Sheeple Part 2 :: Conformity

Asch-Turd-Matching

Asch-Turd-Matching

Which of the three turds on the right :: matches the turd on the left?  Wait :: Wait :: Don’t answer that yet.  First let the other people at your table answer …

Al Gore:  The correct answer is one … the hot chick at the death cover up party.

Bono:  It’s one … the dancing dark demon of disco.

Abraham Lincoln:  One.

Britney Spears: It’s one … “Oops, sometimes people die at the mall” girl.

… okay now you.  And everyone is going to hear your answer.

In the Asch Confromity Experiment :: it’s not Gandhi and Cher at the table with you.  It’s just five other buttholes with bad 70’s haircuts.  But when the BadHaricut ButtHoles put their unanimous support behind a series of obviously wrong answers :: 35% of Sheeple will fall into total conformity with the BullShit :: 75% will defy their eyes at least once.

Just like in the Milgram experiment :: the presence of a dissenter had a dramatic effect.  Even if the dissenter also made an incorrect choice … as long as group unanimity was broken … test subjects were much more likely to maintain their independence.

Quoting from Solomon Asch’s orignal 1955 article {link} ::

“Life in society requires consensus as an indispensable condition. But consensus, to be productive, requires that each individual contribute independently out of his experience and insight. When consensus comes under the dominance of conformity, the social process is polluted and the individual at the same time surrenders the powers on which his functioning as a feeling and thinking being depends. That we have found the tendency to conformity in our society so strong that reasonably intelligent and well-meaning young people are willing to call white black is a matter of concern. It raises questions about our ways of education and about the values that guide our conduct.”

Indeed.

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26 thoughts on “Sheeple Part 2 :: Conformity”

  1. I don’t think anyone should conform, we should all make a pact and  not conform together!
    Unless you guys don’t want to not conform….then I will not not conform either.
    Is that okay with you Salty….cuz whatever you say goes… :)
     
     
     
     

  2. quite frightening these videos and both sheeple parts, especially the young girl who just kept shocking the person she thought she was testing. She had no signs of distress and simply did as she was told, after all she looks like she was just trying to be the good girl she’s been taught to be all her life, to be obedient.
    Also, interesting to know that it only took 1 person to actively oppose the herd to make the whole group lose it’s power.

  3. The young girl in the first experiment (shocks) was an absolute automaton. She was just brainlessly smiling while shocking the person without any feelings or thought whatsoever. Like a robot. Can you imagine being married to that? You never know when you’ll wake up with an axe in your forehead. One guy that went all the way also said “it was my job”. And then we wonder why mass murder happens. People are not dissenters but sheep.

    George Carlin had a good segment on “what beasts we people really are” in his “Life is worth losing” HBO special.

  4. Salty, thank you for connecting the dots on this one. I’ve noticed a lot of commenters focusing on “why did people listen to this dirt bag anyway”, and the implication seems to be that people who obey or conform to social groups are somehow “dumber” than the rest of us.
     
    The fact is, anyone, from genius to “less than genius” can easily fall into traps, whether we want to admit it to ourselves or not.
     
    Social conformity and the blind obedience of “authority figures” is built into our genetics, and the more we try and pretend that “it couldn’t happen to me, because I’m smarter”, the less likely we are to spot the evil leader when he or she appears.
     
    We practice how to be sheeple at a very young age. The school system is built to encourage children NOT to question authority. Parents and teachers are quick to stop little Johnny from questioning his elders. Why then, are we surprised when as adults, we are incapable of truly thinking for ourselves?
     
    The best thing we can do for ourselves and for each other is to introduce a little bit of shake-up into each other’s lives, much like what you’re doing, Salty. What you are doing on this blog is important work. You’re making people question authority, and you’re proving the Asch experiment in the process, by creating a NEW social group.
     
    I encourage everyone reading this blog to continue to…
     
    Question and scrutinize. Ask and ask as many questions as possible. Trust your OWN instinct, and don’t automatically believe anything you hear from anyone. After all, it may turn out that you’re being experimented upon, much like the Milgram and Asch experiments, just to satisfy someone’s twisted curiosity about how far YOU’RE willing to go down the slippery slope of immorality.

  5. excellent comment above its amazing the difference just one person can make…..used to be we could just excuse ourselves from any responsibility but having seen this changes the rules……everyone reading this is now personally respponsible

    “Any injustice somewhere is a threat to justice everywhere” MLK

  6. Yeah yeah I know all this and see the irony of the people that praise your (sometimes hysterical) spewing forth of vitriol, without doing a damn thing about it. I don’t like the “if you are not with me, your for them” type of crowd developing, nor the demeaning of anyone that does try to help you, but not help in the way you want.
    You want people to support you Salty but alas I find your style, and sometimes substance, too much to put my support behind. Sure your personal branding has made you stand out, but make you about as credible as some of the targets you go after.
    I drop in to see if there are new people and stories, but I am not seeing action, just hate-filled words.

  7. ~ Useless comment by @franksgaycousintrey / @voiceofreason ~

    “Ever seen The Shawshank Redemption, Dave? “Hope is a good thing, Red. Maybe the best thing. And no good thing ever dies.”

    If you don’t have hope, aren’t you…um…hopeless?

    Of course they’re selling hope. EVERYONE is selling hope.

    Charles Revson, founder of Revlon nailed it, and summed it up perfectly, when he said, “In the factory we make cosmetics; in the store we sell hope.” “In our factory, we make lipstick. In our advertising, we sell hope,” is also attributed to him.

    Of course these people push the emotional hot buttons that sell their products. The only question is, is there value in what they sell?

    And yeah, I hear what you’re saying, and there is a “danger” in blanket statements that just taking their course, you’ll be changed. Not at all. It’s insanity to think that the mountain of info he dumps on people in four days, or in his personal power program can be absorbed and adopted in one sit through.

    Like I’ve said before, I first discovered Robbins over 20 years ago. It was gold, and the basic broad stroke principles changed my life. I absolutely swear by this shit. Statemanagment? Belief creation and monitoring? Taking control over your brain so that your internal representations and physiology are putting you in–and keeping you in–the most resourceful and positive states? Sorry, salty and all the asshole losers on that forum link you sent me, but that is an irrefutable golden skill.

    His stuff isn’t meant to be read like a Dan Brown novel (“ah, that was a good read, now it’s on to the new Harry Potter book”). The idea of going to his 4 day seminar and thinking you’re going to walk away “finished” and transformed is beyond insane. But if you study the info, make it part of your every day life until it becomes an ingrained second nature habit? Then you can’t help but be changed. You absolutely cannot fucking help but be changed. And no, it’s not anything to fucking do with worship. Or thinking he’s some kind of a messiah. Anyone thinking of firing back with that shit is just playing the self esteem defence game.

    Now, yeah, I think Robbins is probably guilty of not stressing this fact–that what he’s teaching takes time and hard work to learn, apply and make a part of your life. But, once you’re in the door, he does say it, though.

    He’s not going to say it in his literature, though (because people don’t want to hear that shit–even though it’s true, and common sense), although I think it could be said powerfully and effectively–you’re basically throwing down a challenge when you sait…”If you’re a loser looking for a quick fix without any work or effort, this isn’t for you. Don’t waste your time–what you’re looking for doesn’t exist. But if you’re willing to embark on the adventure of putting in the hard work to reinvent your life by learning to control and work your mind, then you will see results that will shock you and move you in a direction you’ve only dreamed about, up until now.”

    What can I say…if you’re so fucking retarded that you think sitting through a 4 day lecture is going to be the start and stop of changing your life, if you think listening passively to a 30 day program like Personal Power in your car on the way to and from work is all you need to do to change your life, if you think reading a 500 page book once, before going to bed each night for a couple of weeks is going to get you anywhere, then you’re just as stupid as idiots handing over money to a Nigerian in exchange for a big cut of his inheritance he’s trying to get released. I don’t have much sympathy, at all, for such stupid people.
    Ever seen The Shawshank Redemption, Dave? “Hope is a good thing, Red. Maybe the best thing. And no good thing ever dies.” If you don’t have hope, aren’t you…um…hopeless? Of course they’re selling hope. EVERYONE is selling hope. Charles Revson, founder of Revlon nailed it, and summed it up perfectly, when he said, “In the factory we make cosmetics; in the store we sell hope.” “In our factory, we make lipstick. In our advertising, we sell hope,” is also attributed to him. Of course these people push the emotional hot buttons that sell their products. The only question is, is there value in what they sell? And yeah, I hear what you’re saying, and there is a “danger” in blanket statements that just taking their course, you’ll be changed. Not at all. It’s insanity to think that the mountain of info he dumps on people in four days, or in his personal power program can be absorbed and adopted in one sit through. Like I’ve said before, I first discovered Robbins over 20 years ago. It was gold, and the basic broad stroke principles changed my life. I absolutely swear by this shit. Statemanagment? Belief creation and monitoring? Taking control over your brain so that your internal representations and physiology are putting you in–and keeping you in–the most resourceful and positive states? Sorry, salty and all the asshole losers on that forum link you sent me, but that is an irrefutable golden skill. His stuff isn’t meant to be read like a Dan Brown novel (“ah, that was a good read, now it’s on to the new Harry Potter book”). The idea of going to his 4 day seminar and thinking you’re going to walk away “finished” and transformed is beyond insane. But if you study the info, make it part of your every day life until it becomes an ingrained second nature habit? Then you can’t help but be changed. You absolutely cannot fucking help but be changed. And no, it’s not anything to fucking do with worship. Or thinking he’s some kind of a messiah. Anyone thinking of firing back with that shit is just playing the self esteem defence game. Now, yeah, I think Robbins is probably guilty of not stressing this fact–that what he’s teaching takes time and hard work to learn, apply and make a part of your life. But, once you’re in the door, he does say it, though. He’s not going to say it in his literature, though (because people don’t want to hear that shit–even though it’s true, and common sense), although I think it could be said powerfully and effectively–you’re basically throwing down a challenge when you sait…”If you’re a loser looking for a quick fix without any work or effort, this isn’t for you. Don’t waste your time–what you’re looking for doesn’t exist. But if you’re willing to embark on the adventure of putting in the hard work to reinvent your life by learning to control and work your mind, then you will see results that will shock you and move you in a direction you’ve only dreamed about, up until now.” What can I say…if you’re so fucking retarded that you think sitting through a 4 day lecture is going to be the start and stop of changing your life, if you think listening passively to a 30 day program like Personal Power in your car on the way to and from work is all you need to do to change your life, if you think reading a 500 page book once, before going to bed each night for a couple of weeks is going to get you anywhere, then you’re just as stupid as idiots handing over money to a Nigerian in exchange for a big cut of his inheritance he’s trying to get released. I don’t have much sympathy, at all, for such stupid people.”

    1. ~ and more ~

      Fuck. There’s NOTHING wrong with that, Salty. I hate douchebags, but I also hate brain dead lazy slobs who want something for nothing. Nobody is coming to the rescue of anyone. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for dumb fuck rainbow chasing lotto playing dreamers. In the past, maybe the IMers were guilty of snowing them–and yeah, they were.

      But from what I’ve seen from early adopters to the new FTC imposed reality, I don’t see a lot wrong with the pitches.

      All these guys can do is provide the method…and maybe the spark–the idea.

      Impossible on its face value? Fuck that shit. Yeah…and it was impossible for a dumb ass high school graduate to start making computers in his parent’s garage with his hippy friend “The Woz.” And, it was impossible for an idiot tinkerer to think he could make money assembling computers in his dorm room. PC’s Unlimited. Nice company name, you dumb fuck Michael Dell!! Get your head out of the clouds and concentrate on your studies!! A stupid little newsletter on obscure records nobody cares about? With thinking like that, you’re NEVER going to be a success at anything…and you’ll probably never get laid,either. Better get used to the term “virgin,” Richard Branson, you shit for brains dreamer.

      I don’t like lying douchebags, but I fucking HATE losers who play the self defense “aww, that’s a scam it can’t be done” card to keep themselves from admitting to themselves that maybe, just maybe their shitty life of quiet desperation is self imposed.

    2. ~@franksgaycousintrey appearing as @saltydroidblowsdogs ~

      Jason, you knob gobbler. This James guy aside, you are comical beyond belief the way you attack people just because the people who buy “how to make money” products just sit on their fat asses and are too lazy and dumb to actually use the info. The fact is, the info I sell (and yes, if I was to tell you who I am, you’d know my products) is gold, and will lead to super success…IF FUCKING APPLIED!!!

      Cram your self righteousness right up your stretched out ass, loser. This is the greatest country in the world. There’s more opportunity today than has ever existed before. And, step by step “just follow the instructions, moron” blueprints on how to do just about anything is readily available. If someone has less than they want, then fuck ‘em. There’s no one for them to blame but themselves.

      Sure, I’m guilty of making it look perhaps easier than it really is in my sales pages. But, the bottom line is this, asshole…if applied, it will deliver the dream I paint in the sales letter.

      So take your “boo hoo, the gurus are ripping people off because most people are too fucking lazy to actually get off their fat asses and take action–and follow through” cry baby attitide, and cram it!!

      Oh, but…your site is gut bustingly funny. Hopefully, I’ll be signaled out by you in the future. THAT will be comedy GOLD!!!!

  8. ~ Useless comment by @franksgaycousintrey / @voiceofreason ~

    “Good grief, Salty. What a cess pool of self-esteem defence that forum page, is.

    Self-esteem defence? Yup…it goes like this–

    “WHEW!!!! What a FUCKING relief!!!! My life is in the shitter, I have a crap job, life is passing me by, I’m not where I really want to be, I’m not really doing what I want to be doing. I see guys like Robbins telling me that I CAN have the life I want, putting 500 pages of ‘here’s how to do it’ information in my hands for a mere $15…and still I live a life a can barely look myself in the face over, as I shave in the morning. What the fuck is the matter with me, I started to wonder? Why can’t I get myself to kick myself in the ass and do it? A felt like such a fucking LOSER.

    But not anymore. Ahhhh, sweet deliverance. Turns out, Robbins is full of shit. What a fucking relief!! Some guy I never heard of, on some forum I never heard of said so. And, if I can save face with myself, that’s fucking good enough for me!!

    Turns out, I’M not the loser. It’s Robbins peddling shit that hasn’t worked for anyone. Yeah…that’s what it is. All those people raving about him? Saying their lives have been turned around and reinvented because of the $15 teachings of Robbins? Well, this forum post by this anonymous poster explains it–every single one of those testimonials is made up, or, they’re so hopelessly brainwashed they’re just delusional disciples. Hell, as further proof, he even used the denegrating term ‘Messiah.’ So, it’s obviously a cult!!

    Too bad it’s all just fake bullshit, because, by golly, I was ready to carpe Lifeum. If the principles worked, OF COURSE I would have been able to do it. OF COURSE I’d have been able to take my life by the reins and move it in the direction I want. OF COURSE I’d finally be able to start living a real life, instead of this “is this all there is’ existence.

    But, clearly, it’s all fake shit. After all, someone apparently actually had a psychotic episode–whatever the fuck that means.

    So, my head is held high. I didn’t fail. Robbins failed ME. Fucking asshole. Oh well, nothing left to do now but watch The Family Guy, and read more of this awesome forum that clearly shows the real reason behind my failure to do anythinng with the information in Unlimited Power.”

    And bingo bongo, instant self esteem relief.

    Hell, isn’t that the ultimate conclusion to my point that “people don’t really want to do it?” You keep buying product after product to at first keep from doing it. And then, when there’s no more products to buy, and you can’t put off the fact that you haven’t done shit with what you’ve bought, you come to the defensive conclusion that “this shit doesn’t work.”

    Salty, that’s all that forum site–and anti-Robbins sites–are. A form of group therapy, where people can come together and feel good about themselves for not getting off their asses and applying the information they learned. It’s just a way out. The age old…”blame someone else.”

    And by the way, Salty, your answer strenthens my suspicion that you are at best a super lib, and at worst a full blown socialist (you didn’t vote for that asshole Obama, did you).

    “Try thinking about what thee can do for others.”

    I prefer this (credited to Zig Ziglar–a guy you know doubt HATE)…”You can get everything you want in life, if you’ll only help enough people get what they want.”

    Here’s antother secret, sport–that’s the basis of every single mother fucking successful legitimate business on earth. And that includes Robbins’.

    Like I said before, I’m not in the “how to make money” market (although I sure could be). What business AM I in? The same business as Microsoft. The same business as Hilton Hotels, Wal-Mart, and Vivid entertainment.

    Get closer…I’m whispering again…

    I’m in the business…of helping people…get what they want.

    All these self help people can do is provide the know how. The opportunity exists. The rest is up to the individual.

    As someone said on this string…it’s “life liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness.” Fantastically brilliant language. Happiness IS NOT an inalienable right. The wheel has been invented, though. You can learn how to do ANYTHING–directly from people who have already done it. And, the opportunity exists to do almost anything you want. You prepare by deciding what it is you want. You prepare by learning how to get what you want. Then, you go after it with massive action. Maybe you’ll succeed, maybe you won’t. But that’s all you can be given–the tools and the chance.

    Don’t get me wrong, though. I understand why people would seek and embrace the self-esteem defence. It’s hard–almost brutal–to experience failure. It’s even harder to have to look yourself in the mirror and know that the failure was because of YOURSELF. Gee, what if I’d have actually read the book? What if I’d have actually followed through and did the exersises to create the mind and inner toughness of a winner? What if I’d have gotten clear on what it is I do want out of life? What if I’d have made a commitment to do whatever it takes to go get that life? And, what if I’d have taken action and gone out and forged that life into existence? Wouldn’t my life be just a little fucking better now than it is? Wouldn’t I at least be able to say, “I tried?”

    Uhg. No Salty…THAT’S the type of thing that could cause someone from jumping off of a three story balcony. Unless of course, there’s an “it’s all bullshit and doesn’t work” out.

    So, again, I understand why sites like that ridiculous forum you linked to exist.

    There’s a great line in an old forgotten movie, “3:00 High,” about a guy who has to fight the school bully at the end of the school day. The movie is about him trying to find a way out of the fight. Towards the end, he goes to the bully and pays him off. The bully takes the money, and looking at the guy with contempt, says, “God…you didn’t even try.” Shaking his head in disdain, he asks, “how’s that feel,” before walking away. The protagonist is left thinking about what the bully just said, and even if you haven’t seen it, I think you can tell what he decides to do.”

    1. cont ….

      You’re off base, Salty. Sorry, sport, but everyone who doesn’t magically reinvent their life (by, like I said, NOT applying the information guys like Robbins are providing), are NOT victims.

      Some of them are–gasp–lazy rainbow chasing fools looking for something for nothing, and are responsible for their lack of results.

      “Everyone is a victim.” Just another bit of evidence of who you are.

      You know what, Salty…the problem with a lot of people is that they ARE treated like victims, when what they really need is to be bitch slapped and kicked in the ass.

      You do an astonishing disservice–and I now absolutely KNOW you are are a raging liberal–when you boo hoo, treat people like victims. Even if they are, they often need to be told to “stand up, brush yourself off, and fucking get back in the game and move on.”

    2. more @voiceofreason / @gaytrey exiled victim hate …

      Angry…angry young salty.

      “A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.”

      Hey, nice touch on swapping out the sales letter that totally backed up my point. Weird that all of a sudden, when you click on the link, an entirely different sales letter pops up than the one you were referencing–and I was referencing, a couple of hours a go (and that totally made my point).

      To the guy crying about the audacity of Robbins to release multiple products, want to know the ultimate “dirty little secret” of the self help world, Salty and company?

      Sssssssssssshhhhhhh…here it is. Come closer. Closer…

      (whispering)

      the dirty little secret of Robbins, the Secret shmos, Kern, Pagen, and dozens of other is this–

      “these guys are in the business…of helping people…keep from doing it.”

      That’s it. The average person doesn’t WANT to do it. The average person loves the IDEA of doing it. They want to tell themselves they ARE doing it–by studying, reading, listening. By always getting ready to do it–but never actually having to do it, and admit to themselves that they aren’t serious, or aren’t able, to do it.

      Oh shit…I’ve bought the program, I’ve gone through it, and now it’s “go time.” Meeeeaaaaaan, it’s time to put up and actually go to work and apply it. This all of a sudden doesn’t feel good at all. Oh wait…what’s that? Robbins has ANOTHER product? Why, I’ll just buy that one, go through the course and THEN I’ll carpe the mother fucking shit out of the diem. Yeah…I’ll just learn how to manage my time with his “Time of Your Life” product. THAT’S the missing link.

      It’s a month later, and that course is complete. Back to the scary uncomfortable “action” stage. But hold on a minute…what I need is…an edge. Yeah…an edge!! Even better than “AN edge,” what I really need is “THE edge.” And check it out– “Get the Edge” will give me just that. Out comes the credit card, the feet go up waiting for the course to arrive, and that warm feeling of “I’m doing it” returns.

      Done with that one? Oh crap! Say…what’s this…the “secret?!??!” Well, I’d be a fool to jump in without knowing the secret. So, I’ll just buy this book, read it, and then tear into crafting my dream life. Aaaaaaaaah, THERE’S that warm “I’m doing it” feeling I was losing (as I read this latest missing piece).

      And on and on and on it goes…one self help author after another stepping up to fill the need of “help me keep from actually having to take action and do it.”

      The Internet Market is an even more extreme case of this.

      The average person–the overwhelming majority–DON’T WANT TO ACTUALLY DO IT. They want to convince themselves that they ARE doing it (never realizing that “learning isn’t doing”). It’s the IDEA they’re in love with. They buy product after product to keep from doing it, while creating that feel good facade that they ARE doing it.

      THAT’S the dirty little secret, sport. These guys ARE providing a valuable service. They ARE filling a need.

      When you see a guru with multiple products all saying basically the same thing, THIS is why they are successful.

      Oh…but yeah, Salty…I’m no doubt wrong about this, too. It won’t come as a shock that this is beyond your ability to comprehend. No offence.

    3. ~ stupid commets by GayTrey ~

      Yeah, Ban, a lot of people posting comments on this site come across as idiot “every one is a victim, incapable of protecting themselves by applying common fucking sense” cry babies and deserve the beat down I felt compelled to deliver.

    4. ~ more ~

      Shhheeeeeeeeeeiiiiit, there are a lot of faggot swelled head idiots on this comment board.

      Correcting someone’s grammar as a means of discrediting the person? Keeeeyriiiiiiiiist, what a fucking loser. As some dip shit pointed out, this site is on the internet, visited by people from all over the world. Uh….maybe…just maybe…not everyone visiting this site is visiting from a country where english is the first language. In which case, they’re (notice it’s “they’re”…so BACK OFF) probably one up on most of us dumb english morons who couldn’t say more than “yes” in any other language. So fuck off Cartman and others making that idiotic correction.

      And Seriously, lets not get carried away with the victim crap. Yeah, the James dupes are victims. That cult shit is serious stuff. But get real…someone who plops down a grand on one of the classic gurus products, and then does nothing with the info he receives, and is too fucking lazy or dumb to ask for a refund is NOT a victim.

      Hey, you got sucked in to believing the dream, you whipped out the credit card, but you know what? These products come with money back guarantees. And, the gurus discussed on this site aren’t operating in Kazakstan behind fake names and cloaked IP addresses. If worse comes to worse, ask for your fucking money back, and move on. If you signed up for a continuity program, pull the plug after a month, and move on. Christ…who the sweet fuck hasn’t bought something they’ve regretted buying at one time or another?

      I’m not talking about the teeth whitening slimy forced continuity scams. Outright fraud is as wrong as the day is long, and of course people falling for that shit are victims. But every slob who falls for the line about how he can make money on the internet isn’t a victim. Talk about diluting the meaning of the term victim.

      Buy it with ViSA through paypal for ultimate protection. You can get a charge back in a New York minute from VISA if these guys fuck you over and refuse to give you a refund. Throw in the added layer of PayPal, and not getting your money back is absolutely postively NOT going to happen.

      By the way, I have first hand experience asking for a refund from Russell Brunson. I signed up for one of his continutiy programs to get some free shit he was giving away. I sent an email to cancel, one day after the 30 day “free trial” term ended. They had every right to say the account was cancelled, but I was paid up for the next month. They didn’t, though. I received a personalized email back the same day, saying the account was closed, and that the charge for the next month (I was one day late in cancelling to avoid the next charge) was being credited back–I never even asked for that to happen.

      These guys are fully aware of the holy shitstorm that can be unleashed if they received complaints to VISA. They’re very afraid of getting their merchant accounts pulled. They also, though, realize the reality of commerce on the internet…VISA will side with their customers (the user of the card…NOT the merchant) every time. I have experience with this first hand, too…both as a customer of VISA, and as a merchant.

      Contrary to what Salty believes, I believe the new FTC regs are a massive deal in stamping out the usual rainbow chasing emotion stoking sales pages that do (did) unfairly push people’s buttons and create “victims.”

      Like I made the point earlier, if one of the gurus puts together a sales page with the message that “this is a way you can live the life you want–bet on yourself. Take a chance. If it works great. If not, I’ll give you your money back,” then the people “falling” for it cannot possibly be called “victims.” Except by ultra-liberal dick fuck idiots who go through life thinking that EVERYONE is the victim, and no one is responsible for their own actions.

      And one other thing…stick the high and mighty “troll” term up your ass, Alex. Fuck I hate that sutpid term. As if the person is part of some special inside club, and the “troll” is just an outsider trying to “get in” the club. Fuck right off.

      If you want to find out about torrents, Scott, just google the term “how do torrents work” and away you go. Guys like Alex can stomp their feet all they want, but torrents aren’t going away. Not only are there free for all torrent sites (where you can get every kind of download imaginable), there are even more effective specialty torrent sites–sites that restrict uploads to business related, personal development ups, or education ups, to name a few. These specialty sites are devastatingly awesome. And, they’re not going away. I can, in less than 10 seconds, find any–and I mean ANY–guru product I want. If I get bombed with an offer for a new “lauch” offer (as I am on most of the gurus lists), I know it’ll be less than a week before it shows up on one of the specialty sites. Sometimes it’s much less than a week.
      The development of the internet is one of those titanic human civilization altering moments in world history. It is absolutely without a doubt in the top 5 list of civilization altering events. You can now literally find the answer to anyting in less than 30 seconds. Information has ALWAYS been the fuel that has powered Man ahead, and now it is instantaneously available. It’s ridiculous to think the availability of information is going to be constrained by quant notions like “copywrirght laws.” Nope, torrents (and I’m not talking about music or movie fucking waste of time throw away torrents) aren’t going anywhere.
      All you have to do is use google to realize that. Go to google’s site. Type in one of the guru product names…”mass control” for instance…and notice that google’s predictive search tool pops up “mass control torrent” as one of the top three suggestions (which are based on search terms). Cry all you want about it, torrents are a big deal now, and they’re only going to become an even bigger deal.

  9. Ohh boy. Moving comments around to take them out of the spotlight of your latest posts where people are reading.

    TSK TSK!

    Defeat.

  10. So what does that say about us as people? Why are we so sheep like? I’m a deliberately contrary person, I enjoy being the dissenter. I enjoy having the odd opinion out of the group. But I think that’s different to having the strength to voice a different opinion, I just like the attention I think.

  11. What it says about us as people is that we are blind to some very serious things in our reality, globally, and universally. We are not in harmony with the universal forces of law of attraction, or as Rhonda Byrne would say “Lor of attraction”.

    We are constantly running on a treadmill trying to get from this level to the next eschalons of elitism of the International American Universal Secularatiran Unitarian and Urinarian levels of society, globally.

    While we totally think we know what we’re doing and that we have the right slant on what true is, each daily day in and day out, from Monday to Sunday, sun down and sun up, 24/7, we really just let other people, entities, persons, corporations and Incorporations, including non-profit corporations and LLC’s fill our heads with unncessary junk.

    We think that we are making our own decisions with our own powerful “lor of attraction” magnetic minds by thinking that a DVD is going to tell us everything nice and crystal clear without blemishing a core truth with a lot of greedy hot, shit on a stick, horse shit.

    I apologize for my french linguistical and linguine-ful blasphemy, but much like this pre-2012, para-internet marketing blog post, most if not all of the top “gurus” that the world has come to look up to are placing, inserting, insinuating, instigating and dipping truth in hot, runny feces and handing it to people on a silver platter. It’s about time people,persons, humans, homosapiens, and homophobes wake up and realize that they don’t understand their own mind enough to see what’s really going on, globally and universally. Amen. Hallelujah, and Shalom.

  12. Oh, the irony is so thick here.

    Anyway, I love these experiments and psychology in general. You should look up the videos with the split-brain patient and allen alda. Good stuff.

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