for the support and sorry I missed your question. My Mother was a dream team volunteer, not a JRI employee. She loved helping people achieve their goals and dreams and was also a volunteer health coach and the best church greeter ever. Her smile, hugs, and positive attitude could light up any room.
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# 6 February 2010 at 2:32 pm

SD (author) said:
Matt’s {aka Enoch_Root/Balls} awesome write up of the situation from the Shore’s perspective.
WARNING: The pictures of his adorable family are pretty painful given the context.
http://powip.com/2010/02/james-shore-hero/
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# 6 February 2010 at 4:19 pm

Tiga said:
Oh please oh please oh please put this charlatan beyatch on the list http://www.abraham-hicks.com/lawofattractionsource/index.php
They haven’t killed anyone YET. But that Abraham muther fucker she speaks certainly has.
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# 6 February 2010 at 6:26 pm

Karin Hiebert said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
~ comment moved ~
http://saltydroid.info/frank-kern-pissy-plotless-plotting/#comment-9459
LOSER!! ::   -16
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Huh? Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Did I fall asleep and wake up in the twilight zone???
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Karin Hiebert Reply:
February 6th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
no…actually I did…
and none of it is pleasant…
LOSER!! ::   -13
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Watching TheTrain Wreck Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 12:11 am
“I chose to post this here because I really don’t know if or when my blog will be removed because of non payment.”
…seriously?? So you are just going to start posting your own posts as comments here? LOL
How about getting a free blog hosted on wordpress?
P.S. Thanks for taking money under the table from Kern. That added a nice twist to the drama unfolding on this blog.
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Nancy Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 12:21 am
Maybe she could write out her random thoughts on little slips of paper and just put them in a drawer. That wouldn’t cost anything, plus we wouldn’t have to see them.
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Karin Hiebert Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 8:56 am
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http://saltydroid.info/frank-kern-pissy-plotless-plotting/#comment-9460
LOSER!! ::   -14
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208-577-6210 Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Oh thank God.
I was just reading about JAR, the sweat lodge, his victims and the families they’ve left behind, and I just couldn’t stop thinking… what will this mean for Karin?
But now I know. It’ll be so good to be able to sleep at night again.
(As an aside – I’m not totally without pity for you, but there’s a time and a place. Get help for your own issues, or if you must write about them, do so on your own blog. It’s just distasteful to piggyback on the suffering of others, who’ve genuinely been affected by James, to try to get a little of the limelight. A little self-restraint. Please.)
WINNER!! ::   +13
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# 6 February 2010 at 8:23 pm

the voice of reason said:
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While Salty super-lib is justified in his giddiness over the downfall of this asshole, I think he’s off the mark in rejoicing over this apparent “evidence” that James Ray is broke (can’t even put together 500K).
My take? James knows that even if he beats the rap, he’s going to be sued into oblivion by the inevitable civil trials. All you have to do is look at the OJ saga to see Ray has no hope.
Ray knows his “career” as a Robbins wannabe is over. His best case scenario is now to beat the rap and get the fuck out of dodge (the US) with the millions he’s stuffed into offshore bank accounts. He’ll lose his civil cases against him, and point to the fact that he sat in jail because he couldn’t raise 500K as proof that he’s got no money to pay over to these families. Then, he can enjoy the good life for the remainder of his miserable life.
Hey, maybe I’m wrong. Just because I’m the smartest fucking guy ever to grace Salty super-lib’s site (by a country mile), doesn’t necessarily mean I’m right. Most likely, though.
LOSER!! ::   -15
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Well Well Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 12:55 am
Surprisingly, a participatory, thoughtful comment from VOR that doesn’t reference knob gobbling. Still has a little ‘tude in there, but o.k. As a Pavlovian-inspired inducement for continued good commenting behavior, I give him one thumb up. Let’s see if his semi-civil reformation will continue on to new heights.
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# 6 February 2010 at 8:25 pm

Jean D. said:
Correction-the washington(not huffington)post article you listed above,SD, describes that girl who worked for ray’s statement about a Dream Team was instructed to take care of passed-out people.
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Yakaru Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 4:06 am
One of the witnesses quoted Ray as saying before the sweat lodge:
“You will feel like you are going to die. I assure you will not die. If you pass out you will be cared for.”
I think their plan was that the LoA will take care, and that Mr Ray has divine powers. Josh Fredrickson said
–“Ultimately the plan is we never really had a plan for the extent of what happened,” Mr. Fredrickson said. “Call paramedics, I think is the plan.” He said that the staff was never instructed to call 911, but that Mr. Ray appreciated that someone had done so.–
So given that it was the property owner who risked getting screamed at by Ray again who called the paramedics, I think we can assume that Greg is being non-factual with that statement. Their non-existent plan did not involve calling 911.
I think there was an agreement that men should carry people out, (which is hardly a stroke of genius) but no one was able to discern who was in serious trouble and who had achieved the desired “altered state”.
It was too hot for Ray, who was lying on his back, too low down to see anyone. It was too hot for Greg Hartle who got out, only to be “encouraged” by his boss to return – whereupon he went back inside and puked. It was too hot for Ray’s brother, who I understand passed out and was later taken to hospital.
So the plan was, nothing will go wrong that we can’t “deal with” (ie cover up).
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# 6 February 2010 at 10:55 pm

anon said:
The Aussie wanker David Schirmer says this “The core message of The Secret … you are responsible for your life and circumstances!” Then he is the biggest freakin liar and thief and cheat in the secret if his fellow secreteer had to SUE HIM FOR MISLEADING AND DECEPTIVE CONDUCT. He is one person who it appears REFUSES TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS. It appears he has the biggest head and the littlest brain, the biggest mouth and the littlest heart, the biggest ego and the smallest appendage … he must have because anyone with a fraction of a brain would not offend people who have lost a family member through such sad circumstances. He is a heartless and repulsive human being in my view. I think he and James Ray should be locked up together and he offends me and my family.
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# 7 February 2010 at 2:23 am

Sinner2 said:
someone has set up a support page for James Ray
http://www.facebook.com/supportjamesray
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DIED? Do they give a shit about them?
And guess who signed up as one of the millions (no make that just 59 ) friends DAVID SCHIRMER
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Bubba Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
His supporters are nuts. They are trying to raise his bail money? This is one of the suggestions offered by a die hard fan of slimeball James Ray. Forgive me if it is posted below I just felt rage and had to express it and didn’t read any further.
This is a direct quote from thate page.
“How about asking his mentor Bob Proctor to write a letter of recommendation, and his friends like Jack Canfield and Bill Harris who market their products with his endorsement.” They literally feel that if they write letters of recommendation or just send “love and light” that it will help to reduce his bail. Like if the Yavapai county gives a shit who those people are, like those people are gods that we should all know and worship. Holy shit how stupid can you be?
I am afraid for the future of mankind. You know I am all for wanting the best for mankind and praying for others, but I just cringe at the way some people in this world blindly follow others and justify it with such ridiculous statements as those. It brings up an anger in me that I can comprehend. It’s like I can sense that they just say that shit to cover up the filth and darkness inside of them. Forgive me for the rant but I just couldn’t help myself.
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Sinner2 Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Does (not make that DID) James Ray use NLP? I know others pretend to practice it and use it to seduce their followers to buy buy buy and do as I say, do as I say, do as I say.
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anon Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
I wonder if David Schirmer will raise any money to support James Ray? If he does I’m sure the authorities would like to know about it especially when he is currently owing them huge amounts of money not to mention all those people who spoke out against him who still have not been paid anything.
Wealth Creation expert Huh, what a pathetic faker and moron.
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# 7 February 2010 at 4:14 am

Niche Blogger said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
did you see this death ray site from his early days? ~ harmful link removed ~
LOSER!! ::   -17
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hrm Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
lol… Salty’s site has now joined the ranks of sites that IM’ers come to spam their links.
Irony.
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# 7 February 2010 at 9:21 am

Dave said:
@Tiga –
I don’t understand your issue with the Abraham-Hicks MPD/DID crew. Is it the Vortex you fear?
Actually, Cosmic Connie has blogged a few times about this woo crowd. See:
http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/2007/04/take-that-miss-rhonda.html as well as a few other of Connie’s witty snarks about this crew.
Only in the wacky world of scamming new-wage hustledorks can hearing voices in your head be turned into a profit.
Now back to your regularly scheduled comments on the Death Ray.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Thanks for the shout-out, Dave. Yeah, I’ve had a lot of fun with Esther and Jerry Hicks (whom I call the George & Gracie of the New-Wage world) and their imaginary bud(s) Abraham. They are making huge amounts of money. But as far as I know they haven’t killed anyone yet.
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anon Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
You are having an interesting conversation with Dickhead Dave on twitter. Notice he insists on always having the last say and despite all the proof to the contrary he insists hes a world expert on wealth creation. It seems that being in such a public and obvious financial shit that he doesnt know which way is up right now is not enough to kill his ego. In my view he will always be known as the biggest FAKE ON THE SECRET.
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jojo Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
“Most people who r very vocal with their opinions have genuine concern to others, & r often misunderstood”
Maybe Schirmer should start looking at his critics this way instead of guiltily removing all the messages that come his way that he hates getting. I reckon all those people who spoke out about Schirmer had a very genuine concern for others, thats why they did it. As for Schirmer having any genuine concern, that is highly questionable given that he is publicly supporting a person who may have caused the death of several people. There couldn’t be anything more sensitive than that yet Schirmer thinks hes an expert yet again and makes such patheticly invalid comments
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# 7 February 2010 at 9:21 am

anon said:
James Ray looks like he’s about to have a heart attack (guilty as hell like) I recall a similar look on David Schirmers face when he had to face the media in New Zealand for his shonky shinanigans downunder. The video of his face was on youtube somewhere just cant find it right now. These guys know what they have done they are just trying to find clever ways to get around it and get out of it all but in the end THEY WILL PAY.
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jojo Reply:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:37 am
Schirmers attitude and actions are unconscionable. He appears a heartless freak
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# 7 February 2010 at 4:18 pm

Anonymouse said:
I see the James Ray fan club is getting people to write support letters to go to the bail hearing…… very sadly
THAT DOES NOT CHANGE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE NOR THE AFFECT JAMES RAY MISGUIDED GREED HAS HAD ON PEOPLES LIVES
Of course we are all only human (that is a pathetic and inexcusable line) but some “mistakes” must be paid for to ensure they do not happen again. I believe James Ray must face the judge to ensure the lesson is learnt not only for him but for all his cronies as well.
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RD Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Valuable advice left for JAR on his brother Jon’s Facebook from a supporting fan:
“Like you said Jon, The infinite is perfect and everything has a purpose, James is going to come through this.
Ask him to go to the healing Chambers and connect with the Elohim. the Arturians and Clementine for the blue print.
He will know what I am talking about. if he forgot pick up Gnoses and the law for him. Remove all the malformations and discarnets and he will rise to the top free.”
….. huh??!! Well good luck with that James.
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# 7 February 2010 at 5:39 pm

Dave said:
Hey @anon (without the cool shades) – Please don’t confuse this Dave with David “Dickhead” Schirmer. Not one and the same.
@RD – WTF? Seriously, what the fuck are they talking about? Does anyone know? Was the Death Ray into that kind of wacky, way out shit?
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# 7 February 2010 at 10:24 pm

Sennor said:
James Ray brought this shit upon himself
David Schirmer brought his shit upon himself
And every other selfish helpless guru brings lack of wealth, lack of good health and the wrath of good men upon themselves because their actions are taken out of utter greed. That is the law of attraction.
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# 8 February 2010 at 6:56 am

alexa said:
Vitale is a sociopathic dirtbag who will do anything for money. i mean ANYTHING. and hes such a sociopath he actually talks about what he does as if its somehow instructional to his followers instead of being proof of just how fuckd up he is.
for example in his “book” attractor factor he goes on and on about the ‘story of jonathan’. jonathan was some sort of new age dirtbag who was molesting his female clients. people kept TELLINGvitale AGAIN AND AGIAN about the molestation, but vitale thought they were just being “negative”. he flat-out says in his book that HE was getting good things out of their relationship, so he decided to ignore jonathans detracters.
vitale kept ignoring what people said and promoting this creep to everyone he could, incluidng all of his female ‘friends’ until vitales OWN WIFE got molested. then joe felt bad. and finally stopped promoting jonathan. and divorced his wife. who, according to joe, never got over her trauma and her health spiraled down until she died a few years later. which made joe feel even badder.
great guy. so’s his lapdog, pat-the-bunny, who likes to taunt his critics until they reply, then he announces he is above “engageing” them and all of his little followers go ‘oooooh’ like he’s just said something profound. yeah, quite the loving meditator what with his pissy rants about his ‘critics’ all the time, until vitale yanks his leash. hes pretty funny, sad little man.
check out pat-the-bunnys list of ‘coaching’ clients–http://portableempirecoaching.com/products.html . most of them are just parroting pat-the-bunnys frauducts with their own make money thru positive thinking shit. heres the alexa ranking for each one in the order i clicked on them–2.3 MILLION, 3.2M, 2.9M, 1.5M, 1.2M, 4.2M, .7M, 3M, 1M, 7M, 4.4M, 4.1M, 3.7M, 2.5M, 9.2M, 6M, 4.4M, 1M. any alexa ranking over a million is the sort of traffic your memorial blog about your dead cat gets.
its all coming around, tho. all the sceptical sites have been talking for the past several months about ABC news contacting them doing an expose on the whole steaming pile of self help shit. vitale can’t bring himself to read anything negative so hes been bragging about how he ‘attracted’ ABC to come talk to him. Only now that hes been interviewed is it starting to sink in to him that hes in trouble and ABC pulled a schirmer on him. hes trying to spin it in the best possible light but he is screwed! i cant wait!
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# 8 February 2010 at 9:36 am

Name Not Important said:
Just read this blog post, which I think was perfectly said:
http://bizsayer.com/2010/02/07/how-james-arthur-may-have-stayed-out-jail/
It is addressed to all those who insist upon continuing to blindly support James, even after his actions resulted in the DEATHS of people who blindly followed him.
It points out how a “normal person”, one with a heart, and half a brain, would have reacted if this were, in fact, an unavoidable accident caused by the sweat lodge structure. A normal person would not have reacted as James did…period.
To be clear: I am NOT blaming the victims here. The blame lies squarely on James’ shoulders. Blaming the Sedona victims would be like blaming the wife of a man who beat the snot out of her and sent her to the hospital.
However, if anyone continues to blindly follow him AFTER what has happened, it’s hard not to get cranky about it.
If a woman dates a man who she knows beat his ex wife, she shouldn’t be surprised when he one day beats her too.
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# 8 February 2010 at 10:38 am

Anonymous said:
People like David Schirmer would be wise to shut his mouth and keep his opinion to himself about the James Ray incident. He knows nothing about it except what his “feelings” are and people like this have a very very negative “influence” on other peoples lives which is extremely dangerous and not in the least bit christian. He is entitled to his own opinion about what happened but he is NOT entitled to voice his opinion in a way that influences other peoples way of thinking which is what he is doing. You only have to read peoples comments to see what is happening with these people. These guys practice the art of manipulation and that is why they do what they do, that is what they make their dirty crust from. People like this show very little respect for the feelings of those who are hurting at this moment. I also suspect he has shown very little respect for the people he has hurt over the years which from all accounts appears to be a huge amount. Shame on you Mr Schirmer, shame on you.
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# 8 February 2010 at 5:25 pm

Shamus said:
“ultruistic egoism” is the name of the game. Must be rewarding to love (or is that hate) yourself so much that you treat others like shit.
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# 8 February 2010 at 5:34 pm

SD (author) said:
Prosecutors seek gag order in sweat lodge case :: Felicia Fonseca in the Washington Post again.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/08/AR2010020802916.html
“Yavapai County Attorney Sheila Polk argued the order would limit pretrial publicity that could taint the jury pool. She wants the order to include Ray’s employees, his attorneys and their staff, staff and attorneys in the county attorney’s office and employees of the county sheriff’s office.”
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Hippo Reply:
February 9th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
I notice that this article mentions that probation is an option.
How awful would that be? Probation would almost be like a not guilty verdict.
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# 8 February 2010 at 6:54 pm

puzzled said:
What the hell does that really mean?
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Carlon Reply:
February 8th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
It means they don’t want the Droid to get to the members of the jury.
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# 8 February 2010 at 9:12 pm

puzzled said:
Or Rays lawyers or people like David Schirmer who are trying to manipulate the public.
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# 8 February 2010 at 11:02 pm

SD (author) said:
I’m guessing the motion for gag order is about keeping Brad Brain from doing what he did last week. He probably went a bit too far stretching the truth. The government isn’t going to get into a PR war … or start appearing on Larry King with their side of the matter … so the gag order just evens things up on the PR front.
I think it’s for the best if his lawyers are going to whore it up like that.
Here’s another article about it :
http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3062
“So, what about the agreed-upon expedited Reduction of Bail hearing set for Friday, February 12, 2010 at 8 am? Well, that hearing has been cancelled. According to Defense Attorney Tom Kelly, the Yavapai County Attorney, upon further reflection, felt that he would not have enough time to provide written arguments in favor of the bail amount by Wednesday, and thus he withdrew his agreement to an expedited hearing on the matter.”
That may also be about the interviews. Another in a long line of Death Ray PR fuck ups.
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# 9 February 2010 at 12:32 am

stoic said:
“Yavapai County Attorney Sheila Polk argued the order would limit pretrial publicity that could taint the jury pool. She wants the order to include Ray’s employees, his attorneys and their staff, staff and attorneys in the county attorney’s office and employees of the county sheriff’s office.”
I was reading up on an old Scientology case, (1995) Lisa McPherson, who died in their care. CoS used the same tactics as JRI (Whitewash papers)of publishing defence evidence before the indictment and the pathologist in the case made the mistake of appearing on TV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
The CoS case was eventually dropped after prolonged legal wrangling, the YCSO is very wise to go for a gag order if they want this case to be properly tried.
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Hippo Reply:
February 9th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
The bummer with that Scientology case is that they threatened the medical examiner to the point that she changed her findings as to the cause of death. CO$ will badger and harrass people to any length to get what they want.
I don’t think that James Ray has that kind of power.
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# 9 February 2010 at 2:34 am

Carlon said:
With all this talk about gag orders and the like, I think we are losing track of an important point: is anyone going to pony up and send James Ray a copy of “Chicken Soup for the Prisoner’s soul? ”
That way he’ll have something to do while waiting for the universe to set him free.
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Amy Hall Reply:
February 9th, 2010 at 9:22 am
No! It would give him some ‘inspiration’ for his next book!
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# 9 February 2010 at 8:04 am

noodlebowl said:
If you mail him ‘Chicken Soup for the Prisoner’s Soul’, please be advised that any books sent to persons in custody must be ordered and mailed to the facility directly from the manufacturer, to ensure no contraband is inside.
Or set up an account at the commissary in his name. Suggestions, anyone?
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# 9 February 2010 at 11:44 am

Hippo said:
I know this is not a fair comparison, but I noticed yesterday on the news that Dr. Conrad Murray’s bail was set for $75,000 in the Michael Jackson case; James Ray’s bail is set at $5 million.
I just thought it was interesting.
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fbond Reply:
February 9th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
I find that interesting too and maybe thats an indication of just how seriously they are taking this case. In any case I would expect serious regulation of that flaky industry from now on. There is a very good post on Schirmers blog by an “exrayemployee”. I think she hit the nail on the head.
“I BELIEVE HIS MOTIVES CHANGED WHICH MADE HIM LESS AWARE OF THE AFFECT HE HAD ON OTHERS.”
I also believe that guy schirmers motives must have changed enormously too and that is why he is in the shit with so many people including the powers that be. People get greedy, they begin to see dollar signs in front of their eyes and change. Unfortunately they change for the worse and it affects everyone around them. The personal development wealth creation industry is such a crock and to prove that just look at the crap these guys put in their marketing. The industry generally seems to be made up of unprofessional wannabes and people like Schirmer who will make claims of being an expert at everything that he thinks he can make a few dollars out of irrespective of the affect that his words have on other peoples lives. And he has the audacity to call himself a faith walking christian.
I think James Ray seriously lost the plot and now he must pay for making that choice.
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# 9 February 2010 at 12:59 pm
Moment of Epiphany » Blog Archive » Douchebag Award Winner: The creator of the Support James Ray Facebook Group said:
[...] Seriously, I don’t know who created the group, and I don’t care. I found out about this group over on the Salty Droid blog. [...]
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# 10 February 2010 at 3:43 pm

deadagainstlosers said:
I am disgusted to see that loser from Australia David Schirmer actually came out and believed that people with a brain would fall for James Ray FACTS (used loosely). He is a practicing marketing guru wannabe and he gives me the shits. The guy belongs in the school yard where he is asking to get ruffed up. Poor bastard (poor in every way) and it looks like he doesn’t even have the coin to pay his own bills. Seems like these idiots really are faking their way through life. What slimeballs. I think they have a serious case of jealousy and they have very very loose friendships.
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# 10 February 2010 at 6:29 pm

overnout said:
Schirmer is definitely a person that i consider an inglorious bastard. He is continuously attempting to manipulate people to believe that what he says is absolute truth which is seriously delusional, deceitful and downright disgraceful. But then the guy is delusional by all accounts it seems because at the same time as claiming to be a world expert at wealth creation his companies are going belly up and hes having trouble paying anything let alone the massive debts he visualised and created for himself. Seems some people get lost in delusion and spend so much time chasing their own arse that they forget to actually live let alone live honestly. They say that bastards are dumb and they dont come much dumber than him. Guys like him will never succeed or become anyone of respect because they fail to respect the basics.
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KarenJ Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
I wonder if this guy is thinking how stupid he was to say anything about James Ray now as all this comes out. Only fools do that because it will all come back in his face very soon and we’ll all be watching.
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# 10 February 2010 at 7:57 pm

Yakaru said:
Maybe this is old news to everyone here, but the interviews with the Fredricksons can be found here:
http://tommcfeeley.com/item/138
I’ve only read Megan’s so far. Icredible. They confront her with the fact that there’s a voice mail recording from her telling JRI staff to find and destroy all files related to the death lodge. I assume they gramted her immunity so hse’d say yes James told me to do it. Instead, she plays dumb. She’ll have an interesting day in court.
Destroying evidence – just like they destroyed Colleen Conaway’s journal a few months earlier.
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SD Reply:
February 11th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
I read all three of them yesterday :: crazy!
Wouldn’t you just love to hear those messages from Megan to Melinda. Someone should send them to me before the gag order takes effect … so I can post them and cause a fury!
Notice to employees of James Ray International :: STOP leaving voice messages that map out your criminality! Sheesh! Where are all the good criminals hiding? Cause I’m surrounded by total retards.
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Sheepson id#43 Reply:
February 12th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
TL/DR: Megan’s going to Jail…
This is verbatim Excerpts from the Detective’s interview with Megan Fredrickson.
I ADDED NOTHING, I CHANGED NOTHING, I PRESERVED THE ORDER AND SEQUENCE. I simply cut the bulk ramblings and distilled it here for you: (if read it out loud and do the voices you’ll see exactly why Megan is on a fast track to prison – as it progresses you can hear the Detective getting really pissed at her, it’s actually sadly hilarious) Note: Mr. Proctor is her attorney.
Remember: Megan is the Director of Operations of a $9.4 million dollar a year company, oversees and attends almost every event JRI hosts.
Det. Diskin: Okay, have you done any independent research on how a sweat lodge is supposed to be run?
Megan: No
Det. Diskin: Do you have any knowledge of how to run a sweat lodge?
Megan: No
Det. Diskin: Several people have told us that James Ray had a reaction to Amayra calling 911.
Megan: I’m not aware.
Det. Poling: So when you were down there and he was gone, what was being mentioned about 911?
Megan: I don’t have any knowledge…
Det. Diskin: Okay, so were you around James Ray when he was talking to the paramedics?
Megan: No, not that I recall anyway.
Det. Poling: Were you with anyone at this time? Were you with another participant that you can name that while this was going on?
Megan: I wouldn’t, I don’t remember.
Det. Diskin: Okay. Were you around when Daniel returned from the hospital?
Megan: I don’t recall.
Det. Diskin: And Josh. And is that when this conversation took place that you’re?
Megan: I don’t recall specifically…
Det. Diskin: What specific precautions were taken between 2005 and 2006 to prevent this from happening?
Megan: Uhm you know I don’t remember specifics.
Det. Diskin: How does that prevent somebody from getting heat stroke?
Megan: I don’t, I don’t know.
Det. Poling: So what research was done in Daniel’s case to make these changes?
Megan: I don’t know what research was done.
Det. Poling: You know what I’m saying?
Megan: Yeah I do, I understand
Det. Poling: I guess sometimes I’m not clear in what I say…
Mr. Proctor: I think it was really clear and I think what she’s saying is she doesn’t know
Megan: Yeah, I don’t know
Det. Diskin: Do you purge toxins by vomiting?
Megan: Yeah…
Det. Diskin: Was there any research done by anybody to make sure that that was okay?
Megan: Not that I’m aware of. You know for me I just heard James say it…
Det. Diskin: Okay. Do you recall a time, at which point Tere had a meeting with you and James Ray? Do you recall that?
Megan: I don’t necessarily remember it.
Det. Diskin: Do you remember that at all?
Megan: I don’t remember, I mean I don’t remember specifically… I would imagine that the three of us would talk.
Det. Poling: What does he (James Ray) do that’s special?
Megan: I don’t know.
Det. Poling: …they paid for this before they know about what’s gonna happen.
Megan: Generally yeah unless… I just don’t know.
Det. Diskin: What specifically was done differently in 2006 to prevent the problems that happened in 2005?
Megan: I wish that I could remember… I know we added tarps…
Det. Diskin: I’m not trying to get you to say something you can’t remember.
Megan: I, personally remember James like joking about it.
Det. Poling: So I’m saying in 2006, did it feel not hot enough to you or did it feel the same?
Megan: I don’t know.
Det. Diskin: What specifically was done to make it hotter?
Megan: I don’t know. It’s all hot.
Det. Diskin: Okay and let me ask you this. What was your role specifically just inside the sweat lodge?
Megan: Uhm I don’t recall specifically.
Det. Diskin: Okay. Alright. Well, we’ll get back to the sweat lodge, are you aware of an incident that happened where somebody got an arrow stuck in his eye?
Megan: I don’t remember what year that was.
Det. Diskin: Quantum Leap 2007 his name is Kurt Reinkens …arrow broke and went through his eye lid. Do you remember that incident?
Megan: Not specifically. I’m aware that there has been someone who had a shard of wood in their eye…
Det. Diskin: Okay… we’re told that staff were wearing safety goggles, yet the participants were not given any, do you remember that?
Megan: Uhm I, I mean I can’t recall specifically, I wish I could remember better.
Det. Diskin: Okay. 2007, Do you remember any problems, specific problems in the sweat lodge?
Megan: Uhm, not specifically.
Det. Poling: How many people were throwing up in 2007 or 2008 that you noticed
Megan: Oh I don’t know
Det. Poling: Well you were helping people, correct?
Megan: Once I got out of the lodge, yeah, I mean I don’t remember…
Det. Poling: What did you observe?
Megan: I don’t, I don’t remember. I don’t know. I wish I could remember but I don’t.
Det. Diskin: You don’t remember her being unconscious?
Megan: …maybe I have a different understanding of unconscious.
Det. Diskin: You know, their eyes roll back in their head, their not responding to anything, therefore their unconscious?
Megan: Right and maybe. I mean maybe I have this different interpretation…
Det. Diskin: What causes somebody to be unresponsive?
Megan: I don’t know.
Det. Diskin: You don’t know? Do you think that would be important as the Director of Operations to know?
Megan: You know I, I think it could be important…
Det. Diskin: Okay. Coleen Conway, we were told that staff members were encouraged to belittle people. Are you familiar with anything like that?
Megan: …you know, that’s possible.
Det. Diskin: ..did James Ray or his staff, tell participants that they would experience an altered state in the sweat lodge?
Megan: I don’t recall specifically… James uses the word altered state a lot…
Det. Diskin: You said that James may have said that you might receive an altered state is that correct?
Megan: Yeah, yeah, I don’t remember specifically.
Det. Diskin: In the sweat lodge you’re sitting by the door most of the time, correct? Where you’re getting fresh air?
Megan: You don’t really get much fresh air anywhere because it’s Arizona…
Det. Poling: You’re a reasonable person… Scratch that, I’ll think of it again…
Det. Diskin: Do you have any concerns about people passing out or what could cause people to pass out as the Director of Operations?
Mr. Proctor: Does she have concerns today?
Det. Diskin: Well obviously today you have concerns cause people died.
Megan: Sure
Det. Diskin: …if he tells them it’s okay to pass out that would imply that there’s no need to exit the lodge if you feel like you’re gonna pass out, is that correct?
Megan: I, I don’t know cause you’re asking me to remember…
Det. Diskin: Okay the concern is, pretty much all the participants have told us that you could pass out but James Ray said it’s okay and then they pass out and then they die. That’s the concern.
Megan: And like I said I wish, I mean I don’t remember. I don’t, I mean to me it doesn’t, I never understood…
Det. Diskin: Was there a plan should something go wrong?
Megan: No.
Det. Diskin: Alright uhm I’m gonna try and move through this a little faster. Did you see people at different stages of the sweat lodge being dragged out?
Megan: Yes I remember specific, I mean I remember one person and I don’t know…
Det. Diskin: Okay. Beverly Bunn in round four tried to leave. Do you recall this, first of all, Beverly Bunn trying to leave in round four?
Megan: Sorry, thanks for asking me that, I don’t, you know I don’t remember.
Det. Diskin: Okay. After the sweat lodge was over did James Ray help anyone?
Megan: Uhm, yes. Uhm and he, he was specifically talking to a couple of folks who I know are from Canada.
Det. Poling: I always thought sweat lodges were peaceful experiences but obviously this one’s not like that. You wouldn’t know the difference cause you’ve never been trained on sweat lodges, you’ve never researched sweat lodges.
Megan: Yeah
Mr. Proctor: …is that a question?
Det. Diskin: No, she wouldn’t know to answer that cause she has never seen another sweat lodge.
Mr. Proctor: I wouldn’t be concerned about it.
Det. Diskin: …witnesses, some, have told us that James Ray did absolutely nothing to help anybody.
Megan: I’m not medically trained so I didn’t step in…
Det. Diskin: (shows her a picture of them at the scene) Do you remember people in the area that were either unconscious or vomiting or having severe issues on the ground or screaming? And why, I mean it kind of looks like you guys are just casually standing there…it doesn’t look like you guys are doing anything, or helping people get medical attention, anything like that.
Megan: Well sure, I mean there’s a lot of, of kind of judgment that you could make from what’s going on.
Det. Diskin: Prior to the paramedics arriving, did James Ray or his staff tell participants who were able, to go back to their rooms?
Megan: I don’t recall specifically, I don’t.
Det. Diskin: The concern is that people were told to go back to their rooms as the paramedics were coming down the hill and some of those people clearly were in medical distress and needed medical attention.
…and so that’s why it’s important to kind of remember if, did you or somebody check these people out and say, “Your okay, you can go back to your room.”
Megan: I didn’t send anyone away who couldn’t get up and walk… I mean I was concerned about people being, you know wet.
Det. Diskin: Okay, several people have told us that after things started to slow down you and Josh and Greg Hartle hid out in the gift shop so you wouldn’t have to talk to law enforcement. Is that true?
Megan: No I was sent by James to call the attorneys.. Micheal had me go to the gift shop. He said it would be a quiet place… no one ever wanted to talk to me while I was there.
Det. Diskin: The reason I brought it up is cause we look back we would think you would be an important person to interview.
Megan: I would too, really, but no one did.
Det. Poling: What I’m trying to figure out is I don’t know where you were at and I knew that all the participants were in the cafeteria… but we couldn’t find you. All’s I’m asking is where did you go during that time?
Megan: I was, I mean the gift shop the entire time.
Det. Poling: How come we didn’t find you?
Megan: I think at one time. <— her complete verbatim answer
(now talking about the email she sent out regarding the event)
Det. Diskin: ..why say, "We had a great time, some people have taken ill." Why make it sound like it's no big deal?
Mr. Proctor: You know what? If you want her to answer it, I'm gonna let her. I really am. …frankly I don't want you guys to mess up what you've got going by asking questions that you shouldn't be asking.
Megan: …we were under the advice of legal counsel as to what the wording was… I think that's why I'm having such a hard time remembering, I mean it was all the advice of lawyers and PR.
Det. Diskin: Okay. When people sign up for Spiritual Warrior, this is public knowledge, they don't know that there's gonna be a sweat lodge or a Vision Quest is that correct?
Megan: James uses, sales terminology and stuff to let them know the benefits… I realize I'm like shivering, you're not scaring me, I'm just like really cold.
Mr. Proctor: Right now I feel that, that's really weird.
Det. Diskin: 68 degrees for optimal learning.
Det. Poling: (if they choose not to participate) …Why don't they get a refund?
Megan: James Ray International has a no refund policy
Mr. Proctor: …did it happen that people canceled because of medical reasons?
Megan: I don't know.
Det. Poling: I am talking right, correct?
Megan: Right.
Det. Diskin: Do you remember leaving a voice mail for Melinda Martin in the weeks after the sweat lodge incident?
Megan: Uhm, I, God, getting rid of stuff?
Det. Diskin: ..we went there and didn't find hardly anything from the Spiritual Warrior which we thought was odd cause we found all kinds of stuff for all the other events but for some reason Spiritual Warrior was, hardly anything was there.
Megan: Huh. No. You know, like, I mean what I, like I said before I feel, I mean everything that we did was… No, like really I don't know what, what, I mean why would we get rid of anything?
Det. Diskin: I don't know but somebody did cause it wasn't there and you were the Director of Operations.
Det. Diskin: If you have stuff that you think is important for us to know we'll be happy to document that.
Megan: Thank you. I don't, it's all up to you.
Det. Diskin: Yeah I think we're done. Thanks.
Megan: Thanks so much for your time, I appreciate it.
Det. Diskin: Alright.
To Megan: You are being woefully mislead by your lawyers. Get an independent lawyer RIGHT NOW – DON'T LET JRI PAY YOUR LEGAL FEES – Then call up Det. Diskin and tell him everything you know, cause, well, I mean, uhm, gosh, I don't know, but you've got about 4 days to save your immunity deal… Count on it.
End Note: …and Megan – for future reference, if you sense the Detective is getting really pissed off during an Immunity "Free Talk" session – that's a bad thing.
TL/DR – Megan's going to Jail for non-compliance with her Immunity deal.
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