Proctor vs Schirmer :: Rumble in the Bumble
Do you know The Secret?
I sure as fuck don’t :: But I guess some people think they do. They made a movie about it, and a book, and blah blah blah … yada yada yada.
I steadfastly refuse to attack The Secret … So there is no fucking way I’m going to make myself read about it. There is already enough depressingly stupid garbage on my reading list.
“Why not attack The Secret … it seems pretty shady?” says you. “Suck it!” says me, “Mind your own!” The Secret was at least passively endorsed by Oprah {here}. I’m a pretty brave little Droid … but I’m not fucking insane. I don’t want NO trouble with the Queen of Chicago … You hear that Oprah? NO TROUBLE!
However, one turd egg laid by the tellers of this Secret {whisper whisper} … was FuckFace David Schirmer. He paired up with fellow Secreteer Bob Proctor {here} :: and started distributing Proctor’s “Life Success” program in Australia. “Life Success” … hmmm {ALERT :: Stupidity Sensors at Dangerous Levels} autorun.attackSequence-7 || Manual Override || run.StayCalm/fear_Oprah
Apparently, Bob and Dave had a lovers quarrel that ended with Bob suing Dave for a Divorce. These things happen … it’s always hardest on the children. But sometimes Daddies turn out to be schemers who couldn’t trade their way out of a garbage pale lined with Vaseline!
Here are the Court Orders from their break-up, saved as a public google doc {link}. Basically, Schirmer can’t use Bob’s name, or any of Bob’s company names, to sell his crap ever again. I guess Bob thought being associated with Captian DickHead was bad for business. But notice the last point of order ::
“the Respondents pay the Applicant’s costs of these proceedings agreed at $60,000.00, in equal monthly instalments of $5,000.00 with the first instalment payable on 1 May 2008 and each following instalment payable on or by the 1st day of each subsequent month.”
WTF? What kind of BullShit is that? Schirmer owes money to people all over the place :: Employees, Students, Investors, Church Members … Pimps, Hos, and Gangstas {preceding list may contain improvisation}. Yet for this entire year he’s been laying out $5,000 a month to Bob Fucking Proctor! Something tells me {and it’s probably GOD} that it’s Schirmer’s VICTIMS that need to be compensated with whatever limited funds DickHead Dave has left. Bob’s life is already full of LifeSuccess … yet he and his lawyers are getting first dibs on the Schirmer Corpse.
Justice is down … lying bloody in the street … and we just keep shoving sticks into her eye holes.
>>bloop
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Well, one thing’s for sure…DickHeadDave is clearly ‘guilty as charged’ when it comes to applying {or should I say ‘manipulating’} the basic tenets of The Secret {much} more for personal and material gain than for any real ‘spiritual’ purposes. Clearly, he fervently embraced the “Spirit of Opulence”. What’s really disturbing though is that, in the process of improving the quality of his own life, Squirmy flagrantly abused the very laws he professed to stringently adhere to. WTF??
I swear, Hypocrites himself could not have done a better job of practicing one thing {deceit, arrogance and dishonesty} while preaching another {honesty, virtue, humility}. Why, I’m willing to bet that if he were alive today, ole Hypocrites would be singing the praises of the Squirm-ster.
Also, how utterly ironic that Mr.’LifeSuccess’ himself should end up the recipient of what should rightfully be going to Captain Dickhead’s VICTIMS!! Kinda makes me wonder ~ what kind of LOA is going on there???!!!
Whatever it is, it simply ain’t right! I don’t care how you slice this turkey ~ it STINKS {like a turd}!!!
No question about it ~ justice is definitely DOWN for the count on this one!! <>
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Oh Dear God I have to agree with you. If David Schirmer screwed people in Australia and Bob Proctor could see he was a fraud then all the dosh going to dear Bobster should be paid in full to those dear loyalists. I freakin don’t know about any of it but I do think if Bob Proctor realised Schirmer was a fraud he should have made sure that ALL money he raised went to the people who bought into the I love Bob crap in the first place irrespective of what shitface Schirmer sold to them. Law of Attraction aside that IS what SHOUlD happen. I reckon all of those people would be backing Bobster so I think THEY deserve his DOSH from Schirmer. Who the hell am I to know though when shadey Schirmer speaks the ground vibrates so much that you’d think the titanic had struck the pyramids. I think Shitface Schirmer is nothing other than a money lovin feakin wannabe an I AM entitled to think. I want to know much more about this freakin hip separating sitiation.
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Cyprogirl :: Maybe the LOA does help with spiritual growth … but you if want to buy a $250,000 dining room table … hypocrisy and lies are what 9 out 10 dark demonic forces recommend. :)
Colin :: Agreed! Bob helped {at least tangentially} the ShitFace move units of product, and lent him legitimacy … that he’s been collecting cash from him all year fills my circuits with RAGE!
And if he such a high-roller … swimming in law of attraction success … how come he couldn’t pay the $60,000 in cash … he needs a whole year? That doesn’t bode well for people waiting to get their money back.
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The REAL secret is why so many neanderthals paid money to see and hear people tell them “what they think about will be attracted to them.” Instead they should have been told, “what you do not pay to the utility company this month will surely leave you in the dark.”
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Or if you don’t pay your company rego the Securities Commission won’t hesitate to strike of your companies. Looks like shitface is back home in OZ and has finally paid his bills to the Securities Comission but hell it took a while. Why does this guy have so many issues around paying bills? Where the hell is the faith and belief in success in that? and like sd said if he was swimming is cash then why the hell does he have to pay anything off? For sure he would come up with some shit excuse to cover his butt but it just doesn’t add up.
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D B Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
@popgoesaweazil, yea schirmer has had a string of companies close down in the last year. Don’t actually know what he’s got left but he is a shadow of his former self figuratively speaking (the arse ain’t got any lighter or tighter apparently). His greatest boast at the height of his frauduct was that he had 20 odd companies art work an estate and gardner and god there was probably even bubbles and squeak doing his dirty work and making his bed too. For anyone with eyes (and most people i saw had a functioning pair of them) who spotted his various indescretions while on tour it became quite an interesting experience. Later we discovered a lot of what he said he was going to do or doing was all plain faced bollocks. This dude has an amazing ability to piss people off with his bullshit wealth stuff. Well probably those he’s not currently screwing some how anyway. Gotta give it to him he had a mighty feast in the good times.
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Look this guy is a dickhead and full of himself and his excuses. I am waiting, like loads of other people by the looks, to see proof of his trading ability. As of yet (and I have been waiting for over 6 years!!!!!!!!!! during the best market in the history of our generation). I don’t trust the guy, I don’t believe the guy and I know his basic course only works in an up trending market so he will be pushing it like crazy right now because he should know (if he has an ounce of memory about what he’s been told) that the market won’t stay up for long and may go into a very long down trend in which case his course is shit and useless to all the idiots who were stupid enough to believe the guy and pay him for it. When he can prove he can actually trade instead of crapping on with a head full of material that he’s learnt from every other Gann teacher out there probably, I might start believing something but I’ve been waiting a bloody long time and I could be waiting till hell freezes over. I bet there are loads of people out there who want the same information and I reckon there are probably people out there like that guy who appeared on the very first A Current Affair episode in Australia who came from Monaco or somewhere, who would like to think they weren’t sold a pack of bloody lies. I’ll give the guy one chance and thats it because the lies are getting to me.
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What was the issue between Schirmer and Proctor anyway? Maybe Proctor didn’t like Schirmers filthy face all over his products because I know that Schirmer had the products produced with his shit all over them and it really lost its appeal because you just knew that he was grabbing as much attention and cash as he could on the back of Proctor. Whatever it was I just checked out Schirmers websites and he is still saying he was doing a 48 hours server upgrade since 6 April. If that is any indication of the sort of truths the guy lives by then hell, I feel sorry for anyone who got involved with him even Bob Proctor. I like the Proctor products but I sure as hell don’t want some idiot pushing his shit on me that way because its Proctor I’m buying not Schirmer. The guys a dickhead, a selfish, greedy, money hungry, loser.
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To start with Schirmer and Proctor is like BLACK AND WHITE. Schirmer is a shitty wannabe and Proctor is an experienced grandpa!
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Look Schirmer is a fuckin wannabe END OR STORY. Proctor knows his stuff.
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Comparing Schirmer and Proctor is like comparing apples to oranges you can have a conversation with.
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Bobby made a big boo boo getting sucked in by that Aussie guy. I doubt any of the people in the movie secret are totally clean but that Aussie guy seriously looks sounds and is the odd one out. I’ve been trying to look up his trading stuff and their is nothing out there except people wanting to know why hes making any claims at all when the only returns that made it public so far are that guy on the tv shows where the Mr Schirmer lost a whopping hopping 85%. I’d be hiding my damn face if I were Schirmer but he does seem to have pretty thick skin. Maybe he’s related to those crocodiles from Queensland where he comes from. He seems a real crock!
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Hah! Schirmer’s latest lapdog, Benjamin Bressington, aka “mongrelstyle” was CAUGHT a few weeks ago maliciously vandalizing Schirmer’s Wikipedia page. He tried to remove all the negative references to Schirmer in the news and just have a (illegal) fluffy advertising page. Luckily his work caught the attention of an anti-vandalism patrol who switched it back within a few minutes.
Nice try, but no biscuit, poochie! Try reading the RULES next time! Like:
“A Wikipedia conflict of interest (COI) is an incompatibility between the aim of Wikipedia, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia, and the aims of an individual editor.
“COI editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote your own interests or those of other individuals, companies, or groups. Where advancing outside interests is more important to an editor than advancing the aims of Wikipedia, that editor stands in a conflict of interest.
“COI editing is strongly discouraged. When editing causes disruption to the encyclopedia through violation of policies such as neutral point of view, what Wikipedia is not, and notability, accounts may be blocked. COI editing also risks causing public embarrassment outside of Wikipedia for the individuals and groups being promoted.”
Consider your smoochie poochie boyfriend publicly embarrassed–even more than he ALREADY WAS!
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Do not despair, people. A little known sub-secret of The Secret is that you can attract money BACK to you that you once had (not just “new” money). Kind of like a metaphysical repo man. If you would like to know more, be watching for the upcoming launch of “Gimme Backee” which will include many bonuses, manuals, teleseminars, and a portable lucky amulet for ultimate travel success.
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Schirmer just knows how to USE people and just watch he will claim that he didn’t know Bressington was doing a thing leaving the guy out in the cold because thats what these types do. Seriously that Bressington guy must be freakin blind. Cant he see that he is probably being USED just like all those other people who went before him? Look at the last person to come out of that hell hole who admitted believing Schirmer and supporting him only to have his eyes opened in the end. Has there been ANYONE who has not been screwed over by that Schirmer guy? I feel so sorry for people who have been in this position because it really destroys trust and belief in people when people like this publicly claim to be experts and screw those who once supported them over behind their backs it is very damaging. We all know that Schirmer and all his like minded cronies will claim innocence, what crook doesn’t continue in total delusion, they have become so practiced at their deception and manipulation that they just don’t know any better. That is when they are at their most dangerous!
Oh and by the way aren’t both Schirmer and Bressington claiming to be CHRISTIANS? Tells you everything doesn’t it. So the CHRISTIAN thing to do is to go editting all the bad stuff to make a person look good? Wow interesting and frighteningly evil. “Sorry Father what that guy said about me just isn’t true, look at me, I’m a perfectly honest, loyal family man, just read what I say. All those other people are just deceitful liars, trust me.” Oh My God you can see it all before it even happens. That is really sad.
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Just checked out wiki and what is just hilarious is that they say something like “it read like some marketing fluff” so they removed whatever it was. David Schirmer writing something that sounded like marketing fluff and editting what people say about him, never. If he is so worried about what others are saying about him then its a very loud message that he needs to START LOOKING INSIDE. God he must really hate who he has become.
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This is just a copy and paste from someone elses blog but I thought the comment was appropriate for several people on these blogs.
“…I am not Australian so I may not be fully conversant with the local culture but When anyone gets out in public proclaiming great success, knowledge and understanding, it is the publics duty to test whether this person is who they claim to be or whether they are just promoting themselves to convince others they are someone they are not. This is especially important when these people are expecting to get paid for their “skills” that they market.
Most honest people that succeed go about doing what they do best without all the fanfare, self-congratulations or self promotion. By doing what they do best honestly and with good moral and ethical intentions then success and fortune often come, and most of the time nobody knows who they are. It is always the ones that beat their chest and tell you how good and successful they are that you need to scrutinize a little closer. There is a good chance that if you have to tell others how successful you are and how far you have come then there is reason to be doubtful of the story.
It is also important to remember that a good conman is always believable, that is after all their major talent. A conman with an ordinary story is not a conman for long.”
Well said don’t you think?
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Anyone associated with these guys will need more than a lucky amulet.
Bob Proctor should compensate the people who supported him and didn’t screw him over like it appears Schirmer did. Yes of course Schirmers story would be the exact opposite he has to maintain that crap to save his face and what a face that is too. If these guys believe in the Law of Attraction then the shit they get is as a result of the shit they gave and in Schirmers case must be continuing to sprout crap to continue to get it. How dumb can a person be to not see the freakin obvious.
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This is how these sorts of people work:
When an individual is humiliated their perceived value of the group that these people have created around them is raised.
FUCKIN SIMPLE!
When people have been TOLD TO BELIEVE that something is missing in their lives WHETHER IT IS OR NOT IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT they are forced to FIT IN with the group they have suddenling found themselves aligned with. THIS IS HOW THESE PEOPLE CONTROL OTHERS AND MAKE THEM THINK THAT THEY NEED WHAT THEY ARE BEING OFFERED.
It is bloody mind manipulation and they all practice it INCLUDING that dickhead in Australia, David Schirmer. Amazing what some people will do to feed their greed and ego.
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What was Proctors beef against Schirmer anyway? I bet he was just as frustrated as all those other people trying to get an HONEST answer out of Schirmer. What an awful man.
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Guess what my motto is: never NEVER N-E-V-E-R GIVE UP!!!!!!
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If these people spent as much time fulfilling their promises instead of making or repeating so many ridiculous philosopical quotes about nonsense they could resolve some of their problems. They are completely ignorant to their own problems. They spend all their time telling other people that they have issues and unfulfilled desires and they completely ignorant to and fail to see it in themselves. It is utter bullshit. That is the first sign of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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These sorts are always so wise in what they say. Thats it, its all words, full of bullshit and talk. Incredibly boring and brain dead.
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It looks like that what David Schirmer is doing wrong is that “He is doing certain things but he is NOT doing things in a certain way!” (Quote: Bob Proctor for Wallace D Wattles) and THAT IS the difference. You just don’t screw over people who support you as it appears he has done (i.e. destroying all your bridges). Bob Proctor probably had enough of the guy and so has everyone else it seems. Those who are really wealthy have done everything according to the Laws that Mr Proctors speaks of and David Schirmer on the other hand appears to have done everything opposite. I have watched this guy for a very long time and it has been one lie after another and one person walking away from him after another. Now that doesn’t happen unless something is seriously wrong no matter what his excuses are (and by his own definition they are all just excuses).
You cannot go sprouting publicly via marketing or on a TV show or anywhere and promote your wealth creation crap without being 100% truthful about what you are claiming. Not only will the jury of public opinion anihilate you all the others will too eventually. You just leave yourself open to lawsuit after lawsuit and in this case this guy should be bloody thankful that so far he has escaped that much. Or has he? In Australia there is currently action happening for a similar situation and I bet the people behind it thought it had all washed under the carpet because it was something that was said and done about 6 years ago. What these people do not get is that they can be taken on about it at ANY time in the future. YOU JUST DONT LIE, SIMPLE! I don’t think there is a time limit for misleading and deceptive conduct, it can even happen 20 years down the track. It is possible that these people including Mr Schirmer may find themselves in this situation anytime in the future and I find that pretty ironic. What I do find even more ironic is that David Schirmer is claiming to have all the answers to being rich, wealthy, successful, having fantastic relationships, being able to make whatever choice to do whatever one wants whenever one wants and a look into those areas of his life he appears to have none of that in reality. That is not a person I would want to learn how to be successful from and the new found religious tone only makes it even worse. I am not against anyone having a belief but I am against people using their own belief as a means of being deceitful and manipulative and again that is the misleading and deceptive issue that they have to answer for.
I am one of those thinkers born out of the last great depression who have a belief that anyone who has to tell the world what they and their wife and kids are up to, obviously has not made it. Its a turn off and I walk the other way immediately. I imagine many people have done the same thing, voted with their heads and their feet against alot of these people and it will continue to happen in fact it will probably get much worse given that so many are losing so much.
One thing I do find interesting is that you don’t hear of Bob Proctor claiming to have the billion dollar mansion, the rolls royce etc. Your hear him speak of his business associations but nothing material. Anyone who has to resort to material posessions as a means of attracting buyers is showing the world just how shallow they are. I don’t believe Bob Proctor is all clean and dust free either and neither and neither am I claiming to be. You just don’t hear him blaming anyone else or crapping on with a million excuses publicly about why he failed in this or that. It does appear that at least to the public he lives what he teaches. I am not a follower of either people but I can see what the issues are that everyone has with these people.
Mr Schirmer change your bloody attitude! Understand what the word HUMBLE really means and know real freedom.
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I have investigated Schirmer and what he is claiming and this is complete bullshit!!!!
“(quote)David learned when he went from $50,000 debt, near eviction, disconnected utilities and trying to support four children with Lorna, to a multi-millionaire with 20 business streams in 12 years.(unquote)”
David Schirmer is nothing but a freakin liar! Beware of everything he claims he is and does. Do yourself a favour and get in touch with everyone who has ever had anything to do with him in the past, search the authorities and look what you find. Surprise after surprise, bullshit after bullshit after bullshit. They spend so much time lying that they dont’ know what is truth any more and they are so bloody stupid that they have not picked up how much people have picked up on the lies.
I have investigated several people and none of them come up with so much bullshit as this guy. I don’t know what he is trying to prove or who he thinks he is but he is bound to have one hell of a fall coming his way soon. My advice to him, keep it up dickhead and you won’t know what hit you!
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I heard that the Rhema Church in Melbourne Australia that the Schirmers attend to convert follows into clients saves arse souls. True. That is quite an achievement
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The only loser in all of this is David Schirmer. He made choices that he will have to live with forever. It is up to him to change his ways to make things better. It is his choice. Only his choice. A choice that he only can make. A choice that will mean looking deep inside maybe even disappearing from his personal experiences for a while to evaluate his choices. At the cross road there is left and right, that is the choice. If he chooses to follow the same path he will get the same results, even he teaches that.
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It is not surprising that Proctor got sick of these people because we are all sick of them. They are so up their bloody arses that they have no idea what daylight looks like any more. Mrs stupid has a quote on her twitter “What is your life known for? What will you be remembered for?” What a dumb arse bloody quote because they will be known for everything that they did to feed their own freakin faces. They will be known for gimme gimme gimme and stuff you. What a freakin legacy. I think they thought they made the big time when they got in the movie the secret. All those people could see where the big dollars. They didn’t give a shit about anyone else that was so bloody obvious but that movie has turned out to be the biggest marketing exercise ever and now its known mostly for a list of people who NOT to get involved with. So Mrs Stupid will, along with her even more stupid husband, be known for all the wrong that they have done. Even if they have done some right it all counts for nothing when you screw people over and it looks like that is exactly what they did and deliberately too.
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David Schirmer is a fucking disgrace, that is all I can say!
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LOL I found this on another blog and I think it is priceless!
I’ve Gotta Find Me A Scam
lyrics by Cosmic Connie
Music by ??
I’ve gotta find me a scam
Make people think
That I’m more than I am
Give ’em a little and make ’em want more
And herd ’em in droves to my Internet store.
They’re gonna make me a star
If I make ’em believe
That they’re more than they are
Make ’em believe that the world can be theirs
And that they’re all destined to be zillionaires.
I’ll forge an online community
Make folks believe
They’ll get special immunity –
Shelter from plagues or a stock market crash –
If only they’ll give me their trust. And their cash.
I’m gonna buy me some phony degrees
A B.S., an M.A., two fake Ph.D.s
I’ll talk quantum physics, I’ll quote from the Buddha,
And no one will know (much less care) if I’ve screwed a
Few thousand folks on my way to success
Long as I bilk with a bit of finesse.Maybe they’ll pay me to pray
Or simply to chant
All their problems away
With four magic phrases, or one magic word
That rational folk would find droll or absurd.
All I’ll be selling is hope
Worth more by far
Than the best Maui dope
Granted, the high doesn’t last quite as long
And costs a lot more. But is that so wrong?
It’s what people want, after all:
Bright shiny visions
To keep them in thrall
It’s all in the packaging, all in the hype
Oh, I can make millions by marketing tripe!I’m gonna bundle some mixed esoterica,
Pilfer some symbols from Native America,
Quote Albert Einstein, channel some dead guys,
Make up some buzzwords to make me appear wise.
Claim I’m a healer, say I’m hypnotic,
And hook ’em on hope (it’s the greatest narcotic).Yeah, I’m gonna find me a scam
Make folks believe
That I’m more than I am
Make ’em believe that I’m endlessly wise
Till I even believe my own ludicrous lies!
copyright © 2009 by Connie L. Schmidt
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David Schirmer is the most arrogant, rude, dishonest, self absorbed, deceitful individual I have ever met. He comes across as very genuine, charming and knowledgable. That makes him a CON in my view! His results are proof enough of my beliefs and he would have to make a bloody big change in his life to make me think differently about him now.
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Lets face it the personal development industry has had its day so what does a person do now? Try to sell a trading course of course. A trading course that does not work in a down turning market and he has never shown that he has used himself. All he can do is quote what other people might have done which is impossible to prove. Only fools fall for testimonial crap. This guy knows that and so does everyone who has ever bought his course too who has tried to use it. Like others I believe he has a couple of months to sell his course to us stupid Americans and then we’ll be squealing because its not working. You watch, I predict he will have a big marketing job happen soon and then he will disappear after about October this year because he won’t be able to cope with the questions. Isn’t that exactly what he has always done? We need to learn and show those Aussies that we aren’t that stupid, we won’t fall for con stuff.
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Hey, Droid–if Rhema Ringworm keeps quoting Bible verses at you, why not suggest to them a little something called Matthew 7:15–17?
“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit.”
And this is a direct quote from JESUS HIMSELF, not from some wanna-be letter-writer!
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Bible Quoter :: Good idea. Done!
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http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/investigations/
Schirmer has appeared on National TV in Australia 6 times, what an achievement. Does he not get it that we can’t stand him or his crap. He has screwed people over to line his own pockets so to us he is filth and the scum of the world. He has stooped to quoting bible stuff because thats all he’s got left and even that he sucks at because he doesn’t live it. Living it does not involve telling people what they should be doing or preaching anything to anyone about just how good you think you are. You shut your bloody mouth and go into a hole, the hole in your head, and you listen. You listen to what you are supposed to be hearing and then you start listening to yourself and realise what a bloody dick you have been for so long. What you have done to others should make you run like a bat out of hell and start doing the right thing by people. Telling people that you are doing the right thing is wanker material, you need to live it. This guy has lost everyones attention and respect because he is a greedy bastard who in the daylight for all to see does everything for himself and doesn’t give a shit about anyone else including his own family. He does the usual crap on about how amazing his relationships are when everyone who has ever known the dude knows he fools around with everything that wears a skirt, good christian dude and all apparently. He is paying today for sins he committed oh lets see maybe even 20 years ago by some accounts. That means that for the next 20 years, if he continues on the same path, he is going to get this punishment for that long plus interest. Everyone is sick of idiots like this who think they are experts at everything that they can dream up and treat people like shit. The stupid bloody wanker. I hate nothing more than people who claim to be faith walking christians and behind everyones backs are deceitful, dishonest and are basically parasites sucking off whoever they can to satisfy their own wants. This dickhead is top of the pile of shit in my view.
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Let me just say that anyone who involves “dancing, hugs and conga lines” in their workshops have something to cover up for and real issues. I can’t believe that Proctor got involved with Schirmer in the first place. I guess he was hoodwinked too.
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Oh but Mr Schirmer is an honest christian family man LMAO.
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The Schirmers should be uplifting, inspiring and motivating THEMSELVES to be the best that they can be. How they treat other people is a bloody disgrace and what they do behind peoples backs is even worse. They seem to be continually playing the fake cover that they are good honest bible bashing people which is pathetic. Its very sad that people hold themselves in such high regard that they cannot even see past their own selves or what they have done. They say hot air rises and I think that applies to these people.
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Go Bob screw the lying thieving bastard.
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I think David Schirmer should consider very carefully that if he had to face his own mortality today would he be happy with the way he has treated people? Especially those people who it seems once fully supported him by believing what they were being told by him? Is the mad scramble to get rich worth the results? Are lies and deceit worth it in the end? What I get from this guy is just nastiness and acting up from someone who instead of acting with respect, gratitude and dignity has been acting like a spoilt child stomping their feet expecting everyone to give so they can get what they want. I fully understand how so many have walked away including his apparent one time friend Bob Proctor but what I don’t get is why a person in this position doesnt get it themselves.
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Isn’t it so coincidental that now that Proctor has sued Schirmer and Schirmer is not allowed to have anything to do with his products, he is now GIVING THEM AWAY FREE!!!!!
Schirmer is giving away the Science of Getting Rich stuff which I had to pay very dearly for. He convinced me to sign up for it and pay him but now he is not allowed to have anything to do with Bob Proctor he is giving it away. I find those sort of ethics absolutely disgusting and I am spreading the word on what a digusting greedy bastard he is.
“Genuine SECRET TEACHER “Science Of Getting Rich” 3day seminar 4 FREE http://ping.fm/cI0IM Why pay $$ for SGR! plz RT”
That is off Schirmers twitter page. I am certain he will lose a lot of clients now.
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Schirmer is a twisted arrogant bastard whose claims of being a christian are a cover up for his greedy selfish ways. No doubt he used Bob Proctor just the same as he used everyone else. No amount of faith will help someone like that overcome his affliction. He should be locked away for a while to watch over and over and over again the hurt and disappointement he has created in so many people lives to understand what he needs to do to become a true christian. It is possible that the same problems runs in the family but in a different way. If you start looking into the family history its a sad sad situation. I guess its possible that is enough to drive anyone to pretend they are something they are not. Too bad he can’t be better than that.
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I have heard that Schirmer has been removed from all association with Life Success completely zipperdy do dah day. He apparently denied having investors which pissed everyone off especially those people who funded the investment when he apparently put nothing into the investment but took everything out. The dickhead tried to claim it wasn’t an investment but on the front cover of the agreement document it clearly says Private Investment, just check out the ACA video. This guy is a raving looney and I bet he thinks he’s Jesus too. Any wonder he’s in so much trouble who the hell would want to be associated with him.
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David Schirmer is one of the most arrogant people I have ever met. He was taken to court by Bob Proctor and told never to have anything to do with Life Success ever again, so what does he do, he does the CHRISTIAN thing of course and continues giving away the Science of Getting Rich (although technically he can but morally he should not) and selling his Aussie Born Rich program which is just a recording done of a Life Success seminar which he was able to do under his old company which I believe has also been taken from him (another massive vote of no confidence it seems). There can’t be too many more arrogant fake CHRISTIANs out there than this surely? You would think (that is if he is living what he is attempting to sprout everywhere) that he would just do the christian thing and just leave it all and do something of his own but no not David Schirmer. It seems like everyone else has got the message about ethics other than David Schirmer.
The sad thing is they will never do well whilever they maintain such a faithless heathen attitude. The only way for them to get ahead is it cut the connections completely otherwise they will forever be despised for all this arrogance and disrespect they’ve shown everyone. In my view his wife is not only endorsing his behaviour she is enabling it and equally guilty of all things down, dirty and deceitful and she is being judged the same. I’m not saying I have a complete understanding of being a christian but I sure as hell know that ‘aint a christian way to act or treat people.
I suppose they could be called christians, HEATHEN CHRISTIANS, now they might be trying to create a new following of rebel christians. Forget the KKK, here come the HC’s.
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Funny thing is the only people who seem to respond to Schirmer are WOMEN, eeewww!!! He seems to have this little following of women who agree with everything he says and one has even told him that BLAME IS B-LAME and he still doesnt get it. He continues on quoting verses from the bible and other stuff oblivious to the fact that the people who matter are completely ignoring him. Its actually quite funny really that someone who has such a high opinion of themselves is blind to the fact that people who really are making it in life think people like him really are b-lame! They deserve to be treated like a joke and incredibly, they are.
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Just ask the guy he thinks hes the centre of the constellation….of what I’m not certain but probably first class dickheads.
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In my view David Schirmers incessant greed destroyed absolutely every shred of trust and that meant everything in that business.
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Schirmer is now sucking up to a guy called John Smart (he’s already using him check out his web page on the bottom – John Smart’s Growth Unlimited LLC or Wealth by Choice Pty Ltd or WinWin Marketing LLC). John Smart has apparently sold his Neways business so Schirmer now knows hes got money….god help him. Its almost like clockwork isn’t it, tick tock tick tock you got the money I got the shock tick tock tick tock. That smart guy (He can’t be true to his name associating with an asshole like Schirmer) will be running like hell soon for sure. I bet hes got all of Schirmers fast talking global massiveness we are going to rule this damn kingdom called Schirmerdom in his ears and he probably copped the charm to match it and fallen for it hook line and sinker for the lot of it. I think its funny to watch this Schirmer guy because over he years he has alway sucked up to people who have money and screws them over and then wonders why the hell they hate him. He is one super jealous SOB who doesn’t like doing real honest work for his dosh, he would rather find a way around the law to steal it from people than earn it. Will be fun to see this one play out.
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David Schirmer is one person from Australia that I just do not trust.
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LOL what are Mr and Mrs DumbShit doing now? Have they found someone else to suck up to because they’ve run out of friends and money? Wonder if they are keeping up with the rent these days?
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Anyone attempting to convince the public that they are FAITH WALKING CHRISTIANS are really only trying to convince themselves. Who in Gods good name would believe that this guy is a christian. Seriously, anyone who has any idea how these people attempt to operate knows that they are hiding behind their pathetic company setups just to say they owe nothing to anyone. Honestly how patheticly weak and unchristian is that? If they think its tough now well it will now get a damn site tougher. I am disgusted to the core that David Schirmer dares publicly state that he does not owe anyone anything and I only know a very small bit of what he’s done to someone. That proves that he is the most deluded individual on this planet and that there is not a christian bone in his body. He is a bloody disgrace and he knows it.
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Nothing makes dickheads like David Schirmer more pissed off than knowing that the people he thinks he has won against are doing really really really well. It must ache in his gut knowing that there are people out there who he treated like shit doing absolutely amazingly now and none of it is thanks to him except the part when they told him to get (*cK(^)…. they are doing it from their own bloody hard work and HONESTY. God it must feel good.
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Looks like Schirmer isn’t keeping up with his bills because yet another company is facing strike off action with the Australian Corporations Watchdogs ASIC. I wonder if he’s keeping up with the rent too. And anonymouse you don’t mean to tell me that someone like David Schirmer would not pay his rent or his bills on or before they are due do you and surely not his rent???? Isn’t he supposed to be a WEALTH CREATION EXPERT, LMAO….Oh too funny.
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I just realised what Schirmers INFALLIBLE CURE FOR POVERTY is. He does it like this…. I have nip into my lawyer and do up a few little agreements between me myself and I and my companies and that makes me feel really fat chested because I can now screw you and you’ll never get your money back because I have no conscience and no shame. I run my companies on nothing and say I earn nothing and have nothing and I just use all of your money to live on and give you nothing too and I pay noone and look at all this stuff they give me for nothing. All the nothingness sound fair? Well that is Schirmers infallible cure for his own poverty. Pretty pathetic from a so called expert.
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OH FOR CHRISTS SAKE THIS IS THE LAST STRAW! Schirmers quote on his Rhema Melbourne twitter page.
“Thanks Mate … from Downunder, the land of the holy spirit”
My interpretation of this Schirmers crap.
“Thanks fool … from Downunder, the land of oh holy shit”
Now how desparate is that! Yes he has to convince himself because he ain’t convincing anyone else. I am an Aussie and I find this guy gross but mostly grossly embarassing. I reckon if all those people that he screwed over saw that quote they would spit in his face and laugh out loud. In fact Schirmer might as well start up his own church and call Schirmers Oh Holy Shit Church that would be more convincing but he wouldn’t be able to keep his hand out the collection plate or off the fairer sexed worshipers and thats the biggest worry. This guy should just fill in the hole because hes dug it so deep there ain no way out now.
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David Schirmer is a person who needs to eat a massive dose of HUMBLE PIE.
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Schirmers little greed trip cost a lot more people than we the public have been told about. What about all of the Life Success coaches who have lost an entire business because of Schirmers actions. What annoys me most is that this is a man who has claimed for years to understand the mind yet he spent the entire time manipulating people to believe him when it appears he was looking after himself behind the scenes. What a disgraceful example to his kids. Thanks to Mr Proctor for distancing himself, not that I think Mr Proctor is a saint he just doesnt screw good people over to fund his own interests like Schirmer does. As a result of this saga I no longer have any faith in any of those types of people or books. David Schirmer might be attempting to claim religiion as his saviour but everyone who has any idea of what he got up to knows much better than to believe anything he says any more. Its actually very sad as they appear so deluded and are dragging more good people down with them.
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I felt so sorry for those people who appeared on the tv because I know some of them and I know they would never take things that far if they did not think it was serious. What have the Schirmers achieved from their greed? A few nights sleep in a lonely hotel room, a few nice dinners while their kids run rampant at home looking after themselves, a few moments on stage feeling so important and less and less friends as people saw through the entire charade. All of it is just living a fools life of lies for appearances. Now that is the essence of stupidity and unless they admit their own foolishness to themselves and get off their shakey pedestals they will end their lives miserable, hated and still attempting to achieve apparent success which in their own eye is as good as life gets .
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Yes Fifi, I think everyone who has any idea how these cons operate felt the same way. I guess they can be grateful that they actually did escape. If life comes down to fancy hotel rooms, classy restaurants and a moment on stage beating your own chest hoping to convince people to buy their stuff well you can't get much more shit or low than that. I could think of a hundred more things more gratifying.
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Schirmer is attempting to hold a Science of Getting Rich Seminar in Melbourne in Australia some time in August. I bet his exmate Bob Proctor is thrilled no I bet hes laughing his ass off because Schirmer can only hope to have a fraction of the respect that Proctor has. Schirmer is one of those people who ever so slowly destroy themselves and every shred of respect anyone ever had for them just by being an arrogant twit. Proctor took Schirmer to court to take the business off him because he couldn't be trusted (oh what a surprise) so what does dickhead dave do? He acts like a whining teenager and keeps doing it anyway. Its hilarious to watch this guy because the more he does the more brainless he appears. For that sort of business thats probably the worst thing he could do but its actually fun watching him screw himself up. He probably thinks hes not going to let Bob have the last say snort snort, he actually already has and always will snort snort.
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LOL pj just reading your post now and its hilarious. "Saves arse souls" roflmao, too funny. God help those followers.
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What pisses me off (with laughter that is) is that Schirmer is running a couple of websites for the church he is sucking up to and on it it says this:
"Winning The Lost; Equipping and Maturing The Saints For The Work Of The Ministry; To Live A Lifestyle Of Faith and Victory"
If there is anyone who needs faith before any victory it is this dick head. Even more hilarious is the equipping and maturing the saints (what fucking saints, is Schirmer claiming he is one because he sure as hell is no saint in anyone's books and least of all Mr Proctor and all those other suckers who fell for his charm) and what Ministry??? What fucking ministry would Schirmer be qualified to be involved in except the ministry of the damned con. The guy has been caught out that many times he doesn't know where his arse is or he has lost feeling in it for having it kicked so many times. They say it takes one to know one so you can bet he and Perry Belcher will be best of pals (or Schirmer might be hoping that Belcher would be a big enough idiot to drag him along.
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I will not be surprised to see this guy exposed as part of the Personal Development crap that is happening Downunder as a result of a womans death recently. This guy has claimed for years of being a guru of everything from sickness to religion to money issues actually whatever he sees as a chance of making large amounts of money out of. If people like this want to make such ridiculous obnoxious and dishonest claims without having a stitch of qualifications then they must be prepared to be held accountable for what manipulating peoples lives does to them. I hope they get no mercy because so many wonderful peoples lives have been destroyed by dickheads like this guy. And then they start on the road to religion as if its going to save them, sheeesh..
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What could be more scary than Schirmer saying he wants to start a flock? The guy is so deluded by his own shit hes scary. I suspect he started on this very dangerous road to destruction years ago so yeh karma might be slow justice but it is justice.
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He thinks he is playing God and I find that offensive. when a man does that he has lost his own soul and he is leading people astray.
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What happened to Schirmers latest bum wiper? He has disappeared like every other one before him. I wonder if Schirmer lies awake at night or cries in his sleep that so many people actually HATE him.
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What happened to that Andrew Greswell guy who was the most recent idiot to fall for this guys charmy fakeness?
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Some people perform so badly in life that they think if they preach about their relationship with a God out loud it will surely exonerate them from all wrong doing, not realising that the people who really do have a relationship with their God do it in silence….just between them and God.
Interesting observation.
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David Schirmer does seem to be praying real hard right now and I reckon he might need to be given that one of his companies has been placed in liquidation and another has strike off action against it. Seems Davo’s troubles might be just heating up. I guess you can’t hide from reality for very long after all. Too bad because I really thought the guy had ethics and money. Seems he has neither. I guess if you screw everything you get your hands on you can’t expect diamonds and pearls for the rest of your life.
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Schirmer is currently calling a female ex tv presenter in Australia his friend, oh what a very obvious suck job. I wonder what Bob Proctor and all the other people who claim Schirmer screwed them over will have to say about his latest foolish adventure. I’ve heard that everyone who ever knew the guy knew he fiddled the books when it came to his after hours (and during hours) antics so I guess he’s leaving himself wide open to an all new expose. Guess he thinks Gods on his side and helping him hide it all this time though. What a bloody loser that guy is. This is going to be a good show.
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Who is it? Who the hell would want to be associated with that guy? According to the securities website in Australia he owes the ato a huge amount of money which I find totally amusing for a guy who is claiming to be A WEALTH EXPERT. Leave that to the experts to call him on and he’ll be shaking in his fat farty boots.
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Schirmer promoted himself as being on the secret movie which doesnt mean he had any meaningful contribution whatsoever does it. No he didn’t, he was just the wanker who claimed he could bag a carpark when he felt like it …. my BULLSHIT receptors are working overtime on this guy.
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This is a guy who may never learn a very very basic lesson that you don’t spit (or is that shit) in the hand that feeds you!
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What about this recent twitter status by Schirmer trying to steer away a Bob Proctor customer over to his own product (says his product is “something far better” than Proctor’s product):
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Schirmer is using a picture from a Proctor seminar his current promo website. Schirmer would never achieve the following the proctor has even in his dreams. I had friends at that event and know it was a dicey situation between Schirmer and Proctor and it was after that that Proctor sued Schirmer. One look at this couples photo and you know they are fakes.
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to M. Schirmer is absolutely clueless when it comes to respecting other people, that was evident to me from the first time I met him because all he can do is put other people down. It was no surprise to me to see Proctor remove all association from then in fact I would be very surprised if James Ray doesnt remove all association also. Nobody needs users like the Schirmers around them they are just a really negative force. Its negative because they are always pretending to be life coaches when they are clueless about peoples lives.
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King James Bible
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
David and Lorna Schirmer know that verse but clearly dont understand what it means. They are spritually lost.
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I was a client of Schirmers way back a while so I am understanding peoples annoyance with this guy because I have many of my own. When I first went to his seminars he was teaching everyone that they should reach for the stars and dream so big that it scared them and if they wanted something just go and get it and not be concerned about how they were going to pay for it. It appears many people watched as the guy actually did this to himself and some also probably did it. I now look on thinking I bet he feels the follies of his pathetic and foolish advice now as he faces hate, criticism and debts from who knows where. My greatest issue was the amount of delusional expectations and inconsistencies between what this guy was teaching and what I observed was actually happening in his life. After all if I was going to do as he said I wanted to get some positive results right? Ah but I questioned too much apparently.
At the time and many times since I have read and reread The Richest Man of Babylon. This is the book that he claimed to all listening along with Proctors Born Rich and Science of Getting Rich was where his information came from for the stuff that he was attempting to teach us at that time. It didn’t take me long to realise that he was deliberately putting his own interpretation on it to make money for himself and that annoyed me from the start. The fabulous little book by George Classon clearly pointed out the follies of getting involved with people like him yet he himself arrogantly considered that he was an expert without providing any evidence at all. What has alarmed me then and still now is just how much he has changed his advice to suit whatever situation he is in just to take money from unsuspecting people. Now I see he is off to the US to rope in more unsuspecting victims because it looks like he needs the money to pay his debts in Australia which means he has not yet found the utopia of successful wealth creation despite his deceitful and fanciful claims of having done so. The exception is of course that in his own deluded way he considers his life a real success but he fails to say what at and if you are like me you ALWAYS question why? Because well, you know, he just can’t (afford to). In my humble opinion this man is probably the biggest hypocrite I have ever met and I ever hope to meet and I find his shameless ways of conducting business with other people incredibly billious.
The biggest issues I have are written below which are excerpts from that fabulous little book. I feel very sad for people who have had the misfortune of getting involved with this man in business because he has demonstrated no attempt to be honourable to anything he has claimed in the past as far as I can tell. But….I guess there is always hope….
* Advice is one thing that is freely given away, but watch that you take only what is worthy having. He who takes advice from one who is inexperienced in such matters, shall pay with his savings for proving the falsity of their opinions.
* Usurious rates of returns are deceitful sirens that sing but to lure the unwary upon the rocks of loss and remorse.
* Before thou loan it to any man assure thyself of his ability to repay and his reputation for doing so, that thou mayest not unwittingly be making him a present of thy hard-earned treasure.
* Humans in the throes of great emotions are not safe risks for the gold lender.
* ….if they borrow because of their indiscretions, I warn thee to be cautious if thou wouldst ever have thy gold back in hand again.
* …. hopeless debt is like a deep pit into which one may descend quickly and where one may struggle vainly for many days. It is a pit of sorrow and regrets where the brightness of the sun is overcast and night is made unhappy by restless sleeping.
* I will no longer lend any of it where I am not confident it is safe and will be returned to me. Neither will I lend it where I am not convinced that its earnings will be promptly paid to me.
* From this you can see how often their high hopes of the great earnings they could make, if they but had gold, are but false hopes they have, not the ability or training to fulfill.
* Thy first desire is for safety. I fear not for he is not wise in guarding gold.
* Forget not that gold slippeth away in unexpected ways from those unskilled in guarding it. As well waste thy treasure in extravagance as let others lose it for thee.
* Therefore, be not swayed by the fantastic plans of impractical men who think they see ways to force thy gold to make earnings unusually large. Such plans are the creations of dreamers unskilled in the safe and dependable laws of trade.
* To hire it out with a pomise of unsurious returns it to invite loss.
* Seek to associate thyself with men and enterprises whose success is established that thy treasure may earn liberally under their skillful use and be guarded safely by their wisdom and experience.
* Illfortune pursues every man who thinks more of borrowing than of repaying.
* I did not know that he who spends more than he earns is sowing the winds of needless self-indulgence from which he is sure to reap the whirlwinds of trouble and humiliation.
* Creditors began to pursue me to pay for my extravagant purchases and my life became miserable. I borrowed from my friends, but could not repay them either.
* How can you call yourself a free man when your weakness has brought you to this?
* If a man has within him the soul of a free man, will he not become respected and honored in his own city in spite of his misfortune?
* Have you the desire to repay the just debts you owe in Babylon? If thou contentedly let the years slip by and make no effort to repay, then thou has but the contemptible soul of a slave. No man is otherwise who cannot respect himself and no man can respect himself who does not repay honest debts.
* Does not thy great king fight his enemies in every way he can and with every force he has? They debts are thy enemies, they ran thee out of Babylon. You left them alone and they grew too strong for thee. Hadst thou fought them as a man, thou couldst have conquered them and been one honored among the townspeople. But thou has not the soul to fight them and behold thy pride hast gone down until thou art a slave in Syria.
* With a new vision, I saw the things that I must do. First I would go back to Babylon and face every man to whom I owed an unpaid debt. I should tell them that after years of wandering and misfortune, I had come back to pay my debts as fast as the gods would permit.
* My debts were my enemies, but the men I owed were my friends for they had entrusted me and believed in me.
* I staggered weakly to my feet. What mattered hunger? What mattered thirst? They were but incidents on the road to Babylon. Within me surged the soul of a free man going back to conquer his enemies and reward his friends. I thrilled with the great resolve.
* The soul of a free man looks at life as a series of problems to be solved and solves them, while the soul of a slave whines.
* Dost thy empty stomach make thy head exceedingly clear? Art ready to take the road that leads back to self respect? Canst thou see the world in its true color? Has thou the desire to pay thy honest debts, however many they may be, and once again be a man respected in Babylon?
* Where the determination is, the way can be found. I had the determination so I set out to find a way. First I visited every man to whom I was indebted and begged his indulgence until I could earn that with which to repay. Most of them met me gladly. Several reviled me but offered to help me; One indeed did give me the very help I needed.
* Gradually I was able to repay every copper and every piece of silver. Then at last I could hold up my head and feel that I was an honorable man among men.
* He found his own soul when he realised a great truth, a truth that had been known and used by wise men long before his time.
* It has led men of all ages out of difficulties and into success and it will continue to do so for those who have the wisdom to understand its magic power.
* Therefore each time the moon is full, two-tenths of all I have earned shall be divided honorably and fairly among those who have trusted me and to whom I am indebted. Thus in due time will all my indebtedness be surely paid.
* To these creditors do I owe in total one hundred and nineteen pieces of silver and one hundred and forty-one pieces of copper. Because I did owe these sums and saw no way to repay, in my folly I did permit my wife to return to her father and didst leave my native city and seek easy wealth elsewhere, only to find disaster and to see myself sold into the degradation of slavery.
* I am more determined than ever to carry through, being convinced that it is easier to pay one’s just debts thant to avoid them. Even though I cannot meet the needs and demands of a few of my creditors i will deal impartially with all.
* What a relief it proved to have our affairs in such a shape we were no longer persecuted by past due accounts.
* Bablyon produced no strutting monarchs who sought to conquer the known world that all nations might pay homage to their egotism.
I know the guy reads these posts because people like him are obsessed with themselves and only ever think about how wrong everyone else is about them. Yet incredibly life is far from sweet for them despite their high and mighty opinions of themselves. I only hope that when he does read this that he will understand the real meaning of success and what people who really are successful do particularly towards others who trust in them and believe them. How can a person who has taken from people and not given back like they promised while claiming to be a wealth expert honestly believe they are any help to anyone financially, emotionally or spiritually?
My conclusions is …. its easy, its called delusion.
And to repeat the three most poignant quotes above in the words of the Babylonian “ Illfortune pursues every man who thinks more of borrowing than of repaying.” “How can you call yourself a free man when your weakness has brought you to this? “ and “Bablyon produced no strutting monarchs who sought to conquer the known world that all nations might pay homage to their egotism.”
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Schirmer is doing seminars in the US of A on faith again. You know what that means ….. he is hoping like hell us Americans will pay for his trip because he cant afford to. What a dope. Does he think we wont pick up on his rubbish and I bet hes full of whinges about those Aussie folks who have chased him away too. People like him are just maggots.
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Well thats appropriate, maggots are used as BAIT!
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“Humans in the throes of great emotions are not safe risks for the gold lender.” Could you think of anyone more desperate than this guy and JR right now? Visiting the US begging for attention and money. This guy will be running forever unless he learns to look into his soul and find what truth really is. To run around the world trying to sell a sham like the secret is a fools game. A very expensive and unforgiving fools game. But no doubt to the wannabes he appeals to it probably has the appearance of a charmed life when in fact it is completely tiresome and boring. This guy has been roaming between the US and Australia for years according to his vids and blogs and scams and stuff. He even said somewhere in his marketing once that he was sick of traveling and doing seminars so what happened? Tax man call? Or everyone else including the tax man call? Amazing how the strategy changes when people start asking for what is theirs back from d-bags like this. They either get busy running away or they get honest and this guy does not appear the type that has a preference for being honest despite his attempt at the Christian coverall.
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Typical of the Schirmers doing a grand tour of the US at the expense of everybody else including (now it seems) the Australian government. That is evidently their interpretation of Christianity and Wealth Creation all wrapped up in one or shall we say that is their BIG SECRET.
I do like what puzzledone quoted above because I also heard the same crap from Schirmer. He is a great promoter of living beyond your means and not giving a shit about the future just have a bloody good time at the expense of everyone else in fact his life appears to be testament to it. He does not understand the stuff he is trying to teach people and he blames all his pathetic choices and losses on everyone else but himself. The qualities of a good con is the ability to deceive people for as long as possible and that is one qualification he is expert at. What alarms me even morr is the accuracy of some of those points in that little book. This is one guy who you could never trust with your gold.
And what happened to the Succeed Magazine? Or was that another guys magazine and Schirmer just laid claim to it through deceitful means? Quite ironic dont you think? Succeed Magazine not Succeeding and supposedly published by Australias most successful wealth creation expert and trader and curiously the only Aussie on the secret. Oh and what happened to the guy who claims Schirmer lost 85% of his money. did Schirmer ever pay that back? Ummmm let me guess NO!!!!
I try to keep up with all this because I heard the guy for myself and have seen for myself what a train wreck its been. Just cant imagine the amount of emergency services that are going to be needed at the end of the line on this one. Beggars belief.
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Shrewd, sociopathic and sick. Thats what these people are. They have no ethical or moral compass left, they are lost in the haze of greed and self importance and will eventually shrivel up as nobodies, defeated and beaten. The amount of people who follow them will dwindle (they already are) and those who do will question every single word that comes out of their mouths because they cannot deny their comments and actions because technology is here to stay. Wish as they may that it would all disappear it will not and neither will how their actions have made people feel. The best they can hope for is that they themselves will one day gain the wisdom to understand the soul of the free man.
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That guy looks like hes got warts on his eyelids. He must be a relative to a Toad after all coming from Queensland in Australia and all. I definitely see a resemblance to that Toad on wiki.
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Schirmer should take a leaf out of the book of the guy who used to work for him, I think his name was Johnathan Ezzy. I have heard that Ezzy paid every cent he owed to all the poor people who were owed anything through his business failure apparently and then he went on to make a very successful business of his own. Now I’m told he has his head in the clouds and is doing very very well. Now thats what I call ETHICS and I’m guessing that guy follows that little book to the letter. Great work here by the way.
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LOL didnt almost all of schirmers staff walk out? The ones I knew and caught up with at much better events afterwards certainly didnt have much good to say about him. Guess it really does pay not to piss your good people off. Some of the people he had were tops, hes a bloody idiot.
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God wants us to be honorable not seeking the attention of other people but of him. Some of these people fail to understand that they are just a speck on this planet and worth no more to their God than anyone else. If Schirmer has treated people less than God intended in any way then he will suffer the wrath not only of those people but also of God. He has a moral obligation to ask for their forgiveness no matter what their feelings are and make amends because his life will never change until happens. Be conscious of self, what self thinks, what self does and how self treats other people. You cannot twist the words no matter how you try. I get the feeling that these people are so full of self pride that they may never see truth and freedom. Oh how they want it so much for their kids but never willing to have it for themselves. Very sad.
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David Schirmer is the biggest fucking dickhead I have ever met. He is a liar, a cheat and only his mother could love him, the rest probably just put up with him because they have to. He is an obsessive compulsive wanker. He would like through his front teeth if it meant money to him and hed sell his own soul for it also. Very shallow and pathetic little man.
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Schirmer is boasting on twitter of being the winner of simon says at the anthony robbins weekend he attended. when you think about it he couldnt have made a more stupid comment if hed tried. he has been to anthony robbins events 9 times (yes dear ones it take a very long for someone that stupid to get it) and he proceeds to say he was the only one out of 3500 people to win simon says because ………. get this ………. no-one else was quite as focused (or determined at being a wanker) as him… well fuck me doh! Hes had fucking nine times to practice it. What a first class wanker that guy is.
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That game was made for kids so for a guys with so few balls and such a large head, its not surprising.
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Actually theres a guy in sydney on youtube who claims to be the last man standing in a group of 5000 who played that game at an anthony robbins event. He made a comment of youtube and got NO RESPONSE because nobody respects anyone who is so up themselves to think that they are better than everyone else if they win that game. That is absolutely pathetic and childish.
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Look this guy is a loser. If he could really do anything he claims to he’d be doing it not going between the USA and Australia spruiking about how good HE thinks he is while everyone is chasing him for money. What is ironic is that he claims to be a wealth experts. If that doesnt set alarm bells ringing then what does? I’ve sussed out some of his family and I have to say nothing would surprise me with this guy because I was not impressed. Jail, drugs, deception, molestation, really scary stuff. I say to everyone I care about before you get involved with ANYONE LIKE THIS ———————————————————————————— DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
Its about the only thing that does pay these days. These guys are getting more and more desperate so they will do anything for money and thats when it becomes scary for anyone involved with them. They get to the point where they run out of cash and makes loads of promises for money because everyone is threatening them but they never back because they are so deep in shit they cant. In the meantime they keep up the façade to save face while getting deeper and deeper and deeper into the shit the whole time.
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Schirmer is a bloody idiot!
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As you sow, so shall you reap!
This is a guy who should really be completely ashamed of who he has been instead of bragging about just how good he thinks he is and leaving his victims to clean up the enormous mess he has left behind. I wonder if he has fulfilled ANY promise he has made to ANY of his victims yet? Id like to give him the benefit of doubt and say that if he is preaching good things then he is living it but I think somehow that this is not the case here. I feel very sorry for the poor simple people who are being sucked into his web in America right now. I do hope they do some homework.
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I just got an email from Schirmer saying he is running an SGR seminar in Sydney Australia from 18-20 April. Firstly isnt that what Proctor sued him for? and secondly and what just amazes me is that these people have 6 kids. How can two parents put making money and their own world tours OVER THEIR KIDS. I feel so sad for those kids. They will be very lost sad people who will put on a show of happy togetherness because THATS WHAT MOM AND DAD WANT and deep down they will hate what they do. You cant take back those years so no amount of preaching the bible and attempting to teach people how to become financially rich (WHEN THESE PEOPLE CLEARLY ARE NOT THEMSELVES)and basically DOING YOUR OWN THING WITHOUT ANY REGARD FOR THE CHILDREN will make up for it. I find these people very very greedy selfish people and while they might have a message of hope thats about as deep as it gets. These people have already lost big time in life in my eyes and its hardly a christian view.
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Lenny Reply:
April 5th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
That Schirmer guy is a piece of work alright.
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_cartman_ Reply:
April 6th, 2010 at 1:44 am
@anon,
The lawsuit was supposedly for the “unauthorized” use of the company name “Life Success Pacific Rim”….well maybe not so much….my guess is that once Proctor was put on notice about Life Success Pacific Rim….this whole “charade” about not having the legal right to use the name came about so he can deny any responsibility….and to show a “legal” separation….
Proctor spoke at Schirmer’s Life Success Pacific Rim “Secret” seminar…back when David was being “exposed”…so who’s to say …..
I wouldn’t trust Proctor anymore then I would trust David…after all….law of attraction….Proctor the fraud attracted Schirmer the fraud….see…the law of attraction….
WINNER!! ::
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The lowest act is when someone tries to get into the US of A pretending to be a preacher and then conducts seminars to sell their own products. What a fucking fake christian sleazy slime act and how low do people get before they realise that they really are the scum of the earth. Hey dudes if thats what you are doing we know what you are up to whoever you are.
I agree like attracts like and thats likely why that Schirmer guy got hooked up with the likes of Belcher and Proctor because somehow they just gelled. What pisses me off more than anything is when people act as if the public are dumb fuckers and dont know what they are up to. They carry on with their heads so up their asses that they never see how beautiful and honest daylight is. Keep it transparent you fools, otherwise you get what you give. You want people to think well of you, fucking do well by others first and none of this smart ass stuff and stooping so low you sniffing your own shit.
This guy is wallowing in his own shit he’s got so much going on around him.
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Unfuckingbelievable!!!!
Schirmer, who was sued by Proctor for MISLEADING AND DECEPTIVE CONDUCT (none the less) has the gall to shoot off about someone trying to sell the SGR program while hes giving his own recording away (and from all investigations it can only really be his expal Bobity Bob). To start with who said it was a COMPETITION and secondly why the hell would anyone want Schirmers shit even if it was free over other peoples who have not appeared in the media for screwing people over. Not saying I’d buy either or any but just saying.
Hilariously Schirmer quotes on his twit page “One on the important keys in the book Wattles speaks of is fair exchange of use value for cash value.”
My question to dickhead Dave is where did all the money go that was given to him by the people who invested with him in the business that was selling the Science of Getting Rich products and other Life Success Product? Has he paid those people back yet because if he hasnt then he has fuck all justification for putting anyone else down. Wheres the fucking fair exchange for ALL those people who believed what dickhead Dave told them and then just got screwed over? There seemed to be plenty of them. Let me guess…….in his own fucking pocket to pay his own fucking food bills and he has the gall to have a go at anyone else for selling the SGR program for whatever amount they choose. Just shows the whole world how small minded the guy is. Wheres the respect man?
My question is where the fucking hell is the fair exchange with anything involved with Schirmer? I need to know because this guy gives me the fucking shits big time. People were buying product from him and from my observation Schirmer is a guy that plays good while you are feeding his wallet but as soon as that stops YOU ARE OF NO USE TO HIM WHATSOEVER and like a pathetically spoilt kid who doesn’t know when to stop annoying the shit out of the girls even when the message is so fucking clear Uranus could read it, he just doesnt get it.
Give him a message for me “Grow up you fucking moron”.
This dog eat dog world that these guys live in is a fucking fraud. They look a bunch of bloody idiots who are only in it for money. Not a thing that comes out of Schirmers fucking mouth has anything remotely related to how a church should conduct themselves either even if he tries faking being involved. Like others the involvement around the time of visiting the US is so fucking sus that even an idiot would draw some conclusions right or wrong.
This guy is a first class fucking idiot and he has finally proved it to the world. Watch him consistently put everyone else down to maintain his own pathetic place on his own very shaky pedestal. His end is near and the cheer squad will be singing a sweet song “bye bye Davey bye bye”.
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David Schirmer is a classic Christian in my opinion. I have yet to personally meet a Christian who is not a hypocrite. David Schirmer is only moving to the next logical step in scamming people, which is religion, duh.
He know’s his days are numbered in trading, so what better business to get into than showbiz..err I mean religion. Ooopsie.
You can make 7 figures a year with no previous experience, no investment, and wait for it – NO PRODUCTS to create or sell!
Time tested and proven methods for getting people to whip out their wallets and beg you to take their money!
Why re-invent the wheel when everything has already been done for you. Alls you simply have to do is make up impending doom; create a dangerous problem in their minds, scare the shit out of them, and just when they’re about to lose it , offer them a solution, IF they pay.
It’s that easy.
You can even get creative with it, and start a trading religion where God sends you text messages on which stocks to trade! You could preach about new age math and metaphysical new age physics.
You could take scientific facts and reword them to fit your made up stories and fix it to where people would think you’re a gifted and special hero. Everyone could wear thumb rings together and hold hands while sending their love to their new age employer.
“If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own religion.” – L. Ron Hubbard founder of Scientology
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I believe those people who invested money with Schirmer when he siphoned it off for himself, created trusts and companies to run money through etc etc, should challenge Schirmer in a court of law regarding his fiduciary responsibilities. I’d like to see a lawyer and some aussie courts take on that because from my humble opinion that guy is the sleaziest most deceitful bastard of them all.
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[...] the next month I had figured out the secret behind The Secret :: Oprah! :: and vowed not to fight it for that same [...]
“”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"Go to esearch(dot)fedcourt(dot)gov(dot)au and hit “Search by File Number” link. You then want a case with the prefix “NSD”, the sequence number “173? and the year “2008?. “Lifesuccess Productions” LLC is Bob Proctor’s outfit. Turns out he’s SUING his good buddies David and Lorna Schirmer for “Mislead. or deceptive conduct”.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
I found that on another site, looked it up and sure as sure its our good assholes David and Lorna Schirmer. Both of them done for misleading and deceptive conduct.
What church do they go to again? Have I missed something?
Nope, they continue on with the deception all by themselves. Sounds like they are good for each other even though he likes a sweet morsel on the side each week it looks like she dont care because she’s getting her kicks elsehow.
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As soon as I knew this shit for brains guy was involved in The Secret i knew it would create unending misery for anyone who got involved with him. Anything this guys gets involved with ends up a complete crappy mess. Even people who were directors of companies that he got involved with resigned because of him apparently (succeed magazine is one that comes to mind). Schirmer thinks the whole bloody world owes him a fucking good life, money, women, jesus and riches. The guy is a loser who has such an inflated ego that his life is shit. I knew some of the people who used to work for him and I felt so sorry for them because I watched them get screwed by this asshole excuse for a human. I hope he rots in hell and has the most miserable life for whats left of it because thats what he deserves.
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[...] course I think it’s fucking hilarious :: like when Proctor and David Schirmer were having a turd fight … or like Proctor sticking it to John Asaraff {more on that laters}. [...]
Damn. “Everybody Loves Raymond”? Everybody hates Schirmer. (With good reason of course.) 100+ comments is too many for me to read every single one.
Still I saw lyrics to a song by @Cosmic Connie up above though.That was cool.
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