Perry Belcher: Surrenderer?
After 6 months of steadfastly ignoring The Droid in public {while scheming ceaselessly in private} :: Perry Belcher shows up yesterday and comments on this blog. It’s mostly BS :: and it’s already been addressed with bluster. Go read it if you haven’t {link}. The comments are way better than the {mediocre} post.
Perry’s response to my response :: Pulled from the comments into this post :: First the boring propaganda bits … bayoneted in the kidneys per the usual ::
Jason,
You made a few good points.
First: My $56M career sales claim, while factual does indeed include sales from Selmedica, and that’s wrong.
Based on that I have decided to remove all career sales totals from my ads. If I ever decide to ever use career sales numbers in the future any sales I made from Selmedica will be removed from that total. Point taken.
Okay wait :: what? Point taken? As though it has just come up :: I didn’t make a “point” guy … I’ve been harping on that same shit like a psychotic beast for months. The Selmedica claims are core to everything you’re doing online … and represent the primary infraction. NOTHING FOR 6 MONTHS :: and then you show up and publicly confess to the core of your most recent legal violations. I know you are the marketing genius and I am the basement dweller … but I don’t understand that strategy.
Second: Oddly, I see part of your point on pricing. It is sad as hell to hear stories of people who have dropped their last dollars on a multi thousand dollar course to only stuff it under the couch.
I never fail to tell people that their results will be based 100% on there effort, just for that reason.
Plus, my publisher, Infomastery, who sells my products, has the most liberal refund policy in this whole industry and basically anyone who can send an email requesting a refund gets it.
That being said, there something called personal responsibility.
Recently, predatory lenders gave sub-prime home loans to people who shouldn’t have taken them, causing a housing melt down. Who was at fault?
The lender? Yes, but to say the person signing the dotted line, knowing full well that they couldn’t make the payments were victims is horse shit.
1. No :: This is just a lie told to the cult members to keep them paying their tithes. People fail because these products promise things they can’t possibly deliver. No amount of “effort” can save a useless strategy.
2. The mortgage analogy is lame. You promise everything :: Take money :: Then deliver nothing. That produces victims. Bad loans end up dying with bad banks … the borrowers can walk away having lived above their means for a year or two. I’m on record as saying the victims of Perry Belcher are victims :: I don’t have any particular opinion about the victimhood of reckless home buyers.
In your post you show a screen shot of a disgruntled customer on from my Facebook fan page, which by the way I can’t find under that date…
I know you had to fan through over 200 positive posts on that page to find one dissatisfied $27 customer, come on.
Wrong again! Someone pointed me to that when it happened :: I screen captured it and put it in my ‘Evil Jowls‘ folder for future use. However :: I did fan back through to see if you’d deleted it so I could call you out for that shit too. You hadn’t :: it’s still there :: look again :: wear your grandpa glasses.
Fan through your Twitter responses for the last 6 months :: Subtract The Droid :: And you will notice a never ending sea of “positive posts” there as well. That’s exactly what’s so dangerous about this situation :: and it will not be accepted as evidence of innocence in this forum :: OBVIOUSLY!
Many of my students are successful, some wildly so.
If any of your “students” are successful :: It’s 100% because of them :: You are unnecessary.
Truth is, most people who buy most marketing courses and actually use them have positive results, some life changing, but when they choose to watch Lost re-runs instead of putting a plan to work and subsequently get no results, all the sudden the guy who sold them the course is a scammer.
A guy who sells a $2000 info product about making big bucks is a scammer at the moment of sale. Because that price is cosmically disconnected from the price of production. It red flags evil, price fixing, coercion, suppression, collusion, and conspiracy. Save your blame the victims bullshit for your SuperVillain MasterMind Incest Club Meetings :: Because I won’t buy a single fucking word of it.
Your $75 price cap suggestion and comparison to a text book is absurd. Yep, you can buy a $75 text book at any University in America and then pay some guy called a professor, who probably makes less than my barber, $14,000 a year to read it to you. Then, 4 years later swimming in debt with a head full of out dated, useless information.
Wow, you just won the right to go look for a job.
Social Media Money System is still a rip off at $75 :: I thought I was being generous.
What world do you live in where Professors make less than your barber? NO ONE regrets going to college asshole :: NO ONE! Who cares if you don’t get a job … it’s the most fun you can possibly have in life. Hippie chicks, rock-n-roll, beer, arguments about literature that aren’t centered around how “gay” you are for reading it :: Fucking Priceless!
Fact is, $2000 is a cheap for a real education in internet marketing. Maybe you think mine is not, my guess is you’ve never even reviewed any of the material.
Fact is, $2000 isn’t cheap. For anything! And I have reviewed some of your materials and found them extremely wanting.
:: And now for something completely different ::
As for me, I have completed a few small trainings that will sell for less than $100 each over the next few months and then I’m out.
I have already submitted the work to my publisher or I probably wouldn’t screw with it to be perfectly honest.
You have convinced me that I’m much better off to keep what I know between my ears than to share it with a world of critics. Too bad for those who could have used it. Congrats
Bad news is, you’ll have to find a new crash test dummy.
Here is the interesting thing, for a person who seems to have strong convictions about the rights we all have to free speech, you seem desperate to thwart mine. Selective?
Perry
Holy Shit! What just happened there? Was that a surrender? Because to me :: that sounded like a surrender.
And from Twitter {where my forced hiatus continues} ::
Evil Jowls :: I’m having one of those re-evaluating my life days. Know what I mean?
Evil Jowls :: Have an offline idea so good I may retire from Internet marketing
Oh sweet sassafras :: The end draweth nigh!
Dear Perry,
If you’re telling me “you’re out” because you think I’ve been a worthy adversary and I just deserved to know :: Then thanks {I guess}. But if you’re telling me in hopes that I’ll STFU about you … and not continue along the current path of my quest line … then I’ll have some specific terms {via email}.
Your Robot Friend,
Ben Mack {or wait … maybe I’m not Ben Mack … I forget}
>> waiting for versailles bleep
-------------More fabulously hilarious writing ::
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- Perry Belcher: Second Second Chance My fellow Americans: Major combat operations against Perry Belcher...
- Perry Belcher Reunion Show Perry Belcher could store three fat ladies :: or...
- Perry Belcher: Convicted Asshole Introducing Perry Belcher >> Evil Idiot >> and new...
- Perry Belcher Cures Swine Flu Do you have the Swine Flu? :: or more...
:: read one now before you die of stupid.
Stompernet needs a new front guy who does not sound like a robot when doing video pitches. Will Salty use his insider status to recommend Perry for the job?
If InfoMastery is Perry's "publisher," will Perry post the royalty agreement here? How many authors move to their publisher's city in another state and work out of the publisher's office? Publisher, partner, or employer?
As Bucky Fuller once said, "If humanity does not opt for integrity we are through completely. It is absolutely touch and go. Each one of us could make the difference." {bleep bloop}
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I think it could be called "passive-aggressive" when he tries to make you feel bad for all those that could have benefitted from him. That's just lame.
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Hi Jason… MY how things have taken a turn in my wee absence from class :-)
I totally love the fact that Mr Belcher has come to join what is a very intense debate and to put that out in public is both cool and credit-card-kicking?!?
If Perry goes his prices INCREASE… As he already has his leads and customers, there will be enough on the list to take in the PRIVATE CLIENTS, and the more "behind the scenes", the more it will cost to "consult" with him.
Mr Belchers Twitter line is being hawked and it is expected that there will be less promotion and huge amounts of "sweet tweets"… BUT WHY?
It's all part of "Hometown Boy Makes Good", It is a classic storyline, and incase any readers are not fully aware of what I am saying, good old Mr Belcher is using the Mass Control method (Frank Kern).
Mr Belcher WILL use ALL of this to his advantage and I am sorry to say that a new wave will be formed.
Frank Kern was sued by the Federal Trade Commission and due to this and his public confessions he has made more money than ever!
It IS all a calculated ACT
Once you have the taste of blood you cannot get rid of it and thats a shame.
At the same time I am a compassionate human being and I need to say that Mr Belcher really needs therapy.
I first got into the "inner circle" totally by chance and spent months based on a promise only to find that I was being used. I cannot talk about this too much just now but the inner circle involves 3 specific "rings".
The first are the humble affiliates, the people who are struggling and get drawn in to all the buzz.
The second is, believe it or not the "clickbank ring" this is where people are drawn in from and they choose their "leader"
Once a year (sometimes twice) ALL the lower ring is offered up like a sacrificial lamb to the heirarchy, ring 3. I will leave you to guess who they are, but it takes no time at all to work it out if you have been in "the game" any length of time.
ANYONE can get to the third ring either by standing out or paying for it (through the nose).
So what do I mean exactly?
Mr Belcher came in under Mr Deiss as Mr X… someone who had made millions from obscure niches.
This worked quite well as the "esoteric" was in full swing. Mystery is a GREAT way to get your card out of your wallet.
BUT it was only when Mr Belcher went to Frank Kern that he got on the map himself. This was the start of the frenzied attack we have seen in recent times. Why do one launch when you can do TEN, is the mentality.
I humbly apologise if this isn't all clear, but it is a STARK warning to all who do buy products from these people and trust me, there are very few people on this planet who actually know about "marketing".
The main thing is these days to be out in front of the public spraying your wares at every available person in desparation.
After I got stung with the marketing crowd I turned to one specific guy (no name dropping) he is from the UK and showed me EXACTLY how I had been drawn into the whole marketing community and then chewed up and spat out.
He's a great guy and cannot thank him enough for how he helped me SEE though all the downright bullshit that these people spew.
If you don't have a SOLID business or current business plan ALREADY in action you should never buy into the "traffic" side of things, which Mr Belcher is all about.
Vy the way reader, you don't know who I am but I speak as someone who did well in business then as soon as I went "online" I watched it fail. I once paid approx. $20,000 for my first website and all the TEXT was infact a GRAPHIC (not good for SEO if you know what I mean)
Well since I found my guy here in the UK and finally got to understand "direct marketing", from the ground up… THIS is when I made a decent break into marketing, as one thing I learned, If you are in business… you are in marketing and you need to know the basics of some of the old-timers who had to actually use snail-mail… yes… go buy stamps, go to the post box and then HOPE for results… THESE are the guys your Belchers learn from and sell to the LAZY (yes, we are by nature, VERY lazy… AND "BORED") this is why the credit card comes out, this is why this WHOLE dimension exists!
What you need like I did was a good slap around the chops :-)
I wish you all well in your endeavours and PRAY you seek out the right person to guide YOU on your way… it is NO fun going it alone when even your family laugh at you… we ALL need a MENTOR in business but these online marketers who are mostly CHANCERS are not the answer.
You need someone who has their nose to the stone… not a celebrity… not a good speechmaker…
Seek out someone who will put their boot up your ass :-)
Peace & Love
JJ
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Also, if anyones wondering about Ben Mack and why he has been shunned, heres the full warble… it's extensive so go take a pee first… (warning: this does talk about paedophillia and maybe not suitable for all to take read)… this was wrote specifically to Harris Fellman BTW…
http://boisesunshine.blogspot.com/2008/12/today-i…
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Perry's not "going" anywhere. If anything, he'll just go "undeground." In other words, he will work in the back room at Deiss' office and have someone else play the front man while he pulls strings. He's not going to walk away from the sweet smell of money.
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I first came to this under the vague notion that Perry Belcher was in fact an evil money-loving huckster with no regard for other people. Since seeing his replies, I have changed that opinion. Instead. I suspect he is a narcissistic sociopath. Not in a giggling snydely whiplash sort of way, but in a sincerely clueless “I’m mentally ill but I don’t know it” sort of way. Which is becoming more sad than funny.
The narcissism, of course, is inherent in his “everything I do is for the good of humanity” and his “I guess I’ll just keep my utter marketing brilliance to myself” threat, which would be utterly laughable if they didn’t betray the utter mental derangement behind it. But let’s give him his Mother Teresa act if it makes him feel good. Certainly there’s little else in his sad clueless life to bring him joy. Maybe that’s why he’s reevaluating. Good for him, if it’s sincere and not a lame scarcity ploy.
Do you know why criminals are given such strict rules to follow, Perry? Because they have proved themselves to be incapable of behaving in society without them. Either they are evil, or deranged, or stupid, or they just don’t give a fuck and want everyone they don’t like dead. At some point the authorities must move in and assume the role of parent, to either teach or FORCE the little darlings to behave in a way that won’t destroy society.
While it looks really good and cool and magnanimous to your fans to strike a noble pose and proclaim, “Show me where I’m erring and I’ll FIX it!” the simple, irrefutable fact remains: nearly every human being with the slightest smidge of a moral compass doesn’t NEED to have obvious things pointed out to them. (Psst: secret number one–THEY ALREADY KNOW.) They DON’T DO IT in the first place. Your proclaimed need to be SHOWN EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE–though you hide it well as a macho “open” challenge–is striking evidence of a complete, clueless lack of the very basics of morality.
Okay, so just about everyone at some point in their lives has come up with giggling ideas to rip people off or somehow thwart or torture our enemies. Harmless daydreams, for the most part, because most people DON’T ACT ON THEM. Not because they lack ambition or they’re not “do-ers”, but because they immediately recognize that, while it might make for an amusing daydream, actually DOING it is HORRIBLY WRONG. And they don’t need to have someone ELSE point out to them that DOING IT IS WRONG, either by telling them or arresting them. THEY ALREADY KNOW IT.
The ones who DON’T know it are sociopathic. Sociopaths aren’t all crazed murderers and serial killers–most of them just sort of fumble through life, staying above the law and trying to figure out all these odd, weird rules other people keep following. They are more than happy to follow the rules–few people actively WANT to get in trouble–but they never really get WHY.
Here’s an example. Most people don’t need to have it pointed out to them, through arrest and punishment, that filling empty capsules with sugar and selling them to sick people as miracle cures is not a “mistake” or “acting like a turd” but something that is UTTERLY, MORALLY REPUGNANT. They KNOW THAT ALREADY, just as they know that you don’t stomp kittens. (Psst: secret number two–don’t stomp kittens.)
But a sociopath doesn’t “get it” until they’re slapped. If they’re smart, they learn from their mistake and they learn not to fill empty capsules with sugar and sell them to sick people as miracle cures. But that one punishment does nothing when the next moral question comes along. Um, what if they fill the empty capsules with SALT, instead? What if the replace the empty capsules with “vague empty promises of wealth” and replace hopeless sick people with hopeless people with terrible money issues? It’s the same moral issue with a different wrapper. Something you learn in fucking CHILDHOOD.
People with a moral compass immediately recognize “oh, this is the same issue as the sick people” and don’t take advantage of them. Sociopaths don’t get this distinction. Instead every variation requires a new rule, and with so many rules, even if they have the best of intentions, the worst of them can’t help but screw up and wind up back in prison. Because all these moral rules are just so fucking confusing when you have no basis except utter bewilderment on which to ground them.
Of course it could still be that Perry is just an evil scheming fuckface, as well. Whatever–the dude is in serious need of therapy. Badly. Because he is going to wind up in jail again. Either way, he just can’t help it. I feel sorry for his family, his victims, and his most ardent supporters. And I can even feel sorry for poor clueless HIM. Why? Because most people AREN’T sociopaths, and can feel empathy, even for total strangers. Even for clueless total strangers who prey on others because they don’t know any better.
My advice is, if Perry don’t know any better, he’d better start learning pretty quick. God bless Salty for having the patience to answer his childish questions of right and wrong thus far. There’s gonna be plenty more, because the guy will never get it. Me, I’d just as soon leave it up to the authorities again. They’ll set him straight, or kill him trying. Either way, it looks like the whole entire world will soon have to suffer somehow through the dearth of Perry Products in our collective lives. *SOB!* However will we cope?
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SaltyDroid Reply:
September 11th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Awesome! I totally agree with almost all of that.
However :: this prohibition against kitten stomping is news to me. Perhaps that's why all my nieces and nephews hate me so much. Point taken …
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@KarinHiebert Reply:
September 12th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
WELL IF THAT ISN'T JUST THE BEST Comment, evaluation, analysis, I ever did hear!
I may have said that about another comment or commentator …THIS one is right up there with Brilliant!
why? cause it is 100% accurate! once again, right on the MONEY!
I did a standing ovation after i read it…a real one, not one of those fake ones ;)
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Cartman Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
That is a fabulous post
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Bingo~ {All of the above!}
Right on the Money
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I think Salty is onto something…..Perry and others are full of crap….no one can make money selling information online, or selling bicycles, or software, computers, etc.. It just isn't possible, and it just doesn't work. Amazon and many others will be heartbroken to learn this, lol.
Stupid is no way to go through life, loser.
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"If any of your “students” are successful :: It’s 100% because of them :: You are unnecessary."
But if they fail, naturally, it was o% because of them, and 100% because of Perry, or whoever, right, lol?
The loser mentality is strong in this one, lol.
Sad sad sad…..
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JJ :: Gr8 points … per the usual.
The ring system which you describe is evident to me from the outside as well. It's one of the lamest parts of this whole clusterfuck. No one sells a product to the n00bs called, "Movin' on Up! :: How to rise to the top of a criminal hierarchy" … even though that is clearly the ONLY path to success in the world of $1000+ info products.
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You don't have the brains to put words in my mouth son :: I recommend not trying again.
If you fail online … that's also 100% on you :: No fair blaming some retarded "guru." But you CAN blame him for whatever money he STOLE from you.
There is no bigger cheerleader in the world for the power of Internet to create a new {better} world. Soon everything will be online … and the real world will cease to exist. But Perry, Ryan, and all these other D-Bags will still be totally clueless about how to capitalize on it without resorting to crime.
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“If any of your “students” are successful :: It’s 100% because of them :: You are unnecessary.”
But if they fail, naturally, it was o% because of them, and 100% because of Perry, or whoever, right, lol?
The loser mentality is strong in this one, lol.
Sad sad sad….
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In reply to Belcher's comment: "You have convinced me that I’m much better off to keep what I know between my ears than to share it with a world of critics"….YES! Perry, do keep it to yourself and don't keep scamming these poor IM wanna be's. BUT…I don't believe you will do that for one minute. That's like Ken McCarthy of the System Seminar writing that this may be the last time he does a System Seminar…along with throwing in Marc Andreessen's name in nearly every email he sends out as if they were best buddies. But, I digress, he's nowhere near the Belcher type scammer. You can bet on this: Belcher can't and won't stop peddling this stuff. That's just another Becher lie. Bank on it.
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Salty, my son., as soon as you make your first million online, please share your methods with us. Until then you remain a whiney little bitch.
…and not a particularly amusing one.
By the way, when am I going to hear a tearful confession from you concerning your role in the theft of Belcher's property?
It will be amusing watching you rationalize your way out of that one.
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Are you aware that poor little Salty enabled and encouraged people to steal from Belcher?
Can you explain the integrity in that action?
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Just trim a little around the ears and stop the jabbering. Nothing worse than a talky barber.
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Does that make you sad? It seems like it does. Take an anti-depressive and seek counseling. I'm sure things will get better for you soon.
Maybe you'll win some gold at WOW or even get a job.
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Wanna learn how to collect 10's of thousands of dollars from the accident you just had? For $300 an hour (minimum 20 – $6000) – I got all the info you needs. This is clearly the only path to success in the world of $3000 to $40,0000 + info products since youse can't read the damn statutesezes.
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You might care to note that there are alleged online booksellers that claim to have benefitted from online marketing coaches out there that claim revenues that would make Amazon hide in shame. Alas, nobody seems to know them but their closely knit circle of friends, no publication on economy references them, and their totally unknown to my friends in the IT world.
Makes me think believing such claims and spending money based on those credentials is like paying child support for the "child" you had when you were playing "family" in pre-school.
Potemkin was a great realtor compared to that.
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It might have escaped your attention, Salty doesn't aim to be an online marketer.
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Oh, there's something way worse: people trying to sell you the emperor's clothes and people believing they're actually grabbing a bargain.
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"they're", that is…
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I'd like to add that Karin's got an impressive résumé to show for herself.
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LoL the writer of the blog is clearly a big LOSER
The content Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher deliver is golden and helped me to establish an online business that makes me $7k a month which is not to shabby.
Their programs are not magic pills, you need to take action and implement after they teach you.
And like always you have a money back guarantee, so I don’t see what’s the problem ?
The last product about social media, I didn’t like it and have no way to use it so I asked for a refund, but it doesn’t mean I will stop doing business with Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher.
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Mr. Smith Reply:
September 12th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Which specific content did you buy?
How long have you been using it?
Is the $7K gross revenues or net pre-tax income after deducting PPC and other expenses?
How many consecutive months have you earned this amount?
If the content is golden, why couldn't you use the social media product?
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SaltyDroid Reply:
September 12th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Tony :: If you want to come here and anonymously call me a loser, poser, asshole, etc. :: knock yourself out. I understand your fear … I'm scary … and smarter than you.
But making income claims without linking to your site is total LameAss garbage. Man up :: or fuck off.
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Sean Cooper Reply:
September 12th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
I agree. There are lots of scammers out there. I'm not sure about Perry Belcher, but Ryan Deiss is one of the few gurus that has done IM super-successfully in many niches outside of "make money". His content is solid.
And you made another good point: how is a guy that gives you back 100% of your money if you email him a "scammer"? I thought those were the guys who took your money and ran, not tried to give you value for money…
If you want to learn a little from these guys (Ryan Deiss, Perry Belcher) without paying, sign up for their email newsletters. They do pitch you their products a lot, but you can learn not just from what they teach you but by watching what they do. And you can unsubscribe if they get annoying.
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I would mock you for that stupid crap :: if I had the slightest clue what the fuck you were talking about.
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FYI :: If you sign in via any of the available options … you can edit your own comments.
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Hey man you are completely right – it's all about direct marketing. Most internet gurus learned most of what they know from a Dan Kennedy who teaches offline direct marketing. They just applied it to the internet. That's how they are able to make so much money.
"I once paid approx. $20,000 for my first website and all the TEXT was infact a GRAPHIC."
That's what happens when you have no idea what you're doing. I'm not attacking you personally, but you could have gone to elance.com or a similar website and had it made for a few hundred. You probably went to a big web design agency full of DESIGNERS who know absolutely nothing about MARKETING.
One more thing, it's not like Frank Kern said: "Hey, I'll get sued by the FTC then use that later as an underdog story to make people relate to me."
If he had covered it up and then someone dug up the document and posted it on a blog like this, people would have discredited him. But instead he revealed it and used it, and it built him up in people's eyes.
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He is mistakenly making fun of you for being an ambulance chaser when you could be making much more in information products. Of course, he doesn't understand that you're not a personal injury lawyer, $300 an hour is a pay cut for many attorneys, and the info product earnings claims are unsubstantiated.
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No. ALL attorneys sell highly inflated INFO-PRODUCTS. They create motions based on information that any person can find on Lois Law or any other legal case-law website. Whether it's $300 an hour or or $25,000 for a retainer. Whatever. It's a very expensive info-product with no guarantee of results and often times simple things are dragged out in the most inefficient ways possible in order to extract the maximum number of billable hours. Disgusting.
That's your AVERAGE attorney… NOT a personal injury attorney.
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Mr. Smith Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Most attorneys are not trial lawyers. Strike 1.
There is a difference between info products and services. Strike 2.
Unlike high school drop hot dog vendors who peddle rehashed Twitter info, attorneys have invested $250,000 or more in their education. There's going to be a markup to cover that cost the Belchers of the world never incurred in the first place. Strike 3.
You're out…of your mind.
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They don't sell info products but services based on the knowledge they are mandated to require and get testified on to be permitted to the bar. In plain language, they do not talk out of their derriere in lieu of vocational training.
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Merci, mon cher, I should do that.
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Wrong. They sell the equivalent of high-priced coaching – extremely similar if not exactly the same as what info-marketers do when they move you through their "funnel."
And Bar shmar. Requiring people to jump through hoops to become part of the racket is normal in any CARTEL. These barriers and requirements are simply a way to create scarcity where there is none and thereby artificially increase prices of those who make it to the marketplace.
A license to steal does not make stealing right.
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drop = drop out
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ALL lawyers look at case law – not just trial lawyers.
There services are based on publicly available INFORMATION.
Lawyers pay $250,000 to be part of a cartel which uses obfuscation and re-hashed INFORMATION to fleece the naive and helpless. It's sick, pitiful and it's why there are so many lawyer jokes.
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Now you're deleting your replies and mine? I thought you didn't do that kind of thing?
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Sorry they seemed to disappear for a minute and now the replies are back. My error.
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When ration fails, resort to conspiracy theories.
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???
A conspiracy is when there is a "meeting of the minds" to do something which is against the law. What does "conspiracy" or "conspiracy theories" have to do with this or anything I've said?
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Mr. Smith is right. You're missing the big picture.
Re-hashed information? Hardly.
Here's a typical scenario. A U.S.-based client wants to do an online joint venture with an Australian company. How should the venture be structured? Will a new business entity be needed? If so, where will it be formed? What type of entity? What's the equity split? Applicable securities and tax laws? What type of buyout provisions will there be and the triggers for a buyout? What laws apply to the venture? Who will have jurisdiction in case of disputes? Will there be alternative dispute resolution mechanisms? What about intellectual property? Who owns what? How will it be protected?
These are just a few questions…the answers will vary based on the parties involved, their goals, and the unique circumstances.
You will not find an info product that lets you "re-hash information" to structure the deal properly.
What you fail to comprehend is that intelligence, experience, and the ability to think like a lawyer are the ingredients you will not find in form templates, a case law database, etc.
Feel free to bash lawyers. However, when you paint with broad strokes based upon a small segment of the marketplace (the same B2C demographic targeted by Pre-Paid Legal), you're missing the big picture.
When it comes to B2B legal representation, the clients are at least as sophisticated as the lawyers when doing business.
What about B2C representation? I pay for legal counsel as needed as a client. For example, my wife recently adopted my son. We paid a qualified family law attorney to handle the matter. Yes, the attorney used legal forms (gasp!). That meant I wasn't paying for her to reinvent the wheel. Would the results have been any different if she manually drafted from scratch all of the court filings? The legal fees would have been higher. Why pay a stupid tax?
When we showed up for for the cattle call hearing (about 40 parties waiting for their cases to be heard), guess who was first in line? It wasn't because I was a lawyer. It was because my lawyer knew how the system really worked (not re-hashed info) so that we were first in line.
If you don't like attorneys, that's fine. You can choose to treat lawyers as the enemy and chances are that's all you'll encounter over the years. That's like stabbing a hornet's nest repeatedly and wondering why you continue to get stung.
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"Lawyers pay $250,000 to be part of a cartel which uses obfuscation and re-hashed INFORMATION to fleece the naive and helpless."
There's your answer.
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Sorry about the disappearing comments peeps :: IntenseDebate seems to struggle when there are lots of comments. Lame!
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That's not a conspiracy. That's a fact. Look up "cartel" if you don't know what it means.
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@MikeYoung – agreed. Not all lawyers are bad. Many provide useful services, advice, and recommendations that are worth far more than they charge. Then there are those in the profession that utilize near-extortion fees to rip off their clients; ambulance chasers, with less-than-admirable intentions, etc. Unfortunately, some scumbags ruin the name for many with good intentions and skill sets (happens in every industry).
@SaltyDroid – nobody regrets going to college? Wrong. Many graduate with $50k – $150k of debt, only to work in a profession that has little to do with their course of study and pay salaries pathetically low in comparison to what the qualification costs.
Before you resort to foolish over-generalizations, you should consult Yahoo answers to see if anyone regrets getting their degree – http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090…
After that, you should research what bright minds in the educational world have to say about college degrees – http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_school…
Finally, inventing an arbitrary price point on the value of information merely gives away your illogical bias against an industry – the pathetically un-objective cry of a zealot blindly dedicated to their cause. You should join the evangelical church after you get done lawyering – you can start a new crusade.
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Well, well, well, Belcher suggested that he might just keep his marketing smarts between his ears and not teach as you repeated above in this post. NOT SO! He sent an email out to his list today saying…"You only have until MIDNIGHT tonight to get started with the Social Media Money System before we close it again for the re-launch that is going to start on Monday September 14th.As I mentioned before, since you're on the waiting list we're letting you get started with the training immediately:"
In addition, he's still trying to get orders on another old product on his tested headlines. Yeah, right. Does Belcher really impress anyone as somebody who would bother to keep all those stats. They were probably on the computers the law enforcement seized when they arrested him if he kept tracked and kept them at all.
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If Belcher wanted to make a living in IM without scamming people surely he must have some adwords skills and knowledge and he could use that to run traffic to cpa offers and other affiliate offers. However, that would require too much work for him, tracking and testing offers, always hussling for the best offers and payouts.
It's not as easy as running a "social media" school" for the ignorant and "graduating" a class in month and preying on the next group of wannabes. Doors are open again, welcome to the next Perry Belcher Social Media class!
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He'll be back under a different name, all of a sudden a 'student' of his will make it big and he can sell stuff through them.
Anyone making the kind of income they claim, would not have time to create and or run any kind of internet marketing training, nor should they need to.
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It really doesn't matter what I think. The law is on your side and lawyers have a monopoly.
I could know how to structure the deal you posed in your question above but it's irrelevant – even if I wanted to offer that information to someone for free – why – because a cartel has a monopoly on the distribution of that knowledge and any dispensing of advice like that by me would land me in jail.
And as to your friend – understanding how to maneuver through a courtroom shouldn't be a mystery nor should it be based on cronyism.
Listen Mike – I like you. I read your blog regularly. I'm sure you give great advice and you certainly went to one of the best schools in the country for what you do. However, that doesn't change the fact that the prices you charge for the information you know are in great part based on false scarcity created by the cartel that controls the distribution of the information you have. Who knows? Maybe if there wasn't a cartel your brilliance could demand the same fees for your knowledge and keep the same demand – and that may be true – but it would certainly not be true for most of your Bar brothers.
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1. "Nobody regrets going to college" is a joke :: many of this sentences on this blog are a joke:: if you can't follow along maybe you should switch to USA Today.
2. The $75 limit was directed at Perry specifically … and was also tongue in cheek. I haven't appointed myself price fixer of the universe.
3. Why are you on and on about lawyers? Currently I'm blogging not lawyering :: I've never spent a single day as a "normal" lawyer … and don't consider myself a part of the profession. So just let it go :: Or set up your own blog and take down some bastard lawyers :: that would be hilarious.
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Hi Sean and thanks for your comments :-)
When I had my first site made… just for fun… here is what elance looked like…
http://web.archive.org/web/19991012152918/http://…
They were unheard of and Google was still in diapers :-)
I had no idea what the internet was at the time, I knew it was frustrating as it took 10-15 minutes to "dial up" :-)
At that time, if you wanted to be at the pinnacle of technology, just finding someone who made websites was like finding rocking-horse shit :-)
It took over TWO YEARS to find out that the text was a graphic! And get this, the text cost approx. $3000 of the 20K because I had a copywriter do it! What a waste :-)
I laugh about it now, but at the time… you can imagine!
And I'm not knocking Frank Kern in any way, but because Frank turned things around, people like Perry Belcher have cottoned on to this and now use the "storyline" themselves, oftentimes unscrupulously.
And just as I did years ago, I fell for a lot of the traps, I literally fell though the trap door of internet marketing and if a person isn't not savvy about the scene, it is extremley hard to work out who are the good guys and who you should avoid like the plague.
Its a great shame, but give sociopaths a plaground, they are gonna go and play. The internet is one damned big playground, with very few police.
Again Sean, cheers for chipping in.
Peace
JJ
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[...] enterprises that Perry is crafting with his very own fat fingers and the things he “knows between his ears.” [...]
I'm sorry, this is completely off-topic but I had to say, this statement completely made my Monday morning:
"Before you resort to foolish over-generalizations, you should consult Yahoo answers…"
I *almost* puked I laughed so hard. Going to check my pants now.
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Actually, the term wouldn't be stealing, it would be copyright infringement. However, giving a link to a non-secure area containing the information is not "enabling", and if people did or did not download the information, it would not be a violation, since they did not circumvent any digital protection systems to access the information.
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I Like Cartman…
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Perry is on my list of people that fall into this category: If his lips are moving (or if he's typing something) he's lying.
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Thank you Jason and everyone for posting this information out in the open and SEO'ing it so that people will see this information right on the first page of the search engine results. I watched some of Perry's videos and at first glance he seems like a cool and down to earth guy, but after reading the facts and speaking with the Sheriff's department I have come to the conclusion that Perry Belcher, like so many others, is a very good actor and has an uncanny knack for psychologically seducing people into his business schemes. I have truly learned a lot, Salty, thank you so much!! I hope these bastards die slow and rot in hell till infinity!!!! I'm still keeping my eye out for a Class Action Lawsuit on cHarlatan Phillistine
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[...] implicated that he was going to give up “the biz” :: and he almost sounded not-stupid {link}. For some {obvious} reason :: I didn’t feel like taking the “man” at his word. [...]
I would like to ask you to expose the other Guru’s as well. Good job. I’m glad to see this information getting out to the public. I’ve been victimized by more than my fair share of these people.
I do blame my own ignorance, but I also hope that others can be spared the cash and the shock of realizing they have been conned out of hundreds or thousands of dollars.
What do you think their wives really think of them?
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Wow. I stumbled across this site and man….
Just wanted to let you know that you are the exact reason why I do not talk about the money I make online. I made over $1200 profit/day for a few months and very few people outside of my family know anything about it. The reason is that if you are successful people with very misguided, negative, closed minded and miserable attitudes like yourselves will find a way to attack you.
Thank you for reminding me why the “internet marketing” market is NEVER worth going into. Guys like you who can’t believe it is possible to be successful and honest at the same time will always try to make you out to be some sort of criminal.
LOL at telling that guy to “man up ” and link to his website. Why in fugs name would I show you anything I do online? All you will do is find a way to make it negative/criminal. My guess is that deep down you are hurt by the fact that you are not successful and it doesn’t fit into your reality that someone as smart as yourself is not successful.
Either that or you are one of those guys that thinks he knows everything. That’s probably more like it. I run into guys like you in IT all the time. (seems like it’s server admins more than router admins… but I digress).
I noticed repeated references to how smart you think you are… well you probably are smart. Really smart. Hopefully you learn to deal with that like I have…
I learned long ago that being smart can sometimes be a hinderence. You see smart people don’t like to believe they don’t know everything and they (sometimes sub consciously) find ways to make their point of view “right” in their mind. It’s a defense mechanism.
Here’s another tidbit… almost all of the millionaires I have met and hung out with are not as smart as I am.
I honestly feel sorry for you guys. Good luck in life.
And yes I used a fake email address. Someone that thinks things should be priced based on the cost to produce is someone I wouldn’t be able to talk to very much. That’s a very odd point of view.
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_cartman_ Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Let me see if I have this straight….you don’t like to tell people you made money on the internet because you claim they will attack you, so you “stumble” across this site, decide you need to make a comment. Your comment is that you made money on the internet, but don’t like to tell people, because their are “negative” people (like us), and they will attack you….so you decide to tell “negative” people like us…I do have that exactly right?
Based on your post….what kind of intelligence do you claim to possess?
There is a difference between fluid and crystallized intelligence, and I am not sure which one you claim to possess (if any), but I would guess it was crystallized (in essence knowledge…so you probably know the Capitals of the United States is U and S). Someone with even “average” fluid intelligence would have a high enough level of pattern recognition and correlation (as well as reasoning), to understand that posting on this forum would go against “their own” basic construct of what they feel is acceptable to disclose (and to whom). Crystallized intelligence is one of the reasons you can have imbeciliacs with an above average IQ (ie. Rainman).
“My guess is that deep down you are hurt by the fact that you are not successful and it doesn’t fit into your reality that someone as smart as yourself is not successful.”- Chris
That line of yours is what is referred to as projection. You are externalizing the way you feel, and attempting to ”project” it to everyone else’s reality. The question I would like to ask is; What element are you missing that makes you feel you are not successful?
“Either that or you are one of those guys that thinks he knows everything. That’s probably more like it. I run into guys like you in IT all the time. (seems like it’s server admins more than router admins… but I digress).”- Chris
Ahhh…okay, now we are getting somewhere. So the element your missing appears to be your colleagues respect. Do you just feel they know more then you, or do they tell you this? The fact that you felt the need to bring up people you deal with in “real” life (to a group of strangers), all while posting to a site you stumbled upon, would indicate you actually value our input.
I’m available 24/7 (closed Saturdays, Sundays, Legal and Make Believe holidays and evenings), if you need to talk.
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SD Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
too good.
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Freudsteriffic Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Ah, Dr. _Cartman_, the academy has your award ready. You may pick it up at the drive-through window at your earliest convenience. :) Good analysis…
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Chris – if you’re so smart why’d you post from your home computer? I mean everyone knows that making up a fake email doesn’t stop someone from tracking your computer. Looks like you need to get a little smarter.
Second – if you’re so wealthy and you’re so good at your online business, then what are you doing reading this site? You should be SWAMPED with work, and if it’s not that then you should be OUT having a LIFE living it UP with all those thousands you make in ONE day alone!
I agree though, being highly intelligent can be a hinderance sometimes, especially if intelligence is not tempered with responsiblity, love and compassion for your fellow human.
Seems to me you’re worried about something and my bullshit-radar is going off. Bozo out.
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Bozo,
Awesome!
Chris = loser/poser. Go crawl back under a rock. Love the “i won’t talk about how much money I make, but…” boast. Did someone beat your ass one too many times on the playground?
Other Dave – seriously? You’ve “been victimized by more than [your] fair share of these people”? Why the hell would you admit to such a thing? Are you a slow learner? ”Just say NO.”
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Salty, you are great. You smacked down Perry Belcher – and wow, he was sooooo believable to people who want to believe – like me 6 kids, way underemployed, kind of creative and hoping, hoping hoping that THIS time it will be different…
I got burned a couple of times, so I don’t give my money out any more…but they are so tantalyzing at what they do…
And now, to the reason I’m writing: I know I can’t ASK anyone to do this – but there is an SEO outfit out tere USASEO PROS who is actively, consistently, blatantly, cruelly, ripping people off to the tune of just enough not to get sued $5K to “optimize!”
They sell newbies and desperate business people that they will get them lead, first pages, blah blah blah…and then they do nothing!!
Salty, you were thinking about taking them down…I’d love someone to just hack into their site, destroy them and leave no traces – and get my 5K back…
I can fill in they story – Salty has my naive, lame emails with them – I’m a Rabbi for goodness sake, I was just trying to transition into another career – and blam! Gosh, I’m like charlie brown and lucy with the football…
anyway…in regular life, I actually have some wisdom…but here I feel they didn’t just “puff” they totally misrepresented…and 5K is a lot of money to me right now…
anyone? anyone?
Salty, you have refreshed my belief in truth, justice and the american way! I mean you took him down! Go get the next one!
thanks
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just clicking so that I can see when people respond – remember usa seo pros – in Las Vegas…they deserive to leave this earth…
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Man, what an asshole you are.
With scores of scammy Internet marketers out there selling crap to newbies that have no business buying anything, you pick on Perry Belcher?
Yeah I’ve bought a couple products from him/them, but I’m not a big puppy-dog Perry Belcher lover because I’m in awe of his greatness. The stuff I bought worked, and worked well, otherwise I would have taken advantage of their liberal (dare I say risk-free?) refund policies.
After months of research and reading to teach myself a little bit about the IM industry, and after careful consideration, I spent $2,000 on their Wholesale Traffic System product. I read it twice and listened to all the CDs three times before I ever signed up for an Adwords account.
90% of my PPC knowledge came from that product, and after one month where I lost a bit while I continued to learn and hone my info based on that course, I NETTED a couple thousand the next month affiliate marketing. I then ramped it up to over $10,000 a month within 5 months – again NET. Am I a genius? No. I’m not stupid, but I studied hard, and worked between 12 and 14 hours 6 days a week. It’s called “personal responsibility.”
What was my ROI on the $2,000 purchase of Perry’s product? Pretty friggin’ decent.
Oh, and want to see proof of what I made? Fuck off. I couldn’t give a shit whether you believe this or not, why would I possibly want to prove any of this to someone like you who will twist it just for kicks. You think I’d spend this much time crafting a story to defend a guy months after the fact, who left the business and can’t possibly do anything for me? Actually, with all your whining and “poor little consumer” shit, you probably do.
Anyway, things have slowed down dramatically revenue-wise the later part of 2009 due to Google’s witch hunts, but that is fine, because affiliate marketing was just a place I wanted to cut my teeth on PPC while I finished having our debt analysis software built so we could create a real, lasting company.
We are getting close to launching that site/product, and have built a nice-sized list, very inexpensively, due to my PPC skills.
As I take that business to 7 figures within the next few years, certainly some of which I’ll owe to my PPC skills, not to mention the split tests, Belcher button, etc., again I ask…were none of my investments in Perry Belcher and Ryan Deiss’ products worth it?
Don’t get me wrong, I think are tons of scumbag Internet marketers out there with their formulaic launches, 47 no 37 no 17 copies left, “server went down” B.S., selling dreams to newbies with no adequate warnings and no remorse about using killer, compelling sales letters to rope people into buying crap with their last dimes (a la Arbitrage Conspiracy and many, many others).
But to lump Perry in with the bottom-dwellers? That is just somebody looking for a fight to get famous or to make himself feel better for not being where he thought he’d be by now in life. Actually, with all the time you spend whining about this…I can see why.
Have a wonderful day.
Scott
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SD Reply:
January 16th, 2010 at 3:21 am
Congrats on all of your invisible success. I’m surprised you still find the time to write rambling self congratulatory comments on old posts of a blog you hate.
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Frank Reply:
January 16th, 2010 at 3:23 am
So it’s ok that Perry Belcher ripped off thousands of sick people, as long as YOU were able to make a buck off him? Why don’t you contact Charles Manson and see what you can learn from him. Maybe it would get you even that much closer to the devil. You better hope your bank has a branch in HELL.
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Scott Reply:
January 16th, 2010 at 3:55 am
My point, and I’ll go real slow for Frank and also The Author, is that if his products were junk and ripoffs, how did I make money learning from them and executing?
I wasn’t saying screw everybody else, I was simply demonstrating that there must have been some value in them if somebody worked at it, studied, tested, and implemented.
After re-reading your post, I’m talking about the Internet Marketing products, by the way. If he “ripped off thousands of sick people” (and if that isn’t spin like all the BS you haters bring up about the IM stuff), then yeah, I obviously wouldn’t like that.
But, I’m not familiar with any of that, and I get the feeling that if I stick around here any longer to “research” it, that by the end of the night I’ll want to slit my own throat because of how horrible the world is to poor ol’ consumers.
Take some personal responsibility for a change.
Scott
P.S. For a blog that thrives on controversy, you wonder why somebody would find the time to vent and throw out their opinion? Just like Howard Stern (who I have always loved by the way, but I’m sure somehow you’d think he’s a scam too) – if I did happen to hate him, would I not call up his show to say I hated him? No, I’d enjoy calling and doing it, just like I enjoyed venting above. Did I ever say I’m too important or too busy making money to make comments on a blog? I don’t get it, but nice comeback man.
In terms of “invisible success” and “self-congratulatory comments”, other than help to illustrate my point, do you think I just like to see my name in lights on an old post that hardly anybody will ever see any more? I didn’t put my URL there because I’m not looking for backlinks, nor did I use my last name so that I could go tell my friends how wonderful I was and be famous.
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Neil Reply:
January 16th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
But you ARE famous, you are SCOTT Smith, for fuck’s sake! “WE” fucking love you. You are great, really. Well done. GOOD FAMILY MAN! Good. I read a story in that paper about you. You ARE great. No need to worry about THAT. Your friends already know what a sterling Scott Smith they have invested in. You SHOULD post your url because I am really excited about earning a reasonable income by following SCOTT SMITH’S masterful lead. Email me AT youareafanny@hotmail.com
SORRY I can’t stop RANDOMLY capitalizing my fucking WRITING as though shouting or OVER emphasising words THAT don’t need punctuatING!
Gie’s a job Scott SMITH, wadaya think? Could I sell stuff with my reasonable income copy?
I lik more then eye you. FOR shizzle.
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Well “Scott,” you conveniently ignore reality to rationalize your own amorality. It’s called situational ethics, and one day, karma is going to give you what you deserve. No doubt about that.
You are defending fast talking Perry Belcher, who is a convicted FELON (see “criminal” in the dictionary), now serving 10 years’ probation. That’s not minor. He scammed a lot of people, over many YEARS. If one of them had been you, you would be singing a different tune right now. Fortunately for you, he scammed other people’s grandmothers and “just a bunch of sick people” you couldn’t give squat about.
The SHORT LIST chronicling Perry’s wicked ways is at the bottom of this page (plenty of verifiable, credible sources, such as law enforcement, newspaper, TV, and authority blogs):
http://saltydroid.info/a-farewell-to-evil-jowls/
So go on defending Belcher and his magic advice that made you so rich and successful you have the luxury of patroling for blogs like this one and defending a convicted felon into the wee hours. Don’t forget to bill him for your “valuable” time.
That is, unless you are really a cousin, family member, or someone who regularly massages his loins.
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Yep, you got me pegged.
You know nothing about me, what I’ve done for people, my morality, etc. so shut the F up about that.
I saw a product from Perry Belcher quite a while ago, it looked good, it had a great guarantee, and he said directly not to buy it if you thought money would fall from the sky, which I respected.
Using – here it is again – personal responsibility – I did some research and bought the product. I followed it. It worked. That is my point – pretty simple.
Did I know that he was a convicted felon until last night? Nope. Did I defend him by saying anything more than a product I bought delivered on what was promised and provided a good ROI? Nope.
Not that it will change any of that above even one little bit, but yes, I will now do more research about him. There is no way in hell that I’ll get unbiased facts here, so it will certainly be elsewhere.
IF it turns out that he REALLY did scam people and it isn’t liberal spin, then yeah, that will certainly change my opinion of him. Would I have bought his product back then IF it turns out that was really the case? Nope.
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SD Reply:
January 16th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Why don’t you try reading more than one article before running at the mouth shit head?
http://saltydroid.info/the-perry-papers/
http://saltydroid.info/rated-g-reports/perry-belcher/
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Name Not Important Reply:
January 16th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Hello Scott
You said “IF it turns out that he REALLY did scam people and it isn’t liberal spin, then yeah, that will certainly change my opinion of him. Would I have bought his product back then IF it turns out that was really the case? Nope.”
I, for one, am glad you said that. This one statement tells me you did not have the chance to read the history before you originally posted. In this case, I can understand your confusion about why we (the people) would be up in arms about Perry Belcher.
So, please do take a moment to read the links Salty posted. They provide an excellent education into what the problem really is, and why people are so angry.
The Cliff Notes…
Perry created a company (Selmedica) that primarily did two things:
1. Produced vitamins and supplements
2. Produced special reports that promoted said supplements.
The problem started with the fact that the supplements were basically crap. Ingredients included sugar and ashes. No joke.
It got worse because they were being sold under false pretenses, making outrageous claims to cure everything that ails ya.
Add to this his faked clinical trials he used to sell them.
But this alone is hardly unusual, these days. Lots of supplements are sold this way and get away with it.
Things began going very badly for him when he used hidden “free trial now, and I’ll rip you off later” tactics.
You know, the whole “here’s a free bonus, but surprise you later with unexpected credit card charges” tactic that has become so prevalent these days? Yep, he tried that one.
And even then, it wouldn’t have been horrible if he had simply canceled billings when people asked him to.
Nope. He (and his customer support folks) ignored people who wanted to cancel.
And that’s when the authorities started paying attention to him, investigated, found his salesletters that lied about how his sugar pills would guaranteed cure your granny, and he was promptly arrested.
But, he didn’t stop there. After he lost all his assets, he needed some cash, so he started messing around with “social media”, and that’s when you met him.
It really is a long story, but an interesting one.
Basically, he scammed a lot of people out of a lot of money, long before his social media course came out. But some people have short memories and forgot about his recent past.
Salty helped to remind people that “once a con, always a con” and we are glad he did.
As Paul Harvey would say “And now you know the rest of the story”
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Thank you very much to “Name Not Important” for a logical, intelligent post – I didn’t think there was anybody with a brain on this site until then.
The facts make it easy to form an opinion – whereas BS about his IM products being scams (they weren’t), overpriced (obviously subjective), etc. makes it easy to sink into the depths of a barfight about this stuff.
So again, thank you Name Not Important, I appreciate it.
Oh, and to Neil – put down the bottle of Jack Daniels before you write next time (I mean Jim Beam – I’m sure you can’t afford Jack). I was trying to interpret your gibberish, but finally gave up.
Scott
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Ok Reply:
January 17th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
You’re still an idiot, Scott.
Perry Belcher’s IM act was also a scam. How, you say? He sold his outrageously priced bullshit “social marketing” rehash tied directly to huge, specific income claims. Problem was, those claimed figures were part of the income derived from his recent fraud – ripping people off selling them fake medicine. Meaning – you couldn’t replicate that based solely on his bullshit “teaching.” That made it false from the getgo.
Perry Belcher ADMITTED to this right here on this blog. Yep, he admitted he uh, “erred” in including those figures in his bullshit social marketing scam as well. Take your lazy, in-denial ass and read up.
Problem is Scott, you are NOT really interested in the truth, or morality: you’re a dark souled bastard and exactly the asshole you appear to be.
Oh, and didn’t you previously say you were done here? You’re also a liar. Prick.
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Neil Reply:
January 17th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
He he! Thatsh funny………Jim Beam! How do you come up with them?…hic…….brilliant
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Name Not Important Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Scott. I continued thinking about this issue after my last comment, and realized I had failed to address one of your points correctly.
You seem to be saying that because you felt his most recent product (the one you purchased) had some value to you, then we should take that into consideration and base our purchasing decisions on the merits of the products he currently sells.
(I’m paraphrasing, of course)
I got to thinking about that, because I’m all for judging based on current actions. Yet, it sticks in my craw that someone with a history like Perry Belcher, would ever be trusted by anyone again after being convicted of fraud. It also seems odd to me that anyone convicted of defrauding people from their money, should ever be allowed to sell anything again, and I think I figured out why it bugs me so much (as it bugs a lot of people)
If a child molester does his time in prison, and is released, should he ever be allowed to be alone with children again?
If a convicted rapist gets out of prison, should anyone trust him near their wife, daughter, or mother again? And if not, then should he be shocked and surprised when you won’t let him be a janitor at the local high school?
If a convicted dog torturer applies for a job at the local animal shelter, should he be angry that they won’t hire him?
Should Bernie Madoff be allowed to set up an investment fund in the future, from his jail cell?
So, by logical deduction, if someone is convicted of fraud, should he be allowed to start all over again, even if he stays away from vitamins from now on? Even if he never again touches the health market? Even if he promises to be good this time?
Hardly. And yet, by using someone else as his front man (to try and get around his probation rules), Perry managed to start all over again, and people just blindly allowed it.
I say, let Perry make all the money he wants as an affiliate, sending traffic straight to vendor’s webpages.
But Perry should never again be allowed to write a single word of “compelling copy” and he should never again make money teaching anyone anything about how to make money.
It would be exactly like a pedophile teaching other pedophiles how to access child porn without getting caught.
And that is why we are up in arms. It doesn’t matter how good his products might be or how much value some people might get from it.
He cannot be trusted to teach anything, and he can’t be trusted to process sales. His history has already proven what he thinks of his customers, so it is beyond me why anyone would ever trust him around their wallet again.
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SD Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
@NameNotImportant :: I’d also add that what Perry was doing :: Marketing Marketing to Marketers :: is in a trust “gray area” … AT BEST. Thinking that it’s cool to trust a trust felon in a trust gray area is just crazy talk.
I didn’t address Scott’s “arguments” because he made income claims {$120,000 per year} without linking to his sites :: so he is a poser who deserves only derision.
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Hate to admit this but I bought into the “Do it for you” level of this product and paid well over $2,500. I can’t find the sales page for this product and wondered what the guarantee/refund terms/period to claim against the guarantee for a full refund actually was, if you know that is.
I didn’t know about this site or the information about Perry and I’m thinking there may be some issues with this product/Perry Belcher’s integrity. I can’t help thinking it’s actually a waste of time. I’m considering (if possible) claiming against the refund and guarantee. Could anybody with a copy of the original sales page (this has been taken down from the web)please post a link on this site for reviewing.
Thanks.
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SD Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
@Can I Get A Refund After 7 months ::
Who cares what the refund period was? That whole thing is part of the sham they use to screw ya’ll over. That product was bullshit top to bottom :: it was not as advertised. You CAN get a refund :: and should.
For starters :: did he syndicate your “done for you” content to his lists as per the sales page?
http://saltydroid.info/anticipation-of-twitter-diarrhea/
… I’ll answer that for you … nope … he didn’t.
Demand a full refund. Tell Ryan I sent you over … me and him go way way back.
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Holy shit, you paid $2,500 for that? Ouch! Just remember the old saying, “the squeeky wheel gets the grease.” I know if it were me, I would definitely get a refund for that stuff, and I wouldn’t take “no” for an answer.
I’m sure others will chime in with suggestions here, but you should also email Salty (click on the “contact” button above) and maybe he can offer some advice.
$2,500.00 is HUGE money for that crap. You shouldn’t walk away from that!
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Almost forgot how I got here or what search brought me to “this place”. Before I comment, perhaps I should visit other parts of this site to see what it is all about, but after reading just HALF of the negative whining here in this post, I don’t think that I can stomach any more sophomoric lameness.
Obviously there are voices of reason here in the comments as some point out that “Mileage May Vary”., or basically if I were to buy a ready made website or a pre-packaged business system or go to a high priced (and higher hyped) seminar and then return home to Mommy’s basement to eat my McD’s lunch and wait for the “Internet Millions” to start flowing., .,
LOL
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Thoughtful Observer Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
LOL
Gimme a break, please. This is 2010, not 1950, ’60, ’70 or ’80 and although there be Rubes born every minute we do have the internet now (yep) and so RESEARCH is even more possible and plausible to accomplish very easily as long as one can put down their Playstation (or latest gamey, time wasting device) long enough to do a quick search on a given topic.
The OP’s writing smacks of someone who is still feeding off of Mommy (not that there is anything wrong with that) and NEEDS The Government (more Mommy) to watch over and protect them from The Big Bad Marketer Meanies. You speak of College, so I am guessing that you did that. Well, how about you take some of what you learned and apply those thinking processes.
Riding on the coat tails of Perry Belcher (or any other easy mark target) is SO mondo lame. Make a name for yourself WITOHOUT using someone else as a scapegoat and THEN you may deserve some respect. Foul language and false bravado does NOT bespeak of any useful intelligence. Soo., in your own terms sit down and STFU.
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Dirtbag Radar Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
@Thoughtful Observer, Your assumed name must be something you aspire to be, because it certainly doesn’t describe how you think.
“Riding on the coat tails of…any other easy mark target us SO mondo lame.”
SD rides on no coattails. If you haven’t noticed, this blog has no ads, no affiliate links, and clearly, no income whatsoever. It’s 100% public service. There is no gain. I won’t bother to question your IQ, because it would take too long for you to add it up using your fingers and toes.
Your vapid comment sounds EXACTLY like something a huckster would say. You’d probably love to bring back the lawless wild west. No need to point out the crooks, right? Why? Because it could somehow impact YOUR income perhaps?
Sleeze bucket.
There is nothing “lame” about alerting people to ACTIVE FELONS, of which Perry Belcher is in fact one. He’s a sly one, too, having scammed for years and years. I won’t get into the part about how he ripped off people with serious illnesses by selling them bogus drugs (for years), because you wouldn’t care, being as heartless as he is. But if someone shakes this guy’s hand, it would be wise for them to count how many fingers they have left.
This blog is more than just opinion – there is a huge amount of highly informative third party material referenced, particularly with regard to Belcher.
The fact that this is all lost on you (ie, ignored) says a lot about who you are, and who you are NOT.
Next pro-scammer comment?
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SD Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
@Thoughtful Observer ::
Thanks for the update regarding what decade we are in … I was wondering.
Quid pro quo of your update … I put you on notice that it is also no longer September 2009. We’ve all moved on … please join us by half reading a 2010 post and then commenting about my Mommy and my jealousy etc. You’ll have plenty of company … and no one likes to feel alone.
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