James Arthur Ray’s Television Favorites
Colleen Conaway’s death this July did not make the news. James Arthur Ray and his staff didn’t even think it was significant enough to justify the timely identification of her body :: or an announcement to the other participants in the intensive $4000 per head seminar that she had tragically died during the reckless outing.
Jane Doe was dead :: off their hands. Let the State and her family clean up the mess :: they’d keep all of her money :: it’s a win win for James Ray International and James Ray International :: both HUGE winners.
But now the gross injustice done to Colleen comes back to slap Death Ray in his ignorant :: lying :: stealing :: megalomaniacal :: fat face. Last night Colleen’s story was finally told in the television press. Stories ran on both CNN and on ABC’s Nightline. Neither of which can be embedded here because the old media companies are both blind and stupid.
The stories weren’t as good as mine {of course!} :: how could you not include the recordings of Michelle Goulet calling Colleen’s cell phone? It’s like the creepiest thing ever …
{the calm voice that comes from a dead heart} “Umm, Hi Colleen … this is Michelle from James Ray International …”
{robot voice … full of rage} “Umm, Hi Michelle … Colleen can’t come to the phone right now. BECAUSE SHE’S DEAD YOU LITTLE FREAK!! DEAD!! AND YOU TOTALLY FUCKING KNOW ABOUT IT TOO! YOU JUST WALKED AWAY FROM HER BODY! So put down the phone … and go find religion.”
… but they were both still good. The NightLine story was especially good. They coaxed a statement out of JRI about Colleen and quoted this bit …
“There is no evidence whatsoever that Mr. Ray or JRI contributed to or could have prevented Ms. Conaway’s tragic suicide.”
Sounds good! Except for the fact that she died while under his care :: smeared with dirt :: short on sleep :: stripped of identification :: and her death was covered up. Other than that “there is no evidence whatsoever” … I’m sure that’s what they meant.
And a key detail was revealed {good job TV news} :: James Arthur Ray was on the bus to the mall.
Details added by The Droid right now {eat my dust TV news} ::
1. James Ray’s brother was also on the bus.
2. So was Michelle Goulet.
3. On the bus ride home … Colleen wasn’t the only person missing.
Stay tuned :: we are just getting started.
Hey James Ray :: I say this to all of my friends …
You’re Welcome.
>> bleep bleep
{Please notice that :: around here at least :: Colleen is 17 again. Big shout out to her tonight … I hope … I got your back chick.}
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UPDATE :: Dec 15th, 2009 :: Gary Tuchman’s CNN story available for embed …
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:: read one now before you die of stupid.
I know you’ve mentioned this before, but it bears repeating, that Colleen had pre-paid for the Spiritual Warrior seminar which she was too dead to attend, and James Ray KEPT HER MONEY.
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Of course he kept her money, she didn’t go through all the steps to qualify for a refund, duh. Being dead is no excuse for not attending the seminar, sitting through the dinner etc.
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That is a beautiful photo of Colleen. Thank you for honoring her memory in such a kind and honest way. I will never, ever refer to Colleen as a suicide. To me she will always be a wonderful soul who was the victim of a vile, heartless, evil egomaniac. Thank you for what you are doing. You are a kind and noble android.
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This story from Australia tells of a woman with no history of psychological problems, who died in a similar manner to Colleen, after a self-help group. The staff weren’t qualified and weren’t capable of even recognising, let alone dealing with her condition.
http://www.news.com.au/national/course-to-blame-for-rebekah-lawrences-death-leap/story-e6frfkwi-1225808213255
Given that Ray’s techniques are specifically designed to dismantle peoples personal defenses and boundaries, it would not surprise me if a similar thing happened to Colleen. Of course, I’m not qualified either to say anything like that, but the similarities are striking.
How many other victims does Ray have? The calm way he and his fellow crims quietly abandoned their “dearly loved friend” makes it look like standard procedure.
Good to see AF grant speaking out so clearly. Ray could learn a lot from his followers.
Also, I want to wish James Ray and certain staff members a very long and fruitful learning experience in an enclosed space.
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SD Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Big fat amen to every word of that.
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Julie Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
I couldn’t agree more, @Yakaru. And I, too, was impressed to see AF Grant speak out the way he did — a brave and noble act, indeed.
Meanwhile, JA Ray and his staff have proven themselves to be nothing but a bunch of guilt-ridden, pathetic, and substanceless COWARDS.
I am wishing Colleen Conaway’s family peace and comfort. May time heal…And may justice be served.
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Oh and James Ray is not the only secreteer to practice those methods. The whole lot of them got on the band wagon HOPING to make their millions and ride off into the sunset. The trouble is they just didnt get the fact that sunset meant FIRE!
I have no sympathy for any of those people especially none for people like James Ray, David Schirmer, Joe Vitale who have all shown that money means far more than ethics or credibility.
Shame on them all. It is completely disgraceful what they do.
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ANON 2 Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
I am not aware of Joe Vitale doing anything in his events that puts people in physical harm or uses advanced mind control techniques and Group mind to control. Joe might love the money, but he is not dangerous in the same way as James Ray.
Schirmer? He’s dangerous to your pocketbook, bank account and mental well being, but again never been aware of him physically putting people in harm without regard for human life like James Ray has evidenced.
All 3 might not have ethics – but James Ray is downright DANGEROUS, that is a big difference.
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I hope that the person who appeared on the Secret Movie that I told to his face that he “takes people to a place where they could easily do away with themselves” has some very serious thoughts over all of this. This is a very serious situation that has been covered up for years and I believe that the people conducting these seminars are so focused on their own get rich quick intentions that they are completely blinded to what they are doing to other peoples lives.
I do hope that the outcome of all of this is that this industry is finally regulated. That anyone who claims to be an “expert” a “teacher” or a “guru” of any of these principles, who take payment for that claim and offer a service must first provide proof of their ability to understand and apply the principles and then understand the implications of the psychological manipulation that they inflict on other peoples lives. These events (and I have attended many) are often very poorly and inexpertly delivered without any proof being provided of the credibility of the person delivering the messages (allbeit their own interpretation of the material they are presenting which is usually someone elses material). There is no opportunity to question that interpretation and any challenge is met with the words “you are being negative” and that peoples becomes a fatal faux pas. It has been mentioned on so many blogs that all of these “self appointed” gurus conduct themselves in the same way when they are challenged. They deliberately remove all negativity, blame the victims and throw questions back in peoples faces instead of confronting the issue and accepting responsibility for their part in any conflict. Not one person that I attended courses with had anything more than a title (their own version of a qualification) that they had given themselves for the purposes of marketing their seminars for money.
There is also one word which these self appointed gurus absolutely hate to hear and that is the word “victim”. They, with their no qualification brain, have concluded in their own greedy small minds that no-one could possibly by their “victim”. Well I think that word has finally sadly and literally “hit the concrete”. No longer will people accept what they say about themselves as truth and unquestionable.
I have moved right away from everything concerning this material and feel totally liberated. I’ve had my eyes opened and was shocked at the vision before me. I’ve seen everything from the inside out and that was enough to confirm everything that I ever tried to deny was actually happening. Sadly there are people who have not yet come to that realisation and for those people I truly feel empathy and I hope that they do eventually see things for what they really are.
It is too late for the people whose lives were taken too early but it is not too late for the authorities to put in place very strict regulations on anyone assuming the role of a true professional …… for money. Lets not forget that money is the driving forced behind ALL of this. You’ve got to wonder what have we come to?
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Pfft Pfft Pfft. You’d have to say that these people qualify as people who “think they think”
….. fraction of a quote stolen from George Bernard Shaw for the purposes of making a bloody point to somebody.
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wait a minute…. SaltyDroid what the fuck is going on?? Goulet knew Colleen was missing, went back and partied, took a break to call the cell phone they told her to leave with them and is still walking around up to this day pretending nothing’s wrong.
I mean if they were just lame asses that like to take people’s phones ok whatever, but they wouldn’t be so stupid as to call the very phone they confiscated when they are sitting right there in a box infront of their asses. I mean you can’t be a bimbo and then be able to work at such a high level in a company, even if they are selling snake oil, you still have to know a thing or two to keep that charade up in terms of money, accounting, taxes, and being able to read people, knowing how to persuade etc
This is a red flag and it’s weird nobody mentioned James Ray’s brother was on that bus.. was the father also there?
Did anyone else see that piece by Rumor Rat about James Ray choking cats as a kid in Oklahoma? Supposedly, he would choke cats and then revive them back to life and then tell other kids he was god. He and his father running around telling people they were gods and then they were run out of that town
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Running around playing god is a game that some people seem to be tossing around right now. If there is anything that is a red rag its a fat ugly sleazy guy with questionable motives claiming to have all the answers to everyones every problem that ever existed. What say we start digging up more dirt on a fat guys past, his family, particularly his siblings, his abilities (or lack of), his qualifications (or lack of), his business relationship (all failures), his sleazy texts, late night calls and out of hours rendezvous (mommy dont know about that lot huh tiger). And yet the same people are so outspoken about their perceived abilities in this world when clearly they have none (except for manipulating other peoples lives for their own benefit), and the fact that quoting the holy book is a convenient past time that justifies every shit thing you’ve ever done in life (or at least it gives people something to believe) and it makes a loser feel real good and real important.
Why dont we all play the game.
Yep there are two types of people in this world those who think they are God and those who really do pray from their heart of hearts and make a real difference in this world.
And some sad wankers are just so slow they just doesn’t get it….at all.
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Thank all of you for your concern for colleen, and our family…I would like to invite all of you to watch Geraldo on fox sunday night….lynn and I are scheduled to appear and tell colleens tragic story….Once again thank you for yous support…..john
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Yakaru Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
John,
Colleen’s story really touched me. I have a bit of experience doing “spiritual” groups, though nothing as intense and dangerous as the ones Ray has been running. What I did see once though, was how a participant slipped into a psychosis in during a particularly intense process. It seemed to happen so easily.
Luckily for him, the group leader recognised it and had an emergency doctor there in 5 minutes, who organised to have him carried out by trained emergency workers. (The group was stopped. Some of us visited him him in the clinic during his recovery.)
The whole point of these sorts of groups is of course to face fears in way we usually can’t. Of course it’s a risk. It takes a lot of courage and committment. Colleen obviously went into the process whole-heartedly and extremely courageously. The tragic end showed her courage, will power and her total commitment to what she had set herself before going into the group.
She wasn’t to know that what she paid for didn’t include even the most basic safety considerations, or even the slightest interest in her well-being. The picture montage Droid put together above couldn’t show it more clearly.
She wasn’t to know that the crawling scumbag who was running the show didn’t know even the basics of what he was teaching, and has obviously never himself experienced the kind of mental space he was pushing people into. He also doesn’t have an ounce of the courage and integrity that Colleen showed.
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Karin Hiebert Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
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Flo Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Agreed! If I committed suicide at any event (or even in some regular place like the grocery store) I’d want my friends and family to thoroughly INVESTIGATE the TRAGEDY.
Karin, if Colleen was not smiling before, why would she be smiling now? I am not sure what you meant by that.
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Karin Hiebert Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
@Flo…
What I meant was that she is probably smiling now that her death is being investigated a little bit more…
I know it would make ME smile…
:)
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SD Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Good luck John and Lynn :: I’m sure you’re going to do great {again}. Try and have some fun in New York … you are currently carrying an unfair share of the burden. Thanks a lot from all of us.
Does anyone have a pair of anti-Geraldo glasses I can borrow so I can watch it without getting mustache overload? {also I think it would best … for the children … if I’m unable to hear him as well}.
@Yakaru :: Well said … as usual.
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Thankyou for letting us know John, we will be watching. I dont think anyone can afford to miss it.
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To John:
Thank you for the heads-up regarding Geraldo. I hope that James Ray will be brought to justice.
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OMG!!! Look what @RWRenfrew {my current hero} just found on Twitter.
Greg Hartle :: Senior James Ray International staffer {pictured on this blog at the death party :: http://saltydroid.info/thousands-of-words/ }
July 25th on Twitter :: Just witnessed a woman jump several stories down onto pure concrete. I gotta say it was disturbing. I’m sending her my love right now.
wtf wtf wtf
Great job Rachelle!
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re the above …. Greg Hartle’s tweets are now protected .. the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
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SD Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Too late Chump! We already saw it … it’s on the record now.
here comes trouble …
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AF Grant Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
How was this tweet not known till today? SD, didn’t you know Greg worked for JRI?
Yes, it’s really me.
AF
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SD Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Hey Andy!
Yeah I did know. And one of the first things I did was find all the James Ray staffers I could and check their tweets on the 25th. I can’t believe I missed it!
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A tip of Rumor Rat’s hat to saltydroid for its outstanding reportage since Day One of the James Arthur Ray sweat lodge debacle.
We do our best at The Rat to stay on top of this story, but concede the blue ribbon for best coverage to the Droid.
-The Big Cheese
http://www.RumorRat.com
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Time for the San Diego police to reopen the investigation into Colleen Conaway’s death, and haul in Greg Hartle. Forthwith.
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Hippo Reply:
December 11th, 2009 at 8:31 am
How on earth are they going to prove anything? I don’t see where they can make a case unless somebody witnessed whatever JRI did to Colleen and is willing to tell the police.
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percutaneous pulmonary infinity traits Reply:
December 11th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
even the most perfect crime cover up still leaves clues..lots of killers were confident before DNA was discovered…only diff is ..now what took 20 years to discover may only take 3 or 4.
Don’t be to sure about there not being any proof or no witnesses
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Hippo Reply:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
To P P I T:
Well, I certainly hope you’re right. Maybe I’m just stupid, but I can’t see where DNA could be helpful in this case. I’m leaning more toward hoping that ex-staff members could admit what they witnessed, assuming that Colleen was brow-beaten, which we don’t know if she actually was.
I feel that James Ray is without a doubt responsible for this woman’s death, but proving it is going to be difficult.
There might be a similarity in this case to another case, the Megan Meier/Lori Drew case, where a woman incited a teenager to commit suicide over the internet. So far, that woman has not served any jail time, although her life has pretty much been ruined by losing her business, her marriage, and having to live in hiding. I realize that the cases are not the same, but they share some factors.
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OMG at what point does this information become IMPORTANT? I can’t believe what I read.
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holy shit how did this get missed??? or was this tweeted tonight?? Either way this is freaky
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The San Diego police reckon they won’t reopen the case unless new evidence comes to light. There it is. I guess they would use it as evidence that they didn’t know it was Colleen, but it also shows they weren’t monitoring the situation. I dunno, but I fear they could wriggle out of their culpability unless it can be shown that they 100% knew what happened and covered their tracks.
JRI’s curious statement proclaiming “there is no evidence” sounds a bit like they’re repeating something they heard from police. (It certainly didn’t sound like the words of a shocked and saddened group of people who are searching their hearts to see if there was anything they could’ve or should’ve done.)
Great work on exposing and naming these rat scum, Droid.
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This is some of the best citizen journalism I’ve seen. The standard media is running multiple weeks behind, and doesn’t have the guts to report all the facts. Thank you for continuing to uncover the details about Colleen Conaway. You’re the man, Droid!
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Quick Note ::
Colleen’s family is taping with Geraldo tonight … but it’s not actually going to air until later this week.
Maybe I’ll watch Geraldo tonight anyway :: wait :: no.
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Hippo Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:21 am
To Salty:
I had thought that the story was going to be on last night, so I watched.
I didn’t catch any diseases from Geraldo’s moustache, so maybe it’s safe now.
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SD Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
@Hippo
I watched a bit too cause it was already set to record. I really liked the part where some lady from some reality show came on to give her “expert” opinion about what Tiger should do about his marriage. Important stuff … I should really watch more TV.
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Hippo Reply:
December 27th, 2009 at 10:32 am
To Salty:
I tried watching Geraldo again last night (12/26) in hopes that this segment would be on. However, his entire show was pre-empted by coverage of the attempted terrorist attack in Michigan.
So I am still in the dark as to when this will air.
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john graham Reply:
January 6th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Sorry everyone…we found out today that our story on geraldo was shown on sunday.January 4th…we were told we would get a call before it aired, but, alas no call…..go to geraldo at large and watch if you like…Once again. THANK YOU…for all your support….stay tuned…
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SD Reply:
January 6th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Here’s the link :: http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/28192092/deadly-connection.htm :: if it becomes embedable … I’ll do so.
I like how they say she’s “allegedly” dead :: and “supposedly.” She’s dead FOX … that’s not the “alleged” part.
Let me help you out …
Allegedly: People are being purposely manipulated into unhealthy states of mind where taking their money {or convincing them to go deep into debt} will be easier. James Arthur Ray knew that death was one of the side effects of these techniques … but he continued to amp up the aggression anyway so that he could buy sports cars and designer steroids. And yet :: James Ray was just one tiny part of a whole cabal of cross promoting evil doers ALL with consciously criminal intentions. Most of whom continue to grind up human beings like sausages.
… allegedly.
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A link from Senor Reporter at the Arizona Daily Star :: Sweet
http://regulus2.azstarnet.com/blogs/senorreporter/17672/is-this-a-mass-suicide-ex-james-ray-employee-speaks-out-on-sedona-sweat-lodge-deaths
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Name Not Important Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Oh My God! Did I read this wrong, or did Ray actually say this in reference to Colleen?
“When Martin brought up the missing woman to Ray herself, at the seminar the next day, he said “We have found her, she is fine, and she’s decided not to return to the event,” Martin said.”
OK, aside from the reporter’s slight grammatical error that caused me to read that sentence twice before being clear on his meaning, did Ray actually claim to have found Colleen alive and well?
Or is this another case of his creepy view of death like when he said the Death Lodge folks were having such a nice out of body experience that they decided not to come back?
Either way…who IS this insane lunatic and why is he still free?
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SD Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
@NotImportant :: Yeah crazy right? He lied to more than one person about it on Sunday :: and it seems that anyone on staff who asked about it was told not to ask a second time.
Why is he still free? Why?
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A good story with some new details from the newspaper in Colleen’s hometown.
http://www.parkrapidsenterprise.com/event/article/id/21161/
Sounds like they have been trying to get a comment out of James Ray International since July … I guess JRI were too busy planning their next set of deaths to reply.
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Hippo Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Thank goodness the information is getting out there. The San Diego authorities may not be able to make a criminal case, but the press is at least making an impact.
Sadly, the three sweat lodge deaths seem to have been the impetus to give Colleen the respect she deserves.
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Interesting article with more insight into Colleen’s background. Now that I understand more about her, it’s easier to see how her trip ended in tragedy, with loss of life.
She’s from a small town and probably not accustomed to regular business travel, navigating may different airports and getting around in strange cities like many of us. Having stayed at that Weston connected to Horton and shopped there several times, I’m sure it could be very intimidating to someone from a small town. Horton is a very tall structure with many stories as I recall. Loud and noisy and usually packed with shoppers. And very easy to get dizzy in or become disoriented in – especially if you’ve been on some homeless exercise and haven’t eaten in awhile. Or if you’ve been fasting.
That’s the question here. Did Ray have these people fasting or was she doing it on her own? Perhaps difficult for some, particularly men, to understand, but for a female of petite size, it’s quite easy to become almost psychotic if you haven’t been able to stomach food or sleep much for several days. For whatever the reason, medical illness or otherwise.
Take Colleen – fasting for several days, all alone in a strange place that probably seemed surreal to her – I can understand what would have caused her to jump.
Unaware of who James Arthur Ray was prior to this, he makes me absolutely sick. I saw part of his video. You create your own luck, as he likes to say. He preys on these unsuspecting vulnerable people by creating false hopes and promises with his psycho new age bullshit and he needs to be held accountable for his actions. The self help industry needs to be regulated too and these deaths caused by Ray should be the impetus.
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You know, I’ve been meaning to say this for a while…
I’m all for self improvement (emphasis on the word “self”, as in, only I can do the work needed to improve my own damn self, thank you very much) and I am all for positive thinking. These two concepts are absolutely the way I live my own life. Always seeing the bright side, always looking for ways to improve my life and my personal experience.
And I spend a lot of quiet time reading tips, quotes, observations, and advice from a wide variety of “self help” types, in all aspects of life. I find the differing perspectives interesting and valuable, in that I take in all kinds of viewpoints and adapt them to my own view of what’s right for my own life.
So, I can understand and appreciate why there are many different views on each subject, whether it is about money, business, personal goals, spiritual stuff, and so forth. Diversity in thought and viewpoints is what makes this world so interesting.
BUT
The ONLY ones that tend to have any long term credibility are those who don’t try and pretend they know everything, and more importantly, don’t try to convince anyone that theirs is the ONLY way to think or act.
I’ve noticed a consistency across all scumbags.
They all seem to preach that THEY are masters in whatever they want you to buy. Masters. They don’t say “Hey, I’ve learned a few things about ___ and am willing to teach what I know about it. It won’t be right for everyone, but if you’re interested in learning it, here’s how”
No, they put themselves up on a massively tall pedestal and claim they know everything.
Everyone has something they are good at. Everyone has something to offer. And yes, one should be paid for their efforts in organizing their thoughts in a meaningful way (books, audios, videos, etc)
But NO ONE is a master in anything. No one is 100% right every time. And no one holds the key to anyone else’s success in anything.
To claim otherwise is the height of arrogance.
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Oh, and as if killing people weren’t bad enough, Jame Arthur Ray is so much of a dumbass that he didn’t think to remove his dead victims from his mass mailing list.
He emailed his dead victim to invite him to his upcoming life-changing event.
http://powip.com/2009/12/james-arthur-ray-emails-guy-he-killed/
How sweet.
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Hippo Reply:
December 17th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Un-fucking-believable.
And I thought that Ray couldn’t top the 50% refund he sent to Kirby Brown’s mother.
I was wrong. This guy just keeps out-doing himself.
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