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James Ray Trial Relocations :: May 4th

Author == 4 May 2011 96 Comments

It’s an outstanding day at James Ray International :: in a parallel universe … or something.  But back here in the 3rd dimension of realities things are still suck-balls for James Ray International and its chief officers James Arthur Ray :: James Arthur Ray :: and let me not forget … James Arthur Ray.

All the evidence in the trial continues to point overwhelmingly to Mr. Ray’s guilt/worthlessness. The defense is presenting lots of imaginary evidence :: all of which is super awesome except for the part where it’s imaginary.

It’s hard to watch :: trials are horrible spectacles of dysfunction. Don’t think just because you’ve featured here I’ll be covering your inevitable trial … I won’t.  You’ll “literally” have to kill people first {please don’t}.

Anywayz :: in what hopefully is not to become a Spring ritual :: Droid headquarters is once again being relocated. I filed a motion for a continuance with the court :: but each member of the defense team wrote a separate brief about why I should be denied my constitutional rights to have the trial postponed for unrelated personal reasons.

Mr. Kelly :: Judge … there is no reason for this. My client has the right to a fair trial and this Droid character already had a pretty nice apartment.

SD :: Objection you honor … speculation!

etc …

My arguments were all epic genius {Mr. Li broke into tears and rushed off to the women’s room}. But the motion was denied over a technicality involving my fake secretary Debbie not actually existing …

Rules of the Court

fake evidence = yes

fake secretaries = no

So dubious connectivity and availability for me over the next couple of days. Maybe when I return it will be to a new land of unicorns :: rainbows :: pots of gold :: and a judicial process that services its function and its people.

… or not.

Now eat these tweets and don’t get fat!


 

– Ms Polk has decided not to call family members :: but if Mr Kelly wants to make foundation objections she’d be willing. #JamesRay defending! #


 

– Mr. Kelly admits some dirt. #JamesRay #


 

– The detectives were trying to determine how #JamesRay “caused the symptoms” he told participants to expect. #


 

– Mr. Kelly talks about how the crime scene tape area could have been bigger. #JamesRay #


 

– There really isn’t any traditional evidence at the scene of a manipulation crime :: Mr. Kelly wishes there was though. #JamesRay #


 

– Some people were cool like Rocky :: some people were dead. “Common sense” says it’s not toxins. Mr. Kelly objects to common sense. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Kelly purposes preposterous hypotheticals about the vaporization of ant poison. #JamesRay #


 

– The heat explanation made more “common sense” because of the flap … and because duh. #JamesRay #


 

– The main problem with reconstructing the lodge scenario is that some of the test subjects would die and get kidney failures. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Kelly asks Det. Diskin about the tarp nails in the logs that weren’t burned. Hammering home that kick ass “point”. #JamesRAy #


 

– Mr. Kelly’s chemistry degree predates science. #JamesRay #oldpeople #


– How much evidence did you take? … the flow chart. #JamesRay #


 

– Volatiles were present at 203 degrees :: so there’s that. Maybe it was 203 degrees in the lodge too. #JamesRay #


 

– Morning recess. Mr. Kelly goes into the hall to finish thinkin’ through his “trace chemical murder” theorem. #JamesRay #


 

– I guess baby killin’ mommas are more fun since they don’t implicate the corruption & complicity of the media. #JamesRay @InSession @CNNLive #


 

– Defense plays the phantom medic tape again over Ms. Polk’s objection. Ridiculous. #JamesRay #


 

– Det. Diskin is sooo not Mark Fuhrman :: the defense’s last hope slowly withers. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Polk makes a couple “asked and answered” objections :: could do that for most questions. Defense only has like 3 questions. #JamesRay #


 

– The words “trace” and “death” don’t belong together. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Kelly asks Det. Diskin about the Haddow email. #JamesRay #


 

– Q: “The State was sanctioned for a Brady violation?” A: Objection! Sustained. Jury dismissed. #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Polk pushing for calling Haddow as the remedy for the Brady violation. #JamesRay #


 

– “Mr. Kelly has gone far too far.” #JamesRay #


 

– Ms. Polk unusually adamant. #JamesRay #


 

– The defense has implied to the jury that the State is withholding evidence from them :: Ms. Polk won’t stand for it. Lunch. #JamesRay #


 

– We’re back :: talking about the situation with the flies. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Kelly’s last question :: “this is the first homicide where you served as a case agent?” … #JamesRay #


– Ms. Polk admits exhibit #1002 :: it’s an ant zoom-in :: OMG ants! Run for your lives! #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Kelly’s investigation flow chart left out approximately one full investigation. #JamesRay #


 

– Det. Diskin explains how he assess the credibility of a witness statement without reference to their beliefs in talking animals and such. #


 

– The Hamiltons cooperated with Det. Diskin … the defense not so much. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Kelly makes an objection and requests the previously requested jury instruction in the presence of the jury. Classy! #JamesRay #


 

– Some talk on the blog about how much rat/ant cake you’d need to take a bath in or eat in order to die … http://bit.ly/k8B2ck #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Kelly makes about 20 objections to wood questions. Defense has copyright on stupid wood questions. #JamesRay #


 

– Recess for some good time arguments. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Kelly argues that only God has the proper foundation to testify about whether or not wood is made of trees. #JamesRay #tedious Recess. #


 

– Det. Diskin lists off the various places {including food} where one might find 2-Ethylhexanol :: #JamesRay #


 

– Pursuant to Kelly’s objections Ms. Polk is using the word “belief” instead of “opinion”. Too bad belief is the more charged term. #JamesRay #


 

– Sidebar. Camera sweeps to #JamesRay :: he’s dripping with integrity. #


 

– belief = an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists :: trust, faith, or confidence #JamesRay #


 

– opinion = a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge #JamesRay #


 

– If only Mr. Kelly owned a dictionary :: or a Kindle. #JamesRay #


 

– Det. Diskin :: “I did not ignore any evidence in this case.” #JamesRay #


 

– Det. Diskin :: “This case was about the way #JamesRay did his sweat lodge.” Redirect complete. Jury questions. #


 

– Long sidebar :: defense prolly objecting to the juries questions as well. #JamesRay #


 

– Jury Question :: Are there results from Arizona poison control? A: No. #JamesRay #


 

– Det. Diskin continued the good work he started two years ago. #JamesRay #


 

– State calls Steven Page :: former detective … current analyst of some kind. Diagramed the crime scene. #JamesRay #


– I draw the line at blogging about geometry. #JamesRay #


 

– States geometry direct very brief :: Mr. Li … #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Li :: “Why aren’t there any ants in these diagrams?” :: BOOM! :: tears off tie and walks out triumphantly. #JamesRay #imagination #


 

– 15 min on the percentage of dirt sampled for evidence. #JamesRay #


 

– Nothing is more convincing to a jury of regular “folks” than hypothetical maths. #JamesRay #


 

– Mr. Li rests his maths. #JamesRay Very short redirect. Mr. Page is given a moment to do A squared plus B squared equal C squared #


 

– Jury has no math questions. Mr. Page dismissed subject to recall. #JamesRay #


 

– This completes today’s justices. #JamesRay #


>> bleep bloop

96 Comments »

  • @luckygalnj said:

    SD have a great move. Thnaks for all you do and give my best to Debbie

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  • scammed said:

    SHIT!! OMG!!! I hate CNN!! I can’t believe the medical examiner was about to give what sounded like crucial testimony and they switched the last of 4 friggin screens to the New York wreath ceremony. Why all 4 screens?? COuldn’t be during boring testimony–this guy was actually starting to sound like he might say something good. Aaaargh!!! And In Session is doing Casey Anthony who isn’t even having a trial yet. WTF? If anyone has a chance, email CNN and In Session.

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    Anne Reply:

    @scammed,

    I am furious. In addition to emailing CNN, I thought it might be useful to contact the companies who advertise on CNN live as well. I emailed this company to let them know how CNN is alienating viewers and will likely lose viewership due to the way they are jerking us around with the James Ray trial.

    e-surance:

    customerfeedback@csr.esurance.com

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Anne,

    Good ideas, you guys. Thanks.

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    Anne Reply:

    @scammed, Maybe it’s time to start complaining to CNN live advertisers too.

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  • Injun Samurai said:

    { — Behind the Scenes May 4th — }

    The following is a brief excerpt covertly recorded last night in an imaginary conversation which took place after the trial… Special thanks to our imaginary agent in the field [ wink ] for planting the listening device on Thomas Kelly…

    T. Kelly: I think that went really well today, we’ve got them right where we want them…

    J. Ray: What are you talking about Tom, it’s going terrible, the judge is mad, the jury hates me, and all you did all day was object to everything, it was terrible, you just pissed everyone off, they all hate me know more then they did in the beginning…

    T. Kelly: You don’t know shit city boy, you think you stand a chance if this thing makes it to a jury vote? Are you kidding? You cooked three people to death and hospitalized 20 others. If this trial makes it to jury, you’ll be lucky to dodge a death sentence.

    L. Li: James, you need to understand what we’re doing, it’s called a Prejudicial Invocation.

    T. Do: We aren’t trying to win this case James, that’s impossible because you are guilty. If you weren’t guilty, you’d just take the stand and clear everything up. But you killed those people, and we’re here to get you off, not prove you’re innocent…

    T. Kelly: Listen city boy, you have to trust us, I know Warren Darrow, he’s a big pussy, and like all pussies, he’ll crack. You push him hard enough, he’ll get upset and make a prejudicial ruling. We almost had him today, did you hear him talking over me and stumbling on his words? He’s getting frustrated and aggravated, that’s our whole objective…

    J. Ray: So you’re saying you’re not trying to win the case, you’re just trying to be so offensive, unreasonable, and rude that the judge looses his temper and makes a mistake?

    T. Do: James, Kelly is a master at getting under people’s skin. I’m on the same side as him, and I fucking hate him…

    L. Li: Me too! I’ve only known him a few months, but I already hate. You do understand that we can’t win this case, we have to get it thrown out don’t you? That’s why what we brought Kelly in for. He plays the dick, so Truc can play the nice guy…

    J. Ray: I guess, but isn’t it pretty risky to bet my whole life on your abilities to piss people off bad enough to make them loose composure? I mean, the whole jury hates us…

    L. Li: I take umbrage to your doubts in our strategy. You’ve seen the evidence, you know you killed those people, we cannot let the jury decide your fate. Our only hope is to keep grinding Darrow down, he will loose his temper, and we can drag this thing on for months and months until he does, eventually, he will issue a prejudicial ruling against us, and we’ll pin the whole trial to the wall on that one bad call, count on it…

    T. Kelly: I had him so flustered today that he sustained and overruled one of my objections simultaneously… That was classic. This is law at it’s finest, you thought today was bad, wait til tomorrow, Shiela won’t be able to finish her name without me objecting…

    T. Do: Objection your honor – “Form of her name”

    All four start laughing and the covert taping concludes.

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    scammed Reply:

    @Injun Samurai,

    omg–classic. You have it down perfectly. I feel a teensy weensy bit better. Now if we could get the trial back on. Geez–if I keep whining like this, they may hire me for the defense team.

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    Aly Reply:

    @scammed,

    Hahaaaaaaaaaaaa!! That was funny scammed! : )

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Injun Samurai, fine line between truth & fiction unfortunately…think you NAILED the DT strategy!

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    Moxie Reply:

    @Injun Samurai,

    Great run down….and it doesn’t hurt that Darrow was co-counsel with Kelly in the 1990′s before he became a Judge. This whole Trial stinks.

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    Drastic Reply:

    @Moxie,

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  • Anne said:

    Yay, trial is back on.

    Thank you CNN.

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  • scammed said:

    Uh—is Mr. Hughes making a case for Liz dying from hyperthermia or organphosphates? Because there have been several times today when I haven’t been sure. So, I’m assuming the jury might not be sure. Sheesh.

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    Aly Reply:

    @scammed,
    The way that most of the eye witnesses described many coming out complete out of control, having seizure symtoms,eyes rolled back, exhaustion, delirious, unconcious and dying were all caused by of EXTREME over heat. I’m don’t believe those are the same sypmtoms or anywhere near the “other” things they are throwing out there. I don’t see how they can make anyone believe otherwise. That’s one more reason the judge should have let the prior years in. Same syptoms, you know?

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  • Rubies said:

    The thing that the jury must remember (thank you lead juror) is that there has been NO evidence of the existence of organophosphates PRESENT whatsoever in the lodge area. There may have been rat poison within the vicinity of the lodge covers although testimony sez it NEVER touched the lodge covers….however, rat poison does not consist of organophosphates at all.

    According to InjunSamarai if everyone there at the lodge at a rat biscuit themselves they would not have in fact DIED. FACT.

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    Injun Samurai Reply:

    @Rubies,

    Thanks for the nod Rubies, but in all fairness, it isn’t according to me –
    It’s according to the following sources (who all agree):

    1. MSDS: Federally Approved Material Safety Data Sheets
    2. OSHA: Occupational Safety and Health Administration
    3. ACS: American Chemical Society
    4. UN-DHM: United Nations Department of Hazardous Materials
    5. UN-HMIDS: United Nations Hazardous Materials Identification System
    6. EPA: Environmental Protection Agency
    7. FDA: Food and Drug Administration
    8. CASR: Chemical Abstracts Service Registry

    So as much as I’d like to take credit for the assertion, it’s actually just those few 1,000 professional scientists, national, and international regulatory bodies who claim that if everyone there at the lodge at a whole “Just One Bite” rat biscuit, they wouldn’t have come even close to fatal levels of poison exposure.

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    Aly Reply:

    @Rubies,

    By this time, it may have looked appetizing to them.

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  • Injun Samurai said:

    { — The Impeccable Logic of Truc Do — }

    A recap of Thursday May 5th

    Ms. Do: Dr. Mosely, you’re not a gynecologist are you?

    Dr. Mosely: No, I’m a forensic pathologist who’s spent the last twelve years working for the state of Arizona determining cause of death on over 4,000 individual cases. I don’t do pap smears…

    Ms. Do: Yes, that’s true, but in fact, you’ve never worked with a live patient before have you?

    Dr. Mosely: Well, in my six years of medical school, plus 2 years of residency I worked with over 10,000 live patients.

    Ms. Do: Yes, that’s true, but since you’re not a gynecologist, and excluding the 10,000 live patients you’ve worked with, you’ve never worked with a live patient, correct?

    Dr. Mosely: Excluding the live patients I’ve never worked with a live patient?

    Ms. Do A ha, I see. So what you’re saying is that a person, who spent their entire career working with organophosphate poisoning, they would be more qualified to determine organophosphate poisoning than you are, correct?

    Dr. Mosely: If Organophosphate Poisoning was their specialty, then yes..

    Ms. Do: In fact, in 20 years, you’ve never even seen a single case of death from Organophosphate poisoning, correct?

    Dr. Mosely: That’s correct, it’s exceedingly rare. The dosage levels need to be extremely high, almost impossible to reach those sorts of levels from commercial pesticides.

    Ms. Do: So what you’re not telling this jury, is that you aren’t qualified to rule out organophosphates, correct?

    Dr. Mosely: No, I mean, correct, I mean, incorrect. When you speak in triple negatives it hard to understand the question, I’m totally qualified, state licensed and have nearly 20 years experience.

    Ms. Do: Ah hungh, I see. But because I have a PhD, I could also be called Doctor, Correct?

    Dr. Mosely: Yes, correct, you could be called Doctor.

    Dr. Do: So as a doctor, I’m just as qualified to determine cause of death as you are. In fact, you just told this jury that you’re not qualified to determine cause of death when it comes to pap smears of organophosphates, correct?

    Dr. Mosely: What? There’s no such thing as Organophosphate Pap Smears.

    Dr. Do But you told us that you are neither an expert in Pap Smears nor Organophosphates, so you don’t know what you’re talking about here, correct?

    Dr. Mosely: I don’t understand what you’re saying.

    Dr. Do: Precisely, you don’t understand because you’re not qualified and you’ve just admitted to this jury that you’re not even an expert in this field. You’ve never seen a live patient, you don’t specialize in organophosphate poisoning, never even seen a single case of organophosphate poisoning, have never been to a sweat lodge where 23 people were hospitalized for heat related injuries, you’re not a gynecologist, and yet you still claim these people are dead, correct?

    Dr. Mosely: Yes, they are dead.

    Dr. Do: With respect Dr. Mosely, you just admitted that you’re not qualified to say whether these people are dead or not.

    Mr. Kelly: Judge, I motion for a mistrial, this witness is criminally incompetent and just admitted to be totally unqualified to render an opinion as to whether these people are even dead or not. Offering this man as an expert witness is a flagrant disregard of my client’s rights, the only acceptable remedy is a mistrial… Boo, yah.

    { – recess – }

    That my friends, is the Impeccable Logic of Truc Do. It isn’t funny, it’s just sad and to see a formerly talented attorney go down this path is one of the great tragedies of this case.

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    scammed Reply:

    @Injun Samurai,

    Dr. Mosely is killing me. He seems to be helping out the defense an awful lot with his agreements regarding Liz inconsistencies with heat stroke and consistencies with organophosphates. And I think he has a crush on Truc–ugh.

    I left a message with Detective Diskin yesterday–they won’t allow a simple email. Could you pleeeease leave a message as well? Please oh please? This organophosphate arguments needs to be stopped in their tracks. Mosely made statements today that made for definite ‘reasonable doubt’ if I were a juror with no other knowledge.

    Here’s the Camp Verde office number: Phone: (928) 567-7717.

    Anybody else that wants to call and direct them to Injun Samarai’s arguments on the Droid’s entry of the 28th (I don’t think they’d want to search through the whole site), that’d be helpful-maybe just saying there appears to be obvious evidence that organopohsphates were not even present at the site of the sweatlodge because Andro and Just One Bite don’t contain them. (Or something–I don’t know). I just cut and pasted your entries into an email ready to send.

    Lord–he just said symptoms are much more suggestive of organophosphate toxicity and earlier said he thinks its both, heat stroke and toxicity. How powerful would it be to have some expert tell the court someone would have to eat a huge amount of the product to die??

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    2Tired2 Reply:

    @Injun Samurai,

    Oh me gosh…Injun…Priceless…!!! Thank you :-)))

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    Yakaru Reply:

    @Injun Samurai,

    Yup. The defense often seems about one step away from arguing nobody died and it was all a beat up by the prosecutors and the media.

    Seems Dr Mosley actually did a good job of keeping Do in check, despite her flirts and wiggles. You can always tell when Do isn’t getting the answers she wants coz she doesn’t “Got it” to each time. (Meaning: I got your answer, now it’s mine and I will distort it completely before throwing it back in your face as it’s your own words.)

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  • scammed said:

    Did I just see Truc continue with her questioning after Darrow said we’re going to take our morning recess? After sustaining Hughes’ objection? Did I miss something?

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  • what?? said:

    @SD Sorry your arguments for a continuance didn’t work out…but best of luck with your move.

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  • Linda said:

    All this crap is a total waste of time and money for the citizens of Arizona. The defense is going over and over and over the organophosphates defense and making every professional on the stand look like a damn fool. It’s almost as if they are trying to get the medical witnesses to agree that they are incompetent. Even if the issue were toxicity, how come most of the other people did not die? Any possibility that the people who were so affected by this sweat lodge actually had too much water…you can die from that too…so it doesn’t matter.

    What matters is that James Ray did nothing when it was called to his attention that people were in distress…why can’t the defense object to all the b.s. that the defense throws out but they can get shot down for every question they ask from the prosecution’s side. It makes me have little respect for our legal system. The issue is what did Ray do and not do….because he was their leader and he was the one who assured them that they would feel like they were going to die but that they wouldn’t.

    Truc Do is making a jerk out of herself. She should have stayed in L.A. doing prosecutions. I wonder if she loses sleep at night knowing she sold old to this sociopath.

    It was Ray’s set up of the people to trust him and have them believe what was happening was ok which brought them beyond rationale self protective actions. He did nothing when he was told several times of problems. And even after he saw how many people were in need of help, he just went to his room. Hit and run.

    Let’s call an end to it by objecting to the whole poison thing.

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  • White Rabbit said:

    Truc Do can’t handle that a medical expert would have a medical vocabulary.

    Get over it, sweetie. Don’t get your panties in a bunch.

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    Omikse Reply:

    @White Rabbit, …or, Truc Do, please don’t let your undergarments become herniated, try to keep them torsion free!

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  • Aly said:

    Ohhhhh, NOOOO!! Not that damn easel again. I’m sure that helps the jury just a hell of a lot. They probably want to cry ever time they start trying to explain it all in drawings. It was hot in there, no air, lots of people, probably 200 degrees. Draw that!

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    scammed Reply:

    @Aly,

    Good one. :)

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    Aly Reply:

    @scammed,

    Thanks scammed,
    I’m trying to keep up with you. lol

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  • coldweathergal said:

    Truc Do/Dr. M combo drove me away from the trial on Friday. Judge Darrow refuses to take control. DT continues on the low road. (Slime is too elevated a term.) State counters DT tactics instead of pointing out how ridiculous they are (per Injun Samari’s terrific research). I didn’t realize until yesterday how many others have died in sweat lodges. Here are the names I could find:

    1993 – Kelly Rice, 35, TX
    1996 – Gordon Reynolds, 43, UK
    2002 – Kirsten Babcock, 34, and David Hawker, 36, in the same sweat lodge in CA
    2003 – Kylie Watts, 30, AU
    2004 – Rowen Cooke, 37, AU

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    Aly Reply:

    @coldweathergal,

    I’ve never understood the judge from the beginning!

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  • tsarten said:

    I worried about this judge from the beginning. I did a little research on him, and turned up only a single case. One where Judge Darrow was being sued for allowing previous arrests on DUI, in a DUI case.

    But until I saw this recent revelation of the defense team Kelly and Darrow connection, I wasn’t sure about Darrow. Now I am scared. His insistence on punishing Polk and Hughes daily for the Haddow email mistake scares me.

    Darrow is trying to save face with an old colleague. The hell with the victims, he doesn’t like how this trial is making him look. He said as much on Friday.

    With every legal maneuver,the defense team chips away at the key argument. There was prolonged exposure to high heat levels which were ignored. The reason for ignoring them is why Mr Ray is on trial. The way Mr Ray conducted seminars was to change cultural norms — to leave behind customary actions. Therefore, people who normally would immediately call 911 when they saw a participant with their eyes rolled back in their head, now concluded that it was “normal” not to call. It was “sacrilegious” to want fresh air — to admit to less than Superman capabilities.

    And Darrow signaled his thoughts last week as to the fact that many participants came back year after year to participate, which I felt, didn’t seem to bode well for the prosecutions theory. But if Darrow WOULD allow the psychologists and cult experts to testify, he would have a clear answer to his question.

    This type of prosecution needs to build the case on the normal behavior, verses the James Ray behavior. But as far as I can tell, they have been blocked every step of the way. And now they face the real possibility of a mistrial because Darrow is saving face.

    At least that is how I see it. I hope I am wrong.

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    Aly Reply:

    @tsarten,

    I believe you’re right!
    The case ( I think that they were on together ) they lost and the man is on death row. I’m sure the lawyers that work on cases together have always (possibly) had that partner for a judge, but I think it’s wrong. Judges aren’t supposed to be biased, but it’s clear Darrow IS biased to the defense on this case. The defense just rolls over him.

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    LaVaughn Reply:

    @Aly, I disagree. If he were that biased towards the defense he would have given them their mistrial, as requested, when he found the Brady violation. He’s taken a lot of criticism for not granting the mistrial. He also still hasn’t allowed the special instruction to the jury and it’s weeks since the Brady violation. Kelly and Li practically stomp their feet like children when this comes up. They’ve submitted language to Darrow for this instruction and, so far, nothing has come of it. Personally, I think he doubts the violation was intentional and he’s not willing to the let the defense excoriate the prosecutors for an unintentional oversight. That’s my hunch. I could be wrong, but where’s the special instruction? The defense is still waiting and they’re pissed about it. I got the sense that Darrow hated to find for the Brady violation and he’s really trying to keep this from going to a mistrial.

    Our entire system of jurisprudence favors the defense. It’s supposed to. That’s the way it’s set up and it was set up that way as a response to tyranny. Our system says that it’s better for some guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to lose his liberty. It doesn’t work out that way in practice — see the West Memphis Three or the totally disproportionate incarceration rate of poor minorities — but in principle, that’s how it’s supposed to work.

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    2tired2 Reply:

    @LaVaughn,

    Thanx…-)

    (I’ll get beat up for this)

    Quoting you ” Our system says that it’s better for some guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to lose his liberty.”

    YET ~ this is one of those cases where, no matter what defense you pull outta the hat….lil Jimbo has a chance of getting off (urrrrrrr)

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    LaVaughn Reply:

    @2tired2, One hopes.

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    Anne Reply:

    @LaVaughn,

    Well said LaVaughn.

    I don’t agree with all of Judge Darrow’s decisions, but I think he weighs the facts and analyzes the law carefully. Within the confines of the Constitution, he seems quite even handed to me.

    The fact that the judge was co-counsel with Kelly 17 years ago, for a mere 6 weeks, is a pretty flimsy basis for claiming bias.

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    tsarten Reply:

    @Anne, @LaVaughn

    As I said, I would be happy to be wrong. I perceive a waffling on Darrow’s part. But if he is doing the right thing and being fair, then good. I hope my perception is wrong.

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    LaVaughn Reply:

    @tsarten, Scroll down this comment. Download the motion and see for yourself. Looks pretty fair to me.

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    Anne Reply:

    @tsarten,

    You wrote, “if Darrow WOULD allow the psychologists and cult experts to testify, he would have a clear answer to his question.”

    Did I miss something? I thought Judge Darrow had ruled in February that cult/LGAT expert Rick Ross could testify. (Subject to the usual foundation for his qualifications as an expert witness and the basis for his opinions.)

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    2Tired2 Reply:

    @tsarten,

    Thanx, tsarten for a great review…:-)

    I read that DUI case, where Judge Darrow was reversed.
    http://www.azcourts.gov/Portals/89/opinionfiles/SA/SA060195.pdf

    I agree with all of your points :-)

    And, I’m having trouble with this whole stupid Haddow issue. Yes, the pros interviewed him, yes they initially called him as a witness…BUT, they never retained him & dumped him from the witness list. Not unusual.

    According to the defense’s way of thinking (if applicable) the pros could have interviewed a garbage can, a lamppost, a cadaver…and gotten the same amount of attention.

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  • Jean D said:

    Here’s a report from the Arizona State government on heat related deaths. It’s such a common occurrence, statistics and data are maintained and reports are regularly published: http://www.azdhs.gov/plan/report/heat/heat09.pdf

    We lived in Tucson for 9 years. It didn’t take us long to learn about heat, when my 5-year-old began throwing up and having migraine-type headaches after swimming and playing outside for a couple of hours. It’s common knowlege in that part of the country that you can’t spend time outside during the middle of the day. As residents of Arizona, those jurors already know what happened in that sweat tent and they know James Ray was reckless. I’m confident they’ll find him guilty on all charges.

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    cheeky Reply:

    @Jean D, Well we are all visualising that as the end result. Visualising is more than hope right?

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    Jean D Reply:

    @cheeky, I just try to think logically about the facts,although logic doesn’t seem to always prevail. Not sure about the visualizing thing. Hoping is more my style.

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  • Anne said:

    Judge ruled on some pending motions. No mistrial of course, but Haddow precluded from testifying.

    Not such a crushing blow to the prosecution that a witness they didn’t want in the first place is now precluded from testifying. Well played Ms. Polk.

    http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docsyav/Cases/State%20of%20Arizona%20vs%20James%20Arthur%20Ray/05-09-2011%20ORDER-COURT%20ORDER%20RULING.pdf

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    Bethann Reply:

    @Anne,

    Thanks Anne. It would appear as if the dream team drama queens may remain quiet for a few days.

    CNN Live is not showing the trial on it’s list today. Live coverage at this point is speculative.

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    2Tired2 Reply:

    @Bethann,

    Hey, Gal

    CNN sez, again, that lil Jimbo’s trial is to broadcast @ 11:30 ET. It said that yesterday, which we know is dark, then the schedule magically appeared on their schedule today. (It was NOT on there 1st thing this am)

    Well, let’s see ~ I need to hang out with you guyz over here…

    Just this morning, I have received 3 (three) infractions from IS MB for (lOOk out!!!)

    1) mentioning pink panties for JR (per the AZ corrections dept)

    2) saying that Mz Do is a wench

    3) some gibberish about holding court in the bathroom

    I’m tellin’ ya…

    Life just doesn’t get any better, does it ~ LOL
    ***
    We can only HOPE that CNN shows something at some point today

    Even IS mentioned something about broadcasting today re: lil Jimbo. I shall patiently sit by my computer…waiting.

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    Bethann Reply:

    @2Tired2,

    Humorless mods on IS? … :)

    I’m checking between the sites to see if there is any new information, but prefer posting on SD’s site.

    Currently we’re at daily mercy of the program director at CNN Live :)

    Pleased it’s live, for the moment.

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    2Tired2 Reply:

    @Bethann,

    Thanx, my dear….Oh, Whoops…might get myself in trouble for that ~

    Don’t know how long they plan to go today…Katie said they might be there for a few days…thing is: don’t they usually “save” this for when nothing is going on on IS?

    I spend my days chasing CNN camera guyz around the countryside. Yeah, right.

    Hmmm…now, that’d b e something for me to do…
    OR ~ I could spy ’round the country lOOking for SaltyDroid.

    TeHe

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  • 2Tired2 said:

    It is actually on: (not sure for how long)

    http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2

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  • scammed said:

    Whooo HOooooo!! Lord, the doctor’s been on the stand for about 20 minutes, and he’s laying waste to the defense already with his blurb about the innocuousness of home organophosphates and especially his heat illness ‘speech’. Fabulous!

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    scammed Reply:

    Geez, I’d take a class from this guy any time. He’s actually making the science behind this interesting. What? The defense must just be dying a slow death right now. I think I’m in love.

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    scammed Reply:

    F—–n A!!! Injun Samarai! Did you hear that? (Sorry everyone to triple-dip here) This wonderful, brilliant doctor referred to the MSDS and basically everything you mentioned!! I’m so happy I could poop! He just brought up every friggin’ argument we’ve had here for the last couple of months. Awesome! Even talked about miosis showing up in heat stroked victims. Just blew away everything the defense has. Whee! Hopefully I haven’t spoken too soon, but geez, this seems awfully good.

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    Injun Samurai Reply:

    @scammed,

    Thanks for the updates!

    I’m only catching it intermittently today…

    From what I’ve seen today, this guy is: accurate, well spoken, readily understandable, speaks from expertise in the field, and comes off as extremely credible…

    Eager to see what happens in the cross…

    Glad to see the MSDS making it in finally!

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    Anne Reply:

    @Injun Samurai,

    Unfortunately, those of us who are glued to our screens are also only catching the trial intermittently, thanks to CNN incompetence. So frustrating!!!

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  • rosie said:

    PLEASE….

    Can someone organize an online petition to CNN about their coverage of the SL trial!!!

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    2Tired2 Reply:

    @rosie,

    Someone already has…yet, I better wait ’til she comes back on here.

    In the meantime, I have been given this name & source who MIGHT take over live streaming:

    Lynne LaMaster from http://www.prescottenews.com/

    I’m as aggravated as you…so, let’s see what we can do…! :-)

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    rosie Reply:

    @2Tired2,

    Thanks, I’ll check here again, if we should lose the feed.

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  • Anne said:

    CNN is back with Do’s cross of Dr. Wonderful.

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  • 2Tired2 said:

    I don’t know what the flip is going on with CNN this afternoon. Supposedly the crew is going to be there for a few days…I think the crew is getting varying orders from corporate.

    I reckon I’ll just have to move out there. Shootz ~ IDK

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  • Bethann said:

    Psych 101 …

    Watch the action, don’t listen to the words.

    Do dances across the courtroom voice fading when she has little impact, voice with emphasis when she believes she can impact the jury.

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  • scammed said:

    What a beeeyatch! I’m ashamed at Do’s harassment and her contemptuous, exceedingly patronizing attitude and questioning of this intelligent, articulate, clearly educated doctor. Shame on her. I don’t know why I expect any different by now. Just grosses me out some days more than others.

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    Omikse Reply:

    @scammed, ..I keep waiting for someone, anyone, to dart Do with some heavy tranquilizers as she sashays to and fro….just to s-l-o-w down her rapid-fire speech and to get her to stop wiggling back and forth. “Correct?”

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    2Tired2 Reply:

    @Omikse,

    1) “Krect”

    2) “Yes”. (today)
    she must have swiped a tape from CNN & watched.
    Krect?

    3) Week before that was “I got it”

    4) If she doesn’t stop saying “So, you’re telling this jury…”

    5) “The state never told you that…”

    OK ~ so. I got this stuff out of order…So correct me.

    Outside of Dr. Dixon today, why do these other doctors seem so intimidated by her? And, why don’t they think about their answers before they speak?

    Oh…if JR was incarcerated, he could bring Mz Do some thorazine ~ getting a visual on the thorazine shuffle?

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    Yakaru Reply:

    @2Tired2,

    I also noticed this “Got it” from Do. She only says it when she gets a useful answer. It seems to mean “I got it, now it’s mine and I’ll distort it and throw it back in your face later.”

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    Omikse Reply:

    @2Tired2, ..what really fries my behind about Do is when she asks a new witness if they have heard what a previous witness has testified to…Really??!!…Miss Do, if this witness were to have heard testimony, that would be a bad thing…right????….OMG!…Dart her NOW!

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    2tired2 Reply:

    @Omikse,

    You are so right on.

    I would think that Dr. Dixon has better things to do than hang around courtrooms listening to the testimony of other docs.

    As if he even could. I seem to recall the admonition of Judge Darrow that witnesses are not supposed to yak to each other.

    Furthermore, if I’m in the ER, I don’t want the Docs sitting around the conference table figuring out what to do with me…!

    My fave quote (today) Dr. Dixon to Do-girl: “Are we going to do this all day long?” (speaking of one of their many disagreements)

    Oh, my…remind me NOT to go to an ER anywhere where Do-girl might have jurisdiction (yikes ~ that could be anywhere given her pro hoc vice status) OK I’ll get injured out of the US

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    Omikse Reply:

    @2tired2,…are all the witnesses out in the parking lot trying to ‘score’ testimony??…”Pssssst…hey, want some prior testimony?..I got just what you need. Hot off the stand”…Really…?

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    scammed Reply:

    @Omikse,

    A tranquilizer dart could do serious damage to those butt implants she had put in. Scary. I tend to agree with what Bethann says above you–I think Do moves around a lot when she’s wanting to distract (or detract) from what’s being said and to add to her “I’m too busy for this; give me the answer I want now, I’ve got things to do” aura. When she wants the jury to really hear something, she stops and focuses and often repeats herself, speaking in a way that doesn’t scream, “I took my Ritalin this morning!”

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    Kalista7 Reply:

    @scammed, You’re not kidding! I thought it was amusing how Dr. Dixon put Do in her place; he clarified her questions and often didn’t “agree” with her, which really caught her off guard. This has got to be one of the coolest witnesses yet – knowledgeable, strong, articulate, not bothered by her many interruptions as he relaxed and smiled. He was able to see through her manipulative questions and he really seemed very self confident to me, like he knew in his heart he was right!

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    scammed Reply:

    @Kalista7,

    Amusing, yes, except when I was too pissed at her condescension to laugh. Dixon seems to be the only doctor who wasn’t intimidated into twisting his own judgements into statements that seemed (at least to the jury) to align with her defense arguments. How slimy that she misrepresented the other doctors’ opinions to Dixon–hope the jury didn’t miss that. Clearly, the other doctors, for all intents and purposes, said the victims died of heat stroke (or, at least, heat-related illness), and were absolutely beaten into submission into, as mentioned, twisting their own words and opinions to conform to her manipulations. But, that’s not what Dixon heard. Fortunately, he seems, as you said, like a cool customer. You have to be to work in an ER. Come to think of it, my mom was an ER nurse and not someone you could easily bully or ‘catch off guard’. Maybe it comes with the territory.

    By the way, does anyone else have a hard time NOT seeing Do in a dominatrix outfit?

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  • Bethann said:

    “Doubty Do, has a deposit.”

    Do has a guaranteed income regardless of the results. JAR can sit in prison whining about the injustice of both the, “system,” and his defense team.

    Kelly, Li and Do … ease on down the road.

    (Defense is not paid dependent on results :)

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    2Tired2 Reply:

    @Bethann,

    Yes-indeedy…!
    lil Jimbo has no doubt already paid them.

    However…I really wonder what Li & Kelly REALLY think of her.

    My thinking is this: You can’t make the transformation from prosecution to defense that fast. Your HEART has to in it. I just don’t think her’s is. So…she could be walking a thin line. JMHO

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  • Made the papers in Australia said:

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/heat-caused-sweat-lodge-deaths-doctor/story-e6frfku0-1226053946904

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    ozinterest Reply:

    @Made the papers in Australia, Phew! was thinking for a minute that you had forgotten us. We are loving this too for LOTS of reasons.

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  • jamo said:

    Dr Lyon meant “I am AT Least 51% certain they died of heat stroke” — he was referring to the standard necessary to to determine the COD. He didn’t say “I am EXACTLY 51% certain”, that would be stupid. The prosecution should recall him to clear up this important point that DO is sleazily trying to twist.

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  • Linda said:

    I love this guy….he is so smart and refuses to be intimidated and also showing how she misunderstands a lot of information…good for him! On another note, I never knew she was so bowlegged.

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    White Rabbit Reply:

    @Linda,

    It is so enlightening when Do teaches the doctor medicine.

    Loving the back and forth. She doesn’t know shit but she acts like she is the authority.

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    scammed Reply:

    @White Rabbit,

    Exactly!

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    Linda Reply:

    @White Rabbit, Especially appreciated his confused facial expressions when she asked things that made no sense. He seemed puzzled, repeated the question and then pointed out HER errors! I was waiting for him to say, “Are you trying to trick me into agreeing with you?” But his behavior said it for him!

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  • Anne said:

    I am loving this! Dickson took the reins from Do and explained, with pictures, why tests for organophosphates are not very reliable.
    Great, spend a few more hours up there Truc.

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    scammed Reply:

    @Anne,

    Did you notice Judge Darrow asking Do how much longer she was going to cross examine Dixon at the morning break? Never heard him ask that. Clearly even he was getting tired of her repetitious, bombardment of information designed to explode the brain cells of the jurors and break down the person on the witness stand. I loved that at one point she scolded Dixon for ‘semantics’. Really? Her whole defense is based on obscuration, semantics, twisting of words. Don’t know how she sleeps at night.

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  • White Rabbit said:

    I am waiting for Dickson or someone to finally get tired of Do’s bullshit and ask: “What the hell is your obsession with organophosphates? I told you yesterday that none of the substances used at Angel Valley had organophosphates. What is the source of this phantom OP poisoning you keep harping on? What is the source of these peoples’ massive toxic exposure? What is your point?”

    I would just like to see, for once, someone throw it back in her face.

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  • Mario said:

    “Hypothetically pigs can fly, but I wouldn’t concede to that.”

    That was awesome! Love that guy!!!

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    Omikse Reply:

    @Mario, ..let’s hope that Truc Do puts all her hypothetical pigs in one airplane…that’s the only way those pigs will ever get off the ground!

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    Kalista7 Reply:

    @Omikse, Do got exceedingly hostile and ticked off as the day went on as Dr. Dickson didn’t allow her to play her usual (confusing) word games.

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    Omikse Reply:

    @Kalista7, …I’m not sure it’s a ‘word’ game that Do plays…I think it’s a ‘blame’ game….

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    Kalista7 Reply:

    @Omikse, Re: Do – very true! Guess she was too embarrassed to show up today.

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  • _cartman_ said:

    Ted was running the sweatlodge??….ohhh…sounds like mens rea to me…

    If someone didn’t feel they were guilty, they would have admitted to running the sweatlodge, instead of naming someone else as being in charge….hmmm…

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    Anne Reply:

    @_cartman_, No wonder Ms. Polk declined the defense offer to stipulate that James Ray was running the sweat lodge. She wanted the jury to hear that.

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    2Tired2 Reply:

    @_cartman_,

    But of course…! Ted, Ed, Fred, Jed…just any ol body that JR could point to.
    JR is such a wimp.

    ooPs…Ted just dumped a pitchfork full of hot rocks into JR’s lap.

    Anyhoo, getting back to your point ~ If JR did NOT think he was responsible, he should be made to do the vision quest for 110 years. Oh, & “harmonic” breathing (very unsafe)

    I think JR is reptillian ~ so, this may not affect him. Something will, tho.

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  • scammed said:

    Does anyone know how to record CNN Live? I have to (under extreme duress, mind you) go to a baseball game today, but hate to miss Kirby Brown’s mom.

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    2Tired2 Reply:

    @scammed,

    Hey, Scammed ~ I was hoping you could tell ME ~ Can ya burn a cd & shove into computer? IDK

    The few seconds I got audio ~ Judge is ONLY gonna let Mrs. Brown testify as to signatures…Yet, wants to be briefed on everything else that Mrs. might have to say At least that’s the way I heard it

    Now, Sgt. Barbaro is back on the stand questioned by Li
    *shakes head* don’t understand HOW or when witnesses are supposed to be called…

    P.S. How did you hear that Mrs. Brown was gonna be called? Last I heard, Sgt. B, then Sara Mercer….as stated…I have no clue who’s coming up next. I know they have to call witnesses out of order sometimes…yet this is getting ridiculous ~ JMO

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    scammed Reply:

    @2Tired2,

    Sorry–left sooner than I thought and didn’t get back to check until now. You’ll know more than I by now.

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  • 2Tired2 said:

    It’s on ~ sort of ~ I’m getting no audio ~ but, for CNN, that’s not unusual in the beginning of coverage
    http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2

    Urrrrrrrrrrrrr

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  • 2Tired2 said:

    Yo, kids ~ it’s almost back on…as I type, Judge D is on the bench

    http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream4

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