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Eric Graudins said:
Wow. What a disclaimer. A new low has been reached.
Unfortunately the people who will blindly fall for this latest pile of garbage are never likely to read it.
And the Kajabi boys don’t seem to have much confidence in the reliability of their platform either, given THEIR disclaimer.
“NO JAMES RAY INTERNATIONAL PROVIDER GUARANTEES THE CONTINUOUS, UNINTERRUPTED OR SECURE ACCESS TO THE JAMES RAY INTERNATIONAL SITE OR ANY RELATED SERVICES. THE OPERATION OF THE JAMES RAY INTERNATIONAL SITE MAY BE INTERFERED WITH BY NUMEROUS FACTORS OUTSIDE THE CONTROL OF ANY JAMES RAY INTERNATIONAL PROVIDER.”
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SD Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:48 pm
@Eric Graudins ::
In the sales letter he says …
“you’ll have the lifetime free access to reference them again and again.”
… so I guess he plans to pay Andy et al. in perpetuity … assuming that he’s paying at all … which I kinda doubt.
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Eric Graudins Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:32 pm
@SD,
Maybe JR means HIS lifetime, which if his clients wake up and organise a lynch mob – is likely to be short!
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Li_Kuan Reply:
November 26th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Hmmm… From the Book of James: “I’ve guided a number of your peers to their deaths, and am therefore even more prepared to guide you on whatever path you have chosen in your life. I’ve seen my own financial well-being crumble, and am therefore uniquely qualified to show you the path to financial success. I am completely unwilling to engage in meaningful introspection, or incapable of doing so; therefore, I am the one you will want to mentor you in your own efforts to better understand your own life, and the mysteries of life i general.”
Bet he can’t even conceive of the sick irony he has become.
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# 23 November 2010 at 6:35 am

Ryan Healy said:
And the scamming continues…
Can’t they muzzle this guy or duck tape his fingers together so he can’t type anymore?
James Ray can’t be trusted with words.
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SD Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:55 pm
@Ryan Healy ::
They should have made his reduced bail conditional on him using only Pig Latin until after the trial.
Enwhay isway OWNAY ethay ightray imetay otay artstay otay opstay uckingsay?
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# 23 November 2010 at 8:39 am

Ryan Healy said:
Side note (of interest if you know HTML):
Did you notice the Title Tag on the James Ray’s Kajabi sales page? It starts with a font tag, which shows up in the browser tab.
Don’t the Kajabi folks know the font tag was deprecated years ago? And couldn’t they find a better way to display a headline than applying font tags to the title tag??
Noobs!
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:32 am
@Ryan Healy, I saw that and took a screen shot of it for posterity. That accused felon’s voice is gratingly annoying. I don’t see how anyone could stand to listen to him for any period of time.
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Bohica Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:03 pm
@Ryan Healy,
dude there are so many problems with the html on that page it’s not even funny… not that it was funny… or that it was trying to be funny.
font tags, p tags inside h1 tags (bolded to make it look like a headline)… ugh.
anywayz….
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Jack Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
@Ryan Healy, I think the Kajabi people do like to deprecate things – especially the human being type things so I can see that maybe they did it as part of their mission probably.
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# 23 November 2010 at 8:46 am

Narcissits said:
I’d bet my non existant ten condos on Fifth Ave that those disclaimers don’t hold up in any court. Thus, it tells us two things:
1) Those scammers are fucking idiots
2) The think other people are even bigger idiots
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SD Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:00 pm
@Narcissits ::
Agreed … this would never hold up … it’s too bizarre. But that won’t stop him from trying to use it to bully people who are easily bullied.
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Shit Storm Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
@SD, salty you are so correct…its there for later on down the line when they call to complain about the first purchase
guaranteed many will just slam the phone and walk away from their money
This guys is a piece of shit and it doesn’t surprise me to see jenkins in there
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John RayLoosa Reply:
November 26th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
@Narcissits, Blame it on the coke…it makes us think we’re invincible…I’m sorry…I’m almost out of coke…I’ll really be sorry then…
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Jimmy Reply:
November 28th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
@Narcissits, you beat me to it. Those disclaimers would NEVER hold up in court. You can’t waive gross negligence. Just like if a parking garage posts a sign that say “we are not responsible for any damage to your car while parked here”…sure they are!
I’m just surprised he didn’t add a disclaimer that said “You agree that JAR is not responsible if you die at our event, even if we kill your dumb ass ourselves.”
And, do you think it’s possible to maintain true Harmonic Wealth® in the darkest and most difficult time you’ve ever faced? True Harmonic Wealth? I got to get me some of that sh*t!
AND THIS ONE TAKES THE PRIZE:
“BY ENROLLING IN THE MENTORING EVENT PROGRAM…YOU FURTHER AGREE THAT JAMES ARTHUR RAY AND JAMES RAY INTERNATIONAL, INC. HAVE INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY FULFILLED ANY AND ALL OBLIGATIONS THAT MAY HAVE OR COULD ARISE AS A RESULT OF YOU REGISTERING AND PRE-PAYING ANY FEE OR FEES FOR ANY SEMINAR, SEMINARS, PROGRAM OR PROGRAMS OFFERED BY JAMES ARTHUR RAY AND/OR JAMES RAY INTERNATIONAL, INC.”
So once you’ve enrolled, he has fulfilled ALL his obligations. What a deal…I enroll, you get paid and you fulfilled all your obligations. Hey, FREE MONEY!
I guess that what he means by True Harmonic Fucking Wealth. (no trademark seal necessary since I added “fucking”.
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Duff Reply:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
@Jimmy,
“You agree that JAR is not responsible if you die at our event, even if we kill your dumb ass ourselves.”
Believe it or not, they did have a waiver with a “death clause” for the Spiritual Warrior Event. This of course won’t hold up in court either.
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# 23 November 2010 at 8:49 am

Rafael Marquez said:
At first I was thinking that Matt Harward was a disciple of Ray’s, but now I’m thinking it might be the other way around. I wonder how many stupid people out there will buy into this craptastic product.
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# 23 November 2010 at 9:26 am

Mathias said:
How to gain the physical strength and vitality that you truly deserve…
James Ray is a fitness coach?
“How to let go of past limitations and breakthrough to new levels of achievement… ”
You are a murder James, you will forever be haunted by your past.
“How to build habits of thoughts, feelings, and actions that guarantee you create the results you desire in all areas of life.. ”
How to… build, or integrate, discover, create, do, achieve, get, claim, manifest, transform. Whatever. Fact is You can put a lots of words next to “how to”.
“The three secrets of compensation and how to guarantee maximum returns immediately… ”
Compensation has three secrets, i have two hands, everybody’s got something
“The seven internal drivers that cause you to take action, and how to get moving in the right direction fast…”
Seven drivers cause me to do things, seven drivers!
Human behavior demystified by vague computer-language.
Now, Please tell me how to tweak those drivers because i wanna drive fast.
“How to understand and master the six keys of influence to use with all those you contact… ”
Six Keys, no door, no entrance.
“How to vanquish procrastination once and for all…”
yes, Squeeze it out!
“The single most important factor for visualizing that most students (and teachers) don’t know… ”
Yep, Students and teachers can’t make pictures in their minds, and they don’t know about X-factor.
How to create powerful relationships and partnerships…
“Mafia, Business Cartels, Wall Stret brokers and military alliances… Powerful relationships rocks!”
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Yakaru Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
@Mathias,
How to gain the physical strength and vitality that you truly deserve…
“James Ray is a fitness coach?”
No, he’s probably selling steroids through network marketing.
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Toxic Moxie Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:59 pm
@Yakaru, @Mathias …So James Ray thinks he’s a FITNESS COACH??!!! That Mo-Fo wears a *girdle* on stage to suck in that gut of his….he drinks his green goo-smoothies to give him energy in front of people, but makes them think it’s because he lives a “healthy life”—gee, he forgot to mention the 10 Budweiser’s he pounds down thereafter. He’s so full of BOTOX that everytime I see one of his video’s, I am now addicted to looking at his face to see which part is not moving this week. People are talking now that even his hair is due to Propecia enhancement. Well, why not add one more drug to the list…I’m sure Propecia mixes with Valtrex and Steroids just fine in his syringes….although I wonder how the inmates are gonna like a “Bitch” with those incredibly shriveled balls? Hmmmm….
@Mathias, you made my day with that topic. I will chuckle all day on this one.
A fitness Coach my asssssss — Yeah right….and I’m the fucking Pope.
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# 23 November 2010 at 10:11 am

422 said:
Ok people, I’m missing something here. Why would James Ray connect himself with low level people like Andy Jenkins?? Also, why would Jenkins align himself with someone who is facing murder charges in a few months? I was asking myself a similar question about Tony Robbins and Kern. Tony Robbins is a big player compared to Kern and Co., no? What on earth would Kern be able to do for someone who’s reached the levels of scamming that Tony has?
Sometimes it feels as if the events that transpire on this blog are some kind of storyline script, this is just too weird.
Salty, what is going on? This is getting stranger and stranger. Why would these “big shots” give the time of day to these little syndicate runts? Am I missing something?
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:49 am
@422, Follow the money
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Stoic Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
@422,
‘Two heads are better than one’ must work in scamming circles also, or ‘birds of a feather…..’?
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422 Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:37 pm
@Stoic, & @Rafael I get what you mean, but James Ray is Oprah level scamming, Andy Jenkins, et. al. is just some country bumpkin on the Internet. It’s like the CEO of McDonald’s enlisting the french fry person to help them. At least that’s how I see it, that’s why I am puzzled. Maybe I am wrong and I underestimated the syndicate runts.
@Rafael, follow the money, but are the syndicate runts really making all this big money for mainstream media quacks to give them the time of day?? I could see their value to James Ray, he’s broke, in trouble, and they can help him scam a little money up for legal fees, but how does Tony Robbins fit into this with Kern, who is also part of the syndicate runt circle.
Then, there’s the thing with Bob Proctor that Salty hinted at in previous posts and comments.
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:24 pm
@422, I was thinking about just that. I think that these folks learned of each other on this here blog and decided that they have enough “synergy” to work together.
For Ray, methinks he’s gaining access to online expertise he hasn’t had or didn’t have before. For the syndicate people, they’re gaining what is perceived to be a veneer of respectability by associating with big names like Robbins and even Death Ray. Throw access to the Death Ray and Banana Hands’ lists as the cherry on top.
All in all, I think these guys would throw each other under the bus the first chance they get, but won’t as long as the cash keeps rolling in. Unfortunately, I think these guys are going to make a ton of money (all they care about) at the expense of those who can least afford to spend it.
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Hal (the original Hal) Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 11:05 am
@422,
Maybe I’ve been reading this blog too long but the Death Ray – Andy Jenkins connection actually makes sense (in a sick sort of way).
We all know none of these pricks do anything out of the goodness of their heart because you can’t get light from darkness. Everything they do is self centered and greed driven.
Death Ray is awaiting trial and needs JVs to scam people to get the bills paid.
Kajabi was a flop in every way and Jenkins needs fresh meat to pay the bills.
Anybody who would pay for mentoring from someone like Death Ray is the perfect candidate for someone who would get sucked into Kajabi and vise versa.
The over the top, after the sales page disclaimer is just Bullying 101 for the same victim profile to minimize support, refunds and liability.
Given the way Jenkins sucked up to Walker in that infamous nauseating phone call he probably did a similar win/win suck up pitch to Death Ray.
It’s a no risk proposition for a sociopath like Death Ray and minimal risk for a kiss ass like Jenkins.
The potential upside? Just imagine the deluge of positive thinking, overcome all adversity crystals, snake oil and frauducts that would hit the boiler rooms if Death Ray beats the murder raps. Downside … he’s convicted and just another Kajabi user, life goes on (for some).
The Syndicate – Robbins connection is however a bit more puzzling, but I have a theory.
Years ago, a friend of mine lent me a Robbins tape (that tells you how long ago) that I was just amazing, blah, blah.
I think it was called Ultimate Power, but not sure. Anyway, on this tape (yes tape), Robbins blathers on about how we’re programmed similar to a Mac and we just need to be properly conditioned to succeed. Apparently he was getting some sort of error on his Mac and his friend told him that it just hadn’t been conditioned or properly trained yet, then proceeded to show him how to condition his Mac.
I think he was trying make an NLP analogy but all I could think at that point was “what an idiot”.
My theory … Robbins doesn’t appear to be the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to technology. My guess is The Syndicate made some touch the hem of his garment pitch based on the “mysterious and magical internet” that they have “mastered” and dollar signs with JVs begin to flash and ring like a Vegas slot machine.
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Duff Reply:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
@Hal (the original Hal),
The assumption here is a business partnership between Jenkins and Ray–it could be that Ray is a mere customer. Furthermore, these circles are very small. Look at James Arthur Ray’s old blog and you’ll find all sorts of names that when you connect the dots leads back to the Syndicate and other scammers.
The Robbins/Syndicate connection is just as obvious. Robbins has been hawking infomercial-based get-rich/fit scams since the 80′s. The Syndicate is just infomercial 2.0.
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# 23 November 2010 at 10:26 am

The Realist said:
Saying JRI is connected with the Syndicate is like saying Salty is in cahoots with WordPress just because he uses the platform. Anyone can use Kajabi, including James Ray or even Kim Jong Ill. Using this logic Go Daddy is part of the JRI scam too because James hosts a few sites with them as well. Maybe Bob Parsons should be the next post and blame him because JRI just happens to use their service? Many of these posts on this site are quite entertaining, but this one is just too much of a stretch for me.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   0
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Stoic Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:36 pm
@The Realist,
Whats in it for Andy, associating with Death Ray?
Think of all those high value customers ($10,000 for a sweat-tent) whose data will shortly be in Kajabi. Then think of Death Ray being out of circulation shortly, or even if he gets off somehow– he will be forever tainted.
Think what the boiler rooms can do with Death Ray’s list.
An alleged murderer with a list is still a valuable list.
Follow the money, the money is in the list.
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SD Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
@The Realist ::
Hi.
You like some of the posts :: you’re a fan {I’m so flattered}.
It’s just that when you comment you prefer to use a proxy … right fuckstar ultra?
Not “anyone” can use Kajabi … because it’s hopelessly useless and aimed at n00bs.
GoDaddy hosts millions of sites :: I’d be surprised if Kajabi hosts 25.
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# 23 November 2010 at 11:18 am

Dave said:
Oh. My. Dog. That is one of the most fucked up notes I have ever seen. Of course, if I hadn’t been following what is going on with the Death Ray, I wouldn’t understand the innuendo and double meanings of so much of that crap.
Just one part:
“So, I’ve taken a lot of time for reflection in the last several months; and I’ve developed a way for you to learn better, faster, and more consistently than ever before”
All I can say is that when your ass is in jail, there’s not a whole lot else to do other than reflect on the stupid actions you took to get to that point in your life. However, I can help all the JAR wannabees with a simple, FREE lesson, right here and now. Ready?
Don’t be a psychopathic narcissist and kill people.
I won’t even put you into a forced continuity program for $77.97 per month for that little gem.
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# 23 November 2010 at 11:34 am

DumberThaniThought said:
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I think some of salty’s audience have just reached an all time high level of stupid.
James Arthur Ray is using Kajabi to fulfill his newest program, so Andy and the Syndicate must have brainstormed with him and are involved in the launch somehow.
Did you forget that Andy just made his Kajabi software available to the marketplace? And maybe, just maybe, James Arthur Ray thought it would be a good platform to use for his future programs and decided to buy it like a few thousand other people did?
C’mon Salty. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
I’m not defending either one of them as I could give a shit less about them, but your reporting is a little off. Maybe a lot.
To a rational person, it just appears that James bought Kajabi and is using it.
It looks like James uses a Mac to do all of his business. I guess Steve Jobs consulted him too.
Nice try though.
I liked you better when you actually knew what you were talking about.
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SD Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:17 pm
@DumberThaniThought ::
Another proxyed “neutral” … it’s a full on outbreak of proxyed neutrality.
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Stoic Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:19 pm
@DumberThaniThought,
James did a deal, Andy did a deal–first law of scammers: never pay market price for anything, they’re both in the same biz.
Do you seriously think that a scammer who can offer this ‘coarse,’ acceptance of which entails signing away evey legal right his customers possess, is going to stand in line with his credit card in hand to pay a fellow scammer full-price for his frauduct?
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SD Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:29 pm
@Stoic ::
Precisely!
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Duff Reply:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
@Stoic,
You have a point there….
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Ryan Healy Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:54 pm
@DumberThaniThought, I’m willing to bet James Ray did not pay for access to Kajabi. He was probably given a complimentary beta account.
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# 23 November 2010 at 12:10 pm

WTF said:
First off, how the FUCK is JAR still making videos
and sending emails?
And in a button up business shirt?
WTF!
The fact that american prison gives murderers this kind of
lenience is on its own… sickening.
But enough about the injustices of the justice system.
I can’t wait to see this fuck eat his own words.
And yes… The strange surreal storyline of this odd
sub human plot will no doubt continue.
The quote ‘the revolution must be televised’ comes to mind…
Keep up the good work droid.
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# 23 November 2010 at 12:23 pm

Pass the Sick Bag said:
News from the front line. Maria Andros’s product has just launched.
War reporting is tough and I only managed a few minutes before nausea overtook me. The levels of deception and manipulation would be comical if they weren’t so sickening.
So she says “I’m not going to insult your intelligence with alot of hype where I try to play with your emotions” at the same time as wearing a low cut shirt to show off her cleavage.
You just have to feel for the people dropping $1,997 on her cr*p.
Comfortingly the sales letter displays the normal level of illiteracy we’ve come to expect from Maria.
“Up to 100,000+ people have received the email directing them to this page”
It can either be “up to 100,000 people” or “100,000+ people” but not both together. It doesn’t bode well for a high-quality course.
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Bohica Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm
@Pass the Sick Bag,
her old videos were much more hilarious. she would carry the video camera around and point it at herself and talk.
look at this gem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEOkQL1GTJA
LOLZ
oh and here’s one where she talks about the law of attraction and how it can “actually cure your headache in the comfort of your own home”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv8Ki9_Jk-w
“even though i have a migrane headache that’s a 7 [from watching your videos] i fully and completely accept myself just the way i am. ”
now that’s some good LOA stuff!
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Juice Reply:
November 30th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
@Bohica, That has to be a guy in drag, right?
We need to poke her with an ugly stick!
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Steve Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
@Pass the Sick Bag, She certainly seems to get Twitter. Her last 7 messages are nothing but spam + link. Surely what her tons of “follow-back” followers were hoping to see in their tweetstream.
She may have to release a product on how to fall asleep in a tanning bed since it looks like she has mastered that. No needing to pretend to be an expert on something for once!
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She's a ho Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
@Steve,
She’s a Ho. No joke. She has a reputation in Vancouver.
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WTF Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
@She’s a ho,
That’s even more fucked up.
Like, Jesus Christ, have all men turned
into pussies… and become so DESPERATE that
they would fuck that trash bag?
She’s so repulsively ugly it makes me sick.
(both physically and mentally)
Again, WTF!
Hell, I am almost willing to bet some sorry ass’s
will buy this shit just cause they have a crush on her.
(puke)
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# 23 November 2010 at 12:54 pm

Meester Sneeky said:
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You’re just jealous because James Ray has more kills.
How many kills do YOU have, Salty?
… that’s what I thought.
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Mr Gray Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
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@Meester Sneeky, Is this an attempt at humour?
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Meester Sneeky Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:09 pm
@Mr Gray,
Yes it was an attempt at humor, and I don’t think other readers identified it as such.
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Eric Graudins Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:31 pm
@Meester Sneeky,
Well colour me humourless then, because I don’t find anything funny about people dying in a steam filled tent after believing the emotionally laden sales pitches, and then following the instructions of this criminal.
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Meester Sneeky Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:09 pm
@Eric Graudins,
Your wish has been granted. You have been coloured humorless.
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Anonymouse Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 12:38 am
@Meester Sneeky, well I laughed :) Righteousness should not mean a sense of humor removal, no matter how black the humor… oh no, now I am a racist as well as laughing at inappropriate jokes
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SD Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
@Meester Sneeky ::
I thought it was funny too. Especially if you’re a gamer {which I totally am} … and you’ve heard an endless amount twerps bragging about their “kills” even when their K/D ratio is negative … fucking n00bs!
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# 23 November 2010 at 1:24 pm

Bob Smith said:
“Life-saver” ?? What would this smarmy cocksucker know about that ?!
He’s a life-TAKER…
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# 23 November 2010 at 2:58 pm

what?? said:
Wow. Just when I was kicking myself for missing the opportunity to be mentored by James Arthur Ray, I see this post. I can’t believe I still have the chance to learn the secrets to having an awesomely awesome life just like Ray and his students have! (The ones who are still alive, I mean).
But since his trial starts in less than 2 months, I’m curious….do I start the 6 (or 12) month program now and then finish it in a couple of decades when he gets out of prison? (Cuz I might be busy then). Or will the warden let him complete his mentoring obligations from his prison cell?
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# 23 November 2010 at 3:25 pm

Phantom17 said:
Funny shit, I just fake registered to that fake page… the password was autogenerated:
SMOTHER5827
Smother? lmfao. How ironic.
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Meester Sneeky Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:30 pm
@Phantom17,
Oh shit. That’s bad.
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# 23 November 2010 at 4:03 pm

Ted said:
My auto generated password was FLAKES
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# 23 November 2010 at 4:18 pm

Yakaru said:
I guess Ray expects his trial to drag on a bit. That’s probably a safe bet, given the massive amounts of evidence against him that’s been piled up.
I was going to write that that is the stupidest and most offensive piece of writing from a new age guru that I’ve ever seen, but then I remembered that email on the night of sweat lodge where he declared the event a “success” despite some participants “having taken ill”.
“Do you think it’s possible to maintain true Harmonic Wealth® in the darkest and most difficult time you’ve ever faced? I can assure you that it is”
Just hit yourself in head with a lump of wood please James.
“I realize that, just like me, many are going through very tough times in our world right now; and if you’re in a challenging situation like I am…”
This is aimed at other crims, right?
“What I have to offer you is by far the most valuable program I’ve ever developed”
I find that very easy to believe, but didn’t you say that about all the other courses too?
“And it provides more direct access to me than I’ve ever allowed in the past.”
That says a lot about you James. Also says a lot about how much the perceived value of having direct access to you has plummetted.
“As we discussed earlier, we’ve all had a very difficult year…”
Yeah, we all have, haven’t we all – the economic crisis, the weather, some of us might’ve gotten ourselves charged with three counts of manslaughter, and so on…
“… and understanding these principles has been a life-saver during the most difficult times I’ve ever faced”
A life-saver, yes. That’s a good image to use. I sometimes wonder if Ray is doing that kind of shit deliberately. I guess he must be.
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Jack Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 2:16 am
@Yakaru, Maybe he thinks trial will only last 6 months because i saw he said in the salesletter:
“All the personal time and attention for six months…”
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# 23 November 2010 at 4:20 pm

JeffSucksBalls said:
What I wonder is if this murderer has a conscience…
Obviously he doesn’t.
So he kills 4 people and instead of trying to do something good or make up for it he thinks to himself;
“hmmm, I know what I’ll do, I’ll scam some gullible people out of their hard earned money. That way at least I can be a murderer with money. Hell I’m already a murderer, what’s wrong with a little scamming? And just to make sure that I fuck them good and proper I’ll write a disclaimer so the idiots can’t get their money back.”
He’s probably deluded himself into believing that it wasn’t his fault that those people died.
Most people after killing 4 innocent people would be so ashamed that they would never want to show their face to the world ever again. It takes a very cold hearted monster to kill 4 people and then to carry on scamming WHILE IN PRISON!
“Every action has an opposite and equal reaction” so what goes around comes around and I wouldn’t want to be JAR when karma comes back round to him!
I’m thinking maybe gang rape in the showers for the next 10 years maybe?
Pass the soap James..
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# 23 November 2010 at 6:51 pm

wondering why said:
Yes Yakaru, I couldn’t believe this sentence either..
“And it provides more direct access to me than I’ve ever allowed in the past”
What a Narcissist he is! I read Connie Joy’s book and she and her husband, who were WWS members that had paid $60,000+ a year couldn’t even get him on the phone when they really needed to. He kept dodging their phone calls for months on end!
WINNER!! ::   +11
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# 23 November 2010 at 7:30 pm

Soslow said:
What a tool that James Ray is, he just doesnt get it does he?
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# 23 November 2010 at 8:10 pm

Bryan Neuman said:
Holy danger to society… keep up the amazingly ridiculous work James!
WINNER!! ::   +14
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# 23 November 2010 at 8:53 pm

Amelie Poostain said:
I went trick or treating in Rays neighborhood this past Halloween. Everyone gave me great candy!
But, when I got to Mr. Rays, he opened the door in an orange jumpsuit and dumped in my little orange plastic pumpkin… Wait, let me count…
3 vicodin
2 morphine
7 viagra
6 horse steroids
3 STD medications
4 birth control
My parents would like to know the secret…
WINNER!! ::   +13
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# 23 November 2010 at 9:15 pm

SoMe said:
JAR simply has a different world view ladies and gentlemen.
To James being locked in matter is a fallen state and he awaits Shiva the destroyer god seen over his right shoulder in the video to assist him in his transformation to godhood. His students only ascended in the lodge to perfection and decided not to come back, according to one of his minions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332046/Indian-Americans-upset-Newsweeks-depiction-Obama-Hindu-god.html
(Our education system stinks to high heaven.)
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Stoic Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
@SoMe,
Are you sure he’s still waiting for assistance? The impression I get is that he believes himself already elevated to godhood, an ascended master if not yet quite lord of all.
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# 23 November 2010 at 10:52 pm

Jack said:
mr. D-Ray has made it a very good challenge to contact support if you don’t want to be killed by him:
http://jamesray.kajabi.com/thank_you_pages/2304
I think extra spaces after a “mailto: ” is maybe a good way to manage all the customer complains:
If you have any questions, please contact support.
See “mailto: support@jamesray.com“
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# 24 November 2010 at 1:16 am

Irwin said:
“I promise you’ve never experienced learning and transformation in the all new way I’m about to share with you!”
Now that’s just gross.
WINNER!! ::   +10
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# 24 November 2010 at 2:29 am

Mathias said:
New age gurus are frontmen for things that are not nice.
To support these people is to behave as a creepy little minion.
it’s a tragedy when you too late realize you worshipped evil people.
It’s going to hurt a lot.
It’s really hard to get a good picture of these New age gurus when you deliberately filter out the creepy stuff, even if it’s overtly present.
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# 24 November 2010 at 6:08 am

Anderson Jennings said:
I’m happy that you’ve decided to use my coined James Death Ray monicker for this cvnt! :)
You know what’s creepy, is the feigned smile and chuckle that he conjured up near the end when he makes reference to his stupid air plane metaphor. You can see the build up to this FAKE smile and chuckle a mile away. Despite being adept at conning, it’s always an effort for the body and mind to feign sincerity. Some of these con-men become very good at doing it fast and quickly, which is why most of them speak fast and use very few changing expressions when they talk.
You can see that it took a considerable amount of energy for James DEATH Ray to conjure up that smile and chuckle. Deep inside he knows he’s conning yet again. But that’s what these spawn of shit do, they can’t help themselves. They con and con and con again, even after being resposible for the death of victims he knowingly conned, there is little remorse on this guys face.
He knows his time is coming, where he’ll face the music front and center, but he isn’t ready to admit he’s a lying scum bag cheating fuck tard asswipe, so he does what he knows, like a snake does what they know, or any other animal does what they know and continues to CON.
Well, here’s a resource for you all dispostable.com
You can create any username you want to get on the mailing lists of these asswipes, see what they’re truly offering without having to worry about logging in a few days time to opt-out or cancel said subscription to their fraudoresponders.
The inside of BumJabi is cr@p…I knew it from the beginning
Optimize Press trumps BumJabi and you only have to pay $99.00 ONE time. Get an AmazonS3 account and keep your content on the level, or you’ll find yourself on this site :)
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Jean D Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
@Anderson Jennings, “…so he does what he knows, like a snake does what they know, or any other animal does what they know and continues to CON.”
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Jean D Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
This 1968 tune came to mind several months ago when I was watching “James Arthur Ray’s Live Events –Public Long Version” from YouTube. I tried to post them together just now, but don’t have the technological know-how.
Toward the end of that video, Ray’s on stage with a creepy feigned smile that perfectly fits the line,”Oh shut up, pretty woman,said that reptile with a grin! You knew darn well I was a snake before you took me in!”
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# 24 November 2010 at 6:53 am

Anderson Jennings said:
lol he NeLP’d us in that one…I sort of like him now…I mean how can you not when he embeds the command “You…Like me…have been through some tough spots….blah blah blah.”
It’s like he just knows YOU, isn’t it? You get that feeling deep inside that this guy is just like you, like me, you know, like us all…universal and all warm and fuzzy, sugar, spice, everything nice.
Yuck, I think I vomited in my mouth just a little bit looking at his face…what a prick! I’d love for some vigilante justice to land on his face
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# 24 November 2010 at 7:02 am

Mathias said:
“but through this difficult time I’ve developed an even broader understanding of how to help you through the greatest of life-challenges.”
He doesn’t know you, hasn’t even seen you yet.
He developed an imaginary understanding of how his audience might react to try and find the best way to hook them in.
“an even broader understanding”
Here he’s Embedding the idea that he knows you a lot already and that he spends a lot of time in private, thinking about how to help you and all those who suffer.
It’s so overt, you really have to try hard not to detect his insincere bullshit. People who fall for this are in a very emotional trance where they just play along, their frame is suitable to exploitation. James Ray knows this.
he’s created The salesletter too make it look as if he’s sharing his thoughts and compassions with the reader. A true psycopath who doesn’t give a fuck about the consequences of his actions.
He’s a storyteller, creating and reshaping his life with different themes and ideas.
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# 24 November 2010 at 10:16 am

YourWorstInvestigativePieceEver said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Guys,
Although you love to hate guys like James Arthur Ray and Andy Jenkins, it doesn’t take more than 5 seconds of looking at his Kajabi generated page to know that Andy or his team had nothing to do with JAR’s site being built.
Other than the fact that it was built on Kajabi.
The video quality sucks, there is no copy, and it’s a Kajabi generated button that JAR chose himself.
There is no hint of Andy’s influence in this sales process.
The page just flat out sucks.
Epic FAIL on Salty’s part for trying to say syndicate had anything to do with this sorry excuse for a site.
Now go ahead and hit the thumbs down because I disagreed with your leader.
LOSER!! ::   -5
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SD Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
@YourWorstInvestigativePieceEver ::
James Arthur Ray uses Kajabi :: and you can too!
To our success,
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SD Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
@YourWorstInvestigativePieceEver ::
Has a quadruple homicide interrupted you Internet suckcesseyness? Maybe Kajabi’s deprecated HTML can help!
Kajabi :: because it’s good enough for murderers.
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Jack Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
@SD, Maybe these people will be delivering their “outreach” messages soon now – because we can now know that Kajabi is free to the marketplace so OK for anyone to use:
# Charles Albright: AKA “The Eyeball Killer”; convicted of murdering three prostitutes in Dallas, Texas; sentenced to life imprisonment in 1991
# Rodney James Alcala: AKA “the Dating Game Killer”; convicted rapist and serial killer
# Juan Corona: California killer convicted of murdering 25 men in 1971
# Charles Cullen: nurse in New Jersey and Pennsylvania who killed as many as 40 patients through lethal injection
# Randy Steven Kraft: convicted of the murders of 16 young men and boys; suspected of 51 others in California
# Gary Ridgway: AKA the “Green River Killer”; convicted of murdering 48 women in Washington state
# Randall Woodfield: AKA “The I-5 Killer” and “The I-5 Bandit”; convicted of four murders; believed responsible for 14 others
# Robert Lee Yates: murdered at least 13 women in Spokane County, Washington
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SD Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
@YourWorstInvestigativePieceEver ::
Andy Jenkins and and James Arthur Ray :: two pigs in a blanket …
… dip them in Vermont maple syrup and bite their empty fucking heads off.
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SD Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
@YourWorstInvestigativePieceEver ::
Pay for 6 months of Kajabi :: get a free thumb ring.
Act now … while infinite supplies last!
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SD Reply:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
@YourWorstInvestigativePieceEver ::
Oh and Andy …
If it’s just a funny coincidence that Death Ray is using Kajabi :: because he found your marketing irresistible or some such shit {you are willing to show your nipples after all} :: and now that you’ve seen the ridiculously abusive way he’s using your “system” … you’ve decided that you want to do something about it … then please by all means remove him for a TOS violation … and let me know {I believe you know how to reach me 007}. That is a story I will gladly tell.
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Toxic Moxie Reply:
December 8th, 2010 at 12:22 am
@YourWorstInvestigativePieceEver, …You want a reply? How about just shut the fuck up & get off my screen, JackOff.
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# 24 November 2010 at 2:18 pm

Steve said:
If he premeditatedly killed some people to solve some problems of his, his message would actually make more sense. He could even have OJ as a special guest at his Mentoring Event. Then they could add to the disclaimers “We are not to be held responsible for you solving your problems.” and could have it front page as a marketing tactic full of win.
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# 24 November 2010 at 4:17 pm

brad said:
ohh my god-
brad
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Amelie Poostain Reply:
November 25th, 2010 at 3:01 am
@brad,
AHAHAHHAAH
OHHH MY SIDE HURTS
AHAHAHAHA
If they ever put out a history of advertising encyclopedia, the section about Celebrity Advertising will have a subsection called “Finding Big Celebrities That Will Work For Peanuts”.
And Hulk Hogan will be pictured.
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422 Reply:
November 25th, 2010 at 9:18 am
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Duff Reply:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN THE HULKSTER COMES A LOOKIN’ FOR YOU!
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# 25 November 2010 at 12:25 am

Mark said:
Wow, it’s not just that you pay for the program and that fulfills all other obligations from previous programs, it’s that you give him YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS!!
“Hey, I owe you $5k for not delivering my latest frauduct to you… now give me your email address and we’ll call it quits!”
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# 25 November 2010 at 3:59 am

Mathias said:
People think that listening to gurus is better than listening to relatives and local “strangers”.
What a no-no
It’s hard to approach and create a space in which you share and stimulate ideas with people on the streets and in your community, (A context) they might be busy, they might think you are weird. So you lock yourself out from the chance to create relationships and create cool things with the people who pass you by every single day.
Im beginning to question the conventional ideas of identity crisis, depression lack of lack of self-confidence and image and lifestyle as the most important stuff individuals should focus on.
Politicians, gurus, and phsycologists aren’t gonna give you ideas about how you create environments based on mututal cooperation between strangers, that allows us to learn and share skills, create and work on common purpose, outside the hum drum seriousness of politics and status and ideologies.
To create new spaces, and not get caught up in finished design. Facebook does something and something it doesn’t,
just like most stuff, I like facebook but most of what i do on it, is still just stuff.
I mean(You dont have to mean the same things btw) new spaces that really brings people together and infuse them with ideas and great achivements. I think, Imagination, immortal symbols or monuments(the great pyramids) empathy and applied knowlege is key here.
This is not a final thought, it’s not ideology but a curiosity for “updating” environments, without getting too caught up in the words “updating” and “environment”.
And also very importanly not getting caught up in the present associations of the word “common purpose”, should inflated words such as teamwork ever pop up, just delete it. The same with “mass rebellion” and “communism.”
It’s more like space, space, ideas, actions and a sense of wonder, like within this space something big is going on and you feel it And see it. Oh and it’s not a concert. It may be nothing, imagination and nothingness.
And yes it’s totally real, because it involves people and testing and trying new things. (Although it’s not real “yet”, actually just erase what the word “yet” pressupose.)
Its not something totalitarian ideologial bullshit that cloack the world, its more practical, like yo can go there and you can go somewhere else, and you can go back to the hum drum of everyday environments.
Is it the internet?
Maybe it it is, maybe it’s not, maybe it’s the internet + something else. Don’t tell me, think it out yourself.
Think practical-critical-imagination,application,
Not pop new-age cosmic universe mantra-thoughts.
If you wanna “know about” the comsic and the universe
Don’t go to Joe Vitale, go to Stephen Hawkins. I think he’s better, or maybe there are some old books with good ideas and theories about stuff- thats- not- on- earth that not related to selfish make-believe money- manifestation.
Don’t let James and the New-age retards lock you up in a compulsive narcicistic thougt system that makes you think you know something.
They are like a little creed of hucksters and douchebag-agents making money with their continious shit-flood of counterintelligence.
We are creeping ourself out, new ideas, creeps you out, creeps me out.
It’s damn hard to influence anyone anymore, because one kind of incluence is associated with all the insincere mass media bullshit that came before it.
No i don’t hate mass media and Im not some anti-advertising preacher, and if I was, you wouldn’t know, because I wouldn’t let you know it with a single critical remark of advertising. I would try to go to “depth” and not use surface cool-talk to prove my point
Anyway, use this post for good or don’t, you can also trash it for good if you like, I hope(techno hope)that I’m not bothering you and you are not bothered by me.
So to recap:
1. My main point or vague idea was something about new environments, new interactions between people in a space where there would be a turning down of the “im busy, what you have to say” mentality.
New words, new language, billions of testing of different social interactions, learning fostering learning fostering learning really really fast, and much more stuff that would seem very very “weird” in normal interactions, but without rendering old interactions obsolete, like there’s already the base of everday life and everday environments, and they would still be dominant and only stupid idiots would be outraged and fear that there would be chaos and threat to the “social order of things”
1. My second point was to really really despise the “new age movement”, and I really want to stress the importance of not submitting attach oneself too much to the idea of new age. I mean, is it really a new age? If so, where it is? Does it fall down from the sky?
Have a dose of skepticism towards someone who talks about a new age, while simultaneously presenting himself as an authority who has already stepped into it, and you just need to follow him, because his fucking amazing mind has created an easy road for everyone to follow, an easy road, a road you “have to” take, a “neccesity”.
“Neccesisty”(as in “this is a neccesity”) is not the same thing as neccesity.
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# 25 November 2010 at 5:40 am

anonone said:
Speaking of killers, read this, Salty:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/12/let_oprah_know_that_kim_tinkham_is_dying.php
Robert O. Young is the quack that Tony Robbins has been pushing. He did a Nightingale Conant set of recordings called “Living Health” promoting this criminal (yes, he has a record) a few years ago.
It should have been called “Dying Sick.”
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# 7 December 2010 at 11:25 pm

Hippo said:
Hi, this is a little off-topic, but I wanted to make a comment about the book “Tragedy In Sedona,” written by one of Death Ray’s former followers.
I was prepared to be shocked by nothing in the book in light of what we know now. However, I was FLOORED at the way JAR lied to his tour participants. I know that these lies pale in comparison to the deaths of four people, but I still want to mention this.
JAR took a group to Peru in August of 2009, right after Colleen Conaway’s death and before the Sweat Lodge. It took him months to arrange permission from the government to conduct a night-time ceremony at Macchu Picchu. Also, JAR’s own teacher lived in nearby Cusco, and the tour participants were going to get to meet this guy who had had such a great influence on JAR’s life.
Well, when they got to Peru, the permission to conduct the ceremony was revoked. The tour participants were disappointed, but there were plenty of other activities to make the trip worthwhile. They did get to meet JAR’s teacher, although Ray acted funny around this guy and didn’t want anyone talking to him.
Much later, the author of the book discovered that: (1) the Peruvian government NEVER gives permission for night-time ceremonies at Macchu Picchu, and Ray knew this in advance. Yet he led his followers on by giving them updates on how the red-tape issues were progressing in the months leading up to the trip, although he was fabricating everything. (2) the teacher that JAR spoke so highly of is a humble TOUR GUIDE. That’s right, the fellow is a tour guide and had no idea that Ray was telling people that he was some sort of shaman or guru. That’s why Ray didn’t want anybody speaking to the man while they were visiting Peru.
I know that these lies are small potatoes, but I am amazed at the nerve this man had/has.
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Jean D Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 7:48 am
Btw,I ran across the flkr pictures last year while first researching the Sedona tragedy and to me, most of them reveal the true sham/scam he is. But what’s sad is knowing those Peru 09 pictures were taken just days after Ray caused the death of Colleen Conaway.
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Hippo Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 10:37 am
@Jean D,
Thank you for your comments.
I knew nothing about the Peru trip until I read Connie Joy’s book. She also mentions that Ray had shown certain pictures of Peruvian locations to someone (forgot who), asking what the names were.
Apparently he had only been to Peru ONCE and had not studied there, as he claimed. He assembled a sort of “cliff notes” version in order to give the impression that he knew the country very well.
I know I shouldn’t be shocked at anything, but this does amaze me. How can a person sleep at night, carrying on that level of subterfuge???
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wondering why Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 11:31 am
@Hippo,
uhmmm..a Sociopath…
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Hippo Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 11:36 am
@wondering why,
Well, yes, you’re right, but I still have trouble processing this kind of deception.
I’m trying to figure out, what would it feel like to live inside the head of somebody who acted like this? And it’s pretty unpleasant. The term “self-loathing” comes to mind.
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Jean D Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
@Hippo, @wondering why We can’t understand that crazy brain,no matter how hard we try.Thank God,we can’t.We’re not like him and don’t want to be.
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Jean D Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 11:51 am
@Hippo, I don’t know what happened to that post. I see the first part and the end, but the middle is missing. I had links to some flikr pictures. Let’s try that again.

Now check out this pic. Read the caption. I had also heard him describe his “Brazilian” teacher on a recorded radio interview.

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Jean D Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 11:56 am
@Jean D, Well, the caption didn’t post and the pictures posted intstead of the links. Help,SD! The top pic is from the Peru August 09 set. The caption under the bottom reads, “James and his shaman in the Amazonian rain forest.”
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Hippo Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
@Jean D,
OMG! Thank you for posting that. Connie Joy felt obliged to change the man’s name in her book to protect his privacy. The guy is a TOUR GUIDE, for heaven’s sake! I wonder how he feels to learn that James Ray used him to help bilk the WWS participants?
I guess what gets me is that this is all so unnecessary. JAR must have felt that he had to lie about the night-time ceremony on Macchu Picchu and the tour-guide/shaman situation in order to get more money out of people.
I would have thought that he could have gotten just as many sign-ups by telling the truth.
So do you know who his “Brazilian” teacher is? Is it the same guy, or somebody else?
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Jean D Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
You can see a lot in the pictures. Ray’s body language and the one where he’s blowing on a feather,etc. Go to flikr.com and search jamesrayinternational for all his sets.
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SD Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
@Jean D ::
Flickr auto-embeds now … here’s the links
http://bit.ly/i3gUxm
http://bit.ly/ed40om
http://bit.ly/dQmlwR

Jean D Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
@Hippo The pictures are of two different men,the top one labeled Peru last year,the bottom one supposedly in Brazil many years ago.(and those are coca leaves in the boy’s hands) Here’s a third man whose name and picture is posted on this page as Ray’s teacher http://www.ibis.org
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Hippo Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
@Jean D,
Yes, I understand that the pictures are of two different men and that the man in the top picture is Javier Ruis (a pseudonym).
I was just wondering idly about the real story behind any other “teacher” JAR might have had, since this tour guide guy has never pretended to be anything other than a tour guide.
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Hippo Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
@Jean D,
Oh, for fuck’s sake.
I know he can’t be put in jail for this kind of deception, but he ought to. This is ridiculous.
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penelope Reply:
December 28th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
@Jean D,
Is it just me or does James look scary/psychotic in the second pic. And these photos are undoctored. Compare his expression to the man and child with him. His eyes…yikes! Salty didn’t have to do much photoshopping on any of his pics, creepy is his natural look.
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Hippo Reply:
December 29th, 2010 at 1:57 am
@penelope,
Agreed–but you gotta admit that the zombie thing is a hoot. Besides, we wouldn’t want to discourage Mr. Salty from using his creative genius.
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Jean D Reply:
December 29th, 2010 at 5:03 am
@penelope, To me he looks crazed in every picture or video I’ve ever seen of him. A friend looked at his videos last year and said he looked like a coke head to her. He might even be high in this pic as his S. American trips seem to have been primarily drug based for ayahuasca and cocaine.
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Stoic Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
@Hippo,
I think he gets his jollies by knowingly deceiving his customers, like the rest of the scumbags dissected here.
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Hippo Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
@Stoic,
I suspect you’re right. I myself would be so overcome with shame that I wouldn’t be able to function.
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# 18 December 2010 at 5:39 pm

Yakaru said:
@ Hippo
No doubt you’ve seen this-
http://tommcfeeley.com/content/Plentywolf-Lee-transcript-1020091.pdf
The prosecutors were checking up suggestions that Ray had been trying to find a Lakota to vouch for him. (Didn’t find one – big surprise!)
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Hippo Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 9:59 am
@Yakaru,
Actually I HADN’T seen it, although I had heard about it.
Absolutely gross. Ray was able to get away with a fair amount of deception in Peru because of the distance and the language barrier.
A little more difficult on the home turf, although I think he could have pulled that off too if there hadn’t been a criminal investigation.
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Hippo Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 10:00 am
@Yakaru,
Actually I HADN’T seen it, although I had heard about it.
Absolutely gross. Ray was able to get away with a fair amount of deception in Peru because of the distance and the language barrier.
A little more difficult on the home turf, although I think he could have pulled that off too if there hadn’t been a criminal investigation.
This guy is a fucking psycho.
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Yakaru Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 11:20 am
@Hippo,
Yeh…..
Actually I would say that in terms of brazen lying, Ray is fairly normal by the standards of his profession. His sadism and recklessness are what made him stand out from the crowd.
Strange that despite so many lies and deceptions, he couldn’t even be bothered to fake a bit of sympathy or remorse.
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wondering why Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 11:54 am
@Yakaru,
If you look at the reactions of most Narcissist/Sociopathic killers,that is usually the problem and why they get caught.They don’t have the normal emotions and don’t even know how to fake them, like for instance Scott Peterson who killed his pregnant wife.
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Jean D Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
@wondering why, Yes,Scott Peterson is one of my favorite examples of a “sociopath among us”. He was so devoid of remorse and so smug, he actually granted Diane Sawyer an interview and lied all the way through it!
@Hippo When normal people lie during childhood, it causes us so much anxiety,we avoid it. People like Ray create a web of lies around themselves,starting at an early age,then,at some point, they can no longer discern truth from reality.
Based on Dr.Michael Stone’s “22 Categories of Evil”, I would place Ray as a 12 or 14, but maybe he was a 19 because I agree with @Yakaru, that Ray’s a sadist who tormented his followers for years,until he “crossed the line” with Colleen.
http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/most-evil/ep-guide/most-evil-ep-guide.html
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wondering why Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
@Jean D,
Yes..Even those pictures that you discovered where Ray made his people in Peru go blindfolded at the top of Machu Pichu..What a wack job!! How scary that must have been.When I read about that part in Connie Joy’s book I thought “wow that is crazy, he actually made wear them blindfolds on the top of that mountain”, but to see those pictures of those poor people blinding trusting Ray with those blindfolds on spoke volumes..
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
@Yakaru, You wrote, “Strange that despite so many lies and deceptions, he couldn’t even be bothered to fake a bit of sympathy or remorse.”
He did seem to be faking some sympathy in the beginning, but to fake remorse would be to imply guilt, and I am sure that his legal team advised strongly against THAT.
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Hippo Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
I wanted to thank you again for the recommendation of Connie Joy’s book. It drove me a little crazy, due to the typographical errors and mis-uses of words (exasperate as opposed to exacerbate, could of instead of could have, etc.), plus her obvious devotion to woo-woo principles.
However, it was still a worthwhile read, and an eye-opener. I wasn’t shocked about the sweat lodge, because I already knew about that, but all the unnecessary lying amazed me.
It’s also possible that she isn’t as woo-woo as she comes across; her book is from a New Age publisher, and they may want a certain amount of that stuff in there.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
@Hippo, You’re welcome. I too was frequently distracted by typos, inconsistencies, and misused words (that “exasperate/exacerbate” confusion really stuck out for me). I even had included a rather detailed summary of those blunders in the original draft of my inordinately long blog post about the book, but I deleted most of it because I thought the post was already more than long enough.
I did get the distinct impression that the book itself was somewhat of a rush job, intended to be out in time for the trial, which was originally scheduled to begin August 31 of this year.
And yes, the publisher (who is apparently not a exactly a publisher in the traditional sense, but offers more of a collaborative business model) does seem to be focused on woo-woo material. As I recall, Ms. Joy explains in the book that the publisher told her she would only publish Tragedy in Sedona on the condition that it was *not* a muckraking book attempting to scare readers away from spiritual self-help. Those were not the exact words but that is the essence.
I get the idea that New-Agey beliefs/practices are more of a force of habit for Ms. Joy than anything else, since she’s been into it for so many years in various forms. Maybe all of this has really shaken her up even more than she let on in the book. In any case I think she performed a valuable service by writing the book, flawed as it is, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see sales of Tragedy in Sedona really pick up as February 16 approaches. (Disclaimer: I’m not an affiliate, though maybe I should be!)
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Hippo Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
To Connie:
I must say that I was shocked that Ms. Joy is/was such a big fan of Sylvia Browne and “The Secret.” I had to really force myself to continue reading, because I was getting seriously turned off.
But she really is the perfect person to write this book; somebody who spent so much time with JAR and who still feels she benefited from his work–unless, of course, she’s acting more positive than she feels for the benefit of the publisher.
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Jean D Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
@Yakaru, Thanks for clarifying that. I knew there were no Native American “teachers” either,but wondered if some poser were going to testify on Ray’s behalf. I thought I saw a Cherokee man listed on one of the witness lists.
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Yakaru Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
@Jean D,
Thanks for highlighting all that weird stuff with his South American non-teachers. Looking at all those photos in Ray’s Flickr account, showing him prancing about in the forest like a pumped up action figure, just confirms his lack of understanding of shamanism, to say nothing of nature. I doubt he’s ever spent much time (if any) alone in the wilderness at all.
I said earlier that I wasn’t surprised by the extent of his lying about that. I wasn’t trying to be know-all, rather I was thinking of a woman called Marlo Morgan who became world famous as the self proclaimed guardian of Australian Aboriginal culture. She told a story about meeting an ancient tribe and learning their entire culture in a few months wandering through the desert with them. In fact she was working in a pharmacy in Brisbane the whole time. The only Aborigines she ever met were the one telling her to shut up. (She’s also a product of Oprah.) Her book sold tens of millions of copies in a couple of dozen languages. Compared to her, Death Ray’s lies are pretty lame.
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# 20 December 2010 at 3:44 am

wondering why said:
Court doc regarding the motion by the State to procure the JRI “Sweat Lodge” event audio recording of James telling evryone that all the symptoms they would be experiencing i.e. nausea, altered state and passing out were “normal”.
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docsYAV/Cases/State%20of%20Arizona%20vs%20James%20Arthur%20Ray/12-17-2010%20REPLY%20TO%20RESPONSE.pdf
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Yakaru Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
@wondering why,
That really shows what a bind Ray’s legal team are in. Coz they were claiming he had been quoted out of context and had given adequate warnings. If that were true, the proof would be on that tape. By refusing to submit it, they are putting themselves in a position where they can’t credibly challenge any accounts of the witnesses. The prosecution can just say “play the tapes then.” It must become clear to everyone that what is on the tapes is more damaging than anything a witness can say.
I also notice the prosecution has called Michele Goulet’s ex-boyfriend as a witness. From what I recall, he had an unpleasant experience at the 2008 sweat lodge. Can’t quite remember what, but I seem to recall it involved some serious freaking out and a rift with his totally amoral girlfriend.
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# 20 December 2010 at 5:38 pm

Yakaru said:
For a man with no sense of irony, I wonder how Death Ray will react when he sees the prosecution’s most compelling argument that the tape isn’t private (and therefore protected).
Prosecutors have simply quoted Ray’s totally ludicrous and over the top waiver. Participants agree to
“…grant JRI and its affiliated companies…the unrestricted right to fix Participant’s image, participation and/or performance, as it appears in the event, in whole or in part, by any means or method; and to use Participant’s name, voice, image and/or likeness as it appears in the event, by any means, in any form, content or medium… and in order to advertise, promote or market JRI and its events.”
Sorry guys, that doesn’t sound “quintessentially private” to me.
Well done James. Your ruthless intent to exploit people in every possible way has finally come back and bit you in the butt.
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Stoic Reply:
December 21st, 2010 at 5:50 am
@Yakaru,
Yes, well done James, nothing so satisfactory as watching the biter get bit, preferably with his own false gnashers.
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Jean D Reply:
December 21st, 2010 at 10:24 am
@Stoic, @wondering why Like a dog chasing its own tail. Run,Jimmy,Run!
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# 21 December 2010 at 4:52 am

Nona Mills said:
@Yakaru, Yes, well done James, nothing so satisfactory as watching the biter get bit, preferably with his own false gnashers.
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# 22 December 2010 at 1:10 pm

Jean D said:
On Twitter today someone “RTd” ShawnaLBowen. Notice her Twitter name is written like JamesARay. Coincidence? Maybe. Remember when we discussed her after she appeared on Dateline? She’s the woman who arrived late to the sweat debacle and described how she took care of Kristina Bivins for 2 hours while Bivins had seizures. Bowen was interviewed by the YCSO,yet does not appear on the trial witness list. And now,according to her tweets, she’s writing a book “about the self-help industry since the James Ray thing”. She seems to be very involved in the self-help stuff. On one of those tweet links she posted a pic posing with James Malinchak. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=306799&id=336177350751&l=303f040846846
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Yakaru Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 7:46 am
@Jean D,
In fairness to Ms Bowen, she does openly acknowledge that she was a fan, and in the interviews she gave after the sweat lodge she sounded genuinely horrified by Ray’s behaviour. Interesting though that she’s not called as a witness – though maybe one should also note that the defense also hasn’t called her either.
Her book seems to be about accountability in the self help movement, rather than about fraud, lies and willful ignorance, but you can’t have everything I suppose. Connie Joy’s “Tragedy in Sedona” book did a good job of exposing Ray, but she was still happily endorsing Sylvia Browne. She also claimed in an interview that God Himself prevented her from going to the sweat lodge, despite the fact that she had seen the danger clearly and even warned others about it. I guess it takes a while for people to work through the narcissism that the New Age is designed to provoke and exploit.
I give Shawna Bowens a provisional pass on that too, as long as she’s prepared to publically throw JAR under the bus he built for himself.
Posting a social proof pic with Dr Teeth is a bit worrying though, for aesthetic as well as ethical reasons.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 11:03 am
@Yakaru, @Jean D: Until I see further evidence to make me change my mind, I’m going to give Shawna a provisional pass too. She strikes me as still being very much into the faux-Native stuff, among other things, but I’m always interested in reading people’s experiences with self-help/New-Wage/McSpirituality, even if — or especially if — their opinion of the industry doesn’t match mine. I think it is good for me to occasionally be reminded that people and issues are complex, and different people might have similar experiences and yet come to different conclusions about them.
In any case, I’ll be very interested in reading Shawna’s book. It is smart of her to be releasing it as we’re on the countdown to the beginning of James Ray’s manslaughter trial. I just got a notice that Shawna is now following me on Twitter, so she’s obviously making the social media rounds in hopes of getting publicity for her book.
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Jean D Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@Cosmic Connie, As you can see I didn’t say anything derogatory about her. In fact, I’m sincerely intrigued by her drive and apparent many talents. She is,in fact, a radiant person,and a musician/singer. That said, I am curious to read what she says about SweatTrapper Jim. And as both you and @Yakaru have mentioned, there is certainly complexity in all of our “beliefs”. In fact, I have old friends who occasionally make New Wagey statements that raise the hair on the back of my neck, yet they remain my friends. I don’t always throw the hippie out with the patchouli!
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Yakaru Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
@Jean D,
“I don’t always throw the hippie out with the patchouli!” LOL & good advice!
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# 19 January 2011 at 1:09 am

Just checking said:
“For 26 straight weeks (that’s a full six months) you’ll receive a never before released lesson and an important assignment–directly from me–to complete each and every week.”
Hmmm…before I sign up I really want to know if “streaming video” can be done in a jail cell. I mean, if he goes to jail, will I still get my 26 weeks of instruction??
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# 20 February 2011 at 3:40 pm

Andy said:
I can’t believe how they think everone else is a sheep and the sheep need to pay the boss $2500. it’s sick!
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# 24 February 2011 at 5:43 am

SD (author) said:
Account canceled :: funny since the 6 months isn’t up ….
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