SaltyDroid Interviewings
The Salty Droid doesn’t do interviews :: so don’t bother asking me. Go suck yourself!
But it has been almost three years :: and my fake secretary Debbie thinks it’s time to start saying yes rarely … instead of never. She’s usually almost always wrong :: but if you make the little people think that their opinions count … then you can pay them less!
Paying people less :: aka The American Dream … get some less pay for yourself … TODAY … you deserve it!
So if you want to hear Jason being serious instead of me being fucking awesome :: and I don’t know why you would :: then here you go …
Interviewing a Fake Robot
{warning :: this interview does not contain inappropriate language}
>> bleep bloop
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Wow! That was a great interview!
I had no idea asswipe Perry Belcher registered all of your domain names. Or that you were originally on Twitter. I’m a fairly recent arrival at your blog. I found the Droid following the slimy trail of James Ray. I stayed because of the great writing, the information on scammers that’s not found elsewhere on the internet and because I’ve been in love with robots since the very first episode of MST3K. (pause for a moment of silence…heads bowed)
This quote was heartbreaking: “A lot of the stories I hear are so personally tragic, and they contain so much just like horror that people don’t… Talking about them more is painful, and people definitely are uncomfortable talking about it in public.”
I can’t imagine the things you’ve heard. I don’t think I could take the emotional toll. You’re a better man…er,Droid than I am. Thanks for all you do.
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I think Aaron shouldn’t quit his day job to become an interviewer: no questions about Fake Secretary Debbie.
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Is this for realz?
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SD Reply:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 pm
@Syndicate H8r ::
Is it not?
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Syndicate H8r Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:49 am
@SD,
I always thought the Jason Jones was a comical satire, I didn’t think you were ACTUALLY Jason Jones.
You got balls robot, and they should be sucked:
p.s mental note: inquisition comes across as trolling!
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Stoic Reply:
August 26th, 2011 at 7:16 am
@Syndicate H8r,
Love the Adolph baby pic!
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Dang, Jason did drop an F-bomb in there (or at least the transcriber put one in), but you missed it Droid.
Have you become that callous to good manners?
Oh, and you are a great marketer. You do use a lot of Erwin’s tactics here (but don’t ask for a credit card, so it’s “all good”).
Oh, and Eben didn’t even bother to list a price on his order form for the newest frauduct. Does that violate any laws (even if it doesn’t, I’m sure you’ll have fun with that one!)? hypes://order.getaltitude.com/custom/alt/1108_gurumasterclass/
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SD Reply:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
@Name ::
That f-bomb doesn’t count because I was quoting someone else’s uncouth language with an air of judgement and moral superiority … that makes it okay.
And no … I use zero of Irwin’s tactics. Irwin’s never said an original thing in his fucking life. To the extent “marketing tactics” are on display here … they must be credited to people who have had actual thoughts and ideas about marketing. Which ain’t me … or Irwin.
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I’m glad Debbie talked you into it. Great interview.
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My fake assistant Malcolm bristled at my mention of this interview – he hates Debbie and her ideas. Malcolm says she hogs the backseat during their fake carpool, and she always smells like soup.
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This is awful… you were warned
http://www.getaltitude.com/cms/gurumasterclass/program.html?p=CD408
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987 Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 2:48 am
@realestateguru, if you pay everything they promote on a weekly basis you would need $200,000 annually at minimum.
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Poop Chute Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:46 am
@realestateguru, Is it just me or does Eben look a lot like a pasty-white vampire creature from another planet in that photo at the end of Koenigs’ video? I also found it funny that Koenigs says — how many times? — “That’s how much I believe in Eben’s product”…and he believes so much he obviously rushed through that video with no preparation or rehearsal and looks and sounds it.
@SD — REALLY good interview. Eye-opening. An open window on you I had not seen or heard before. I have to admit I was one of the ones you mentioned who “poked and tested” or however you put it…early on. When I first found this site I was totally taken back…like others you mentioned I was like “how on earth can he DO this” and “he’s gotta be NUTS – legit or not.”
Since then the “bigger” picture has unfolded a LOT — and I like it. I’ll admit, it’s so fiendishly clever it’s hard to even SEE it at first…at least for me. Now that I do all I can say is…damn…I’m fucking sorry as hell if I read you wrong at first.
And this interview just solidified that feeling into a real nice warm fuzzy “ok…he IS nuts…but in a most ingenius way.”
And I LIKE it.
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SD Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 am
@realestateguru ::
Dear Mike ::
Don’t stand in front of a set and then give stage directions :: it’s fucking ridiculous … even for you.
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realestateguru Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:23 pm
@SD, I can’t decide who is more dis-ingenuous, wait, yes, I can. Keonigs is definitely the biggest liar. He is really really great, all you have to do is ask him if you want to find out.
As far as Pagan’s video, god it’s awful. If it doesn’t bomb, I would be shocked. It isn’t even kindof tempting to buy his shit. Also, can’t he do something about those moles on his face? A quick trip to the skin doc and those could be gone.
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Bonnie Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:42 pm
@realestateguru,
Now, why would Eben Pagan want to ruin that beautiful face that gets absolutely every woman he could ever hope and wish for and want, bar none? (as aka PUA David DeAngelo).
I hope you note that I’m being facetious and can hear the sarcasm in my voice, of course ;)
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anonymous Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 pm
@realestateguru, Whats a profitable nitch? I want one of those because it would make me a remarkable human bean.
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anonymous Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:50 pm
@anonymous, Not only it is a nitch it gets you inside training content. Um call me strange but siriously, thats a weird take on selling marketing crap.
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Juice Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:51 am
@realestateguru,
If anyone is seriously thinking (irrationally no doubt) of buying Eben’s Guru Clusterf*ck via the Mike Koenigs bonus. Please Think Carefully First. If you buy this and you already work way too many hours… You won’t have time to take a sh*t. Trust me Eben’s courses are massive, video after video after video (90% of it waffle – with no syrup). Bonus, Bollox, Bullshit.
Note to Eben Pagan:
Sure you bang on about information all day and night. OK we get it, the internet is information, yawn, yawn.
But here’s the secret you keep Mr $100 million lira. Lets see if we can screw with your sales a bit.
1. How much information do we really need?
The word self-help springs to mind, you mention this in the video. Yes its a massive market and growing. Why? Because through marketing people’s beliefs have started to shift and look for solutions to problems that don’t even exist. “Self help” (the clue is right there in the words), not help from Tony f’kin Bobbins in a 30 CD set using all kinds of mentally draining strategies.
I’m not going to get into the left brain vs. right brain debate now. But this is it in play – information. Keeping you stuck in the left brain making all kinds of shitty decisions.
Same with your products Eben, how much information do your customers need to make a $100 million lira? Lets face it, all you did was create a dating ebook and promote this on the dating forums, you were one of the very first “dating gurus” online so ($£€) cleaned up, bottomline. From there you made DVD/video products of recordings of your seminars and banged these out to your growing email list from the forums.
Start today with your ebook and “no money” lets see what you can do smartass?
2. With information “should” come responsibility. So Eben are you responsible with your information?
I’ve seen your dating products. Seriously they are so lame and LA. There are 6-7 billion people on the planet. Umh wonder how that happened, did they consult your ebook first, before learning how to shag – I don’t think so. Cocky Comedy, fuck me. If you try that shit where I live you’ll get arrested for being so pathetic!
Disclaimer: A young lad I used to employ was forever playing your DYD torrents in the office at work. In 3 years he NEVER got laid but could of written a manual on how-to, oh just like you Eben. Nice looking lad too. but not in a gay way :-)
Rant done!
P.S. Note to Mike koenigs: Please stop making videos, you really should stop at the radio medium. You’re face is just not for video man… or should I say madam. Did I just see a Filipino boy’s head pop up from under that desk?
Gerbil, Hamster, Rat Hybrid = Mike Koenigs.
P.P.S. Juice is coming to getcha!
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realestateguru Reply:
August 26th, 2011 at 3:36 am
@Juice,
You can’t do a P.P.S. like that and not expect me to bust out with this for you…
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123 Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:11 am
@987, …based on what?
Are you saying he is not good at SEO, has not written a book about SEO, does not run a forum about SEO, or can’t conceive, build and run sites for profit? Have you ever read what he has written? Do you know him? Have you heard him speak at a conference?
Shhhhhh.
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987 Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:41 am
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123 Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:59 am
@987, “I don’t bash Aaron Wall for what he does.”
“Aaron Wall is not that good in what he does. ”
Which is it then?
And who measures who the top 10% of SEO, and when did anyone – Aaron, Salty or even me – say he was in it?
“He is not an SEO guru.”
Thank God.
“Writing Shhh is childish, don’t be childish and believe everything you see online.”
Snarking anonymously is childish, too.
And you don’t have a clue to what I believe – but you shared your stupidity for everyone.
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987 Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 4:48 pm
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aaron wall Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:30 pm
@987, The whole idea that you can’t teach & do at the same time is an absurdity. The best teachers are those with actual experience (as opposed to those who talk about “in theory” with no actual experience). The only reason I still do both is that they feed into each other.
By teaching I also learn, as I gain interactions that share experience from hundreds of others who run 10,000′s of websites. By doing I get to see many lenses of search (affiliate, contextual, ecommerce, consulting, etc.)
You are welcome to your ill-informed opinion, but of these 4 (consulting, seo book, affiliate, contextual) I could lose any 3 and still be fine.
That said, there certainly are some folks making 20x or 50x (and in some cases maybe even 100x) more than I do from SEO. But then I don’t think a person needs to make high 8 or 9 figures per year in order to be effective at their craft. :D
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SD Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
@987 ::
You think Dr. Phil would have me on his show?
Somehow I think not.
Great :: unsubstantiated anonymous claims …
BTW :: that’s Aaron interviewing me … not me he … so him sucking or not really ain’t the issue. And I couldn’t possibly contest the point one way or another about him being a “top 10%” SEO cause that’s some totally made up bullshit you just pulled from your ass … and because I’m totally skeptical of SEO cat-craps … something I’ve expressed often without managing to scare Aaron away.
BTW2 :: he ranked #2 for “Salty Droid” after something like 3 hours …
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Dyler Thunder Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 4:39 pm
@987, you are right, nailed in the head!
But those people never get.. It’s about personal branding, self-promotion, being larger than life, rolling it all over the crowd, building a cult-following, mesmerize the crowd.
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987 Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:12 pm
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aaron wall Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
@987, and if you look in the past, someone from Brad’s office was leaving hate comments on my blog…they left so many of them that I even wrote a blog post about the hate comments :D
http://seobook.com/archives/002290.shtml
So not only was it *not* me promoting that trash you thought I promoted, but someone at Brad’s office was also defacing my site with hate-driven comments.
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SD Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
@aaron wall ::
And if I remember correctly {and I’m sure that I do} … Brad Callen smells like boiler rooms … so it’s a pretty unkind fuck up by Mr. and/or Ms. 987.
Jack Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
@987,
Sometimes people can also to go ahead and test and measure what it is, too:
http://www.seomoz.org/blog/social-annotations-in-search-now-your-social-network-rankings
LDA-FTW!
123 Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 pm
@Dyler Thunder, so wait – you’re saying too, that Wall is some kind of cult of personality, snowing the crowds?
You guys are really on top of things.
I do agree that 987 is nailed in the head though.
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987 Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:15 am
@123, I wonder what makes you so angry in all of that, did you try practicing Aaron’s teachings and got nowhere?
It’s possible. Just sayin’
Dyler Thunder Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 7:14 am
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Juice Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:16 am
@987, What I’d say is, SEO is a beautiful art. Its my fave subject along with conversion. Can you charge for providing information on it, I guess you can, but in essence there really isn’t that much to know. But yet experience of doing and getting results is critical.
The art is in the copy writing, strategy and discipline – its about being consistent and putting the pressure on your competitors. And don’t forget an aggressive link builder, this is a must and yes India can deliver. Don’t load your rifle, but its true… IF you get the on-site work done too of course!
I’ll get you number one in any market if you have an unlimited budget. Any market. Guaranteed.
I joined SEO Book back in 07 for a quick poke. Its ok. Aaron’s personality wasn’t for me though, I’m not a fan of the monotone, Apple-esque, 21st century netreprenuer. Give it to me with some passion. That was not a euphemism btw!
Jerry west is a solid SEO’er for my money. I learned quite a lot from Jerry West pre Stompernet. Once you’ve got SEO internalised (especially the copy writing and the use of content) you can go alone. Just keep up with Google’s Guidelines and pretty much nothing changes. Its a mix of good on-site and off-site work.
So can and should you charge for this information? you decide.
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aaron wall Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
@Juice, I am viewed as Apple-esque? :D
That is totally the last thing I expected to hear. Most of our paying customers tend to be more free-thinkers who challenge authority rather than offering praise for any sort of Steve Jobs styled messiah. In fact, many of our customers complain about some of the messiah-like messaging from some other outfits in the SEO niche. Some recently went so far as saying they would never buy anything from another outfit simply because they were using ad retargeting.
If you spoke with my wife you wouldn’t hear about a lack of passion for SEO being a core issue (quite the contrary in fact). Jerry West has also subscribed to our site & he liked it enough to stay subscribed for quite a while (not sure if he is a current member as I don’t like stalking our customers…but saw him participate in a few threads here and there over a period of time).
As for this bit…
“Just keep up with Google’s Guidelines and pretty much nothing changes”
I can only refer to the Panda update, where the actual search guidelines did not have a single word in them change, but that algorithm change shifted over $1 billion in online ad revenues. That may seem minor to some, but if you were one of the ones hit then it seemed anything but minor.
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987 Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
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123 Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
@987, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Juice Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
@987,
So naive. “The art is market research, testing, goals and consistency.”
Isn’t that a given, fundamental, basic?
Bring me the best SEO on the planet and he or she will be a master wordsmith… Period!
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aaron wall Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
@987, the Panda update was no myth. Some of the sites that were hit by it were utterly decimated
seobook.com/images/analytics-fail2.gif
Some web businesses started layoffs within days of the algorithm going live.
That said, some people have found technical work-arounds to Panda. If you were making a few hundred bucks a day that disappeared overnight (and have remained disappeared for a half-year now) then what is a solution to that problem worth? Even $100 * 180 = $18,000. Which is a lot more than $0 and an unlimited number of platitudes about copywriting. :D
Of course copyrighting is important, but it is only one piece of a marketing strategy & the same piece of content ranks differently and earns differently depending on who publishes it, how they publish it, where they publish it, and so on.
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Juice Reply:
August 27th, 2011 at 7:06 am
@aaron wall, Illuminate us with your SEO experience Aaron.
And BTW I have no issue with yourself, SEOBook or charging for SEO ‘Results’ per se’.
So how is it that sites that were so exceptionally SEO’d by you (and or others) initially or just ranking well, suddenly got relegated post Panda when other sites didn’t?
Is it that Google wanted to rake in even more Adwords money? Maybe its out of your control to a degree?
My belief is that you Technical SEO guys think way too much. Algorithms, Algebra, Formulas, Science, Telescopes… Tips, Tricks and Doggy Dicks!
Just give people and ‘Google AKA God’ what they want.
And RE membership sites – how many pages on your site or the typical SEO membership site are current and useful and how many are antiquated and really should be binned but are left live for the purpose of SEO?
Being realistic you could release a 3-5 page monthly magazine quarterly and be current and useful without the need of masses of expired info scattered all over.
And I guess if I did have an issue that would be it. The absolute requirement that you removed all antiquated information and so preventing people that have invested their ‘very’ hard earned money into your or others’ knowledge so they can get to the meat, eliminating the waste of time, energy and money on outdated crap.
Thoughts?
aaron wall Reply:
August 27th, 2011 at 7:19 am
@aaron wall, (actually @juice, but I think you can’t go an infinite # of nestings deep)…
“So how is it that sites that were so exceptionally SEO’d by you (and or others) initially or just ranking well, suddenly got relegated post Panda when other sites didn’t?”
When it comes down to optimizing things *everything* you do has some level of:
- risk
- cost
- reward
As the algorithms change some of the higher margin lower effort sites will of course get torched. It is not particularly unexpected that it happens from time to time.
That Google managed to hit so many sites while missing eHow was an embarrassment to the entire search quality team, which is why they folded in new data points into the second roll out of the Panda update.
“Is it that Google wanted to rake in even more Adwords money? Maybe its out of your control to a degree?”
I think it is simpler than that. In this instance it was mainly about wanting to preserve the mythical glow around their brand. The change was primarily driven by Google taking care of a public relations issue and wanting to go over-the-top with how they handled it to minimize bad press.
Consider that the company who funded the content farm problem was none other than Google. Yet how many mainstream media websites mentioned that? Approximately 0!
“My belief is that you Technical SEO guys think way too much. Algorithms, Algebra, Formulas, Science, Telescopes… Tips, Tricks and Doggy Dicks!”
Hehehe. I am first and foremost a marketer. Some of my best linkbaits have *created* new search keywords by going so viral. You don’t do that by being too algorithmically focused while missing broader marketing concepts.
“And RE membership sites – how many pages on your site or the typical SEO membership site are current and useful and how many are antiquated and really should be binned but are left live for the purpose of SEO?”
Certainly there is no value in deleting old blog posts, but we refreshed our membership area training content before relaunch earlier this year.
“Being realistic you could release a 3-5 page monthly magazine quarterly and be current and useful without the need of masses of expired info scattered all over.”
Factually incorrect. I make newsletters monthly & they tend to be about 30 pages long.
“And I guess if I did have an issue that would be it. The absolute requirement that you removed all antiquated information and so preventing people that have invested their ‘very’ hard earned money into your or others’ knowledge so they can get to the meat, eliminating the waste of time, energy and money on outdated crap.”
1.) daily forum participation
2.) monthly newsletters
3.) training content is refreshed regularly
so, in short, it is pretty obvious you are attempting to “review” (and, to some degree, complain about) a service you haven’t used.
987 Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:00 am
@ Aaron Wall,
Let’s bust some myths, like the Panda myth:
Nice words and polite manners are not an alternative for real life practicing.
Consulting others who “Run 10′s of thousands of sites” is not a certification for teaching or charging $3600 annually for open source knowledge. Don’t get me wrong – it’s OK to do – People want to be spoon-fed.
The street corner homeless knows more about downtown sidewalks than the city engineer – Because they live it and live there. And homeless people don’t exchange knowledge with anyone so don’t give me that crap because crap is as simple as crap.
The way SEOBook.com phrases user subscriptions: $10 per day – Won’t get them the marketers that know their act in business. Call it $3600 per year and let’s watch it creating an “internal Panda update” affecting how many subscriptions they get.
A screenshot of a 9 year old well branded domain with TONS of unique content ranking for a keyword like “SEO Training” is not a proof of someone who knows his act on mastering SEO. It’s solely a proof of an intelligent person, consistent in developing and branding his business.
A person who focuses on the industry and actual SEO uses real existent properties he/she REGULARLY CREATE and not flooding the homepage with fancy logos like those of Techcrunch and Wikipedia which is the prototype of scam Clickbank products. I can’t find a single “Click here to watch what I did with this 2 months old domain” link on SOBook.com. Send me the link if you have one – I’ll instantly apologize.
Truth is, that the vast majority of people will never create a huge site like SEO book and it’s not the reason they visit the website, most people want to rank a small business or a small-to-medium niche site; large portal owners like Pokerlistings.com don’t even visit SEObook or any other so called seo training resource because they can teach anyone, including Aaron Wall how to properly launch SEO campaigns.
It just exemplifies how good of a marketer Aaron Wall is – of himself.
So many written content on the bogus “Panda update” – Panda update is actually a false marketing trick by Google backed with some minor, REGULAR crawling mechanism update.
Yes, websites were hit, and yes websites were credited –> as happens ALL THE TIME, SEO is not an art and not science – It’s JUNK SCIENCE.
Google spam is as 10 pages deep per keyword. Panda or no Panda.
On the flip side and content wise, after the bogus Google update there was a true search engine phenomenon that isn’t as visible as what Matt Cunts write about, but funny enough – Not a single “SEO Persona” in the search engine industry wrote about it; why? Because they are clueless and they don’t practice what they teach so they couldn’t even notice it. What was it? Sorry, I am not in the business of advising the advisors.”Panda update” will eventually be nothing interesting TO ANYONE. It will be forgotten as a football game in mid-season.
Here’s an idea, why don’t the self proclaimed SEO gurus Take on a 2 phrase competitive casino keyword and rank it on a fresh domain instead of marketing with logos? (And rank it FAIRLY without help of 1000′s of “friends” who can contribute a link for them), show people what you REALLY got in a real tough industry and then I’ll believe you. And BTW Casino is illegal in the US, so feel free to take on a weight loss keyword.
You see, these kind of marketing havens (SEObook, Warriorforum, and many others) are USUALLY great at self marketing but ALMOST ALWAYS fail to produce and/or deliver real street-smarts content.
SEOBook is packed with Google analytics screenshots and posts; show me a professional PPC company that is highly profitable and uses an analytical tool which doesn’t give you real time stats nor an IP address for your clicks. Once again – The BS is on.
SEO is market research, links, content and professional diversity (Servers, IP addresses and more) and is not that hard to execute – It’s the job of people like Aaron and Brad Callen to make it appear difficult, so they could offer $300 monthly coaching programs. There’s room for everyone and there’s demand.
I am NOT calling on an “Aaron Wall Scam” or saying Aaron Wall is a bad person like Frank Kern is; if I was to say that – I would tell you EXACTLY who I am and give you my number. I am just sharpening FACTS.
So for all those “Who are you, another anonymous arrogant” complainers – I will not write who I am because it’s none of your business and I am anonymous. No one knows me or my company which is the way I want it to be. As a matter of fact, it’s not even an American enterprise as Salty knows from my IP Address; I don’t plan on branding myself because I don’t intend on selling anything. People only sell when their mechanism is not making enough money to make ends meet.
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SD Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
@987 ::
… and you can stay anonymous too … that’s one of the joys of this place … but you shouldn’t talk so much when you’re way off topic … the topic here being me … and how fucking awesome I am.
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Juice Reply:
August 27th, 2011 at 7:12 am
@SD, Oh how I’d love to look deeply into your LED’s!
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aaron wall Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
@987,
“Let’s bust some myths, like the Panda myth”
Calling the Panda update a “myth” is an abuse of the English language.
“Nice words and polite manners are not an alternative for real life practicing.”
So a person needs to be bad with words and rude to be a teacher? How is this suggestion the least bit relevant? Did you buy something from the Rich Jerk (who later claimed he needed to change his approach because the RJ approach was too inauthentic)? :D
“Consulting others who “Run 10′s of thousands of sites” is not a certification for teaching or charging $3600 annually for open source knowledge.”
I don’t personally run 10k domains…I was saying our members cumulatively do. You may have data from 1 domain or 2 or 5. I have insights into many more than most people do.
Do you have a link to a site you owned that was hit by Panda that you got unpenalized then? If the knowledge is “open source” then why is the best the public SEO sphere has to offer quotes of Google engineers? Something is missing…and that something is “actionable useful advice.”
“The way SEOBook.com phrases user subscriptions: $10 per day – Won’t get them the marketers that know their act in business. Call it $3600 per year and let’s watch it creating an “internal Panda update” affecting how many subscriptions they get.”
1.) We don’t force people to subscribe a year at a time. They stay as long as they find value.
2.) For some members that is a month & for some members it has been years.
3.) In markets where people do free trials & payment plans and so on, why should I select an imposingly large upfront term? That would be stupid marketing. A person who claims to be a copywriting expert should know that.
“A screenshot of a 9 year old well branded domain with TONS of unique content ranking for a keyword like “SEO Training” is not a proof of someone who knows his act on mastering SEO. It’s solely a proof of an intelligent person, consistent in developing and branding his business.”
Obviously it is as a much a branding strategy as a proof of value of SEO. But I gain nothing in saying “here is one of my sites everybody” because Google has already in the past shown that they do view things differently when they are from me. How many other SEOs have you seen a leading Google engineer put up a poll for torching on their blog?
Incidentally, Google engineers don’t do that sort of “polling” to SEOs who are bad at their craft.
“A person who focuses on the industry and actual SEO uses real existent properties he/she REGULARLY CREATE and not flooding the homepage with fancy logos like those of Techcrunch and Wikipedia which is the prototype of scam Clickbank products. I can’t find a single “Click here to watch what I did with this 2 months old domain” link on SOBook.com. Send me the link if you have one – I’ll instantly apologize.”
So if success can’t be had in 2 months it isn’t worth going after? Sounds pretty absurd. :D
I do have sites that have done great at less than 2 months in. I can post analytics screenshots, but I am not going to post the URLs. Once again, I gain nothing in revealing my sites and keywords … it invites competition into that exact keyword space. And while I may be good at my craft, I only destroy my cashflows & the value of my time if I push a lot of people to compete directly against me.
“Truth is, that the vast majority of people will never create a huge site like SEO book and it’s not the reason they visit the website, most people want to rank a small business or a small-to-medium niche site; large portal owners like Pokerlistings.com don’t even visit SEObook or any other so called seo training resource because they can teach anyone, including Aaron Wall how to properly launch SEO campaigns.”
Total bullshit there. Some of our customers are top poker affiliates & Randy Ray, one of the leading poker affiliates on the web, is one of our moderators. eBay’s head of SEO has been a member at our forums for years. Our SEO clients have included 1 of the 3 largest ecommerce sites, 1 of the 3 largest web portals, etc. A headhunter for Microsoft tried to hire me as well, but taking that job would have been a pay cut, so I passed.
“So many written content on the bogus “Panda update” – Panda update is actually a false marketing trick by Google backed with some minor, REGULAR crawling mechanism update.”
This sounds like writing from someone who did not lose hundreds or thousands of Dollars per day in income & profits from the Panda change. Anyone who was hit by it would not call it minor. In fact, I have been in SEO for about 9 years & the *only* update that was anywhere near as HUGE as the Panda update has been was the Florida update in 2003.
“Yes, websites were hit, and yes websites were credited –> as happens ALL THE TIME, SEO is not an art and not science – It’s JUNK SCIENCE.”
To say that SEO is “junk science” is also to claim the same for information retrieval. A laughable suggestion.
“Google spam is as 10 pages deep per keyword. Panda or no Panda.”
And if it is your site ranking vs NOT YOUR SITE that makes a big difference.
“On the flip side and content wise, after the bogus Google update there was a true search engine phenomenon that isn’t as visible as what Matt Cunts write about, but funny enough – Not a single “SEO Persona” in the search engine industry wrote about it; why? Because they are clueless and they don’t practice what they teach so they couldn’t even notice it. What was it? Sorry, I am not in the business of advising the advisors.”Panda update” will eventually be nothing interesting TO ANYONE. It will be forgotten as a football game in mid-season.”
Hey look, a faux guru with a secret that nobody else knows.
“Here’s an idea, why don’t the self proclaimed SEO gurus Take on a 2 phrase competitive casino keyword and rank it on a fresh domain instead of marketing with logos? (And rank it FAIRLY without help of 1000′s of “friends” who can contribute a link for them), show people what you REALLY got in a real tough industry and then I’ll believe you. And BTW Casino is illegal in the US, so feel free to take on a weight loss keyword.”
And as soon as they highlight that it was them, and what they did, and the site gets torched, they get an ego stroke while missing out on thousands of Dollars per day in income. Pretty stupid trade off you are suggesting…that a person doesn’t know what they are doing unless they willingly burn thousands of Dollars per day.
“You see, these kind of marketing havens (SEObook, Warriorforum, and many others) are USUALLY great at self marketing but ALMOST ALWAYS fail to produce and/or deliver real street-smarts content.”
It is insulting to compare us to warriorforums…so go screw yourself on that front buddy.
“SEOBook is packed with Google analytics screenshots and posts; show me a professional PPC company that is highly profitable and uses an analytical tool which doesn’t give you real time stats nor an IP address for your clicks. Once again – The BS is on.”
Did you miss my blog post a few days ago where I suggested people should use multiple web analytics tools in parallel? Obviously you did…because now you are just picking ignorant crap out of the air that isn’t even in the least bit accurate if you actually read our site.
“SEO is market research, links, content and professional diversity (Servers, IP addresses and more) and is not that hard to execute”
I agree that it is not hard…it just takes a willingness to do the work (learn the market, do the marketing, invest properly in strategies that work, etc.)
Scaling it & scaling it profitably in a sustainable way *is* challenging though.
“I am NOT calling on an “Aaron Wall Scam” or saying Aaron Wall is a bad person like Frank Kern is; if I was to say that – I would tell you EXACTLY who I am and give you my number. I am just sharpening FACTS.”
You did list our site name right next to WarriorForums, so your b/s disclaimer that you are not doing what you do while you are doing it is, of course, equally dishonest and sleazy.
“So for all those “Who are you, another anonymous arrogant” complainers – I will not write who I am because it’s none of your business and I am anonymous. No one knows me or my company which is the way I want it to be. As a matter of fact, it’s not even an American enterprise as Salty knows from my IP Address; I don’t plan on branding myself because I don’t intend on selling anything. People only sell when their mechanism is not making enough money to make ends meet.”
I love how you suggest that everyone else needs to rank for a multi-thousand Dollar keyword in 2 months then publicly out themselves to torch it in order for them to have any credibility, while you claim that your flames are legitimate while being totally anonymous.
I respect SD because he calls a spade a spade & puts himself behind it. Whereas you do the anonymous coward angle while also throwing in some hypocritical stuff about how nobody else has credibility even if they put themselves out there way more than you do. It is a laughable disgrace.
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Martypants Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
@aaron wall, I should’ve known…:)
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Juice Reply:
August 27th, 2011 at 7:22 am
@aaron wall, I have to say 987 has blown a fuse. If you’ve never even been a member of Aarons site, its not fair to say some of those comments man.
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987 Reply:
September 9th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
@aaron wall, I know exactly who Randy Ray is, I know all of his casino and poker assets, I know who he partnered with, I know of other industries he’s been affiliated with, I know he IS GOOD AT WHAT HE WAS DOING and I know he weighs 450 pounds. I also know how rude of a person he is.
Nevertheless, a successful online marketer driving leads in a tough industry.
You, my friend – Are not Randy Ray.
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aaron wall Reply:
September 9th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
@987, right. and, unlike you, neither of us are anonymous ignorant jackasses who try to claim authority over topics they are completely ignorant about (eg: calling the panda update a myth)
have a great day & may you remain forever ignorant!
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Martypants Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
@987, ok, enough is enough man–
I am speaking from a place of being a paid subscriber, for years, on Aaron’s stuff. I also work for him when he lets me.
You, are speaking out of your ass.
You don’t know what you are talking about.
What is this based on?
Do you know who is in the forums…because I am in there every day bud, and I seriously don’t – but I do know that there are some pretty leveraged players in there, talking – openly – about whatever is happening. How do I know? Because I am in there – in it directly – testing, and tweaking things we discuss – not simply shouting it out from somewhere else like an asshole. I am both in and out of the forums of SEOBook – you, however, with all your opinions on it, are not.
Flex some Alexa numbers at me man (wow- I suck!) – tell me why I am a failure – but just shut the fuck up about things where you are clueless. If at all possible.
You stating Panda is not “real” means only you have a limited grasp on the web…not that it isn’t real.
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Jack Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
@Martypants, It’s good that you wrote about this, because at first I thought he was telling us about that Pandas weren’t real and it was confusing to me, but now that I can understand more about the real statement he made, the first thing I thought he was telling us about is making much more sense to me.
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Jack Reply:
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Jack Reply:
August 26th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@Jack, the video above for you to enjoy is from Mr. Wall
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Martypants Reply:
August 26th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
@Jack, hahahaha – The robotic answers were so perfect for this – and Aaron’s video was so appropriate to the way Google was/is/will be. A great medium used here, even though I think it was clearly more cost effective than strategically planned. He ain’t got the droid’s video boss chops XX.
I will forever enjoy a little extra personal happiness in this one too, because the Amazon reference at the beginning was inspired by me bitching about it.
Funny thing about that: a Google search on “Amazon” now shows the river way at the bottom of page two, only in the suggested alternatives. We win!!
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SD Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:37 am
@anonone ::
Nope :: that’s not why … bad guess though.
I was gonna to “choose” Huffington Post … or Slate … or Salon … but then I looked at their shitty-ass-shitty ad networks and remembered about all the people getting sucked into Jeremy Johnson’s scam. Then I remembered about how pretty much the whole fucking Internet is supported by bogus ads and bullshit.
I don’t recall the chapter in Sun Tzu about burying your head in the sand … but maybe it was lost in translation.
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anonone Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@SD,
Thanks, SD. I really was curious as to why you approved SEO Book as it would appear to be a tacit endorsement (or maybe even explicit) of what they are promoting.
Anyway, I forgot to mention that is was an excellent interview.
Thanks!
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What I took away from the interview:
“If you have something to say, then say it.”
Nice job with the interview JJ. You have given lots of people one big backbone.
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I loved the interview. Thanks for the inside look. Appreciate all the time and hard work you have put into opening the eyes of gullible people such as myself. I was falling for the law if attraction get rich quick bullshit scams. Luckily, had only invested around 500.00$ or so when started reading your truths and discovering the greedy pig narcissistic tactics of this thing called the syndicate. I am grateful. Please keep going.
BTW, what is going on with the slimey snake, JAR? I admit, I was one of his followers for awhile. Geez…
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Ryan Healy Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:34 am
@kate, James Arthur Ray killed people. Salty has been covering the story for a couple years. Go to this category, then start with the oldest post and read forward.
http://saltydroid.info/category/james-arthur-ray/
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Aristoletes Italia Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:45 pm
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Stoic Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:51 am
@Aristoletes Italia,
Keep going, Aristotle. You are covering yourself in glory…or something.
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Enjoyed the interview, Salty. It’s cool to see/hear the human side of you.
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Long time commenter, first time listener. Yet one more time again your already-revealed identity has been exposed.
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SD Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:16 pm
@Jack ::
ha!
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Bob N. Ray Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:37 am
@Jack, Well, the bad guys like to expose things people already know in their so-called products, so it fits in with their pattern of obviousness.
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Juice Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:23 am
@Jack, I was surprised you did it actually SD. The jury is still out for me if it was a good idea. I thought you’d sound a little more, umh, hard.
But before you laser-beam me, I guess its good to put a personality behind the site. Rapport and all that.
And yes please keep posting the juicey posts!
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SD Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
@Juice ::
… you have your own jury?
Let me know what they decide :: expecially since they have no fucking idea what I’m up to …
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Nice to hear the “voice” behind the writing.
I expected a bit more “abrasiveness” in the interview … but obviously the droid really is a persona.
Keep up the good work with what you are doing here.
It’s also interesting to no there are like 4 comments so far on the other site but there are already 20+ here.
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aaron wall Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:37 pm
@RT, I think he in part wanted to explain the persona. The amount that the persona could explain itself through demonstration has been done for a long time (and likely a long time to come). But if you are explaining the whys behind what you do on a persona perhaps it is hard to do some aspects of that while acting as that persona.
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SD Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
@RT ::
It’s like … it’s not Scared Straight! … that’s not why it’s funny. I didn’t used to run with these hee-haws … and now I’m some pissed off :: barely-reformed :: psycho trying to bite back in vengeance.
I’m superior to them in every way :: I’m a nerd who reads books and went to fucking law school :: but I’m pretending that I’m worse than them … and still winning.
Welcome to the joke.
And also :: hello! {not just @RT} :: that was an interview for a popular website … and we were recording it. It’s like so fucking awkward. If SEO expert Ryan Deiss calls in he’s gonna get a different Jason … and he’ll have a hard time recovering from it.
Call me Ryan!
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SD Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@J ::
Well post in some links smart guy … I said I’m waiting to be convinced … not that I’m unconvincible.
This reminds me of the part of the interview where Jason said people who find out that “make money online” is bullshit like to lash out at the robot.
So welcome … and I’m sorry about how you can’t make money online.
Incidentally :: restaurants are among the worstest … hardest … businesses to have success with. If you aspire to be a great cook … open a restaurant. If you aspire to great financial success … go to law school and then Wall Street.
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J Reply:
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SD Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:11 pm
@J ::
What no links?
Oh the fucking shock of it …
I’m not implying that law school –> wall street is “easy” you fool … I’m implying that they’re stealing all the fucking money … and if you want you some of it then that’s the unlikely {and not noble} goal you should set for yourself.
Everyone with a business should be utilizing the amazing power of the Internet for marketing :: but “the Internet” is not a business by itself.
Most of the stuff you just named there is the unnecessary creation of new unnecessary middle men. But the technology itself is working :: quite obviously :: as a destroyer of middle men.
Build a “business” in opposition to the flow of the technology … and the best you can hope for is highly-temporary-almost-success. Good luck with that …
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August 23rd, 2011 at 3:38 pm
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SD Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:43 pm
@J ::
OMG-Classic!
Thanks man … seriously.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 4:01 pm
@J,
“Many haven’t made money online does not equal, nobody can make money online.”
That isn’t the point this site makes.
This site says that the products sold by the IM training guys don’t teach people what they need to know to be successful.
People may well be successful using the web. But paying The Syndicate $1995 isn’t what made them successful.
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Irwin Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:07 pm
@Anonymous,
Well said.
@ 987,
And also regarding the critic above of SD granting an interview to Aaron “SEO Book” Wall. While Mr Wall may have “positioned” himself as an SEO guru, among many others in his field – I thought it was relevant and on topic for him to interview the Droid.
I have been an avid reader of both blogs for years and have found most posts on SD and SEO Book to be both highly informative and insightful. And I haven’t had to fork over $1997.97 to read them.
Grazie to you both.
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August 24th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:18 pm
@J, Hey, Pat…is that you AGAIN?
@SD: I know I’m late to the party as usual, but that was a really good interview. Was being interviewed by a sharp Internet reporter a lot different than being filmed in a Rolls-Royce with a gorgeous fitness model at your side?
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J Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
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Uncle Ralph Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:57 am
@J, A temporary blast of cash, or something that depends solely on time, fads, or moon alignment, is not a business.
Maintaining a successful business completely online that is not a scam, and without doing dicey things, over the long haul is not particularly common from a stastitical standpoint. The mass internet hasn’t even been in place but a little over a decade.
You’re more than a little premature in your claims. Nobody would contest you can’t make $40 a week selling trinkets on ebay, even though that could fluctuate, but most people would question whether you were sane to forego a job or career to do that.
The douchebags SD highlights on this site are promoting fantasies far loftier and rooted in the ridiculous. It’s packaged escapism. People simply do NOT sell their own detailed business plans that are actually WORKING. Instead, they work them themelves.
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J Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
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whatthewhat Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@J,
I’m not telling you why I voted your comments down. Do your own research.
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J Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
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Juice Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:43 am
@J, Post some links you f’kin big mouth pussy!
“oh I can’t show people my websites” You soft c*nt!
I share Jason’s beliefs for the most part. The internet was invented by Tim Berners-Lee for one sole purpose. His idea was to create a space without rules and regulations that would be equal for everyone.
However, the opposite is happening and those with the biggest resources or category dominance are shouting the loudest and consequently making the most money.
That’s the problem its all about the green. Marketing messages thrown in our faces at every corner. Its so monotonous. Everyone claiming to be an expert, everyone has a solution to a non-existent problem.
It shows one thing, humans are more f’kin greedy than ever. Evolution has arrested, its going backwards!
Apple, Google, Microsoft. “Look How Rich We Are”. Why do you think?
Because the banks lent money they didn’t have and people spent like there’s no tomorrow, to fill a void in their shitty little lives. And this is a positive thing? Is this really progress?
On the whole the world is financially fucked!
More people than ever are being loaded with powders, pills and potions. Do you think this helps with their decisions on how not to spend even more money they don’t have?
And for all the big companies, conglomerates and share holders (and the get rich c*nts) making all the money, brilliant. A tiny percentage has it all and the rest of the people have fuck-all left!
P.S. I love the internet. No really I do.
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J Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
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SD Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
@J ::
BTW … you’re never going to make money online.
Embrace it … breathe it in.
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Regrets Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
@J, something is terribly wrong… a big red flag… like someone has been taking way too many “I love money and rich people wealth mindset” seminars.
It’s not too late to get your brain back. It will come back a little damaged, but still better than having nothing.
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J Reply:
August 28th, 2011 at 9:49 am
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Bix Reply:
August 28th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
@J, When you delude yourself that your contrarian view is superior to that of everyone around you, that makes you an arrogant fool. You’ve no doubt been told that before.
…..This just in,
The Syndicate had revealed the identity of the fake robot ‘Salty Droid’ to be
that of Jason Jones….
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Heaps Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:40 am
@Fake Blogger, LOL Obviously, they must have paid a top-notch private investigator to crack open the “ABOUT” page on this blog from two years ago. Now, that’s some amazing sleuthin’.
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123 Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@987, no one is reading your words carefully…you need a reason first.
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SD Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
@987 ::
Alright then. And you gots the rights to think SEOBook sucks too. The points made counter to your “point” were the points that were going to made on this thread no matter what. Cause if you didn’t do it … some syndicate d-bag would proxy up and do it.
@123 ::
… come on man.
because …
you know?
don’t make me say it.
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123 Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
@SD, oops. done. sorry.
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Aaron: “[...] sites like Rip Off Report that have been called a variety of things. I don’t even know what words I could use without availing myself to a lawsuit but uh-”
Salty: “Extortion racket? I’ll say it. Extortion racket. That’s what people accuse them of. Of running an extortion racket.”
*standing ovation for standing up for truth*
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SD Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
@Truth Win ::
… unlike Ed … who has a hard time standing up for anything … even more Cheetos
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Well, all this time and I never knew!
‘I’m a marketer. Oh, that’s great. This is great marketing, bud.’
Now that I know I’ll give you a testimonial:
Great interview, SD (author), great marketing, bud. I’ll buy your baiting book when its written, I always appreciate a new wrinkle or two.
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I think that people that say things like “do your own research” when asked to provide links to people that are successfully making money online, given the amount of research that goes into making this site, are stupid.
Read this site dumbass, there is nothing but research on here. The reason you don’t provide a link, is because you don’t know of any.
Sheeshmon, you can’t even just provide a link to a porn site? I bet those guys make some kind of money online. They are actually providing goods and services that people want to buy. But, maybe selling porn online doesn’t make money either. Who knows?
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987 Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am
@Rafael Marquez, I don’t understand the attitude, really.
Saltydroid.info is a GREAT resource for preventing scams, but it has nothing to do with legit enterprises worldwide using the internet to make ends meet.
Do you really need links in order to see it’s possible to generate revenue online?
This blog isn’t about “It’s impossible to make money online”, this blog is about “This is how THESE scammers scam you out of your money”.
Do you really believe someone is going to offer you links? OK, here are a few links for you:
- webhostinggeeks.com
- pokerlistings.com
- ebay.com
- amazon.com
The owners of the first 2 make a lot of legit money and thousands of members in both the others accomplish the same.
Do you need more? There are hundreds of thousands more.
I wish people will stop being so blind. I wish.
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 8:44 am
@987,
Thanks for proving my point dude. Out of what, hundreds of millions of websites out there (maybe billions?) “hundreds of thousands” make some kind of money.
Is it possible to make money online? Yes, it is possible. Is it likely that you (or Debbie) will make money by buying the magic bullets and fairy unicorns that the scammers are selling? No, it’s not likely at all.
You basically have to have or have to be something pretty spectacular, or at the very least be “remarkable” in order to stand out from the crowd.
It’s kind of like going to Hollywood and becoming a rich and famous actor. Is it possible for someone to become a rich and famous Hollywood actor? Yes, it’s possible. Is it likely that you will become a rich and famous actor by attending an open call at the local mall that you heard about on the radio? No, it’s not likely at all.
So yeah, not blind, just realistic. Jaded and cynical some might even say.
I was in the room when Belcher made his “asteroid robot” comment.
Just so you know, I’ve been hanging out here for years, from the beginning really and using my real name too. I know what this site is about, but thanks for the reminder anyway.
Cheers mate.
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SD Reply:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
@Rafael Marquez ::
There’s loads of money in the porns … which is why you can’t money at it.
If there is loads of money … then people pile in … consolidate … and a couple large players end up controlling most of the monies.
And so shall it be forever.
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How ironic that a salty foul mouthed brilliantly witty robot is out ranking the internet marketing and seo experts, virtually mopping the floor with them.
How ironic that virtual “dinner” conversations on the social spheres are crushing the scammer’s best attempts at damage control like nasty little cockroaches they are.
How ironic that the energy behind this whole community is steadily increasing and bringing back the things deserved to the law of attraction experts.
Funny how so many people are creating knock offs this blog and continually perpetuate the clarity and exposing the dirty BIG secrets behind closed doors.
If I could sum up this blog in one phrase it would be “Hilarious irony”.
I don’t believe in magical unicorns, but I do believe in robot blogs with magical moobs (Perry Belcher) and value-based vagina fecal-faces (Jeff Walker). Can’t get those images out of my head! ROTFLAO
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@J: The Rolls Royce remark in my comment above was directed to Salty. It was a reference to a post he wrote last year in honor of the Salty Droid World Cup winner. http://saltydroid.info/joe-vitale-phantom-menace/
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Good interview dude….
For all the SEO talks….you’re all wrong…pigeons are used to rank websites on google….that’s why salty ranks so fast…he writes about people with bird brains…it confuses the pigeons….they think family….damn stupid birds…good for the cause though….just kidding pigeons…peck away little birds…peck away….
http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html
It is why people who use pictures with shiny things, and the word birds [[seeds, etc]] rank higher….shhhhh….don’t tell anyone….
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Frabulous interview. Freaking frantastic. It was good to hear the voice behind the legend.
987 — you’re right, SEO isn’t rocket science. That was your gist, right?
That said, SEOBook was the first credible resource I found a few months back when I stuck my virgin fingers into the SEO pie. (And you never forget your first time.)
I don’t subscribe to SEOBook, but I have read and watched everyFREEthing Aaron Wall puts out about SEO.
They (SEOBook) stay on top of “search” and make it a priority to do so. I don’t pay for their info, but I’m in the demographic that rarely pays for information on the internet. (Most likely because I is half genius and us half geniuses don’t need learning help from others who have learned like we can.)
Here’s another How To SEO resource I regularly follow: http://www.seo-theory.com/ He’s a little saltier than SEOBook in his views.
Thanks again for publishing the interview.
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Well, some rare folks can and do make money online, but it takes work, effort, constant focus, a hell of a lot of trial and error with NO magic formula or turn-key crap, learning how to make good decisions(more trial and error), building a team of people to assist(the very hardest thing of all in my experience).
And SEO is useless if you don’t have anything of actual value to offer, can’t reach people with your message once they’ve found you, or are ripping people off and lots of folks are talking about your rip off actions.
I DO make money on line. But it’s increasingly more difficult and I’ve had to wade my way through lots of bad decisions, terrible advice and lots of ups and downs.
RJ
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SD Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@Ross Jeffries ::
… that’s what she said!
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
@SD,
Your comments are below(BLOW) me!
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srsly Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
@Ross Jeffries, so is that the classic “charm” you use to get all the lady(boy)s? No wonder why you’re a hit with all the (she)males!
Ps. Your Niche Is Lame.
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Mark Desade Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
@SD, she needs to take a new direction in her life.
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Just a note about Aaron Wall. Interesting story.
Many people will not know this, but some years ago Aaron commented on his web site about a certain “SEO” boiler room operation that targeted small business owners. They used shady tactics that actually got a number of their customers’ web sites BANNED from google. They also charged outrageous fees and promised the moon. Long story short, the boiler room sued Aaron for standing up and speaking the truth. It was quite a saga.
However, the best part of the story reveals Aaron’s character.
Another blogger also commented about this firm, and they sued him, too. Unfortunately, that blogger had limited resources and wasn’t in a position to defend himself. Aaron actually helped that blogger by providing funds for his legal defense.
I hope I’ve recalled the details correctly, and Aaron can correct me if I haven’t, but I believe that was the sequence of events.
This is something that has stuck in my memory for all these years, and left a real impression. Besides being an absolutely brilliant guy, Aaron is also a really good person.
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wow. Thx for the story.
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I make money online.
I help businesses that have offline businesses, with addresses, products, addresses and phones that are answered.
The online component augments their offline business… And creates a revenue channel.
The problem starts when you sell air air, have no real product that you could sell in person, and no way of contacting people within the company.
Internet success carries the same odds as being a rock star. The reality is 99% will lose money, valuable time and fail.
Simply selling a model to get rich quick drives me nuts. There is only one Facebook, twitter for a reason. Many have tried to emulate the successful models, most fail. There is no business in a box.
Remeber, If you can’t talk to the senior people of a company, that’s your first clue that all is not well. All the ones mentioned on this site hide from their customers.
They must be on the beach living the life.
WINNER!! ::
+8
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Uncle Ralph Reply:
August 27th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@Webguy,
Very true, and to reiterate something that SD pointed out recently: middlemen are more destined to fail now because of technology advances than ever before. If you aren’t a well-funded, well-entrenched real business already, and have both lots of cash and control a breathtaking, desirable REAL WORLD product/line that can be defended (with more constantly in the pipeline), the idea of building a long lasting, substantial empire online is one of the most unlikely fantasies anyone could possibly buy into.
The bottom line is this: instead of the internet bringing the world to mom and pop businesses, it’s actually made it possible for larger entities to eat their lunch faster and more easily than at any time in the last 100 years. While there will always be exceptions, they are not the rule, and anyone contemplating the gamble would do well to heed Webguy’s reference to the “rockstar” odds in his comment above.
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Salty, did you develop some kind of human-like AI interface that channels your complicated hardware and programming into voice?
Kudos ….
Ansar
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+100 to the interview and to the fake Secretary ! =)
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My favorite quote from the interview:
“If you’re building something controversial, do not build it on the cloud, or else you can lose it.” ~SD
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