Mmmm Whatcha Say … James Ray
CNN is pulling its coverage of the James Arthur Ray trial :: probably because Luis Li is so horrible to watch. It is said that the sound of his droning :: arrogant :: little voice can cause diarrhea :: foaming at the mouth :: and dilated pupils. It’s not true :: but it is said :: so let’s talk about it for a couple of hours … Luis Li style!
But seriously … CNN is joke.
I know you people are complaining to them. Good idea :: let um have it!
But also :: they were using a satellite van to pump the court’s feed out to the web. That’s massively expensive.
The court could pump out it’s own feed for almost no cost :: if they only would. Then lots of media outlets {and fake robots} could access the feed and redistribute it :: without needing to travel to BFE :: or brave the killer ants. But sometimes courts don’t know about using Internets. You may want to remind them {nicely} that they should learn … because the nation’s media outlets are nothing but rotting suckholes.
Meanwhile … I can haz make own videos!
>> bleep bloop
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:: read one now before you die of stupid.
So disgusted that CNN has pulled this trial. Looks like the locals don’t want the publicity. Love your “whatcha say” video – on point!
I did need a vacation from Li, but this is ridiculous.
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Omikse Reply:
May 27th, 2011 at 6:03 am
@renatae, …remember, back in the early 80′s, when CNN began…the big 3 network news companies joked that the logo, “CNN” stood for…”Chicken Noodle News”…could be they were on to something…”Cock-a-doodle-do, but CNN don’t!!!”
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White Rabbit Reply:
May 27th, 2011 at 8:57 am
@Omikse,
Keep the pressure up on CNN….daily. Maybe they didn’t want to gear up just before the holiday weekend, however once this weekend is over they need to get back on track.
Comparing this trial to Casey Anthony, which they seem enamored of, how many people did Casey directly affect? How many seminars did she give, how many books did she write, how many movies was she in, how many interviews did she do, how many people did she kill, how many people did she hurt on any level….???? There are a lot of people out there who really need to follow this to assist with their own healing.
Maybe CNN needs some Ritalin so they can focus.
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Anonymous Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 3:22 pm
@renatae, I AM a local. I’ve been living in Camp Verde for almost five years now, and I miss watching the case as much as you do.
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taunting, haunting and captivating.
I hang on to every word you say droid,
that video was amazing….
in a HOLY SHIT look whats going on around
the world, kind of way.
I have always been glad you stand against this injustice.
And I will stand with you.
POWER to the PEOPLE (and fake robots)
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Basically the defense is still running around saying “It was Ted”, aren’t they.
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This is superb. You are officially the Renaissance Robot.
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Next day updates can be read at the Prescott Daily Courier. Current testimony is from seminar particpants, one of whom also attended in 2008, with new details.
http://prescottaz.com/
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SD Reply:
May 27th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
@nancy ::
The Prescott Daily Courier could also publish the feed … it wouldn’t be hard … but it would be popular.
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nancy Reply:
May 27th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
@SD, That would be awesome! I’ve watched most of the trial starting with Beverly Bunn and have loved your updates, as well as LaVaughn’s. A shame to lose touch with it all now, though I suspect this planned vacation was an early cornerstone of the defense strategy when they first sat down together. Sounds like we’re missing pretty great testimony, too. They are hoping at best for jury attrition, losing by now public attention to another major trial, and one delay after another. I hope Judge Darrow imposes time limitations on questioning, if possible.
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Bethann Reply:
May 28th, 2011 at 9:10 am
@nancy,
Thanks Nancy …
Trial does not resume until next Wednesday, state expects to complete it’s case next week. Defense plans to file motions for acquittal claiming the state does not have any evidence against their client.
I’ve sent emails to both CNN and esurance.
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wondering why Reply:
May 28th, 2011 at 9:28 am
@Bethann, I just read that also that the defense is filing a motion for an acquittal. Will the judge decide on this? Shouldn’t it be able to continue on to jury deliberations? I sure wish the judge on the Casey Anthony trail was the judge on Ray’s case..He is awesome and has TOTAL control of his courtroom.It is refreshing to watch.
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wondering why Reply:
May 28th, 2011 at 9:29 am
@wondering why, I meant trial not trail.
Bethann Reply:
May 28th, 2011 at 10:22 am
@wondering why,
The defense has filed between 5-7 mistrials in this case and thus far Judge Darrow has refused to declare a mistrial. I highly doubt Judge Darrow will rule in favor of the defense on acquittal.
I listened to Judge Belvin Perry during jury selection on the CA trial and agree he owns his courtroom, suffers no nonsense from either the defense and prosecution.
wondering why Reply:
May 27th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
@nancy, Thanks for that link, at least we have some idea of who is testifying each day..
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Great video! That Lady Gaga song works so well, and the clips you chose to piece together are phenomenal [[they convey the story brilliantly]].
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Ryan Healy Reply:
May 27th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
@_cartman_, I might be missing the sarcasm here (if so, forgive me), but the song is “Hide and Seek” by Imogen Heap from her album “Speak for Yourself.” She’s a brilliant musician.
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_cartman_ Reply:
May 27th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
@Ryan Healy,
hahahaha…nope, no sarcasm…I’m just an idiot..
I had to look up the lyrics because I couldn’t understand some of the words, and the site attributed the song to Lady Gaga…thanks for clearing that up.
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SD Reply:
May 27th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
@Ryan Healy ::
Yes … not Lady Gaga.
I’m very happy to report that I have never listened to a Lady Gaga song … not even once. Thank you digital age!!
Imogen Heap :: on the other hand :: me likes.
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THANK YOU DROID…… I don’t remember the last time I actually sat down and cried….you made me cry today……john
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SD Reply:
May 27th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
@Colleen’s brother-in-law ::
You’re welcome John :: or I’m sorry :: whichever is most applicable …
:)
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Have continued to post requests with CNN to return live feed of the James Ray Sweatlodge Trial. But this does prevent sending prayers and love to the witnesses, the families of the Liz, James, Kirby, and Colleen, the Prosecutor, and the Court. May justice be done.
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LOL! This is your BEST ever, SD!! Thx!
Ok, let’s all keep emailing CNN… Where there’s a will there’s a way! :)
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Anyone having trouble with their requests going thru to CNN? I hope it’s because so many of us are telling them we want this trial back on.
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@SD on whatcha say James Ray? Great piece. Says it all in a very short video. Can Death Ray really name one Jew who felt that the Holocaust was not a bad thing? It’s like him having someone say that the people who died were having so much fun they didn’t want to come back to their bodies. The man is even more warped than I thought. But then it’s no surprise he cooked the people…that was Hitler’s way of destroying people too. Difference was they were called “ovens”, not sweat lodges and Hitler did not make them pay for the privilege. I can’t believe ANYONE who ever heard him say this would follow him as a leader. Then saying he was God, even if it was for a “game”. He has disgraced every spiritual belief that he stole ideas from. And that obsession with death. If he’s so into death why doesn’t he just agree to get the death penalty for what he did?
Even if he started out as someone who wanted to help people, some kind of switch got flipped inside his head and turned him into an Evil Satanic Money and Power Hungry excuse for a human being. If we reincarnate to workout our karmic debts he is sure doing to have a horrible next life. But in this one we should at least keep him away from people.
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SD Reply:
May 27th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
@Linda ::
Death Ray can cite a Jew in support of the Holocaust in the same way he can cite a Lakota in support of his hellacious hot “lodge.”
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Linda Reply:
May 29th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@SD, “Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.”
— Adolf Hitler
I wonder if Death Ray’s challenges were from the same intent as Hitler: destroy the weak…that way only the strong will survive.
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Really great video! Hopefully someone’s efforts will pay off and there will be some type of feed coming from that courtroom soon. I’m not entirely sure Li’s voice doesn’t cause the symptoms described and I definitely haven’t missed it, but it’s important to shine as much light as possible on this madman’s trial.
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Thank you Salty, great job on the new video…you continue to show the world the REAL James Arthur Ray!
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I can’t help but think there is some funny business going on over at CNN. At first the In Session coverage seemed fair enough and quite interested in the case. Then suddenly Ray’s perp picture is pulled and replaced by his Guru Picture. At the same time the coverage became biased for Ray and they started fading the coverage out altogether. Believe me Ray doesn’t have the power (money) to pull this all off on his own. This is more of an Oprah-sized thing.
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LaVaughn Reply:
May 28th, 2011 at 6:41 am
@jamo, I never thought it seemed fair. I thought In Session sounded biased as hell from day one. I called out Sunny Hostin as a “breathless star-fucker” on day 1. I stand by that assessment. From the outset the narrative has been: The State brought the wrong charges. This was at best negligent homicide but really an entirely civil matter for the families to work out. The State will never make its burden. The defense attorneys are all ruddy brilliant. Look there’s Truc Do! She prosecuted Phil Spector! She’s awesome and doesn’t sound at all like a thirteen year old valley girl. James Ray is way charismatic. Have some more endless footage of him screaming and sweating. Jurors will love this guy. Will they put him on the stand? After Beverly Bunn testified, that changed to, Well, the defense will clearly have to instruct the jury that they don’t actually have to like the defendant to find him not guilty. And the worse this case has looked for James Ray, the less footage they’ve shown. If I had access to the giant easel in that court room I could probably whip up a pretty decent flow chart proving the inverse relationship between the strengthening of the prosecution’s case and the amount of footage shown. It would be way better and more convincing that anything Tom Kelly has ever scrawled. And after the Brady violation failed to get a mistrial and get In Session off the hook, their coverage of this trial went into a free-fall.
Now it’s all Casey Anthony all the time. They have no excuse because the Michael Jackson thingo was continued until fall and they clearly would have had the resources to run at least both of those trials if they’d been simultaneous… as planned. They chose to dump this trial and cover every boring, inconsequential moment of a trial the outcome of which is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Seriously. I don’t know why they don’t just stick the needle in her arm right now and save Florida tax-payers a few bucks. No way Casey Anthony needs that much coverage. Talk about a lack of suspense. But it’s safe. No moral ambiguity there. And at least CNN has no dog in this fight. They didn’t help turn her into a star before she whacked her own child. Nope. The media has no culpability in the death of poor, little Caylee Anthony. So they can run that footage to their heart’s content.
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Stoic Reply:
May 29th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@LaVaughn,
I think that there are a lot of entities that owe their continued bottom-line solely to the manipulation of information for public consumption that just don’t want that same public thinking too hard about the mechanics of mass manipulation and the massaging of news stories and advertising spin.
Start introducing some moral ambiguity and it kinda pulls the rug from all the expensive hype that the whole strata of the ‘communications’ industry relies upon.
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LaVaughn Reply:
May 29th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
@Stoic, Something I’ve been thinking about more and more, Stoic. You’re exactly right, in my opinion. It’s an absolute fact that more in depth and challenging journalism is the harder it is to find advertisers. If you challenge the status quo, you pretty much have to depend on liquor ads because they know addiction will always sell. But most advertisers don’t want their ads near anything too thinky.
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White Rabbit Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 7:38 pm
@LaVaughn,
So…what does that say about esurance.com who was advertising on the CNN live feed? Or, in light of the circumstances of the trial, was it a sick joke?
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LaVaughn Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 8:17 pm
@White Rabbit, ROFLMAO! I guess it would make sense for any insurance company to advertise on CNNLIve. So much of it is trials and weather disasters. It can definitely leave you feeling a little insecure about the unexpected hazards of life.
2Tired2 Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 6:19 pm
@LaVaughn,
Hey..!
WHY is everybody having a such a hard time seeing this?
JAR and his band of press has shut down the presses ~ think about who his friends are: Oprah, Ted Turner & a host of others CONNECTED with the media. Print, TV and many parts of the internet. I do not understand why this is such a big mystery.
There IS no MYSTERY…”they” control the press. Period.
Love your blogs, btw…keep up the great work…:-)
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SD Reply:
May 28th, 2011 at 11:45 am
@jamo ::
For shizzle! And that statement applies to this whole giant mess … no one could do this alone … everyone on the team needs everyone else on the team.
@LaVaughn ::
Good points {about JAR … I have no opinion about the other thing}.
CNN’s leaving is not an accident … unlike the sweat lodge deaths …
http://saltydroid.info/cnns-suck-ruled-accidental/
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Wow. Here I am, a grown man, with tears rolling down my cheeks. That video is moving.
Thank you for your courage in standing up for what you believe in, and exercising your First Amendment Right to speak the truth as you see it.
Bill
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SD Reply:
May 28th, 2011 at 11:56 am
@Bill ::
If you cried then I won … I think that’s how it works …
… or something.
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@Bethann You said exactly what I was thinking. In catching the news I noticed how Judge Belvin Perry does not take any intimidation or b.s. from anyone in his courtroom. He is one tough cookie and I wondered if the James Ray trial would have dragged out this long if Judge Perry was in charge. He would have no patience with all these stupid delays by the DT or the constant repetition, especially by Truc Do. What amazes me in both of these trials and in others too well known to mention how it’s necessary for the defense to make the witnesses look like criminals to get the person off. It seem that if you are not guilty you don’t have to throw everyone else under the bus.
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SD Reply:
May 28th, 2011 at 11:54 am
@Linda ::
In defense of Judge Darrow though …
1. It’s mega-money fire power being thrown at this case. Unless something changes … the appeals will also be backed by mega-monies. That calls for extreme caution from the State and the Court.
2. The “mommy kills baby” situation is a pretty run-of-the-mill criminal trial … with hundreds and hundreds of cases on point. That lends itself to procedural decisiveness in a way that the JAR trial does not.
Still … I hear what y’all are saying.
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Hippo Reply:
May 29th, 2011 at 9:27 am
@SD,
Mr. Salty, do you know where all the money is coming from for this defense?
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[...] get some details of what has been going on, here is a Death Ray musical interlude put together by Salty Droid. Check out his You Tube channel for [...]
Update from Friday’s trial. Posted on Facebook by Wyla Green via family member attending the trial who gave permission to post. Link is below, but I’ll ask her if it’s ok to post the text here. Quite a different perspective from the Prescott article (why am I not surprised?).
https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=143363792364590&topic=325
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SD, please remove my last post as I needed to make sure it was okay first, thx!
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SD Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@Kalista7 ::
Sorry Charlie … that’s not really how I roll.
And comments are distributed by email and RSS the instant they post :: so it’s not really possible to delete them anyway.
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SD – nice work. the destruction left in the wake of James’s death extends all the way to the End Days. As you know, I am not permitted to comment on nor follow the trial. So I haven’t been. But I also haven’t been called to testify yet. I miss my brother. I miss my brother. I miss my brother.
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Colleen's sister Reply:
May 30th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
@Enoch_Root, I cam Colleen Conaway’s sister and my heart goes out to you as I know full well how you are feeling. Please feel free to contact Salty and get my email address if you ever want to talk. You are not alone…
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SD Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 12:16 pm
@Enoch_Root ::
It’s too bad you can’t follow the trial coverage :: you prolly missed finding out about how much @JamesARay “friggen loves the brunette asian” … and other totally normal stuffs like that.
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If CNN fails to continue coverage of the trial, I wonder if that might affect whether a court would be inclined to grant them access to other trials in the future.
When CNN argued for access, they said the public had substantial rights to know about the activities in the courtroom. Evidently, CNN now deems our right to watch the national weather map loop as more substantial.
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Death Ray’s latest tweet:
James Arthur Ray
Always meditate on that which provokes anger and resentment. Lots can be learned about yourself.
4 hours ago via Ping.fm
Tweets from Hootsuite seem to by done by his subs, those from Ping seem to be done personally on the spur of the moment.
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Some Effing Secret Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@Yakaru,
Hey, James – meditate on THIS! (well, you need to see the accompanying gesture, but you hopefully get the point).
Joni
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Babzilicious Reply:
June 5th, 2011 at 10:44 am
@Yakaru,
I canNOT believe this POS is still Tweeting. Then again, his ego is so out of control, I can believe it. Nauseating.
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Yakaru Reply:
June 5th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@Babzilicious,
I think he’s doing it for two reasons: 1) it’s a strategy to show that he’s a sincere spiritual teacher, 2) so that if he gets let off, he can point to the fact that the he kept tweeting as a sign of his “resilience”, and 3)because he’s so used to blabbering that he couldn’t stop if he wanted to.
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LaVaughn Reply:
June 5th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
@Yakaru, I think it’s simpler than that. He’s pitching product. Most of his tweets are quotes from his books. There are other random quotes and platitudes, mostly in keeping with his overall “message.” He’s just trying to keep his career afloat and some income coming in… except when he’s flirting with a certain “bruenett asian,” of course. He doesn’t have many avenues available to market himself and I guarantee you he needs the money. And I’m sure he hopes to be exonerated and able to return to his career.
The thing is, whether or not he’s convicted, he’ll never be able to get back to where he was, let alone surpass it. What hotel would have him? Look at what happened to Angel Valley. What facilities are going to expose themselves to that kind of liability? Even if he gets off, he’s very damaged goods. He’ll always have his hangers on but his big dream of being a multimillionaire guru? Fuggetaboutit.
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Stoic Reply:
June 6th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
@LaVaughn,
I think whatever happens Deathray will stay in business–he will probably get religion as a reformed sinner, that is always good for a sob story with forgiveness guaranteed.
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Did James Ray have an upper lip enhancement?! He sure seems to be sporting a Hollywood “Trout Pout” in this pic. His skin looks like he had a facial peel or something. It wouldn’t be out of character if he spent his time off at a spa or in a cosmetic surgeon’s chair, he’s just that narcissistic. http://verdenews.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=42162
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Babzilicious Reply:
June 5th, 2011 at 10:46 am
@Jean D,
Hard to believe I ever found him attractive. I look at him now and just … blech!
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Jean D Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
@Babzilicious, Yes, it happens to the best of us. I once fell for a guy because I found his art works interesting. It didn’t take long to realize he was a closeted sadistic gay man and in retrospect, I realize even the paintings I once found intriguing clearly revealed his true nature; lots of nude male forms woven into a macabre setting of despair. Yet, I wanted to believe he had something I needed,just as some believed that about james ray.
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That was an awesome video Salty, it made it all hit home, thanks. What is beyond belief is that James Arthur Ray is so self centered that he will not take responsibility for what he caused. This trial is a joke because its all about trying to get him off the charges. I’d like to know WHY? Why does he feel he should get off the charges? Why does he think he can use the money he got from all these people to defend himself against their accusations? What is Gods good name does he think he has the right to after the soul purpose of the events in the first place was to fund his lifestyle? As always the law is very confusing and none of it makes COMMON sense.
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Okay Campers,
Now that Memorial Day is over, CNN has a day to get their butts back out to Yavapai County. Do not forget to do your daily input to encourage them to continue covering the James Ray trial.
To make it easy for you, here is the link:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form9d.html
When asked what your issue is scroll down to Live Video.
If you want to continue watching this trial, keep the pressure on.
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Omikse Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 8:17 am
@White Rabbit,…..I have emailed ‘Chicken-Noodle-News’ many, many times over this weekend….I haven’t heard back, and I don’t expect to. I hope they continue the live feed, if they are going to begin something, they need to see it through to it’s conclusion. They don’t give us credit for having a longer attention span than they believe we have. That being said, one excuse they used in the past was the Conrad Murry trial, and the Casey Anthony trial as competing with the Ray trial. That doesn’t seem to be the case now with the Murry trial being postponed to a later time. Let’s hope they do the right thing for us, the viewers.
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White Rabbit Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 10:10 am
@Omikse,
CNN was hot to get into the courtroom. Then they were hot to fade away. I guess they didn’t factor in how many people were negatively affected by James, nor how long their attention spans can be. They are good at “sound bite news” but can they go the distance with something that runs far deeper and is more complex?
When you think back to October 2009 the weekend this story broke, it was suddenly usurped by The Balloon Boy Incident. Does this speak about us as news consumers…or rather the media outlets that feed us this pap?
If they feel discomfort because James was someone they used to promote and the shine is off the boy, perhaps they need to look more closely at this to see how and why he got tarnished. How many other tarnished individuals have they promoted and reported on in the past? If they are a legitimate news outlet, they need to acknowledge that they were also misled. If not, they have lost all credibility in my eyes and I no longer will consider them a news source to even consider.
Didn’t their parents ever insist that they finish what they started?
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Unicorn Army Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 11:18 am
@White Rabbit, if they were turning a profit on the trial coverage it would continue. CNN has gone to their current model (cover one story pretty much around the clock) because it makes money. If they could get Fareed Zakaria to talk about Casey Anthony, they would.
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SD Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 11:58 am
@Unicorn Army ::
Ha! I’d watch that shit for sure … just do it Fareed … you know you wanna. Talking smart about smart stuff is 4 nerds.
The most important thing to CNN’s bottom line is the fucked up fees the TV monopoly-distributors charge us all to receive channels we don’t want. Not coincidentally :: CNN is owned by a cable monopoly. They’ll continue to get their windfall monies no matter how much ass they suck.
You’re right that 24/7 Casey Anthony {or insert whatever dumb thing} “makes money” :: but mostly cause it doesn’t cost money. If they had to sell their shit version of fake news a la carte … they’d fail … and be finished as a company by the end of the month. And I seriously doubt that is an exaggeration.
Incentives matter.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 6:22 pm
@SD, I was under the impression that they sold advertising & sponsorships as well. The eyeballs that are glued to the non-challenging “mommy kills baby” story have got to vastly dwarf the number that want to hear 4 hours of bullshit about nails in logs.
Omikse Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@White Rabbit,…the sad thing is all the networks treat their news departments the same, as entertainment. Look at the morning news programs, most are listed as ‘news magazines’, where the news is offered up with fashion tips, and cooking segments.That is until a disaster hits, then they cue the tragic music, and serve us warmed over, left-overs all day long. Real news, and real reporters no longer exist. The Eagles had it right in their song,Dirty Laundry…
” We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
Its interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry ”
Sadly, they give us “in depth reporting” to suit the minds of ADHD hampsters.They will change when we do.
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Omikse Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 4:43 pm
@White Rabbit,…I got a reply of sorts, not very impressive but considering the source it is more than what I expected…I expected nothing, and got slightly more.
“Greetings,
Thank you for contacting CNN.com. The James Arthur Ray trial is not available for streaming on CNN.com Live at this time. We apologize for any inconvenience. However, we do hope to offer that footage sometime in the near future. Please stay tuned to http://live.cnn.com for updates.
Best Regards,
CNN.com Technical Operations”
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Anne Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 5:16 pm
@Omikse,
I just received the same response. I would actually be quite content to watch video of the trial later in the day. I might actually get some work done during the day that way.
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Omikse Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 6:26 pm
@Anne,…I don’t put much faith in the ” However, we do hope to offer that footage sometime in the near future.” statement….it feels like a brush off to me…
Pathfinder Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 6:55 pm
@Omikse,
Several others have also received this same message from CNN. I think is they are giving us the typical kiss off. SD explained above CNN was using a satelite to transmit the court feed, which is expensive. So given everything said here. Not surprised. Hopefully some of the followers of this trial or other local reporters can send realtime tweets. Otherwise we are forced to hang of the words of the local media. In the meantime, I continue to say prayers for the Prosecution and families of the deceased for this trial to reach a just conclusion.
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I forgot the name I use here. SD, the video made me cry. That’s what this is about – all the outrage, the venom, the bad jokes – it’s about the lives of four trusting, beautiful, innocent people whose lives were ended at the mercy of a MONSTER.
Did he really say that about the Holocaust? I had to listen to it twice to make sure I heard what I heard. I was so shocked I pushed my laptop off the bed. Yes, I read you in bed, SD. (Shut up, everyone!). I really believe that is one of the most shocking statements I have ever heard a human being make. I can’t fathom it.
That truly shows the depth of this man’s depravity and ability to convince himself of ANYthing that makes HIM sound right. And it shows his complete lack of empathy and compassion. And his wanton disregard for human life. Now I’m crying again.
Joni
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Yakaru Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 2:36 pm
@Some Effing Secret,
This also has music (in case it doesn’t embed, the link goes to Droid’s “Death Ray Speakesth #2″ video)
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Some Effing Secret Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 10:00 am
@Yakaru, Awesome – I love that song, too. And it fits perfectly with the kind of creepy mechanical delivery JAR developed.
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LaVaughn Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 7:02 pm
@Some Effing Secret, Oh he said it, alright. The punchline is that that was his way to avoid giving an even more offensive answer, and admitting what The Secret actually says. To his credit (???) Joe Vitale was at least honest when he explained that the Haitians brought that devastating earthquake on themselves with all their negative thinking. God, I hate The Secret.
WINNER!! ::
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Yakaru Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@LaVaughn,
It is a very clear indication of the degree of Ray’s craven hypocrisy: the holocaust was somehow created by its victims, but his death lodge – a direct result of his deliberate and pre-meditated actions – was a “tragic accident”. The deciding factor of course is that in the latter case, it’s JAR’s own ass that’s on the line.
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Yakaru Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@LaVaughn,
It is a very clear indication of the degree of Ray’s craven hypocrisy: the holocaust was somehow created by its victims, but his death lodge – a direct result of his deliberate and pre-meditated actions – was a “tragic accident”. The deciding factor of course is that in the latter case, it’s JAR’s own ass that’s on the line, not someone else’s.
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Some Effing Secret Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@Yakaru, Bingo! You nailed it right on the head.
Joni
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I wouldn’t know anything about this if it wasn’t for Linda, my sister. Out East, they don’t say diddley squat about it. This reincarnated Nazi deserves the electric chair.
Why is all this being suppressed? We heard enough about Manson, OJ, Son of Sam, etc. Shouldn’t the whole country know about this mass murderer too? He’s no better than Jim Jones or any of those other cultists.
WINNER!! ::
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Some Effing Secret Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 3:21 pm
@Ms. Billie M. Spaight,
I believe one of the reasons that this case hasn’t grabbed national attention is because the Assholes of America (and there are many) subscribe to the Blame the Victim method of looking at justice. I believe that many Americans (not those of us who are here – this is where the smart people hang out) are stupid. And stupid assholes look at this case, and think to themselves, “Well, these victims went to the seminars as willing participants. Hell, they even paid a bunch of money to spend time with this guy, and you gets what you pays for!”
And these assholes are just the types to be jealous and refer to the victims as “filthy rich” because they had thousands of dollars to spend on seminars.
That kind of thinking is so hideous, so wrong, so egregiously narrow-minded and moronic that it makes me shake. And yet I’m sure that there are tons of idiotic imbeciles who think that way. And may they all go straight to hell.
James Arthur Ray is a worse mass murderer than Manson or any other murderer who kills strangers. JAR had the trust of his victims. He had their hearts. They were under his care, and their lives were HIS responsibility. And he just plain didn’t give a shit. He still doesn’t. And may he go straight to hell, too.
WINNER!! ::
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Jean D Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 6:01 pm
@Some Effing Secret, You are so right.Blame the victim is even being expressed by some ass-backward domestic violence prevention and healing advocates like Kathleen M Schmidt of WA state(who we know loves and endorses James Arthur Ray). These organizations/individuals have studied The Secret and have convinced themselves that they’re being progressive when in actuality, they’re conveniently reverting to a 1950s-type thinking in which the first question typically asked of a DV or rape victim is, “Now what was “your” responsibility in this? What did “you” do to cause this?
WINNER!! ::
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rosie Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm
@Jean D,
Thanks for connecting the dots here.
I hope the jury understands Ray’s responsibility in this.
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Ms. Billie M. Spaight Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 10:46 am
@Some Effing Secret, You are 100% right. Look at the whole Victorian-era thinking that blames poor people for being poor. That is exactly how too many people think today. That is also true in rape trials. People tear apart how the woman dresses and who she was with etc.
Whether or not people “should have known better” has nothing to do with the commission of a crime. A criminal act is still a criminal act no matter who the victim is or what he or she knew or didn’t know. The only time the victim’s behavior should ever be looked at is if the defense claims that the criminal act was done in self-defense.
The human race is woefully short on compassion.
I served in a jury trial’s penalty phase and all the other jurors did not want to award the victim a decent sum of money for her injuries because they were young and callow. They could not imagine what kind of subsequent things the person might suffer. They also displayed a lot of hostility toward the victim because she lived in a wealthy area. Despite my strong passions about wealth being unfair, I felt that her economic status should not have determined what she was awarded because who could really say where she would be in life later on when the aftereffects hit her. There was far too much discussion about the nature of the victim than about the the injuries she sustained and their possible aftereffects.
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Anonymous Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 11:24 am
@Ms. Billie M. Spaight,
Thanks for sharing that experience – it’s not surprising, but it is upsetting to hear, even though we all know it’s true. People are woefully short on compassion, and woefully long on stupid. God help me if I ever need to be judged by a jury of my peers!
Joni
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Salty–
You mentioned something about reminding the courts that they could put out their own media/video feed? Any ideas how to go about that? The CNN avenue doesn’t seem to be bearing fruit.
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Whoa, Son! @Don, Soooo…..sounds like you’re on the side of the defense, there, Don? Or do I miss my guess? That’s a viewpoint we don’t get to hear often in these here parts. Do tell – when would NOW be a good time for James Arthur Ray to be set free to fry some more folks?
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Some Effing Secret Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 6:05 pm
@Don, Say it ain’t so! Your comments were all about how the cards are stacked against poor lil Jimmy. Therefore I assumed (based strictly on all of the evidence presented, like the empirical fool that I am) that you were on the side of the propecia-popping sweat lodge freak. I mean, the defendant.
Crap. I was looking forward to hearing what could possibly pass for a defense.
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@Don. Sounds like you were there. Can you share some insights that we are all missing? Cause all we are seeing is people who either suffered or lost someone or tried to help. Did you get a message from those who passedthat they chose to die? Can you share insight that shows Hitler was innocent and it was set up to be blamed for the death of 6 million? Or that Jim jones was also a nice guy? Please share your wisdom so we can set JAR free to run some more seminars for the people he owes so much money to. And cook some more volunteers.
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scammed Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 4:13 pm
@Don,
You sound amazingly like the sociopath, James Ray. You seem to either take pleasure in people’s pains and troubles or be completely detached from all the emotions and deaths and pain that people are suffering from in this whole ordeal. You actually gross me out with your half emotionless/half ridiculing of the deaths of four people and the effort of some very straight-up law enforcement folks of apparent integrity (on the prosecution’s side). You should be ashamed, but sociopaths don’t feel any shame. I think I”ll just ignore all of your responses from here on, because they will only serve to amuse you in your sad little life that is totally lacking in rich human caring and interaction. Go back to your little dark hole.
WINNER!! ::
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Jean D Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 4:46 pm
@scammed, Dark hole is correct. Could it be the Troll Lee Kuan,man of a thousand names and faces?
WINNER!! ::
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Some Effing Secret Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 6:10 pm
@Don, Your posts are filled with nothing BUT emotion. Prosecutory misconduct and judicial bias, real or imagined, are not EVIDENCE. What is your evidence?? Back up your words already – make this interesting instead of stooooopid.
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Cheerio Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 7:26 pm
@Don, What a pointless comment.
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@Don, You make an excellent point, Don. That’s the value of an impartial media — as opposed to a network with an obvious agenda. People on all sides of an issue should be able to watch real, fact based news and form their own opinions. Too bad CNN has proved itself not to be an impartial media outlet. They’ve let a lot of people of many viewpoints down. I hope you’ve taken the time to write them and let them know you’d like the James Ray trial back on CnnLive. If not:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form9d.html
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White Rabbit Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 4:29 pm
@LaVaughn,
I, too, was blessed with a generic email response from CNN.
“Greetings (Earthlings),
Thank you for contacting CNN.com. The James Arthur Ray trial is not available for streaming on CNN.com Live at this time. We apologize for any inconvenience. However, we do hope to offer that footage sometime in the near future. Please stay tuned to http://live.cnn.com for updates.”
Well, gee willy wilkers, it sure does sound like they are possibly still there filming in the courtroom if they can respin, homogenize, repackage and regurgitate it to us at a later date. The only problem is, by then it will be like yesterday’s papers and old news. Fish wrap. We will not have had the advantage of seeing what really happened. Is that the point?
If they were a legitimate news media outlet they would be more than glad to allow the general public to see our justice system in action. In fact, they would see that as their purpose. Apparently not so. Their InSession lawyers took one spin and since the game doesn’t appear to be going their way, they took their cameras off-line. They are playing a numbers game with Casey Anthony. However, Dr. Conrad was pushed back so they had room to continue the Sweat Lodge Trial.
This is like cancelling Dallas before they reveal who shot JR. (Hmmm…interesting initials.) This is like following football and then pulling out halfway through the play-offs. That kind of thing can turn people off to a business permanently.
The James Ray Trial seems to be like an orphan drug. Not enough people worth troubling with. If that is the gage for all news, by all means please play hours of Outside Buckingham Palace at Night with no audio. That was a real attention grabber.
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@ Ms Billie M Spaight @Joni I refuse to believe most people lack in compassion. I especially refuse to believe it about the JAR trial jurors. Perhaps it’s because I’m middle-aged and an Okie from a background in which compassion is our nature. In fact, it’s so normal for people like me to care,when I used to watch Oprah 10 years ago, I always wondered why the heck she did shows on “Good Samaritans” or “Those Who Help Others”. It would have made more sense to me to do a show about people who don’t help others;to explore what’s wrong with them.
Because I care, I follow this case. It’s impossible for me to think about Kirby Brown,James Shore,Liz Neuman, Colleen Conaway and all their friends and family, without feeling pain and sorrow. I also feel very deeply for everyone,any of you who have been injured either physically, economically, psychologically, or emotionally by James Ray. Those wounds may be not be as apparent, but they are very real and will have an effect for years to come.
It took me 6 years after the OKC bombing to realize I was suffering from trauma/survivor’s guilt. Actually,it was during a conversation with a friend, M.A. in Counseling, who helped me realize that my partying 5 nights a week,and working outside my profession as an educator were not just due to a mid-life crisis. After our conversation,I immediately consulted the Red Cross who funded 2 years of therapy for me with an MSW,who was a mental health professional par excellence.
My therapist helped me realize it’s good, and necessary, to keep living well, even though my mind kept telling me I didn’t deserve it. After all, I believed unconsiously, the 168 dead victims of McVeigh and Nichols never had the chance to fulfill their lives. And the 19 little children, including infants,whom those guys brutally murdered never even got a chance to grow up…
If Ray really believes the Holocaust was a “good thing”, I bet he thinks what happened in OKC was,too,and I’m damn sure he’s proud of his “work” in Sedona. But remember. Justice will be served to James Arthur Ray. No matter what his punishment may be in this life, his soul will be held accountable. As my Granddad used to say,”It’ll all come out in the wash,whether in this life or the next one.”
In the meantime, live as well as you can: Defeat him,and all those like him, by loving yourself and giving as much as possible to others,to the world: altruism born of suffering.
WINNER!! ::
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White Rabbit Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 5:27 pm
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LOSER!! ::
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Yakaru Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 1:13 am
@White Rabbit,
I have heard exactly the same argument used by a fan of the LoA to explain why that poor lass in Austria “attracted” a father who would lock her in a cellar for 23 years.
If you want to use such notions to understand events, then you have to also allow other equally unlikely possibilities. Perhaps Mr Ray really is God. Perhaps everyone really was killed by organo-phosphates. Perhaps someone hacked your Droid account and placed that comment, and then implanted a false memory in you, convincing you that you made that comment.
What’s to say those things also aren’t true?
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White Rabbit Reply:
June 3rd, 2011 at 5:54 pm
@Yakaru,
You know, the majority of the people on this blog are actually lookie-lou’s to this case. Many of you never even heard of James Ray before the whole sweat lodge incident. You are the ones who have slowed down to check out the accident. When it is over you will move on to something else.
I, on the other hand, am still trying to come to terms with and process my whole experience. As Jean mentioned above, you finally realize that you are dealing with PTSD. And it’s not a joke. To others you “look fine”, but there are layers and it runs deep.
Yakaru, I find your above statements laughable. If you ever bothered to get to know me, you would be embarrassed by them. I am not one of those stick your fingers in your ears and go la-la-la just be positive LoA people. Sorry to disappoint you on that one. I have been at the mercy of their lack of compassion and social incompetence and had my fill of that myself. What do you say to some of those people? Congratulations on your new lobotomy?
As far as James being God, oh, there is a funny story I could tell but I won’t.
I saw James as creating this huge wax effigy of himself and right now, if it is still and quiet, and if you listen very carefully, you can hear his little voice crying out: “I’m melting. I’m melting. Oh…..noooooo.” So no, I never did see him as God.
I think my comments on this blog about organophosphates speak for themselves.
My 5th Grade teacher had a roll of paper taped to the wall above the blackboards in the front of the room. On it in big letters was a quote by Voltaire: “I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to your death your right to say it.” Perhaps, coming out of WW2, that was something that was really important. Perhaps at times like we are going through now it is something to remember.
I do maintain my right to question. I will always question everybody and everything. Once we give up that right, we slip into a state like Nazi Germany. (Hmmm…you live in Germany, don’t you?) James periodically held Open Frame, but I cannot begin to tell you the number of people who were afraid to speak up. What does that tell you? Real questioning was not tolerated. I thought SD wanted this blog to be a place where others could speak to things that were not accepted on other forums without being eradicated. Perhaps I misunderstood and am in the wrong place.
And really, what is your interest in this whole thing? You don’t have any investment in him, however, you have read the articles, read the testimonies, and watched the trial. You appear to have it all wrapped up and neatly tied with a bow. You’ve got all of the answers, mainly because you aren’t struggling with the same questions. I have done those things, also. But the difference between our understandings is that you are like the jury only allowed limited information, and I have been through it like the witnesses and am not allowed to tell. I am sifting through so much information and experience and personal questions that I had going through the whole experience and you don’t even know enough to ask the questions. You are only looking at him from one side. Maybe that works for you. I, on the other hand, feel the need to walk around and take a look from the back, get down on my knees and look up, and get up on a ladder and look down.
For people who studied with James, it became very shameful to admit it after this whole incident. There were the knee-jerk judgments as to our mental capacity, more money than brains, etc, etc, etc. What didn’t really come out was that not everyone who ever went to Spiritual Warrior paid $10,000 (the majority didn’t). That was just the last price as he was greedily pushing the envelope. What didn’t really come out was that people who got in at one point or another watched James get more and more out of control, especially after Oprah and Larry King, yet everyone gets all bundled up in one big assumption.
The first big rule of brain-storming is that you do not edit. You lay every idea out there no matter how absurd it may appear. So my above question was not out of line. Reincarnation has been a concept that has run through all major religions (until they gutted the Bible way back when) and cultures. It is not a New-Agey, LoA, woo woo concept unless your belief system is so concrete you do not allow in anything that was not talked about in your house when you grew up. Didn’t you ever have to read Socrates in high school?
Back in 2008 I was having a conversation with someone in the psychology field and I asked him straight out: Is James a sociopath? That question blind-sided him. It was something I had been wondering for quite some time but you didn’t question anything about James as it was absolute heresy. James was golden. Unquestionable. So there was a question that was so far out of the box for everyone at that time, but look where we are now.
There are so many other questions I could ask but the mindsets of most people here are not open enough to do it. I can sense that there are a couple of people who cannot speak their whole truth here also. That is sad. The discussion could become far broader and much more interesting than just regurgitating the same old stuff. There are far more layers that you will never know, but most people are just too afraid to look or consider other possibilities. Al Capone got nailed on tax evasion, not murder. You will never come close to seeing the full picture of James.
So, Yakaru, when you have finally moved on to something else none the worse for wear, I will still be picking the shards out of my body, mind and soul. And I will still be questioning.
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Yakaru Reply:
June 4th, 2011 at 3:15 am
@White Rabbit,
I was hoping you’d answer my comment, thanks. I appreciate your comments here and didn’t mean any kind of personal attack.
All I wanted to do was point out the dangers of introducing ideas reincarnation into analyzing why this all happened. I didn’t even say the idea is wrong, just that has undesirable implications in this particular situation.
Brainstorming with these ideas openly in the internet is also an invitation to respond, wouldn’t you say? My brief offering was not coming from the kind of perspective you attribute to me.
Actually, what you wrote about me was completely inaccurate, and quite unfair.
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SD Reply:
June 4th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
@White Rabbit ::
I liked your comment … even though I totally disagree with you. Cause it feels real … that’s kinda my only requirement.
You’re right that many people aren’t comfortable speaking their full mind here. But that’s probably good.
One should think before one speaks. And in a diverse group where open expression is encouraged … any view expressed has a chance of getting swatted down or loathed. Many people plan their whole lives around avoiding that very circumstance. So more than 80% of people choose to never comment.
One of the comforting things about a manipulative group or cult is that there is always a dominant view that one is encouraged to express. As long as one is expressing that view :: there is safety. Real life doesn’t offer that convenience.
There are lots of people here … like Yakuru … and me … who think that the “ideas” expressed by these charlatans are just as dangerous as their psychopathy. Bad ideas :: mixed with bad men :: equals very bad results. So it’s good for people to call out both.
And lastly :: it’s not awesome to trivialize someone else’s efforts. I also have no personal experience with James Ray … but I would say that “none the worse for wear” doesn’t even begin to describe what it feels like to stand up against a wall of manipulated certainty.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
June 5th, 2011 at 9:07 am
@White Rabbit, While I do not claim to understand everything you have been through, and I want to cut you some slack because of those self-described shards in your body, mind, and soul, I think it is wrong to dismiss everyone who hasn’t been through a JAR or similar experience firsthand as “lookie-loos.” FYI, some of us here HAD heard of James Ray long before the sweat lodge incident. (I first learned of him when The Secret came out, though for years I dismissed him as just another egotistical buffoon like most of the other “teachers” in that ludicrous New-Wage moviemercial. I underestimated his insidiousness.)
Moreover, some of us actually have firsthand experience with New-Wage/McSpirituality culture and gurus, even if we didn’t know JAR and weren’t participants in the JAR sweat lodge or other events. And some of us have been engaged in criticism of the industry for many years (and as a consequence have made a few enemies and have even received death threats). However, having firsthand experience is not necessary for accurate perception of scams and sociopathic behavior.
Finally, I have observed that at least some of the survivors and the families of JAR’s victims appreciate the viewpoints, sympathy, and empathy from us “lookie-loos.”
That said, WR, I wish you continued recovery from your experiences with JAR.
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Anne Reply:
June 5th, 2011 at 11:00 am
@White Rabbit,
I’m sure I don’t begin to comprehend the pain of your experience and I do not underestimate your struggles. I will not equate my experience with yours, but it was also painful for me to watch a loved one be sucked in by a new wage charlitan. For my friend, it was not James Ray, but it easily could have been. The methods are amazingly similar.
IMO, exercising your right to question and speak up, doesn’t equate to freedom from having other people express disagreement with your ideas. You could have responded to Yakaru on the merits of his opinion rather than chastise him for expressing it, or accuse him of trying to eradicate your freedom of expression because he disagreed. Are *you* willing to tolerate real questioning?
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Some Effing Secret Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 6:13 pm
@Jean D, Wow, Jean. Your post moved me to tears. Thank you for your heartfelt thoughts and experience. And what you said about Okies – I’d forgotten about that, but it’s true. I spent some time in OK and was astonished at the basic goodness of the people there. And I felt some of that survivor’s guilt after 9/11.
Bless your heart, Jean, and thanks for being so open.
Joni
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White Rabbit Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 8:48 pm
@Some Effing Secret,
Since James grew up in Tulsa, OK, giving him his early imprinting, how did he get such a short in his wiring?
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Anonymous Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 9:39 am
@White Rabbit,
NOTE: not ALL Okies are good people, and psychopaths can come from anywhere. See textbooks: Psych 101, Sociology 101. Also see: Absolutes are not arguments.
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Anonymous Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 9:58 am
@White Rabbit,
Sorry, I hit the button too soon – I don’t know how he got so effed up. Insecurity, for sure. He has that complete lack of empathy that sociopaths have, and a whole shitload of narcissism. Add extreme greed, and that adds up to a sweat lodge killer in this case. How it happened, I don’t know. I haven’t heard much about his brother, who was apparently joined at the hip with him. Is he a psycho con man as well?
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Jean D Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@, Anonymous @White Rabbit I did not say all Okies are good people. If you read what I wrote,you’ll see the topic was about helping others out,showing concern.It’s well-documented generalization,not an absolute.
As far as James Ray’s origins, (I’ve posted this a few times before…)he did grow up in Tulsa,but was born in Hawaii,and the Ray family came from elsewhere. Most likely, some family dynamics contributed to his dementia; his parents are currently scammers and slumlords. The Droid has captured the true spirit of this family: http://saltydroid.info/whos-your-daddy/
http://saltydroid.info/143/
Who knows what types of abuse or dysfunction played a role in his antisocial development. Again, he was known as a hateful bully. It didn’t help that he has practiced hallucinogen and steroid abuse for most of his life. IMO he’s another garden variety murderous criminal.
My statement about the “next life” is more along the lines of James Ray is Headed Straight to Hell. No transmigration of the soul implied.
WINNER!! ::
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2LateSmart Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 2:21 pm
@Jean D,
Agreed – who knows the ingredients that went into this particular conscience-less maniac? I appreciate the links to his parents’ history – being fairly new here, I haven’t yet read all of the backstories.
Joni
2Tired2 Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:23 pm
@White Rabbit,
Let’s see…last time I checked, wiring did not come from Tulsa. It came from Tesla.
Oh, wait a sec…the, uh, brain wiring, that is.
I still maintain that JAR is a reptillian. Which has nothing to do with the “wiring” spoken about above.
Even SD doesn’t believe me.
Wiring, wiring, wiring…
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2Tired2 Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:29 pm
@2Tired2,
Oh…I’m writing a msg to myself…
Nonetheless…w/ re: “wiring”
& I normally do not depend on Wiki articles for the truth, yet, this offers some pretty good details on TESLA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla
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@Don, Hi Lee Kuan. How’s Honolulu?
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Babzilicious Reply:
June 5th, 2011 at 10:49 am
@Jean D,
Dontcha love it! Guy’s got so many pseudonyms now – check out Oprah’s page, he’s “Pat Harding” there. What an ass.
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Jean D Reply:
June 6th, 2011 at 10:27 am
@Babzilicious, Hi Babz Some things never change with crazy trolls. Have you seen the site KIR Keeping It Real He’s all the trolls in the dungeon. Well, I guess we’re waiting for the verdict now.
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Jean D Reply:
June 6th, 2011 at 10:50 am
@Jean D P.S.Here’s the link for anyone interested in examining the mind of someone with Multiple Personality Disorder who posts relentlessly all over the web. Today,by just briefly glancing at it, I realized this forum serves as his new blog. Unbelievable. Frankly, I can’t even look at anymore,it’s so disturbing. http://realism.yuku.com/topic/2995/Re-Hope-obscured?page=-1
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Article from The Daily Courier – 6/1/2011
Sweat Lodge Trial: Witness says PTSD was responsible for inconsistent statements
http://dcourier.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=94461&SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1086&S=1
I say, thank you Mark Rock for doing the work necessary to finally get clear and step up to the truth of that horrible event and it’s aftermath.
Cross examination should be particularly nasty!
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2LateSmart Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 11:22 am
@Mario,
Thank you for posting the link. I feel for Mark – it’s difficult for someone who hasn’t experienced PTSD to understand what havoc it can wreak in your brain. I pray for his continued strength, especially in the cross examination, which will be particularly nasty, as you said.
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I’m quite certain that I’ll regret the question, but who is Lee Kuan?
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Jean D Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 1:03 pm
@2LateSmart, The oldest,longest running,most obnoxious troll on the web.
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2LateSmart Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@Jean D,
Thank you, Jean. Sounds like a delightful type – bleccchh.
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SD Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 2:44 pm
@Don Kuan ::
I’m deleting all your comments …
oh and also …
fuck off.
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2LateSmart Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:34 pm
@SD,
Yay! I love a manly robot! I will miss Don Kuan’s capitals, though….
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“IMO he’s another garden variety murderous criminal.”
Jean D. – James Ray is no garden variety sociopath–he’s a sociopath with a Messiah complex! I hate that no one other reporter but Mark Duncan even seems to be at the trial, reporting.
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2Tired2 Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:56 pm
@nancy,
Hey, Nancy…! as per usual, I’ll either get booted outta here or receive a mess of ‘thumbs down’.
I do not know who Mark Duncan is…yet, I will find out. He’s got some ****, which is a good thing.
IMO ~ the press has been shut down by James A. Ray’s goons, including CNN, Oprah and Ted Turner & everybody else they know.
I know what I am talking about.
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Cheerio Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
@2Tired2, As usual shut down everyone who has or may have something accurate and nasty to say about you and what you’ve done. Consistent with guilt and narcissistic thoughts.
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nancy Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 7:25 pm
@2Tired2, It is totally bizarre how the entire media has dropped this trial like a hot potato. I can’t recall anything like it ever. Wish I could head up there and sit in on it!
Mark Duncan is the reporter covering the trial for the Prescott Courier, with a couple of links above (Prescott is the Yavapai County seat). Although he is clearly defense-oriented, as far as I can tell he is the only source out there reporting regularly on the trial. I can’t find other sources even commenting occasionally anymore. It’s apalling!
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Here’s something I just came across from our old friends at In Session.
Could it be they have a reporter yet no feed? What’s up with that?? Anyhoo… this is reporting on Kelly’s cross of Mark Rock. It doesn’t sound like that dry drunk got his way! :)
During Kelly’s rigorous cross examination of Rock, he first explains to the witness how he may still be prosecuted for providing false testimony in spite of the “use immunity” given by the State of Arizona, which does not cover perjury. Rock professes to understand that. Then, prior to playing the 23-minute-long audio recording of the statement Rock made to Lt. Tom Boelcz over the phone soon after the incident, Kelly prompts Rock to admit again that at the time of this recording he was still “in an altered state” and was “distraught” and “emotional.” The recording of the conversation depicts a relatively calm Rock describing nothing of the stress he experienced during the sweat lodge as he had in earlier testimony during direct examination. Kelly says to Rock that “you just told the jury that you made this statement while you were distraught and suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).” Rock replied that “that is how he felt although it didn’t sound that way.”
As hard as Kelly tried to effectively get Rock to acknowledge the gross discrepancies between his statements to police on October 8, 2009 and his testimony during pretrial and what he’s been saying on the witness stand for the past two days of testimony, he could not get Rock to admit that what he said in earlier statements was a lie. Rock would go no further than concede that at the time he made those statements, they were as accurate as he could remember. Ultimately Kelly tried to get Rock to realize that he may be perjuring himself and to recant the earlier testimony, but to no avail. Rock stuck by his most recent testimony insisting it to be the most accurate representation of what happened on October 8.
Kelly’s next tactic was to establish that Rock did not change his story until after spending several months at Angel Valley talking to the Hamiltons, the Mercers and Foster who presumably convinced Rock to make a statement that steered responsibility for what happened away from the Hamiltons who were facing numerous lawsuits. Kelly was also quick to point out that the participants of the 2009 sweat lodge, who were invited to return for the sweat lodge dismantling ceremony, were invited to attend contingent upon not ever initiating a lawsuit against the Hamiltons.
In closing, when Kelly brought into question that Rock had, in fact, not fulfilled his responsibility as a Dream Team member by not pointing out any problems or aiding participants in distress, Rock’s last remark was that “there would have been more deaths if he had not lifted the tarp [behind his head]…he did something to contribute to some surviving…at least he did something because James Ray did nothing.” The defense objected and this remark was immediately stricken from the record.
The jury asked no questions.
…and neither do I.
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Here’s a link to Mark Duncan’s report from Thursday proceedings.
http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=94515&TM=11645.21
Sounds to me like it was a good day for the home team!
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Thanks, Salty …. your persistence, language adeptness, occasional humor, and biting commentary … are just what this outrageous douchebaggery needs. It would be difficult to get through all the details without your bootprint kicking me onward to read.
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Here’s a couple Twitter updates… Looks like we might actually have a live feed tomorrow!
@DatelineApril April Santiago
Court over for the day. No mention of rebuttal witnesses. Lawyers still arguing over jury instrux. Will continue at 8:15a tmrw. #jamesray
@TomMcFeeley Tom McFeeley
Closing arguments expected to begin in #jamesray case tomorrow. State said it needs 90 min.; Defense says abt. 4 hours. @cnnlive to stream
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