Darker than the DarkSide

Dr. Douche's Hero Path of the Champion

Dr. Leonard Coldwell is not a doctor :: he’s not a Leonard Coldwell even … he’s NotDoctor Bernd Klein … the pervy little disgrace of Germany. Bernd’s mother Gerda :: knowing immediately what rot she hath wrought … tried to kill herself by swallowing too much hepatitis. But Bernd was an imaginary doctor even in his youths :: and he saved mommy dearest from herself … as he tells in one of the most ridiculous examples of fraudulent biography on all of the interwebz …

Discovering his gifts at a very early age, he single-handedly cured his own mother from Hepatitis C, Liver Cirrhosis, and liver cancer – a near impossible feat since she had been given a diagnosis of a terminal state and a prognosis of only 6 months to live.

Hold still mommy :: baby Bernd is just palpating your sick livers … nothing weird … just some single handing.

Throughout Dr. Coldwell’s successful career, he has to date, cured over 35,000 cancer patients (studies have proven a 92.3% cancer cure rate).

Okay :: nope … lies … lies so stupid there could be no stupider lies … oh … wait …

Dr. Coldwell is the most endorsed and integrated natural Doctor in the world, having earned 4 doctor degrees and 4 PHDs.

What the hell is a “doctor degree” :: I guess I’d know if I had four PHDs … or maybe one Ph.D.

In spite of these :: impressively fake :: fake credentials … Leonard Coldwell was never able to make much of himself. Just another faker in a sea of fakers. Maybe it’s his creepy dirty old man vibe :: or the str8 from porn mustache :: or the sunken black eyes … but peeps just weren’t that into Leonard. Or as he modestly puts it …

19 times Mega Bestselling author, the world’s leading authority for Cancer cures based on independent studies performed and substantiated by the Dr. Hohn Institute for medical research, with an historical cancer cure rate of 92.3%, and with over 3.4 million seminar attendees plus over 57 million readers … When live on each program he generates an average 280,000 email responses from folks requesting information.

Totally :: but seriously … nobody had ever heard of this stupid little fucker.

Then came Kevin Trudeau circa 2005. Trudeau was using a popular lead gen book :: infomercials … and every other trick in the Scamworld book “they” don’t want you to know about to separate people from their money … writ large. Trudeau made fake doctor Lenny Coldwell his B-team bitch :: that changed things for Coldwell … and they’ve been together unhappily ever after.

With leads coming in from KT’s bullshit :: Coldwell could focus on manipulation and exploitation … which is far easier than generating the initial leads. Lenny needs easy jobs :: because he’s dumb … and he sucks at stuff.

A Salty Droid Dateline 60 minutes 4 PHDs exclusive investigation has revealed that Leonard Coldwell set up remote servers with family in Germany in order to process email leads generated by Kevin Trudeau’s fraudulent activities. Leonard would reply to emails as “Dr. Hohn” {who is a real person … and actual doctor} … and refer victims to his own products.

Such elaborate measures were prolly required because America’s Federal Trade Commission was crawling up the ass of Trudeau’s operation. I suspects they even sniffed out this fake Dr. Hohn situation. But they suck :: so they accomplished jackshit … and Trudeau and Coldwell scam on unabated.

B-team bitch Leonard Coldwell at his side :: Trudeau moved on to the not next not big thing … MLM.

His Global Information Network is an MLM based “club” where you deposit all your money :: and all the money of any friends or family you can successfully pressure pitch :: in the “club” until you reach the Level 5 Inner Council and Xenu clears all your thetans.

Or something :: who cares? :: GIN failed … cause like fellow anti-scam crusader Dr. Jon Taylor recently told The New York Observer regarding MLM funtime disaster WorldVentures

“A good MLM is really an oxymoron.”

But before GIN started to finish imploding like all MLMs always do :: totally unqualified to do anything sack of shit Leonard Coldwell was making good money suckling on Kevin’s pasty white scam teets.

Keven Trudeau made “Dr.” Leonard Coldwell :: so it was a highly unorthodox violation of Scamworld protocol when Coldwell started publicly shitting on his scam mommy …

It is as I believe a bankrupt club that was a good idea and got killed by greed and fraud! as I personally believe and the owner is still sucking people out with deception lies and fraudulent, false and deceptive advertisement as I believe. A lot of people seem to go to jail for fraud as my lawyers believe… It turned into a cult for many idiots, losers or simply deceived people, that put all there money into it and quit their job and now are still trying to keep this club of fraud and deception ( as many believe it is ) alive.

Harsh words :: fucking illiterate as I and my lawyers believe :: but harsh … please continue with your 4 doctor degrees of mouth talking …

They gave 50 000 or even 75 000 dollars and did not even know what they bought, it looks like that they had no contracts and I am sure they lose their money I am am sure the club is gone latest at the beginning of next year. The owner goes to jail soon as we all believe and he does not have the 37 million dollars ( maybe 40 million with interest ) that he has to pay in court fine as he told me. So the usual Jones town mentality with their inner circle and level 5 brainwashed cult followers.

Gosh :: somebody’s as mad as he is bald … and daft. Comparing an A-teamer like KT to Jonestown is a Scamworld career ending mistake … because it’s way too close to truth. In private? Sure no probs :: tear your shirt off while blaspheming L. Ron Hubbard :: throw some plates … and give it to Karl up the ass. But on The Facebook? Oh no you didn’t!

The funniness of that fuck up :: together with @CosmicConnie’s long time whirled interest in these goon bags … got my attention.

I believe :: if you’re a rotten to the core psycho prick with the worst kind of evil secrets to hide … you don’t want my attention … as I believe.

Oh well … too late.

Hi Leonard/Bernd :: I’m The Salty Droid … and I know your fucking secret you worthless piece of shit.

The horror that is you :: is finally going to allow me to turn the light onto the darkest of Scamworld dark spots … the rampant sexual exploitation and sexual abuse of vulnerable women {and women too young to be called women}.

Anywayz Leonard :: as I said to non-woman Spider Naomi Dunford this time last year … at the beginning of that important and inflammatory sequence …

… we just started a game that you’re going to lose … so badly.

>> bleep bloop 

300 thoughts on “Darker than the DarkSide”

  1. Using his gifts at an appropriate age, the Salty Droid laid his hands upon Coldwell’s scammery — and the Facebook was cured of the human stain! Doc took the BS down.

    As I believe, so it is.

      1. @SD,

        There’s a lot of good points in that article. So many in fact that I probably missed some.

        I liked the social media to MLM comparison.
        And this part near the end was great (unable to preserve the formatting):

        Even more laughable than SEOs selling social media as the key to SEO is their open ignorance of the political nature of various relevancy signals.
        Does Facebook sell likes? Yes. Why would Google want to subsidize a competing ad network? It isn’t hard to notice Google’s dislike for Facebook through their very public black PR campaigns.
        The same sort of “why would I subsidize a competitor” issue is also in place with Twitter. They sell retweets & follows, so why would Google want to subsidize that?
        Google counts YouTube ad views as organic views, but they own it & they only rolled out universal search *after* they acquired YouTube.

      2. @SD, I believe you should receive the Nobel Prize for your efforts. FB is a social fungus which needs to be eradicated. If history repeats itself, FB will follow its predecessors to the land of archived apps on an unforgotten hard drive.

    1. @alexandra nouri,

      Saltydroid is a foul-mouthed liar. Only fools would listen to such a jerk. Investigate Dr. Coldwell properly and you’ll soon discover the truth about him.

      1. @Rhisiart Gwilym,

        Thanks to the efforts of @Cosmic Connie and @SD and not-Dr.^4 “Dr. C” Creepy Coldwell himself, I’ve already learned much and more of the /truth/ of that irrational, belligerent, lying, scamming, sexually assaulting, perverted, worthless sh*tstain of an excuse of a human being.

        ——-

        I challenge your assertion that Saltydroid is a liar.

        Are you willing to go on record as saying that the accusations made on the linked page (see below this sentence) are lies?
        http://saltydroid.info/dr-leonard-coldwells-handson-healing/

        Would you be willing to stand by that assertion if you were being sued for libel?

        Because that would be interesting and fascinating and might cause Real Change to occur.

        Or instead did you just plan on regurgitating not-Dr. Creepy Coldwell’s lies for the nth time? If so, please don’t bother.

        Because that would be both tragically typical and bemoaningly boring.


        Furry cows moo and decompress.

      2. @Rhisiart Gwilym, Actually, a proper investigation of Coldwell would be quite damning — to him. Coldwell, IMO, has never actually been properly investigated for two reasons: (1) because he is so good at obscuring his past, particularly his past in Germany as Bernd Klein; and (2) because he just isn’t significant enough in the big scheme of things for investigators to waste too many resources on him.

        So I don’t know where you get your own information. Apparently you believe Coldwell’s own over-the-top propaganda about his amazing humanitarian accomplishments, about his stupendous 92%-plus cancer cure rates, and about his being “the most loved speaker of all time.”

        But let’s just see who the real liar is here. Among many other egregious lies, Coldwell recently engaged in an extended smear campaign about me on Facebook, saying I am a former prostitute who has AIDS. He also says I am now being paid (by Big Pharma) to blog bad stuff about people such as Coldwell who cure cancer by natural means. All of these things are lies.

        And let’s not even get into Lenny’s right-wing political rants. He’s been stepping that up a lot lately, mostly in the service of selling his new IBMS Master’s Society scam. In May he is going to conduct a seminar in Charlotte, North Carolina, to teach people how to be millionaires and how to use guns and knives against the evil government. Originally the price was $199 (though he said it’s a $2,997 value, or something like that). But the price has gone down. Currently it is only $49. However, he has told a few attractive women on Facebook that they can attend for free.

        Coldwell writes like a semi-literate lunatic and I don’t see how anyone could find him at all credible. But to each his or her own.


        1. Coldwell writes like a semi-literate lunatic

          IMHO this is because he is, in fact, a semi=literate lunatic.

          “If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…”

  2. Wow… congrats.. you clearly have your PhD in name calling………………

    Those are pretty harsh charges of sexual abuse… do you have some back up on that? or just rumor?

    1. @Sarah Barendse, Sit tight and watch this page. From what I’ve learned about “Dr.” Coldwell / Bernd, the names he’s being called are actually too kind. I’ve a feeling that even more accurate descriptives – of Bernd and anyone who continues to support him after learning the truth about him – will follow in due course.

      Wanders to the kitchen to make some popcorn, ‘cuz the show is only beginning… :-)

    2. @Sarah Barendse,

      A fair question.

      The standard procedure seems to be: Salty will wait a while and let eeeverybody on the whole Internet that feels like it come by and leave a comment.

      And then the next article will come out. You’ll just have to wait and see.

      And.. if you check more I think you’ll see Salty has at least four Ph.D.s in name calling.

        1. @SD, @Jack, In all fairness to Sarah, she is ex-GIN. That is how she and I “met.” I was invited by some ex-GIN members (not Sarah) to join some Facebook groups for ex-GIN members and GIN members who were still on the fence. I was the outsider, welcomed by some, not so much by others. But as far as I know, Sarah is no longer a fan of Kevin Trudeau at all, but apparently is still quite the fan and defender of Lenny. I am not. She chalks it up to our having different perspectives.

          To say the least.

    3. @Sarah Barendse, What do you think the “salty” in Salty Droid means? This is no low sodium android. Readers of this fine publication experience a wrath summoned from the deepest pits of the Utah salt mines.

  3. “the Dr. Hohn Institute for medical research” – the name Dr.Hohn is one he fabricated to avoid taxes. It is HIS business!

    As for the allegations of sexual misconduct, yes, they ARE true. There are police documents from several complainants.

    He ‘earned’ his Ph.D’s from a now closed degree mill…not a school, college or university, a degree mill. Hell, he could have bought it on ebay for all we know!

    1. @David Wilcox ::

      There is a Dr. Hohn though :: who Leonard has had associations with … which makes it extra confusing about why he pretends to be him.

    1. @Sarah Barendse, comments on this blog are hidden when a significant number of readers judge them to be BS. It’s an automatic thing. If you can rally your fellow sycophants and get them to click the thumbs down, you can get any comment you don’t like hidden (though it will still remain available to anyone who chooses to see it).

      I see you’ve already discovered how to give your own comment a thumbs up. Clever girl. :-)

    2. @Sarah Barendse,

      But then I just plus one’ed it. So at the time of this writing it stands at -3 and is therefore visible. (-4 or below is the cut-off where a comment gets hidden.)

  4. i will sit tight and see how things play out…. I have to tell you though, from what I see in this article you are a terrible writer. Most of that didn’t even make sense.

    1. @Sarah Barendse,

      Some of the Droid’s posts are easier to read than others. The article read fine to me, but I’ve been reading and posting comments here for about a year now (I think).

      Which parts did you have trouble with? Or was it just all the :: colons :: ?

      You get used to it. :-)

    2. @Sarah Barendse, remember Clockwork Orange? Did you ever see it? Did you by chance read the book? There’s something similar going on here with @SD’s writing. It’s his own language and way of stringing logic together that you have to get used to and “settle into” a bit. Then it’s F-U-N-N-Y as it cuts open bleeder slice after bleeder slice of truths that over time have the capacity to bleed the culprit to nothing.

      It’s not fun for the subject. It’s like the total upside-down opposite of the joy all those scam dollars typically bring to the subject — times ten for good measure.

      And that’s before the numbers for said subject start to drop.

      PS: You just criticized @SD’s writing…did you READ the “4 PHD” writing of the good doctor that was quoted directly? How do you get 4 PHDs (whatever those are) or even just ONE PhD. — with no grasp of grammar or proper spelling? That wouldn’t be a double standard raising its ugly head out of your shocked disbelief, would it?

    3. @Sarah Barendse, – you might get some reality checks along the way. I hope so – providing reality checks is the ‘raison d’etre’ of this site. Good writers are creative with language. Try James Joyce. Otherwise Shakespear – the bard was not averse to using bawdy language. If you read ’50 Shades of Grey’ and then come back to this site, you will likely think that the writing is even worse than you do now. It all depends what you are used to.

  5. Why exactly are you calling me names? All i said was that making allegations like this he had better be able to back it up. Let me guess. “Rev Ron” you are Ron Kayne?

    1. @Sarah Barendse, With which “name” do you take issue as being inaccurate? Sycophant (a person who uses flattery to win favour from individuals wielding influence) or clever girl? I do apologize if I’ve misstated your gender; your name did imply that you are at least biologically feminine.

      I don’t know anyone named Ron Kayne, but I don’t hide my identity. Try again. :-)

      1. @RevRonsRants, It must just be something with the name “Ron” then that makes people completely condescending, assuming their sense of humor to actually be funny….. I will leave you to it.

        1. @Sarah Barendse, It has nothing to do with the name, Sarah. I acknowledge my occasional bouts of condescension, which I see as appropriate responses to repeated expressions of abject stupidity and/or sociopathy. Some people elicit such a response more than others, and I would certainly not expect (or be particularly concerned with) their perception of the humor in my responses.

          Have a nice day! (See? I didn’t even end that statement with a pejorative)

        2. @Sarah Barendse,

          Why exactly are you calling me names? All i said was that making allegations like this he had better be able to back it up.

          Actually, no. That’s not all you said. You sounded pretty condescending yourself in your opening comment and again in your second comment when you complained about being down voted …and again in your third comment when you said you’d sit tight but that the Droid was a shitty writer.

          If you want evidence of what the Droid called “rampant sexual exploitation and sexual abuse” of women that occurs in scamworld then fine. That’s completely reasonable. Skepticism is absolutely reasonable.

          But there seems to be something more than mere skepticism on your part. Because your response to the suggestion of “rampant sexual exploitation and sexual abuse” was a snarky come back followed up by getting all huffy and criticizing the writing style. So it does seem that the “rampant sexual exploitation and sexual abuse” part isn’t really at the top of your concerns.

          I am guessing that this is the first time you are visiting this site (based on your comment about the writing style) and am genuinely curious how you found this post.

          1. @What the what,

            Actually, no. That’s not all you said. You sounded pretty condescending yourself in your opening comment

            Yeah she kinda did. And I tried giving her the benefit of the doubt because I figure she’s new here and, I figure, with this article and the following articles that I’m guessing Salty is planning, we are likely to receive a lot of newbies here.

            And newbies will often at first be put-off by the Droid’s writing style, etc, etc, etc.

            But new readers == good. But I didn’t really notice ’till later that @Sarah Barendse is apparently already enemies with @RevRonsRants. (But it’s mildly amusing that she seems to hate him, but that he didn’t even seem to remember her at first.)

            So not so much with the being open minded on @Sarah Barendse’s part then I am guessing.

            Oh well. *shrug*

            P.S. Apologies for very long sentences. That’s just my natural convoluted thinking process.

            1. @Wyrd,

              “But new readers == good.”

              Absolutely agreed. And I’m glad you lead off with your very level headed and diplomatic response. It actually made me stop and observe for a bit before jumping in and commenting. I wanted to come out with both barrels because the topic of sexual predators is one that just hits me so viscerally I completely Hulk out.

              So even though it seems @Sarah Barendse is somehow involved with Trudeau and Coldwell your diplomacy was a much appreciated reminder for me to mind my manners with new people who are just getting their bearings here.

              Also, I am a very big fan of both long sentences and convoluted thinking processes.

      2. @RevRonsRants, clicking on your name. Yes. It’s you. I was not wrong.
        There couldn’t possibly be 2 Ron’s so equal in their rude out of line behavior towards me. Grow up.

        1. @, I stand, properly chastised, struggling mightily to heal the hurt. :-)

          Back to the actual topic of the blog, however, I’ll be interested to see how you deal with the facts that will be revealed here shortly, and whether you’ll have the integrity to disavow the kind of behavior so documented. My bet is on you merely slinking away and either continuing to support the man, or finding another scammer whose coattails appear to be within your reach. And for the record, following either of those paths would preclude the need for me or anyone else to “insult” you, as you would accomplish the task quite effectively, all by yourself.

          BTW – Connie just pointed out a couple of your Facebook comments about me. And you say that I am a rude name-caller? You by chance have a Ph.D. in cognizant dissonance? :-)

  6. I really hate Kevin Trudeau and other fake medicine peddling false hope f*ckers.

    Short video here on cults and memes… [saltydroid.info]

    The way to infect a person’s brain with a cult memeplex is to get ’em while they’re emotionally vulnerable.

    So that’s why there’s such great success at selling fraud crap to the sick. Suppose a person has just learned they have Stage III cancer. Yeah, that person’s probably feeling a bit vulnerable right then.

    And then the sharks like KT and not-doctor Coldwell/Bernd come in. They are the very definition of living sickness incarnate.


    Furry cows moo and decompress.

  7. From the article:

    [KT’s] Global Information Network is an MLM based “club” where you deposit all your money :: and all the money of any friends or family you can successfully pressure pitch :: in the “club” until you reach the Level 5 Inner Council and Xenu clears all your thetans.

    Or something :: who cares? :: GIN failed

    I care a tiny bit about one point: did they give members{/victims} anything in return for the money? (besides promises?)

    If there was no actual product, then wouldn’t that mean that GIN couldn’t claim to be an oxymoronic `”legit”‘ MLM, but would instead have to count as just a good old fashioned totally f*cking illegal pyramid scheme? [wikipedia.org]

    Oh wait I see. It’s that word buried in quotation marks “club”, right? Did they claim that the money was a club due or something?

    I really, really hate MLMs. and pyramid schemes. and cults.

    kittens are cute though. gotta love cat pictures.


    Furry cows moo and decompress.

    1. @Wyrd, The “club” is “organized in Nevis” — which, I suppose, tells a lot of what you need to know. But they do claim there is a product: information, in the form of CDs, DVDs, and various other info-frauducts. And then there is the leadership/success “training” — but from what I have seen, most of the training involves how to sucker more people into GIN.

      You can go to the official site of the Global Information Network and click on the link that tells you How to Make Money, and that may answer some more of your question, or not. Most of the page is devoted to defending MLMs, though.

      For more and much better information, there’s a new-ish site called GINtruth.com, run by some ex-GIN members who are pretty pissed off. It’s well worth a read, IMO.

      But you pegged it, really: Most of what GIN delivers are promises and more promises. And the promises of more promises once you reach the highest levels.

      Of course, poor Bernd had NO idea it was all a fraud. My goodness, I am sure he was just as shocked as I wasn’t when he found out.

  8. Excellent start to a long and ugly outing of a disgusting lying animal.

    If I were to mention that Lenny C (as Bernd Klein) had his teeth bashed out with a bat by the father of an underage girl he molested and that lead to his name change and move out of Germany. Would that be a problem for this blog? Because if it is I won’t mention the molestation, the bat to the teeth of this lifelong martial artist or the possible reasons for his name changes. I guess he missed that day of martial art school where they dealt with bats to the face.

    If I can’t mention any of the above can I at least mention how lenny eats? He takes his teeth out and slobbers like a St Bernard. It is a disgusting display. I see Lenny’s few remaining supporters are trying to change the subject rather than defend Lenny. I guess they are realizing that it is impossible to defend this sociopath and are all looking for a back door out of this conversation.

    If I am wrong, feel free to step up and defend Lenny to me, if you can prove to me that Lenny has an education, has cured anyone etc I will gladly buy all of his shit products and attend a stupid seminar with him.

    1. @tom banjo ::

      I’m open to believing this story … but I’ve not been able to confirm it. Parts of it are for sure wrong … if you know how I could confirm it please come and talk to me.

      1. @SD,

        I will direct some people to the blog who know him better than I do. I am looking for some German folks to confirm the old news reports of his departure from Germany under several clouds and disgrace.

  9. With regard to the fake doctor’s fake credentials, I believe I read something on @Cosmic Connie’s blog a while back where someone had actually done the math on how long it would take a person to treat/cure that many people while also going for advanced degrees. (I’m 99% sure it was @Cosmic Connie’s blog or at least she linked to it because I can’t imagine where I would have read it if not there).

    And now I can’t find that bit to link to it (@Cosmic Connie, if you did provide that nugget of awesomeness can you put the link in here?). I’m telling you, the analysis and results were freaking hilarious and proved the fake doctor to be a real liar.

    1. @What the what,

      @SD’s article has a link to the @Cosmic Connie article you mention:
      cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/2012/05/paging-dr-c-bernd-bridges-in.html

      And in there yes she does quote from some commenter on another forum of a podcast “The Skeptic’s Guide to the Universe”.

      So… SGUF commenter scintillion as quoted on Connie’s blog wrote in the SGUF forums the following (in part)

      I’ve been trying to piece together his professional life story from his multiple web sites (he does not publish a chronological CV anywhere that I can find). However, using only information published by him, he has at least 2 “Doctor” degrees (DNM and NMD) and at least four PhDs, yet he practiced as a “general practitioner for 16 years” prior to devoting himself to curing stress related diseases such as cancer. He has cured 35000 patients of cancer, with a cure rate of more than 90%.

      Assuming that he began his advanced medical and PhD work at age 20, and that each degree took him 3 years to complete (I have never met anyone who completed a PhD or other doctorate in less than 3 years), the 6 degrees would take him 18 years to complete (minimum age 38). Let’s assume for simplicity that he did not actually work professionally with any of these degrees until completing his multiple educations since that merely extends his age to the absurd. He then spent “16 years in general practice” before devoting himself to curing cancer, which made him 54 when he started his cancer work. (Somewhere in the process he also served as consultant to numerous fortune 500 companies on business matters, getting rich quick and other schemes according to his website, but let’s assume he did that during evenings and weekends since it otherwise adds even more years to his age).

      So at age 54 he starts curing 35000 patients of cancer. It is reasonable to assume from his websites that virtually every patient he treated was cured, so he did not need to waste much time with patients who died of cancer. We need to understand that cancer is difficult to treat, so even someone of “Dr.” Coldwell’s prowess could not cure them in a single visit. Let’s assume that each patient required an average of 10 visits before they could be declared completely cured, and that each visit required 1 hour of the great man’s time. 35000 patients x 10 hour visits = 350,000 hours. Assuming that he worked 60 hour weeks x 50 weeks per year, he could handle 3000 visits, and cure 300 patients per year. At that rate, it would take him more than 100 years to cure 35,000 patients of cancer. During this same period, he was also writing numerous scholarly works, giving numerous acclaimed lectures, dealing with “Nobel Prize winners” as his “patients or students”. We can assume he was doing that extra work during evenings and weekends.

      Golly.

      Curious that a man of such prodigious accomplishments would be acclaimed on the internet only on his own websites (or those of his partner and “patient”, Mr. Kevin Trudeau, himself convicted multiple times of theft and fraud).

      Who would have thought that news of such a magnificent healer and humanitarian could be so effectively suppressed in the age of the internet? I marvel at the “cancer industry” and “tobacco lobby” in all their glorious omnipotence.

      It is kind of touching that such a great man would retain the authority of his cute little German accent, like so many of the great scientists (Freud, Einstein, Warburg, Krebs, Meyerhof, Schroedinger, Coldwell). Strange that such an adorable authority with his lovely German accent has such a non German name. (Incidentally, I found a reference in the Amazon reviews of one of his books from somebody who actually went to the trouble to look up four of the European institutions at which he had allegedly served with great distinction, and none of them had ever heard of him. Ungrateful!)

      1. @Wyrd, @Cosmic Connie,

        Thanks to both of you…silly what the what, not finding the very link I needed right there in Salty’s post…I must be getting soft.

        @Cosmic Connie, I suppose it would definitely be more possible (from a numbers perspective) if he started young. But even then, if he started at age 10 and is now 54, he would have to have cured 795.5 people per year every year. That is one efficient 10 year old.

    2. @What the what, I did indeed link to that comment on my own blog post(which Salty linked to above). However, since I wrote that post back in May of this year, I have seen more of Bernd’s biography, and it is clearer to me now that the story he apparently tells most frequently is that he was healing people from the time he was a child, beginning with his mother. He apparently did a lot of his “healing” work before and after he got his fake degrees. So that explains how he could have completely “cured” so many thousands of cancer patients over the years, though he is only 54. Anyway, here is the link to that comment you mentioned: http://tinyurl.com/8l9sdqg

      1. @Cosmic Connie, @Wyrd

        The claims are risible, but for what it’s worth – Scotland pretty much churns out the youngest Drs in the world – many are 22 when they graduate; one or two are as young as 21 (universities will take the occasional exceptional student from 5th year who’s aged 16 at the start of the course [unlike the US, medicine isn’t a postgraduate degree).

        As far as I know, most German Doctors are much older when they graduate. “Dr” Coldwell hasn’t graduated from any Scottish or UK university (he hasn’t got the correct initials) so that would suggest he was at least in his late twenties when he graduated. He’d then have to undergo an internship program (no shortcuts there, no matter how exceptional he is {or isn’t}

        …oh, sod it, I’m bored of typing now. These claims just cannot add up, OK?

        (and for those who might doubt I have a doctorate? I don’t – most UK doctors don’t either. The medical degree is a bachelor of medicine, bachelor of surgery in the UK; those who go on to get a doctorate are the exception rather than a rule. “Doctor” is therefore mostly a courtesy title in the UK. This might seem weird {or Wyrd}…but it’s wonderful for sticking it to PhDs {like my brother ;-)} who get sick of hearing “Oh I thought you were a real doctor?”)

  10. Sarah is a worthless cunt. Her Daddy should’ve worn a condom so I wouldn’t have to say anything to that bitch.

    1. @SarahSucks, @SD, it has come to my attention that Sarah has been making public accusations that SarahSucks’ comment was posted by me. Would you mind checking the IP address on the comment above, and verify whether it was or was not submitted by me. I’d appreciate it, as this is certainly not how I present myself, either online or in person, and don’t appreciate being the target of such defamatory accusations.

      Thanks.

      1. @RevRonsRants ::

        I know without looking that it wasn’t left by you :: or by any other fan of this site … or even by a regular hater of this site.

        A person on their first day here might have the misimpression that a fucking crap comment like that would be cheered on by me or the regular contributors … everyone else knows better.

        It was a first time commenter :: and here is their IP … 71.92.209.40 … just for record new people … I’m not big on tolerating deception.

  11. Just when I think I have heard enough yet another article on SD naggs my curiosity until I get to answer some of my questions, and get my own view.

    So – there is a Dr Leonard Coldwell who I have never heard of who it seems causes more people to die of cancer by causing them not to get proper treatment. Yet claims he has caused upwards of 30,000 people to save themselves from cancer. The problem is the prosecution witnesses will no longer be around to testify. Perhaps we will have some families relating their experiences of the reality behind the pitch – awful and disturbing though they may be.

    Going to his website – third video down – he says how he does it: “Every cancer can be cured in weeks!”.

    And then there is the problem – there are a whole load of good points that he makes, that I agree with – and the fundamental thesis, that stress can cause disease – I don’t think is way off the mark. Call me a quack.

    However he then comes up with the laughably absurd: “table salt has glass in it which scratches the arteries, and then your good cholesterol patches it up, which narrows the arteries”… good cholesterol like plaster? On scratched blood cells…. or…?

    Then the article here http://drleonardcoldwell.com/cancer/cancer-diet/ which has a large portion of good advice, and I have heard of people who have changed their diet and the cancer has gone.

    However – *giving* good valid information is an essential tactic for a fraud, as much as it is to be expected from a real professional.

    Then there are dozens of starry starry eyed people providing “brainwashedtimonials” – people who have taken the IBMS – Instinct Based
    Medicine System day course, and can’t wait to get onto the next ‘three day’ session – starting to sound horribly familiar.

    Which lead me back to SD’s article above, again, right on point – references to “Zenu” and being “cleared”….

    Just thinking…was Coldwell a Scientologist? Or did he just get hold of the book?

      1. @tom banjo, thanks – I am now a bit worried that I know too much about the sound a scientologist makes* – & please give some more background info or links if you have them.

        * but perhaps I’m not that clever, as Scientology is extreme MLM combined with psychological manipulation – which is what most of these IMs strive towards – some of them having an actual history in it should not be high odds guesswork.

        1. @Just Thinking,

          There is a site linked to Cosmic Connie’s blog. It is a german lawsuit that Coldwell lost and appealed. The decision seems to be that Coldwell is guilty of using brainwashing and other scientology techniques to lure and abuse followers. His legal response was “I know you are but what am I”

          1. @Tom Banjo,

            Thanks for clarifying the source. Google translate doesn’t deal with German legalese very well. That’s not surprising, given that native German speakers struggle with it too. I’m not a native speaker, but my German is good enough to be less at sea with it than google was.

            It’s actually civil case brought by Coldwell himself, complaining about someone who compared his methods to Scientology. His claim was denied.

            I’m not surprised by the confusion. German legalese tends to put everything in the passive voice and use grammar very subtly to indicate who did what to whom. (Connie also noted on her site she wasn’t sure how trustworthy the translation was people.)

            1. @Yakaru,

              If anyone knows why I wrote the word “people” at the end of that comment, please let me know. I never talk like that. Was it a typo? WTF?

            2. @Yakaru, @Tom Banjo: I am working, even as we speak, on a long overdue correction of the parts of my original (May 2012)”Bernd bridges” post where I tried to make sense of the fractured Googlish. Thanks to Yakaru I think I finally understand the essentials.

              As Yak indicated, in that original post I included a disclaimer saying that I really wasn’t sure what the document said. I vowed to make corrections when I got them. Well, now that I have a better understanding I will make corrections, but I am taking my time to do so because I want to get it right this time. :-)

              Even so, my basic points about Bernd/Leonard are, I feel, still very valid, although apparently only the tip of the iceberg. In any case, the main point of my blog post was not so much to blow the lid off of anything as to encourage more people to ask questions about this little charlatan.

              At the time, I was particularly concerned about the newly disillusioned and shell-shocked GIN members who were being led on by Coldwell’s promises that he was initiating a class action lawsuit against Trudeau and GIN on their behalf. I feared these people were pinning their hopes on more false promises and, more significantly, I feared they were substituting one smarmy “leader” for another.

            3. @Yakaru,

              Thanks for the clarification. My assumption that he was suing because he was brought up on charges of brainwashing was partly due to the person he was suing. Karin Petrow – something. A little research into her shows that she was an exposer and closer of dangerous cults and sects in Germany. Coldwell was suing her (or appealing a previous suit) because she accused him of brainwashing and scientology

              I’m not sure where we can find more info about this case, or others like it since it seems that bernd has been involved in several legal battles over his good works in Germany.

  12. Is there any way to remove myself from these email comments?

    I have zero desire to continue this inane crap with you people.

    All i asked for was some solid proof of these horrible accusations being made.
    I personally feel it is very unprofessional of Salty Droid to accuse someone of something like this and then say “oh, ill back it up later in coming blogs”… childish….

    1. @Sarah Barendse, You’re in control of unsubscribing my dear.

      I don’t think laying out a step by step case of fraud in this manner is childish – it’s smart. Do you think people would really read through a 2000+ word article/report in one shot?

      SD ALWAYS has evidence to back up the claims. They may seem like they are out of left field at first but seeing the evidence brings it all to light.

      Sorry that you got pulled into feeling like you were being bullied. It’s really just a symptom of being on this site and being used to new people coming in and bashing SD and supporting the scammers out of left field.

    2. @Sarah Barendse, the means of removing YOURSELF from the email notifications is cleverly concealed at the bottom of each of those notifications.

      And I’d ask you to realize that an accusation is “childish” only if one has nothing to support the accusation. And you know what I’m talking about.

    3. @Sarah Barendse,

      This is not childish. It is strategic. I guarantee @SD has evidence to back his claim. Also, I guarantee the Dr. has zero valid evidence of having cured anybody who was actually sick. Zero.

    4. @Sarah Barendse ::

      More importantly … is there a way to “remove yourself” so it’s like you never even saw this place?

      Nope … is the answer.

      And you won’t be able to stop yourself from coming back to read the second article either … no matter how many mantras you put in your juicer.

      It’s fun what you did here :: because I already explained to people that read the site … that this is a Naomi type situation. Then you show up first thing demanding the evidence that I obviously have :: just like you know … a total Naomi situation.

      But you’re like :: “Droid I have no idea what you’re talking about” … yeah I know … that’s one of your disadvantages here. Stay tuned for the others.

  13. This guy. And Kevin Tredeau. These are the guys who have duped my parents into believing they don`t need doctors or can lose 30 lbs. in 30 days by drinking reverse osmosis water. My dad is sick and though he won`t admit it, ever, it`s because of the gibberish these wankers put out in books that target the elderly.

    Tredeau is the culprit! This plunker needs to stay in jail. If he can`t learn how to obey the stipulations placed upon him, then stay in jail. He hasn`t helped anyone.

    **Fuming**

  14. I have not heard nor read anything in any of Dr. Coldwell’s books that would lead me to believe he is not exactly who he says he is. His association with Trudeau was innocent enough. He was duped as were many of us. That should not be held against him. Until such time as EVIDENCE to the contrary is presented, I will continue to have faith in him and honor him as the good, decent man he is (Coldwell, not Trudeau).

    Let me know when you have something concrete that goes beyond your opinion. Then I will reassess the situation.

    MrsDon French

    1. @MrsDon French ::

      Mrs. French … let’s start with he’s lying about all his credentials. I tried to track down his degrees … and I found that he didn’t have any.

      I’m only in possession of one doctorate … but that’s enough for me to know that people with advanced professional or research degrees don’t tend to write like 12 year olds sniffing glue.

      1. @SD,

        Umm. You haven’t read much writing by medics, have you? It’s mostly awful. {insert joke about my writing here}. But I fear I’m not representative.

        Even so, you are of course correct. This charlatan is clearly a joke. Poor writers though most medics are, they are at least literate.

        {or my colleagues and I don’t care about patients and only care about perpetuating the Cancer Industry™…yeah, that’s it. Ignore my impassioned comment below}

        *sigh*

        1. @Dr Geek, Well, in all fairness, English is Lenny’s second language, and — giving credit where it is due — he does speak and write far better English than I do German, though the bar is pretty low because I neither speak nor write German. For some of his published works I imagine he uses ghostwriters/collaborators. In any case, it is not even necessary to criticize his grammar and spelling, just his outrageous claims about… everything.

          1. @Cosmic Connie ::

            But your not living in Germany calling yourself a doctor :: claiming to have eight advanced degrees … and claiming to cure cancer. If you were … I’d expect nothing less than impeccable German from you or I’d suspect you were a fraud.

            And by impeccable … I mean not totally fucking ridiculous. It’s not the grammar so much as the ignorant and incoherent nature of the stuff … the raging prattles of a mad man.

          2. @Cosmic Connie,

            Ja,sicher. Ich kann nur ein kleines bisschen Deutsch sprechen.

            Mais je peux parler en Français si vous voulez?

            ;-)

            1. @Cosmic Connie

              You also have a good point. I let my ire overpower my courtesy and fairness…and I fear my response to you could be interpreted as snotty. Please accept my apologies – it wasn’t my intent at all.

            2. @Dr Geek, No worries… I’ve been so busy going back and forth between conversations, and trying to finish up a deadline project at the same time, that I hadn’t had a chance to run your response through Google Translate.

    2. @MrsDon French, I think I can understand about why you wouldn’t think doctor doctor doctor doctor Coldwell, PHD. might night be the fraud since he hasn’t been shown up featured on Oprah yet.

    3. @MrsDon French, precisely how do you KNOW that his association with Trudeau was “innocent enough?” Because he has claimed as much? He has also made numerous other claims that have been proven false. I would suggest that a healthy skepticism as to his claims is warranted, and felt so even before seeing any of the evidence that refuted those claims, among other more serious things.

    4. @MrsDon French,

      His association with Trudeau was innocent enough.

      I’m sorry, but there’s no such thing as an innocent association with Kevin Lying-ScamMan Trudeau:

      FTC v. Kevin Trudeau: The Seventh Circuit Rules

      Judge Orders Kevin Trudeau to Pay More Than $37 Million for False Claims About Weight-Loss Book

      FTC: Marketer Kevin Trudeau Violated Prior Court Order

      Kevin Trudeau Banned from Infomercials

      What Kevin Trudeau doesn’t want you to know

      All I did was google “ftc kevin trudeau”. But wait. I know. The FTC are a part of the conspiracy, right? I’m weary now.

      1. @Wyrd, while I agree with you that there is no such thing as an innocent association with Trudeau — at least not at the level at which Coldwell was associated with him — I do want to stress that like Sarah Barendse, MrsDon French now counts herself among the disillusioned regarding Kevin Trudeau and GIN.

        I “met” MrsDon on the same Facebook forums where I “met” Sarah. And as a matter of fact, though I cannot speak specifically for MrsDon or Sarah, I do recall that there have been several posts on those forums urging people to complain to the FTC (as well as to the Illinois Attorney General’s office) about GIN, particularly if they feel they have money owed to them.

        It is a tad ironic, of course, given the general anti-government stance taken by so many of Trudeau/Coldwell’s fans and former fans — and even more ironic is that Leonard Coldwell himself has urged people to go to the FTC to complain about “the lying con man/cult leader” Trudeau, despite this:
        http://drleonardcoldwell.com/disclaimer/
        [Scroll down to FTC, FDA, etc. Disclaimer]

        The larger issue here, in my view — and the point I believe you were trying to make, Wyrd — is that apparently there were thousands of people who didn’t do their due diligence regarding Trudeau. And they so easily could have found an abundance of evidence that might have made them think twice about GIN. (Quite apart from that utterly stupid story Trudeau told about having been a member of a seekrit society — a tale he used and still uses to market GIN.)

        I made all of these points repeatedly not only on my blog over the years but also, more recently, on the FB forums. Regarding the latter, I realized I probably came across as being a self-righteous, I-told-you-so bitch, so I have tried to step back on that.

        In any event, I can’t count the number of threads I have seen over the past few months on the private and semi-private Facebook groups for the ex-GIN, etc. — people sharing links to old exposes and critical articles about Trudeau and his criminal history, as if they were discovering them for the very first time. Better late than never, though.

        It’s not just the FTC stuff either. While there haven’t been that many TV exposes (apart from John Stossel’s bit for ABC a few years back), there is lots of other negative info about Trudeau on the Web. There is, for instance, a whole series of documents on the Smoking Gun web site related to Trudeau’s conviction and prison sentence back in the early 1990s (“Would you buy a used cure from this man?”). This information, some of which has been up on the Web since 2005 and before, was freely available to anyone with Internet access. But people were either unwilling to do any research about Trudeau, or they bought into his own spin on how the government, health establishment, etc. have it out for him because he is a whistle-blower.

        Add to this the fact that GIN was very cleverly marketed, and for various reasons people did so want to believe. And at least some people apparently really believed that GIN could help change the world in a good way.

        At any rate, the whistle-blower/martyr lie is precisely the same spin Coldwell has used to bolster his own schemes — in fact, Coldwell’s tales of having his life constantly threatened are, if anything, more dramatic than Trudeau’s. Big Pharma and the government (both the German and American government) are out to “get” poor Bernd. That is why, even as more evidence surfaces about Coldwell, it may be a hard sell for some people who will insist that Coldwell is the real victim.

        1. @Wyrd, Looking back over my hastily written comment above, it occurs to me that I may have misrepresented the “larger point” that I imagined you were trying to make. I really wasn’t trying to make it a blame-the-victim scenario (people failing to do due diligence) and I seriously doubt that you were either. I want to make it clear that I believe the real culprit here (besides Kevin Trudeau) is Leonard Coldwell — not Sarah or MrsDon or anyone else who joined GIN in good faith, or who believed Trudeau or Coldwell. Both men are VERY good manipulators, after all. My apologies if, once again, I am coming across as being self-righteous.

          1. @Cosmic Connie,

            You’re fine, Connie. My post was probably confusing.

            I think after I started writing it, I wound up reliving the one time I happened to encounter and confront a fan of Kevin Trudeau in real life.

            It went about as well as you might expect. It’s like if two people with different religions meet up and one of them (me) tries to tell the other one they’re wrong. (dumb move on my part) Showing him print outs of FTC actions against Trudeau didn’t do anything because, of course, Kevin had already informed his converts that the FTC was just trying to keep a good man down or whatever.

            I should just be calm and friendly instead, I know. It’s hard though.

            1. @Wyrd, @Cosmic Connie

              That’s an excellent point from both of you. So easy to mount “Troll Response 101” when we should be focusing on explaining our point of view.

              And Coldwell is the target. For sure.

  15. Well, I for one am delighted to see that you have some new readers, Salty. Hi, MrsDon! Hello there, Sarah! Nice to see y’all here! (Waves)…

    Wait, they’re not waving back. (Pouts)

  16. @SD

    Rip the metaphorical heart out of this fucker, Salty. Rip it out and stamp it into the floor. And that’s not even for the serious accusations of sexual assault. I can’t even bring myself to think of them right now

    For the record, this isn’t because of any doubt about the veracity of such allegations; I know better than that. They’ll be revealed in due course.

    I’m at pretty much maximum rage altitude before they’re revealed.

    It’s not even because of the money stolen from the most desperate of people under the most false pretences.

    Heinous as this undoubtedly is, it pales into insignificance against the theft of life. I have to pick up the aftermath of this scum. I see the loss of hope when the realisation finally dawns, and they turn toward conventional therapy…often to find the cancer has spread to other organs and they’re no longer eligible for potentially curative treatment. The “lucky” ones manage to buy some time. The unlucky ones…die.

    I’ve seen the spouses, their friends their children living with the effects of bastards like this.

    Show him no mercy.

      1. @RevRonsRants,

        I’ve had to tell people their cancer had spread while they’d been exploring “alternative” treatments. I’ve had to tell their kids.

      1. @SD,

        Every time I think you might be nearing the deepest depths of Scamworld, you go deeper and darker than ever.

        You might need to ask James Cameron if you can borrow his bathysphere if you have to go any deeper…

    1. @Dr Geek,
      I agree with everything you wrote there.

      Except that I’m lucky I have a Bachelor’s in computer science instead of medicine. So I haven’t had to go through the experience of telling sick people they waited too long.

      I’m sorry that happened to you. And I’m sorry it happened to them.

      I really hate quacks. They do much harm.

    2. @Dr Geek,

      So well said! You have to be a special kind of fucked up to rob people of the opportunity to fight for their lives.

      I can’t even imagine what it must be like to have to tell someone their mom or dad could have survived but they missed their chance…and I can’t even imagine what it must be like to have to hear that news.

      1. @What the what, @Wyrd,

        I have to say I don’t tell everyone they missed their chance – there’s enough heartbreak at these times without adding to it. Sometimes it feels right to share that, most times it doesn’t. Those who need it confirmed tend to ask – and they always get the truth.

        No matter what route you go down, it’s never easy…even for the doctor. That’s why I wasn’t my usual urbane self in this comment – too damn angry.

  17. So I got in touch with my “Inner Lanna”, and got my “Jack” on to do some research.

    After all, the “the world’s leading authority for Cancer cures based on independent studies” would undoubtedly have published a huge number of studies…wouldn’t he? And they’d have to be published in reputable, peer-reviewed journals…wouldn’t they?

    So I went onto the Knowledge Network to search Medline: no hits with or without quotes; in contrast, I have 3 (there are others when you search for my name, but three of the publications are mine). Thinking it was perhaps an issue with the database, I tried pubmed…and got exactly the same.

    Nada. Zip. Zilch. Bupkiss. De rien.

    A lack of evidence which, ironically, is damning evidence.

    The man is a charlatan.

    1. @Dr Geek,

      Your “Inner Lanna” did more work than this Lanna was going to do! I agree with @Just Thinking that the stress thing isn’t without merit, but anybody who agrees to an interview with Kevin Trudeau immediately loses all credibility.

      In the video he says the German equivalent of the NIH told his mother she had two years to live, but the NIH doesn’t diagnose individual patients. They fund research and disseminate information. And then the SiO2 in the NaCl?

      Plus I trust that Connie and Salty wouldn’t be investigating if he was just your everyday CAM practitioner.

      I must say it’s quite, um, unusual for such a “well-educated” “medical professional” to not turn up at all in PubMed. PubMed indexes the crap journals as well as the good ones. They index all the authors. They index informal reviews, opinion pieces and letters to the editor. They index plenty of languages – definitely German. There are even processes to get articles into PubMed even if the journals they’re published in don’t submit to PubMed.

      Anyway, if it looks like a quack and sounds like a quack …

      1. @Lanna,

        Interesting to see he has 3 fewer than me – and I make no claim to be an academic medic, let alone a world authority.

        I don’t want to come across as being totally down on complementary therapies, either. While I’m deeply suspicious of many, there are some which do seem to have an effect. And even the placebo effect is an effect. There are plenty of areas where the conventional medical model is sadly lacking, and many people (me included) find relief in complementary therapies when conventional medicine was missing

        The problem comes when “complementary” therapies are branded as “alternative”. This leads desperate patients down the wrong path and, in the case of cancer in particular, leaves them seeking conventional treatment far later. And they might just have missed their window for potentially curative treatment.

        If anyone “changed their diet and the cancer has gone” I’d be very suspicious of the original diagnosis – it may be the biopsy was misinterpreted. Whilst it would be wonderful if this could happen, I don’t think it really does.

        If anyone reading this has been using these “remedies” for serious illness, please make contact with medical professionals as soon as possible – I’d urge you to explore conventional therapies, and to make your decision on treatment based on their advice. (that’s not to say people with cancer should be brow-beaten into accepting treatment – it’s a very personal decision and the only person who can really evaluate whether “the game is worth the candle” (whether the potential benefits of treatment outweigh the likely burden).

        But this has to be an informed discussion. There is no place for the dishonest practitioner.

        1. @Dr Geek, what about Gerson therapy dr Geek that is crap that its wrong diagnosis and what about the people who die using conventional treatments and chemotherapy thats ok I Guess.

          1. @john,

            I’ll bet there are some other sites out there where you can have a nice, long discussion about the merits of various cancer treatments. The point here is that it’s not OK to lie about your credentials, it’s not OK to sexually abuse anyone, and it’s not OK to discourage people with cancer from pursuing any treatment options – complementary or conventional – as soon as possible. There is no place for the dishonest practitioner – in CAM or in allopathic medicine.

          2. @john, Well, I had to look up Gerson Therapy, but as I suspected, it’s total quackery. Gerson based his initial claims on a very small number of cases- and refused to provide enough information that his claims could be checked independently. As with Trudeau he saw this as evidence that there was a conspiracy against him- and his treatment. He wouldn’t allow randomized clinical trials and instead used client ‘testimonials’ (where, oh where have we heard that before… Oh, yeah… From every other scammer in the book…). Some of the people he claimed to have cured were checked by doctors and found to still have cancer.

            So, john, I’m sorry if you or a loved one has a kind of cancer that has a very low five year survival rate. But the coffee enemas won’t help.

            1. @Wanderlost, they did and it has . You checked it out and how did u do that exactly in 5 mins and then discard it as quackery your ignorance is astounding

            2. @John,

              You seem to be purposely missing everyone’s point when they are making honest attempts to carry on a discussion with you. Your interactions here seem to be disingenuous. You state

              You checked it out and how did u do that exactly in 5 mins and then discard it as quackery

              If you look at the top of your comment mentioning Gerson Therapy and then at the top of @Wanderlost’s comment you will notice that he* commented about 2 hours later than you. That’s the only piece of actual evidence about how much time was spent researching. The only thing you could have said with certainty is that he couldn’t possibly learn all he needed to know in 2 hours. But you didn’t do that, you made things up that you can’t possibly know to be true (spent only 5 minutes checking it out) and stated it as if it was reality. Then you went into name calling.

              Plus you completely ignored the very valid and real questions presented. Why won’t Gerson allow independent testing of his therapy to prove its effectiveness and why would he chose testimonials to “prove” his claims rather than proper double blind scientific trials?

              *@wanderlost, from your prior comments I had the impression you were a he. If I am mistaken you have my apologies.

          3. @john,

            How, if at all, are you associated with Dr.^4 Coldwell and/or Trudeau? Have you been a member of any of their “clubs”? Have you purchased any of their products? Have you ever made any money or attempted to make any money by referring people to any “club” or product of either Coldwell or Trudeau?

            1. @What the what, no to all your questions I’m waiting for Trudeau to go down because he’s a billshitter coldwell I wouldn’t know but am waiting for some proof

          4. @john,

            I’m delighted your loved one (or you) improved on the Gerson plan. But I fear the plan isn’t what helped.

            I’ve read some of the review articles on Gerson therapy – sadly, I fear all of the 6 studies which report positive findings have serious methodological flaws which render them invalid (such as excluding patients “lost to follow up” in the Gerson group – some very likely died). I can’t provide you detailed evidence on this blog – it’s not the purpose of this blog as @Lanna has rightly pointed out. If you want, we could probably work out some way to have this discussion via email?

            I’m always open to new therapies, and I’m certainly no stooge for Big Pharma. But as Lanna said, Dr Coldwell is lying to his patients, draining their money and hope when they are at their most desperate.

            1. @john

              Sorry, that was me. And I’m sorry I couldn’t reply ASAP – but I was working today with lunchtime meetings, so no time to post.

              There was an awful story of a Scottish family who’d travelled in desperation to Tijuana for cancer treatment for their young daughter; she deteriorated still further and her parents had all sorts of difficulties getting her home. When their accounts were frozen due to a banking software glitch, there were reports the “holistic” hospital had threatened to switch off her life support.

              This wasn’t the Gerson clinic, but a similarly dubious one in Tijuana…
              http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/06/false-hope-4-cancer.html

              Even when traditional medicine has been exhausted, these treatments can have a high price in many ways (false hope, risk of being stranded far from home and most importantly wasting what little time you have left)

          5. I always wondered whether it was Gerson stuff that took Steve Jobs from having a fairly good chance of survival to dead via delaying conventional treatment

            1. @Naked Chicken, @turtle shells

              It was the cancer which killed him.

              That said, my understanding is his cancer would have been amenable to conventional therapy (unlike most pancreatic cancers) as it was a neuroendocrine tumour. And the treatment would have been far less toxic than standard chemotherapy.

              It’s probably best to leave things there. Mr Jobs left behind a family, and endless armchair opinions on the net can’t be helpful.

            2. @Naked Chicken said:

              “@Naked Chicken, funny I always wondered if the conventional therapy was what killed him…”

              From the horse’s mouth:

              “Steve Jobs regretted his decision to delay having potentially life-saving surgery for his pancreatic cancer, his biographer has revealed.

              After being diagnosed with the cancer in 2004, Jobs embarked on a series of alternative therapies including spiritual healing, said Walter Isaacson, author of the upcoming biography Steve Jobs.

              Despite pleas from his family to have surgery, Jobs initially refused, Isaacson said, in an interview for CBS News 60 Minutes to be broadcast on Sunday.

              The co-founder of Apple, who died this month after a long battle with the disease, had been told he had a very slow growing type of pancreatic cancer, and that his was one of the 5% “that can actually be cured”.

              Isaacson said that Jobs, after his diagnosis, “tries to treat it with diet, he goes to spiritualists, he goes through various ways of doing it macrobiotically – and he doesn’t get an operation.”

              Asked why not, Isaacson told CBS: “I’ve asked him that and he said: ‘I didn’t want my body to be opened, I didn’t want to be violated in that way.’ He’s regretful about it.”

              Interviewer Steve Kroft asked why “such a smart man could do such as stupid thing”. Isaacson said: “I think he kind of felt: if you ignore something you don’t want to exist, you can have magical thinking. It had worked for him in the past. He’d regret it.”

              His wife, Laurene, and others around Jobs convinced him to “quit trying to treat it with all these roots and vegetables and things” and have the surgery nine months later.

              But when he finally had the operation it may have been too late, said Isaacson, as the cancer had already spread to the tissues surrounding the pancreas.”

              http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/21/steve-jobs-cancer-surgery-regret

  18. also dr geek have you had to tell people and theyre kids that the chemo didnt work and they r going to die so whats the difference that u believe chemo works and other therapies dont because you have no peer reviews doesnt mean they dont work.There are always more than one side to the story I had a friend of mine a pharmacist who used to work in oncology dept and gave up , i asked him why and he said he got depressed because no one got better hed prepare all these doses of chemo and watched what it did to people and couldnt do it anymore

    1. @john,

      I think you have completely missed the point. The point is that people are being lied to. The point is that Dr ^4th Caldwell is lying. He is lying about his degrees. He is lying about the number of people he has “cured”. I’d even go so far as to say he is lying about the fact that he has even “cured” anyone. He is lying about so, so, so many things. And people who are sick are being robbed of their opportunity to make very important decisions and being robbed of their opportunity to fight for their own lives so that Dr. ^4th Caldwell can make a buck.

      This isn’t about whether we are for or against traditional medicine. This isn’t about whether people who choose chemo therapy still die. This is about people who target the very sick because they know that people who are very sick are vulnerable and desperate to live (or at least enough of them are).

      1. @What the what, fair enough but how do you kinow that for sure cause salty posted it show us the proof thats all Im saying

        1. @john,

          Slow your roll man. You’re running around here with your fists flying (figuratively). I’ve been on this site for a while and based on my observations I’ve found that the Droid always comes up with the goods and 4 time Dr Coldwell’s claims about his background and healing abilities don’t pass the sniff test. So no, I don’t know for sure…but I’ve got a pretty good idea.

    2. @john ::

      It takes a strong person to work in oncology … or a pediatric burn unit … or a combat hospital … or a spinal unit … knowing that often the state of the art won’t save the patient from death or destruction. But there are millions of people doing that super hard shit right now while you type gibberish … trying {imperfectly} to get better at the business of making things better for the sick.

      You don’t have to always succeed … because it feels good to know that you’re trying.

      When someone doesn’t come in until it’s too late because they’ve been lied to by horrible liars with nothing but the shallowest of greedy intentions :: that’s people hurting people … and it’s a totally different kind of fucked.

      1. @SD, and your whole post is gibberish the way you write is gibberish so cough up some proof instead of a bunch of smart arse crap . If he’s doing this stuff prove it salty im totally against that shit too but your writing a whole bunch of smart ass bullshit does nothing but make u look stupid . And the reason I mention the natural therapies is because there is obviously a huge skeptism about it by u and your followers .

        1. @john ::

          And the reason I mention the natural therapies is because there is obviously a huge skeptism about it by u and your followers .

          Not really … I don’t know anything about it. I’m an expert on Internet lies … and Internet liars … and based on that expertise I didn’t even lookup whatever stupid shit you mentioned because I know you’re being disingenuous.

          1. @SD, no I’m not being disingenuous your a paranoid fool salty fairly self righteous as well and I’m no friend of coldwell either but show us the proof instead of being a smart arse

          2. @SD, and your an expert on internet lies ,and which university did you receive your degree for this expertise at or is it just your opinion

      1. @john,

        When comments get a certain number of up votes it automatically says “WINNER!”. ( see some of the ones marked in yellow above) next to it meaning the comment is a “winning” comment. After a certain number of downvotes it says “LOSER!” meaning the comment is a loser. If it gets many upvotes and a near equal number of downvotes it will be marked “MUCH DEBATED” or something similar.

        No one went in and specifically wrote that to you personally.

    3. @john, Sorry, I missed this one last night.

      Cancer is a miserable collection of illnesses. Chemotherapy is a poison which kills rapidly dividing cells, and causes a huge number of problems. It’s also ineffectual in too many cases.

      but it’s the best thing we’ve got

      If there was the slightest chance of these alternative therapies being effective, big pharma would’ve found a way to exploit it. Or are you arguing they’re just not that ruthlessly capitalist? I think not, somehow.

      http://xkcd.com/808/

      Right, I’m done here. I know the dangers of troll-feeding, but wanted to have a riposte for those desperate souls who might’ve found this page as part of their due diligence on Not-Dr Coldwell.

      1. @Dr Geek, and how would big pharma exploit no drugs organic foods and coffee enemas much smarter to discredit gerson and promote their Own products . In fact if the population followed the basics of gerson therapy drug sales would drop dramatically as would rates of diabetes and cvd but that’s not in the interest of big pharma .

        1. @,

          [ Disclaimer: I am still not a medical doctor. I’ve done some dieting in my time, and so I like to think I know a little about nutrition. I have no license or whatever. ]

          The coffee enema thing really got me. Actually, it still does.

          Quoting from the Gerson therapy page

          An abundance of nutrients from copious amounts of fresh, organic juices are consumed every day, providing your body with a super-dose of enzymes, minerals and nutrients.

          Uh, ok. There’s a lot of vague there. I mean, it’s good to eat healthy sure. But I don’t see why spiffy eating habits would have any effect on the fact that you’ve got tumor causing cells spreading through your body.

          These substances then break down diseased tissue in the body,

          How? Do the people that wrote this paragraph have any idea as to how cancer actually works or what it actually is? ‘cuz my friends over at The Real World Of Knowing Fact-y Facts have a pretty good explanation:
          http://youtu.be/LEpTTolebqo

          while coffee enemas aid in eliminating toxins from the liver.

          That sentence makes no sense.

          One more quote from the website

          Dr. Max Gerson developed the Gerson Therapy in the 1930s, initially as a treatment for his own debilitating migraines, and eventually as a treatment for degenerative diseases such as skin tuberculosis, diabetes and, most famously, cancer.

          Dr. Max should have quit while he was ahead. It’s sorta vaguely plausible to me that, for some weird psychological reason, changing his diet and giving himself coffee enemas helped Dr. Max with his migraines.

          The quoted text says he came up with this in the 1930s. Has it undergone any changes since then? ’cause not changing is often a sign of something being not science-y. In the world of Real Medicine old protocols and procedures are routinely obsoleted by newer ones that work better.

          The quoted text says the “therapy” works for diabetes. The dietary changes would probably be effective for the treatment of Type II (not Type I) diabetes. But the coffee enemas wouldn’t have anything to do with that. If the dietary changes were effective, it would be because it’s possible to control Type II diabetes with diet (and exercise!), and you’re going to want a diet that’s basically really, really healthy. The organic food thing should work provided you make sure to get enough protien from somewhere.

          You can still eat meat and successfully control your type II diabetes though. It’s the Big Gulps and junk food and cakes that’ll get ya.

          Coffee enemas….

          Does someone have a credible, reliable reference as to how squirting coffee up ones bum (as opposed to a saline solution) has any medical benefit?

          1. @Wyrd, and type 1 some people actually with type 1 which amazed me but true.I will look for stuff on the enemas

        2. @,

          And what about the side effects?
          I’m not going to debate this much further, but if pharma were to find Gerson effective you can be sure they’d find a way to manufacture enemata (the pleural of “enema” FWIW) which increased delivery of active ingredient, just as they’d buy up clinics in which to provide said therapies.

          But you don’t seem to be amenable to reason.

          @Wyrd

          You’re right about change – I graduated in 98 and some treatments are unrecognisable.

    1. @Gary Cook, Is that why my McAfee Site Advisor flashes red when I click on the link to your websites?

    2. @Gary Cook, the above article is a strong piece about someone who right minded people (*not haters*) would classify as a henious fraud.

      You post a link to the section of the Empower MLM easy way to money scammer website run by David Wood and David Sharpe where you have a page.

      It seems, if you are a 3d individual, that you are a tier three wanabee scammer, without the wit to realise that posting a link to your ‘legitimate business’ from this site will help kill it off. The two Davids will not love you for it.

      If you find an ounce of decency, in your inner self, and read this site some more, you will find out that it is not about *haters* but about integrity and priciples, and talks about people who lack them, entirely.

      Good luck.

    3. @Gary Cook, Ironically, calling anyone critical of misdeeds “haters” is the typical response of the scammers and their followers to any challenge whatsoever. And as I stated in another forum, those who proclaim their integrity most loudly are frequently those who engage in unethical practices themselves. I’m not implying that this necessarily applies to your own practices, but it does tend to raise questions in objective people’s minds, and doesn’t serve your interests well.

  19. “This entire GIN issue is done. […] But I don’t want to lose any of you because you became friends and family members over time. And you are close to me… and I miss you… so come to my September Bootcamp.”

    Gosh, Dr.C’s authenticity is just amazing!

    1. @Ryan Healy, Yeah, that’s pretty much what Lenny was spouting back in May of this year, when the GIN sh-t was really hitting the fan, at least on Facebook. Lenny got the troops all pumped about his own upcoming event (held on the weekend of June 9-10), promising them they’d get details on the class action lawsuit he was filing against GIN and KT on their behalf. Mostly what they got instead were pitches for a new MLM, and when asked about the lawsuit he simply told ’em that his lawyer was instructing him to stay mum about it for now.

      In the following weeks and months he continued to invite people to send their sob stories about GIN to him, supposedly to bolster the lawsuit that was supposedly still in the process of being filed.

      Three months later, most of the disillusioned seem to have given up on the lawsuit, at least as a means to get any of their money back, but some are still apparently looking to Coldwell as a powerful ally in the fight against GIN and Trudeau. And he is still feeding them the story that he, too, was a victim and was duped. And some of them are still apparently believing it.

      By the way, his September bootcamp is just a few days away: September 7-9 in Charlatan, SC. I mean Charleston.

  20. not-Dr. Coldwell talks about medicine like as if he knows what he’s talking about. But I don’t buy it.

    I’m not a medical doctor nor do I have any sort of doctorate. But then, as far as we can tell, neither does Coldwell. So I feel like I’m on an equal footing with him for the purposes of talking about medical maladies.

    From the Coldwell interview with KT, I transcribed this (accurate to the best of my knowledge, but I was in a hurry. If there are errors, it was accidental.)

    “Basically every illness is based on lack of energy. And stress is the main cause of lack of energy.

    “Stress is not what we usually think that stress is. Stress is more the hidden things that bother us like worries doubts fears, personal insecurities. Our lack of self-esteem. Stress comes from the daily fears . . .
    “Whenever we percieve a threat, we instantly produce stress hormones. And these stress hormones lead to a fight or flight mechanisms.”

    It’s good that he defined what he means by “stress” because in a health context that word is very poorly defined. [1 – wikipedia]

    So we’ll go with his definition–that stress is “stress hormones” [2 – google/wikipedia] brought on by bad, everyday life sh*t.

    I grant him that there may be a causal link between chronic stress and a reduction in the functioning of the immune system. [3 – apa.org]

    I’ll even grant that chronic stress can cause or be a contributing factor to certain kinds of poopy, icky health conditions. [4 – Understanding How Stress Can Make You Sick – For Dummies blurb page]

    But all of that is still not sufficient to support his statement that “every illness is based on lack of energy.” [emphasis added of course]

    What does he mean by “energy”? He neglected to define it. Let’s assume that by “lack of energy” he means basically “feeling run down”.

    Ok. So is “feeling run down” the basis for every illness? No. It’s not. “feeling run down” could probably account for many of the common things that make people who are in otherwise great health feel like they’re not in great health. “feeling run down” could conceivably cause or (for some of these examples) be a symptom of:
    lack of sleep;
    vitamin or mineral deficiency;
    temporary/transitory depression;
    anxiety;
    not-so-temporary clinical depression;
    some other mental illness;
    hypochondria;
    some sort of genetic disorder;
    a common cold which was able to gain a foothold via your slightly weakened immune system;
    any one of many Really Bad Life Limiting Or Terminal Illnesses that I don’t want to start listing out by name ‘cuz even just worrying about health can also make you unhealthy;

    But how will you be able to tell if your “lack of energy” problem is serious or not? Well that’s what Real Licensed Doctors and Nurses are for.

    In any case that’s just the tip of the ice berg when it comes to sickness! There are so many ways that your body can be not hail and hearty. And you only ever have control over some of the risk factors, never all of them.
    Wikipedia sez “There are four main types of disease”[5 – Wikipedia]. So let me list the categories as they were on the page, then briefly explain each in turn:
    * pathogenic disease — disease caused by an infectious agent most commonly a bacterium or virus
    * deficiency disease — A disease caused by the lack of some essential or important element in the diet, usually a particular vitamin or mineral. [google]
    * hereditary disease — genetic disorders
    * physiological disease — AFAICT this is a catch-all for any physiological disease that might not clearly fall into one of the above categories. For example, we don’t know the exact cause of Alzheimer’s yet, but it’s clearly a physiological disease. I think this part of the Wiki page could stand a re-write. But remember again–I’m not a doctor and I don’t claim to be one

    “feeling run down” / “lack of energy” might be a symptom of some severe life threatening condition or it might mean almost nothing, at least from the stand point of “stuff we understand and can treat or cure with Real Medicine”.

    —————–

    It’s easy to be overwhelmed by complexity. So the desire to look for a simple way to explain why your body doesn’t feel well is understandable. But it’s dangerous to take medical advice from someone that isn’t properly licensed. Yes, that includes me.

    At this pont, I desperately want to go on with the listing of links that show why listening to quacks is dangerous and bad. But most of the people that need to know it know it, and most of the people that don’t want to know it won’t listen. So I dunno how effective that would be at the end of the day.

    —————–

    FWIW, not-Dr. Coldwell is a Damn Liar. His kind of lies are far worse than the lies of Internet Marketing-Get Rick Quick scammers. What IM-Get Rich folks do is lie and say they’ll get you rich. Instead you get poor. What “alternative health” quacks do is lie and say they know the Secret Cures for Everything. Instead, if you’re lucky and you weren’t really sick to begin with, you only get poor. If you’re unlucky, you get more and more sick and then dead.

    If you are a believer in alternative medicine, I implore you: please start holding your gurus accountable! Don’t make excuses for them. If not-Dr. Coldwell says he has a bunch of medical degrees and he can’t prove it, then it’s time to find yourself a new guru. Keep on with that approach. Pretty soon you’ll start to see a pattern.


    Furry cows moo and decompress.

    1. @Wyrd,

      He says the same thing on his Only Answer to Cancer webpage:

      Getting rid of the root cause of all disease! Lack of Energy which is usually caused by stress.

      But I also know that the main cause of Cancer is mental and emotional stress. Its scientifically proven that all illnesses are 84% based on stress and only 16% based on physical elements.

      One thing I look for in CAM systems is internal logic. Sometimes there’s a leap of faith involved, too. No internal logic is a big red flag, though.

      In the not-Dr. Coldwell system, stress (stress hormones brought on by everyday shit) reduces energy (which isn’t defined) and that leads to 84% of disease/illnesses.

      On the webpage, not-Dr. Coldwell writes, “Getting rid of the root cause of all disease!” In the not-Dr. Coldwell system, the root cause is chronic stress. So his treatments should get rid of everyday stress, right? I would expect treatment would involve some counseling, massage, meditation, relaxing herbs, and so forth, and maybe some major life changes.

      Or, perhaps everyday stress is too pervasive to effectively treat, but we can head off the damage at the “lack of energy” stage. As @Wyrd points out, energy isn’t defined either. Human beings gather our energy from food, so I would expect that “lack of energy” could be treated with calorie-dense, easy-to-digest foods and supplements like the goos and nutrition bars endurance athletes consume. Then there’s the woo energy, the chi, that you may get from energy or biofield therapy treatments. So maybe get those, right? (They may also reduce the stress hormone cortisol. [1, 2])

      But not-Dr. Coldfield lists 15 things he would do if he had cancer, and none of those are listed. Of the things on his list, 13 are things to swallow, and the only remotely calorie-dense one would be fresh juice.

      He’s saying the problem is stress, which causes “lack of energy,” but then he’s recommending treatments that address the levels of various nutrients in your body.

      Then he piles internal inconsistency on internal inconsistency. He says:

      I would have as much sun as my skin can handle without getting burned. Sun does not cause cancer!

      But he also recommends what he calls a “Cancer Protocol” from a supplement company (who seem to be in compliance with FDA rules, BTW) that says the product is only for “people diagnosed with Melanoma.” Melanoma is a type of skin cancer, and a big risk factor for it is sun exposure. [3]

      The other thing he recommends that doesn’t involve (literally) swallowing anything is this gem:

      I would walk or exercise just a little every day. Or at least 2 minutes 3 times a week.

      Evidently, on the not-Dr. Coldwell system, I’m getting over forty times the exercise I need just by biking to work!

      1. @Lanna,

        One thing I look for in CAM systems is internal logic. Sometimes there’s a leap of faith involved, too. No internal logic is a big red flag, though.

        Internal logic is cool. But for CAM systems, I mostly don’t look to see if they have internal logic. I try to find the basic premise that it’s built on. So far I’ve never yet found one that was solid enough for me to put any faith in it.

        False premise fallacy

        If the initial premise is weak or un-science-y, then the rest of it is just castles in the sky.

        Suppose all elephants are pink. Suppose Nellie is an elephant. Then logically, Nellie must be pink.

        But elephants aren’t pink. That was a false premise. So the rest of the logic, although internally correct, is still wrong.

        The only way to route out the false premises is never ending observation, testing and revision. Modern science has been doing that since maybe the 16th or 17th centuries. And, since way before that, there have always been small pockets of folks here or there trying to figure out bits of the physical world.

        So far, every CAM I’ve seen is just a pretender when compared to that. All the CAM systems I’ve seen are just: 1) here’s some guy or gal and 2) said guy or gal had a BRILLIANT IDEA! and 3) now we always give ourselves coffee enemas or… we use water that once had some molecules of a chemical in it but by now i doesn’t or… we eat really healthy and we eschew all drugs because Big Pharma is evil (note: Big Pharma is more or less evil–I don’t bother to dispute that) or… we can cure anything and everything by realigning your spine/chakras/pressure points, etc.

        It goes on and on and on. And so far, the best they can come up with is a slight improvement over placebo. That slight improvement might be enough to say, for example, that there’s something going on with acupressure, but it doesn’t tell us what that something is.

        I apologize for my wide tangent and my overall snarky tone. CAM is something that tends to distress my mightily because I worry that it will cause people to not seek regular treatment when they might really need it.

        1. @Wyrd,

          Suppose all elephants are pink. Suppose Nellie is an elephant. Then logically, Nellie must be pink.

          But elephants aren’t pink. That was a false premise. So the rest of the logic, although internally correct, is still wrong.

          Here is the problem I see with that:
          http://www.flickr.com/photos/rageshev/838182712/

          If “all elephants are pink” is false, it doesn’t make “no elephants are pink” true. You can’t reject all the data just because one theory explaining the data turns out to be false.

          This is what I’ve seen happen with CAM:

          An enthusiastic hippie gets back from India and announces, “Elephants are pink!” Word spreads throughout the natural health community. MDs are disgusted. Elephants, obviously, are not pink.

          A PhD with access to a handful of African elephants gets an NIH grant to run spectroscopic analyses to determine their color. It’s determined, with 97% certainty, that elephants are gray, with a margin of error of +/-15%. PZ Myers writes, “Hah! Conclusive proof that elephants are not pink!” and Fox News asks, “This is what our tax dollars are funding?!”

          Several years later, a nursing instructor holding PhD, RN, MS and BS degrees observes an Indian elephant with a pink trunk at a zoo. She (usually a she) writes a tentative case study that gets published in a CAM journal suggesting further research into the pinkness of elephants. Over the next decade, 30 or 40 double-blind, placebo-controlled studies are done. Half of them determine elephants have almost zero pinkness. Half of them determine that 80% of elephants have 15% pinkness. Skeptics point to the ones that prove zero pinkness and ignore the rest. Believers point to the ones that prove pinkness and ignore the rest. People who take the time to read all the studies all the way through see that African elephants tend toward zero pinkness and Asian elephants tend toward 15% pinkness, though many studies – particularly the ones that result in zero pinkness – fail to identify what type of elephants they looked at.

          Meanwhile, Kevin Trudeau and not-Dr. Coldwell seize on this “elephants are pink” idea. They start saying that what “they” don’t want you to know is that 84% of elephants are not only pink, they are pink with perfectly-shaped purple polka dots! (Only 16% of elephants have any gray whatsoever.) And you can too! Elephants are pink with purple polka dots because they are constantly using their trunks to shove hot coffee up one another’s bums. Simply attend not-Dr. Kurt Walter Donsbach’s Tijuana clinic, like the late Coretta Scott King, and be treated with rectal-burn-inducing, proctocolitis-causing coffee enemas as part of your Gerson therapy. [1, 2, 3, 4]

          Obviously MUCH moves to shut down the Tijuana clinic, and the FDA files another case against Kevin Trudeau.

          However, a quiet undercurrent of nurses, nutritionists, exercise therapists, CAM practitioners and finally MDs reads all the studies and concludes that some elephants may have some pinkness. Slowly standard protocols are altered to account for pinkness, and a few published studies emerge with evidence for why some elephants have pink spots. While the mainstream view is that elephants are gray, medical professionals admit to one another that there is a whole spectrum of elephant colors, and that perhaps understanding what causes pinkness would result in better elephant healthcare all around.

          1. @Lanna,

            Lanna wrote

            If “all elephants are pink” is false, it doesn’t make “no elephants are pink” true. You can’t reject all the data just because one theory explaining the data turns out to be false.

            At the very end of my comment, you may have noticed this little nod buried in there:

            Wyrd wrote

            It goes on and on and on. And so far, the best they can come up with is a slight improvement over placebo. That slight improvement might be enough to say, for example, that there’s something going on with acupressure, but it doesn’t tell us what that something is.

            So this is the 15% pink elephant.

            The main point of my rant, insofar as any rant can ever have a point, was that all the theories to explain this or that CAM that I seen thus far are childish bollocks.

            15% pink elephant? It’s interesting. Sad to say it isn’t particularly interesting to me at the moment. Although it would be great if someone, somewhere would try to figure it out. But who would be on his or her side? Certainly not the vast majority of the CAM proponents. Because any attempt to put a credible theory to a specific CAM is going to have to throw out that CAM’s theory immediately and instead try to extend the existing very well-defined theory of human physiology to explain the 15% pink elephant. That is, of course, after the 15% pink elephant has been very concusively determined.

            As things stand, about the only way that I personally would become interested in alternative “medicine” is if I had a horrible terminal or debilitating disease and it was one that standard Real Medicine was unable to help with. Then, in that case, and only in that case, I would hold my nose, close my ears to the foolish mummery, and pragmatically try the goofy things in the hope that an as-yet-unexplained 15% pink elephant would be able to do something to treat or cure my horrible disease. But while holding my nose and closing my ears, I would not be holding my breath.

            It’s too bad that my cynicism would likely reduce the effectiveness of the placebo effect… but “that’s just the way the cookie gets completely stomped on and obliterated.” — Douglas Adams

            I’d like to close on something more positive than pulverized cookies: I really liked your comment. The way-extended analogy with the elephant, the believers, the skeptics, the scammers, et. al. was cool. Thanks for that. :-)


            Furry cows moo and decompress.

          2. @Lanna,

            Let me try the replying thing again. I guess we’re sort of talking past each other.

            It seems this is one of those situations where two different people largely agree on a variety of specific points, but nevertheless reach different conclusions.

            I guess I’m just not that interested in possible 15% pink elephants because those pink elephants are only at 15% and because they, if they in fact exist, are surrounded by so much B.S. he prospect of discovering a whole range of elephant colors where before there was thought to be only grey is tantalizing. But there isn’t any way to get there without all those expensive studies you mention.

            I grant that it’d be great if new ideas could be vetted, tested, and possibly incorporated into the larger body of medical knowledge. I don’t see how to make that happen though. Maybe someone else will find a way.

            In the meantime, I don’t have the right kind of letters after my name to try to put forth a study on the pinkness of elephants. And I can’t stand CAM B.S. theories and outrageous claims. So, in that story/process you eloquently illustrated above, I plan on retaining my role as “skeptic”. For me it’s either that role or else the
            “enthusiastic hippie”. But my parents (whom I love dearly) are much better at the hippie role than I.


            Furry cows moo and decompress.

            1. @Wyrd,

              I think we have very different understandings of how stuff enters mainstream medicine. Maybe @Dr Geek can jump in and clarify.

              IMHE, medicine pragmatically uses stuff that works, even if they don’t know how it works. That can be figured out later – or not at all. Theories of how a particular thing works are often figured out separately from the overall system, and later jammed back in.

              http://www.flickr.com/photos/guppiecat/402734115/

            2. @Wyrd, @Lanna,

              You both have a point. Medicine is pragmatic about using medicines which work even if the action is unknown; heck huge parts of medicine seem to revolve around scratching your chin to find a diagnosis…and then giving the patient steroids. I’m being slightly flippant, but only slightly.

              The reason I haven’t weighed in as much as I might’ve in this debate is I’d probably need as many words as we’ve written in the whole of the comment thread to come anywhere close to doing it justice.

              @KG’s (a CAM practitioner I feel I could easily work with) point “if it’s placebo then there’s an awful lot of spontaneous remissions happening” (I’m paraphrasing, but you get the gist) is an interesting one – I think there probably are a lot of these happening…in both Allopathic medicine and CAM. My branch of medicine isn’t immune from the placebo effect; there’s evidence that patients are far more likely to find a new drug effective than a tried and tested one, for example.

              Yes, allopathic medicine will (usually) have a plausible-sounding rationale for a medicine…but it’s not always right. Sometimes the rationale harms patients (when I was a student we were taught Beta-blockers were contra-indicated in heart failure; three years after graduating they were becoming commonplace and now form one of the cornerstones of treatment.

              Randomised controlled trials are the best we have, but they’re far from perfect. When I’m teaching med students, I often liken clinical evidence to shining a torch into an enormous dark warehouse; you light up areas, bu

              Until recently, drug companies who had funded studies routinely suppressed trials which showed no benefit from their medicine. They also suppressed studies which suggested their medicine might be harmful. Although all such studies are now registered, positive studies tend to be over-represented in the literature.

              There’s also a theory which suggests there may be a hidden placebo effect in drug studies; study subjects in the treatment arm of the trial will experience some degree of side effects (e.g. dry mouth with antidepressants) which give them a strong clue they’re taking the active drug rather than placebo.

              And the evidence doesn’t help all patients either. A significant number of studies exclude the over 75s, my patient base. Even the ones which include older subjects actively exclude those with multiple pathologies. So it’s impossible to know the accurate risk/benefit ratio of multiple medicines in frail older people…the very people likely to be on multiple medications.

              So I’m not against CAM. I’ve even seen a healer myself during my period of illness absence when allopathic medicine was spectacularly unable to help. It definitely helped me – and I really don’t give a fig if it was all placebo effect. She ensured I was seeing my doctor, and following all of his instructions before she would see me. And she wouldn’t take a penny.

              I must admit to being a little more skeptical of @RevRonRants’ story – largely because I really want it to be true. But if the diagnosis was made visually rather than on biopsy, the likelihood is it wasn’t a melanoma. But I’m certain the Reverend is being entirely honest about his experience.

              The “stress hormone” explanation for cancer and illness sounds plausible, but if that was the cause of these problems why then do patients with treated Addison’s Disease (adrenal gland and (therefore hormone) insufficiency, treated with exogenous hormone) have a twofold increase in premature mortality due to cancer, infection, cardiac and arterial disease?

              http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/91/12/4849.full

              While big Pharma would lose out if CAM practices such as coffee enemata were shown to be effective, insurance companies in the US would gain. But they don’t fund trials. However, the UK government pays for the vast majority of prescription drugs and healthcare. They also routinely fund and conduct research through the Medical Research Council. They’d have an interest in funding CAM therapies at a fraction of the cost…I wonder why they don’t? Yes, there’s an element of Pharma being a powerful lobby…but the UK’s pretty broke just now (you might’ve heard about it;-) so government would be keen to embrace any cost savings.

              Right…I’m going to stop there. And this was me being succinct!

            3. @r Geek, My family physician was an internist who shared a practice with an oncologist here in Houston, and had earned a reputation as a skilled diagnostician. He was not the type to offhandedly offer a diagnosis unless he was certain of it. It was he who initially diagnosed the cancer that would ultimately take my father’s life, and despite the understandable skepticism you express, I personally had and have no reason to doubt or second-guess his determination where my health was concerned. For the record, my Chinese physician was also a fully-licensed medical doctor in his native China, but chose to pursue research – and ultimately, a practice – in acupuncture and traditional Chinese herbal medicine.

              I think you will also understand why I am less skeptical of the determination made by an adept diagnostician with extensive experience in oncology who had actually observed my condition than of someone whose analysis lacks the benefit of a personal examination. I trust that you won’t take offense at my statement, as I assure you, none is intended.

              But back to the real point of this thread, I would be highly suspicious of ANYONE who made extravagant (or even moderate) claims of having an universal cure for “cancer,” especially since it is really an umbrella term for a multitude of different pathologies that happen to share some physiological elements. And when the person making the claim has established a pattern of falsifying even his credentials, my suspicion turns rapidly to contempt.

  21. FWIW, one of the points that I do not think has been addressed here in the discussion about Coldwell’s lack of doctorin’ creds is that he has never, to my knowledge, claimed to be an M.D., at least not in the U.S. His fake healing-doctor degrees are apparently for naturopathic medicine. I am not denigrating naturopathic medicine, though I know that at least in the U.S. it is not completely accepted by the medical establishment, but I just wanted to clarify.

    To me, the whole issue of naturopathic credentials is a little confusing; there are different degrees and titles, and licensing requirements vary from state to state in the US, and they also vary from country to country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Naturopathic_Medicine

    Though naturopathic medicine takes a different approach to healing than what is sometimes referred to as allopathic medicine, naturopathic physicians still apparently have to go through a lot of formal training, and once licensed and in practice they must comply with strict professional standards and a code of ethics. It is my understanding, though I could of course be wrong, that there are only a couple of schools in the US that offer a four-year degree that allows a person to legally use the letters NMD after his or her name. NMD is the healing-doc cred that Coldwell currently uses in addition to “PhD.” And there is no record of him ever having attended those legitimate schools in the US to get his naturopathic doc degree.

    I have read numerous biographical sketches of Coldwell from different sources, and he has apparently told so many tales about his various credentials, and has offered different explanations about why he had to “give them up” in Germany, and so forth, that it is terribly confusing. Coldwell claims to have been a homeopath, a naturopath, etc., and to have traveled all over the world learning Great Healing Secrets. One does not know what to believe. Maybe Salty can unravel it. As for me… oy, my brain hurts.

    I do know that Coldwell is not a member of the South Carolina Association of Naturopathic Physicians (http://www.facebook.com/SCANP.org), and I don’t know why a properly licensed naturopathic physician who resides in South Carolina wouldn’t want to join that group, particularly since they are apparently in his city — unless maybe he feels that they too are part of the evil medical establishment. Poor Bernd, once again fighting the good fight alone.

  22. I am a naturopathic physician.

    I found Salty’s blog when the James Ray trial was going. I come back to read now and again, because quite frankly, Jason Jones is the funniest person I have ever read on the internet. And I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE his writing style.

    @Cosmic Connie writes: “It is my understanding, though I could of course be wrong, that there are only a couple of schools in the US that offer a four-year degree that allows a person to legally use the letters NMD after his or her name”.

    No this is not correct. The legal designation for naturopathic doctor is ND not NMD as seen on the video above. NMD is affiliated with diploma mills, etc., at least in North America. There are 5 schools in the US and 2 in Canada that are accredited for licensure. I am unfamiliar with the licensure in Europe.

    http://www.naturopathic.org/content.asp?pl=16&sl=56&contentid=56

    In reading the conversations above, I clearly feel for, and understand Dr. Geek, having worked on a critical care response unit as a registered nurse for 10 years in my previous life. I can also understand the few people above, who are very pro natural/alternative/complementary medicine.

    As many have mentioned already, this blog is not about the virtues and pitfalls of conventional medicine vs. alternative/complementary medicine – and there are many to be sure, as I have seen from both sides of the fence for the past 32 years. This blog however, is about ludicrous and unsubstantiated claims (i.e. curing 35,000 cancer patients), that those who are vulnerable desperately want to believe.

    Hope must be based on many things, and dishonesty cannot be one of them, or else everyone loses.

    1. @KG,

      Well said, and thank you. I know I might’ve come across as anti-complementary/naturopathic medicine, but I’m not. I’m all too aware of the limitations of allopathic medicine. There’s a lot to be gained from us working hand-in-hand. Even *if* it’s just a placebo effect (by no means certain) it’s still an effect. A significant number of subjects on placebo in the trials of anti-depressants lit up their left pre-frontal cortex on PET scanning (the effect researchers were looking for in the treatment group…and which disappeared when they found out they were taking placebo.

      You’re absolutely right – this is all about dishonesty. You & I may disagree on technique, but not on intent. Mr Coldwell on the other hand is a parasite.

      1. @Dr Geek,

        Medical doctors like you are gems to work with. The great thing about that, is that the patient benefits the most.

        I’m not so sure that you and I would disagree on technique across the board. In some matters, yes, and in other matters, no.

        Over the years, in a few cases, I have had to plead with patients to not opt for CAM therapies when clearly, conventional treatment would have served them much better. At times, I have refused to treat some patients until they sought out surgery/chemo/etc. first, for example.

        Regarding placebo . . . . . let’s just say that if CAM therapies are only placebo, in my own practice and in those of my CAM colleagues, there’s a great preponderance of placebo and spontaneous remissions going on. Wisdom, IMHO, is about determining the best choice of medicine to use for a patient, be it conventional treatment, CAM, both, or none at all.

        I appreciate your thoughtful post.

        (Sorry SD for taking this blog on yet another tangent).

        1. @KG, @Dr Geek: I appreciate your perspectives, and if anyone needs to to the apologizing, I’m the one, since I brought up the topic of naturopathic creds in the first place. I just felt it was relevant.

          @KG, I really appreciate your setting me straight about the naturopathic degrees in the US; I mentioned in my original post that I found it confusing. I am sorry for momentarily adding to the confusion. :-) I think your post only reinforces the point that Coldwell’s “degrees” are fraudulent.

          By the way, nowhere have I EVER seen a formal C.V. on Bernd/Leonard, whereas most qualified health care professionals, even those who aren’t so much in the public eye, make that information fairly easily available. Bernd has told his story many times and in many ways, and the degrees and qualifications seem to vary from story to story. It is apparently sufficient for his fans.

          @Dr Geek: I admire your balanced view of what allopathic medicine can and cannot do. I love your passion, too, and your obvious compassion for your patients. You have illustrated a point that too many of Coldwell’s and Trudeau’s followers seem to overlook (thanks to the rhetoric and “information” that Coldwell and Trudeau peddle). And that point is that within “conventional” medicine there are many compassionate and caring professionals who really DO want their patients to get well. But vilifying conventional medicine sells books and seminars.

          In any case, I really don’t think this thread is going off too much on a tangent, since Coldwell’s credentials and qualifications are some of the topics under consideration. This is a good forum and a good post for having this discussion.

  23. Here’s my two sentence take on alternative medicine:

    There’s only one form of medicine that’s useful, and it’s the one based on physiology, chemistry, and rigorous systematic testing.

    Ideology has no place in medicine.

    Footnotes:
    1. Corruption and cheating in mainstream medicine doesn’t improve alt med.

    2. Naturopathy is as ideology based on false assumptions about nature, known as the naturalistic fallacy.

    3. If an alt med treatment has been properly tested and found to be of value, it will become part of mainstream medicine. If you think you have an example where this hasn’t happened, check how well it’s been tested.

    4. If an alt med claim “can’t be tested”, then you also claim it works.

    5. Words like “(w)holistic” mean, curiously, that the physiology of the individual is about to be ignored.

    6. Massage, stress reduction, relaxation, psychotherapy are all accepted in main stream medicine. Alt med does a nice job of packaging and selling these things, and might even do some general good if it weren’t for the rampant quackery and fraud.

    7. If your favorite alt med has just been criticized, check out whether or not the criticism has merit before responding.

    8. Causation and correlation are two different things. If you felt “better” after doing “X”, it doesn’t mean that “X” cured you. If you go around publicly proclaiming it does, or that it “works for me”, you are being stupid, ignorant and irresponsible.

    9. Learn to use words like “might”, “perhaps”, seems to”, etc. They don’t bite.

    10. Before saying that systematic trials are an ideology, they aren’t. They’re a process designed to guard against bias. They give an indication of how LIKELY it is that a treatment works. Sliding scales of success are the deadly enemy of ideology based treatments, and that is the reason for the opposition to them.

    11. If Alt med is “being suppressed by big pharma” how come so many medical schools include it on their curriculum?

    12. If you think alt med is on the curriculum because it works, read the course literature. It’s there because the ideology is popular.

    13. Real medicine is refined over time according to research and recorded results. Ideology based medicine must be swallowed whole. Only the advertising literature changes. Any other changes are made for popularity or to avoid prosecution.

    14. Before arguing with any of the above, use google for at least 3 minutes.

    1. @Yakaru,

      Hi.

      It seems like you are passionate about your ideas. Some of your points I agree with, and many points I disagree with. Clearly, regarding medicine, you are a person that lives in the world of randomized, blinded, placebo-controlled trials and nothing beyond it. I wish life, people’s health and their suffering, fit into a nice neat box with all the answers like the one you allude to. This is just not so. And because it is not so, does not make it any less valuable to those who have incredibly benefited from therapies that are not measured by the rigid blinded placebo-controlled RCT, especially in cases where conventional medicine has unfortunately failed them.

      I don’t want to hijack this thread and go off on a tangent that this blog was never meant to be about, so I’ll peruse your own website and respond to some of your ideas in a more appropriate place, if that’s okay? or not?

      (BTW, Just so you know, naturopathic physicians in the US and Canada have prescribing rights for pharmaceutical drugs to use when it is wise to do so, and to help wean patients off drugs when it is also wise to do so. This, and many of the botanical medicines we use along with nutrient therapies, fit into your concept of “rigorous systematic testing”).

      At the very least, I’ll be more interested in reading Salty Droid more regularly again. :)

        1. @KG,

          Thanks for the response. I was just trying to at least present a few of the main criticisms of alt med, more for the record than debate, seeing as it was already being discussed. I won’t respond to any further comments here. Discussing it on my blog is a good idea. Here’s a link to a similar post if anyone wants to complain.

          http://bit.ly/NIwhTI

          Apologies to Salty if I’m too far off topic.

  24. Goodness…there’s a lot of belief about glutton in those statements from someone who is unbelievable, I believe. Damn, I put a comma in the last sentence and used correct punctuation. I hate myself for being a grammar whore.

    In other news, is this the first time you have posted on Trudeau? I figured Salty Droid would have ousted him out long before now! If you have posted before, forgive my laziness for going up into the search bar and typing his name.

    What’s interesting is Trudeau did travel to Germany and obtain a few information books which cited ‘natural cures to cancer’. In health everyone’s body is different. Most of these books had to do with ‘the really big secret about staying healthy that isn’t so much a secret’; diet change.

    Anyway, Big Kev repackaged this information and paraphrased it like a mass ezine articles level and sold it to the masses through his infomercials. He made Don Lipre look honest.

    And now Germany has banned any natural supplements or ‘clean foods’ from being bought over the counter. One must obtain a prescription which means the pharmaceutical companies have a run on that country. This has also happened in Norway.

    But that my dear droogies is an entirely different thread starter.

    *Seacrest Out*

    1. @Ryan,

      Where did you get that information, Ryan? I live in Germany and you can buy natural supplements over the counter. Homeopathy and Anthroposophical medicine are protected by law from being subjected to proper testing, and medical insurers are obliged to fund them. This country is woo central when it comes to medicine!

      1. @Yakaru, About 15 years ago I got a cold in Germany while visiting. I wanted to buy a bottle of 1000mg VitC, which I was unable to find after searching for a couple of days. I finally found an expensive tube of fizzy tablets that were 100mg or less per tablet. Since I am so used to having access to most vitamin and mineral supplements (in health food stores and practically every grocery store), I was a little surprised.

        1. @Dana,

          With all due respects, I live here, I’ve lived here for more than a decade, I speak German, and I could go down to the local supermarket on Monday, buy some Vitamin C in those fizzy tablets for 90c, or go to the Apotheke on the corner and get powdered ascorbic acid for slightly more.

          I could get Chinese herbs from the shop a few doors down, and get an special etheric massage from the doctor a few doors further down, et him to test me on his Vega machine and get the medical insurance to pay for it all.

          If you’re looking for a country that oppresses alt med, don’t look at Germany. Okay?

          1. @Yakaru, can you buy 1000mg VitC tablets without prescription? It’s my understanding that you can’t get anything larger than 250mg. chewables or fizzy tabs. So, you have to take 4 of those to equal one of my 1000mg. tablets, which are super cheap here. I can get 300 tablets of 1000mg C for $15, probably cheaper, if I looked around. I’m really not interested in debating Germany’s alt health med, but I was simply relating my experience there.

            1. @Dana,

              Sorry for being snippy, Dana. You have a namesake who I’ve had several run ins with, and I unconsciously carried it over. My apologies!

              Yes you can buy 1000mg tabs in Germany. Here’s a German site that Geramns can legally order from:

              http://bit.ly/TJQlHX

              NB: It’s now clear that Vitamin C doesn’t help in any way if you have a cold.
              http://bit.ly/ofs2La

          2. @Yakaru, at the dose they were testing of course it doesn’t make a difference that proves nothing . At the correct doses vit c works brilliantly for lots of things and linus pauling was a champ and knew what he was talking about . Why don’t you try it next time you get a cold take it till your saturated ie bowel tolerance and see if it shortens your cold run your own double blind study

            1. @,

              “run your own double blind study”

              I think that’s a good challenge for the people with dissociative identity disorder.

            2. @???,

              I have a few problems with that. Forgive me if this sounds a little tetchy. It’s late at night. I’d say it politely and calmly if I was speaking.

              That kind of advice, albeit offered with good intentions, is offered vaguely, with no references or studies to back it up. That is exactly the gray area where quacks also operate freely. The standards for evidence are set so low that the alt med business is an open invitation to scammers and quacks. It runs on word of mouth, self reporting and a massive ideological attack on main stream medicine. (Please note that I’m not accusing you of promoting quackery.)

              “At the correct doses vit c works brilliantly for lots of things”
              — How do you know that if it hasn’t been studied “at the correct doses”?

              One off self experimenting has too many variables and too many subjective measures for it to deliver reliable results. Fine if people are happy to just experiment on themselves, but it’s not enough data to extrapolate that it will also work for others. If it works, it will show up clearly in studies.

              To advocate treatments for others, I think one is ethically obliged to have some evidence to back it up. If the studies haven’t been done, then you don’t know if it works. That is not a complicated principle. And a one off private uncontrolled study on myself will return less reliable results than a controlled study on 100.

              “linus pauling was a champ and knew what he was talking about.”

              — Here’s a different view of Pauling: http://bit.ly/NxINVU

              Why is it so difficult for people to let go of the idea that vitamin c is as effective as it was previously hoped? It’s not a holy relic or something. Why is there so much resistance? I’m genuinely surprised about it. I changed my mind about it painlessly. I used to take it regularly because I’d heard credible (for me) reports that it might reduce the risk of cancer. Okay, so then I found out it doesn’t. So I just stopped buying it. No fuss.

    2. @Ryan, I believe Salty has held off on writing about Trudeau because he has been concentrating largely on some of the con artists who are not as well known. There’s already a lot of negative info about Trudeau on the web, and it was easily available for anyone who cared to do research.

  25. I know this isn’t the topic of this blog so don’t want to harp on but I know it works because I’ve used it on myself and on lots of other people and consistently get good results and them telling me it works thats enough for me otherwise I’d have to wait till a double blind study was done at high doses same goes with lots of things just because there is no scientific evidence doesn’t mean something doesn’t work .Lots of studies are done on drugs and ten years later we find out about some rotten side effects that werent in the studies at the release of the drug .First do no harm ,and most all of the natural products do no harm.Drugs are strong and effective to an extent but really belt the body and should be used if absolutely necessary .
    If I feel good about a product I’ll give it a go otherwise I’d be waiting for evidence all the time and I’m afraid with a lot of things science is just a long way behind .

    1. @,

      “just because there is no scientific evidence doesn’t mean something doesn’t work”

      Exactly! And it also means that you have no way of knowing whether it works. Studies aren’t perfect but they are, as Dr Geek points out, the best we’ve got. Certainly way better than word of mouth promotional activities being used as raw data.

      It’s not perfect but properly controlled studies are way superior to self interested blithering populism and absolutes.

      “I’m afraid with a lot of things science is just a long way behind .”

      Behind what???

        1. @,

          I’m always all about the pragmatism. That means I define Truth as “whatever works”.

          However, I have learned that there are many areas of life where just trying something yourself is not sufficient.

          Health is a key example. Just trying something on yourself to see if it makes you feel better is not nearly sufficient in determining if it actually works as a treatment or cure in any meaningful sense. You know it’s possible to have cancerous cells but have no pain or discomfort, right? Conversely it’s also possible to be feeling pain, maybe lots, yet have no known physiological malady whatsoever.

          I know that’s counter-intuitive, but that’s just the way it goes. You can ignore this truth if you choose, but you do so at your own peril.

          1. @Wyrd,

            He/she is providing a nice demonstration of how the scam works. So I try the treatment and decide it doesn’t work on this one off attempt. What then? Well obviously, it wasn’t right for me, and our scammer moves on to the next person until they get a hit.

            Anon above might be sincere and unaware that s/he is in effect running a scam, but regardless of intent, it’s exactly the same scam, based on exactly the same logical/mathematical error, that quacks like Coldwell run.

            @Anon
            You failed to answer my question: science is “a long way behind” WHAT exactly????

    2. @, You are off topic.

      The above article is not about slamming alternative medicines or non-big pharma approaches to a healthy life. It is about truly henious individuals who exploit the very vunerable, and often suggestible, and these exploited individuals then miss out on the treatment that could have saved them. They then die when they might not have. Their families are left devastated. Modern medicine has many failings – however cancer is one area where progress has been made.

      I have friends who have had cancer, gone through standard therapy, were cured, and are doing well fifteen or twenty years later. There are others who have been unable to beat the disease. Gladly, none had given a charlatan such as Coldwell any credibility.

      Good luck with the ‘it’ that you have used on yourself. There is some good alternative medicine out there, along with a huge amount which is just placebo (most all of homeopathy), and some which is actively harmful and or misrepresentative(e.g. a fair amount of chinese medicine cremes are stuffed full of steroids).

      However your ‘feeling good about a product’ as a reason to try it, puts you right in the danger zone. Coldwell’s A1 technique is to make people feel good about his product, and himself, and then he has got them. You might need to be slightly more analytical / rational, rather than emotional, when deciding what makes sense as a treatment.

  26. The scam of vit c milking people out of all their money . This is not about scamming there are heaps of products which just aren’t going to be double blind tested because there is no money in it for anyone to do it . So like I said doesn’t mean these products don’t work . Surely u can use your own discernment as well do you need pages of documented proof on everything before you will give something a go or can you work intuitively as well which I’m sure you do many times a day .
    Science is way behind in lots of things and catches up every day on stuff that intelligent human beings have known intuitively for ages . I don’t have to wait for science to catch up and prove something to me before I know it . But it’s always good when studies get done to verify things but I just don’t think it’s practical to wait

    1. @Dumbass,

      I asked you twice WTF you were talking about with all this “science is way behind” bullshit and all you’ve done is repeat it. Science is way behind what? Been sleeping for the last 300 years?

      You also completely missed my point about the way health scams work. I won’t repeat it.

      The point is that studies give an indication of likelihood of success. If they haven’t been done, then it means you need to say “I have no idea if this will work.” That’s not a difficult sentence to say, but it hurts sales and hurts the ego of ignoramuses.

      Your intuitive method is much better for sales, which is why it’s used in exactly that form by the most ruthless scammers around. And it’s useless for determining which treatments are better than others, and puts peoples health at risk as well as taking their money for useless treatments. There are absolutely no standards, no quality control and no consumer protection whatsoever in your method.

      And I could tell you that Vitamin C has been studied extensively and has little effect:

      http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7590-regular-vitamin-c-does-not-prevent-colds.html

      But instead I’ll just say that I know intuitively that it doesn’t work, and if you would only try not taking it you would see for yourself, without even needing to look in google for 20 seconds.

    2. @Anonymous,

      ” I don’t have to wait for science to catch up and prove something to me before I know it .”

      so something like your an ommniscient god or something maybe? I don’t really get what it means?

        1. @Jack, You can go ahead to substitute “belief” or “intuition” for “piece” here”. This is the case of determining a forgery via intuition:

          “To know whether intuition should trump analysis, we need more than case studies of initial impressions that were later vindicated. What we need to know is how often experts intuitively identify a forgery despite preliminary scientific analysis suggesting that it was genuine (the kouros case), and how often experts intuitively believe a piece to be genuine only to be proven wrong (the Thomas J. Wise forgeries). Conversely, how often do experts make the mistake of intuiting a forgery when scientific analysis later proves the work to be authentic? Without comparing how frequently intuitions outperform analysis for both genuine and fake items, there is no way to draw general lessons about the power of intuition.”

          Full article which probably you won’t want to go and understand:
          http://chronicle.com/article/The-Trouble-With-Intuition/65674/

    3. @,

      I find it so strange that anyone would question why another person wants proof of the effectiveness of something they will be putting into their bodies. Why is it so outrageous that people might want proof that it works, that it’s not harmful, that they aren’t wasting their time and money? Especially when the things we are talking about are testable. It’s not as if we are talking about something that cannot be tested or proven. It can be tested.

      If you want to approach alternative therapies from an intuitive basis then that’s your choice. But when someone starts criticizing another person for wanting evidence and proof….for asking questions about things they will put into their bodies or dealing with their health issues I start wondering what the angle is.

      And let me tell you, I absolutely want proof of the effectiveness of treatments when it comes to my health. I not only want proof, I want as much background information about HOW the studies were conducted, who conducted them, who paid for them, etc., etc, etc. And this applies to traditional and non-traditional medicine. For god sakes it applies to veterinary medicine for my dog and cats. It’s my health. I’m responsible for it and some damage can’t be undone.

      I think it is bizarre to launch criticism at people for wanting as much information as possible and have things tested and validated as much as possible.

  27. Just one example is fish oil 10-15 years ago u were weird if you suggested its use no trials it’s just rubbish blah blah blah but there were people starting to say it was good for u then it’s good for arthritis and the heart and brain then studies were done now it’s documented in big trials that it reduced heart attacks by 50 % by those who took it over a 10 year period . Now u can either start taking it 15 or 20 yrs ago when there is no evidence or now when there your choice . But it worked just the same 20 yrs ago before the trials as it does after there is scientific proof .

        1. @Anonymous, My personal answer I think would have to be that you’re delusional but aren’t able to figure out that you’re delusional because you lack skills for figuring it out about you being delusional.

          1. @Jack, well aren’t you a clever little peanut head wow so clever I’m in awe of your giant intellect

            1. @, God how did you think of that so clever , and witty I’m just laughing my ass off at your wit and humour and bowing at the thought of your supreme intellect

    1. @Dumbass,

      Thanks for acknowledging you were wrong about vitamin C and apologizing for taking up so much space when 20 seconds on google would have resolved it for you.

      Again you didn’t leave a link to the study you refer to. But okay, there does seem to be some evidence, albeit far from conclusive that fish oil helps. So I could have started taking it 15 years ago. Sure.

      I also could have stated taking shark cartilage, colloidal silver, coffee enemas, ginseng, rhinoceros horn, Bach remedies, homeopathy, Louise Hay’s affirmations, Hulda Clark’s parasite zapper — the list is endless — and I would have been wasting my time and money. (And in many cases endangering my health.)

      So how to decide which treatments to pick out of a list of millions? You do it “intuitively” and you have a 100% success record. As long as you ignore all the failures of course. And then you advise others based on your fine intuition, noting only the false positives and ignoring the failures.

      Works fine for the other 50 million medical scams out there too. Until it’s their own ass on the line, then it’s suddenly off to chemo.

      As I said, your method has no way of distinguishing between treatments, and is therefore useless, And given your bloated ignorant ego, and insistence on blabbing your fake knowledge in public, it’s dangerous too.

        1. @Jack, so smart that you can’t tell what would be good for u or not intuitively u poor intellectual fools your the kind of idiots I have to give Xanax too all the time because you get caught in your own pathetic little minds scared of your own shadows who think they are protected by their ability to read and regurgitate data aren’t you clever . You are the type of dumbasses that I can’t even suggest natural therapies or products too your too smart for that so I won’t even mention it so we give you dumbasses the drugs cause thats all u believe in with your tunnel visioned stupidity . Then you dumbasses take the drugs with the double blind studies and proof chronically and then eventually get all the side effects from them . Then you dumbasses need more drugs for the side effects from those drugs that you could’ve avoided by changing your life style . But we can’t tell you dumbasses that cause your far too clever arent u jack and Yakura

          1. @,

            First of all, it’s finally clear why you are so hostile to even the thought that people question or want evidence of the effectiveness of alternative treatments. You make $$ from them.

            Secondly, based on the above comment, you have the absolute worst fucking attitude toward the people you are supposed to be helping that, in my opinion, you have no fucking business being involved in anyone’s care or treatment. And you give people Xanax? So you are an MD? What type of practice do you have? Are you a psychologist? What degree do you have that gives you prescribing privileges? Either way, with that attitude I don’t know how you could be anything other than terrible at your job.

            Lastly, you’re the type of dumbass who gets all smug when a “patient” asks questions about the natural remedies that you suggest that you do as piss poor of a job convincing them of their effectiveness as you did here. And I don’t care if you are the single smartest, most talented, Nobel prize winning neurosurgeon, when a patient fucking asks questions about a treatment and asks for proof you get down off your fucking high horse and give them the information they requested…then someone like me, a medical malpractice attorney (though I no longer practice and not giving legal advice here) doesn’t need to sort out your mess. Or if you aren’t licensed maybe a prosecutor.

            1. @What the what, pretty cranky there what the what.wrong again i dont ,and i dont care if you people want natural products or not and im not going to convince you or those two jack and jill of anything cause you cant convince people like that of anything .If someone is interested Ill talk to them about anything for as long as they want and give them as much info as i can ,but these people are not as is evident from their posts so I dont bother its called being a boof head bit like you ,And u being a medical malpractice attorney who do you mainly prosecute natural therapists ,seriously Id like to know or is it drs who have screwed up or who.And for your info I havent made a mess of anyone so far so you can stay retired for the time being but you have obviously run into some shit judging from you reaction ,please tell love to know what your so angry about.maybe you should focus on big pharma and the huge ammount of adverse effects that occur daily.for example my friends dad given risperdal and having a stroke but never being told that it was a side effect because the double blind studies didnt report that ,only years later after all these people started dropping off that it became clear that it was causing this .Maybe you can go after them .

            2. @,

              So when you said you give people Xanax you don’t? You don’t medications?
              You’re damn right I’m cranky…reading self-righteous nonsense such as what you wrote above re: stupid people that just have to give Xanax to all the time because of their pathetic little minds makes really cranky.

              And you might want to bring up the wrongs of Big Pharma and point out that medical doctors screw up treatment too, even though this was covered forever ago. I don’t. Because I never said either of those was perfect and never said no one ever, anywhere should ever use any type of alternative therapies. But maybe you want to talk about that instead of the fact that you criticize people who ask questions and want natural treatments tested and reviewed and you think people should intuitively decide whether a treatment works because it’s harder to support you statements than it is to rag on “Big Pharma”.

              You mocked people because they wanted evidence that treatment works before they take it. Then you later wrote that glorious piece of nonsense about the big dummies that you have to treat and give Xanax. I find it ridiculous that on this post about about a guy who is lying about his credentials and lying about the effectiveness of his treatment and lying about the number of people he “cured” you want to mock people for digging deeper and taking responsibility for their health decisions. Maybe you missed it above where I said I want the studies, and I want info about who did them, how they were done and who paid for them. You are arguing that people should just go ahead and do it and see how they feel. That kind of thinking allows people like doctor ^4 Coldwell to operate. Asking questions and demanding proof makes it hard for people like him to run their con.

              But I can see that clearly it’s much more important for you to make this about you and have your little hissy fit here and argue that we are stupid for being skeptical about natural treatments…here on this post about a guy selling a fraudulent treatment to people battling cancer. Yes, let’s talk more about how people should just try it and intuitively determine whether there rumors are gone.

            3. @What the what,

              *1st line should read: So when you said you give people Xanax, you dont’t? You don’t prescribe medications?

              Grrrrr. Typos.

            4. @,

              big pharma and the huge ammount of adverse effects that occur daily.for example my friends dad given risperdal and having a stroke but never being told that it was a side effect

              I’m very sorry that happened to your friend’s dad.

              That sucks.

              I have to tell you something though.

              For every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, obvious, and wrong.

              Your current game plan, as far as I can understand, is to throw away all of modern medicine because it looks to you as if the whole thing is corrupt and rotten to the core with the Evil of Big Pharma. And also because your friend’s dad died from Risperdal.

              Well. Your cynicism is understandable. And I share it.

              But maybe I know things that you don’t know yet. (maybe)

              You have a right to be angry about what happened to your friend’s dad and about not having all the information before hand.

              There is some other information that you Really Need to Know::: –>
              * The homeopaths and natural cures folks aren’t innocent either.
              * Modern medicine has far more to it than just “here’s a pill, call me in the morning”. Big Pharma (and also the natural cures club) wants to act like it’s all about the drugs or lack of them. But that’s just stupid.

              Going around relying solely on intuition for your medical decision making is a fairly risky choice. Open a history book sometime. Look at how many people used to routinely die from the Black Plague or cholera or diphtheria or yellow fever. How come that doesn’t happen now I wonder?

              In 2010, there were 22.9 million people in Sub-Saharan Africa living with HIV-AIDS. By contrast there were only 1.3 million in North America living with that awful disease. {LINK}

              Do you know why the numbers are so much higher in Africa? It’s complicated. Part of it is simply that it’s hard to get enough doctors out there. But a large part of the problem is that many members of the populace have the attitude towards medicine that you do: eschew drugs / eschew even basic reason and common sense and just go all intuition.

              I really am sorry for what happened to your friend’s dad. The reason why that happened is simply that sometimes life is horrible and terrible and cruel. In the long run, your intuition based approach to health is going to do you more harm than good.

              Good luck.


              Furry cows moo and decompress.

          2. @,

            And of course I should add, aside from anything I said above, if you are actually giving people prescription medications and simultaneously think it’s acceptable for people to “intuitively” discern what treatments are effective…and that natural treatments should be recommended to others without any testing…Just stop. Go do something else. Because that is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. And from everything you’ve said here, You are dangerous.

            1. @What the what,

              “So when you said you give people Xanax, you don’t? You don’t prescribe medications?”

              I thought maybe it was we found a candidate for Lanna’s proposed DID double-blind study.

          3. @Anonymous, Just for records sake I want to tell you I only will agree to participate in double-blind studies if I can be part of the control group.

            1. @Jack, hahahaha your so funnnnnyyy how do you do it jack ahaaaaaahhahaha laughing my guts up a hahahaha can’t stop what a funny guy .

            2. @Jack,

              In medical circles the joke is the definition of “double blind” is two orthopedic surgeons looking at an EKG…

              (which could equally be 2 physicians looking at a knee MRI, but orthopaedic surgeons are often quite self-deprecating and fun to be around, so they don’t feel a need to labour the point)

            3. @Jack, Hi Jack. If there is room for one more in that controlling group, I think I would like to do some of that double blind studying, maybe.

            4. @Jack, you should join the study I’m in. I demanded to be in the control group for this new drug called Placebex.

      1. @Yakaru, i ack nothing except that you are a stubborn righteous ignorant ass but I don’t need to tell you that do I everyone around you would’ve been trying to tell u that your whole life . As for your study once again at 200 mg a day why bother at all it’s got to be done at bowel tolerance but I’m done trying to convince you of anything cause your a close minded fool . As for the fish oil study find it yourself dick head . As for taking it please don’t take it wait till its turned into a pharmaceutical . You know allopathic and natural medicines really should be used hand in hand but idiots like you turn it into a war . There’s scams on both sides big pharma and shonks on the natural side also but u are just dumb

  28. to wyrd ,thanks for your comments appreciate them .Im not saying that its all intuitive,when i deal with people i give them all the info possible and then let them decide what feels right for them let them take cause over their situation.There are very limited studies on natural therapies because of the cost so my point is to these guys who called me dumbass when I was being sincere was that legitimate stuff like fish oil now has had studies done proving what was thought years ago.
    Also yes what happened to my friends dad was terrible but we had double blind studies on rispedal but no warning that it caused stroke .My point being double blinds arent the be all and end all ,should I have advised my friend to go see mr what the what and sue the dr for putting him on risperdal and not telling them he could have a stroke or the drug company
    What im also saying is that with this salty group there is a definate cynicism and arrogance around natural therapies and Im just pushing that in their faces because its out of balance.
    I deal with allopathic medicine every day as well and thank God we have it but if I can get people thru with herbs or vitamins i will if they are open to it ,because drugs are drugs they are strong but also have side effects some of which are not immediately apparent.And having said that if they want drugs thats their choice too.A big part of any healing is belief that something will or wont work.

    1. @, I find it difficult to imagine you being anything other than a cranky office assistant with ‘attitude’. If you were involved in any field of medicine – alternative or mainstream – I would be worried for your patients.

      Why? You cannot punctuate, you have problems in spelling and in putting a sentence together correctly. You mis-read the very detailed responses to your somewhat rambling posts. This all would tend to indicate that you cannot process information very well, and so inevitably you would come to incorrect or poor decisions with regard to what might be best for anyone with a medical problem.

      And – to re-iterate my earlier comment – you are incorrect to think that everyone here is having a go at alternative medicine, but you seem to understand that people are having a problem with Coldwell, which I guess means that you are part of the way there.

      Well done.

  29. What the what , the reason for the dumbass post from me was because dumb and dumber jack and
    Xanadu decided to call me dumbass so i responded in kind in the language that morons understand their own. To you what the what do u think I give two shits that you think I should change professions in case your wondering I don’t . Next I think your the one having a hissing fit and I don’t treat people in my practice like dumb and dumber cause if anyone called me dumbass I’d kick their asses out .
    Next seeing your so keen on proof how bout getting some on coldwell before jumping on the bandwagon and crucifying someone innocent till proven guilty isn’t it aren’t you a lawyer after all or are u into slandering people .
    Next I really don’t care if people buy vitamins or not no skin off my nose either way but you seem so sure you know that it’s the $$$$$$$ that drive me which I find kind of funny coming from a lawyer .

    1. @,

      First, I’m a lady person, not a Mr. person. (Not sure why that assumption was made).

      Second, those are the words you used to describe your clients(?) patients(?). If that’s not how you actually feel and you were just pissed off and frustrated with the argument then…ok, I suppose. But those are the words you used here to describe some of your own patients and those are the words I responded to. It’s not my fault that you chose those words. And anyone who talks about their patients(?)/clients(?) that way and feels that way about them needs a new career or at minimum needs to take a look at whether they think they can honestly treat those patients properly and respectfully. [I’m just going to use patients even though I’m not sure if that’s the proper term as I’m not sure what your practice is…it’s just shorter so if it’s wrong, mea culpa].

      Third, how is my mentioning that you make $$ from alternative treatments/therapies funny coming from a lawyer? My practice and how I made my $$ has nothing to do with the issues we are discussing here. (If anything, it would establish I’d be more biased against traditional medicine). Unless of course you are alluding to the sleazy money grubbing lawyer trope (which I am not saying you are, it’s just the only thing I can think of for why you would say that.).

      I couldn’t figure out why you had dug in so deep regarding arguing with people about natural remedies. I was wondering whether you were in the business, a follower of Coldwell’s or Trudeau. The fact that you earn a living from them is certainly relevant to why you would spend so much time arguing with people on a blog post about a guy who claims to have been curing people of cancer as a freaking kid (after praying to God to let him help his mother), about how they should be more trusting of natural remedies. I was curious why you directed so much energy at people who were skeptical about natural remedies and not the guy who is claiming to have cured 35,000 people of cancer using dubious methods and claiming it comes from a “lack of energy” as a result of “stress”. That’s why your making money from natural remedies was/is relevant to me.

      Fourth, slander refers to oral statements. Libel deals with written statements. And no, I’m not concerned that Dr^4 Coldwell will sue me for libel because he would have to prove that anything I’ve written was not true and that I knew or reasonably should have known it wasn’t true. That means he’d have to prove he cured 35,000 people of cancer and he’d have to prove that he has four valid doctorate degrees.

      Fifth, “innocent until proven guilty” the standard of proof to finding someone guilty of a crime and imposing punishment. I am not charging him with a crime (in the formal, legal sense). I am not putting Coldwell in jail. I am commenting about him on a blog. There is no legal standard for forming a personal opinion about whether someone is lying about himself and his “treatment”.

      I find it so bizarre that you are demanding proof from me about Coldwell.

      …how bout getting some [evidence] on coldwell before jumping on the bandwagon and crucifying someone…

      I am so hoping the above statement was just because you are mad and frustrated with me and other people here and not because you actually think I and others are “crucifying” poor, poor Dr^4 Coldwell.

      When I pointed him out you didn’t have anything at all to say about how he operates, the fact that he tells people with cancer that chemo and radiation and surgery is a lie? You only mention him to demand proof from me that he is full of shit. Of all the things for you to have pointed to as a kind of “Gotcha!” I can’t fathom why you would pick that. Especially because my biggest criticism is that he is lying about his credentials and he is telling people to buy his system/treatment instead of getting traditional therapies when he hasn’t proven his therapy is effective! Are you asking me to prove that it isn’t proven effective? Are you asking me to prove that his degrees don’t exist? That’s like trying to prove unicorns don’t exist. There is so much support for my position all over this page. Just look up at this post and the conversations people are having about him. And then look into the claims people are making and confirm what is being said. Or hell, just go to his own damn webpage.

      The following are from his webpage:

      “I€˜m sorry youre struck with this problem. In my experience there is always hope as long as you dont give up, stay active and keep on fightingand as long as the government stays out of our way to optimum health! …. Its my opinion that the “chemical doctors” do not have a cure and in my opinion most people would be better off without treatment than with all of the cutting, poisoning or burning.

      The promotion of early detection, saying it will save your life or breast is, in my experience, a blatant lie. What Ive witnessed is that early detection simply means the instant start of suffering due to mandatory treatments and the loss of quality of life, pain and suffering and an inhumane death.

      Why do I know this? I cured my mother of liver cancer that was in a terminal state over 30 years ago without surgery, chemotherapy or radiation. Her healing regimen was completely natural and cost less than $3,000.

      This next quote was preceded by the question: “Can diet cure cancer?”

      If you ask most doctors today, nothing can heal cancer. They will try to cut it out, burn it and kill it. Sometimes they have success in temporally slowing down the inevitable. The reason why they will never have a cure is because as long as the root cause is not removed, the problem will always be there.
      Stress is a major root cause of cancer and must be reduced and eliminated. Removing stress from your life allows the body to do what it was designed to do; be healthy and disease free.

      This self-serving statement is truly sickening:

      I am sure I could cure them [referring to the millions of people who have come to his seminars or read his articles] within weeks or a few months. But since the law and the ones that make money on your suffering and even death, dont allow me to treat you the way I know would produce results, I legally cannot even tell you what to do or not to do. Thats how the medical profession and pharmaceutical industry protects their Trillion Dollar Cancer Industry.

      (Holy shit! Poor doctor doctor doctor doctor Coldwell wants to cure the whole world of cancer but the law and the government and doctors say “NO doctor doctor doctor doctor Coldwell! We will not let you cure all of the cancer!)

      That’s from the site of the guy who calls himself the “leading expert on cancer” {also at his site}. Sounds legit.

      (You will note that I have not made any comments about him specifically in regards to the issue of sexual exploitation and impropriety. I have assured people that I am confident the droid will back up any claims he makes because the droid has earned a reputation for putting up the evidence. But on that score I have no evidence and will be waiting for the next post)

      Do you really believe that he is being “crucified” here? Do you find anything about what he has said about his treatment plausible. Just put his name into google and his site pops up. Take a look (right on the front page he links to an article about how the West Nile Virus is a lie and another that claims there is proof that cancer is man-made). Look at the “Cancer” tab.

      Lastly, this comment has gotten incredibly long and though there is more I would like to say I doubt there is anymore anyone wants to read. I am still curious whether you prescribe pharmaceuticals or have prescribing privileges and what your training is in. (A DO maybe?) You keep ignoring this question.

  30. All of the discussions about allopathic medicine versus alt-med or CAM are interesting, as are the discussions about double blind studies and evidence and logical fallacies and intuition and so forth. — and these topics certainly have a way of bringing out the “fight” in people, no matter which “side” they are on. Lots of strong feelings here, That is understandable.

    These issues are of course relevant to the larger issues and problems — one of the main problems being that there are tons of quacks out there preying on people who are desperately ill — or on people who are just health conscious and want to give themselves an “edge” (and in at least some cases, it seems to me, another reason to feel smug).

    The sometimes loathsome behavior of quacks, and the apparent ineffectiveness or occasional danger of many of the remedies and therapies they push, do not mean CAM is worthless or that conventional medicine is perfect I think we have established these points here, though some promoters of CAM will no doubt continue to use the foibles of conventional medicine, and of course the greed and seeming recklessness of BIg Pharma, to try to bolster their arguments and/or to sell products or services.

    We could go on and on with the arguments, and frankly I am enjoying the back and forth. But I also think that all of these issues, as important as they are, are secondary to the darker and more serious issues around the “star” of this post — and that is what has been in the back of my mind as I read these comments.

    What IMO is particularly relevant to this blog regarding these issues is that both Coldwell and Trudeau have been looked up to as heroes by thousands of people, based upon their health “advice.” There is almost always a sales pitch to go along with that advice, of course — whether it is a pitch for a supplement or remedy, or for a massive flopportunity such as GIN or “Dr” C’s Instict Based Medicine System (IBMS) “certification” courses.

    Many people are apparently cool with the sales pitches and happily buy the supplements, or sign up for the flopportinities, probably convincing themselves that their heroes are driven primarily by altruism rather than greed and/or other not so lofty motives.

    Even so, I wouldn’t be surprised if Salty started hearing from some disillusioned ones who invested thousands into one or both of these schemes (GIN or IBMS), and now feel cheated and mistreated. The disillusionment about GIN is already rampant on a few other forums, but it may take a little longer for IBMS disgruntlement to surface.

    Finally, I find it interesting when people seem to tout intuition as the ultimate authority when making decisions about health or anything else. I am not and never have under-valued intuition and “gut feelings.” But I have recently exchanged words with ardent Coldwell defenders, and some of them claim to be very intuitive and to have all sorts of special sixth-sense type gifts — yet they apparently cannot see the awfulness that lurks beneath the pink shirts.and the charming little German accent.

    Instead these folks have focused their annoyance or outright wrath on critics for being so horribly and endlessly “negative.” Coldwell may have his faults, they say, but his health advice has helped many people, and he is a wonderful humanitarian, and besides, he is a hoot at parties.

    I expect some may continue to cling to their position even as more awfulness is uncovered.

    1. @Cosmic Connie,

      Well said. I’ve been sitting on my hands – I’ve obviously got a lot to say on the issue of allopathic and CAM medicine (and not all in support of my field) but it’s becoming a troll-feeding digression.

  31. not me Connie bring out the crap on lenny but dont poo poo intuition because it is your intuition which would lead you to say something is stinky with trudeau and coldwell is it not??gut feeling ?? call it whatever you want

    1. @, Look at my comment again and you will see I did not poo-poo intuition. I just said I find it interesting that some people seem to be touting intuition as the ultimate authority when it comes to important decisions, e.g., health care and the like. Note that I wrote, “I am not and never have under-valued intuition and ‘gut feelings.'”

      I immediately followed that with the “yeah-but”: the self-proclaimed intuitive abilities of some of “Dr” Coldwell’s fans — some of whom have apparently partied with him in person — have not allowed the intuitive ones to see the awfulness beneath the veneer.

      Maybe those pink shirts Lenny loves deflect the intuition rays. (Note to self: must stop making fun of ze pink shirts.) Maybe the free-flowing bourbon clouds everyone’s judgment when they are partying with the champion of Champions. (Note to self: Ditto on the bourbon-swilling.)

      FYI, my criticism of Kevin Trudeau has been based mostly on information freely available on the Internet and in print media and sometimes, occasionally, on TV (ABC/John Stossel). I realize that “Internet” is a word that, like “intuition,” also starts with “i” but it is a different thing.

      My criticism of GIN was based on many things that involved both third-party information and my opinion of that information, including: (1) my knowledge of Trudeau’s criminal history; (2) the dodgy way GIN appears to be set up, as explained on the GIN web site; (3) the stupid story Trudeau told, and continues to tell, about having been a member of a “secret” society that approached him when he was a teen or pre-teen (his stories have varied) because they sensed he was so special. (He prolly just got a personalized form letter in the mail from Neo-Tech, LOL. But that’s a whole other group of blog posts.)

      Since I had no inside knowledge and concrete proof that GIN is a scam, yes, intuition played a part in my opinions, particularly with item number 3 — but mostly it was knowledge, freely available to anyone who had cared to do research.

      But Trudeau has always strongly encouraged his GIN members and other fans to ignore the mainstream media, instead insisting that a good way to success is to listen his 14-CD upsell, “Your Wish Is Your Command” (his infomercial product for GIN) over and over and over and over. Lacking that, they have apparently been encouraged to listen to his KT Radio Network show (an extended political rant and sales pitch) every day.

      Yeah, my intuition told me that was all pretty dodgy. But as I have attempted to explain, it wasn’t solely intuition. Now that the GIN disillusioned are coming up with the real numbers of how they wuz robbed, there seems to be even more hard evidence.

      Similar deal with Lenny Coldwell and the part that my intuition played in my opinion of him. There’s a dearth of negative info about him on the Interwebz, but his own rambling writings and seriously extravagant claims provide a good foundation for criticism.

  32. I’ve intentionally stayed out of this “discussion” for awhile, as I have little interest in a dialog that has descended into folks calling each other names. But what the hell…

    I spent many years in medical fields, as a Navy field medical corpsman, a certified neuropsychiatric technician, and as administrator for a psychophysiological research facility at the Baylor College of Medicine and Houston V.A. Hospital. I’ve seen the wonders of which mainstream medicine is capable, as well as the folly of some supposedly rigid research criteria. So I’m far from being down on mainstream medicine.

    However, twenty-something years ago, my family physician diagnosed a spot on my arm as a melanoma, and wanted to begin aggressive treatment, beginning with surgery. At the time, the survival rate, even for treated melanoma, was pretty dismal. I chose not to follow that course, opting for treatment by a Chinese herbal physician and acupuncturist to whom a Buddhist priest friend had introduced me.

    I began brewing and drinking a “tea,” made up of a bunch of twigs, leaves, and roots that he compounded for me, and that had to be the most god-awful tasting stuff I’d ever encountered. A few weeks later, as I sat drinking beers with friends who had been very concerned about me, the husband saw the melanoma, which had morphed into what looked like a scab, simply fall off.

    In the twenty-odd years since, there has been no re-occurrence of the disease. And the odds were very “good” that had I opted for mainstream treatment, I wouldn’t be here now.

    Anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but I think it would be foolish to summarily discount treatments that have proved themselves effective for hundreds of years, just as I think it foolish to discount mainstream treatments that have withstood scrutiny using current methodologies.

    There will be collateral effects from any treatment we undergo; so long as we are advised of the potential for untoward effects, we can intelligently decide whether or not a given treatment regimen is acceptable to us. The difficult part is getting objective and accurate information as to a treatment regimen’s efficacy and collateral effects. In this area, mainstream medicine does have the upper hand by a long shot. We can and certainly should listen to our intuition, but need to realize that our “intuition” can be easily colored by our desires. We can act on faith, but remain cognizant of the fact that faith – common sense = gullibility. And there are plenty of folks, like Trudeau and Coldwell, who stand ready and more than willing to exploit that gullibility.

    1. @RevRonsRants,

      Hi,

      You wrote: “I think it would be foolish to summarily discount treatments that have proved themselves effective for hundreds of years, just as I think it foolish to discount mainstream treatments that have withstood scrutiny using current methodologies.”

      Ditto 100%.

      I think the bottom line for most everyone in healthcare and medicine, is the sincere desire for the complete relief of suffering of disease, and the greatest promotion of health and longevity for all people.

      How one gets there is up for debate as seen by the conversations above.

      However, as Salty has demonstrated, there cannot be any room for the promotion of dishonest false hope. IMO, this type of nonsense only serves to create a deepening wedge, mistrust, and lack of understanding within varied professions that are sincerely trying to achieve the same goal.

      (BTW, for something like botanical medicines, it’s been more than hundreds of years ago, – try 50,000 years ago. And now, we are bringing them to task in clinical trials, as we should be. But then there are other medicines/therapies that cannot be assessed as such . . . . . I have to check out Yakaru’s website).

  33. Thumbs up to Salty Droid– can’t wait to hear more. Coldwell’s headline marketing boast is he has cured 35,000 people from cancer at a 92.3% success rate. We know this is false by using simple arithmetic. How many people does he cure every day? 20? Is he a 500-year old elf? And if his boast were true, he should be the doctor of the century and have his picture on the cover of every major publication. I would dare anyone to find any information about Coldwell or his self-reported success that does not come from his own advertising.

  34. Oh, my goodness gracious. Could it be that the critics are all wrong about the good “Dr” C? Here’s a Feb. 2012 vid:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l76NK8N_7A&feature=youtu.be

    At about 1:13: “He has brought me from a little girl to a woman…”

    Judging from the context of the rest of this heartfelt testimonial, what Rachele means is that Lenny has instilled confidence in her and has made her believe that she is a champion — and there’s no stopping her now! She apparently listened to a lot of his CDs and stuff. (Lenny is apparently pretty good at making peeps feel like champions. That’s one big reason so many defend him.)

    Then again, Rachele is, after all, an actress, as she notes over and over. And over. This is either a stellar performance, or else we are listening to the ramblings of a hypnotized cult member.

    On the other hand… how can you argue with this comment to the video?

    “beautiful video , dr coldwell is such a brave man hes been shot at and had his car blown up. He is pushing to help people cure cancer with natural methods. he is such a powerful energetic man from god. Bless him”

    Is he a real man, or a comic-strip hero? Or… what’s that thing that’s the opposite of a hero…

    1. @Cosmic Connie,

      What she says at 3:05, “An’ I don’t have to listen to what anybody says, because if I believe it, I can do it,” sounds like a version of “Your friends and family probably won’t understand” and “If you pay attention to those people, then you’re injecting poison into your brain.”

      It’s unclear where she is on the victim-villain continuum. She “is available to be a motivational speaker for your event or teach master classes.”

    2. @Cosmic Connie & @Lanna ::

      The Rachele Brooke Smith is from Utah … so I guess that’s a helpful blurb on her scamworld resume. But I don’t think she has the right stuff to make it in the biz … too much weakness.

      Because I know that watery eyed :: lost and wandering :: look … I warned Ms. Smith that she should take that vid down before my articles ran … else it would prolly end up a topic of conversation here. She declined to take that advice :: and now here she is … but let’s everyone please be careful with her.

  35. Too late for Rachel to take down her video. Leonard Coldwell has plastered it on his website. Anyone who emails Coldwell will inevitably get his newsletter which does not contain an UNSUBSCRIBE BUTTON. That’s right, once you’re on his list, you’re on it for life. Actually it’s illegal not to have an unsubscribe button, but Coldwell does not care. Or maybe he’s just too lazy to tell his webmaster.

    1. @Trudy Adams ::

      It’s not too late :: he’s just embeding her Youtube on his site … if she removes it from Youtube it will be removed from his site {and this site}.

  36. More fun facts about doctor doctor doctor doctor Coldwell (all from thedrcoldwellreport.blogspot.com (or google Dr Len Coldwell biography)

    Prof Dr. Peter Lange the President of the Charitee in Berlin (equal to the NIH) says: ” My colleague Dr. Leonard Coldwell is the David Copperfield of his field.” Politicians, Movie Stars, Presidents of many of the largest companies, Nobel prize Winner in Medicine and celebrities from all walks of life belong to Dr. Coldwell’s patients, clients and students.

    A Nobel Prize winner in Medicine? You don’t say.

    Soon after the tragedy of September 11, 2001, he was called on by the U.S. Naval Weapons Station in Charleston, SC to address stress related problems as an expert on traumatic stress relief. He continues to develop programs for firefighters, military, police and other professionals to relieve “stress,”

    That sentence is written strangely. He only says “soon after” 9/11. but he doesn’t say when and whether it was in anyway related to programs implemented as a result of 9/11 (referring to care & treatment of first-responder type people as a result of the attack). My point being, this sounds like a tricky way to sound as if he went in and helped people who suffered because of 9/11.

    He is recognized by US President George W. Bush, the US Congress, the South Carolina Governor as well as Senators and Congressmen and the leaders of the Veteran organization and Churches around the country. His support for the MUSC ended with a standing ovation. President Barack Obama thanked Dr. Coldwell for his support

    Congressman Joe Wilson presented Dr. Coldwell at the US Congress with a special recognition and that stated: “Best wishes to my good friend Dr. Leonard Coldwell, appreciate your promotion of Democracy.” Warmest Regards, Joe Wilson Member of Congress.

    So which is it? The government won’t let him heal all the cancer or the government (including congress and 2 US Presidents are acknowledging his contributions and the military is asking him to work on programs? Also, I got a letter in the mail last week from William Jefferson Clinton thanking me for my support. So I think I’m going to put on my resume that President Bill Clinton thanked me for my support.

    Also,

    Prof Dr. Peter Lange the President of the Charitee in Berlin (equal to the NIH) says: ” My colleague Dr. Leonard Coldwell is the David Copperfield of his field.”

    Everything I’ve found about Prof Dr. Peter Lange, President of the Charitee in Berlin is in German…so, any German speakers know anything about this?

    1. @What the what,

      Aaaaand Congressman Joe Wilson is the guy who screamed out “You Lie!” during Pres Obama’s Health Care Speech to Congress in 2009 and got himself kicked out and later had to apologize.

    2. @What the what, When I was working on my own blog post about Bernd, friend of mine who had pointed that link out to me wrote, “A quick search for Peter Lange shows only a Peter Lange who is a director of administration from a college in Berlin.” But my friend doesn’t speak German and neither do I. Here’s hoping some of our German speaking pals can help clarify.

      And yes, Bernd seems to be quite proud of his association, such as it is, with Congressman Joe Wilson. Even has a photo of the two of them together. But more than likely all he has besides that is a form letter from Wilson’s office thanking him for his patriotism and support.

      At any rate, one spot that the photo of Coldwell and Wilson appears is in his Facebook photo album titled, “Dr. Leonard Coldwell Events.” Here’s the blurb for that photo:
      “Dr Coldwell at Chongress, getting standing ovations from US Senators, Chongressmen MUSC etc”

      Chongress? Chongressmen? Oh, English is a vexing language, to be sure. I am not sure what a MUSC is, though. Maybe a musk ox?

      In recent years Coldwell has become as famous for his right-wingnutty political rants as he has for his “health” advice (another reason he and Trudeau got along so well).

      1. @Cosmic Connie,

        Yes, it’s a little confusing.

        “Peter Lange is the director of administration and finance at Freie Universität Berlin.” [1]

        And “the Charité – Universitätsmedizin Berlin [is] a joint institution of the Freie Universität Berlin and the Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin.” [2]

        But Prof.Dr. Lange seems to be Klaus-Peter Lange, at the “Laboratory for dental materials and Biomaterials, Department of Prosthetics and geriatric dentistry of Dental Medicine, University Hospital “Charité” at Humboldt University in Berlin.” [3, via Google Translate<]

    3. @What the what,

      Univ.Prof.Dr. Klaus-Peter Lange, sometimes listed as simply Peter Lange, works at the Charité – Universitätsmedizin Berlin, “one of the largest university hospitals in Europe,” in the Center for Dentistry CCM/CVK, Department of Prosthetic Dentistry and Oral Gerontology. [1] [English links for you]

      Impressive, but he’s not the President, and a university hospital is not “equal to the NIH.” I’m forwarding Univ.Prof.Dr. Lange’s email to @SD for followup.

      1. @Lanna, & others,

        I can check out the German stuff. I’ll have a closer look at it later today.

        In general, as I’ve pointed out before, the medical profession in Germany barely even acknowledges a distinction between mainstream and alternative medicine. It is perfectly normal for a GP to practice homeopathy. The Charite has run studies into how homeopathy affects the “chi” of its patients, for example — i.e. there’s doubt that it works.

        Alt med is a massive and politically very powerful lobby group here, with adherents on all sides of the political spectrum — everything from the (very powerful) Green Party on one side to old Nazis on the other.

        Same with pseudo-science & para-psychology. It’s academically recognized and very popular. So it comes as no surprise to me that someone like Coldwell should find support at high levels of this corrupt and idiotic system that has grown up here.

        **Just for the record, I was a (albeit low level) alt med practitioner for about ten years, and an Anthroposophist (whose medical faction is legally protected here) for 7 years or more.

        1. @Yakaru, I for one am very appreciative of your knowledge of German language and culture. And now… just with this one short post, you have already blown a few more holes in Bernd’s ongoing narrative and the mythology he has built around himself. Perhaps you have also shed a little more light on why he REALLY left Germany. Soooo… I’m thinking it wasn’t because of oppression from the German medical establishment and the pharmaceutical industry, as Lenny seems to have often implied. At least the “oppression,” if there had been any, was not based on the establishment’s lack of acceptance of alt-med (as he also seems to imply — though I am not sure; he’s still pretty cagey about his past even when people ask him point-blank).

          And not surprisingly, the medical establishment (particularly the cancer industry) and Big Pharma are still after him even here in the US, according to him, which is why he claims his life is constantly in danger. But he continues to fight bravely for the people. I find it amazing that anyone still believes his martyr story, but then again, many believed (and continue to believe) Trudeau’s martyr story as well.

        2. @Yakaru,

          Thank you! I also appreciate your expertise in all things German. You’ve also helped me better understand why botanical extracts are on the national prescription formulary there. I’d come across these in my work:

          In most countries, Ginkgo biloba is marketed as a dietary supplement;in France and Germany, however, it has long been licensed as a prescribable drug for various indications including intermittent claudication and tinnitus. [1]

          At present, Curcurbitae pepo seeds, Urtica dioica root, Pollinis siccae extract and Sabal serrulata seed extract are approved for the treatment of prostatic diseases in Germany. [2]

          Here’s a true (as it was told to me) story that I just remembered:

          I had a coworker whose husband trained as a surgeon in Bosnia. His Bosnian medical license wasn’t recognized in the U.S., so he couldn’t get a U.S. medical license without more-or-less repeating med school. My coworker had a German parent, so she was able to apply for German citizenship for herself and her husband, and then he was able to get a German medical license because they recognize the Bosnian license as equivalent. However, the German medical license is not recognized by the U.S.. Eventually he found a job in Denmark, which recognizes the German license, and they moved there.

          Pretending for a moment that not-Dr. Coldwell’s degrees and 16 years as GP are real, why would he leave CAM-friendly Germany? If he did leave, why wouldn’t he go somewhere where his German medical license would be recognized?

          1. @Lanna,

            I can now praise the German medical system and academic institutions in general: if there’s one thing they take SERIOUSLY here it’s the title of “Dr”. There are serious consequences for claiming to be “Dr” if you didn’t earn it at a proper university. (For example, Pastor Terry Jones, the Koran burner, was fined €4000 when he was a minister in Cologne, for refering to himslef as “Dr” when all he had was a US doctoorate in theology from some crappy US university.) And claiming to be a medical without a proper medical qualification is a double crime as well as a moral outrage.

            I can state categorically that there is NO WAY that Coldwell has ever practiced medicine in Germany as a GP like he insinuates.

            “Dr Leonard Coldwell” is legally considered to be “Herr Bernd Wichtner alias Klein”. (That’s how he’s recorded the court documents.)

            They don’t even recognize his (US made) name change here, let alone his phony US Doctor title.

            He would be committing a criminal act if he were to claim he’s a GP here, and would be looking at a stiff fine, a public scandal, and possibly a jail sentence, depending on whether or not he’d “treated” people.

            There’s a minimal qualification here for a non-medical practitioner of alt med, called a Heilpraktiker (a lot of my friends have it) which you need to have in order to offer acupuncture of whatever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilpraktiker (link in English). It’s not many hours and quite easy to get, but without it you’re not allowed to even practice woo! It’s strictly regulated.

            And Coldwell isn’t even a Heilpraktiker!

            Also, (Cosmic Connie points this out) his disclaimers refer all complaints to the “Dr Leonard Coldwell Foundation e V”. An “e. V.” is an

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eingetragener_Verein

            which means a registered association . But I find no contact details for it anywhere in the internet and, most importantly, record of it in the official online register.

            It’s also a joke that such an “internationally acclaimed” figure as Coldwell claims to be would have an amateur association as the core of his business. No serious business person in Germany would use an e. V. as the foundation of their business. It would immediately flag it as a scam. Originally e. V.’s were supposed to be things like a chess club, or a church group, and the laws are drawn up accordingly.

            1. @Yakaru, I want to thank you again for shedding so much light on these issues for those of us who don’t live in Germany and don’t speak the language.

              FWIW, I have finally made corrections and clarifications on my May blog post about Coldwell. I was puzzled about a lawsuit in which he was involved, as explained on a German-language web site to which I had linked. Thanks to Yakaru I believe I have a better understanding of the issues, though the explanations raise more questions than they answer, as so often seems to be the case with Coldwell.

              Anyway, the new text is an eye-searing shade of Bernd-shirt pink. I realize the issues I wrote about are not the most serious ones, but I wanted to be as accurate as possible on my post. Thanks again, Yak!

            2. @Yakaru, @Lanna, @Cosmic Connie,

              Thanks for the assist and all the excellent info! Now I promise to stop asking everyone else to do my homework for me. (I think this has been the third time recently. I present as an excuse that I am caring for a friend’s chihuahua with luxating patella that has required he be kept virtually immobile for four weeks. As you can imagine he is not very cooperative. And my own tiny dog who never, ever, stops playing isn’t helping matters. I am slowly being driven mad by very tiny canines).

              Although @Yakaru has forever damned himself to be my source for all things German here. [/smile]

  37. Someone should email Dr Peter Lange to confirm. In Coldwell’s book “The Only Answer to Cancer” he lists 6 German clinics that Coldwell recommends cancer patients go to because they use the techniques that he advocates. An Amazon bookreviewer named James Wilson decided to contact these German clinics and find out if they know Coldwell and if they use his techniques. These are supposedly the guys that are on his side. Three of them wrote back and said THEY NEVER HEARD OF COLDWELL at all! (So much for Coldwell’s endorsements) Here is the reference http://www.amazon.com/Only-Answer-Cancer-Leonard-Coldwell/dp/0982442874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346802868&sr=8-1&keywords=only+answer+to+cancer

    1. @Trudy Adams,

      This is an interesting description from the blurb: “About the Author After 16 years as a General Practitioner in Europe…”

      So he was a GP for 16 years? Or maybe general practitioner means that he was kind generally practicing stuff. Here in Germany he is not even recognized as having the right to call himself a “Dr” of any kind, let alone a practicing GP.

      1. @Yakaru, @Trudy Adams, It’s pretty easy to see why “Dr” Coldwell apparently viewed America as the Land of Opportunity. America has been very, very good to him, which is probably why he is such a fierce, proud patriot on behalf of his adopted country (or at least he plays one on the Internet), and it’s probably why he hob-nobs (at least in his own head) with fearless Congressman Joe Wilson. And it’s also no doubt the reason that he takes the time to parrot every profoundly ridiculous, long-since-disproved anti-Obama urban legend he can get his hands on. It’s all for the sake of the people. It’s all to help America.

        And speaking of Helping America, that’s the name of a company run by Trudeau to peddle frauducts such as a colloidal silver supplement. I found another document from back in the days when Lenny and Kevin were still buds. The doc lists many of Coldwell’s “credentials” and endorsements we’re already discussing — but it also gives more insight into the big dreams of this little man:

        “In 2000, Dr. Coldwell made the decision to invest his time, knowledge and experience in teaching and consulting to help make a better world for children and parents. Through his children’s foundation, he is helping teachers, parents and children deal with stress and drugs in the local schools. Further, he is well into the planning stages for the world’s largest most comprehensive health resort. His plan is to house every mainstream, alternative, holistic and integrated therapy system in one location so that patients will have access to state of the art healing arts and practices in a wellness setting unique to the world. Finally, Dr. Coldwell is in the final stages of completing multimedia self-help library that addresses all aspects of life and the human condition. The system is called the Library of Life.”

        http://www.helpingamerica.com/PDF/Dr.%20Coldwell%20Endorsement.pdf

        The health resort idea was also co-opted by Trudeau and GIN — one of many things Trudeau promised to develop as GIN continued to grow. But damn it all, these noble plans were foiled again by the New World Order and/or the evil government and/or the shills for Big Pharma and the medical establishment.

        1. BTW, I would have provided a link to the document listing the big plans for GIN — plans that included medical clinics, resorts, etc. — but I saw those on a blog post written by a GINinon earlier this year, and it no longer seems to be on the Internet.

          OMT: Coldwell’s credentials in the PDF document I linked to in my previous comment is one of several I’ve seen that list him as “Board Certified NMD DNM PHD CNHPA.” I think Coldwell may be certifiable, but I am not so sure about “Board Certified,” though it’s possible that the diploma mills from which he prolly bought his degrees sell their own board certifications for extra $$$. Actually, that makes sense. What’s a full service McCreds or fast-cred operation without board certifications on the menu?

          1. @Cosmic Connie,

            If he really earned himself a German Dr title, he’d have little trouble presenting pulling some of those stunts here. But he’d also have no need. Dr’s are highly respected and well paid here. They don’t need to stoop to crappy publicity stunts.

            For all the acceptance of alt med in Germany, the one they have less than zero tolerance for is people calling themselves when they don’t have a degree! Having a Dr title means real status here – they even put “Dr” on their doorbell nametag thing. And of course if they have two Dr degrees, then they really do write Dr. Dr. Bla-Bla, and are addressed as so by everyone!

  38. I knew Leonard C ever since I was a little kid and he has haunted me since then. This is for the fact that he molested a dear friend of mine. Having looked at multiple internet sites Leonard has up for himself, I knew from an early age that he was a fake. Not to mention the fact that a friend of mine had a newspaper article from Germany stating that he “brain washed” people (the equivalent to being a con artist, or so I was told). I am just glad that this blog is up and that hopefully Leonard will be held responsible for all of the lives he has hurt, and for intimidating the young women he molested into not talking!

    1. @Anonymous, I guess I’m not surprised. As soon as SD said, “I know your secret,” I assumed it had something to do with molestation. Will be interesting to see where this leads.

  39. @RevRonRants

    Your comment was taken in the spirit you intended. I hadn’t meant to impune your doctor’s diagnostic skills – my point was, without a biopsy to confirm, the initial diagnosis may have been incorrect. Your physician’s skills and experience are impressive – but none of us is infallible, and my explanation still seemed the most plausible to me – at least until I found published case reports of *spontaneous* remission of metastatic melanoma (for those who don’t know, metastasis is secondary spread – prognosis is usually grim by this stage, but there at least 7 reported cases of this spontaneously receding).

    So while the lack of a biopsy means I’ll continue to be a little skeptical, I’m less sanguine than I was ;-)

  40. Wow! More miracle cures!

    Someone on FB asked if a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and silver really works as an AIDS cure.

    Sez Leonard Coldwell Nmd Phd: It should! 8 drops of 35% H2O2 of 8 ounces of aloe vera juice 3 times a day is what my colleagues and I used in Europe successfully for the the treatmement [sic] of Aids and every other microbial infection. What do you think they used to cure Magic Jonson from Aids? ( or more correct HIV infection )

    https://www.facebook.com/DrColdwell/posts/410593702337916

  41. Yesterday one of my good friends (from another cty) asked me if I wanted to join the “freemasons..skull and bones..and become successful like I wouldn’t believe” At first I said I’ll pass, but after some more wrangling from him, I said what the hell…lets see what you got.

    So he sends me over CD 1 of what is suppose to be 14hours long. Lo and behold it’s none other than Kevin Tru-douche. So I listen all the way to the end of the 1st cd and here is good ol’ KT talking about how he was a member of “the brotherhood”, how he’s a 33rd degree mason, and how he’s met “violent” resistance from them by coming out and giving us the “secrets”.

    My bullshit meter was on full alert by this point but the thing that got me steaming and laughing at the same time was towards the end of the cd when TruDouche brings up the “Teachability Index”. I guess this farce of a measuring stick is what you’re suppose to use when you’re trying to decide whether you want to shell out the 1,000’s of dollars to learn more secrets. TruDouche brings up his own example of how he used the Teachability Index when he went to a seminar and was offered to go to LA for a $1000 to learn how to make millions. Using his teachability index, he decided it was worth it because he’s so 100% gung-ho teachable, so he went and made $2.5 million. (Surprise, he wasn’t even the top earner from that class..so he says).

    Yeah folks…if common sense ever creeps in…do what Trudouche did…use the “Teachability Index”.

    on another note: I need to rescue my friend from this mess. Thanks Salty Droid…I sent him the link to this article and your site. I found your site years ago and thank you for your efforts. You too Cosmic Connie!

  42. Are you sure he’s German? his accent is very NON German… some Eastern Europe, Hungary or somewhere close….

    1. @Anfisa, Well, old documents list him as a citizen of the Republic of Germany. His birth name was Bernd Klein, which sounds kind of German to me. Maybe he cultivated a more generic European accent.

  43. So one sickoe slams another sickoe. Where is the data? I don’t see Coldwell using that kind of language or anybody of integrity for that matter.

  44. Aside from the fact that you’re right about Coldwell, and that he deserves to rot in jail forever, I still feel it was extremely inappropriate to insult this idiot’s mother (who swallowed Hepatitis). People like LC are all too common. In fact, many of the Sociopaths of today are believed to have inherited limited frontal-lobe activity in the brain. Mix that with some form of abuse, and voila! You got yourself a serial killer/rapist/DV scumbag.

    Either way, Hepatitis is a horrible disease. Your filter (the liver) just quits filtering the toxins in your blood and you die of either septic shock or whatever else.

    Not defending LC, he is top-grade scum for sure.

    Flame me if you want, but I think that comment was uncalled for. We all have Mothers (at least for 9-months).

    Jim

    1. @Jim,

      As far as I know, the only reason anyone would would flame you for a comment like that is if you turned out to be a supporter of LC who’s trying to at least land one punch in his defense. Not saying you are, but if you did turn out to be, I wouldn’t drop dead with shock.

      Anyway, Coldwell’s mother is also a supporter (she provided material support in a frivolous and stupid court case he filed in Germany, where he pulled a dirty trick on his critics and lost), and she’s also allowed him to use her as a human shield by telling and retelling that idiotic story.

  45. @Yakaru

    Believe me, I am not a part of anything having to do with a low-life like Leonard Coldwell, and IMHO what he does is indefensible. I don’t care what the reason, it is unforgivable. I respect SD a great deal, maybe that is why I was upset at the comment. Whether scumbag’s mother is good or bad isn’t the issue, I just didn’t like the comment’s context. No big deal, nobody’s perfect, it just struck a chord in me at the time. That’s all. :)

    Jim

    1. @Jim ::

      I actually agree with you that jokes about people’s family are not appropriate or helpful. But Bernd “healing mommy” is primary part of all his web bios and speaking engagements. So it had to be mentioned. My joke about her was not really about her :: and was intended to be mostly nonsensical … just like Lenny.

      1. @SD

        Okay, I see what you mean. Basically, stick your chin out far and often enough, someone will eventually punch it. Man, what a bottom-feeding reptile Bernd (pronounced dew-sh-bag) is.

        Scientists think that around 50% of all businessmen and women are clinical sociopaths. No conscience. You’ll never hear them utter:

        “Yeah, but I could never do that to someone, regardless of the payoff”

        This world is a fucking nuthouse.

        1. @Jim,

          Fifty percent sounds really high. Can we get a source? Maybe a “journal entry”? I mean, what kind of “scientists” are we even talking about?

          1. @Lanna

            Sorry, I thought this was a blog comment, and not Grand Jury testimony. Since there is no practical way of figuring out just how many there are, people speak off the cuff and express their speculation based on their own perspective.

            You’re right though, and let me say thanks for rooting out all the wanna-be Stephen Glass proteges on here.

  46. Pretty section of content. I just stumbled upon your weblog and in accession
    capital to assert that I acquire actually enjoyed account your blog posts.
    Anyway I will be subscribing to your feeds and even I achievement you access consistently fast.

    1. @this guide,

      Pretty not-so-good comment. I just stumbled on your comment-thing and… wtf is “accession capital”? I actually am getting a little bored with comments that read like yours. I realize, I probably shouldn’t waste my time writing about it, but consider this to be my one comment that will stand in for all the other times I read a comment this bad.

      Anyway, please don’t subscribe or try to link-bait back to whatever-the-f~*k it is that you have at “antagonistgames.com” (your profile!? …
      !?

      !!)

      I guess it’s comments like yours that inform @Jack’s writing style. You make my brain hurt. I can’t even tell if you’re a real person for whom English is not your first language or if you’re just some bot with delusions of sentience.

      My cows explode in your general direction.

  47. You are a cocksucker. Oh no wait… A BLIND cocksucker… Or you are just stupid. Dr. Leonard who the fuck ever cares if thats his real name has helped a shit load of people and continues to do so. If you are bored why don’t you pick a topic you understand a little better. People like you make the world a worse place. Fuck you.
    Thank you.

    1. @Johann,

      You have failed to even attempt to address any of the issues raised here. “He has helped many” is the standard assertion in such cases, (and in fact all it means that he has convinced many that they have been helped), and would not absolve the offender even if it were true.

      So what you’ve done is acknowledge that you have no response to the accusations, but still want to defend him somehow. I call that weak-minded moral cowardice.

    2. @Johann,

      If can’t even be sure what his name is… then how can you be so sure he’s actually ever helped anyone? I mean apart from himself and Keven Trudeau of course.

      Furry cows moo and decompress.

  48. @linkus,

    http://watchout4snakes.com/creativitytools/randomparagraph/randomparagraph.aspx with input “scams”,”dumb”

    Scams chews underneath your ageing highway. Another feeble interference posed scams below the outdated boundary. How does dumb gasp throughout the terminated vehicle? The pornography strains before the premise! A trap dimensions scams underneath the writer.

    Ok. Now I’m making myself a rule to ignore these in the future. ’cause otherwise I’m just gonna keep responding to their gibberish with gibberish. And it’s on to the death o’ the ‘net.


    Furry cows moo and decompress.

  49. @davo,

    Read the posts, idiot. If his cancer cures really worked he’d still be a scammer who lies, cheats and sexually abuses women, and worse. And if he was right there would be tens of thousands of of people wandering about with medical records that show their cancer got cured. But continue not thinking about that.

  50. Superb blog! Do you have any tips for aspiring writers?
    I’m hoping to start my own site soon but I’m a little lost on
    everything. Would you advise starting with a free platform like
    Wordpress or go for a paid option? There are so many
    options out there that I’m completely overwhelmed .. Any recommendations? Many thanks!

    1. @Darlene,

      I didn’t write the article, but I have some advice for you anyway.

      Next time… read the article before commenting on it. It helps out oodles and oodles.

      I don’t think you should start a site of your own at this time. But if you do, don’t pay anybody any money to “help” you.

      I recommend that the decisive, immediate action that you should definitely take as part of your Definite Major Purpose is to actively decide to…

      wait a while. At least six months to a year… Don’t buy anything relating to blogging or “make money online”. Read saltydroid.info. Let it soak in.


      Furry cows moo and decompress.

  51. If your so salty & all knowing then 1.Why do you use such immature language to attack others that have different ideas than the normal mainstream medical, phycological, and religious establishment to improve ones life? 2. If this Dr. Coldwell, aka Bernd Heinz whatever is such a scammer then you should be brave enough to label normal mainstream medical, phycological, and religious establishment practices that have anyone paying a fee or tithes for their services that do not always help them with their real problems as well. I guess Salty & Cosmic Conwoman your just puppets for them after all…

    1. @AaronAllGoodThings,

      1. To quote the Salty Droid quoting Dr. Joost Meerloo’s 1956 “The Rape of the Mind”:

      We must learn to treat the demagogue and aspirant dictator in our midst just as we should treat our external enemies in a cold war — with the weapon of ridicule. The demagogue himself is almost incapable of humor of any sort, and if we treat him with humor, he will begin to collapse.

      2. Leonard Coldwell aka Bernd Klein isn’t being discussed here because of his services not helping people with their real problems. This article just introduces him so we could place the next post about him, “Dr. Leonard Coldwell’s HandsOn Healing,” and the accompanying forcible fondling incident report in context. Read that and get back to us … or not.

    2. @AaronAllGoodThings, Lanna nailed it. But another point you might want to consider, since you brought it up, is that few of Coldwell’s ideas are actually original or different; most are standard alt-med pap borrowed or stolen from other alt-med hucksters (and in some cases some legitimate researchers) — but with a whole bunch of B.S. thrown in too, in order to make Leonard/Bernd seem special or unique, and therefore worthy of your money and your trust.

      Loony C has accused me (“the Cosmic Conwoman,” presumably, though he called me something worse than that) of being paid by Big Pharma and/or the medical establishment to discredit him. But this is the first time I have been accused of being a puppet of the “phycological [sic] and religious” establishments too. I sure do have a lot of big important connections for a blogger whose blog no one reads (according to Loony).

Comments are closed.