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Frank said:
Ryan Deiss is just re-selling the same info that’s been available for FREE on public forums for YEARS. Nothing new about it!
Paying TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS for OLD NEWS that can easily be found for free is INSANE.
Plus, like SD says…Ryan does NOT seem to be doing so well using those same “methods” himself. His site stats are NOT impressive at ALL.
What’s his next “product” going to be? A $2,000 course on how to put your shoes on?
Unbelievable.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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David Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Incredible! RYAN DEISS actually got BUSTED for using outright deception. Just take a look at the video below, where he admits he doesn’t know anything about SEO, and he actually confesses that there is NO SUCH THING as free traffic. But he still took your $2,000 after telling you the opposite!
Totally damning and outrageous!
Anyone who bought this overpriced snowjob should demand a full refund IMMEDIATELY.
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Geoff Reply:
December 21st, 2010 at 6:42 am
@David, it’s not outright deception at all.
Firstly this article that the Salty Droid has written doesn’t show the full picture.
The internet marketing niche is just one market that Ryan Deiss operates in.
He’s in MULTIPLE niches, and if you actually went through the course you’d see many of his websites in many different markets that get perpetual traffic.
Of course Ryan could apply the perpetual traffic formula to internet marketing… but common… would you really focus on SEO in a market where you’re friends with people who have lists in the hundreds of thousands?
Secondly, yes. Ryan admitted did not know a whole lot about SEO a while back, but in the course he makes it clear that he’s only made SEO an important part of his strategy this year.
How did he learn so quickly?
He’s got some of the best seo guys (and girls) in the world to show him their system, and these people actually answer members questions in the Perpetual Traffic course.
If you went through the course you’d learn about MANY websites that generate a ton of free traffic using the system.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   -1
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Wrong Geoff Reply:
December 21st, 2010 at 10:29 am
@Geoff, Wrong. If you weren’t kissing Ryan’s sly little ass, you would find that this blog has already listed most if not all the cheesy “niches” that Ryan purports to be making money in. They’re nothing to him compared to his MAKE MONEY niche. Yeah, make money by telling people you know how to make money by teaching them how to make money. In other words, all circular. Let’s see Ryan make money selling people something useful that stands on its own without his hype.
Furthermore, by signing up to be on his SUCKER mailing list, you’ll see where his “big traffic” sources change from one flavor to the next very quickly, depending on what he can convince people to buy.
Nope, he’s just another one of “them.” And you’re either a koolaid drinker or one of his tools.
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Ryan Healy Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Desperation makes people do foolish things, including selling products that shouldn’t be sold. I have no idea what Deiss’s finances are like, but I bet he’s got a lease and employees to pay.
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Mike Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Pure GREED might be a better description. Ryan Deiss also has the infamous convicted felon/internet scammer Perry Belcher heavily involved in his “operation.”
Then there’s the big, long list of sleazy affiliates who hyped this garbage. Everyone should ask, just how “unbiased” can an affiliate be when there are huge commissions and big prizes being passed out like candy?
Here’s just one of Ryan Deiss’ emails to those sleazy affiliates (many of which are listed down in the comments below):
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Hey,
“I’m headed out to the exotic car dealers office
here in Austin to pick up the car for the
Perpetual Traffic Formula prize contest…
hint: it’s “supercharged”.
My team is picking up another phat prize that they
have to ride home and my assistant is at the diamond
store. It’s getting fun around here….”
“Here is a final list of winners in this weekends leads
contest that won free iPads…”
“Congratulations guys. We are now working the
88,000+ leads you guys have sent to this offer.
If you haven’t mailed the Authority Codes, you
need to mail it today if you want one of the 20
high dollar prizes I’ve put together (over $100,000 worth)
for the PTF launch. I’ll be posting them later today.
You can’t get paid if you don’t mail.”
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addMichael Reply:
April 9th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@Frank, @Milke @Wrong Geoff – “a-greed”.
Most of the stuff can be taken directly back to 1990′s where unsuccessful men and women would follow “leaders” like Dan Lapre. Most people who join the “Game”; have zero integrity; are still in the rat race; are following a leader who knows nothing more than they do; the rat race is still on. I got suckered into another useless program when my company failed me in 09′. When you get richer, someone gets poorer. as you no doubt know, $2000 is an overvalue for the course. $2000; affiliates earn $1000 “high commission”; course is probably worth less than $400; 600 for Deiss… don’t quote the figures, they’re completely theoretical. These “leaders” suck. They’ve got no credibility, no integrity; there goes an old consulting saying regarding what consultants really do for work. it fits all network marketing/mlm situations: “you give me your watch, and i’ll tell you the time; and bill you”.
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Alex Reply:
November 11th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
@Frank,ha ha that’s so true. I have always been uneasy of Ryan Deiss, because he does not really sell anything innovative. Its like you said. Its all rehashed shit.
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# 30 July 2010 at 2:17 am

_cartman_ said:
Hahaha…great picture….his facial expression captures his intelligence perfectly…
Hey Deiss….you tell George to let you tend them rabbits!
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SD Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
@_cartman_ ::
… and chickens George … and we’ll have a hutch … and a fence … and a squeeze page … and a Belcher.
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skeptic Reply:
August 16th, 2010 at 1:18 am
@_cartman_,
LOL
The guy is selling basic SEO information for $2000 US and he’s stupid?
Now, how much does a smart guy like you earn? Think about it …
P.S.
Don’t try to sell us that you don’t do it because it’s amoral. Or, that earning big bucks is not your cup of tea.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   0
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Joel Reply:
August 16th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
@skeptic, Making money in itself may not be “stupid.” But lying to, or DECEIVING people to get your hands on it certainly IS.
What part about eventually giving up all your ill-gotten gains to the government and defense attorneys makes you smart, dipshit?
You sound a lot like, “if you can get away with it, then it’s ok.” It’s not, scumbag.
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 10:13 am
@Joel, dipshit? scumbag?
Very nice, very nice indeed.
1. If you don’t like his product, ask for your money back.
2. If his product doesn’t deliver, ask for your money back.
What?
You haven’t bought it? It’s OK, don’t worry about it, just call me names and everything will be fine.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +5
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Ron Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
@skepdick, Hey, asshole: are you on some psycho defense mission on behalf of Ryan Deiss with the relentless excuses you keep posting for him? One thing’s for sure, you are here working a foul smelling agenda.
Your arrogant, STUPID argument works out to be this:
“If someone lies or misleads you in order to get a sale, it’s ok as long as they give your money back.”
WRONG.
You can *NEVER* ever restore someone to a previous point in their life by doing that. They’ve lost time and affort and whatever missed opportunities they gave up in the meantime while banking on false expectations.
Your rationalization is about as dumb as telling purse snatchers to “just give the purse back” and “we’ll forget all about it.” No we won’t, you fuckwad.
“Skepdick,” you are a bastard of the lowest order.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   -2
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
@Ron, well, well, well … you’re more creative than Joel. Look at you skepdick, asshole, fuckwad, a bastard of the lowest order?
Not getting laid?
SD’s argument is: Ryan’s site has no perpetual traffic yet he’s selling a product called Perpetual Traffic. Look at what alexa.com has to say about it – a darn spike! So, he’s actually selling this product to his list, JV, and over affiliates. Busted!!!
I think this is a faulty argument.
I reviewed Ryan’s product and it’s a basic SEO product. And as I said, my perspective on what’s basic is a bit skewed because I own and operate almost 400 sites, and I’ve been doing that for quite some time now. (I remember when animated gifs were hot stuff, and I remember when people where running away from gifs because Unisys wanted us to pay for commercial use of gif files, I remember the days when meta tag keyword stuffing was an advanced SEO technique:)
Now, what do you have to offer except an emotional tantrum and insults?
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Ron Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
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@skepdick, Salty has told you point blank that is NOT his argument. Yet, you continue to put words in his mouth, and you seem to be ignoring the substantial number of damning other posts about Ryan Deiss and his felon associate, Perry Belcher, which are VERY disconcerting.
As Salty and others have noted, it’s obvious you are not here on any quest for truth. You’re just here as a supporter of the dark side.
LOSER!! ::   -5

skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
@Ron, skepdick? Really?
Have you read the original post? Yes, that post with the nice pictures from alexa.com? How would you sum it up?
Something like this, perhaps:
“Ryan’s site has no perpetual traffic yet he’s selling a product called Perpetual Traffic. Look at what alexa.com has to say about it – a darn spike! So, he’s actually selling this product to his list, JV, and over affiliates. Busted!!!”
I can’t talk about his other products because I haven’t seen them, but I saw this one and I still think that when compared to his competition his product is actually decent.
His program is basic. So what? Is everyone familiar with SEO? Of course not! Will you learn something if you follow this program? Yes, you will. If you are an expert (a real one, not the “I have a blog two years now”) you won’t learn much, if anything. But if you are a beginner, you will learn a lot and you’ll have a website making a tiny profit at the end of the program.
I can’t take what you say as valid if you have no idea what product is all about and you call me skepdick :)
Me, a supporter of the dark side? Hell no! I just don’t like keyboard commandos talking shit about the subject they know nothing about.
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Kevin Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
NONE of Ryan’s own sites (and he has many) show any decent SEO traffic. NONE. Some have been around for YEARS. SD goes through the numbers in his followup post to this one.
It’s absolutely ridiculous to think that Ryan Deiss is going to teach anyone anything earth shattering about SEO when his OWN sites have consistently NEVER had good SEO traffic at all.
Ryan now states that SEO is important. But he “expertise” has failed to accomplish anything of consequence to date with any of his own web sites, even in other categories besides his main “make money quick” category.
Absurd.
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 16th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
@skeptic,
“The guy is selling basic SEO information for $2000 US and he’s stupid?”
It doesn’t take intelligence to deceive….
Nigerians make a boatload….they “sell” the same thing….a dream?….a promise?…nay nay…a lie…
Some people on craigs list sell non-existent cars…some people on Ebay sell fake memorabilia…some companies in China sell fake everything…..what kind of intelligence does that take…
Bernie Madoff made boatloads of money promising exaggerated returns (selling IOU’s basically)…..did that take “brilliance”? Does the fact that he had more money then all the clowns have together make him smarter?
When did theft by deception, become a marker of intelligence?
“Now, how much does a smart guy like you earn? Think about it …”
I make enough that I don’t have to hang around the internet telling people how much I make, in an attempt to convince people they should believe in the promises I make…so they can make what I claim to make (even if I don’t make it, or didn’t make it, in the same way I “teach” them how to make it).
That said…who doesn’t like to share their suckcess with total strangers….
We live in a brand new beautiful triple corrugated box on the corner of Bay and King (the financial district).. location… location…. location….I live with my wife and two cats (Jeffrey Skilling and Arthur Anderson)…we drive a beautiful Yugo automobile (we only use it occasionally to drive to our summer box in the country)…and I am the CEO of a very lucrative pan-handling business….now you can bask in the glory, which is _cartman_….
“Don’t try to sell us that you don’t do it because it’s amoral. Or, that earning big bucks is not your cup of tea.”
Hey sweetie…I don’t do it because it’s fraud….go back and read my comment from way back (in one of the Andros threads)…I stated clearly that the “cost” of any of this material (no matter how overpriced) is not an issue (it was in response to Jake’s question)…it is the deceptions used to sell them that I take issue with….
How you equated “Deiss is a fucking R-tard” = me “hating” to earn “big bucks”…is beyond me…
WINNER!! ::   +12
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 10:40 am
@_cartman_,
At the risk of repeating myself:
1. If you don’t like his product, ask for your money back.
2. If his product fails to deliver on its promises, ask for your money back.
I appreciate what SD is doing (exposing the syndicate), but this place tends to attract a lot of haters that have no idea what is in the product, but feel qualified to dismiss it and call people retards.
I reviewed this product and it’s a kid’s level SEO. Is the price of $2000 US a fair one? That’s the question to be answered by those who bought the product, not some anonymous hater – some keyboard commando – someone called Joel :)
Ryan Deiss is no SEO expert, but can he make a decent product for beginners willing to shell out $2000 US?
Yes, he can.
It will take them years to get back $2000 US from their site using Ryan’s tactics, but that’s another story. As long as the guy is offering you money back guarantee, you are protected. You’re not a child, use your head – no results – ask for your money back.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +1
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
@skeptic,
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“I appreciate what SD is doing (exposing the syndicate), but this place tends to attract a lot of haters that have no idea what is in the product, but feel qualified to dismiss it and call people retards.”
———
Funny thing about having intelligence, one only has to understand the subject and can then discern the flaws in “reasoning”, to know that a product (or a person’s knowledge) is being sold on inherently flawed principles.
[ie: My car blinker doesn't work. I think the fucking mechanic forgot to put blinker fluid in last time I got the oil changed....see how stupid that is....Now, if you know enough about "electronics", you realize that blinker fluid is used up real slow...so it's not that the mechanic forgot to put in the blinker fluid, rather their is probably a crack in the blinker fluid tank. Now I have to pay $2,000 because my blinker motor seized...the nice thing is, I found a real good mechanic and am getting a 5 year parts AND labor warranty if the new blinker motor stops working for any reason.]
Do you understand yet.
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“Ryan Deiss is no SEO expert, but can he make a decent product for beginners”
you then expanded that by stating…
“It will take them years to get back $2000 US from their site using Ryan’s tactics,”
————
How on planet dirt can that be classified as even being a “decent” (your word) product, if you claim that it will take years to get back the $2K “implementing” his course.
BTW, he states his course is good for beginners to expert (along with a myriad of other BS)…I included the video link if someone really needs to listen to it)
https://videosalesletters.s3.amazonaws.com/perpetual-salesvid-short-new.flv
WINNER!! ::   +7
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
@_cartman_, I get your point, but his product is actually decent. Now, what determines what is decent? The market. Just look at what is selling and you’ll realize that his product, when compared to his competition, is actually decent. That says a lot about the market, but that’s another story.
The SD’s argument against Ryan is that he sells this product using his list, JV, and affiliates. And acording to SD you can’t sell an SEO product that way, because the only way to sell an SEO product is to use SEO. And I disagree with that kind of logic.
I know that hating the “gurus” is the only popular option here, but I hope that there are some people here who can control their emotions and discuss this in a civilized manner.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
@_cartman_, i don’t think “skeptic” wants to understand…
A decent product for beginners? It’s not even that, it’s a bad product for anyone.
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SD Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
@Unicorn Army ::
… people on quests for understanding don’t comment from proxy servers in Zaire.

skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
@ SD, that’s just not fair!
I’m not posting this from a proxy in Zaire. I’m posting this from Montenegro (used to be in Yugoslavia) and this Zaire thing is just a bug (off by one) in the script. You should see ads offering me to meet sexy girls in Podgorica, Zaire. F.ucking hilarious!
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
3 down votes for saying there is a software bug? Kinda tells volumes about the people here.
To clarify it for you a bit:
Countries list goes like this:
…. Zaire, Yugoslavia, …
and because of the bug in the script known as “off-by-one”, all IP adresses from ex-Yugoslavia are represented as being from Zaire.
And that causes some strange things, especially when you see the ads offering you to meet sexy girls from your area: Podgorica, Zaire. And that’s hilarious because they are missing the continent, not just the country. (For those of you geographically challenged, Zaire is a country in Africa, Montenegro is a country in Europe)
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# 30 July 2010 at 3:55 am

Anywho said:
Does Rayon Duffus attend a moron church?
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 11:45 am
@Anywho, do you?
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# 30 July 2010 at 3:59 am

The first 50 said:
Will receive a free bonus copy of Ryan’s new ebook “Beta Male Millions”, where he shows you how to tap into the very same powers that made the whole world fall in love with Steve Urkel!
But wait!
We’ll also throw in Frank Kern’s TOP SECRET ebook “Surfer Dude Millions”, which will show you how to grow your hair out like you’re one of the Goo Goo Dolls, gives a detailed BULLETPROOF gameplan to stop shaving, as well as a FULL TWENTY HOURS OF VIDEO OF FRANK WATCHING HEE-HAW AND REPEATING THE LINES WHERE YOU WATCH HIS VOICE SLOWLY CHANGE FROM STANDARD OLD IRWIN KERN, TO YOURS TRULY!
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:49 am
@The first 50, That’s a good bonus package, but unless it has Beach Millions in it, so I can learn how to um… how to… uh… I dunno what was Harlan Killstein supposed to teach in that frauduct again? Was it how to make millions while sitting in front of a green screen at my mom’s (or was it his mom’s) house or something like that?
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Jean D Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
@Rafael Marquez, Kilstein was cleaning a bathroom, while wearing a yamika, in that one video. This Deiss guy doesn’t even attempt to have a convincing presentation. Look at that lame ass drawing on the white board!
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Seomaster Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 4:29 pm
@The first 50, Haha or better yet, Frank Kern how to get Vagina for free by hiring Ho’s and bitches…
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# 30 July 2010 at 5:49 am

Ryan Healy said:
If by “perpetual traffic” Deiss means traffic for a week, then his product seems pretty accurate.
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Uncle Roy Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
@Ryan Healy, LOL, And you pay $2000 for that.
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 11:05 am
@Ryan Healy,
This was kind of ironic coming from a co-author of the book Million-Dollar Marketing Secrets …
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Ryan Healy Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
@skeptic, Not sure I understand what you’re getting at. Deiss’s websites seem to get spikes of traffic during promotions — not perpetual traffic from search engines. Hence, my comment.
Yep, I submitted a chapter for that book. You can read it free online:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Marketing-Strategies-That-Work:-Setting-The-Buying-Criteria&id=236361
I didn’t come up with the title of the book… I always thought it was promising too much. I’m pretty sure nobody has made $1 million from buying a $19 book.
Most of the books in my possession have either been sold for $5 or given away free. Still quite a few in my basement…
Ryan
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
@Ryan Healy, thank you for the vote down.
> I didn’t come up with the title of the book…
> I always thought it was promising too much.
Like Ryan’s product?
Have you looked at the product? From your post it seems you haven’t. No disrespect, but his product will give you perpetual traffic, but not enough of it to warrant a $2000 US price tag.
Rayn’s not using the tactics from this product means nothing.
You’re a copywriter, a marketer, don’t you think that using your own list, JVs, and affiliates is far more superior to starting from scratch just to prove your product is working?
You don’t have to be a world class boxer in order to train Muhammad Ali. And you definitely don’t need to be an SEO expert to create a decent product for beginners.
Is $2000 too much for it? In my opinion it is. But there are people who think it isn’t.
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Ryan Healy Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
@skeptic, Actually, I did not vote your comment down. :-)
I don’t have Ryan’s product. It was my understanding that it didn’t even exist when he was selling it because it was going to be a multi-week training program delivered by webinar.
Ryan
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
@Ryan Healy,
Yup, it’s a multi-week training program, but in the getting started video he presents the game plan. Basic, rehashed, but useful to beginners.
Basically it is:
micro niche + wordpress blog + automated backlink building
It’s pretty lame if you are an expert, but if you’re a beginner you can learn something.
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SD Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
@skeptic ::
Are you calling yourself “skeptic” to be ironical?
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
@SD, have you bought this product? Do you know what it is about? Or you just like to talk shit with no evidence to back it up?
The guy is selling a basic SEO training program and he wants $2000 for it. This is valid info, basic but still valid – and if you know anything about SEO – you will agree with me. If you are not happy with the product, he’ll give you a refund. So, what’s the big deal?
The way he sells it is the most profitable way you can do it. Your own list + JV + affiliates.
As I said earlier:
Ryan Deiss is no SEO expert, but can he make a decent product for beginners willing to shell out $2000 US?
Yes, he can.
You may vote down my comments easily, but you will have a hard time backing up your claims and false reasoning(Must use SEO in order to sell a valid SEO product).
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +1

SD Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
@skeptic ::
If you don’t feel this single post is enough reason to condem Ryan … then I gladly offer you this one time opportunity to read the other 50 posts about him … hurry supplies are limited and it wouldn’t be fair to others if I left them up after the full moon has passed.

skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
@SD, from another replay:
Your argument against Ryan is that he sells this product using his list, JV, and affiliates. And acording to you he can’t sell an SEO product that way, because the only way to sell an SEO product is to use SEO. And I disagree with that kind of logic.
P.S.
This should be one level deeper (a replay to SD’s replay one level deeper)
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SD Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
@skeptic ::
No that is not my argument … if you think that is my argument … then you have no idea what’s happening here an should remain silent until you figure it out.

skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
@SD,yes that’s your argument – Ryan’s site has no perpetual traffic yet he’s selling a product called Perpetual Traffic. Look at what alexa.com has to say about it – a darn spike! Busted!!!
The guy thinks his SEO skills are world class and his claim that the program is good for beginners and experts alike is valid to him.
I think his program is basic, but I own almost 400 sites so my perspective on what is basic is a bit skewed.
I don’t love the guy, but I don’t hate him either.
He has the gall to ask for $2000 for his (basic info IMO) products – but he’s not forcing you to buy it! And if you buy his product and it fails to deliver on its promises – ask for a full refund. (Bonus: A chargeback will put him in a big trouble with his merchant account provider).
SD, I’m very well aware what’s going on here. But if you want to get some serious support for your cause you should start providing better arguments. I know this is gonna piss off “the haters team”, but nobody is taking them seriously anyway. At least, nobody of importance.
P.S.
Darn nesting.
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# 30 July 2010 at 9:02 am

Christian Blowjobs & Jewish Finger Healing said:
Never heard of Ryan Deiss before this blog, but he seems lame as ever. There must be a requirement to be mentally retarded to join the IM ranks, because seriously, the least he could have done is pretend to actually use his own methods. Guess he underestimated people going to actually check on his work. Muhuahahaha. Reminds me of Perry Belcher’s Twitter Rockstar crap and let’s not forget Maria Andros’ video views on Youtube. No matter how cool these dumbos try to make themselves look, they just don’t quite get there and end up looking confused. Wondering for who Ryan Deiss is puckering up his lips to suck for?
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skeptic Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 11:15 am
@Christian Blowjobs & Jewish Finger Healing,
>[b]Never heard of[/b] Ryan Deiss before this blog, but he [b]seems lame as ever[/b].
Kinda contradictory, don’t you think?
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# 30 July 2010 at 9:23 am

James said:
The REFUND CLOCK started ticking Wednesday, July 28, for anyone who actually “paid” Ryan Deiss a whopping $2,000.00 for that “stuff.”
So for anyone just stumbling in here, remember that it’s still ticking, and you have a deadline to cancel and get your money back while you still can!
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advancedNoob Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 1:29 pm
@James,
I’d do it right now too. I just now got an email from the marketer I’ve mentioned before:
——————–
Yup, I’m sick of these $2000 ‘info products’ as well. You know,
you can get complete medical training in certain aspects of
patient management and care for less than that?
Anyway, there are a few reasons for my decision to not waste
your time and brainspace with promoting Perpetual Traffic Formula.
Here are the reasons as well as a free tutorial:
==> http://copynprofit.com/perpetual
———
When even well known and established marketers are calling the guy out on his lies, that should say quite a bit about this piece of frauduct. So yeah, everyone, get your refunds NOW!
WINNER!! ::   +8
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advancedNoob Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm
@advancedNoob,
Wanted to add because this line cracked me up:
“I’m not bashing on Ryan Deiss and Perpetual Traffic Formula…well, in a way I am.” around 4 minute mark.
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James Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 2:13 pm
@advancedNoob, Thanks for this. Very eye opening!
EVERYONE should watch that video:
http://copynprofit.com/perpetual/
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SD Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 3:09 pm
@advancedNoob ::
I like how he types in Notepad while he talks. What a nerd!
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advancedNoob Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 6:47 pm
@SD,
Definitely a nerd, but can’t deny what he’s saying. He did something similar with Tellman earlier. He once said that he does that typing at the same time thing because he gets emails from a couple handicapped people who like that.
But whatever…find it interesting that it’s been voted down…who other than Ryan and his goons would do that?
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Frank Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 7:15 pm
@advancedNoob, No doubt: who OTHER than Ryan and his goony boys would vote down a very logical and reasonable critique like the one in the above video link?
Maybe this discussion should be enlarged to also include Ryan’s little staff of patsy boys, Nathan and Richard. AKA Ryan’s “Wet Dweam Team.”
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# 30 July 2010 at 1:48 pm

.nate said:
$2,000 for “free” traffic (with perpetual SEO costs).
-or-
$2,000 to put towards advertising and paid traffic.
Why don’t people think this through…
Not to mention if you don’t pay for your traffic first to see what converts, you’ll end up with a bunch of non-converting, free traffic if you manage to get any.
I HAVE SPOKEN!!!
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McTooth Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
@.nate, Spot on! There is no free lunch, and…no free “perpetual” traffic!
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# 30 July 2010 at 2:08 pm

Bella said:
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Did you ever go to sales or marketing classes Mr Droid? I’m guessing not since the first lesson you get is ‘don’t try and make yourself look good by dissing your opposition. It doesn’t work, you look like a lame-ass loser, and rightly so’.
Just asking.
LOSER!! ::   -21
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Carole Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
@Bella, You are an idiot. This is not an internet marketing blog. This is a pro-consumer blog which gives victims a voice. As such, your “pro-scammer” views are worthless, and rightly so.
WINNER!! ::   +13
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Anthony Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
LOL, “Bella” (or “Bellows”) is probably a Deiss affiliate. Did you win one of the Ipads he gave away for selling out your list for him? Or did you score “big” and win a motorcycle or that car? Maybe the home entertainment system?
Those prizes can really make the difference when you are debating the question:
“Should I sell out the people who trust me?”
Looks like more than a few internet marketers said, “Hell, yes!”
Take a look at your email inbox, people, and take note the names of the douchebags who tried to push this down your throat.
And never do business with them again. Ever.
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SD Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
@Bella ::
I’m not a marketer … I’m a badass advocate for justice. Did you ever go to badass classes? I’m guessing not.
And maybe you should take some of those marketing classes you mention … cause actually … handled correctly … dissing on others is a stellar way to build up credibility in order to sell your own sham of a hollow frauduct.
… not as effective as being in a cartel of course … but still effective.
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Kann Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 10:21 pm
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@SD,
Ha, you are not “badass” by any means…whiny schoolboy who comes across as someone who was picked on? Yes, yes indeed.
Your sham of a hollow frauduct is your overpriced legal services, and you generate clients through this ‘blog’, am i rite guyzzz? m i rite???
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Spot Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 10:38 pm
@Kann, Why are YOU so worried, scammer? You keep coming back here promoting your scam worship. Business way down? Sucker markets wising up? Have a pretzel.
Seems kind of pointless and pathetic even for a sociopath like you, “Kann.” (How’s Pat?) But, as has been said, anything that wastes your time and keeps you away from ripping off people with wild abandon MUST be a good thing. Objective accomplished! Good work, Salty.
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Liar Crusher Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 4:39 am
@Kann,
Wow! You are clearly a Lord among Douches…and you’re totally fucking stupid, too. Amazing how much you can tell about someone in so little prose, aye?
You give vaginas a bad name.
Liar Crusher
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_cartman_ Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
@Bella,
“Did you ever go to sales or marketing classes Mr Droid?
I’m guessing not since the first lesson you get is ‘don’t try and make yourself look good by dissing your opposition.” -Bella
hmmm…doesn’t sound like something they would say in a “marketing” class (did you go to sKcool in the Ghetto)…and what the fuck is “sales” class….what sKcool did you go to (my guess…none…if you are going to Deiss for his advertising “prowess” (bahahaha…fuck…my poor screen…{mental note: no drinking and posting})…
BTW….
http://picasaweb.google.com/anna.m.kon/BMWTheBestOfMunich#slideshow/5293491356856462082
http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/battle-of-the-brands-pepsi-vs-coke-advertisements/
and
A marketer answers questions like:
Who are our customers? (ghetto translation:who da peeps)
What are their needs? (ghetto translation:what they want)
How can we best meet these needs? (ghetto translation: got you back, aight)
Salty may not be a marketer (technically)…but people are here because he is meeting their needs(booya)…and that’s the need for Justice(booya)…and sensational humor!…this place is off the chain, aight…so he is marketing fabulously (note the subtle difference, aight).
These bustas (like Deiss) are not marketers,aight…they are fuckin XeroX newjack and ya gotta be 7-3-0 to think otherwise…now gimme yo math, aight…we’ll rap…okay cheesemosa?
who knew…I speak three fucking languages…fluently (yeah…I threw in the cheesemosa to show that I am multi-lingual…why…cuz I’m a fucking rock star….pat self on back…)
WINNER!! ::   +10
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Bruce Dickinson Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 8:18 pm
@Bella,
It is obvious you haven’t been laid in awhile.
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# 30 July 2010 at 2:17 pm

Deiss Affiliate said:
@nate – like your offer page
News from the underground. Deiss and Perry had a big “affiliate appreciation” PRIVATE mastermind in Austin not too far back and included private techniques shared in this meeting in his latest course.
This was without permission.
So since he and Perry don’t have anything that works aside from doing JV email blasts, he steals from his mastermind members and best affiliates.
Because of this, they had a hard time getting their partners (except for total dumb shits like Brad Fallon) to send this time around.
Perry and Ryan have also lifted other materials and been in some hot water over it. Doesn’t seem to matter when you have Jesus on your side.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Ken Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
@Deiss Affiliate, Not surprising.
Even more amazing are the foolish affiliates who actually GAVE AWAY their lists by promoting this. Talk about throwing away your most valuable asset. Ryan and Perry have to be “high-fiving” each other and laughing about how they got all the dumb affiliates to basically hand them their lists on a silver platter.
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# 30 July 2010 at 4:46 pm

Zane said:
here is an alternative method to apply perpetual traffic formula without costing you arm or leg
http://internetprofitbootcamp.com/alternative-to-perpetual-traffic-formula/
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bob Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 11:16 am
@Zane, Good info. Goes to show how overpriced a lot of the “guru junk” really is.
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# 31 July 2010 at 10:12 am

Dan said:
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Funny how you all say it’s a scam but haven’t even looked at the product yet…
I know you haven’t looked at it because training hasn’t even started yet.
I think that’s called jumping the gun, no?
Basing that decision off a couple screen shots is freakin ridiculous. You do know that Deiss has a whole line of products outside of the IM niche right? Could he perhaps be using those techniques on those sites? Maybe…just maybe…
LOSER!! ::   -7
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Johnathon Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:19 pm
“Dan,” your sleazy agenda is pretty obvious.
1.) Deiss released a bunch of HYPE-laden pre-sell content (not just a “couple a screenshots” as you say), and he presented it as supposedly earth shattering new info. It was not. He simply re-packaged OLD, FREE information and presented it as his own. Since marketers always put their best foot forward, it is entirely reasonable to assess that THE ACTUAL PRODUCT WILL BE MORE OF THE SAME. In other words, DOWNHILL from here.
2.) What exactly is Deiss’ “whole line of products” OUTSIDE of internet marketing that you refer to? Please be specific. If you need help with that, here are most of them:
http://saltydroid.info/patsyboys-info-masturbation/#comment-15587
What besides the excercise sites are NOT get rich quick or internet marketing related?
I especially like the site where Perry Belcher pretends to be an experienced ice cream truck expert (after having done a video elsewhere where he said he had no experience in it and just found someone who did). That says a lot. It says these guys are selling you second-hand “expertise” that just fell off the back of someone else’s truck.
“Dan,” you are talking straight out of your ass and are just another Deiss apologist. Did you mail for him? Win a prize? Or just like dark closets?
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mikefilsaimeinder Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 1:44 pm
@Dan, uhhh no he isn’t. He is using ppc and banner ads the very things he says are no longer worthwhile lol. This is a product for the morons.
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Hoppin Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 2:17 pm
@mikefilsaimeinder, That’s a lot like telling the sheep to go on into the slaughter house (“the weather’s fine!”) while HE waits outside and fires up the barbecue grill.
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Martypants Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 3:03 pm
@Dan, I have been privvy to a friend’s account on this mailing list, and have seen everything coming out so far.
Everything.
I tried to sit thru Ryan’s latest 65 minute hype-fest in a single sitting, but lost interest. I’ll finish it, I promise…but small doses is all I can take of this guy in one sitting. He is useless.
Hollow, trite, manipulative, obvious and dated sales techniques are mind wrenchingly boring.
But I promise you – I have, and will continue to watch everything.
I can tell you without hesitation, I have not yet seen anything worth paying for – but to be fair, money is not changing hands. His information has all been free…it’s leading into next week. (Jeez, haven’t you guys ever done a product launch?)
Deiss is researching stuff – for free – on performing detailed search queries and releasing it as some unbelievable, money-making insight. He gloms the work of others, co-opting it for his own profit without sharing royalties. Surrounds it all in hype, and voila: instant pseudo-credibilty.
He is not offering bad information per se, he is simply recycling stuff that has been available, for free, for years. So his input is weak with the stench of pile-on and hardly going to make a difference for anyone’s bottom line unless they haven’t yet been trying. Do you see that in the sales copy?
So would it have value for a beginner? Yes – but so would the same information, for free, found in countless places across the web. Places where there is not a d-bag creeping behind every link, (petting rabbits _cartman_) simply looking for the white of your underbelly to stab you with a recurring monthly fee.
Deiss has been acting in his emails like the release of this information is going to change the world – or your business – or something.
His associates (read: the dorks who sold the lists) are now starting to email offers, too. Suckers.
So much of it is filler, it will never again see the light of day, even to be ridiculed. Thankfully.
But believe me, I am ready to dance if you want to go toe-to-toe, “Dan.”
I got my facts straight here – how you doing over there?
WINNER!! ::   +12
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Kann Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 10:24 pm
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@Dan,
Most of the readers of this blog blindly cry about products in the marketplace that they can’t afford…and base their judgments on the price itself, rather than the product itself.
It could be the greatest quality digital product in the world, but if it has a $1997 price tag and is selling like hotcakes, you better believe you’ll see it on this ‘blog’.
If only I were big enough to make it to this ‘blog’…I’d be a happy man.
LOSER!! ::   -5
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Spot Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 10:51 pm
What’s great about comments like this is that it shows new visitors to this blog just how cold these IM’ers are.
Everyone is just another “mark” to them. Kann is a common example (and it’s no surprise that “Kann” is also phonetic for “CON.”)
Ryan Healy wrote a nice blog post about deception, which also mentioned how scammers come here and post bogus comments in a futile attempt to support their conning ways. See:
http://www.ryanhealy.com/disinformation-subterfuge-propaganda/
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Ryan Healy Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 9:21 am
@Spot, Thanks for the mention. :-)
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Caligula Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:46 am
@Kann,
oh PLEASE. It ain’t nothing bout spending $1997. Only losers like you spend money on this shit. Winners just get it for free from torrent sites:)
See? If you think you gotta pay full price, YOUR the loser, not us.
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mop head Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 6:09 am
@Dan, why is this the same story with every IM guru? Supposedly, they have hidden sites that no one knows about where they are using these tactics, but all the known sites are either using paid traffic or dubious techniques to bump up the stats. It’s always the same thing, that they have all these secret sites that bring in lots of money, but they can’t tell you what they are because they risk getting ripped off.
Any legitimate business would want to be seen and it is not so easy to rip off. Commitment and trust with your customers are harder to copy. It requires honesty as a business, which is lacking in 99% of the IM world.
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James Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 10:55 am
@mop head, You are so right.
In fact, just yesterday I saw some Deiss BANNER ADS promoting this hype. That’s right, BANNER ADS. Not links, not “organic search listings,” and certainly not the stuff he’s been purporting to “teach” people in this so-called “training.”
Which means, on the one hand, Deiss is telling people to give him money to hear all of this old, yesterday’s news about LINKS and “organic traffic” (good luck with that!) and yet, on the other hand, he’s actually heavily using BANNER ADS to get traffic for himself.
People really need to wake up before they take out their credit cards and go into debt for just another bunch of rehashed, hot air.
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Poop Chute Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:09 am
@James, Have you ever participated in an affiliate program that offers up banner ads? Ever seen the products in Click Bank, Commission Junction or dozens of other affiliate and cpa sites that include banners you can use…as an affiliate?
Mere banners on sites doesn’t indicate someone’s paying for them.
I’m not defending Deiss’ product or tactics here. Just pointing out how everyone on this blog works everyone else into hysteria, one pointing out a supposed “flaw” on top of another, eventually coming to the conclusion this is proof “all these guys suck.”
Well — I will dare to say here that “all these IM guys” do NOT suck. MANY do. But teaching IM is a legitimate business, just as teaching hair styling (around $11,000 for training), network administration (around $10,000 to be certified), and on and on and on.
Believe me — you can find all the “free” info you want on the Web. Absolutely. You can find out how to fix your own car. You can find out how to style someone’s hair. How to build a house.
And — guess what? It’s almost ALL “rehashed information you can find for free somewhere else.”
But — in every case, there is also a whole lot of WRONG-HEADED garbage available free on the net,too.
If you want to roll up your sleeves and dive in and try to figure it out…good for you. You MIGHT piece it all together and get it working. A lot of people do that.
MOST people learn from others and also realize you have to work with someone who knows what he or she is doing and is already proficient at it. In exchange for money they are PAYING to AVOID dumpster diving in the trash heap called “free info on the Web” and cut their learning time and get some guidance to speed up their potential success.
For crying out loud…there are only so many words in the english language. There are few “new” ideas and — I’m sorry — but that’s NOT the criteria for books, courses or any knowledge-based products or there would never be a need for another cook book or how-to manual for most anything.
I’d like to see how many people on this blog today consider themselves a success FINANCIALLY from digging through free info and starting an online business?
There are some…most aren’t here whining away.
PLEASE — go after the frauds. Stop the hype-laden idiots. They clutter up the field and make it harder for LEGITIMATE teachers of LEGITIMATE techniques to get noticed and be found.
And stop harping on price. Just because you can’t afford something doesn’t mean “it must be GREAT” any more than it makes it instantly worthless.
It’s just out of your reach and, admittedly, given the landscape of the Web today, you might have been saved from a costly mistake.
Finally — the whole matter that success is about more than money. Absolutely true. Millions won’t get you into Heaven any faster than a life of poverty. It’s what you DO with your life that matters — and who you hurt on the way to where you are.
If you can find a way to make millions hand-over-fist helping people who are happy with the value you delivered them — you’re also not BARRED from Heaven’s gates if you’re legitimate and honest and deliver value.
You aren’t, in other words, inherently bad if you make TRILLIONS. It’s HOW you made them and what you gave BACK to get those trillians. If you’re a scammer, all the so-called “charity” tie-ins and donations in the world won’t help you.
See why I hate scammers? They make otherwise ordinarily reasonable, smart people like I see on this blog all the time lose their reasoning and start saying “nothing works, it’s all a scam, it’s all baloney.”
As for Deiss — to keep this on-topic — I don’t know the dude. He’s got quite a rep for FINANCIAL success, but I have no idea what he’s selling or offering.
While I DO know lambasting someone’s PRODUCT based on the marketing is about as wrong-headed as you can get, I also understand that hype-filled junk marketing is a good indicator you probably aren’t dealing with someone who believes in value for the dollar OR trust.
This is why I NEVER participate in or buy those stupid launch products. Many times, launch products are products the producers KNOW won’t stand up to the scrutiny and word-of-mouth that would spread when it started selling, dying on the vine before massive sales could ever be achieved — so they build a huge launch and sell everything they can in a couple of days — before anyone has any real chance to REVIEW the product and let the rest of the web know what’s really up.
NOT good.
A solid product that delivers worthwhile value should sell BETTER WITHOUT a launch. Not day one, of course, but over time, as satisfied buyers spread the word-of-mouth that they were happy.
Kind of like things sold in the old days if you didn’t have $50 million to throw into national TV advertising to launch a new product.
I realize anyone else coming here and saying this can often be instantly labeled “one of them” (SD’s strong us-against-them-marketing-that-he-denies-is-marketing-or-persuasion) and ignored. Sometimes you’re right. Often, it’s someone who has legitimate questions about the logic (or lack thereof) that so often filles this blog’s pages.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Poop Chute Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:44 am
@Poop Chute, PS: not too sure where that “filles” on the last line above. Obviously, it should be “fills.”
And — another NEGATIVE “benefit” of these huge launches — the AFFILIATES rarely have been given a view of what they’re being asked to promote, too.
In my opinion, any affiliate who promotes a product he or she hasn’t seen, looked over, and EXPERIENCED for themselves first — ESPECIALLY if that product is from someone they don’t know and have no record of trust with — should be considered scammers by assistance.
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Clay Reply:
August 7th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Here is great advice for making a purchase decision:
“If it’s good today, it will still be good tomorrow.”
Meaning, don’t rush out and spend a ton of money on some manufactured hype like these gimmick “launches.”
The reason most of these guys don’t do ongoing sales of any given “product” is because after the first few days or weeks, word gets around that the product was garbage.
So they create these contrived “launches” so they can get the money fast, before buyers realize what hit them and have a chance to compare notes.
LESSON: Stay away from fake-scarcity “launches.”
When you see the word “deadline” for a DIGITAL PRODUCT, or really ANY product, RUN! There is no excuse for a deadline unless the product has NO value and can’t stand up to scrutiny or review.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
August 7th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
@Clay, there are plenty of *real* reasons to have a deadline for a training class. None of them apply here, of course, and the existence of a deadline in combination with far more obvious clues (e.g. content is utter bullshit, massive hype and unproven claims, etc) can and should inform any purchase decisions.
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 3:44 pm
@Dan,
“You do know that Deiss has a whole line of products outside of the IM niche right? Could he perhaps be using those techniques on those sites? Maybe…just maybe…” -Dan
Right…right…”a whole line of products”….why not post a link to one of those sites (rather then make allusions to their existence)….so we can analyze the “perpetual traffic”….
I wonder why NONE of these so called gurus show any verifiable data to show the real traffic they get (so there would be no questioning their veracity)….maybe…just maybe….it’s because objective reality differs from their subjective interpretation of reality….
“Basing that decision off a couple screen shots is freakin ridiculous. ” -Dan
A lot less ridiculous then purchasing a $2,000 “product” which has absolutely no “objective” testimonials….all those “promoting” it (as ASSfiliate have a vested interest as ASSfiliates to claim its great…oh wait a minute….how can they claim that…quoting you….”it’s freakin ridiculous…you’re welcome….
I have yet to see “yeah it works…here’s my site….and check out my quantcast traffic data”…..
butt please…..don’t for one minute think that I may be implying that Deiss is a Fraud….cuz I am not implying any such thing…I’m outright stating it….
PS – millions of people read my _comments_ and buy my _products_ and any of these people can verify I know what I am talking about….
_cartman_’s testimonials
Borrock Obama- I used _cartman_’s visionprops(tm) with futurereal(tm)…I bought a puzz 3d whitehouse (as well as other props) and became prezident of the USA…_cartman_ is truly magical…
Bill Clinton -I am one of the millions of people that read _cartman_’s comments….and I can verify that he knows what he’s talking about…
Frank Kern – Fuck….I wish I was as brilliant as _cartman_…I futurereal(tm) the day this will happen…
disclaimer: The testimonials presented may or may not be representative the actual experiences of anyone in the known, or unknown universe (including any of the individuals ethereally quoted). The testimonials are not paid for, and may or may not be indicative of what real people can expect. They are extrapolated from the universal and represent what we believe would be indicative of those and others individuals experience, if those experiences were actually verifiable. If you rely on those testimonials, you do so at your own risk, at all times our fingers were crossed, making any testimonials not binding. We reserve the right to recreate and better the testimonials without prior notice, with or without the permission of the individual we are claiming to quote as we see fit.
And speaking of idiotic disclaimers…Andros has added a future earnings disclaimer to her 3 pages of disclaimer crap
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mariaandros.com/terms-of-use/+terms-of-use+maria+andros – (the cached version for those who want to view it without uping her alexa rank)
Forward Looking Earnings Statement
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MATERIALS IN OUR PRODUCT AND OUR WEBSITE MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT INCLUDES OR IS BASED UPON FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS WITHIN THE MEANING OF THE SECURITIES LITIGATION REFORM ACT OF 1995. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS GIVE OUR EXPECTATIONS OR FORECASTS OF FUTURE EVENTS. YOU CAN IDENTIFY THESE STATEMENTS BY THE FACT THAT THEY DO NOT RELATE STRICTLY TO HISTORICAL OR CURRENT FACTS. THEY USE WORDS SUCH AS “ANTICIPATE,” “ESTIMATE,” “EXPECT,” “PROJECT,” “INTEND,” “PLAN,” “BELIEVE,” AND OTHER WORDS AND TERMS OF SIMILAR MEANING IN CONNECTION WITH A DESCRIPTION OF POTENTIAL EARNINGS OR FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE.
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Hey bimbecile…you’re the fucking epitome of stoopid…forward looking statements are what YOU expect YOUR company to earn…not what you are claiming others may expect to fucking earn (based on your testiMOANials and/or claims) if they “bye” your shit…YOUR frauducts are not SECURITIES (ie; options, stocks, bonds, debentures [and no bimbecile...debentures are not fake teeth...I can't fucking believe you just thought that], mutual funds, forwards, futures, swaps, etc), and that act does not offer YOU (or YOUR company), any safe harbor provisions in regards to YOUR fraudulent claims…now go back to that sKcool that gave you your fake “degree”, and DEMAND your fake money back….
my fucking head hurts again…
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SD Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm
@_cartman_ ::
“forward-looking statements” … ha! She really is a special kind of stupid. Maybe even “the stupidest” … a very high/low honor considering the company she keeps … and puts in her iPhone of personal power.
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 1:22 am
@SD,
hahaha…yeah..she’s like Wander Woman…and her iPhony is her magic lasso of grate prowess….
Quick shoutout to anyone who may have saved Andros “launch” video. It’s the one where she is driving her BMW out of someone else’s closed gated estate, and later visits beverly hills to go shopping….and tells about her then upcoming (april ’09) launch. I need it to make a video….I thought I saved it..but I can’t seem to find it…
thanks.
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Nikki Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 7:52 am
@_cartman_, sorry, I didn’t keep it – it was far too cringeworthy, vacuous, and sick-making for me to deal with.
I’ve just had a trawl through my emails in case I could find a link to it somewhere, but all links just point to her SMTB blog which only has 2 videos on it from July 2009 – and that’s it.
It also doesn’t appear to be on her YouTube channel either…strange that!
I have to comment on this from her channel:
“I am truly honored to be one of the Most Subscribed (All Time) Guru’s by Youtube…(see below)”
Really? No-one has more than 5093 subscribers? Hmm.
I shall carry on rummaging to see if I can find a permalink to it, but she doesn’t ever seem to use them…a little strange, perhaps?
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Nikki Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:02 am
@Nikki, (talking to myself, I do this!)
_Cartman_, I may have found it but I don’t know whether you can save it from here? http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1128697018140
I believe this is the one you were referring to?
Hope this helps (see, ask the Universal Mine, and you shall receive!).
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 12:05 pm
@Nikki,
“Really? No-one has more than 5093 subscribers? Hmm.”
hahaha…actually….she wrote that because she LOST the distinction as one of the most subscribed (which is a top 100) gurus last year…
http://www.youtube.com/channels?s=ms&t=a&g=4&c=0&to=0&nb=0&p=5
The person NOW holding position 100 (top 100 subscribed gurus) has 6,288 subscriptions (ironically enough she is a make-up artist..started her channel 4 months later then Andros, & has more video views then Andros)….so it should come as no surprise that Maria A. Andros “GURU status claim” is deceptive in nature…
Being a “GURU” WAS the easiest thing to rank for (which is why she lost top 100 status) and these new gurus ended up “raising” the bar to rank as a guru….if Andros changes her channel type (to “not for profit”) she could rank again (butt..in my eyes…she will always be rank…sea bitch…I luv ewe)…all other categories are WAY out of her reach….
“I believe this is the one you were referring to?”
Yes it is…thanks much (and I won’t ask :)) …yup, able to download it….ohh damn….her hair!!!!…just shoot me now…..
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Nikki Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 4:40 am
@_cartman_ (for some reason I couldn’t reply directly to you so I’m having to reply to myself so I hope this appears in the right place!).
Ok, nonsensical rambling aside.
I was unaware that there was even a Guru section on YouTube, that’s how much of a noob I am. If only I had someone to teach me all about YouTube and how to profit from it by claiming to be a guru…wait, what?
Finding that vid – well, after trawling through my emails, her blog, and that sort of thing, I then went onto a link to her personal blog (rather than the SMTB one), and that had a link to her Facebook fan page. Luckily I didn’t need to become a fan to view the videos, found the one that I found so nauseatingly false last year (well, still do, but you know what I mean) and came back here to give you the link.
Sometimes I appreciate having the computer speakers on mute, I could watch the intro to the vid to check it was the right thing without actually having to listen to the “oh hi, fancy seeing you here, join me in my life of luxury with my luxurious lifestyle” (yes, the double use of luxury was intended).
Anyway, glad to have been of assistance!
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
@Nikki,
“I then went onto a link to her personal blog (rather than the SMTB one),”
hmmmm….interesting…..nice work on the find…I didn’t even realize facebook added a place for videos…
hey wonderful…no dates…no views (no metrics whatsoever)…right up her alley…now she can deceive with total impunity… but man…that was an extremely painful fan page profile to read..interesting the way the first half is written in 3rd person, and the second half in first person….it’s like she’s an MC for herself…right..right…first half is her (as team Andros) second half is her (as the “star” attraction)
“Maria A. Andros, also known as”
“Maria is passionate ”
“Maria earned her crown”
.
.
.
“I want to show you”
“For my “Insider Secrets” ”
“I want to make a DIFFERENCE”
{snipped down to semi tolerable levels}
thanks again for the find…
[thinking: now time to figure out how to turn that monstrosity (without losing what's left of my mind) into a work of _cARTman_ ...damn it...I hate making storyboards (magna _cartman_s in their own right)....
(ohhh gawd...i'm self aggrandizing subcutaneously...pat self on back...that's okay _cartman_...you're a rockstar!...sigh....yeah...I know)....]
my head hurts again….
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Vorhees Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm
It appears that “Dan” is most likely one “Daniel Brock,” who posted this idiotic comment in the WF forum thread that SD linked to:
“That link you posted is from a bitter blog owner who has no clue what Ryan’s product is about.” And: “His audience is a bunch of bitter IM failures who need to justify their failure by bashing a successful marketer.”
Daniel Brock is pretty full of himself (and shit), isn’t he?
Daniel is also the proud owner of “Profitzon.com.” (Motto: why let a little spelling error, like leaving off the “e” in “zone,” deter you from using an otherwise bullshit-sounding domain name?)
Daniel Brock’s “Profitzon” is a “system” and “blueprint” (both!) about how to sell on a “forgotten affiliate network.” That forgotten network is (cue drums) called, “Amazon.” And, it works “Even if You Are ‘Computerly’ Challenged” (sic).
Here’s how to save some money over what Daniel is selling: 1.) Add the suffix .com to the name Amazon; 2.) Press the enter key; 3.) Sign up. Congrats, you are now in business.
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# 31 July 2010 at 11:49 am

R2Me2 said:
Salty, have you seen the admission that Perry Belcher did not retire but is still in the Internet marketing biz? Maybe it’s time to fully crack down on him and get the feds involved in his flagrant abuse of his probation?
Here is the admission. It’s from their really good buddy Brad Fallon through his latest send out for the Perpetual Traffic promotion.
SHOCKING Split Test Results: HIDE the “Buy Button” – Increase Sales 157%
This is hard to believe, but we have the data. Check this out…
I was just talking to my buddy Perry Belcher about the Ryan Deiss launch today.
What he told me was pretty astounding!
Perry and Ryan have been using Perry’s well-known “Belcher Button” on the landing page with really great results.
But true to form, they weren’t satisfied with “really great results,” so they ran a split test. And of course that’s a HUGE lesson, itself. Even if you’re not running multi-million dollar online launches, you need to be testing all the time.
(Fortunately, StomperStorm is about to make that a WHOLE LOT EASIER, so stay tuned :-)
Now, back to the test. On the original version of the sales page (the Control), Perry and Ryan had a static version of the Belcher Button. On the second version (the Test), they made the buy button INVISIBLE.
What?!?
Yep, the buy button (actually, the Add to Cart button would only appear AFTER the sales video had played through to the point of purchase — the Call to Action in the video.
The results: the “hidden button” version blew the control out of the water to the tune of 157% more conversions!!
That’s INCREDIBLE — and there are a lot of lessons here when it comes to using video in your landing pages.
But go see it for yourself here:
https://redacted
By the way, the product Perry and Ryan are releasing is called the Perpetual Traffic Formula. I have to tell you it’s one of the most impressive traffic generating systems I’ve seen in a LONG time.
That’s because it’s a specific strategy…a complete system…for getting a FLOOD of traffic. And it’s based on PROVEN SEO and link-building tactics that are sound and work like gangbusters!
In fact I believe in this SO much, I’m going to offer everyone who buys the Perpetual Traffic Formula through this StomperNet link an incredible bonus:
I’m calling it The Best of SEO PRO!
We’ve never given away anything like this before:
It’s not one but TWO of the AMAZING 3-hour presentations by the Rockstar Faculty at SEO Pro. (If you’ve been in a cave, SEO Pro was the unbelievable 4-day Boot Camp we held this past weekend. The content from the awesome faculty was off the hook. But it was limited to a small group, and it cost $5,000, just to walk in the door.
For the lucky few who could be there, it was a KNOCK-OUT. The quality and depth of the presentations are some of the best stuff ever produced by StomperNet.
And I want to give you the best of it, just for trying Ryan and Perry’s Perpetual Traffic System. (If you’re doing ANY kind of Internet Marketing, you’d be well served to check it out — I guarantee it. And I’ll give you two full 3+ hour presentations from this recent $5,000 event, just for trying it.
Here’s the link again:
https://redacted
And pay close attention to how Perry and Ryan make use of the PROVEN hidden button. This stuff is killer and it’s CUTTING EDGE Internet Marketing before your very eyes.
Talk soon,
Brad Fallon
CEO
StomperNet
P.S. Perry and Ryan are also going to give you access to some proprietary software that his team developed for their in-house link-building campaigns. You can’t get this software ANYWHERE else. It’s one of the most amazing SEO tools I’ve ever seen. Go check it out NOW:
P.P.S. Even if you don’t buy their ULTIMATE Traffic System, and get my awesome bonus from last week’s $5,000 SEO Pro Boot Camp, you MUST watch their video — with the new, INVISIBLE Buy Button. Go check it out here:
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Miguel Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 2:12 pm
@R2Me2, Evil Jowls is almost surely still working his con act in the back room. He will never change. All the numerous comments that were once on Mike Young’s blog about Belcher (before Mike woefully sanitized them) pretty much pointed to a guy who had been scamming for years and years.
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SD Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 3:03 pm
@R2Me2 ::
I know Evil Jowls didn’t really “retire” … but he disappeared himself from my jurisdiction … in return for which I agreed to a cease fire {although he’s been pushing his luck lately}.
However :: others are clearly free to report his activities to whomever they wish.
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Deiss Affiliate Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 6:21 am
@SD, Belcher is not even pretending to retire. Totally runs the show. Don’t understand the disappear part at all. He and Ryan are just finding frontmen for their products now.
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Larry Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 11:38 am
@Deiss Affiliate, Perry Belcher is one heartless snake of a con man. He will never go straight. Please share whatever you hear about that felon in the future. There needs to be an ongoing light shined on that crook.
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SD Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
@Deiss Affiliate ::
In this context :: forcing the use of rotating fronts could be considered a considerable win for justice even though the scams themselves continue unabated. The “false authority celebrity” thing particularly noxious and dangerous scaled to Internet size. Lesser versions won’t work as well … or as easily.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 7:04 pm
@Deiss Affiliate,
You got it half right. Ryan Deiss *is* the front man. Belcher is pulling the strings.
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Dale Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
@Unicorn Army, I bet that dubious arrangement is one that Ryan Deiss will come to regret. If Deiss is greedy and foolish enough to follow Belcher the felon, then he deserves whatever outcome comes with it.
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# 31 July 2010 at 1:29 pm

Uncle Ralph said:
Here’s a press release from the Indian outsource company, “Brainwork Technologies Ltd.” Their click staff must be just thrilled to be working for Deiss, even though it’s unlikely to set him back much more than the cost of one ham sandwich (with cheese) a month.
http://www.free-press-release.com/news-new-perpetual-traffic-formula-for-launched-to-augment-seo-1279259674.html
Gotta love the phrasing in the promo:
“Perpetual Traffic Formula is Ryan Deiss’s latest eye-catching creation, which will be available in the market from July 28, 2010 onwards.”
“Eye-catching creation?”
If that deserves such an accolade, you have to wonder how excited they’d be to discover one of Deiss’ bowel movements.
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# 31 July 2010 at 2:39 pm

SD (author) said:
The sales leaders … according to Ryan’s email to affiliates …
“Good news!
The tweaks we may to the sales page over at:
http://www.perpetualtrafficformula.com/
…have increased conversions by 5X, and the
announcement that we are closing PTF down on
Monday has sales skyrocketing today!
(That’s NUTS…especially when you
consider today is SATURDAY!)
This means that Sunday and Monday will be HUGE
sales days. In fact, if recent launch numbers hold true,
we should do as many units on Monday (the day we close)
as we did on launch day.
In other words, there’s still a lot of commissions to be
earned, and the prizes are far from locked down…
…so if you want to hold your spot you need to mail!
(NOTE: I’ve included brand-new swipe copy at the bottom
of this email if you’re looking for inspiration). :)
Here are your leaders as of NOON today…see if you
made the list:
1. Jeff Johnson (JJ is widening the gap, but Eben has some crazy stuff planned on Monday so he’s far from out of it)
2. Eben Pagan (Eben is scared of motorcycles and even more scared of losing to Johnson, so he’s pushing hard)
3. Amish Shah & Jose Rivera (the tightest race gets even tighter…now they’re just 2 sales behind Eben)
4. Jeff Walker (the video studio is cool, but he needs the Black Rolex!)
5. Frank Kern (Came out of nowhere and is rising fast. Look out leaderboard…Frank’s got juice!)
Now here is where things get a little insane…
6. Trey Smith
6. Keith Baxter
6. Sean Malarkey & Lewis Howes
6. Zach Booker
…are all dead-even. It’ll be interesting to see who separates
themselves from the pack and goes on to challenge Kern in
the #5 spot, as all these guys are just 3 sales behind him!!
But that’s not all. As we go down the leaderboard, we find that…
10. Mike Filsaime
10. Kate Buck
10. Marc Hardgrove
10. Michael Rasmussen
…are all tied as well. And right behind them is the final group of…
14. John Reese
15. Andy Jenkins
17. Brian Horn
18. Bill Mcrea
19. Gary Ambrose
20. Luke Jaten
…who are no more than 2 or 3 sales behind the Filsaime/Buck/Hardgrove/
Rasmussen group.
In other words, this race is still VERY right, and the difference
between a 1 – 10 prize and a 11 – 20 prize could as small as
2 or 3 sales.
But that’s still not all…
And on the outside looking in (with just 3 or 4 sales keeping
them outside of the Top 20 (and out of prize contention) are:
Joel Peterson, Murtaza Yousuf, Emil Paz, Josh Schoenly, Anik
Singal, Jeffrey Wyrick, Skip McGrath, Jeff Vacek, Jeff Schwerdt,
Ed Dale, Joe Cooper, Chris Zavadowski, Mike Long, Ryan Ringold,
SWEAH TIENG TAN”
Funny how the big “prizes” always go to members of the circle jerk. It’s almost like they plan it … hmmm.
Reminds of me of the Garden Gnome enjoying MollyMormon’s hummers :: http://saltydroid.info/russell-brunson-rocks-the-kasbah/
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Cindy Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Wow, that sounds totally manipulative. These “people” had better enjoy their stupid prizes because they won’t be getting a dime (or any respect) from me ever again!
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Wow Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 4:02 pm
@SD, Wow! Please, PLEASE write a separate posting highlighting this email. It reflects–perfectly–everything that is wrong with the IM industry. This reveals what goes on behind the scenes–which many people don’t know–and provides important perspective on the intentions of these guys when they try to manipulate you into buying their friends’ stuff. Shocking but not surprising.
Some of these IM guys are fine because they are pretty genuine, but I have to say this Deiss guy has such a transparently phony demeanor. I’ve never met him but he seems so slimy. I used to subscribe to his email list a while back, but every time I’d read one of his fabricated stories, etc., I first had to laugh, then feel sorry for him, then hit delete, and then want to take a shower. I’m sure he thinks he’s just being a smart … sort of the same way a 5 year old feels when he’s playing soccer and confusingly and aggressively starts kicking the ball down the field in the wrong direction and kicks the ball into his own goal. Everyone except him seems to see the blunder, and he only realizes once it’s too late (when everyone’s laughing at him … sort of like Perry Belcher).
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Martypants Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 5:10 pm
@Wow, you said: “Some of these IM guys are fine because they are pretty genuine”
Ok. Who, and why?
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# 31 July 2010 at 2:46 pm

Guy said:
Man, it really really pisses me off seeing these guru’s take noobs money again and again…When are people going to learn!!!!
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# 31 July 2010 at 3:57 pm

Walter said:
Ryan Deiss is really going overboard sending out nauseatingly-frequent emails to hawk this garbage.
Latest:
—————————————————
Hi, Ryan Deiss here,
Perpetual Traffic Formula is closing!
Click the link below right now:
http://www.perpetualtrafficformula.com/
Class starts on Monday and out of fairness I can’t
let anyone come in late and disturb the flow.
So this weekend will be your last chance.
If you haven’t had time to go through the materials
I strongly urge you to go right now to PTF and catch up.
Read the 7000+ blog posts, grab the free reports
and free software and join me in class on Monday.
Click the link below right now:
http://www.perpetualtrafficformula.com/
See you in class,
Ryan Deiss
—————————————————
What a load of absolute horse shit:
“Class starts on Monday and out of fairness I can’t
let anyone come in late and disturb the flow.”
DISTURB THE FLOW? What flow? The flow of madness? What is there to “disturb?” He’s getting “desperate” lame in the b.s. department.
Greed will do that to you.
All of this is so PATHETICALLY OUTRAGEOUS it is nearly unbelievable.
Let’s hope his credit card processor pulls the plug.
Seriously, this is over the top.
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# 31 July 2010 at 5:03 pm

SD (author) said:
Two discussions about this on “Warrior” Forum … check um out before they get deleted …
http://warriorforum.com/internet-marketing-product-reviews-ratings/242208-perpetual-traffic-formula.html
http://warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/241671-perpetual-traffic-formula-ryan-deiss.html
From user “Ruchi” …
“I read [this post], Ryan Deiss is NOT a scammer, the thing I like about Ryan, is that he’s someone who actually does internet marketing, rather than just teach it, which is my pet peeve in this business that I spoke about here. Ryan’s in niche markets such as forex, muscle gain, if I remember correctly, this is 1 of his sites, 3x Method, while I didn’t fully read the blog post you sent, I saw that they were showing Ryan’s IM product’s alexa rankings as proof, although I’m an SEO girl, if I were in the make money niche, I would NEVER try and go after the keyword organically, it’s just way too hard, whereas, ,my niche affiliate and e-commerce sites is another story.. If this guy really wanted to prove Ryan wrong, he should have investigated his niche sites instead.
Well “Ruchi” … I HAVE examined Ryan’s “niche sites” and found them to be totally scammy … and mostly without traffic of any kind. I’ve also investigated his business practices and affiliations :: talked to his victims :: talked to Ryan :: and spent more than a year keeping my robot eyes on his every move.
You however … it seems … know nothing and have read nothing. Ryan Deiss IS SO a scammer. Deal with it!
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Paul Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Looks like quite a number of people have fallen for this pony show, and are now trying to rationalize their mistake.
One guy actually said:
“Just compare to what high end software such as Photoshop or some 3D rendering program is priced at and it’s not that expensive!”
[Of course! If you compare it to the cost of say, a skyscraper, it seems even LESS expensive.]
Here’s a much more level-headed comment (which generally isn’t tolerated by the look-the-other-way circle jerk moderators on that “forum”):
“Last time I attempted to answer this question, I ran into a group of cheerleaders who were really only trying to cheerlead the product and establish their identity as “groupies.” I caution people that groupie behavior is not good. Allegiance should be merit-based. In fact, it shouldn’t even matter if a marketers is a jerk, as long as s/he delivers the right value for the price.
That being said, nothing short of a “happy ending” from Paris Hilton should cost you $2k. But the marketers in his sphere run off the maxim, “Something is worth what you can get for it.” I guarantee you there’s going to be the usual people who don’t properly qualify themselves and they never get around to asking for a refund for one of however many reasons.
Fish in a barrel, my friend.
If you want the heavy answers to these questions, fire up YouTube and watch a pride of lions stalking a herd of wildebeast.”
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SD Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 6:37 pm
@Paul ::
No way a Paris Hilton hand-job is worth $2k. She’s all like bony and awkward and stuff … there’s probably a high risk for injury. Consult your attorney before getting a high risk hand-job.
Public Service Message ::
If you’re paying more than $150 for hand-jobs … you’re getting scammed. Hand-jobs aren’t about branding … they’re commodity goods … which I’m sure @Bella knows all about from his many “marketing and sales classes”.
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WSO! Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 10:53 pm
I got a handjob from Oprah for 8 hours straight!
I spent countless hours of my precious time (because time is money), going through her agent, talking to her handlers, and finally getting the date with Oprah.
After MONTHS of GRUELING back and forth phone conversation about her book club, gardening, liposuction, and other yes-laddering her over the phone, I finally got her to say yes to my final question, when I said “Oprah, will you jerk me off for 8 hours straight?”
She said yes!
You all knew I wouldn’t leave you in the dark, so here it is, 8 hours filmed on 4 DVD’s, at 2 hours each!
DVD 1 (The Blue DVD): My special technique I’ll show you where I put on a VERY SECRET PLAYLIST of BLUES MUSIC that is proven to prepare her hand muscles!
DVD 2 (The Green DVD): It’s Go Time! In this DVD, she takes off my pants, and her wig! Jerk Jerk in progress! 2 Hours Non-stop!
DVD 3 (The Red DVD): The Red DVD will be your best friend, as you’ll see my advanced law-of-attraction chants and eye-roll-pattern-alpha I use here to AVOID INFLAMMATION in these continued hours 3 and 4 of Oprah jerking me off non-stop
DVD 4 (The White DVD): In the remaining two hours, you’ll see Oprah’s friend enter the picture to give me some MUCH NEEDED ORAL RELIEF until I create the paint I used for these white DVD’s! (hint hint, her friends name rhymes with Jill, but it’s a bald fake doctor!)
I REALLLLLY wanted to share this with you all, but she would be SOOOO mad if she found out. That, and…..
I only had enough “paint” for 10 of the white dvd’s, so that’s all that we’ll be selling, 10 sets!
I could have sold these ONLY to the celebrity elite for a MILLION PER SET and retired, but I wanted to do a good deed to mankind by making it available to EVERYONE.
You better jump on the order button when it goes live, because it’s going for:
Not 1,000,000
Not 500,000
Not EVEN 100,000
Not 50,000
Not 10,000
Not 5,000
Not 1,000 (AM I NUTS?!)
NOT EVEN 500!
The first 10 that order, are getting the 8-hour Oprah Handjob DVD set for..
ONLY $96.85!!!
This WSO will make history! Order page goes live soon!
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handjob enthusiast Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 11:02 am
@SD, No kidding:: You can actually get 2 handjobs for less than $5!
Check it out:: ineedahandjob.com
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SD Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 3:04 pm
@handjob enthusiast ::
That is a useful handjob … so long lasting.
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# 31 July 2010 at 5:30 pm

Frank said:
People also seem to be forgetting that Ryan Deiss loves to BONUS his previous products FREE when he brings out new rubbish. That means there is a good chance that this will be given away for absolutely NOTHING in the future. How will the buyers who purchased today feel when someone gets this exact same overpriced $2,000 “product” for FREE? At least those people will get it for what it’s really worth, nothing.
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Kann Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
@Frank,
It’s called ‘re-purposing’, look it up.
LOSER!! ::   -6
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Frank Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 11:05 pm
@Kann: No, it’s just called regurgitating old crap, Con, look it up.
You must be one of Deiss’ affiliates. Trying desperately to stave off an avalanche of soon-to-be refunds? Not gonna happen, tool.
Smart people ARE going to refund. Big time. Especially when they realize just what kind of steaming pile they’ve swapped an outrageous $2,000 for.
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# 31 July 2010 at 6:38 pm

Roflcopter247 said:
I just saw this… what a poor (and now literally poorer!) guy.
http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/241671-perpetual-traffic-formula-ryan-deiss.html
“So I just bought the Perpetual Traffic Formula from Ryan Deiss…
Does anyone know if this is worth the 2k? I bought it b/c it looked
like a step by step process to SEO, which could probably help act
as a guide to do the right things.
I have a pretty basic understanding of SEO, but I’m really looking
for someone to say… Day 1 – do this, Week 2 – do this… etc…
I’m a little frustrated because he’s only giving access to the content
one week at a time… my guess is to get people to forget about the
guarantee over the course of 6-8 weeks.
Does anyone know if there’s a similar, lower priced product where I don’t
have to wait a couple months to learn everything?”
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# 31 July 2010 at 8:17 pm

Online Yoga said:
I love this blog it makes me laugh and choke at the same time. I spent $97 on a Ryan D product once.
@ Roflcopter247 I would love to link to this blog from the Warrior Fourm post, but it would proably cost me my membership. Anyone else game?
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Monkfish Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 12:00 am
@Online Yoga, Getting away from the “Worrier Forum” would be one of the most productive things that could happen to you, in all seriousness.
(See http://www.warriorforumsucks.com for confirmation)
As you well know, the moderators of WF go out of their way to censor complaints, even when the complaints are entirely justified and even if it means innocent people will get ripped off. When it comes to hiding or deleting comments about questionable activities, the WF does it on a grand scale.
Allen Says and his crony protection club will end up documented here one day, you can bet on that.
Get out of that cesspool now and enjoy the fresh, honest air.
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Roflcopter247 Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 8:40 am
@Online Yoga,
WarriorForum is worthless for actual information. It’s a cesspool where people hawk their lame, regurgitated ebooks onto other unsuspecting members. I go there once in a while for a chuckle.
When I posted information about my experiences about how to get a profitable online business off the ground (*gasp* it requires lots of WORK and not reading WF or buying useless $200 ebooks every week), I was attacked and basically called a moron.
Gee, I’m sorry for telling you guys how a real startup works without charging you $5,000 for the privilege. Go back to making punch-the-money ad banners or something.
If you have to post there *shudder* about the Ryan D. course, my suggestion would be to make an account using a free proxy like hidemyass.com or use TOR and also an ephemeral e-mail system like 10minutemail.com
Remember to clear all your cookies before and after :)
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# 31 July 2010 at 11:39 pm

Ross Jeffries said:
I am shocked and disappointed that my former student, David deAnushole, aka Eben Pagan is only running at SECOND PLACE promoting Deiss and his latest scam.
Eben….are you slowing down in your sociopathic greed?
Dont make me get all cocky-funny on your ass.
RJ
~ Droid edit … not actually RJ … although I’m sure he does try to bang swedish girls … dot com.
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Deiss Affiliate Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
@Ross Jeffries, I would be interested in a Droid beat down on Eben Pagan as well. This guy is probably the worst of worst as he is now framing himself as a personal development guru. The scary part is that he is slick enough to pull it off. It must be stopped.
I have met a bunch of his followers and they display all the symptoms of cult members
His hero is Werner of EST fame who was the biggest snake of them all.
If you (RJ) have good info, it is time to spill it.
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you gotta b kiddin Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
@Ryan Deiss err *cough* I mean “Sam” you’ve gone from pretending to be a customer, to being an affiliate of yourself, to being Ross Jeffries. WTF is wrong with you, son?
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Jeff Rossries Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:47 pm
@Ross Jeffries <— jealous, bitter, old guy who can't get laid… wishes he was Eben making $30 million a year.
Still trying to associate yourself to Eben, but trying to frame it as if you're the superior and just a swell guy. Most normal people would disassociate when ripping a person. Pathetic!!
If you weren't broke and irrelevant, you and your nonsense probably would be featured on this site. :)
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# 1 August 2010 at 1:25 am

Clark said:
Ryan’s pretty darn hypey when it comes to his products, back it his Traffic Summit he’s like “SEO sucks, don’t spend time on free traffic”, now he says PPC sucks, yadayada.
And if Warriorforum doesn’t like his product, it gotta be really bad. Some of these people would buy dog shit rebranded as “IM success paste” and ask for PLR rights.
Still, I usually like what Ryan has to say when it comes to content, so I’ll won’t judge it w/o knowing what’s in it.
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# 2 August 2010 at 6:19 am

Ken said:
Yep Typical circle jerk of scammers, Kern, Pegan, Walker, deiss, belcher, konigs… they are all the same
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# 2 August 2010 at 10:47 am

Lance said:
So people are actually paying TWO THOUSAND dollars for something that is for all practical purposes a generic BROADCAST? It’s not even personalized training! For pete’s sake, you could hire an experienced personal coach for that kind of money. Why would anyone in their right mind shell out that much money for this? Just plain crazy.
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# 2 August 2010 at 1:09 pm

the voice of reason said:
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Hey salty super lib (marxist)–you need to spend less time packing fudge down at the glory hole (or, more likely, having your fudge packed), and keep up on news. Care to comment on Frank Kern’s announcement that he is retiring from teaching IM techniques?
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Maybee Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
@the voice of reason, What’s there to comment on? Frank is just going behind the curtain, and everyone knows it, including you. So why don’t you just comment about it yourself and cut to the chase? Let’s hear it. And while you’re here, what do you think about Ryan Deiss’ latest turd?
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SD Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm
@the voice of reason ::
Oh but I did …
http://saltydroid.info/this-is-relevant-to-my-interests/
… three months ago. A post which you commented on in your usual dignified manner.
quit huffing paint guy … it’s fun now … but eventually you’ll be eating your own poop
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# 2 August 2010 at 2:29 pm

REFUND STAMPEDE said:
Check this out:
Ryan Deiss’ has been using the name “Infomastery” for his “business.” Apparently, someone ELSE owns the domain “Infomastery,” and they were getting hassled with all of Deiss’ REFUND requests. So much so, that they prominently posted this message on the very TOP of their home page:
“If you have credit card charges for “Infomastery” that you want to cancel, please note:
They are from Infomastery, LLC and Ryan Deiss, in Austin, TX, who offer Internet marketing programs like Total Access Club and Driving Traffic and Continuity Blueprint.
You can contact support@drivingtraffic.zendesk.com and this link for support.
They are also connected to Touchstone Publishing LLC, 5700 S Mopac Ste C 315, Austin, TX 78749 and (512) 892-3022.
You will need to contact them to resolve any credit card questions.”
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# 2 August 2010 at 5:41 pm

Ken said:
Check it out. 2 peas in a pod. Now we know that Eben Pagen is right in there with the scum of the earth with the rest of them. He associates with them but then tries to say he is different while he throws them under the buss. What a little weasel they both are. http://www.perpetualtrafficformula.com/blog/12/perpetual-traffic-report/
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# 2 August 2010 at 6:43 pm

Dan said:
The whole entire argument here is that Ryan Deiss is a scammer simply because he sells information that can be found for free online?
Again I ask, how can you possibly know that it can be found for free online? No one knows, the training hasn’t started yet.
(What about SEOBook? They charge $300/m for their service and they are one of those most respected authorities on SEO. Are they scammers too? After all, everything they teach ‘can be found free online’…)
That means that every single one of you here are basing your statements off of, well, nothing.
Aside from screen shots of his Alexa data from his IM products, which is one of the most competitive SEO niches online btw, I see no shred of evidence that he is a scammer.
Considering he has been using video only for his sales letters, the sites are obviously not made for SEO. No sales letters are. Could that be why he is not getting organic search traffic? DUH!!! Clearly those sites aren’t made for SEO)
From those Alexa screen shots, making a conclusion that he doesn’t even use the techniques he teaches is not only uneducated but foolish.
The product could very well be BS. I don’t know, I haven’t seen it. But I won’t bash the guy until I know for sure. Personally, I have purchased 3 of his products in the past, and they have always been top quality and filled with real usable information – information that has definitely added hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to my business per month.
Sorry guys but I won’t be jumping in on this bandwagon until I see something real, and that hasn’t been provided yet.
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Frank Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
@Dan, Take your nose out of Ryan’s ass. What you describe is NOT the whole argument. Try restarting at the top of this page and actually READING SD’s post and the comments that follow.
Ryan Deiss is selling wishful newbies on the concept that ORGANIC TRAFFIC is his “big secret.” And, Ryan is pretending to be an SEO expert when in fact he generates the lion’s share of his business from PAID and AFFILIATE (JV) traffic. NOT organic search engine traffic.
You said:
“The product could very well be BS. I don’t know, I haven’t seen it…”
Yet you aggressively attempt to defend him here anyway, and without fully reading what’s been detailed above. Agenda, perhaps?
Frankly, it doesn’t even matter what form the deliverable of the “product” actually consists of. That is because it is entirely based on and cloaked around a concept that is trivial to, or non-representative of, Ryan’s TRUE business methods.
In other words, it’s just insanely overpriced sucker bait.
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Dan Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 7:56 pm
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@Frank,
Let’s say he makes $100,000/year off an SEO site? does that qualify him to create a product on SEO? I think so….even if it only represents 1/100 of his business.
Do I know if he has a site like that? No. Do you know if he has a site like that? No. Does SD know if he has a site like that? No.
Sure, he might have hyped the product up a bit, I can agree with that. That doesn’t make him a scammer though by any means.
Am I defending him? You bet. Innocent until proven guilty. Not going to say he’s guilty because everyone else says so, until I see verifiable proof.
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Frank Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 8:11 pm
@Dan, You still haven’t read (or just don’t care) about what is really being said here and elswhere.
Ryan Deiss is selling magic pixie dust. And cherries. And “authority codes,” and whatever other conjured up wrappers he can think of to describe something that he wants people to buy into, but which hardly contributes to his own business. That’s important for people to know, and they are not hearing that part.
The fact that he is rehashing free knowledge is incidental, but worth noting when the price is a massive $2,000.
You really need to stop drinking the kool-aid. In the worst possible way. Throwing up repeated knee-jerk defenses in favor of others doesn’t provide any “karmic insulation” from guilt or responsiblility related to your own future activities. Just the opposite.
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Martypants Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 9:53 pm
@Dan, Ok. You used SEOBook as an example. Fair enough – I pay for SEOBook.
I would easily, without hesitation, stack-up the value of SEOBook membership against anything Deiss, or any of these guys sell – anything. Hands down, SEOBook will win, every time.
I say this from the perspective of sitting here tonight, watching Deiss struggle thru his first installment of video training. I am wearing a full body condom, and left my wallet in the car, just to be safe.
I was also in the SEOBook forum today, and I promise you Dan – I am getting my money’s worth, and then some.
From where I am sitting, Deiss has a thinly veiled sales funnel he is looking to populate.
I don’t get that from SEOBook – never. Been there for years, and I don’t have to keep ramping up payments. I talk to pros if I need to, and it is never part of a “Master Cluster Monster” product, or some “Online Catalyst Revolutionary Amazingation” focus group or anything of the sort. Your comparison is unfounded.
It hardly stops there Dan, but I will.
But please trust me, you don’t know what you are talking about.
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Frank Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 10:04 pm
@Martypants, I was just typing a recommendation for SEOBOOK when you made this comment, LOL. Anyway, here’s my comment:
For anyone wondering: “What is a good, reliable alternative to Ryan Deiss’ overpriced Perpetual Traffic Formula?” here is your answer.
Aaron Wall is one of the most solid “go-to” guys for search engine optimization data out there. He’s been doing this for YEARS. He’s sharp, credible, and gives it to you straight. Aaron has a VERY extensive membership site (LOADED with tools and many years worth of info and research) which costs $300 for an entire YEAR. That’s a fraction of the $2,000 Deiss is laughingly charging.
Compare Aaron’s straight-forward, no b.s. information against Ryan’s hooplah, and decide for yourself:
http://www.seobook.com
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Martypants Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 7:20 am
@Frank, Actually Frank, it is $300 a month.
Still – let’s do a 6 month comparison.
You’d save $200 at SEOBook, and have access to MUCH more, with no upsell.
But I agree: If need be, just look at what each of them has offered the world. Compare their selling tactics and history online, side-by-side if you want. Don’t take my word for it – I wouldn’t believe me either.
But I do believe what I am learning in SEOBook – and at $300 a month (which you can quit any time, and it is never a hassle), it is far less than this program and all the suggested add-ons that will be pumped.
http://www.seobook.com
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Unicorn Army Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 10:43 am
@Frank,
$300 for an entire year? No, actually it’s $300 a month. Which you’d know if you actually were a member over there. But thanks for the recommendation.
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Frank Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 12:04 pm
@Unicorn Army, I didn’t say I was a member there, but I know someone who is, and he showed me what he was getting out of it. I was impressed. Even at $300 a month I would say someone would get a LOT more from SEOBOOK in just a few months than they would from Deiss’ entire product, at $2000. So comparatively, SEOBOOK is still a bargain.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
@Frank, I like SEO Book too. ;-) From first hand knowledge. It’s even more of a bargain when compared to second-hand BS.
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the voice of reason Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:49 pm
@Frank,
I agree…I downloaded a site rip (everything in the $300/month archives), and it’s very good…and VERY large.
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Kevin Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:54 pm
Looks like there is pretty good consensus here (and from what I’ve read elsewhere) that SEOBOOK is the way to go if you really want professional SEO training and resources. Thanks all for the heads up.
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SD Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Speaking of SEOBook …
http://www.seobook.com/ryan-deiss-perpetual-traffic-formula-review
I wonder if a link to this post from a PageRank 6 site anchored to “perpetual traffic” will help me in the rankings? I’d ask Ryan … but he don’t know jack shit about SEO.
Ha!

Dale Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Awesome! I like Aaron Wall. He’s one of the good guys.
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advancedNoob Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 1:32 am
@Dan,
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and present the argument to you step-by-step.
“The whole entire argument here is that Ryan Deiss is a scammer simply because he sells information that can be found for free online?”
No Dan. That’s not the whole, or even the beginning of the argument. That’s a mere observation. The problem is not that he sells information found for free, but rather that he misguides people as to what that information actually consists of. For example:
Ryan claims a bulk of his income is from SEO. False. By his own admission, most of his money comes from paid ads and JVs.
Ryan claims that this is ‘top-notch secret information’. This is what he claimed in his free reports. False. This information is available freely on some of the most popular sites including…guess what? Google’s own guidelines and search aids.
Ryan claims that the traffic from the SEs is ‘perpetual’ and free. Yet, in the same breath, he mentions the need of building backlinks and generating activity – both of which are outsourced jobs — again, in his own words.
Now consider that over the last 6 months, Ryan has bashed SEO as useless and waste of time to sell his other products such as – targeting Gmail for PPC ads (again, Google explains this, there are free videos on this, but Ryan claimed this was a ‘secret’ thing), Facebook ad targeting (which was actually a sales pitch to attend his other marketing ‘event’, Video Sales letters, ‘Give me your business so I can steal it for $500′ program (which ironically was a text site with no video sales page). The point is that Ryan has consistently
LIED in this sales letters.
“Again I ask, how can you possibly know that it can be found for free online? No one knows, the training hasn’t started yet.”
There is only ‘so much’ you can learn about a topic. SEO is one of them – it has been exhaustively studied by many different people and there is more than enough information to know what one needs to do. If Ryan exposes some ‘massive secret’. Well, too bad he isn’t using it himself then, right? Because seriously, he cannot show a SINGLE site that is a complete success based entirely on ‘free traffic’ that he paid nothing for.
“(What about SEOBook? They charge $300/m for their service and they are one of those most respected authorities on SEO. Are they scammers too? After all, everything they teach ‘can be found free online’…)”
SEOBook offers a personalized service for $300/m. Not a collection of videos. If Ryan was taking the time to go through each member’s sites, performing SEO on it and giving pointers to the member on what to do, it would be a little more legit. AS it is now, it is a total rip-off.
“That means that every single one of you here are basing your statements off of, well, nothing.”
No Dan. As I’ve shown, we’re basing this conclusion off of a good understanding of Ryan’s history and claims.
“Aside from screen shots of his Alexa data from his IM products, which is one of the most competitive SEO niches online btw, I see no shred of evidence that he is a scammer.”
Yes, why don’t we push that little bit of evidence aside and focus on something else, right? Sure, let’s do that. Name a SINGLE site that Ryan gave as an example himself. None. He has nothing – all of this SEO stuff is content he stole from others anyway since he has no personal experience in it as per his own admission and has claimed multiple times that organic SE traffic is ‘useless’ and a ‘waste of time’.
“Considering he has been using video only for his sales letters, the sites are obviously not made for SEO. No sales letters are. Could that be why he is not getting organic search traffic? DUH!!! Clearly those sites aren’t made for SEO)”
I’ve not held the ranking of sales letters against him. It’s the fact that NONE of his sites are mentioned anywher.
“The product could very well be BS. I don’t know, I haven’t seen it. But I won’t bash the guy until I know for sure. Personally, I have purchased 3 of his products in the past, and they have always been top quality and filled with real usable information – information that has definitely added hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to my business per month.”
Which products are you referring to Dan? The facebook rip off? The gmail ad rip off? The video sales letter rip off? I call them rip offs because instead of pure content each of them contained a FURTHER sales pitch to something else. I can look past that too, but the content was ridiculously bad. You could tell that he had little idea of what exactly to do. It seemed more like he got lucky with 1 campaign and immediately turned it into a product to sell to the ignorant. If the video sales letter works so well, then why didn’t he use it for his ‘give me your business idea’ deal?
“Sorry guys but I won’t be jumping in on this bandwagon until I see something real, and that hasn’t been provided yet.”
If I came to you and said that I’d build you a table for $10,000, you’d be right to ask me:
- What’s your expertise in building tables?
- What are some tables you’ve built before?
- How’s your table superior enough to justify the above-norm price?
Let’s say my answers were:
- I’m a super-expert – look, all the people I’m paying to say so, say so.
- I’ve built tens of tables, but I won’t show and can’t show you any of them.
- They just are, okay?! I said so!
Further, you find evidence of me having stated only recently that building tables was useless and stupid, as well as a waste of time. That I never build tables because there are other things I could be doing and I’ve never had much success with building a solid table…
Would you consider my ‘build-a-table-for-$10k’ service a scam or an innocent endeavor? If you consider it innocent, send me a $10k check – I’ll send you a custom made table by the end of the week.
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Frank Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:57 am
@advancedNoob, Very detailed and well put. Standing ovation.
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Martypants Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 7:26 am
@advancedNoob, Woo-hoo! Put that in your Perpetual Traffic-loving piehole. Well stated!
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# 2 August 2010 at 7:25 pm

RunBrunsonRun said:
Two questions:
1. If Dice is such an SEO expert, why isn’t he ranked number one for “perpetual traffic formula”?
2. If Dice thinks PPC is dead, why is he paying Google to advertise on the term “perpetual traffic formula”?
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norocketscience Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 10:09 am
@RunBrunsonRun,
1. New launch.
2. It’s faster.
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# 2 August 2010 at 8:32 pm

.nate said:
Hi again.
I thought it might be worth pointing out at this point (with all these fab comment subscribers now) that Deiss and Belcher are the reason Droid calls “.info” home.
See: http://saltydroid.info/deiss-and-belchers-big-mistake/
Also, there was a fairly comprehensive list of Deiss “money sites” listed in the comments section of that post. So perhaps someone with the time could poke these with the Salty-stick.
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Zamfir Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Here’s a more up to date list of Deiss sites:
http://saltydroid.info/patsyboys-info-masturbation/#comment-15587
Don’t forget to include “myideahatchery.com” where Ryan features a big (unauthorized?) pic of Oprah and says he’s “planning to take a back seat, like Oprah.”
Oh, and then there’s “webuysites.com.” (“We buy sites even if they don’t make money!”)
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.nate Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 9:53 pm
@Zamfir, Nice! I never saw that comment.
And I like the question mark you put after “unauthorized”. Made me laugh really hard.
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# 2 August 2010 at 9:27 pm

Sam said:
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I purchased Perpetual Traffic Formula, Ryan Deiss is genuine in my opinion.
If he was a scammer he wouldn’t appear on video in person, think about it.
I know there are other courses which teach SEO, but Ryan is providing special software which his team created which will get our sites onto page 1 eventually if we are patient, as long as we avoid the difficult keywords/markets like insurance, forex etc
Surely the software alone makes the $1997 price worth it, it must have cost him and his team a fortune to produce.
I am confident Ryan will deliver, my goal is to have 50 sites on Google Page 1 in a few weeks making an average of $100/day each, so I will earn $5,000/day.
I have no SEO experience but I believe Ryan will show me the way.
Sam
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Jake Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 12:18 am
@Sam:
1. You’ve never seen a scammer on video before? Check YouTube & come back.
2. Deiss’ “software” is VERY simplistic compared to the many mature, commercially-available programs that do much more and cost FAR less. Most cost no more than $100. NO WAY is Deiss’ slapped-together toyware worth $2000. No way.
3. SEOBOOK.COM is “THE” big daddy of all SEO information and knowlege resources. It’s been around much longer (YEARS) and is WAY MORE RESPECTED by the real pros. Price? $300 a YEAR for massively excellent real-world content. That’s a FRACTION of Deiss’ $2,000.
4. “50 sites on page 1 of google in a few weeks?” Did you get a free bottle of rum when you “purchased” Perpetual Traffic Formula? Save some for later when you get your credit card statement!
5. Are you FOR REAL?
6. Go back to number 5 and confirm.
7. Refund is your lucky word. Say it now and win $2,000!
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Kev Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 3:14 am
@Jake,
3) SEO book is actually $300 per month, not per year. But I agree a 300 spend there is certainly better than Perpetual Traffic Bullshit.
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Caligula Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 4:04 am
@Sam,
You must be taking the piss. Can anyone believe they will get 50 sites on
google page 1 in a few weeks and make 5 grand a day?
holy fuck, I gotta a bridge to sell ya, all for you!
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.nate Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 7:00 am
@Sam, you do realize you’re talking about making in excess of $1.8 million per year starting in… I don’t know, 90 days from now was it?
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clarity Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:13 am
Can it get any more obvious that without fail, almost every single dingbat featured on this blog either comes online to create fake comments or has someone do it for them? ROTFLAO! Seriously, you guys need some acting lessons bad!! lol lol At least Scientology has enough sense to actually hire world-class actors to help induct people; Tom Cruise and John Travolta act like they’re “drinkin’ the kool-aid”.
Seriously, after shelling out $2,000 what customer you know cares about all the hard work that went into building a “perpetual traffic” formula and really thinks he’s going to make $1.8 million/yr within 90 days ??? You really have no clue what a person thinks after shelling out $2,000 on you, do you? LMAO!! Ya just had to make sure to put in that you worked hard in creating your frauduct didn’t ya ? Dumbass, try something new and fake it a little better, cause you’re getting ridiculously corny and boring.
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Walter Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Which of Ryan’s or his fanboy’s socks is Sam the Sock Puppet? That won’t win any acting awards, but it was hilarious. “Clarity” nailed it.
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# 2 August 2010 at 10:42 pm

Dan said:
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Hmmm…
I missed the sales pitch for PTF. Was it pitched as a magic pill that you can take that will solve all your SEO problems instantly overnight?
Was there any specific claims?
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bob Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 1:00 am
@Dan, Are you working on commission? You might be more successful just wearing a bandana over your face and saying, “Everybody here, put your hands in the air!” (And maybe you can give “Sam,” above, a ride to the next meetup at Lefty’s.) So…what character comes in next?
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# 3 August 2010 at 12:39 am

Refund Help said:
If anyone needs help getting a refund, here is the email where you should send your refund demand. Don’t let the DEADLINE pass you by. Stay on top of it!
You can also call your credit card company and request a CHARGEBACK if you don’t promptly receive your entitled refund.
Email to demand a refund:
support@drivingtraffic.zendesk.com
Don’t put it off! $2,000 is a LOT of money!
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# 3 August 2010 at 1:13 am

Sam said:
I am real, I just don’t understand why this blog is saying Ryan Deiss is a scammer when he shows all the signs of someone who is genuine.
Even if he is overcharging, or selling a crappy product that doesn’t make him a scammer. The quality or value of a product, is entirely subjective.
Also, if he was a scammer why is he offering a 60 day money back guarantee?
If it was a scam, everyone would refund it and he would make no money.
Ryan has repeatedly said our sites will be in the TOP 3 on page 1 in 6-7 weeks, which is before the refund period ends.
Yes my dream is to have 50 sites making $100/day each, but if I only manage 10% success I will be making $500/day.
If it doesn’t work, and none of my sites do get onto page 1 in 6-7 weeks as Ryan Deiss has promised I will be the first one to refund and come on here and let you know it doesn’t work and Ryan is full of crap.
$1997 is a lot of money to me.
I just went through Module 1 which was interesting, quite obvious stuff so far like researching the competition on the keywords but I believe the meaty stuff will come in the later weeks.
I don’t really care if it is obvious stuff, as long as it works.
Sam
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advancedNoob Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:36 am
@Sam,
You know, in all honesty, despite Ryan’s scamming ways, there are people like you who will take the stuff you learn from him, apply it, test it, put a lot of effort into it, and make some money.
However, the point is that you could’ve made that money WITHOUT ever spending a single dime with Ryan Deiss. He is fake and does NOT do SEO himself…in fact, he’s stated multiple times that SEO is useless and not worth doing.
The problem is that after all your efforts, when you do make some money, you’ll turn around and credit Deiss with helping you make money, and he’ll use that testimonial in his next frauduct launch. This, is the unfortunate cycle of how these scammers keep making money over and over.
Regarding your other questions:
- Why does he offer a 60 day guarantee – because he understands that it’s a great ‘motivator’ to get someone to buy. You do realize the entire course is timed over a few weeks? Bet you anything some people won’t be able to get their refunds.
“Ryan has repeatedly said our sites will be in the TOP 3 on page 1 in 6-7 weeks, which is before the refund period ends.”
Please pay attention – that’s 6-7 weeks from the day you’ve finished your site, which won’t happen until the 3rd-4th week into the program. And guess what, ANYONE can help you get into the top 3 for the right keywords — typically the information is FREE. Heck, I’ve hired a person to work full time with me on generating backlinks and content and I pay less than a quarter of this Deiss product for all the work!
“If it doesn’t work, and none of my sites do get onto page 1 in 6-7 weeks as Ryan Deiss has promised I will be the first one to refund and come on here and let you know it doesn’t work and Ryan is full of crap.”
You have the right way to look at it, but my problem is that you CAN achieve those results without paying that money to the faker.
“$1997 is a lot of money to me.
I just went through Module 1 which was interesting, quite obvious stuff so far like researching the competition on the keywords but I believe the meaty stuff will come in the later weeks.”
Sorry, but there’s nothing meatier than that. Here’s some videos for you (free of course):
http://copynprofit.com/greatniche/
http://copynprofit3.com/wordpress/
SEO:
http://copynprofit3.com/SEOWP/SEOWP.html
This is all from the same marketer who called out Deiss’ scam. Send me $2k for hooking you up, k?
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you gotta b kiddin Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:49 pm
@advancedNoob, copynprofit is as scammy as Ryan Deiss.
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you gotta be kiddin Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 10:54 am
@advancedNoob, dude stop trying to promote your lame scam sites. You’re like 8283823 Billion years BEHIND the times with your “exposing Ryan Deiss” scheme. You’re rehashing old news and trying to get people from this site to go on your scam pages.
An ignore feature right about now would be wonderful. *sigh*
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advancedNoob Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 11:48 am
@you gotta be kiddin,
That’s not my site, and I don’t care if anyone buys anything there. In fact, I suggest that you NOT buy anything there, k?
My point is that EVEN OTHER IMers (being the breed that they are) are calling this a scam – that should say quite a bit about how messed up this is. The fact that EVEN OTHER IMers consider this the most basic of info not even worth charging for.
I only use this guy as an example because I find his emails somewhat valuable.
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clarity Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:38 pm
@Sam, dude it’s so obvious you’re an IM guy, NOBODY on this comment board ever signs their name at the end. ;)
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Anthony Mahavick Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:57 pm
@Sam,
Ryan spreads his course out over what… 12 weeks?
The first few weeks are all “basics” and “fundamentals” right?
So you won’t put anything into action until week four or five or six. That leaves you with just a couple of weeks to actually test what he’s teaching before the refund deadline hits.
That’s the reason he stretches the course over several weeks: it sucks you into sticking beyond the refund date.
As to ->why<- he offers a refund:
All he cares about is how many people end up paying. If offering a refund generates 3x as many sales, and 2x as many refunds, he ends up with more profit.
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# 3 August 2010 at 9:15 am

Tony said:
“Sam” said:
“I am real, I just don’t understand why this blog is saying Ryan Deiss is a scammer when he shows all the signs of someone who is genuine.”
“All the signs?” Interesting that you are capable of using some criteria to assess someone’s “genuineness,” and yet, when provided with ample criteria for doubt, you throw up your hands like an infant and shift to ineptitude. How utterly unbelievable.
You are not who you pretend to be, “Sam.” You are pretending to be exactly what Deiss and gang probably imagine their typical customer to be: not very smart, but capable of giving them money.
You’ve come here with only one purpose. And that is to give some phoney reassurance to the suckers who bought this, so they will not ask for their money back until it is too late. Actual buyers should feel insulted by this ploy, and they should immediately ask for a refund.
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# 3 August 2010 at 12:54 pm

Sam said:
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Tony, I don’t have any hidden agenda – I am simply a customer.
Ryan Deiss is a multi millionaire, he doesn’t need the money from this launch, he is just helping people get their sites onto Page 1.
This site might have upset Perry Belcher, but Ryan Deiss will NOT be beaten.
Eat this: RYAN DEISS WILL NOT BE BEATEN, TASTE IT AND EAT THAT
HE IS RICH U ARE ALL POOR HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Carol Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 1:38 pm
This blog is not a substitute for your meds.
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you gotta b kiddin Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:54 pm
WOWZA !! Are we seeing an evil scammer on the brink of losing it?? :) yummy yummy delicious
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# 3 August 2010 at 1:09 pm

Cory Crabb said:
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wow this is Craziness, shame on you for trying to make Ryan Deiss look like a scamer very pathetic way to try and get some FREE traffic yourself almost ironic. Don’t hate on the man because hes got a good system and a lot of value and knowledge to give to others. Instead of spending your time on hate and anger be the better man if you really think you have anything to offer but negative controversy. This is just another unhappy person with another unhappy person scenario that I just happened across and am annoyed such bullshit at best.
Our Masterminds Group
Cory Crabb
LOSER!! ::   -11
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bob Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 1:59 pm
@Cory Crabb, And your specific counter-arguments are…? (Thought so.)
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you gotta b kiddin Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:55 pm
@Cory Crabb, is that you Belcher with no hair ?
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Caligula Reply:
August 8th, 2010 at 4:11 am
@Cory Crabb,
I’m sorry Cory. I had no idea you was sucking Ryan’s dick.
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# 3 August 2010 at 1:56 pm

Sam said:
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Okay I have decided to come clean, I confess I am an affiliate of Ryan Deiss, look I am just sick and bloody tired of shitty blogs like this one causing refunds then the small affiliates like me get hardly anything as we only make a handful of sales and then half or more of them end up getting refunded and we don’t get paid for the refunded sales.
Don’t you realize you are not harming Ryan Deiss who has millions, but the innocent small affiliates like me who work our butt off just to make a few sales of these higher priced courses then pathetic sites like this one with nothing better to do make loads of people refund.
When we only have 3 or 4 affiliate sales we can’t afford refunds, thanks to you guys on here I might only get paid for 1 or none now if too many people read this blog and refund.
You leave people like me with no choice but to go to extraordinary lengths to defend our affiliate sales, like pretending to be customers so you are doing more harm than good with your nonsense.
Close this crappy site down now, and start doing something more constructive you losers, stop pissing people off.
What the bloody hell is the point of this site anyway?
It doesn’t sell anything so is just a waste of time.
You are ruining peoples income, sites like this should be banned.
Sam
LOSER!! ::   -6
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you gotta b kiddin Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 3:18 pm
@Sam, lol dude you have gone from ridiculous to pathetic to just plain psycho. Give up already. Nobody believes you anymore. Must be a lonely place in the world where absolutely NOBODY believes you anymore. Not even yourself.
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bob Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 3:20 pm
@Sam, You left out the part about the innocent CUSTOMERS at the very bottom of the greasy chain. THEY are who this blog is for.
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you gotta b kiddin Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 3:27 pm
@bob, “Sam” is an IM dingbat who is desperately trying to come up with any persuasion tactic to make himself appear other than what he is, a scammer. The very fact that “Sam” had a psychotic break down at his computer on this very blog is quite satisfying to me. I have laughed tears today and have shaken my head at the psychosis displayed. The guy obviously is losing it, pretending to be a customer or an affiliate or whatever he claims to be now. Stupidity and ripping people off don’t mix well.
It takes real skill to develop the powers of reason, which is something severely lacking in the IM world. They’re all focusing on working the emotions, thus you have the emotional outburst displayed.
Give it up Deiss, your ass is being handed to you on a silver platter, deal with it and stop whining you little sissy. lol
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ThinkAboutIt Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
@Sam,
Why not promote a product that doesn’t produce refunds regardless of what is said here?
I sell products myself, but refuse to whore my list out for a commission and to betray the trust of the people that have bought products from me in the past or look to me for my honest opinion, and I don’t give a fuck how much the commission is.
I thought about promoting this until i saw the price tag. If it had been $97 or even $197 I would have probably recommended it to the newer people that didn’t have much experience or needed some direction with regards to SEO, but after seeing some of the things that others were saying about his own sites and how he gets traffic himself, and then seeing the price tag. NO FUCKING WAY.
You’ll make more money and be much happier with yourself if you promote things that you really believe will deliver value instead of promoting something just because it will pay you $1,000 as a commission.
The moral of the story is, don’t sell your list out for a product that you don’t have 100% confidence in and you don’t have to worry about refund or looking like an asshole later on.
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RunBrunsonRun Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:28 pm
@Sam, if you aren’t happy with the situation, why don’t you sell something that you isn’t ripping people off. I guarantee that less people will ask for refunds if you are actually helping them.
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Ultra Valerian Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:02 pm
@Sam, For fuck’s sake, why don’t you try to sell something real instead of trying to ride Ryan’s slimy coattails to your own BMW and McMansion?
Your opposition to truth and free speech is both appalling and laughable.
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# 3 August 2010 at 3:14 pm

Hunter said:
I would not go as far as calling Ryan a scammer. He is providing a product (even if its actual value is about $20). Is it wrong to take advantage of the stupid, the greedy, the down on their luck looking for a miracle people of this world? I don’t know. Personally, I couldn’t do what Ryan is doing to people, but Ryan is no different than the bulk of the IM guys these days. They all keep pitching the same recycled garbage to the same old suckers.
I will be releasing my new site soon where myself and a few of my friends will be buying every program released and then writing comprehensive reviews. We will be implementing every step of the programs and letting people know if they will make money or not. Hopefully, if people start seeing a pattern of products from the same people that don’t work, they will stop buying from those people.
The fact is that 9 out of 10 programs, even if followed exactly as shown, have no chance of making money or recovering the initial investment of the product/course. I believe that this is something that needs to be changed and exposed.
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Lance Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 6:53 pm
@Hunter, You said it: “…even if its actual value is about $20.” Even that may be an optimistic figure.
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# 3 August 2010 at 3:21 pm

Raymond said:
For anyone who was an affiliate for this, here is something to think about:
You have just given Ryan Deiss your mailing list for FREE.
That’s because all the people you sent to visit his site for information about this (regardless of whether they bought or not) have signed up to be on his list. That means he now owns your list. And it didn’t cost him one cent. What a deal (for him)!
It also means he doesn’t need you any more. He can mail your people in the future!
I won’t get into the moral or ethical aspects of this particular ‘product’ other than to say I think it is junk. Even if you disagree with that, you have still just liquidated your own mailing list. Think about what that will cost you in the long run.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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# 3 August 2010 at 3:32 pm

Sam said:
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Ryan Deiss is really rich
And you are really jealous
You don’t make any money
So you want to try and tell us
That Ryan is a scammer
But you haven’t got a clue
You know you are all losers
And don’t know what to do
You tried at internet marketing
And you feel it isn’t fair
Well tough shit you losers
Ryan Deiss is a multi-millionaire! (and you are all POOR!)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
Ryan Deiss = MULTI MILLIONAIRE, BIG HOUSES, NICE CARS
Perry Belcher = MULTI MILLIONAIRE, BIG HOUSES, NICE CARS
YOU = NOTHING/DEBT, CRAP LIFE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOSER!! ::   -9
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RJ Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:13 pm
@Sam, You’re drooling on your keyboard again. Run along.
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RunBrunsonRun Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:31 pm
@Sam, actually:
Perry Belcher = Convicted Felon, House and Cars Confiscated
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Anthony Mahavick Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 6:02 pm
@Sam,
Perry Belcher has NOTHING. Because the government took it ALL!
Face reality: You have been following false gods!
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Caligula Reply:
August 8th, 2010 at 4:16 am
@Sam,
Wow you’re a pathetic loser
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# 3 August 2010 at 4:57 pm

_cartman_ said:
to Sam and Dan…enfuckingjoy
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Yo4tN2MiM
WINNER!! ::   +16
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Doug Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm
@_cartman_, WOW!
RYAN DEISS HAS BEEN –>> BUSTED <<– !!!!!
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SD Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 6:23 pm
@_cartman_ ::
ha! oops.
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James Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Here’s the text of what Ryan Deiss said in the above video:
“If you want FREE traffic (and there is really no such thing)…you have to get good at the cut-throat game of SEO (which I’m NOT)…or take a chance on hiring an “expert” (and I have fallen into that booby trap not once, not twice but three times, and I’ve been ripped off every single time!)”
That’s right. Ryan Deiss said:
- There is NO SUCH THING as FREE traffic
And he admitted:
- He is NOT GOOD at SEO.
That pretty much sums it all up.
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ThinkAboutIt Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 7:03 pm
@_cartman_,
That is going to fucking hurt.
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SD Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
@_cartman_ ::
add some more tags and a description to the vid … SEO FTW!
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 11th, 2010 at 10:51 am
@SD,
Well…you guys did it….pushed it from page 3 position 20ish to page 1 position 10 for the term “ryan deiss” (without quotes)..page 1 position 6 for “perpetual traffic formula” (without quotes)
[titanicing] We’re on top of the squirrel! [/titanicing] (weird line for a movie)
78.284% of views came from embedded players….21 sites embedded the video and got at least one view….top 3 sites for views being
SEObook
Saltydroid
david-eisner
top three geolocations being
US 2.7
Cambodia 2.6
United Kingdom 1.8
total views (to Aug10, 2010) 1096
unique users 916
Now if only youtube would provide thumbnail load stats…I’d be so fucking happy….
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# 3 August 2010 at 6:03 pm

RunBrunsonRun said:
Here’s a couple of the PAID banner ads that Dice Boy is using to drive traffic to his site:
http://img204.imageshack.us/i/deiss300x250.jpg/
http://img651.imageshack.us/i/deiss728x90.gif/
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bob Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:18 pm
@RunBrunsonRun, Yeah, those don’t look like free “perpetual traffic” sources. You know, the magic stuff that he advocates for “everyone else.”
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RunBrunsonRun Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:26 pm
@bob, and he’s still sending PAID traffic to his site although he’s no longer taking orders. He’s so stupid it makes my teeth hurt.
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bob Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:37 pm
@RunBrunsonRun, Yeah, but he’s still collecting email addresses, even from his affiliates’ links and posts (think how dumb an affiliate has to be to allow that!).
Maybe his next product will be called, “SEO SUCKS.” Better set aside $2,000 for that.
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# 3 August 2010 at 7:27 pm
Deiss' Perpetual Traffic Circus - Black Hat Forum Black Hat SEO said:
[...] Re: Deiss' Perpetual Traffic Circus Heres some interesting stuff about ryan not using his own techniques lol http://saltydroid.info/ryan-deiss-pe…ffic-accident/ [...]
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# 3 August 2010 at 7:33 pm

Cory Crabb said:
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That video doesn’t mean anything and blah blah you guys can go on and on about this stuff trying to get some of your own free traffic lol. Way to go!
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Dale Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:36 pm
@Cory Crabb, Let me guess, you are also “Sam.” Did I miss anyone else?
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SD Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
@Cory Crabb ::
You’re lost and confused Cory Crabb.
I actually have free traffic … loads and loads of it … more than punk ass Ryan could ever hope to attain.
The video does mean something … it means that Ryan will say whatever :: whenever :: because it’s only about money in his wallet .. fuck everyone else.
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:59 pm
@Cory Crabb,
Not to you butt….to those for whom it is meant, it means what it means….no more, no less
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ThinkAboutIt Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 11:20 am
@Cory Crabb,
Are you retarded? The video shows Ryan saying he isn’t good at SEO, yet he is selling a $2,000 SEO course. What fucking world do you live in where that is right?
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# 3 August 2010 at 8:31 pm

the voice of reason said:
I just ripped Deiss’ Perpetual Traffic Whatever course (it was available about 3 hours after the doors opened–I just didn’t feel the need to rush to rip it). Yeah…it’s absolute crap, everyone. If this clown doesn’t get flooded with at least 80% refunds, then people truly do have shit for brains in their complacent mush filled heads.
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Higgins Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:03 pm
If VOR says it is crap, you can BELIEVE it is crap!
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# 3 August 2010 at 8:52 pm

Ninja Spider said:
Hi People, why you should pay for $2,000.? Ryan never show his actual keywords or keywords phrase ranking well in google. You shoul learn from other guru that doing what his teaching and show the REAL example as proven they able to rank for competitive keywords.
Secondly, why you should pour the money to the billioner like him and sell his product soooooo…. expensive?
Do you know that NOW you can get all GURU product for free? There are thousand people almost get every single GURU new products launced for FREE?
Don’t believe me? Go to blackhat forum(the biggest one), just search what you want. If you can’t find it, just REQUEST it and Expert Hacker will find for you………..
But most important don’t download it for collecting the dust in your shelf.
Stick one, put in practice and make money
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RJ Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Exactly right. Why can’t Deiss show a bunch of examples of what he himself has actually done using SEO? I think we all know the answer to that…
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# 3 August 2010 at 9:12 pm

SD (author) said:
@Sam ::
Thanks for leaving that sequence of comments! It was truly bizarre.
When you come in and pretend to be a happy/stupid customer … you’re supposed to use a proxy server. Silly Goose! And you can’t later confess that you were posing disingenuously because you have a financial interest. Fucking nut job! That’s a crime in a lot of places you know? And in case you were too stupid to notice … I’m particularly unenthusiastic toward people who would abuse my open commenting policy for flagrant deception.
Wouldn’t it be funny if I printed your IP address? Like this ….
88.106.60.37
Maybe some of my secret friends out there could scan their own comment logs and look for a match. And who knows … maybe someone will whisper your name to me. Wouldn’t that just be so funny “Sam”?
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# 3 August 2010 at 10:16 pm

Sam said:
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Why would I use a proxy?
I rarely post on forums (especially places like this site) – one or two of you probably already know but I was toying with you guys and most of you took the bait.
If you read through my posts carefully, in hindsight you’ll see it is pretty obvious I’m a troll trying to get a response for my own entertainment.
I have to admit I got a good laugh out of it so I got my desired result!
You should try it sometime, go into a forum and do some troll posts and see how many people fall for the bait, it is comedy gold when you pull it off – you feel incredible :)
I’m a 100% troll – if I did have an agenda I would have used a proxy, no point when you are toying.
What is surprising Salty Droid, is you couldn’t figure out I was a troll (and neither could most of the regulars on here)
When my first couple of posts weren’t deleted I knew I was in for a troll of a time.
I think your robot computer chip needs updating to detect trolls :)
Anyway, it was fun while it lasted – I’m outta here.
Sam (Troll poster)
P.S. Entertaining site by the way Salty, you must have many enemies but this site is one of a kind! Your catchy writing style is genius.
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Larry Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 11:50 pm
@Sam, One way or another, you are a whack job. Still, it was highly amusing that this blog kept you idling without monetary reward for long as it did. Don’t forget to pick up your free balloon when the van comes to take you back to the asylum.
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Sam Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 12:04 am
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@Larry, I don’t do troll postings as much as I used to, this was the first time in about 6 months.
I used to do troll postings every day when my girlfriend dumped me a few years ago for another guy, to get rid of the pain.
The last time I did it, I went onto a popular forum and started a thread saying I had purchased the forum site and was the new site owner.
Incredibly, everyone believed me including the forum regulars!
I told them I would be making many drastic changes to the forum, and banning all advertising and many advertisers responded to the thread pleading with me not to do so lol.
I got banned the next day when the mods caught up with me, but it was hilarious.
You don’t know what you’re missing unless you try it, the reality is you don’t harm anyone when you become a temporary troll poster and most forums need to lighten up anyway. So everyone is a winner.
Sam
LOSER!! ::   -4
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SD Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 12:34 am
@Sam ::
“I’m a troll” … that’s your defense?
Of course you’re a troll. And if I find out who you are :: troll :: and you have sold for Ryan … then we’re going to see what’s what.
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# 3 August 2010 at 11:38 pm

Dave said:
Was checking out one of the hot stories of the day where a guy photo-chopped a bunch of World War II images onto photos of today (The Ghosts of World War II’s Past), places like Prague, Berlin, and Vienna and who should grace the side of the page but a smiling Ryan frauduct Deiss…4 times in succession no less. The site is http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/the-ghosts-of-world-war-iis if you want to check out the photos.
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SD Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 12:09 am
@Dave ::
those photos are cool/creepy
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# 3 August 2010 at 11:57 pm

Dave said:
@sam actually the only one who knew that you were lying was you and those people that you told (if any).
A troll is a liar, and it’s actually very easy to be a liar and a deceiver. So there is no “comedy gold” in lying, since there is no real effort, you simply state opposite opinions of those that you are lying to.
The only way that it would be obvious to anyone but yourself that you were lying, is if the opinions that you stated were obvious exaggerations. Since this blog exists to shed light on the con men referred to as internet marketing gurus among other con men that are scamming many unsuspecting and trusting individuals, the opinions you fraudulently expressed here can not be considered obvious exaggerations since they are the very beliefs of those people whom this blog exists to enlighten.
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# 4 August 2010 at 12:41 am

Mr. Anderson said:
I came here after searching for Ryan Deiss because I took the Ed Dale challenge and part of the “free” course material emailed out by Dale and his crew contains sales letters for Ryan Deiss and this perpetual traffic crap.
Is there no escape from Deiss?
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bob Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
@Mr. Anderson, Actually, there IS an escape from Ryan Deiss. You just have to UNSUBSCRIBE from all the biased, money-grubbing affiliates who promote him. And, spread the word.
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# 4 August 2010 at 12:53 pm

LIST OF SHAME said:
Here’s a partial list of people who hyped this up in order to make a fast buck off of you. Take a good look at each of the names on this list of shame. Be sure to let these “people” know how you feel about them shoving this down your throat in order to get to your wallet.
Amish Shah
Andy Jenkins
Anik Singal
Bill Mcrea
Brian Horn
Chris Zavadowski
Eben Pagan
Ed Dale
Emil Paz
Frank Kern
Gary Ambrose
Jeff Johnson
Jeff Schwerdt
Jeff Vacek
Jeffrey Wyrick
Joe Cooper
Joel Peterson
John Reese
Jose Rivera
Josh Schoenly
Kate Buck
Keith Baxter
Lewis Howes
Luke Jaten
Marc Hardgrove
Michael Rasmussen
Mike Filsaime
Mike Long
Murtaza Yousuf
Ryan Ringold
Sean Malarkey
Skip McGrath
Sweah Tieng Tan
Trey Smith
Zach Booker
WINNER!! ::   +13
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Chad Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 9:18 am
@LIST OF SHAME,
+ Yanik Silver
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# 4 August 2010 at 1:50 pm

Phil said:
Question: If 80% (or more) of the people who fell for this demand a REFUND like has been predicted above, won’t Ryan Deiss’ credit card processor hit the roof? Wouldn’t such an alarming statistic trigger major alarm bells?
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ThinkAboutIt Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
@Phil, The “drip fed” content will keep people from refunding right away. So, it won’t be a big stampede and will more than likely go unnoticed.
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Phil Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
@ThinkAboutIt, That’s just sad. Too bad those customers don’t realize how this is being played out to make their ability to get a refund more limited. I guess some will realize it only after it is too late.
On the other hand, if there is misrepresentation, I would think that would void any “refund period” limitation, or at least extend it. I know in that instance I would seek a refund no matter what. Surely calling one’s credit card company and informing them that something was “not as represented” would be sufficient cause to get your money back.
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ThinkAboutIt Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
@Phil,
That is the thing though. I’m not sure that he really misrepresented anything (other than his experience) as far as the product goes. I havn’t seen the product, but from reading the sales letter, it reads like it is aimed at newbs because it doesn’t really promise anything earth shattering in the way of information, from what I saw.
The video posted here was the nail in the coffin for me though. There just isn’t any way at all to make that anything other than what it is, which is basically Ryan saying whatever he has to say to sell a product, even at the expense of out right lying.
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Phil Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
@ThinkAboutIt, Experience is certainly a deciding factor in a purchase, particularly a high priced one.
Fortunately, the FTC now evaluates not only specific representations, but also context, and the overall likely interpretation and expectations of buyers in determining misrepresentation.
That video, in all its unglory, certainly does him no favors whatsoever.
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.nate Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
@Phil, @ThinkAboutIt,
This is one thing they never teach you, haha.
When you’re in a “high risk” market, meaning high risk of incurring refunds, chargebacks and the like, there are ways around having them freeze your accounts and ability to accept payment online.
Many people use multiple merchant accounts and cycle through them. A lot of people use guarantees so they can issue the refund by other means. If your merchant account only allows for 30-60 days for a refund, you just set your guarantee past that point to “be forced to send them a check for the refund amount”. Or, sometimes it doesn’t matter and it comes by check anyways if they’re getting dangerously close to exhausting their merchant accounts refund limits.
ThinkAboutIt is correct that the content drip is a means to aid in this process. They can spread out the refunds easier as they come in.
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# 4 August 2010 at 2:39 pm

gap said:
Uh, yeah, I saw that nonsense in my inbox. Utter BULLSHIT!
Worse yet is that he sends out numerous emails a day updating the status of the thing (those poor people who don’t know any better – may they find your blog). So anyway I did a block-sender and then sat back in utter amazement while my inbox spam went from 100% BULLSHIT down to 05%.
On another note. I need someplace to vent. Seriously, I’m about to scream. A good friend of mine recently attempted to get me to watch the secret. I sat through 15 minutes of it, developed heartburn, and then excused myself and drove home. I had to give myself a pep talk to keep from having an anxiety attack. No joke.
Now she’s just, most recently, attended Tony Robbins. And wouldn’t you know, now Frank Kern is in the mix.
I guess it’s time for me and my friend to have “The Talk”
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Rafael Marquez Reply:
August 4th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
@gap, I feel for you and your friend. If they’ve already committed that much time and effort, you’re going to have a hard time helping your friend.
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# 4 August 2010 at 6:03 pm

Hewent Thataway said:
Let’s all give a shout-out to that zero-integrity convicted felon and liar-by-reflex, Perry M. Belcher*, who is still a major behind-the-scenes player in Ryan Deiss’ den of endless bullshit. (*AKA “Evil Jowls.”)
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# 4 August 2010 at 6:33 pm

Smitty said:
Condition (6) of Perry Belcher’s probation terms with NINE years to go:
“Mr. Belcher must also abstain from coaching, training or providing educational programs that encourage others to engage in false or misleading marketing or sales tactics. If Mr. Belcher engages in these activities and later discovers that the person or business is engaging in false or misleading marketing or sales tactics, he must report the false or misleading activities to his probation officer and cooperate with law enforcement to curtail or eliminate those activities.”
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# 4 August 2010 at 11:51 pm

Ninja Spider said:
SEO is not talk $**!# but PROOF. I also don’t believe any income proof image that always plastered everywhere in GURU sales letter. It’s easy to photoshop and to make up with our latest technology.
The ONLY guru I trust most if they are not afraid to show as a proof, they are able to rank several competitive keywords or keywords phrase. So far, I trust only two SEO Guru that always unveil their several competitive keywords
and ranking nicely in the first page in google for long.
This kind of proof, you can do with Adobe Photoshop. Ryan? So far, he never reveal a single proof to rank a very competitive keywords.
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# 5 August 2010 at 1:42 am

Noel Proulx said:
Pt Barnum said it best “there is a sucker born every minute”. Now I don’t wish ill on the uninformed when it comes to things like SEO, but is it really all that hard for people to do even just a little research? No one want’s to take the time to find out about something and do a little leg work. “Make me rich right away for just $2k sounds great.” Sadly most who would have been taken by this won’t bother to search for why it did not work and probably won’t stumble in here to find out what a sham he is.
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# 5 August 2010 at 2:09 am
Hvis du ikke kan lade være at købe hypede IM produkter said:
[...] Men dette indlæg er egentlig ikke skrevet for at promovere Aaron, men nærmere for at henvise dig til en blog kaldet SaltyDroid.info – Specielt hans indlæg omkring Ryan’s produkt: http://saltydroid.info/ryan-deiss-perpetual-traffic-accident/ [...]
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# 5 August 2010 at 6:20 am

What are you on said:
The way you have reviewed the program and Ryan is both pointless and misleading.
How on earth would someone get a lot of free traffic with IM Product Lauch keywords??? No one would even think of typing these words into Google unless you’re exposed to the words in some other ways first.
All of those peaks in traffic were probably during the launch, in which case of course there will be a peak. And how else are you going to get that without means of traffic other than organic?
Not only that, but the only sites of Ryan’s you decide to review are the sites of his IM products!
Again, pointless!
You’re entitled to your opinion but at least have a more honest and fair review without misleading your readers.
IE. Why don’t you find the stats of websites Ryan has created which are not in the IM niche and not IM products with random names which are unlikely to be searched for in the first place.
If you find the stats are exactly the same, then fair enough. You’re right. But don’t mislead people to believe otherwise until you present a more well-balanced case.
And c’mon readers…be smarter. Don’t let reviews like this dictate your thoughts. Unless you’re purposely fooling yourself to believe what you want to believe rather than what is real.
(Btw, if your only intention was to get visitors to your blog by having a controversial post, then just ignore this message – and well done.)
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SD Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
@What are you on ::
I’ve written 234 controversial posts … okay guy? Maybe you should read more that 500 words before you go spouting off. Read all 40 posts about Ryan and Perry … then come back and talk to us.
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what are you on Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
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@SD,
LOSER!! ::   -4
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what are you on Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
@SD, no, but thanks! really! why would I read further if all you have to offer is misleading information and a response like. way to take criticism!
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ThinkAboutIt Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
@What are you on,
At this point, you would think Ryan would come forward and actually show some of the proof that you are telling other people that they should provide. Sounds kind of backwards to me.
How do you dismiss the fact that in Ryans own words a month ago, he said SEO was pointless and he wasn’t good at it?
Not to mention, in the list of Ryans sites that has been talked about, there were a “few” that were not in the Internet Marketing niche, and they too are showing nothing in the way of traffic, other than paid traffic.
I’m sure there are quite a few people out there (Ryan and his affiliates included) who think that SD and others that have posted in this thread are just spiteful fucking morons, but in this case, I think it’s pretty obvious that Ryan isn’t an SEO expert and pretty much threw some shit together to try and fuck a few hundred/thousand people out of 2K a pop. It’s disgusting, and shit like this is the exact reason why regardless of who you are, or how you are trying to do business, there is always a group or segment of people that assume that you are a scamming fucking dirt bag just because you are somehow guilty by association in the sense that you are also selling information products.
SEOBOOK, and a few other established SEO sites/people are also starting to post some negative reviews, and blog posts about not only the content, but Ryans own words from his videos where he is saying that he doesn’t like SEO, and the fact that he isn’t good at it. How do you go from not being good at something to being able to charge people $2,000 for information on the subject? You can’t! In this case what has been done is nothing short of fucking criminal.
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what are you on Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
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@ThinkAboutIt, I hear what your saying but it’s very assumptive that Ryan (as well as his team who have obviously helped him put this together) now know nothing about seo.
It is learnable afterall, isn’t it?
And Ryan’s own words can be dismissed by virtue of the online world changing at a ridiculous speed (as we all know), his ability to learn (he’s obviously a clever bloke) and his entitlement to change his mind. (we’ve all said things in the past that somewhere along the line we may have changed our opinion about)
To say its criminal without knowing what’s on the course and what value it might bring to you and others is far fetched to say the least.
anyway, i’m sure you get what i’m saying. people just need to stop jumping to conclusions.
LOSER!! ::   -4
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Lance Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
@what are you on:
Are you Ryan Deiss’ and his felon sidekick Perry Belcher’s publicist? Because one thing is for sure: whenever you talk, it smells just like their breath.
I agree with one thing you’ve said: people need to stop jumping to conclusions, especially the assumption that Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher can be trusted.
Now hurry along, Ryan needs another massage.
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what are you on Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
@Lance, yeah, spot on mate.
now go wipe the sand out of your vagina.
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Lance Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
@what are you on, We really didn’t need any confirmation, but thanks for showing your colors.
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ThinkAboutIt Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
@what are you on,
I understand what you are saying, but you need to keep things in a bit of perspective. The video that was posted here with Ryan (in his own words) saying that he wasn’t good at SEO, and that it was useless, is only a month or 2 old.
In the past 2 months, he has launched 2 or 3 products about paid traffic, and in each and every one he has dismissed SEO just about every single way possible. He’s made statements that he isn’t good at it, that it isn’t effective, and did his best to lead people to believe that it isn’t something that you should focus your time on.
So, what does all that mean? It means that one of three things is true.
1. He was saying whatever he had to say at the time to get people to buy his product(s) when he was in the shadows actually doing SEO.
2. He just threw this course together because he knew that there is a huge newbie market that would gobble it up.
3. He is just completely full of shit.
The reviews of the first module of content are starting to trickle in here and there, and anyone that doesn’t have an obvious interest in the product for the most part are saying that it isn’t very good. Important things are left out, the information is incomplete, and in some cases the information that he has given has just plain been wrong.
Additionally, the whole fucking thing is turning into a fiasco where his integrity, knowledge, and honesty is being called into question. To date, I have not seen or heard of him saying or doing anything to defend himself or his product. In all honesty, if he was REALLY doing SEO the way he says that he is, his abilities and credentials could easily be proved by simply showing some examples.
Show everyone some fucking sites
Show us some stats
Show us that you are using your own techniques to rank well in the search engines.
I’ve to date never seen anyone sell something for this much money where they didn’t at least have some examples of their methods in action to point to in order to prove that what they are teaching and selling is effective.
In this case though, in my opinion he assumed that he could get by simply on his credibility with his affiliates, previous customers, and his groupies, but let me tell you where all of this is going to go extremely wrong for him. People that actually DO SEO and KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT are going to lay eyes on his product, and think to themselves, and if they have any courage, morals, and integrity scream to the world that the product is a piece of shit.
It’s normal for launch time to cause a bunch of people to call the “gurus” and their affiliates a bunch of scammers, and morons simply because of the price or the fact that they are promoting something new as the next great thing every week. In those cases, I feel that people need to just shut the fuck up until they see the product, and to let the people that bought the course decide whether it was worth the money that they paid.
In this case, it’s a little bit different though. You have the product creator 30 – 60 days earlier saying that he isn’t good in the area that the product is based, you have his sites which show no signs of “perpetual traffic” , and you have newbies and experienced people alike saying that the content that is already available is sub par. With that being said, the ball is in Ryans court to shut everyone the fuck up by actually proving that he is legitimate, and that he isn’t simply trying to portray himself as an expert, and essentially stealing $2,000 from people. Sure, he offers refunds which is a good thing in this particular instance I would imagine, but how the fuck is he going to compensate some desperate person out there for their time going through and implementing a product that was created by someone who by the looks of it has no clue what they are talking about when it comes to the subject in question?
WINNER!! ::   +14
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bob Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
@ThinkAboutIt, EXCELLENT breakdown of what’s really going on here. Everyone should read ThinkAboutIt’s comment carefully, and ESPECIALLY note the 3 points he enumerated.
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what are you on Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
@ThinkAboutIt, cool, at least you make sense and put up a good argument. (ie. not just acting like a burnt hater/guru basher, like some people in here)
To be fair, you make good points. And the ball is definitely in Ryan’s court.
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Ben Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
@What are you on, This post is just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG when it comes to Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher. Like SD suggested, get the full story before you start shilling for someone!
http://saltydroid.info/category/ryan-deiss/
http://saltydroid.info/rated-g-reports/perry-belcher/
http://saltydroid.info/category/perry-belcher/
For those who aren’t aware, convicted felon Perry Belcher is a key figure and very involved in Ryan Deiss’ organization. Belcher has quite a history of internet fraud. Proceed with extreme caution!!
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what are you on Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
@Ben, you ask this guy (sd) for the full story (or at least a fuller one) and he acts like a pineapple is stuck up his ass.
this is why posts like this are just one-sided bashing. pointless.
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# 5 August 2010 at 7:00 pm

Nick said:
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Don’t you think that people who are buying infoproducts like crazy, actually deserve what they are getting?
They can find all the info for free, but keep buying shit like hypnotized.
Good for Ryan, bad for them.
LOSER!! ::   -4
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Joe Reply:
August 6th, 2010 at 10:43 am
@Nick, Kind of like people who fall for lies deserve to be lied to?
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# 6 August 2010 at 6:24 am
» Ryan Deiss Scam Ryan Diess Scams Ryan Deiss Scammer … SEO said:
[...] Deiss’ Perpetual Traffic Formula :: just take a moment to savor the name :: Google that is … I’m talking to you Google [...]
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# 6 August 2010 at 6:11 pm

William said:
Be sure to read the Droid’s followup post to this, which includes even more evidence of Ryan Deiss’ non-performance with SEO:
http://saltydroid.info/ryan-deiss-scam-ryan-diess-scams-ryan-deiss-scammer-seo/
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# 7 August 2010 at 9:51 pm

Caligula said:
This web page is ranked on the top of page three for the exact phrase, ryan deiss perpetual traffic formula. Cool huh?:)
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# 8 August 2010 at 3:56 am

Kit said:
So are you mad that:
1. He’s rehashing the material.
2. Lying
3. Not using the material.
4. Making 1 Million Dollars or more Per Spike.
:0)
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Joe Reply:
August 10th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
You left out, “scamming.”
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# 10 August 2010 at 9:05 pm

Caligula said:
oooooooh! I’ve just checked and the site is now sitting in the number one position of page one of google for the exact phrase, “ryan deiss perpetual traffic formula”:)
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# 11 August 2010 at 8:28 am

Greatdomainnow said:
Oh I have the balls to comment. My question is while you are busy bashing Ryan and telling the world he is scam artist, what is your claim to fame? Maybe he is, God know’s there are plenty of gurus professing the keys the goose that lays the golden egg. But can you contribute to increasing anyones knowledge of SEO and gaining one way backlinks.
I would be delighted to find just one SOB on here that can truly deliver a fraction of the B.S. they claim and sell.
Perhaps since you are so gifted, particularly in the area of colorful adjectives, you could share with us some of your plethora of knowledge and help a couple of us poor dumbasses actually make some money and do things that will show some real results other than on the bottom line of your bank statement each month.
Is there anybody out there that can deliever? Please enlighten me…I am looking for the true Messiah…..Thanks
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SD Reply:
August 13th, 2010 at 12:30 am
@Greatdomainnow ::
I deliver on 100% of my promises by promising nothing. I don’t sell anything here … or anywhere. I don’t have any secrets about SEO … or about making money … or about where unicorns are known to graze.
There is no Messiah. Life is hard … often shitty … and always unpredictable.
… good times.
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Dr. Venkman Reply:
August 13th, 2010 at 12:56 am
@Greatdomainnow, Commenting anonymously takes zero balls. Don’t expect a prize. And since when does being witness to or reporting a crime require special credentials or celebrity recognition? Would you demand that people who are victimized be required to get Wayne Newton to call 911 for them?
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# 12 August 2010 at 11:53 pm

Greatdomainnow said:
Why don’t you get off her crotch dock…sniff some ass why don’t you. It certainly isn’t a crime to report a crime and I am all for busting the balls of the gurus that are ripping people off left and right. Unfortunately, in my early years I was a victim like many others.
Nevertheless, it is quite easy to get on here and make accusations about anyone, without having proper documentation or the ability to substantiate your accusation. Like I could call you a baby raping pedophile Dr Venkman, now prove that you aren’t other than getting on here and jacking yourself off because you possess an excellent command of the english language. That doesn’t exonerate rate you it just makes you a well spoken pedophile. Not that I really believe that you are, I just illustrating a fact that anyone can attack another on here and get a band wagon.
If this guy is a fraud then by all means expose the bastard, and please continue on with the rest of the fruadulent pricks. I just didn’t see anything other than rhetoric that called the guy a fraud, nothing other than that to substantiate whether he is or is not.
I am not attempting to attack The Salty Droid I am asking for a little more proof. I have seen his latest adventure for $1,997.00 you get all keys to page one rankings on google. I will give him credit for one thing if his a complete fraud, he is getting paid well….most of the pricks insult everyones intelligence by offering the keys of $47.00. Imagine that, I can become a millionaire for $47.00…go figure.
Two things as I am not going to waste anymore time with this than necassary, if any of you know of any real, legit, SEO, and marketing people I would delighted and grateful if you would share them with me, and two the information at the top of the pg didn’t substantiate whether he is a fraud or not, it was a few graphics followed by some strong language. I am glad you aren’t pissed off at me Saltry Droid….may I ask if you were a student or follower of Ryan Deiss at one time?
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SD Reply:
August 13th, 2010 at 3:19 am
@Greatdomainnow ::
Think of this blog like a book. The book tells a very complicated story over many bite size pieces. You just opened the book at page 600.
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.nate Reply:
August 13th, 2010 at 6:59 am
@Greatdomainnow,
“…if any of you know of any real, legit, SEO, and marketing people I would delighted and grateful if you would share them with me…”
Rand Fishkin, SEOmoz.org
Aaron Wall, SEObook.com
Seth Godin, sethgodin.typepad.com
The FREE content on these three sites is worth more than any $2k course I’ve personally reviewed.
You don’t get good at SEO until you learn how to test and track your own metrics. And I don’t mean backlinks and “Page Rank!”.
However, now I’ve given you two membership sites that do, for pennies on the dollar vs Guru courses.
As for marketing, don’t learn it online. Go to the library or Barnes & Noble. Pick up some of Seth’s books for starters.
Now be well my son, and sin no more.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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# 13 August 2010 at 2:37 am

Greatdomainnow said:
Well SD,
If he is truly a fraud and ripping people off then I commend your efforts to expose him, and I certainly hope you P.O.ed at a couple of more…..perhaps we should all take the SEO we have learned from these gurus and turn it against them to expose the mass majority for what they truly are…..not just money thieves….but they steal people hope. That is the biggest crime of all in my humble opinion. The fact that soooo many naive people come on the internet just searching for a legit way to make some extra money and possibly have extra income to make ends meet (people like me) only to have their hopes dashed upon the rocks of B.S. and hype….I have learned my lessons a couple of years back, but unfortunately there are single mothers, people losing their jobs, suffering from injuries (me) and other that initially come on here and get hammered a few times until it sinks in that you aren’t going to become a millionaire for $47.00 and then the back end selling for another $97.00 or whatever it is.
I think that is a crying shame truly, the money can be replaced, unfortunately hope and confidence cannot in many instances. Then the second tradegy is that when a person runs into a real and genuine internet marketing expert that has good stuff the fakes have reverse engineered (I love that phrase) the real Mcoy’s so well that our little crystal balls don’t allow us to discern the real from the artificial.
It wasn’t my intent to inflame anyone on here I just happened by and took the time to read and couldn’t understand why the harsh words. If I have come in at the last few minutes of the fourth quarter not having watched the entire game then I apologize….Dr V…I don’t think you are a Ped…LOL…by the way Thank You Nate for the tip….. will check it out.
Also, I have looked at a lot of SEO software….most looks like garbage to me…but I did come across IBP and dowloaded it for the free trial version…of all I have encountered it appears to at least on the surface the most pure and half way decent of the bunches…any opine would be welcome and appreciate…..your new kick ball GDN…lol.
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Jack Reply:
August 15th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
@Greatdomainnow, I know I’m really, really new at this, but after I found SEOBook I was trying to find software, too, and I found one at http://www.link-assistant.com that I liked but I can’t afford it now because I don’t really know how to make any money off of my website and I’m kind of broke right now from playing too much poker.
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# 14 August 2010 at 12:33 am

Jack said:
I like how Alexa put the giraffe in that one graph. I don’t understand why they did it, but it’s kind of funny.
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Tom Reply:
August 14th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
@Jack, I think that means it is a “tall tale,” like Perpetual Traffic Formula. I guess that might not be as funny to the poor people who in a moment of unclear thinking paid $2,000 for PTF. Fortunately, I believe they still have time to get a refund, if they hurry.
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Jack Reply:
August 14th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
@Tom,
OK. I’m not quite getting it. But why would they pay $2,000 for a product like that? I just started out and I am learning a lot from a site called SEOBook for free.
That’s how I found this one.
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Tom Reply:
August 14th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
@Jack, Well, consider yourself lucky. SEOBOOK is the real deal and one of the oldest SEO expert sites on the internet. I’ve been there myself.
On the other hand, this “Perpetual Traffic” stuff was marketed like a (very expensive) late night infomercial. Lots of hype, made up new “terminology” to make it seem new, and of course, they paid huge commissions and gave away big prizes to affiliates for saying whatever it would take to get people to buy it.
People just got caught up in the hysteria with all these promoters hyping it up.
I guess P. T. Barnum was right.
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Jack Reply:
August 14th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
@Tom, Well, sounds like I’m REALLY lucky then and I’m glad I never saw the informercial for it on T.V.!
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# 14 August 2010 at 4:36 pm

John said:
Ryan is a scam artist and he is laughing all the way to the bank. Sources tell me that he sold over 1500 of his $2000 “traffic formula” – I’ll let you do the math on that one. Just like every other scam… it’s nothing more then a repackaging of information that’s already been taught. Those of us who want to make money online… when are we gonna wake up? All we have to do is take information that’s already out there and put it together in a pretty little package and promote it. There ya go… instant riches… Just like Ryan.
Thanks for the great article.
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# 15 August 2010 at 7:36 pm

jenn said:
Came over from Warrior Forum and glad I did…I think these things often about some of the ridiculous launches and its nice to see someone articulate it so clearly! :)
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# 15 August 2010 at 9:44 pm
How to get Alexa to add images to your traffic graphs | JackBewildered.com said:
[...] I found out recently is really good because a bunch of people paid $2,000 for some product called Perpetual Traffic System which isn’t as good as the free information at SEOBook. Some guy at a site called The Salty [...]
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# 17 August 2010 at 3:05 am

Cambridge Marketing said:
Ive actually read nearly all the posts here an im really glad Ryan has been exposed. In fact im still receiving emails from him AND from a number of other affiliates promoting his service.
He mustve invested alot of time to launch the product and all the marketing at the same time and at first I was intrigued then as you start reading the ‘positive reviews’ that appeared within 24hours thhey were so spammy it became obvious the whole thing was a sham.
This blog post and the reviews really sum up what Ryan is doing. Conning people out of money for something they can get for free. Ok hes dressed it up in a presentation and a print out, but seriously $2000 your having a laugh!!
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# 17 August 2010 at 5:25 am

Greatdomainnow said:
Ok several things today; One so far from this very active site I have concluded that Most of you guys don’t like Ryan and you are of the mindset that he has ripped these people off terribly. Now they have the Red Pill that they did a webinar on last night that is suppose to really create success by creating good mental health and destroying old destructive mindset that are counter productive to success.
I don’t know because I came late into the picture, and am not aware of all that is going on or all the details of how this got started. I am familiar with his stuff and appreciate the free info I got that I didn’t know before like the Authority Codes, which got me some good .gov and .edu links to one of my sites. The cherry picker is quite useful as well. I haven’t paid a dime, but did gain a couple of useful things from following the affiliate links.
I have a couple of questions for anyone that would care to reply.
Henry Ford invented the Model T and the first massed produced car. Since then numerous auto makers have copied his invention and improved upon it. So were they scam artists, and did they rehash the automobile? Has Ryan Deiss improved upon, and upgraded any information that hs is selling? Are people actually seeing results and benefiting from his very expensive training course?
Is anyone here actually teaching, creating software, educational materials that are new and improved, or helping anyone out there that needs to learn really good SEO techniques so that they can improve their quality of life for themselves, and their families by generating either a very good online income or at least good extra income?
I just want to learn some really useful stuff that I don’t already know, find good software to automate and increase productivity of submissions…stuff that is really user friendly, high in quality, and is not a rip off that I can both use and feel comfortable promoting to others.
Everybody is cracking on Ryan (amd maybe with very good cause) and somewhat assualting the people who have fallen for the SEO course but I would love to expend some of this energy in a way that would be beneficial to us all…but what do I know…that’s my two cents which is probably only worth a penny..lol.
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# 17 August 2010 at 5:37 am

Greatdomainnow said:
Also Droid if read correctly on the Operator page, you are a COD player? Is that COD 1 without the patch? Because if you are and you play online you may recognize me as StoneWall….and I am one Scary S.O.B. on there….you need your game face to see me…LOL…I am the shiznits!
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# 17 August 2010 at 5:43 am

Greatdomainnow said:
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Please help me over the hump…I have a website http://www.internationalwaterfrom air.com that sells atmospheric water generators. At this time I have done the SEO myself. I am a PR3 and am trying to page one for water purification systems and water filtration systems. I am on pg3 #28 for water purification systems out of 6.5 million results and pg 7 #69 for water filtration systems…anybody that would give me a link to help move me up I would be eternally grateful…i am up against the BIG DOGS now Like Brita, Aquasana, etc. But the little guy one man operation is giving them a run.
Thanks…
LOSER!! ::   -4
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Jack Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
@Greatdomainnow, I don’t understand what that site is trying to do.
I get this message when I go to it:
“Network – DNS Lookup Error
The address http://www.internationalwaterfrom cannot be found.
We suggest you try again, edit the address, or click on one of the links below.”
Wouldn’t it be better if your friend set it up in a way so people could just go directly to his site?
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Greatdomainnow Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
@Jack, the URL is http://www.internationalwaterfromair.com
sorry it was a typo earlier.
Thanks,
GDN
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Jack Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 1:14 am
@Greatdomainnow, Why don’t you just use the linkbuilding service your advertising on the bottom of that page? It says they will build you links for your site.
Also, I don’t understand the part of your site that says “Humans Need Water”. I think most people would see that and wonder why they need your site, since they probably already know that they need water. I mean if they need it I assume they would always be using water, so they couldn’t be at your site if they didn’t need water because I guess they’d be sick or dead or something. I’ve never really tried to not drink water so I don’t really know I guess.
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# 17 August 2010 at 5:48 am

Jack said:
A friend of mine told me that some stock-trading friends of his said FaceBook was starting to do more of some sort of traffic than Google but I can’t remember what it was.
Does that mean that we can expect this Ryan Deiss guy to do a product about why we should all forget SEO and focus on FaceBook?
Sounds like that should be coming next month based on what I’m reading here.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
@Jack, he already did that. In February.
Warning: Do Not Watch. Mind Control In Action.
http://www.newtraffichoneyhole.com/
If you do watch it, don’t forget to laugh about 30 seconds in when he tells you the video you’re watching will be taken down very soon. Because it’s been up for over six months and counting.
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
@Jack,
he already did…it’s where I got his “there’s no such thing as free traffic” portion of the video above….
http://www.newtraffichoneyhole.com/
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Jack Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
@_cartman_, Ohh…so maybe he can just relaunch that product under a different name with a new video then.
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# 17 August 2010 at 8:02 pm
» The Syndicated Comments said:
[...] a true sucker I bought Perpetual Traffic Formula, this is my last hope of recovering some of the money I’ve lost to these [...]
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# 18 August 2010 at 6:04 am

BUYER COMMENTS said:
Here are some buyer comments from the Warrior Forum:
“Did you guys notice that Ryan doesn’t really know what he’s talking about when it comes to Keyword Research?”
“I will definitely ask for a refund”
“I’m very disappointed”
“Seriously, pretty basic and I must say that I was more than a little bit disappointed.”
“He needs to kick it up a few notches if he doesn’t want a massive refund rate.”
“Yes, I’m one of the buyers. I’m not satisfied with the product”
“As I’ve already got a somewhat deep level of SEO understanding, I have already noticed some of the stuff he has taught is somewhat innacurate”
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# 18 August 2010 at 9:39 pm

SAVE $2000 ON PERPETUAL TRAFFIC said:
This will save $2,000 and a lot of time for anyone who wants perpetual traffic:
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Unicorn Army Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
@SAVE $2000 ON PERPETUAL TRAFFIC,
THANKS FOR THE MICHAEL CAMPBELL AD.
The caps lock key is on the left side of the keyboard.
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Zorba the Geek Reply:
August 18th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
@Unicorn Army, Relax.
One can make do with the info on that page and leave it at that, thus saving 2 grand.
Or, better yet, go to SeoBook.com and get the real goods.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
August 19th, 2010 at 10:18 am
@Zorba the Geek, good point, well the second one anyway.
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# 18 August 2010 at 9:44 pm

Bob R. said:
Fake Ass Video…Doctored Ass Audio…Haters will keep hating.
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LOL Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
@Bob R., Unfortunately for Ryan Deiss, thousands of people already saw that video on Ryan’s own site when he was using it to promote his previous crap. So no, it’s too late to pretend he didn’t say it. Good try though. LOL!
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# 20 August 2010 at 2:22 pm

k3vin said:
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Look…I like to come here for a laugh occasionally at the fact that people actually take the time to take somebody and verbally abuse and bash them with some sort of wikid random vendetta. I don’t know why anybody would spend their free time being hateful and mean to somebody. I simply don’t get it. Is it to fuck with his cash flow? Make business hard for the guy?
Let me tell you guys something…it’s not working :P It will never work. I know Ryan and Perry both personally, and I have for some time. You’re not hurting their wallets. And none of your are stupid enough to just keep trying something over and over again in the same way with it not showing any results…at least I hope.
So what is it then? Some sort of a “greater good” – “he’s scamming so let’s bring him down” sort of thing? You guys may be a bit off on that one too…
We’re all smart people. We all know that information is free in today’s world. You can NOT come out with something super Earth-Shattering in anything online anymore without the entire world knowing about it freely in less than an hour. Hell, Microsoft can’t even make a piece of software without me being able to pirate it 1/2 a day later.
So, with that in mind, everybody here KNOWS that what he’s got to sell isn’t really above and beyond anything anybody’s ever seen. But, Ryan has continued to be successful time and time again to spite all of you people who are jumping down his throat without ever even knowing the guy. Why? Because…drum roll…he’s GOOD AT MARKETING. He sells thousands of copies of this because he’s good at getting people worked up and wanting to buy something. Wouldn’t you want to learn ANYTHING from a guy like that? Especially if you have a 45 day period to get your fucking money back?
He’s not tricking people. He’s not scamming. What happens is that you guys, obviously all smart people, get his course (which I’m sure 80% of your haven’t even seen yet…) and immediately go “well fuck this is crap. 2k for this?”. When somebody else, who is a BEGINNER and NEEDS TO LEARN THIS SHIT to get started gets all the information in the world out of it, and comes back claiming they would have paid double for the information.
He’s not marketing to you fucks lol. Believe it or not, he’s got a target audience. It’s people who don’t know all of the stuff he has to teach. And believe it or not yet again, a good half the people I run into even today don’t know how to properly search Google, or know what SEO is from their asshole…but they want to do what Ryan does.
So to me, it seems that all of this “free” information on the Internet is definitely free for all those who know where to find it, who know how to start, who have a firm grasp of where to look (and don’t come back and say “oh its easy a dumb fuck could find this”…trust me….alot of people have NO idea, I swear to you). But for the rest of us, Ryan will consolidate it all for you, show you what you need to know, walk you through the information, and at least get you started.
Let’s not forget…after a couple weeks if you think it’s horse shit..you can GET YOUR FUCKING MONEY BACK
It seems that horse shit is in the eye of the beholder ;)
And enough with this “felon” shit about Perry. I don’t give a rats ass if he is a felon. Fuck, I’m a felon. But if a guy can make millions, lose it, make it back, lose it again, and MAKE IT BACK AGAIN…I don’t care at all what kind of person he is…I want to learn from that guy!!! (and trust me, he really is one of the nicest, kindest people you’ll ever meet. It was a fuckin mistake guys, let it go).
I would say cut it and move the fuck on..but we all know that’s impossible. You guys have way too much shit to talk, just has Ryan and Perry have way too much money to make. To me, you guys are waaaaay worse than they are. Keep on keepin on SD, we all know that you’ll never give up…it’s just a weird thing to “hang on to”. More power to you though…you’re making NO difference <3
-K
LOSER!! ::   -4
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756 Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@k3vin,
756 words to explain why your buddies aren’t being hurt by this blog?
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SD Reply:
August 21st, 2010 at 4:37 pm
@756 ::
Ha!
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William Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
@k3vin, You might want to submit that to free-press-release.com.
I think you summed it up perfectly right here:
“And enough with this “felon” shit about Perry. I don’t give a rats ass if he is a felon. Fuck, I’m a felon. But if a guy can make millions, lose it, make it back, lose it again, and MAKE IT BACK AGAIN…I don’t care at all what kind of person he is…”
I doubt anyone could have put it any better than that.
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
@k3vin,
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And enough with this “felon” shit about Perry. I don’t give a rats ass if he is a felon. Fuck, I’m a felon. But if a guy can make millions, lose it, make it back, lose it again, and MAKE IT BACK AGAIN…I don’t care at all what kind of person he is…I want to learn from that guy!!!
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Perry made money in a felonious way (no need to use the quotes)….he is a felon, and made his money directly by committing that felony….it’s not that he was making money and just happened to commit a felony….
A bank robber makes money…want to learn from him?
Madoff made a fucking fortune….wnat to learn from him?
Or do you draw the line at learning from someone ripping off the sick and desperate….you fucking humanitarian you….
WINNER!! ::   +7
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k3vin Reply:
August 23rd, 2010 at 9:45 am
@_cartman_,
FYI..Perry didn’t lose and make his money over and over again by committing that one felony. That was…well..ONE felony. It was a mistake, just like I said, and just like he said as well.
And yes, if a bank robber was caught, thrown in jail, did his time, got out of jail, and made millions by NOT robbing banks, all the while apologizing for robbing the bank…for sure. I would want to learn from that guy. I can’t believe you wouldn’t. Nobody ever said that I wanted to learn how to commit felonys online like Perry. I want to learn what you guys seem to LOVE to leave off about him, is that he’s moved on since his mistake and has been very successfully on the straight and narrow.
He’s done his time, and gave up what was asked for. I don’t see why he should still be rammed for it.
..but, like I said before, all this really is is for a good laugh. My give-a-fucks are pretty much non existent here. Just giving my 2 cents, even tho I know that since they are on the opposite end of the spectrum from you strange fucks, they’ll never be taken seriously :P
Thanks anyways…and good luck in your..hahahaHAHA..mission? I guess you can call it? Whatever it is :P You’re doing wonderful!
<3
K
P.S.
Let's count how many names I get called in the next post. We have an office pool :D Fingers crossed!!! Wait…gotta egg them on a bit…"fingers crossed, you predictable fucks!".
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Felony Shmelony Reply:
August 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 am
@k3vin,
I know what Perry says happened, even to his “friends”. And if that’s the story you’ve heard and believe, you’re not in his actual inner circle of real friends – they know exactly what happened and sit around and laugh about it with things like “aw that sucks man, you’ll get back on top” etc etc. This was back when it actually happened.
I can also say with confidence you have not independently looked into what happened. Which means you’re just taking him at his word, just like a sales page.
I could tell you exactly what happened and prove why Perry was knowingly at fault, but you wouldn’t believe it anyways. So I simply encourage you to read the official reports and charges filed against him. They spell it out pretty well. It wasn’t an “oops”.
Also, Perry’s follow-up launches touted his money-making ability FROM the felony. Remember his Social Media Blueprint? All his earnings claims were from money he had taken away from him. All his proof was fraudulent. But people continue to take him at his word, because he’s promoted by other “good guys”.
You have too much trust.
Don’t reply until you read up on this and we’ll talk more.
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k3vin Reply:
August 23rd, 2010 at 11:20 am
@Felony Shmelony,
Don’t reply until you read up more :P I know everything there is to know about it. It’s just plain strange to me that you would think that I have no idea, when you have absolutely no idea who I am, or what I know….so…yeah, very strange? Still though..
Please don’t get me wrong here. I’m not condoning what he did. When I said “I’m a felon”, it’s to do with some stupid traffic law thing I unintentionally broke, completely by accident. It snowballed pretty quick..yay for our traffic system (lol)! In that regard, I’m nowhere near Perry in terms of “I know what I did before I did it”…so yeah, horrible in terms of comparison, him and I, and I’ll admit that one.
But, going back to the bank robber, the same guy would know what he’s doing is wrong. He knows it’s illegal. And yes, when he gets caught he goes to jail just the same. But you’ve seen that show “Mastermind” (actually I’m not sure that you have, that would put me in the same boat as you in terms of assuming what you do and do not know). Basically, it’s these guys who do these crazy things (bank robberies, check fraud, smuggling drugs, etc.) and then come on the show and talk about it AFTER they did their time, and paid their debt to society. Hell, some of them write books about it and end up making a pretty decent haul.
Here’s my point…Perry knew what he was doing. In that regard, there was no “oops”. But, after the fact, it doesn’t mean he can’t feel sorry for what he did and change his ways. Which…I’ve talked to him about it before (not in an attempt to wow or shut anybody up, you guys could probably care less). He didn’t try to hide what happened, but he told me that he no longer conducts business like that, and should never have in the first place.
All I’m saying is that maybe it’s you guys who don’t know the whole truth, or your facts are a bit skewed. He’s such a nice guy, I’d really like to change your minds about him.
But as I said before…stubborn will be stubborn, and I’ll never be able to (nor will anybody else) clear his name to YOU guys…even though the state of Texas (and our country) has forgiven him.
I don’t care too much though. And apparently, you guys don’t either :)
<3
K
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Felony Shmelony Reply:
August 23rd, 2010 at 11:58 am
@k3vin,
…Texas?
What are you even talking about?
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SD Reply:
August 23rd, 2010 at 12:27 pm
@k3vin ::
It’s the State of Tennessee actually … oh lover of facts … and he’s not been “forgiven” … he’s on parole. “Paying his debt” to society meant honoring the terms of that agreement for the entirety … but before the ink was dry on his settlement {negotiated by a fancy lawyer retained with loot monies} he was working with The Syndicate … which in my opinion is a much :: much :: more serious violation than Selmedica ever was. I started writing about Perry because of his Syndicate frauducts … not because of Selmedica … just like I wouldn’t have started on James Ray if he’d fallen into silence and contrition after the sweat lodge deaths. You really have to beg for it to be featured here.
I know everyone likes Perry. Fine. I write about actions not people … and Perry’s actions are disgusting. If there is a genuinely nice guy lurking inside of him … then that makes his actions even more abominable.
The facts aren’t “skewed” here guy … the facts are the facts. Corrections to substantive factual errors are always welcomed and carefully considered.

Bottom Line Reply:
August 23rd, 2010 at 1:25 pm
@k3vin, Here’s a recap on felon Perry Belcher from the pages of reality:
1. Perry Belcher didn’t commit his felony in one brief moment, or over a weekend. He did it over many years. That is NOT a casual criminal or a mistake. He is hard core and knew exactly what he was doing. That’s the worst kind of criminal.
2. Belcher did not stop until AFTER he was caught. Don’t confuse criminal apprehension with “change of heart.”
3. Even after his felony conviction, Belcher immediately resumed using fraudulent claims to sell products while ON 10 years of supervised probation. He *admitted* to it right here on this blog. His social media frauduct was promoted using the sales figures from his prior illegal drug business. That means people would have had to break the law to achieve what he himself claimed. In other words, his product claims were based on a huge lie.
4. Belcher has various get rich quick frauducts, including one where he claims he is the successful operator of ice cream trucks. However, there is a recording floating around in which it states he knew NOTHING about that business and just got the info second hand from someone who did. Now, to any customer who buys such a product on the expectation of receiving promised first hand experience, but who actually receives second hand theory, that’s a misleading ripoff any way you look at it. Oh, and don’t forget his “hot dog cart” business, which you might think has made him a bunch of money and that he is currently operating. I’ll take my lies with mustard, Perry.
5. Belcher has NEVER publicly admitted the seriousness of his conviction and taken full responsibility. He had one spin video where he said, “I did some things the government didn’t like.” How is that a confession? That’s a total denial. He was convicted of a serious felony. He ripped sick people off for YEARS and then tries to make HIMSELF out as a “victim?” That’s more than shameful.
Behind all the fake “flip a switch” charm and the “trust me” smile is a real sociopath.
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 23rd, 2010 at 3:06 pm
@k3vin,
First you said
“..but, like I said before, all this really is is for a good laugh. My give-a-fucks are pretty much non existent here. Just giving my 2 cents, even tho I know that since they are on the opposite end of the spectrum from you strange fucks, they’ll never be taken seriously”
and…
“Let’s count how many names I get called in the next post. We have an office pool :D Fingers crossed!!! Wait…gotta egg them on a bit…”fingers crossed, you predictable fucks!”.”-K3vin
Then you said
“He’s such a nice guy, I’d really like to change your minds about him.”-K3vin
hmmm…..it’s an interesting approach you use to “change” minds….do you retarded fucks actually speak truthfully in any regards…or do you become so fucking stupid by writing your BS copy, that you carry it over and make it part of your daily lies (I mean lives).
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 23rd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
@k3vin,
“FYI..Perry didn’t lose and make his money over and over again by committing that one felony. That was…well..ONE felony.”-K3vin
Try learning to differentiate what you fucking said…I never mentioned losing money over and over again I didn’t mention losing money at all (in my response)…that was your quote I “included” in my response…you fucking half wit r-tard….are your “colleagues” still laughing @K3vin [who's post was "deleted" and brought to another thread by "aliens"], who can’t seem to figure out what he said, or where he said it…
“It was a mistake, just like I said, and just like he said as well.”-K3vin
I see….so Perry Belcher accidentally pretended to be fake Doctors…he accidentally misrepresented his product…he accidentally kept billing people without authorization….that’s such an innocent oops; Not (and FYI, that charge is a class B felony (only something like murder would classify as worse)…it’s not like a class B MisterMeaner (yes K3vin it was misspelled for dramatics…sorry Rainman…my bad)
“He’s done his time” -K3vin
Wrong again Rainman…he is still doing his time….his time is 10years (suspended sentence/probation) until 2018, and if US law is like Cambodian law…”suspended” means that his sentence has been “set-aside”, to give him a chance to abide by his probational order….that means if he breaks the terms of his probation order (like he did in his 2009 social media promotional video, where there was a deliberate misrepesentation of certain facts), he will spend that 10 years (well probably 6 with good behavior) in prison (I believe I have that launch video), and his own CONfession of his misrepresentation is on this blog….nice..nice
“and gave up what was asked for.” -K3vin the RPFM
He “forfeited” (because of the “oops”) to get the plea bargain…he didn’t “give up” anything…since you do not have the “color of” right to “give up” what is legally not yours (ie: if you take something under false pretense, you don’t have legal ownership even if you maintain physical “control”….are the other imbeciles (your colleagues) still clapping and laughing as they stand behind you like a bunch of Arnie Grapes pointing at the fucking screen (oohhh look guys he’s calling us fucking r-tards cuz we misrepresented facts…we’re winning)…winning?…get fucking real..
[Forfeit: to lose or lose the right to especially by some error, offense, or crime]
“Thanks anyways…and good luck in your..hahahaHAHA..mission?” -K3vin (aka arnie grape)
A challenge?…okay…so be it…the nice thing…I don’t have to be ripped off by Belcher’s lies….so I can still present evidence of probation violations….
“We have an office pool :D Fingers crossed!!! Wait…gotta egg them on a bit”
My pleasure…
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# 20 August 2010 at 3:35 pm

Refund Anyone? said:
Maybe Ryan Deiss is starting to see his refunds really begin to pile up right about now. If the shill activity here is any benchmark.
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# 20 August 2010 at 4:05 pm

k3vin said:
@Felony Shmelony,
You know, the state? Texas? Big piece of land in the far south. Borders Mexico, right next to Louisiana. Where Perry is located…Austin, which is the capital of said plot of land. Cowboys, oil rigs, hot weather, worse humidity, fuckin’ Texas.
<3
K
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Anthony Mahavick Reply:
August 23rd, 2010 at 1:48 pm
@k3vin, But Texas is not where Perry was convicted. Perry was convicted in Tennessee.
You’d know that if you were aware of the facts in Perry’s case.
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Ray Reply:
August 23rd, 2010 at 1:53 pm
@Anthony Mahavick, Of course, k3vin isn’t really interested in “facts.” He just “wants to learn from that guy” since he “don’t give a rats ass if he is a felon.”
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# 23 August 2010 at 12:22 pm

Vince said:
Thanks for exposing this. I thought something was wrong with this guy and his product. I have no idea why the latest trend is to sell a $2000 coaching program to people.
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Christian blowjobs with Jewish Finger Healing Reply:
August 24th, 2010 at 8:17 am
@Vince, because there are less people buying. Two reasons – A. the economy, people just don’t have the liberty of maxing out credit cards like crazy anymore and they don’t have as much money. B. the exposure of groups of gurus in IM and the revelation that they are using deceit to promote their products.
It’s happening in many industries and bleeds over, people are more skeptical, they are demanding answers to harder questions and they are being less obedient.
It’s harder than ever to get those same amount of sales as yester-year. They are desperately trying to make adjustments, but like inbred hicks with their frontal lobes missing, they do not have good sense to jump from a sinking ship.
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Vince Reply:
August 24th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
@Christian blowjobs with Jewish Finger Healing,
You have a good point.
Personally, I think their way of creating scarcity is very fake. They pull off everything and say doors are closed after a few days of the launch.
I have always believed that there is a fine line between over-charging and being too cheap. I think it is important to find the right price to charge people for your products and services.
$2000 for this? No way! I really think this “coaching” style is over hyped. How can they coach me properly if they aren’t showing me or communicating with me directly?
I don’t consider a bunch of videos and PDFs to be classified as coaching. There are just educational material that I have to go through myself. Sometimes I feel they are insulting my intelligence.
My Mum once told me, “Son, you’re too honest. Others will make $1 while you’re only going to make $0.50 by being so honest.”
I could never live with myself if I were peddling crap that I know is over-priced and over-hyped.
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Lord Ganesh Reply:
August 25th, 2010 at 7:46 am
@Vince, that’s not always true. There are plenty of honest people that make plenty of money. The key to making an honest living with comfort and luxury is the same as the key to having good relationships ; the willingness to continually work at it, to give of yourself to others, and sincerity. It’s still people that are going to be giving you money for your services or goods. People have long memories and they don’t forget.
Now that’s how a true business operates, by integrity and the sincere willingness to help and serve others, indulge in your own passion for the craft tempered with a wisdom for profit.
Anyone can steal and lie to get money. Doesn’t take much of anything, even if the conman’s schemes are super elaborate and he is able to con many. It’s still no big accomplishment but rather it’s just a nasty addiction to the rush of having been able to cheat people out of a lot of money, even if those people are elderly or young people from a third world country. There is no honor in that and actually displays his stupidity. All that time and effort put into cheating people could have been put into doing it right the first time, except he now has the attention of law enforcement and people are actively working to make him go to jail.
Vince, keep being honest, it’s gotten you this far in life, so you must be on the right track.
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# 23 August 2010 at 9:29 pm

$2,000 DEADLINE APPROACHING said:
Just a reminder if you or anyone you know spent $2,000.00 on Perpetual Traffic Formula, your refund DEADLINE is almost here. If you have any hope of ever seeing that huge amount of money again, the clock is ticking!
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# 1 September 2010 at 8:15 pm

Attention Suckers said:
You know that $2,000.00 “Perpetual Traffic Formula” you just bought from Ryan Deiss? The one where he said Google SEO was the HOT TICKET?
Here, he’s saying something completely different. He’s saying forget Google! And he’s saying he isn’t any good at SEO. And that it’s NOT WORTH IT!
How’s that make you feel after paying him $2,000.00?
http://www.thenewtrafficsource.com
Don’t forget there’s a REFUND DEADLINE!
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# 8 September 2010 at 3:21 pm

Greatdomainnow said:
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Greetings and Salutations To All,
It has been a while since I visited the Ryan Deiss Fan Club…lol. Thought I would take a few minutes and catch up on all the good news regarding our buddy.
I watched video recently where he teamed up with somebody…didn’t much care to know his name and they are now selling the red pill. From what I could gather it is a formula to help you improve you mental, emotional and spiritual well being particularly to handle all the money he is going to help you make. Just 2k for the accident and 2k to help you psychologically after you realize you were in one for those that voluntarily took the ride.
Anyway, I am not an SEO expert but I have certainly improved my SEO IQ over the years and am doing much better now.
I decided to start a blog series for noobs that have very little to no understanding of what SEO is and hope that my blog series will give them a basic foundation from which to work from later on so that they can 1. do some SEO stuff on their own eventually, 2. make better decisions about whom to follow when looking for good SEO information, and 3. help them possibly make a better more informed decision as to whom they might want to purchase software, etc, from to increaset the speed and efficiency of their SEO efforts.
But for many they get sucked in before they know what a one way text link is and I thought it would be nice to create a series of blogs (probably about 12 total) that would give them vocabulary and understanding of what SEO is.
Here is my Blog site http://freeseotipandinformation.blogspot.com/
Free SEO Info Blog
Others can do better I am sure but I don’t see too many doing it so I thought maybe I could catch a few “new to the internet” or “new to SEO” folks and perhaps save them a buck or two and save them from being someone’s nect victim
I would really appreciate it if you guys would help me help them by visiting periodically, making a post, etc, so that it will eventually be found by somebody that could really use the info that is on it.
Thank you much, I would really appreciate your help, and I am sure that the few that don’t become victims from all the gurus would appreciate it too. Be well, and God bless..
GreatDomainnow
LOSER!! ::   -7
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# 8 September 2010 at 11:19 pm

Greatdomainnow said:
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To whomever gave me the thumbs down?
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I would imagine that you are probably the types of people that sit around all day complaining constantly about every little thing. You critisize and knock everything, but never take a proactive approach to anything.
You give me two thumbs down for what I wrote or the blog i created trying to help new people on the internet 1. learn something that may help them, and 2. keep them from falling victim to everysoothsayer and guru that promises them the moon for $39.00 (or in some cases 2k)?
If you can do better then by all means please do so but don’t knock my efforts to help some people by pressing a thumbs down button on me. Get your thumb out of your ass and put all of your energy and talent to some good rather than being an f***ing sideline quaterback that has never put on the pads and hit the field.
To everyone else be well and be blessed!
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Inbreeding should be illegal in GA Reply:
September 11th, 2010 at 7:32 am
@Greatdomainnow, the first rule of SEO is to not spam other people’s blogs for your own gain. Looks like you need to go back to square one.
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# 9 September 2010 at 10:35 pm

greatdomainnow said:
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@ Inbreeding should be illegal in GA
Doesn’t sound like you know too much about SEO chief..I would rank my sites against yours anyday.
Further making an attempt to put up geniune beginner stuff to try to help some beginners or noobs find there way there before they fall victim isn’t spammng Country boy. I haven’t tried to promote one product or myself in any way. Perhaps you might want to shut your slick little trap and give us all a lesson in how its done.
Guys like you kill me. You always have the time and energy to put someone or something down but you never do anything constructive with your time…like maybe help somebody that might need it. Rule#1 don’t always try to look out for yourself, #2 make sure you look into what you’re commenting on before you open your slick little trap there cheep a roni…O’tay!
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Anonymous Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 7:44 am
@greatdomainnow, you’re pretty convinced of yourself. There’s no room for anything to improve. You’ve mastered yourself. Congrats.
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Inbreeding should be illegal in GA Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 9:23 am
@greatdomainnow, you should take your own advice.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 9:39 am
@greatdomainnow, there are thousands of blog posts out there with better advice for beginners. If you want to make a difference, link to them – not to your crappy GoDaddy websites.
Here are some free tips for you:
1) Submitting a web site to search engines is a total waste of time.
2) Your bad advice doesn’t help anyone, it just drives them to the marketeers.
3) This is not the best place to promote your garbage link bait.
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# 14 September 2010 at 6:04 am

greatdomainnow said:
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@Inbreeding should be illegal In GA
Perhaps you should have taken a little closer look at the blog site. If you look at it carefully you won’t find one affiliate link or self promoting link on the site.
I stumbled upon this blog a while back and decided to find out why there was such an attack on this guy and what he was doing so wrong that it angered this many people. And while I don’t profess to be the foremost expert in SEO I am certainly not a rookie. The only reason I have the banner link on my website http://www.internationalwaterfromair.com for WMHaven is because i have used their services on two separate occasions and they delivered what they said they would do….very surprising, and not at ridiculous prices. However, I got the idea to begin creating a series of blogs so that the beginners could go back to the first one if they happened to stumble on 2 or 3 first and get some geniune information that would help them increase their knowledge and vocabulary before they fell vicitm to one of the all knowing gurus that tries to pay his house note off of 2,000 people he can get to sign up.
I also thought that since the people on here were angered enough that they may take a few moments check out the blog and help give it s jump start with a little traffic since Stevie Wonder could see that there was absolutely no self promoting or affiliate links, or false promises being made. My general purpose was to possibly get some of the energy being directed on this site at Ryan Deiss to maybe jumb start a blog series that may help beginners and new commers that had not yet fallen victim to his type a chance before they do.
So sue me if I am wrong for trying to help a few folks out. I know I have made my fair share of mistakes and lost quite a few dollars before I started to get some things right.
Asking for a little help from some of the people on this site to do does not make me public enemy number one or a bad guy. Just thought that a few might want to help somebody else too. Lets all spend countless energy bashing Ryan Deiss but how does that help anybody from falling vicitim to him?
But this doesn’t violate any first rule of SEO my friend. And if you aren’t for that is fine, but when the “The Salty Droid” dresses me down for it then I will respect the wishes of the Blog creator and at that time discontinue any attempts to request the help of the people of this site to do something good to help someone else. Any help or advise that you would be willing to render would be most appreciated.
GDN
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Snap Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
@greatdomainnow, You’re a douchebag. What’s wrong with you? Are you DAFT, or just a snake? You’re on a freaking CONSUMER blog, a place victims can come to for info or help, and you’re playing the self promotion game. Nothing stealth about it, slick boy! STILL burying your damn magical water extractor toy link inside your rants! What a fwad.
Oh, and I noticed you are NOW suddenly using some bullshit ‘green power’ link behind your name. You aren’t an altruist, you are a poser!
Go shove your blatant spam links up your ass, douchebag!
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Inbreeding should be illegal in GA Reply:
September 15th, 2010 at 9:21 am
@greatdomainnow, all that typing and you haven’t told us a thing. Your insecurities are showing you up.
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# 14 September 2010 at 1:29 pm

greatdomainnow said:
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Ok guys…I get the hint I will disappear….assholes like you are a dime a dozen in this world…sit around bash others…there’s not link bait on my you dumb shit…none of you read to well do you. So sit here and impress your selves about how talented each of you are…bash Ryan Deiss who cleaning house on these people while you’ll sit around patting yoursleves on the back and sroking each others cocks about how bad he is.
You don’t do shit to solve any problem with your petty little insults on here. Ryan Deiss this…Ryan Deiss that….try focusing your euridite energies somewhere where they might actually do some good. Half of you sound like a bunch of whinning jealous little bitches that are envious of him because you don’t have the wits, brains, ane wherewithall to do what he’s done. So let’s talk shit…that’s a real problem solver. And now you have me to attack…fucking losers….lets find people to attack because it will make us feel better about our own pathetic little lives.
Ryan Deiss doesn’t give a rats ass about this blog and what you guys write. He just keeps doing what he doing and this blog doesn’t change any of it. But you keep up the good work patting each other on the back seeing who can come up with the cutetest little bash today and impress each other with your quips and cliches….lol. Ryan runs to the bank and you run to this blog as if it will ever stop, hinder, or make a shitting bit of difference to anybody but the haters that plague this site and world.
So carry on good people, and now you have someone else to attack too. Lucky you. But the sad thing is that not one of you whether you an do better than what I am doing or not will do shit….because misery loves company and you feed off of each other…so keep it up…as a matter of fact I am going to start a Ryan Deiss Fan Club Now….hate that too you buch of negative never do anything but run your fucking mouths and contribute shit to the world assholes that some of you are.
Good day and I don’t give a rats ass what your resposes to this or anything else of mine you attack..So see how clever an attack on me you can launch now and stroke you little wheenies and finger bang your little VaJaJay’s…LOL.
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SD Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
@greatdomainnow ::
oh my goodness gracious … you should take three chill pills … or maybe two pills and one suppository.
What gave you the impression that you weren’t gonna to get griefed down here. Internet much?
You can promote your non sales stuff here … that’s fine with me {I didn’t click through}. But I think you kinda missed the point.
1. We aren’t hanging around bashing Ryan … this is an old post … just one page in the story book. Fuck Ryan. Stupid little troll is just a small part of a big monster.
2. I don’t know what the solution to this ginormous problem is … but I’m totally sure it’s not SEO.
Just let it go … try again another day. It’s a fuckin jungle out here.
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# 14 September 2010 at 2:13 pm

No Deiss said:
Yet another take on Mr. Ryan Deiss:
http://www.ppc.bz/making-money-online/ryan-deiss-discovers-traffic-glory-hole-volk-gets-lazy
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Monieslol Reply:
September 17th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
@No Deiss,
Bwha ha ha. “His new secret traffic source is FACEBOOK? The biggest website on the planet?…” Secrets out!
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# 14 September 2010 at 9:44 pm

Eliza Day said:
I actually stumbled upon Ryan’s schtick today. I noticed his blog didn’t have a page rank.
Things that make you go hmmmmm.
I like his Cherry Picker software, though. anybody know how accurate it is in terms of calculating backlinks and indexed pages?
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Rick Reply:
October 5th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
@Eliza Day, Forget Ryan’s lame cherry picking software. That’s just a cobbled-together toy for newbies. You can bet he probably just paid someone somewhere to slap it together for him (outsourced). If you want REAL software, this is WAY better (and very inexpensive): http://www.marketsamurai.com. This is exactly what the pros use (and probably Ryan himself, lol).
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# 5 October 2010 at 1:25 pm

Tyler Simpson said:
Great article and super funny as well! I love your smack down of Deiss. I almost felt sorry for him, but then I remembered that you are only exposing him and his dubious products. I almost dug deeper to buy his program thinking it would help me but thankfully I held off and boy I am glad I didn’t waste my money on yet another substandard IM product. I realise it is really about taking action and doing the hard yards even though my efforts haven’t paid off yet. Keep up the good work.
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# 7 October 2010 at 3:42 am

Sebastian said:
Ryan D’ohs
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# 18 October 2010 at 5:40 am

Andre Smit said:
Yes you are a scam. You tell us things that we already know. And then you say bad things about Google to try and lure us to purchasing your products.
SEO is hard work and you need to have new changing content and lots of it. When you have good content and new stuff, people will start linking to you.
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# 19 October 2010 at 5:29 pm

Basic Computer Training said:
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<a href="http://www.privatetraining.co.za&quot; basic computer training let’s see if this works!
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SD Reply:
October 19th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
@Basic Computer Training ::
This isn’t exactly the brightest place to do your link building is it?
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>basic computer training Reply:
October 19th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
@Basic Computer Training, I’m over here!
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>basic computer training Reply:
October 19th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
@>basic computer training, dangit! That was supposed to include the /a in the triangular brackets you left out. Another failed joke…
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# 19 October 2010 at 5:30 pm

Matthew Meyer said:
I agree with you that the gurus are over the top with their $2000. (I mean $1997. courses.) but they would not sell them if somebody was buying them. I see the top products on Clickbank in the IM niche are push button auto pilot, make money do nothing products. The rub is people just love that pitch. I try selling quality IM products that actually take work and thought to use and they are not such hot movers. I could do a mailing now for the push button auto pilot products and I am sure I’d sell a bunch.
I have seen some brilliant marketers who started putting out great informative products for reasonable prices give up and start selling the B.S. because the good stuff just was not selling. People do not always want what is good for them.
You could probably make a fortune just selling everything that is against Google’s terms of service. Guns, alcohol, firearms, porn, tobacco, prescription drugs.
Actually you seem to be good at SEO. Do you have a $2000. course to sell us? Is there anything you actually like?
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# 26 November 2010 at 10:10 am

Matt said:
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Actually Ryan Deiss just came out with an interesting course on mobile local marketing. He formula is teaming up with someone who is an expert in the industry. The course seems to be quite extensive, includes weekly coaching calls and is just $97. This seems like quite a bit of value to me and a smart formula.
There is something else. You do not always have to be a doer to be a teacher.
The former kicking coach for the Miami Dolphins was a paraplegic who had never kicked a ball but he was an expert in teaching others how to. My uncle was a shooting instructor in the Marines. He was great at teaching people how to shoot but lousy at doing it himself!
By the way you have done a great job of getting traffic to this blog. You should give a course.
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# 21 December 2010 at 6:59 am

masters in education said:
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Never heard of Ryan Deiss before this blog, but he seems lame as ever. There must be a requirement to be mentally retarded to join the IM ranks, because seriously, the least he could have done is pretend to actually use his own methods. Guess he underestimated people going to actually check on his work. Muhuahahaha. Reminds me of Perry Belcher’s Twitter Rockstar crap and let’s not forget Maria Andros’ video views on Youtube. No matter how cool these dumbos try to make themselves look, they just don’t quite get there and end up looking confused. Wondering for who Ryan Deiss is puckering up his lips to suck for?
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Oh Please Reply:
January 8th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
@masters in education, Wow what a dumb spam comment.
“Never heard of Ryan Deiss before this blog, but he seems lame as ever.”
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
You never heard of Ryan Deiss before, but he seems lame as “EVER?”
That’s like saying, “I’ve never seen someone before, but they look the same as they did last time I saw them.” Pathetic.
And this gem:
“Wondering for who Ryan Deiss is puckering up his lips to suck for?”
What does that even MEAN?
So after your last marathon spamathon here, you decided to come back here and read the bare minimum, for context, just so your spam comments don’t sound QUITE as spammy?
Didn’t work. What are you thinking? Do you like playing with matches?
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SD Reply:
January 8th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
@masters in webeducation ::
Funny.
Well that’s better than last time at least. Maybe you’re growing as a person.
Let me give you some consulting …
1. It’s not just the link that you want. You want to have links that people care about … and click on. Links that people are using … not just links.
2. I already let you have one … that’s the important one … additional links are of diminishing marginal utility. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand that if the best you could do in life was an M.Ed.
now you have no links … cause i broke all of um … something Eben Pagan could have done with his GED
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# 8 January 2011 at 2:40 pm

Ronny said:
Hi, getting your money back is not the issue. Every time someone gets scammed, he, or she loses faith in the Net and someone else, who is actually selling something that works, pays the piper.
I went online yesterday and invested in one of the $39.00 auto software schemes and was sent through four other pages where he tried to sell me items which would me, not the thousands he promised, but millions. I went “no thank-you” four times which directed me to the download page. It turned out to be the same page where I had started from. I am now trying to get the money back from Clickbank.
People like this should be removed for fraud.
Ronny
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# 15 January 2011 at 10:37 am

Leon said:
Here is Ryan Deiss’s marketing secret. He is going offline to find buyers for his products because he said his SEO techniques and being google slapped is cutting into his profits! Instead he is on Nextmark.com and finding lists of buyers so he won’t lose his millions of dollars. That’s right. I’m talking about postcard marketing. That paper you get in your mailbox. I’m not talking about email. So just chuck his products into the garbage.
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# 6 February 2011 at 8:07 pm

tim said:
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This is the most pathetic blog on the net, I can’t believe I wasted my time reading these comments of people who probably can’t even set up a web site let alone bash people for making things happen. None of you will make it with these types of attitudes. I pity the blog owner and his followers.
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Clark Reply:
March 8th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
@tim,
Absolutely right, none of us will ever make millions of dollars in “product” launches that involve selling overhyped IM-basics to desperate newbies.
Y’know, cause we got hearts. And a moral attitude is a pretty big handicap for joining the good ol’ boys-club.
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Chris Reply:
March 9th, 2011 at 1:09 am
@tim, Are you serious dude? You sound like an apologist for the scam bastards that operate with impunity. Thanks for showing whose side you are on.
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# 8 March 2011 at 11:57 am

WeatherTher said:
WOW! I search Ryan Deiss , found your site! top 3 please teach me SEO!
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# 9 March 2011 at 6:15 am

kz said:
dude are those highlighted AFFILIATE LINKS!????????????????
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# 10 March 2011 at 10:50 pm

Willando said:
I was surprised when P-traffic was released. going from $97/197 products to $1997!
It´s quite a jump. Been talking to much with Kerny:-)
I think his products from 09/early 2010 actually are good consideering the $97 price points.
Get one with your lives or quit please! :-)
W
p.s. Look! a bunny rabbit!
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SD Reply:
April 19th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@Willando ::
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Stop spending money until you do.
There are no $97 products :: those are lead gen into upsells and boiler rooms.
Welcome to the bottom feeding basement of life.
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# 18 April 2011 at 6:49 pm

Daryl said:
“His own version of What Would Jesus Do? :: only in this version Jesus is a hypocritical narcissistic sociopath who thrills on the suffering of others :: blessed be his name”… NO! Dumbass, that’s god. But jc tried to make it sound all good, so you’ve got a point I suppose. Now back to real life, who is ryan deiss and jesus anyway?
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# 17 June 2011 at 2:13 pm

Chris said:
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Organic SEO is effective for products or services that people are actively
searching for online. But it’s useless for a new product launch, such as Ryan Deiss’s Perpetual Traffic Formula – because no one knows about it, so won’t be searching for it.
Thus, Ryan Deiss is smart enough to have several other methods of generating traffic for his product. That doesn’t mean his product is B.S. You should assess that on the basis of what is actually in his product.
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Phil Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 5:54 pm
@Chris, No, you should assess based on how he presents his product, because that is the basis on which people paid for it. Many are buying it to emulate him, which is impossible, because what he is selling people is not how he makes his money. It is pure bullshit.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
June 24th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
@Chris, Ryan only has “one” method of generating traffic for his products. He gets his affiliate/friends to send promotional emails to their mailing lists. This is also how “they” generate traffic for their products.
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# 23 June 2011 at 1:52 am

Hero said:
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Once again, another BUTPLUG comment from the Salty DICK Droid. Your a fucking legend……In your own mind. Too bad you still live in your mothers basement. Its also too bad that your website gets so much traffic and you cant monetize any of it. Know why? Cause you have no fucking clue how to market anything other then your bowlshit thoughts of others. What kind of a fuckbag goes out and tries to tear down every internet marketer who’s ever been successful. Your just a sore loser and a total faggot!! Fuck off beochhh! I know where you live and so does my columbian friends who wouldn’t think twice about dropping by and leaving you a present.
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SD Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
@Hero ::
You don’t have any friends @JoshBoxer :: Colombian or otherwise …
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Clark Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
@SD,
Maybe he bought some (columbian) Facebook friends on Fiverr.
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Jake Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
@”Hero,” You must have thought real hard for hours (maybe days or weeks) to come up with your nickname, kind of like aspiring to be the opposite of what you really are. That said, welcome to the blog, asshole.
Oh, and making an incoherent, lunatic, pro-scammer comment after 350+ comments confirming that your douchebag idols truly suck…well, that’s also a sign of serious mental deficiency. Get that checked, asshole.
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# 29 August 2011 at 5:36 pm

Battlespeed said:
There’s a well-established circle-jerk consisting of about two dozen so-called gurus who make their money by hyping their so-called products, memberships, etc. to one another’s mailing lists and/or JV-ing with each other.
Among this circle of over-promisers, over-chargers and under-deliverers who make their money almost exclusively by abusing the trust of their list members, Ryan Deiss has risen to the exalted position of head jerk(er).
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# 11 September 2011 at 8:55 pm

Battlespeed said:
We all know that there’s a well-established circle-jerk consisting of about two dozen so-called gurus who make their money by hyping their so-called products, memberships, etc. to one another’s mailing lists and/or JV-ing with each other.
Among this circle of over-promisers, over-chargers and under-deliverers who make their money almost exclusively by abusing the trust of their list members, Ryan Deiss has risen to the exalted position of head jerk(er).
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# 11 September 2011 at 8:56 pm

Mike B. said:
Hi, I’ve been researching this topic for awhile and I must say the information is great. Thanks!
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# 6 December 2011 at 10:33 pm
Deconstructing Deiss: The King of Social Media Hype said:
[...] Deiss is a hypocrite. He sells products about the very things he says WON’T work for business. [...]
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# 20 March 2012 at 12:23 pm

tony said:
yeah ryan is a total phukbag kuntmuscle! i went out to an equity investors network meeting in san diego and tried talkig to him, even gave him a combat rescue coin and he just looked at it like it was no big deal! i was gonna bust his teeth out right then, but my partner and i just left and never looked back.
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Billy Ray Bupkis Reply:
June 11th, 2012 at 6:38 am
@tony, Well, that’s certainly a unique term of disparagement, and you said it twice, in stereo. I’d always just thought of Deiss as a plain-vanilla psychopath, but your description adds just the right extra touch.
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# 10 June 2012 at 10:45 pm

Richard Hackworth said:
I wish that I found this site soon. I just paid for his “Google Hack Report”. Only $7, then instead of taking me to the download page it goes straight to a video offering an upsell that cost $97 x 2 monthly payments to give you training ON THE EXACT TOPICS that he said were going to be in the “Google Hack Report”. Oh, and then my login for the Google Hack Report doesn’t even work.
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No Deiss Reply:
October 11th, 2012 at 2:02 am
@Richard Hackworth, Demand a refund from that hustler!
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Marlon Cruz Reply:
March 19th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Well, find people who are passionate about what they do – those who talk the talk and walk the walk.
Those people who will not insult your intelligence but rather take your hand, answer your questions in less than 24 hours, and open their books for you to see.
I have stopped subscribing to Ryan’s product info and launches a couple of years ago. And that is the best decision I have made.
Search for top caliber people who are true to their word – Jack Forde (or John Forde) of copywritersroundtable.com is one of my favorites in copywriting.
Another one is Sean D’Souza of psychotactics.com
Anything instant when you are starting is a red flag – instant traffic, instant money, instant riches – and you will see yourself going nowhere in an instant.
Great article you have here. Kudos!
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# 10 October 2012 at 5:09 am
Marketing - What the Heck is this One!!?? said:
[...] – What the Heck is this One!!?? Here we go and I believe this guy has it about right. Ryan Deiss Perpetual Traffic Accident Done and done. Okay … maybe just a little more … while we’re already on the [...]
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