James Ray Trial :: The Defense Rests
After just two witnesses :: and excluding a few open evidentiary issues :: James Arthur Ray’s Munger Tolles & Olson defense team has notified the judge of their intent to rest their case without calling further witnesses. James Arthur Ray waived his right to testify :: as he should considering that he’s a soulless sham and a highly unimpressive conman who can’t go off the “syntax” without sounding like a lump of genetically defective broccoli.
Tweets James Ray’s twitter bot minutes later …
“Simplify your communications and only speak when you are certain, centered, and sure. – Practical Spirituality pg 112″
How unusually apropos! So I guess maybe he’ll take his own advice and never open his stupid useless mouth again? {one can hope!}
The first witness called by Munger Tolles & Olson was criminalist Dawn Sy :: who was scheduled to testify for the State :: but got bumped due to the surprisingly consistent defense obstructionism.
Ms. Sy was going to tell the State that she found nothing remarkable in the samples she tested :: and that’s what she told the defense.
So the defense’s only actual witness was paid Munger Tolles & Olson “expert” Dr. Ian Paul. Dr. Paul was tasked with talking out his ass about o-phosphates. He’ll get his paycheck {from Kirby and Colleen and Stephen and Beverley and Lou and Laurie and Linda and Sidney and Liz and etc’s monies of course} … but he was otherwise useless.
The above video was assembled from just the first few minutes of Bill Hughes’ destructive cross.
It’s hard to testify against the facts :: against science :: against reason :: against respectably :: against professionalism :: but money is the god of the gods :: and Dr. Paul :: it seems :: is a man of god.
Being a practically spiritual fake robot :: I believe I’ll reserve my communincations on the matter of the ultra short and useless defense until I am more certain :: centered :: and sure …
The end approacheth …
Tweets!!!!!
– Truc Do :: murderer of straw men. #JamesRay #
– Mr. Hughes vs. Dr. Paul … #JamesRay #
– Mr. Hughes is curious why o-phosphates weren’t mentioned in Dr. Paul’s original report given the importance he now places on them. #JamesRay #
– Dr. Paul also sourced e-medicine :: Mr. Hughes allows him to explain its glory and undo Truc’s Dr. Dickson dissing. #JamesRay #
– Mr. Hughes asks about the victims {who aren’t dead} with lasting effects that haven’t “snapped back”. Paul’s answer is bullshit. #JamesRay #
– Dr. Paul says Stephen Ray’s continuing memory problems aren’t consistent with o-phosphates. What a shame for #JamesRay #
– Mr. Hughes asks Dr. Paul to show him in the records where it says the victims were neurologically normal. He can’t. #JamesRay #
– Dr. Paul said he was waiting on S.Ray’s records before adding OPs :: but then admitted his problems not consistent with OPs. #JamesRay #
– Mr. Hughes going over Sidney Spencer’s non-recovery. It doesn’t change Dr. Paul’s “opinion” … making his “opinion” worth a shit. #JamesRay #
– The e-medicine article provided by Dr. Paul says some patients can continue to sweat :: contradicting what he just said on direct. #JamesRay #
– Paul says that the article only refers the exertional heat stroke :: even though the article doesn’t make that distinction. #JamesRay #
– Mr. Hughes tells Dr. Paul that NONE of the articles make the exertional distinction :: and asks him to cite a source. Recess. #JamesRay #
– Compare the Dickson cross to the Paul cross :: then compare Ms. Do’s paycheck to Mr. Hughes’ … something’s messed up. #JamesRay #
– Dr. Paul used the recess to not find a citation for his non-exertional non-sweat argument. That’s a shame. #JamesRay #
– Lou Caci was burned by the incredibly hot organo phosphates. #JamesRay #
– The defense’s key witness says Lou’s skin was “peeling off” :: so much for the “everyone was exaggerating” defense. #JamesRay #
– Mr. Hughes :: How much o-phosphate would you have to sit in to die? #JamesRay #
– Dr. Paul never seen an o-phosphate patient {or corpse} himself. #JamesRay #
– Dr. Paul has different standards for determining heat stroke deaths when he’s not being paid by Munger Tolles & Olsen. #JamesRay #
– The National Association of Medical Examiners doesn’t require a finding of dehydration for a heat stroke assessment. #JamesRay #
– Mr. Hughes asks Dr. Paul why he uses a different standard. The answer is obviously not good … but it is long. #JamesRay #
– The National Association position paper indicates that circumstantial evidence the key for heat stroke finding. #JamesRay #
– Temps weren’t available until an hour after the death lodge ended. #JamesRay Dr. Paul agrees that’s an important factor. #JamesRay #
– The temp outside the sweat lodge that night was 66F with 10MPH wind. #JamesRay #
– Q: Could Liz have cooled rapidly? A: Yes. #
– Dr. Paul and his paycheck uncomfortable talking about how people can cool down when it’s not hot. #JamesRay SCIENCE!! #
– If #JamesRay had said :: “someone help Laura with Liz” :: she’d be alive. Period. Dr. Paul can suck it. #
– Recess. Only real cross of the case. Glad we got to see some of it. #JamesRay #
>> bleep bloop
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:: read one now before you die of stupid.
So here we are at the almost end of the trial. I feel like I hiked mount Everest getting to this point with that last few miles in complete oblivion because of the non-feed from CNN.
So the defense rests as well they should. Who could possible mount a defense for JAR except someone paid to do it like Dr. Ian Paul. I thought his face looked liked his ass because that is what he was talking out of today. Anyone could tell that he was paid to say what he said and not for the sake of pure medical means but only for the bucks.
I would only hope that the prosecution would call Dr. Dickson to refute the testimony of Dr? Paul. It would be a win, then rest for the final verdict.
The jury questions for Paul was telling at where some of jurors are at. Don’t look good for JAR. I hope he’s made his final arrangements with the family.
WINNER!! ::
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Now we know what they have known all this time…they are and have been defenseless! Actually, their only defense has been the motions for mistrial.
Death Coach won’t be tweeting Whoohoo!! when the whip comes down.
Prediction: The widemouth ass is goin’ down hard!!
WINNER!! ::
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Whoops, that was quick. They had another three doctors and couple of detectives on their “people to impeach” list. I guess they decided it would be better to end it all and try and catch the state off guard, rather than stir up a hornets’ nest (er, I mean a black widow colony) and risk a recall of the dreaded Dr Dickson.
A swift end probably fits better with their plans for their well financed summer holidays too.
Who knows what the jury will decide — it only takes one or two sticklers to throw a spanner in the works — but at least enough of the facts have gotten through to them for a fitting verdict to at least be possible. I can’t imagine the jury has been taking anything said by the defense seriously since Dr Dickson’s testimony. I expect though that the judge’s summing up will weigh unusually heavily for the jury, given that the facts are pretty clear, and the only real question is whether or not there’s legal grounds for convictions.
If Darrow continues the line of reasoning he followed in his denial of the acquittal motion, then I imagine Death Ray is sunk on at least two of the counts.
And if Li makes the closing statement, a few years might be added to the sentence.
WINNER!! ::
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Omikse Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 5:26 am
@Yakaru,…. Given the amount of deference by the defense to organophosphates, how could there be any ‘hornets nests’ or a ‘black widow colony’ to stir up? (wink-wink-nudge-nudge..)
I hope Ray packs enough ‘tan in a can’ and hair dye for his long running, “Law of Attraction Prison Tour”. Oh, yes…and be sure to pack enough steroids should the ‘show’ be held over by popular demand. I wonder how receptive the other ‘guests’ of the State of Arizona will be to Rays’ motivational monologue?
WINNER!! ::
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Jean D Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@Omikse, LOL “Tan in a can”. Once he runs out,though,he’s just gonna be another pale and wrinkled dude in a jumpsuit.
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Omikse Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@Jean D,…maybe Ray can order an organophosphate cocktail before he goes away in that orange jumpsuit. I hope they have the matching wrist and ankle bracelets ready for him, he does need to accessorize, he looks simply dreadful in that shade of orange.
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Rubies Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
@Omikse, That’s the thing…….. I can’t imagine something more dangerous than convicts convinced of the law of attraction and having JAR as their leader……… maybe the jury shouldn’t convict………..
LOL having a laugh.
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Omikse Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 6:17 am
@Rubies,…I hope that the truth of the statement, ” a con can spot another con” holds true…in which case Rays’ Law of Attraction classes for the other “guests” of the Arizona prison system will be very small. He’ll be making much less money, and be unable to mount an exhaustive appeal.
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 12:29 am
@Omikse ::
Actually :: as a general rule :: cons suck at spotting cons.
But Death Ray’s schtick is built around middle aged ladies … I don’t think he’ll be seeing many of those.
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Charles Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 4:49 am
@Omikse, JR prolly cant wait to get there now so he can convert the unconvertable and write a book about it. I would put nothing past him or any of his self centred fake gurus.
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kalista7 Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
@Yakaru, Jury question: “If a person passes out in a sweat lodge, should they be removed, or is it okay to wait?” Dr. Paul: “Passing out is a sign of heat exhaustion. They should be removed.”
WINNER!! ::
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Jean D Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 9:49 am
@Yakaru, Does anyone know what happened to the long witness lists?
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Defense attorneys should co-write a book and make a video called “The Law of Distraction” because that’s all they do. Distract to create reasonable doubt even if they suck at it. I know it’s their job,but Jeez Louise! Could the JAR crew honestly be any more ridiculous? This trial is about James Ray not responding to participants in distress. Period. Even we could imagine for a millisecond that organophosphate poisoning were even a real issue;the basic fact is that James Arthur Ray didn’t give a rat’s ass about anyone and actually encouraged them to give up their lives.
Now I finally get this joke I heard years ago: Do you know how to tell if a car has run over a skunk or a defense attorney? When it’s a skunk, there are skid marks.
WINNER!! ::
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Yakaru Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 11:37 am
@Jean D,
I’m still waiting for JAR’s book: “If Ted Did It”.
WINNER!! ::
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wondering why Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
@Yakaru, Good one!!
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Jean D Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
@Yakaru, That’s hilarious!
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Omikse Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
@Yakaru,…self-help books Ray is working on…”My Life in Prison Orange”…”Organophosphates: How to Use Them”…’Manipulation, Pointing Fingers, and Laying Blame”…”Picking the Right Defense”.
WINNER!! ::
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Pathfinder Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
@Omikse, The first title would be amended, “Achieving the Life You Desire in Prison Orange or “Harmonic Incarceration”.
WINNER!! ::
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Charles Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 4:51 am
@Omikse, If I Can You Can Too
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Linda Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
@Yakaru, perfect title…i love it! The creep will probably make money at it.
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The defense resting so quickly caught me off guard. I guess there wasn’t much to say after all. Seems like Li could’ve done a much shorter, and less boring, opening statement if he had left out all the non-existent stuff they were going to prove to the jury. Maybe Li and Do are just over it already and want to go home.
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Linda Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
@what??, maybe they rested so quickly ’cause they realized even their own defense witnesses ended up hurting their case. then again, maybe he ran out of money to pay them. and you don’t stick around just out of the goodness of your heart!
WINNER!! ::
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LaVaughn Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
@Linda, Or both. I’ve been speculating for some time that Ray is running a tab at this point and his lawyers know better than anyone how well he pays his debts. I also think whatever witnesses they put up would raise more questions and open up them up to too much rebuttal.
WINNER!! ::
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White Rabbit Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
@what??,
So now we’ve seen what a million dollar deposit gets you with a crackerjack defense team.
Like they say: There’s a surprise in every box.
The gig’s up. Rats know when to abandon ship.
WINNER!! ::
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I’m wondering where Injun Samarai is…
Surely he has something good to say about circumstances so far.
WINNER!! ::
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 1:57 am
@Rubies ::
He comes and goes like the wind.
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The jury asks (hypothetically):
“If several people pass out in a sweat lodge, and the arrogant jackass who fleeced them of over half a million dollars doesn’t care enough to have them removed and three people die and many more are injured, should we acquit or CONVICT?
WINNER!! ::
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 2:03 am
@Mario ::
Objection! Argumentative!
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@Mario,
Which is why the o-phosphate argument is irrelevant anyway. Even if a poisonous cloud of chemical ultra-doom had been released in the tent by evil zombie pixie sprites, the fact that people were passing out would be enough to push a normal person into stop and rescue mode.
But Ray was steroided-up on Play Harder Headfuck Lube, so he was all – I’m going to carry on until I get everyone off.
It doesn’t matter who built the lodge, what was in the wood, or what colour the sky was.
Manslaughter happened because Ray ignored the choking, spluttering, burning and dying in front of him.
That was his choice and his responsibility, and he’s going to do time for it.
Meanwhile MTO have either run out of cash, or the Professional Attorney Posse have kicked down their doors and told them to STFU already because they’re embarrassing, like, everyone on Earth with their heelarious untintentional comedy.
I’d like to think it’s Plan B, but really, Plan A seems way more likely.
WINNER!! ::
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Stoic Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
@AvengingAngel,
DeathRay intended for people to pass out with heat stroke–it was the only way that he could give them the altered state experience he had charged them $10,000 for.
A participant at an earlier sweat tent was hospitalised with heatstroke and later told DeathRay, when Deathray made a point of enquiring, that he had experienced ‘dying’.
I think from that point on that final, irrevocable death was on the cards for some of his customers.
Why else keep piling on the heat?
WINNER!! ::
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Jean D Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@Stoic, Here is the link I’ve mentioned various times (ran across it in 2009 by googling james arthur ray ayahuasca) This is my theory: Ray tried to re-create his near death experiences in S. America with high heat in those faux sweat lodges. I believe,in his sick,twisted brain, he believed heat could substitute for hallucinogenic drugs.
If you can stand to listen to Ray for about 1.5 hours, you will hear him describe his faux “shaman” and his praise for psychoactive drugs;intramuscular injectable DMT and Ayahuasca, etc. It’s actually pretty scary. He says he actually thought he might not “come back” from the experiences. http://www.newsforthesoul.com/jamesray.htm (Listen to the one from July 21, 2003)
I am sure many of his victims would never have given him the time of day had they listened to this because it seems they were concerned with their health and living a drug-free life.
WINNER!! ::
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Anne Reply:
June 12th, 2011 at 9:22 am
@Jean D, Thanks for posting the link for the 2003 interview. (If you can call it an “interview” when the guest talks nearly non-stop for 90 minutes.)
It sounds like Ray has had his God complex for a long time. He said “Once you know that you’re God, where do you go next?”.
He did note that he hadn’t been on Oprah yet and Larry King didn’t know who he was yet, so maybe that was ‘god’s’ next challenge.
In recent years, was he still talking about the astral beings in the pyramid who performed surgery on him to rewire his neural network? That could explain a lot.
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Jean D Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
@Anne, I can’t believe he said that about being God. He definitely sounds manic on that monologue(you’re right,it wasn’t an inter-view) Yes,in 2003 he definitely had his sights set on Oprah and Larry King. I bet he was also figuring out where to cast lures to bait the most fish with live appearances.Maybe he and his minions used data like this: the meetup groups site would have allowed them to locate Law of Attraction believers. http://www.meetup.com/find/?sort=member_count&keywords=law+of+attraction&op=search&radius=25.0&show=results
Notice cities with the most LOA members(more than 1,000)are: London 3,772; New York,3,155; Toronto,2,716; Dubai,2,524; Los Angeles,2,397; Atlanta 1,267; Dublin 1,134; Charlotte,NC 1,053; Arlington TX 1,041. BTW What’s with Dubai and LOA? Someone had tweeted several months ago that Ray used to frequently mention Dubai. WTH?
@stoic Dennis’ story is a true tragedy. Glad you posted this as I had read it,yet forgotten how clearly heat-damaged he is. I hope he’s decided to litigate.
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Stoic Reply:
June 12th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
@Jean D,
As this didn’t come out in the testimony, here are the interview transcripts from the man (and his then wife) who had the near-death experience in 2005.
What is notable is how interested Deathray is in the experience, particularly in light of his later complete lack of interest in the casualties of later sweat-tents.
The wife’s testimony picks-up on the unusual interest shown, more than the near-death experiencer himself who is naturally rather confused by the experience.
http://tommcfeeley.com/content/Pfankuch-Daniel-transcript-103109.pdf
http://tommcfeeley.com/item/138/pfankuch-michele-interview-120509
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Hippo Reply:
June 12th, 2011 at 11:13 am
@AvengingAngel,
I commend you on your use of the term “Play Harder Headfuck Lube.”
I’m writing that one down. Well said.
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JAR Trivia: Did you know that JAR’s website’s “content and design produced by KillerGraffix?” That what it says at the bottom of his homepage. A fun fact to know and tell.
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Yakaru Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 9:58 am
@anonone,
Yeh, he has unerring judgment when it comes to irony that’s in such provocatively bad taste that it’s probably not irony.
The guy who’s been running his site for a while also has a rather questionable graphic on his twitter page: a ten year old boy photoshopped to have tatts and smoking a cigarette. Nice joke for an advertiser to use.
http://twitter.com/#!/MickMoore
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 2:13 am
@Yakaru ::
Wow :: that picture is unacceptable.
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Jack Reply:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
@Yakaru, Birds of feathers:
http://jointventures.jvnotifypro.com/2010/10/05/mick-moore-micro-niche-profit-automation-jv-invite-more/
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Jack Reply:
October 8th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
@Yakaru, This one just in now:
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_cartman_ Reply:
October 8th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
@Jack,
hahaha…thanks Jack…are they reviving that…
they first launched that in 2007…here’s the original trailer…stupidly funny…I don’t think the “movie” did so well…big surprise….
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Jack Reply:
October 8th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
@_cartman_, Nice finding…so what I think is it probably-obviously failed back towards 2007, because it’s the “Must See business film of 2011″ and people didn’t know feel like they must-see it in 2007 probably.
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_cartman_ Reply:
October 8th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
@Jack,
Most definitely. If it doesn’t do worse, I’ll be shocked.
You should check out some of the testimonials under the video…..I can’t tell if they are sarcaustic, or shills…
Quality throughout…he’s a funny shill…it isn’t even a quality trailer….
The “producer” has a couple of other movie trailers in his channel…same “flavor”, different names.
Lanna Reply:
October 8th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
@_cartman_,
I think Mick Moore is hoping people can’t tell the difference between Mick and Michael. He’s also probably hoping that Powerpoint-looking video of stock photos and un-famous people saying things we can’t hear will draw an audience. I think he’s in for a rude awakening.
Why don’t they re-edit “The Secret” to remove any murderers who might happen to have slipped into it, and then re-release it in 3D like Disney is doing? Oprah could promote it on her new cable channel.
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_cartman_ Reply:
October 8th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
@Lanna,
Until they see the trailer anyways. If he believes that people will be fooled after. I definitely want what Mick’s smoking!
LaVaughn Reply:
October 8th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
@_cartman_, Oh my god… I had no idea. I think I’m gonna be sick.
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Yakaru Reply:
October 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
@_cartman_, & @Jack
Interesting message. There’s a hard way (pic ofman begging on the streets) and an easy way (pic of man getting married). Do they mean marrying a rich person is just an easier form of begging on the streets? Whatever it is, they clearly see begging and getting married as essentially the same.
The highlight though is when Bob Procter suddenly appears out of nowhere and says that the people you associate with are a bigger influence on your life than than your genes, with footage of someone being locked up in jail. Well, Bob will be testifying for James Ray in november, so that’s entirely appropriate.
Really funny that it already got released once and tanked. Anyway there was already a sequel to the secret, called the moses code, which also tanked. I won’t link to the site because the domain got sold to an online casino.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
October 9th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
There have been more “sequels-to-The-Secret” New-Wage moviemercials than any one person could possibly keep track of… “Beyond The Secret”…”The Meta-Secret”…”The Opus”…”The Compass”…”The Leap”…”Try It On Everything” (which later became “The Tapping Solution”)…”Beyond Belief”…”Openings”…”Discover The Gift”…and on and on and on. Every one of them has attempted in some way to play off of the success of “The Secret.” Most of them feature the same basic lineup of hucksters and hustledorks; Bob Proctor is in many of them, and so, for that matter, is Joe Vitale (which is why he calls himself a movie star). Not one of these flimflam films has even come close to being as successful as “The Secret.” But that doesn’t keep the h-dorks from churning ‘em out.
stoic Reply:
October 10th, 2011 at 5:16 am
@Yakaru,
Bob’s been at this a long time–no frauduct has a sell-by date to him, it just gets endlessly recycled until something catches the zeitgeist.
Its a numbers game and Bob has the lists to be on the right side of the numbers.
Yakaru Reply:
October 11th, 2011 at 4:48 am
The worst thing is that Darrow upheld the defense’s request to go second in the mitigation hearing (opening the door very wide to further shenanigans). That means that Bob Procter may be the last witness the judge hears before considering the sentence. What a disgusting and inappropriate way for this trial to end.
At times the judge seems to have seen through the defense, and of course the defense has made no secret of their cynical strategies (great advertising for them, showcasing their ability to get a rich guy who’s guilty as hell off on technicalities).
Darrow has made some stupid decisions before – eg., limiting evidence from prior lodges on the grounds that Ray didn’t kill anyone previously so he couldn’t have known of any danger; and he’s made a few good ones, like the way he’s calmly batted away a dozen or more mistrial motions (so far).
Ray’s behavior these last two years and the defense’s transparent cynicism should be enough to make it clear what is going on, but sadly there is a gulf between what is obvious and what is legally “real”.
Bonnie Reply:
October 11th, 2011 at 7:21 am
@Yakaru,
The more this goes on and the more we see Judge Darrow’s actions and non actions, including all the mistrial motion rejections, the more I’m coming to believe that he made up his mind long time ago that he’s going to let this bastard go free — I hope I’m wrong, but it doesn’t look like it and my gut is telling me I’m right. Like I said before, if JAR doesn’t get the maximum jail time after all the damning evidence presented, including the jury finding him guilty of 3 negligent homicides, and that even “without” having all the facts or knowing any of JAR’s close calls and fraudulent and risky narcissistic past behavior, then Darrow’s being paid off, no two ways about it. I just hope JAR has lots and lots of money to pay for lots and lots of bodyguards and security because I think he’s going to need it. You can run from the truth, James, but you can’t hide.
Salty…this is for you, our dear friend, Lee Kuan under cover of one of his many pseudo/pen names, posted this at another site, some of us here thought you might enjoy it….
” by JasonDaro June 10, 2011 2:49 PM EDT
I know what it’s like to be deserted by your supposed friends and thrown to the proverbial wolves in a set up situation. It has been because of all the supposed “thousands” of people Mr Ray has helped and no one besides myself has been aggressively defend him, for free, on the Internet that I have been spending many hours fighting for his freedom. Frankly, I’ve just about had enough. Dr Paul was being paid $400.00 an hour to investigate into the three sweat lodge deaths. I’ve been paid ‘zip’ for all my efforts.
Well, I’m about completely fed up!
I’ve just about had it with this trial!
It’s none of my bloody business!!!
Whatever verdict the Universe sees fit to give Mr Ray is fine by me!!!!
So, if you people think I will be disappointed if Mr Ray goes to jail I suggest you guess again. What I will do is redouble my efforts to strengthen my connecting link to my source so that NO ONE will ever be able to do something like this to me!!!!
Fact of the matter is the Universe has brought this situation upon Mr Ray for some mysterious reason that is truly none of my business. I have chosen, like a fool, to make it my business and I am finally beginning to ‘wake up’ from this ‘defending James Arthur Ray’ trance I’ve been in since the story broke.
I’m ready for whatever the Universe has in store for Mr Ray. One way or another I WILL BE VICTORIOUS IN LIFE!!!! “
WINNER!! ::
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Linda Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
@Omikse, why do you guys assume that any defense someone puts out for Death Ray that it is this person Lee Kuan? Could it be possible it’s other people who are just as enamored of him? Is it because of the tone and rhythm of the language that it is identifiable? Could it be Ray himself? Just curious.
Does anyone think he’s working on a deal now with this team? I would if I were him since they couldn’t even bring witnesses in that favored him and then cut it so short. Doesn’t that look bad to the jury? Like, “Well, don’t you have anything to say for yourself?” It seems anyone who keeps trying to get off on a mistrial knows they are guilty as hell.
So do we want to place bets on whether he will let it go to the jury or try to get off a lighter sentence? Can the defense team argue that CNN showing public interest in the case was only when it was prosecution and he can’t get a fair defense since the media dropped the case when it was his turn to redeem himself (i.e., no one wants to hear what our client has to say so they’ve convicted him?)
When he gets the final conviction, will they put him in with those guys that have to wear pink underwear and work on chain gangs or will he get his own cell away from the rest of the population like Joran van der Sloot? Can a client get a declaration of a mistrial if their attorneys up and quit before the final? So many questions.
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Omikse Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
@Linda,…I am not assuming that Jason Daro is Lee Kuan…it is Lee Kuan. Some of us here, and at other sites, have had the dubious honor of dealing with Lee Kuan for well over a year now. He has managed to get booted off of dozens of forums and message boards. He can appear on line with a foul mouth, and has been known to threaten, bully and has attempted to hi-jack another person’s identity. He has used a minimum of at least 40+ fake names, some male, some female, but his ISP is always the same. He has been caught here using many different names, but the pattern is all Lee Kuan.
As for Rays’ defense team quitting on him…when you have no defense to begin with,it’s hard to do much with finger pointing…or throwing Ted under the bus…or blaming the victims. Maybe the defense decided to “poop or get off the pot”…
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LaVaughn Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
@Omikse, All that hard work. I can’t believe he didn’t get his $400 an hour. I mean, look, just because he didn’t go to medical school, work for years as a medical examiner, and appear in court for James Ray, doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be paid as an expert… something or other. It just doesn’t seem fair when one has spammed as hard for James Ray as he has.
Anyhoo… Ray’s defense team is still working hard for their client. I think they’ll be inventing new Brady violations and filing mistrial motions until the verdict comes in.
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Linda Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@Omikse, Thanks Omikse, I hope you know I wasn’t being critical but more curious as to how people know who it is? I appreciate the explanation. Oh well, sometimes people have nothing better to do than stir the pot.
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Omikse Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
@Linda,…No offense taken.All I can tell you is this, if you had spent over a year with the lunatic known as Lee Kuan dogging the forums and message boards, even posting to himself and arguing with himself…you would recognize the snappy pattern of his unique dysfunctional rantings. Including his misspellings and phraseology. He ‘stirs the pot’ with an outboard motor, he is far from subtle.
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Jean D Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
@Linda, Yes,Jason Daro is one of Lee Kuan’s oldest monikers. I found it on blogs from the 90s. @Omikse It’s hilarious that he posted this. He actually thought he would get paid by James Ray! I know he’s crazy and not responsible for what he does,but that’s pretty darn funny. What a way to end the week. Thanks for finding it.
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Hippo Reply:
June 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am
@Jean D,
Could you find and post that crazy picture of Lee Kuan you showed us a while back?
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Jean D Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 9:21 am
@Hippo, Let me see if I still have it. I had found about 3 of them.
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Hippo Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
@Jean D,
I think the one you showed me was of him standing in front of a tree doing some sort of martial-arts pose.
Jean D Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 10:17 am
@Hippo, I went to the thread where I had posted that pic but it’s not there. Your comment about it and my response are there, but not even my comment with the pic.
http://saltydroid.info/dateline-james-arthur-ray/
I also just noticed Lee Kuan’s blog no longer exists and his pictures attached to old forums have been deleted. On this blog the topic is Carlos Castaneda(another spirituality scammer Ray tried to emulate) Lee Kuan is Sidarthur Prospero and probably others. http://sustainedreaction.yuku.com/topic/5461
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Omikse Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 10:58 am
@Jean D,…I have to wonder if LK didn’t get into some type of trouble that we don’t know about. I went looking for pictures too, and every site that had photos of him, the photos are gone, wiped clean. His rantings are still on some sites, but most have been wiped away by moderators. His Twitter and Facebook pages are gone, even his own blogs are empty of pictures and rants as well. Maybe he is getting ready for the aliens to come for him??
John B. Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 11:55 am
@Jean D, I am thinking he is being investigated because of accusations he had made with regards to Angel Valley bribing public officials. It is a very serious accusation to make and, post 9/11, the federal gov’t. likes to investigate everything. His rantings may have caught up with him and this may have gone to Federal officials who have the power to delete everything Lee Kuan from the web including Lee Kuan himself. just my thoughts.
wondering why Reply:
June 11th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
@Omikse, That’s pretty funny that even Lee Kuan has given up on Ray..The last Rat deserting a sinking ship..LOL
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Omikse Reply:
June 12th, 2011 at 5:48 am
@wondering why,…yes, a loyal rat at that!!..LOL
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Hal (the original Hal) Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 11:18 am
@Omikse,
Does anybody know the driving force behind Lee Kuan’s obsession?
Was he brain damaged in a previous sweat lodge or is he some kind of harmonic sycophant?
Just curious.
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Stoic Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
@Hal (the original Hal),
After tracking him a bit last year it became apparent that Lee Kuan aspires to be the next James Ray which is why he won’t tolerate a word said against his idol.
He’s deranged, of course, and its of some long-standing.
He’s heavily into martial arts and body culture so it may be roid-related. Or maybe he is just naturally a man of little brain.
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Omikse Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
@Hal (the original Hal),…Lee Kuan also believes that the aliens will be coming back, doing away with everyone but him, only he will be safe…at other times, he believes he will be eaten by the aliens, because of his superior intelligence, and the rest of us will be enslaved. As you can see, he’s not just another wack-job for Ray, but a true wack-leader for all causes.
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John B. Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
@Omikse,
I was just watching a show on Hollywood’s Most Infamous Murders which featured the murder of Gianni Versace. I suddenly came to the realization we will probably be watching news footage of Lee Kuan holed up in a houseboat in Miami after going on a cross country killing spree. If doesn’t seem that far fetched.
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Omikse Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
@John B.,…it would be a l-o-n-g houseboat ride from Hawaii, but maybe the aliens can beam him over to the mainland…??…
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 2:40 am
@Omikse ::
This brought me much happiness over the weekend.
Even The Kuan has forsaken him now …
– a note for a troll –
Dear DipShit ::
You could have had your little freak out two years ago when Death Ray hired Fabiani …
http://saltydroid.info/mark-fabiani-whoring-blowhole/
Fabiani will have been paid WAY more than Dr. Paul. And what exactly did he do for JAR during this fiasco? It was his job that you were trying to do out here on the webs. And what did you get for it? Nothing. That’s not right. Total setup situation. You DESERVE better.
I think this Fabiani character is someone who could use your brand of public relations. You owe it to him …
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[...] Dawn Sy who was bumped from the state’s witness list due to time constraints. The second was the forensic doctor Ian Paul, who they have been referring to throughout the trial as having found that organo-phosphate [...]
I would like to thank SaltyDroid for providing a place to rationally discuss the trial proceedings. Being form Sedona I have an interest in following what is happening and it is nice to see a forum that is not filed with LK and his 50 plus pen names.
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wondering why Reply:
June 12th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
@John B.,
Yes..Lee Kuan tries to post here but Salty won’t let him..YAY..
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@SD…you are our corporate law person, no? What do you think of this?
Can the defense really get by on these possible jury instructions:
1) James Ray cannot be held responsible, under his fifth amendment rights, for anything he said which led to the deaths of the people.
2) Since the people came to the sweat lodge under the auspices of JRI, Ray cannot be convinced because he is not the corporation and you cannot convict a corporation.
Did they really file that on Friday or is it a joke? I think it was on the JRI website.
Yes, it is true corporations cannot be held responsible that is why they people incorporate…but if that were the case why didn’t the defense team get him off on that in the beginning?
To me it seems really far fetched to go these routes, but it looks like they did. Can the judge allow that b.s.?
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John B. Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
@Linda, I looked all over the news sites and could find nothing about this and they didn’t say anything on the 6:00 news either. If you find anything can you post it? It sounds to me like it is just some of JAR’s spin doctoring.
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White Rabbit Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
@John B.,
You won’t find this on the news. You have to go to the Yavapai County Court Records.
Enjoy your reading.
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docsYAV/Cases/State%20of%20Arizona%20vs%20James%20Arthur%20Ray/06-10-2011%20JURY-PROPOSED%20INSTRUCTIONS.pdf
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docsYAV/Cases/State%20of%20Arizona%20vs%20James%20Arthur%20Ray/06-10-2011%20MISCELLANEOUS-SUPPLEMENT%20TO.pdf
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John B. Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
@White Rabbit, Interesting little read, thank you for posting that. I was especially fascinated by Kelly’s interpretation of the “Free Will” statue. Although I am not an attorney and probably not qualified to comment on it, as I understand the law, it negates the “Nuremberg Defense” in criminal matters. In other words, the way I interpret it, it states that an individual can not claim they were coerced into committing a criminal act here, as a defense, and that the individual had free will to decide to commit or not commit said act. If I recall correctly, the case he cited, was a criminal case whereby the defense of a minor claimed the father had pressured his son into the commission of a violent act. To read the law the way Kelly is implying it should be interpreted is asinine. It would negate anyone from any responsibility. As an example, because I have the free will to cross Scottsdale Road and someone runs a red light and kills me, they are not responsible because it was my choice to cross the street despite the fact I did it with the cross signal. To me it sounds as though they are grasping at straws. I seriously doubt the judge will let that one go to the jury.
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SD Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 3:00 am
So it wasn’t Ted that killed these people :: it was free will. Good to know.
The Judge isn’t going to read that strange and confusing garbage. It’s going to be much more boilerplate and boring.
The 1st Amendment stuff :: and the duty to act :: and the JAR / JRI distinction are all “matters of law” … meaning that they are decided by the Judge rather than by the “trier of fact” … aka the jury. All hopes for those lame arguments died when the Rule 20 motion was denied.
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Yakaru Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 6:36 am
@SD,
Just about every proposed paragraph contains the phrase “you must find Mr Ray not guilty”.
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Charlie Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 5:38 am
@Linda, OMG where have I heard that BS before? At least one other secret movie contributor has used that sort of BS by blaming their company because it was the company people were dealing with not them. Oh please how freakin stupid do people want to look. And as SD has said its up to the judge not them. It does seem to be the most fashionable and most threatening distraction they can find as they realize that despite every squirming effort they really do come across as guilty as hell. They have little else left to do other than scuttle around their rabbit hole to find an excuse for their abominable behavior. It has proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they are and were completely clueless about the stuff they were trying to teach.
“SUCCESS REQUIRES NO APOLOGIES, FAILURE PERMITS NO ALIBIS.” Napoleon Hill
Any attempt to pass off actions as “the company – not me” is a cop out to every other NORMAL person who operates their business honestly and ethically. No apologies offered and no alibis required thanks.
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Oh, sorry I meant First Amendment, not Fifth…
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@White Rabbit @John, et al…thanks for locating and sharing those defense instructions. When you think about how absurd the idea is of a corporation not being held responsible, how do you explain the millions people often get in bad product cases which result in death or disability for people? And on the First Amendment(freedom of speech) issue and freedom of choice issues, it would seem to me that it could be “false advertising.” Isn’t that also why when you see a new drug advertised it tells you all the wonderful things it does and then follows up with a long, long list of possible side effects, hoping all the time that you just won’t listen to that “technical” stuff. So if you take the drug you are responsible.
What they are saying is under the First Amendment and under limited responsibility of corporations is we basically can have a free for all society with anyone promising anyone anything and treating them any way they wish and not having to face up to the consequences of their actions. So if I promise some formula will take away wrinkles and it causes my skin to fall off, that’s my own fault. They have a right to say anything they want about a product and the company cannot be sued if I suffered or died? I made the choice, dumb as it may have been, so it’s my problem.
And with money paid for his seminars to JRI, doesn’t JR have to make an accounting for what he has done with it? Isn’t he incorrect if he used it for his own benefit?
I hope if the judge does decide to read those instructions to the jury, he allows for a reasonable counter argument from the prosecution. Hopefully, he will just tell them they are nuts if they think he will read those instructions. Is it that the law firm is really a bunch of stupids or do they think everyone else is? Geez, to think they are coming back to California after all of this is over and I live in this state….ugh.
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John B. Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 11:49 am
@Linda, You can have em back, personally I look forward to when they leave my state :-)
It seems as though they are really pushing the corporation vs individual issue. Yes, in AZ at least, when you form a corporation or an LLC you are not personally responsible in a civil suit for damages occurred by another individual or business.
If I agree to produce a web site and print advertising for a client, as an example. The client is the hottest new club opening in Scottsdale and they are depending upon me to get everything done, including print, radio and TV media for their opening party. I fail to meet the deadlines and their opening night is a bust with only three people attending and they suffer a huge financial loss. They can not sue me personally but they can sue my LLC so my condo and my car are still safe but all my equipment and resources held by the LLC can be taken. I am not financially responsible for any losses incurred by the client, only my LLC is.
However, if I give a school tour of my print shop and tell the kids on the tour to stick their hands in the barrel presses, that they will feel as though their hand is being crushed but it is not and to push it to the limits, and they do and half of them lose their hand, who is responsible? I am of course as well as my LLC. Why? because i acted as an agent of my company and was negligent in telling them to do something so foolish. I arranged the school tour and developed the program and even though I had my staff on hand to guide the kids and explain things to them, I was the moron who told them to do something dangerous.
There is no way the judge can allow that type of instruction. Thanks
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White Rabbit Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@John B.,
Then hopefully this will give the instruction the jury needs.
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docsyav/Cases/State%20of%20Arizona%20vs%20James%20Arthur%20Ray/06-13-2011%20JURY-PROPOSED%20INSTRUCTIONS-AMENDED.pdf
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Well, Old Trolls don’t give up easily, no matter how disillusioned they may seem. LK is still posting: http://online.wsj.com/article/APf4a2de080e074aaf90690dd745535351.html#articleTabs%3Dcomments
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Omikse Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
@Jean D,…’Sandra Delagos’,…Really??… I notice ‘she’ posted the same message as Lee Kuan did while he posed as Jason Daro over at CBS…I wonder if LK is skipping his meds again???
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John B. Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
@Omikse, He is also Frances Delagos, Mateus Delagos and Genaro Delagos. I would like to know where he gets these names from, people he knows? I did find out there are three people in the US named Jason Daro, none of whom are located in HI, but I am sure they would be interested in knowing how LK spews forth his idiocies in their names.
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Detached Observer Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
@John B.,
He is getting those names from the Carlos Castaneda books. Don Genaro and Don Juan Matus were Carlos’ teachers in the books. Of course James Ray gets a lot of his teachings and verbiage from those books. In other words he is just pulling them out of nowhere and using them as thinly veiled references.
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Jean D Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
@Detached Observer, @Omikse @John B James Ray quoting Carlos Castaneda is truly a fake copying a fake. Reminds me of the fake paneling my late Grandma had in her dining room. Paneling is already faux wood, but the stuff she had on her walls had “wood lines” imaged on to the weird plasticky material!
Last night I watched Steve Martin again in “Leap of Faith” on an old VHS tape. It’s so obvious Ray copied his gestures,voice inflections,and phrases straight from stage preachers; the guys I got tired of hearing/seeing while growing up and eventually rebelled against. To the contrary, I suppose little Jimmy Ray decided,”If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” .
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Omikse Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
@John B.,…so many different aliases, in one posting, he refered to himself as ‘Crazy Horse’ and likened his quest for his peoples freedom to the movie Avatar, then began the ‘copy & paste’ experience in posting that only Lee Kuan can do.
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Linda Reply:
June 15th, 2011 at 9:09 am
@Omikse, so is s/he a true multiple personality? (what they call dissociative disorder nowadays) or just a bored nutso? and what is his/her real, real name? does s/he live in a mental institution or is s/he in prison? Maybe s/he is really JAR….
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Omikse Reply:
June 15th, 2011 at 9:35 am
@Linda,…I don’t think MPD, nor do I believe he is confined by 4 walls with a locked door, I don’t know about medication, maybe he just needs more. He has stated in the past that he is an Army veteran with a mental disability. He also believes himself to be a martial arts master, and a song writer/musician. He uses many, many names on the internet, but ‘copies & pastes’ all his rantings under male and female names, but it is the name Lee Kuan he uses most of all. States he has an ex-wife and maybe a son, but the aliens won’t be eating her brain, she is not alien worthy. He has admitted to being detained for threatening, and there were pictures of him with swords in a park where he was asked to leave. He isn’t a stable person, but I don’t think MPD plays a role.
Hippo Reply:
June 15th, 2011 at 7:59 am
@Jean D,
Damn. I was hoping that all the deletions meant that the aliens really HAD come for him.
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Omikse Reply:
June 15th, 2011 at 8:35 am
@Hippo,…well, if the aliens are coming for him, to ‘eat his brain’ due to his superior intelligence as he claims,…they must just want a snack, for they surely will not be having a feast.
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Just uploaded, Sheila Polk (sounds like her calm reasoned tone, letting the facts speak for themselves) gives this summary of exactly why the defense’s toxins bollocks is bollocks.
“In addition, Dr Paul testified whatever toxin might have been in the sweat lodge would not have been airborne, but would have had direct contact with the skin or the faces of the participants as his explanation as to why all of the participants had not suffered distress. This testimony eliminates any claim that treated wood or something on the rocks might have been a source of a toxin, since the wood was never in the sweat lodge and the only participant to come into contact with the rocks was Lou Caci who suffered burns, not toxic poisoning. This leaves the dirt and the coverings as possible sources for the unidentified toxins, Mr Mercer testified he saw rat poison poison stored with the coverings; however, Dr Dickson testified that rat poisons would not cause the symptoms experienced by the victims. Essentially the dirt remains as a possible source. Dawn Gordon testified she remained close to the ground to escape the heat and that she was right next to Kirby Brown and James Shore and was fine.”
Well done again Dr Paul. A fine start to your fake consultancy career.
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docsYAV/Cases/State%20of%20Arizona%20vs%20James%20Arthur%20Ray/06-13-2011%20RESPONSE.pdf
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Omikse Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
@Yakaru,…a big thumbs up for Sheila Polk…as for Dr. Paul,take the money and stay in California.
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Yakaru Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
@Omikse,
Yeh, I don’t know if psychopaths can have nightmares, but if so, she will be in Death Ray will be having them about her for the rest of his life — regardless of the final outcome.
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Omikse Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
@Yakaru,…I believe that one nightmare for Ray may be one in which he is not as special as he believes he is, a kind of “wake-up call” of a nightmare. In prison, he won’t be special, he’ll just be a number…….
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CNN will be streaming the closing arguments live again tomorrow! It should start around 9:30 am Arizona time (PDT). Maybe a little later, if they don’t show the final trial proceedings as the defense rests.
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What I don’t understand is why are they making it so freaking complicated? It is so simple — people were in trouble, Ray knew it and denied them help. He was the one in charge so he is the one responsible.
Salty, from what I read they are talking like it is the most complicated legal case ever argued. That confounds me.
Like Judge Darrow said during his rule 20 ruling “Ray had a duty to the decedents”. Period.
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As Kelly drones on, and on, and on it’s increasingly clear his “legal strategy” is to keep throwing S_ _T against the wall and hoping that something, anything will stick now or on appeals. Let’s hope his plan continues to fail. Do looks like she’s tired of this crappy case and wants to get this case over with.
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I can hear in Darrow’s voice that he is really irritated with this crap. Why does it seem like anytime that DT gets up there they act like no one else in that courtroom has any brains and it is their responsibility to inform them of all the things they don’t “get”. I am surprised they are not ending their sentences with “Correct?”. So where does this sit now? Forever in a black hole with no resolution? Maybe they should just call the whole thing off and then let the street vigilantes take care of him or do a Hammurabi on him…make him attend a vision quest and a sweat lodge without a chance to get out of it. Please don’t send him and his defense team back to my state. We are not all idiots and narcissists…then again, I’m not a native from here, so I can’t speak for the rest of the residents.
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It was once again a pleasure to watch Sheila Polk, this time in closing arguments. Shame on CNN for committing a default and promise to those of us who were intent on watching the trial.
Again, prior to Ms Polk, the same tired, haggard defense team fumbling with the first amendment and claiming the state had no case.
Li, completely without discretion, and driven by retirement funds, could not restrain himself long enough to allow Ms Polk to complete her closing arguments. I hope she grants him the same.
And then to the visuals of James Arthur Ray, completely disasociated with both his emotions and his trial he appears sub-human.
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I thought Miss Polk did a great job. The plutonium [[salty that was yours if I am not mistaken]] comment was brilliant [[it really nailed [[wood you not agree]] home the idiocy of the defense]].
I think the playing of the audio, really brought “humanity” to the case [[pictures are okay, but audio is better, it allows the jury to make that person one of their own family]]. Good luck to the defense trying to spin the jury with their “magical” organo-phosphates.
Not sure what happened to the feed during a most critical time, but damn, CNN knows how to create drama [[seriously guys, stop falling asleep at the audio]]. I wonder if they didn’t kill the feed on purpose to make it a news item tonight [[exclusively on CNN]].
Did anyone happen to capture the stream from beginning of closing?
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WOW!!!! Lee Kuan is at it again and I just learned form him that my entire state is going to be devastated by other Nature and Alien Forces unless the jury comes back with an acquittal. According to our beloved friend, the “freak earthquake” which hit Sedona and areas in High Country and the Mogollon Rim was God’s warning that the trial should not continue. (I guess this one happened to be a freak one and has nothing to do with the fact we are located between two major fault lines, one in CA and one in Mexico and we have had recorded earthquakes since 1821.) Now, as the trial nears its end, Mother Nature has decided to devastate Arizona with wild fires and 90% of the population will be destroyed if JAR is found guilty. (I wonder about the fires in New Mexico, perhaps Mother Nature forgot to wear her glasses when she started those? Of course these wild fires have nothing to do with the fact it is the dry season and we have wild fires in AZ every year.) Next, those of us who survive the wild fires, we will be doomed to perish in volcanic eruptions. While we do have 23 volcanoes in Arizona, only two are active, one of which is a very young volcano and has never erupted and the other of which, Sunset Crater, has not erupted for over 1000 years and is considered by most geologists to be dormant or even inactive. Finally, what ever is left of my home state will be destroyed by hurricanes and tsumanis. I hope I survive the previous plagues to see this. It will definitely be an interesting feat of nature, being we are land locked by Mexico, CA, NM, CO and NV and have no coast line. That is going to be one major hurricane and/or tsunami to makes its way across 400 miles of California to wipe out what is left of us. Oh please Judge Darrow, don’t let the jury convict Death Ray, I don’t want to be burned in a wild fire, have my bones disintegrated by a volcanic eruption and then my ashes become flotsam on the sea as they are swept away in the very first tsunami or hurricane to hit AZ. I beg you please do not let this happen. Lee Kuan has spoken his warning ala Moses to let his people go. He knows too because of his direct links to God, Mother Nature and the Alien life forms who give him his astute wisdom and guidance.,
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Omikse Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 9:59 am
@John B.,…Ahhhh…there is nothing as invigorating as a Lee Kuan prediction in the morning! You can smell the B.S. in the air!
Seriously though, you need to buy up the ‘future’ ocean front property in Arizona quickly, do your part by helping to turn around the economy and the real estate market!! Awesome!!
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John B. Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 10:06 am
@Omikse, I have already contacted my attorney and real estate broker to buy up as much of the land in Flagstaff as I can. By my reckoning, at 7,500 foot elevation, the tsunamis and hurricanes can’t do too much damage. Of course, the Flagstaff area is where the majority of our volcanoes are so there may be nothing left before the tidal waves hit. I just have to keep telling myself to, “play full on because its a good day to die.”
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Omikse Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 10:27 am
@John B.,…where do I need to go to reserve my festival seating for the Big Events?…(Pssst, save me a seat, okay??)
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John B. Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@Omikse, Tickets are $10k a piece and you can make your checks payable to Catastrophic Arizonan State-wide Holocaust or CASH for short. BTW you WILL need to sign a liability waiver before attending and there are no refunds.
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Omikse Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
@John B.,…okay, the check is in the mail…send me the waiver!!!(wink-wink, nudge-nudge)…*C*A*S*H*…LOL, Great!!!
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
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White Rabbit Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
@jen m,
Perhaps you should do a little more research on this topic. Perhaps you should ask the familes of the deceased how they feel about the case the prosecution presented. I think they have a very different viewpoint than yours. Why is that? They are far more informed than you are.
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SD Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
@jen m ::
Really? Then maybe don’t type s-a-l-t-y-d-r-o-i-d-.-i-n-f-o into your browser … cause it’ll pretty much always end badly for your precious sensitivities.
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John B. Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 3:02 am
@jen m, Yeah? Wel I am sick of ignorant morons who keep making crude and disparaging remarks about my home state! If JAR does get acquitted on a mistrial, please do us all a favor and go to his next sweat lodge. Maybe you will learn something about not judging an entire population, unless you’re too narrow minded for even that. Give my regards to Edith, Michael and Gloria!
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John B. Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 3:03 am
@jen m, Yeah? Well I am sick of ignorant morons who keep making crude and disparaging remarks about my home state! If JAR does get acquitted on a mistrial, please do us all a favor and go to his next sweat lodge. Maybe you will learn something about not judging an entire population, unless you’re too narrow minded for even that. Give my regards to Edith, Michael and Gloria!
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Yakaru Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 4:04 am
@jen m,
“I am so sick of hearing all the crude remarks about the defense.” What, like “I’m friggen in love with the breunett Asian”? Yes, I found that pretty disgusting too.
The state has done nothing wrong. Your stupid hero would be up on 7 or 8 charges of reckless manslaughter if his followers and a couple of staff members hadn’t acted quickly. As well as saving lives, they saved Death Ray’s lazy flaccid ass too. He’d be looking at 80 or 90 years in prison if it weren’t for them. Did he ever thank them? No. Instead he has attacked them and tried to humiliate them in court for not saving more lives.
But you don’t like crude remarks about it.
WINNER!! ::
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Lily Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 8:19 am
@jen m, Then it really sucks to be you cuz you ain’t seen nothing yet. This trial will not last forever, and when it’s over, and the families may speak freely once again, we will be yelling from the rooftops. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
And for the record, as a proud citizen of Arizona, I could not be more grateful nor more proud of the good people of Yavapai County… from the heroes on scene and first responders who made sure more people didn’t suffer and/or die, to Detective Diskin and the Yavapai County Sheriff’s Office who dedicated untold hours to finding the truth, to Sheila Polk and her team who have so patiently and honorably fought for justice against the dirty slimy tricks of James Ray’s despicable defense team.
So when the day of reckoning arrives, if you need to protect your pathetic sensibilities from the ugly truth, I strongly suggest you remember my name and avoid my public comments. You won’t like it, I guaran-damn-tee it.
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John B. Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 9:28 am
@Lily, Bravo, well said! Thank You from a fellow Zonie
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Lily Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 10:35 am
@John B., You’re welcome. It’s an honor and privilege to stand up for our great state and the people who make it so.
Thank you and all here — especially the Droid — who have continued to fight the good fight.
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wondering why Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
@Lily,
All I have to say is “Thank God for the State of Arizona!!!” Calfornia did NOTHING for or about Colleen Connelly’s death at the hands of JAR..And I iive in California..
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Linda Em Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
@wondering why, @Lily….yeah, as another Californian, it sickens me to see how much our “elite” get away with legally. And yes, they should re open Colleen Conaway’s “suicide”. She was a real person too, whose family and friends have suffered a terrible loss. I sometimes wonder if he didn’t give her some separate NLP to get her to jump to show his Wealth Seekers how homeless people are ignored and devalued. It wouldn’t surprise me since his thinking is so warped. What he should have done was come to the front and say, “I’m sorry. This was never intended.” And then he should have given her family her money back, contacted them with an offer of help and started to explore if maybe, just maybe, he was crossing over some line of morality and decency. I still think of him as being like the Nazis.
wondering why Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
@wondering why, Oops yes..I meant Colleen Conaway..( I know that did not look right)
anon Reply:
October 9th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
@wondering why, As an observer, I think that is absolutely disgusting!
Golly gee whiz this has been a long painful ride watching all of this unfold. So thankful to SD and Celestial Reflections for keeping us semi-sane and allowing us to eat meat to keep us grounded and all. I will be glad when this is over and all we hear about is the stupid appeals that will go nowhere and will not be live streamed. On a happier note, it has been fun reading all the comments and posts and I now have a new group of cyber BFF’s! Hopefully, next week at this time we will be celebrating the guilty verdict and watch the implosion of the other self help guru’s who have been so very busy taking advantage of peeps. To the victim’s families, we will not forget Kirby, Liz, James and Colleen. Peace to all!
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John B. Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@ChrissyLincoln, “I will be glad when this is over and all we hear about is the stupid appeals that will go nowhere and will not be live streamed. ”
Don’t worry, Lee Kuan will keep it alive in cyber space and the memories of anyone who has a computer for the rest of his days…..snark, snark, snark
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