The Greatest Douche in the World

Don Lapre's Imaginary Life

I want to tell you about The Greatest Vitamin in the World!!

Well :: I mean :: I don’t wanna tell you about the vitamins of course :: because you can just go buy some of those down at the store for like five bucks or whatever. No :: I’m talking about the opportunity to sell people on the opportunity to sell people on the idea that The Greatest Vitamin in the World is the key to future freedom from the reality of life’s realities.

It will only cost you whatever you happen to have :: and it might make you almost rich if you’re Donald Lapre … top turd in The Greatest Vitamin in the World turd pyramid. In June :: while I was busy with Death Ray being convicted of negligent homicide in an Arizona courtroom … Donald Lapre was being indicted in another Arizona courtroom on 41 counts of …

  • Mail Fraud
  • Wire Fraud
  • Conspiracy
  • Promotional Money Laundering
  • Transactional Money Laundering

… other fun stuff like that.

“This indictment goes to show that if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is,” said U.S. Attorney Dennis K. Burke. “Mr. Lapre used incessant nationally televised info-mercials to hawk his vitamins and worthless websites as a way to get rich quick without working hard. His scams swindled a sea of victims, but thanks to the efforts of the Postal Inspection Service and the IRS, he will face justice.”

If it sounds too good to be true :: it probably is … never heard that before. How about this instead Mr. FancyPants U.S. Attorney …

If it sounds too good to be true … IT SHOULDN’T BE INCESSANTLY FUCKING TELEVISED!!

Oh but that would put the blame on the sophisticated distribution channels :: and on the institutional incompetence :: that allow vulnerable citizens to be constantly flogged by blatant frauds. Easier to blame the victims who are somehow expected to understand that they are to be wary of open fraud in a venue where they are tyrannically protected from f-bombs and Janet Jackson’s nipples.

Don Lapre wasn’t always about vitamin opportunity opportunities … he used to be about 1-900 classified ad opportunity opportunities …

And before that he was about whatever the fuck this was supposed to be …

The Greatest Vitamin bullshit only lasted from 2003 until 2007 when the FDA notified Don that he’d been notified by the FDA. During those four years :: according to the indictment :: Donald Lapre relieved 225,000 people of $52 million dollars. It sounds like an assload :: but incessant television is expensive … so it’s likely that at least half of that money went to big media companies who are apparently not fit to judge when things are too good to be true.

Don’s make money with the classifieds programs were also too good to be true. The web archive captured Don’s lame excuses as that bullshit swindle imploded in June of 2002

Today, I am embarrassed and extremely upset over the way customers have been handled since I left back in February of 2000 !!! The company breached my contract which guaranteed customers would be handled correctly !!! This has destroyed my name and likeness in ways I can’t imagine would have ever even been allowed by law !! My name and likeness is being used on hundreds of products and services sold currently and is now controlled in a way which makes customers upset at me directly when they are not  handled correctly !!!

After Greatest Vitamin imploded … Don suddenly founded himself a NutraForia opportunity

… that didn’t work out because pyramid schemes never work out.

So Don tried to be a video boss on them new fangled Internets …

… fail.

Just a few months before his arrest Don Lapre had a really great idea for a business :: you give him 3% of your gross sales … and he says thank you very much {or not}.

But no :: it wasn’t to be :: Don was indicted in early June and was scheduled to appear for his arraignment on June 22 … the day of Death Ray’s conviction. Unlike Death Ray … fucking idiot Don Lapre no-showed. That was totally cool with the Federal Court :: except that a warrant was issued for his arrest and the U.S. Marshals were sent to hunt his sorry ass down.

They found him :: he’d been hiding out in a gym bathroom … like any smart criminal {or fungus} would. The Phoenix NewTimes

But when federal agents stopped the car Lapre was in, near Warner Road and Interstate 10 in Tempe, they found the marketing guru suffering from deep, self-inflicted knife wounds to his thigh and groin.

The U.S. Marshals Service believes the vitamin peddler had been trying to hit his femoral artery in order to bleed out and commit suicide. The ultimate method of eluding capture.

Deputy marshals (one of whom was a paramedic) tended to his wounds and transported Lapre to an area hospital, according to U.S. Marshal for Arizona David Gonzales.

If you can’t do the time :: don’t do the crime … or do do the crime and then stab yourself in the leg with a knife not big enough to do the job like a pansy ass drama queen who I’m sure will do great in prison with all the other pansy ass drama queens … or wait.

Before Don went down in a blaze of pathetic :: he left a small tribute to himself on his website

I tried to create the best product on earth, paid out millions, made very little trying to make it a success, had attorneys review my entire company, paid out millions in refunds, tried to make the commission and products better every single year, and in spite of all that, I have been accused of something I did not do. I did not have the perfect company but never once did I allow one thing to be done that would violate any law. Nevertheless, because the majority of people did not make money, in spite of everyone of them being able to make as many $1000 checks as they wanted, I am left to fight a battle that will for sure destroy what energy I have left inside… I hope the pictures below motivate you to take a chance in life and try to do the impossible…

Good story … so poignant.

If only those 225,000 lazy good-for-nothings {with identical websites shilling identically useless frauducts} would have tried a little harder not to disappoint Don Lapre and his infinite $1000 checks.

The pictures Don left to motivate us are like real estate agent photos of a couple of uber-fancy houses that no one running a home based business would ever be able to afford …

… and then a bunch of old pictures of his kids … including some super personal naked bath type pictures. Exactly the sort of thing any good father would put up on the Internet as an exploitative “defense” to a 41 count felony indictment.

Don Lapre :: criminally bad business man … criminally bad father.

I’m sure that we’re all very happy that has-been Don Lapre has finally stabbed himself in the leg. But you can turn on the television right now and see hillbilly asshole Anthony Morrison talking about making easy millions online … and then go listen to how that ends. Flip the channel a couple of times to see Dean Graziosi talking about making easy millions with real estate … same ending.

Jeremy Johnson has been arrested :: but The Alliance lives on :: and if you want to read about it you have to look at the same sort of ads that got Jeremy Johnson arrested. James Arthur Ray has been convicted :: but it took two years {and counting} and we waited until he killed people.

I guess effective enforcement :: or god forbid actual justice :: are just a couple more of those too-good-to-be-trues I hear so much about.

>> bleep bloop

236 thoughts on “The Greatest Douche in the World”

  1. {first!}

    But seriously … Don Lapre is in the Top 10 classic infomercial scammers of all time!

    They don’t get much scammier than this scuzz ball, and I feel like I’ve followed this fool’s “career” since I was just a wee lad.

    I think I maybe even bought into his 1-900 number or Make Money in Classifieds or something when I was like 12 years old. My first & last Make Money product purchase {hello internet piracy — IRC days FTW!}

    It was Don Lapre that originally turned me on to this whole world of scammer guys selling ridiculous bullshit “BizOpps” on the TV.

    So I guess you could say Don Lapre soul-raped my scam-virginity.

    Reading this post is like a trip down scammer memory lane, @SD … all I can say is “Damn! Mass marketed fraud has come a long way in the last 15 years!”

    Don Lapre is like a fucking scam dinosaur … Vitamin MLMs??? Slitting your femoral arteries???

    Sounds like Don never made it out of 1997 after all.

    1. @Doctor Mario, He killed himself because he felt that he needed to take care of his family… He had a very large life insurance policy that will take care of his family for life……. ASSHOLE…. don’t be a hater!!!!!!

      1. @Sabrina, everyone knows life insurance policies are not paid out on people who commit suicide. I’m sorry you are in pain over this, but if you look at his track record, the more likely explanation is that he was too much of a coward to face the truth of what he’s guilty of doing to others.

        1. @Shorty,

          Yes, the truth hurts, doesn’t it? I was almost feeling sorry for him when I read about his demise, but then I think of all the people he scammed, and lives he ruined, and how many of them took their own lives because of him?

          Unfortunately, if James Arthur Ray doesn’t get some serious jail time, he is only going to get worse and do more harm to more people, only he will try harder not to get caught — I have to say I would not feel sorry if I heard he had taken his own life — only thing is he IS too much of a coward to do that.

        2. @Shorty, actually, some insurance policies do pay in the event of suicide, if they are over 2 years old. you have to read the contract.

  2. It seems like there’s a new one every day. Just yesterday there was an infomercial selling the secrets to becoming a bazillionaire on ebay. I only had time to watch two minutes of it, but one person who bought the magic book of secrets apparently made $80,000+ and one made over $100,000.

    Also, I wonder why Don Lapre didn’t remember he had any children when he came up with his brilliant plan to live life as a bathroom fugitive. Or while he was trying to kill himself.

    1. @what??, Why is it so hard for the masses to figure out the business models that work? If the shit they are selling you actually worked, they would be working those systems NOT selling them for $29,95. Geeeez, you’d have to be either monumentally dumb or monumentally greedy to fall for that. I agree that the media is to blame – they have consumer protection programmes but then the follow them by commercials – you cannot make this up!

      1. @Bo ::

        Why is it so hard for you to understand how easy it is for people not to understand? It’s kinda the point of the whole fucking blog and all the fucking posts … so you know …. are you monumentally dumb or something?

        Don’t answer … just go back to patting yourself on the back in front of the mirror.

          1. @Donk ::

            I think it’s more about saving the people from deceitful assholes incessantly conning & scamming everyone under the guise of “real” business …

            … especially when said scammers (re: Don Lapre) have the implied consent & support of trusted major networks who knowingly broadcast liez in exchange for moneyz.

            1. @Doctor Mario, Even the most ridiculously ignorant people alive can see through that bullshit. Obama pitches his nonsense on TV too, but that doesn’t mean I believe a word he says. Anybody that thinks to themselves that something must be legit because it is on TV is a moron.

      2. @Bo,

        You are practicing the time honored (and boring) custom of appearing wise after the fact and blaming the victim.

        Did the people that signed up for this crap do something stupid? Yup.

        Have I personally done things that were equally* as stupid as this? Yup.

        Have you? If you are honest with yourself, then probably you have.

        * I haven’t bought crap from one of these peddlers or from the new breed of IM-MMOers. But I have trusted people I shouldn’t have and been burned by it. It’s always obvious after the fact. Hind sight is 20/20. I think P.T. Barnum said “there’s a sucker born every minute.” But the thing is, nearly any or anyone that hasn’t already had the experience of being screwed over is a sucker.

        I could be wrong, but I believe what @SD is trying to say something like this: look everyone makes mistakes and trusts when they shouldn’t and gets burned, sure. But notice how many, many people are making money off of it. Is that in any way a good, just or fair system?


        Furry cows moo and decompress.

        1. @Wyrd,

          Just wanna Echo. I remember being a kid watching these fucking LsPre videos and wishing I could make it bigtime like these bastards.

          imagine that. A generation of people who GREW UP with this shit as their late night TV after they came back from their high school dances and first experiments with weed. Impressionable much? I know I fucking was.

          I worked in direct sales for years because I thought that was the path towards fame and riches. Never bought a LaPre book, but came close to on a million occasions. (maybe I would have converted if Billy Mays was pitching.. love my OxyClean).

          All I’m saying is back off the fucking victims. Being uninformed is not the uninformed’s problem. This message just needs enough signal strength so that more and more people awaken to the idea that:

          YOU CAN’T MAKE MONEY ONLINE..!!!

          (or with tiny classifed ads)

          -JT

          1. @JustinTime,
            Wow you are the definition of a hater… enjoy your 9-5 miserable life. People like you will never make a million dollars.

            1. @LOL,

              I think you’re commenting on the wrong thread. This is the one about the guy who got caught, convicted and sadly killed himself. Wrong place to gloat, I’m afraid.

              Come back and tell us when you’ve made your first million BTW.

            2. @LOL,
              There are several people making millions of dollars per year online legitimately. Most of you fail to realize that the people salty is going after are pretty much all making millions of dollars. There is money to be made online.. legitimately and illegitimately.

              Working a 9-5 job is out-dated and most of the trolls here love to hate these people out of pure jealously.

            3. @charlie,

              I’m real glad you can sleep at night and that your conscience is clear — enjoy it, it won’t last long.

            4. @LOL,

              People like you will never make a million dollars.

              Actually, a person working 9-5 from age 22 to age 65 and earning just $12.79 per hour would make a million dollars in wages alone, not even factoring in investments.

              I do take comfort in the idea that people like me will never botch a suicide attempt while hiding from the U.S. Marshals in a 24-hour gym or successfully kill ourselves in jail, though. So thanks for that. I will enjoy it.

              @charlie
              Names and URLS, please? Non-IM/MMO businesses need not apply. We all know Amazon and Zappos are real, legitimate businesses.

      3. @Bo,

        Some of the most itellignet, reasoned and thoughtful comments on this site come from people who have fallen for one of these scams. I’ve been lucky (as it seems have you) because none of these scams have pushed my buttons when I’m at a low ebb…but I can see exactly how it can happen. I was perilously close to drinking the Third Tribe’s Kool-Aid when I found this site…so I count myself lucky, rather than congratulating myself on how “clever” I might be. Perhaps you’d like to reconsider your position?

        1. @charlie,

          I’m real glad you can sleep at night and that your conscience is clear — enjoy it, it won’t last long.

          1. @Bonnie,
            Your welfare won’t last forever Bonnie. Get off your ass, stop eating bon bons and govt. cheese and go get a miserable 9-6 job. :)

            1. @Bonnie’sWelfare,

              Thank you, but I am retired — but I did work all my life and some of my jobs may have been miserable, but at least I wasn’t — I was contributing to society and happy to do so — but you probably wouldn’t know how to do that.

  3. This is definitely one of the longest-running scammers out there, along with Trudeau. Carlton Sheets, too. Classics of crap.

    The more you read here the more you come to realize @SD is right. And it’s confusing, at first. But crystal clear if you study his posts (a LOT of them) and follow at least some of the comments.

    If Lapre was making $30,000-50,000 a week from his tiny ads…why on earth is he spending (and risking) so much money to run ads selling you a $39 package (marked down to $29 — hurryz) telling you how he does it?

    Every one of the “you can, too” guys is guilty of the same broken logic. Revealing ALL your secrets (even if you ever were successful yourself, forgetting about all the scammers who make up shit about their first successes), makes the techniques that are making you all that money LESS effective.

    This is why you see so many comments here about people not making much money doing what they tell you they can help you make loads of money doing. If they DID actually do it themselves, they are NOT selling you their secrets that work today. They’ve moved on to more effective methods and now want to pick up a TON of bucks selling their “systems” and “strategies” that no longer work…because they don’t care if you know them now.

    That is…if they’re not simply lying about their past successes in the first place.

    Nice restropective on Lapre that brings up up to date. I’m a little surprised he didn’t try to sell the cops the knife he used on himself. “Look! It REALLY cuts FLESH and you can too!”

    1. @Poop Chute,

      I bought Carlton Sheet’s no money down real estate CD series at a garage sale for $5 a few years ago.

      The fact that they were selling something for $5 that they originally paid good coin for should have been my first clue. :-\

      It must have been geared for the US banking laws that led to the 2008 meltdown because it was the biggest load of outlandish high risk crap I had ever heard.

      The banks here in Canada would laugh at anybody following his advise (mercifully saving the unicorn chasers from themselves).

      I can’t imagine how painful it must have been for anyone south of the border that was allowed to chase that unicorn with subprime lending and then got caught in the credit crunch/real estate blood bath.

  4. “Easier to blame the victims who are somehow expected to understand that they are to be wary of open fraud in a venue where they are tyrannically protected from f-bombs and Janet Jackson’s nipples.”

    That’s one of the most pathetic truths about American TV and the culture of which it is a part.

    I always thought Don Lapre was one of the smarmiest, most obnoxious little hustledorks in Infomercial Land. (And hiding out in the boy’s room = shades of the Wanker of Oz, David Squirmer.)

    But oh, what to do now that we can’t buy Donny’s great vitamins? I guess there’s always Kevin Trudeau’s Daily Life’s Essentials (The Supplement System That The Nutritional Industry Doesn’t Want YOU To Know About!). You can wash ’em down with a bottle of GIN.

    1. @Cosmic Connie,

      I wanted to salute that same quote. It’s a great point that needs to be brought up often- not just about the commentary on TV, but the victim blaming culture, because of course the one doing the blaming would NEVER be stupid/weak/conned like that.

      Kevin Trudeau has also thrown his endorsement to the HCG weight loss plan. Google at the risk of your own disgust- it’s another one of those things They Don’t Want You To Know About.

      Anyone here old enough to remember Equinox? A co-worker tried to get me to buy some energy supplements “wholesale” through them. Which meant sitting through a meeting with a film presentation about water and the need to purify it. The film was narrated by Kenny Loggins, poor schmuck. I walked out when they started talking about prizes, which included a week long “retreat” at Mr. Gouldd’s ranch, and continued to buy my supplements at the local co-op. I do wonder what William Gouldd is up to now- he’s one of the few that was prosecuted, but I don’t think he actually had to do jail time.

      Nice vacation home shot, anyway. Does it come with the Droid, or is that an upsell?

      1. @Silver Agave, Good points. As you noted, Salty’s quotation is also a commentary on the victim-blaming culture at large.

        Some people have said I’ve come close to victim-blaming at times because I’ve said that I think people should just automatically assume that the hustledorks are all scammers. And sometimes I’ve wondered how in the hell people can fall for some of the crap they see on infomercials. But beyond the fact that the hucksters are master salesmen, I know that’s it’s easy for me to have this perspective since I have the advantage of my cynicism, which took me YEARS to develop.

        Moreover, when I think about how many laws and regulations are in place for consumer protection — laws to protect us from every sort of harm imaginable — I realize how easy it is for many people to assume that some of those laws would prevent the worst scammers from advertising on TV.

        But as we know, that’s not necessarily the case.

        The infomercial scammers find all kinds of ways around the laws, and even if they’re nailed by enforcement agencies, some of them still manage to slither through loopholes (e.g., True-dough was banned from doing infomercials about certain scams for several years, but during that time period he continued to run infomercials for some of his other scams).

        Sometimes the infomercial hucksters do respond to shame and embarrassment (and possibly to fear of legal repercussions); some of y’all may recall an incident earlier this year when Mr. Fire’s favorite Gorgeous Fitness Model, Jennifer Nicole Lee, got “skewered” by ABC 20/20 reporters. Shortly after she was grilled by them, she toned down some of the claims on her infomercial products.

        But by and large, the scammers are still scamming, and the Debbies of the world are sinking all of their hopes and dreams and life savings into crap.

        And yeah, True-dough has been blabbing about the hCG diet (or his version thereof) for years, and he even got Joe Vitale and his buddy Pat O’Bryan excited about it. Both Joe and Pat went on a version of this diet (several times, collectively), and raved on their respective blogs about how well it worked — but it’s just not a sustainable weight-loss plan for most people, including them, apparently.

        I hadn’t heard of Equinox but there have been so many celebrity-endorsed scams over the years that it’s almost impossible to keep up with all of them.

      2. @Silver Agave,

        I was WAAY neck deep into Equinox in the mid-late 90’s.

        Actually went bankrupt after charging about $45,000 on credit cards. I was talked into opening an “office” etc.

        I went to all of the offered AMS trainings…

        As to your Mr. Gouldd questions (BTW–he has a brother named Steve Gould –one d –Bill Gouldd said a spiritual advisor advised him to add the second d.) He had most of his possessions seized with the exception of…SECTION VIII B. Page 13 http://www.ftc.gov/os/2000/04/equinoxord.pdf

        No jail time.

        In recent years he put up a billgouldd.com website to set the record straight about what ‘really” happened in equinox.

        And I beleive it was last year he launched his new “opportunity” -well, I guess he was not-involved if you listen to him– set up by his new wife (and former Equinox rep)….I was confused as shit by the pitch. I think it has something to do with merchant processing accounts. http://www.theagmsopportunity.com/

        Turns out, he asked the FTC to pre-approve his new thing.

        Anyway, that’s what’s up with Bill Gouldd.

        1. @Michael L Johnson Is A Douchebag,

          Ouch! That’s terrible. The person I knew was going down a similar road- she had a whole garage full of water purifiers and cases of god knows what. Her housemates were in the process of evicting her because they couldn’t park cars in the garage anymore.

          I did go and read the Bill Gouldd page(not the one you have there) where he whined about how he and everyone close to him lost everything they had due to the greed of upper level sales people. I had to stop reading, because when I see a crocodile cry I get really pissed off.

          1. @Silver Agave ::

            They always cry too :: cause it’s in the DNA of these psychotics …

            James Ray to Ginny Brown :: “This is the worst thing that’s ever happened to me.”

            Oh I’m sorry dick :: my daughter just got fucking murdered.

            One thing we could do is put them all in cages :: or another thing we could do …

            … put them all in cages.

          2. @Silver Agave,

            That Equinox experience took years off my life.

            I originally got involved because of the products (which I thought were good regardless), and the enviro message (looong before eco-[insert word here] was co-opted by every Corp on the planet…smart marketing back then).

            I learned a lot of important lessons…

            I remember sitting in one of the Basic Building Blocks trainings,and hearing Gouldd or some other trainer say that there were two kinds of people who got involved in Equinox: 1. for the products/message
            2. for the money

            He then asked the audience… “How many of you are in group 1? Group 2?”

            He then said “I’ll take the money group over the products group any day.”

            Looking around the room, I thought “Oh shit.” (I was a products/message guy).

            Mea culpa, though.

            I also learned that people in survival mode will lie, cheat, steal, manipulate and abuse your ass…

            Equinox pushed thousands of people into survival mode…just like the Syndicate and B-team etc.

            Before my friend turned me onto Salty, I used to tell him that the IM crap was the new MLM. The Syndicate buds are the founders/upline and everyone else is the downline…translation…everyone else gets fucked.

            I do have to admit that I”m ambivalent about saying something like “It was all a waste, I didn’t learn anything.”

            Because, really, I did learn that people you think are you friends will abandon you, turn on you etc. when money is involved.

            It hardened me for sure. I don’t trust anyone in business anymore. I follow this simple dogma:

            Assume everyone is trying to fuck you over…because if you don’t, getting fucked over is exactly what will happen.

            Did I steal that from Glengarry Glen Ross ? (best movie ever, and required viewing for anyone in business/sales/MLM etc.)

            1. @Michael L Johnson Is A Douchebag,

              Wow, Mr MLJIAD. Bill Gouldd’s croco tears disgust me even more after reading your details. It’s sad that your booby prize from all of this is that you can recognize a scam and know that everyone is trying to fuck you over. They could have given you a parting gift of a Unicorn pinata. I hope that you can earn some of those years back by telling people what you went through, and at very least, you do connect the dots about IM quicker than others.

              And a small correction- it was the billgouldd.com site where I was reading and seeing his crocodile tears. Especially loathsome are the sections for videos, which I haven’t watched, with titles like “Why Dig Up The Past” and “Who Is Your Influence.”

              Cages might be too good for these psychopaths.

  5. I remember seeing this guy’s commercials talking about how he made all this money out of his “tiny one bedroom apartment” way back when. At the time, I lived in a tiny one bedroom apartment and thought “if he can do it, so can I.” He was one of the first people that I fell for.

    I fell for Carlton Sheets too. I spent close to $200 on his real estate course only to realize that there was no way that what he was doing could work. I even talked to a couple of real estate agents who told me the course was crap, among other things.

    Was it stupid of me to believe these people? Yes, absolutely.

    These people were on TV and surely (I thought) the TV company would have to vet whatever they were advertising. If they didn’t vet it, they’d be guilty by association, if not an outright a co-conspirator for allowing a fraudulent commercial to air. At least, that’s what I thought at the time.

    1. @Rafael Marquez, You bring up a good point about consumer expectations of “vetting” or the lack thereof. For a lot of people, simply the fact that an ad appears within a publication, television program, or web site they trust gives it the appearance of implied endorsement.

      Some (mostly what many would call “old school”) media do actually research their advertisers and require sample products for evaluation before they will publish an ad. Those, however, are few and far between.

    2. @Rafael Marquez,

      These people were on TV and surely (I thought) the TV company would have to vet whatever they were advertising. If they didn’t vet it, they’d be guilty by association, if not an outright a co-conspirator for allowing a fraud…

      Yeah, it’s almost criminal the way the folks who run TV companies promote the most absurd things without vetting them in the slightest. Then, after all the ‘victims’ are convinced that what’s being promoted is the just what they’ve been ‘hoping’ for, the rest of us are stuck with it for the next 4 or 8 years!

  6. Thank God there’s still Melaleuca for your MLM vitamin needs. And Usana and Shaklee, they might still be in business. If you need fake, overpriced, worthless vitamins and you need them NOW I’d advise one of those three companies.

    1. @Barbara, isn’t Tim Ferriss into the vitamin biz too?

      He doesn’t seem to directly sell people on it MLM-style, but he insinuates that anyone can start up a similar set-it-and-forget-it business and live the dream.

      1. @hrmmm, Tim Ferris sold a product called “Brain Quicken.” It was just a generic vitamin supplement that he branded, and I assume he had a fulfillment house do the shipping. He has since unloaded that “enterprise.”

        However, when his dubious book was first published, I checked out the web site for “Brain Quicken.” I am firmly convinced that he earned NO significant money from that product at all. You would think differently from reading his “book.”

        Here is an early archive for that web site:

        http://web.archive.org/web/20010721021326/http://www.brainquicken.com/

        He is the classic “turn non-successes into a book” kind of guy.

        To say I think “zero” of Tim Ferris is the understatement of the century. Any time I see actual bullshit on the ground, be it cow pies or dog turds, it makes me think of Tim Ferris. On the other hand, it’s probably unfair to bullshit to be lumped in with Tim Ferris.

        1. @Joe, if you lump bullshit with Tim Ferris, he will measure and weigh it and then write a chapter about it in “The Four-Hour Body.”

          By “will” I mean “did.”

      2. @hrmmm,

        Many people are quickly figuring out that Ferris is more than a little full of shit.

        His whole ‘angle’ is short cuts exist…

        1. @, I skimmed Tim Ferris’ book at a used book store when it came out (sure wouldn’t pay for it). One story he was proud of stands out in my mind. He talked about winning a wrestling competition. Did he do it “fair and square?” No, he didn’t.

          What Tim did was to first go on a diet/fast to rapidly decrease his weight just enough to drop into the next lower weight class. That way, he would not have to compete against people in his own class like any normal person would.

          Then, during the competition, instead of actually “wrestling,” Tim focused on just pushing his competitor OFF the mat. That’s because when someone steps off the mat, it is a technical disqualification. So here is Tim, just trying to shove someone off the mat, and that’s his idea of competing in “wrestling.” What was the point? Just to “win” a competition where “winning” wasn’t really “winning.”

          That’s just a small sampling of his thinking. What else did he NOT admit in his book that he did to fool the world into thinking he is a “success” TODAY? That’s the question everyone should be asking.

          People that buy into that type of thinking are asking for the return of the “anything goes” wild west, where the same thing can be done to them.

          Imagine if everyone thought like that.

          That would mean we’d all be spending half our time trying to figure out how to game other people, and the other half of the time worrying about other people gaming us.

          What a nightmare world that would be.

          1. @Scott, that part of his book really stuck with me too. I didn’t even end up finishing it because of that. It seems like such a stupid thing to do but it does show EXACTLY how he views life. For others in that competition it was about honing their craft and becoming experts (or close to it). the challenge and hard work with the potential to win the match was, in part, its own reward. Then in walks Ferris and just starts shoving people like a great ape. The only thing he wanted was to be able to SAY he won a championship. But the title is meaningless. the guy didn’t know a thing about the fighting style.

            now hmmmmm, why does that type of thinking and behavior sound familiar? Oh yes! online gurus!

    2. @Barbara,

      Yes, those are all still around. One of my friends who’s now sucked into MMO scams has been “selling” both Melaleuca and Usana for years. (It’s in quotes because I don’t think much selling has happened.) One is never enough, and they obviously lead to harder stuff.

      When I realized no money would be forthcoming from a client (because it had all gone to Mark Victor Hansen), I accepted a Shaklee AirSource as partial payment. The device . . . does very little.

      Of course those two people already knew each other (from Landmark Forum), and when the person in paragraph two invited the person in paragraph one to a Mona Vie recruiting event, I tagged along to see WTF it was all about. I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but if the bizopp pitch is all about private jets and nothing to do with the actual product, run!

      1. @Lanna, ooooo, Landmark Forum. This is another one I love. Some of the creepiest shit I’ve ever heard comes from people who’ve done LF.

        1. @hrmmm, I’m interested to know what you’ve heard about the Landmark Forum. I actually took it on the advice of my friend who said he loved it. I very sheepishly admit to having done not only the initial forum seminar but also the second in that series. I was signed up for the third one and realized that it was totally crazy and not how I wanted to spend my time. (or money).

            1. @stoic,

              Thanks for that link. I see there’s stuff on Landmark (of course) and est, but there’s also a thread confirming my suspicions about Wright Leadership Institute, which is the latest thing my friend in paragraph one (above) is hooked on. I got sucked into a free event at WLI about using LinkedIn – LGAT meets IM. Grrr.


  7. tyrannically protected from f-bombs and Janet Jackson’s nipples

    I remember that day….I saw that “wardrobe malfunction”…It was horrible…I was calling friends and family for support, but the circuits were overloaded, and my calls didn’t get through…fast busy, after fast busy, after fast busy…

    I was trying to keep Jeffrey Skilling [[our cat]] calm [[animals can just sense when tragedy will strike…it’s almost magical]]…my wife was out at the time…I had no idea if she heard about what happened on the radio…and the shock made her veer off the road and die in a fiery wreck…

    I heard the talking out in the hall [[yeah…condo…were YUT’s…it’s like YUP’s without the P…young urban trash…fuck off universal…this is my recollection, and I won’t be taking no shit channeling from you today…universal is fucking with you…were YUNT’s…it’s only near trash]]….I went to join the crowd in the hall…infanterly’s were crying…the olderly’s just kept repeating “how could this happen on network…how could this happen on network” [[they were clearly shaken…not stirred]]…the local psychic came out and we all went to talk to her [[at times like that…you need clarity that can only be gotten from the paranormalists…she claimed to have predicted it]]

    [[flashback]]

    [[two days earlier in the elevator]]

    _cman_- Hey Miss Cleo…what’s new
    MCleo – I’m seeing a great tragedy
    _cman_- serially…do you ever see anything butt tragedy
    MCleo – NO

    [[/flashback]]

    [[thinking – Ohhh my gawd….this was not a butt tragedy…she did predicted it with 100% accuracy]]….

    [[cue soft background music – beatles – let it be]]

    We talked…we hugged…and we reflectered on the fact that people [[for the most part]] are kept safe from rogue nipples on network television…people may be deceivered by the likes of Graziosi…they may be cheatered by the likes of Johnson..they may be promised unobtainabull riches by the likes of Lapre & Morrison [[not jim]] …but NO nipple..I repeat….NO NIPPLE…shall be exposed on network television without severe consequences. PNA’s [[private nippular areas]] shall remain sacred…so sayeth NBC…proud as a peacock

    [[serially NBC…we need to talk…that tagline is unacceptable…perhaps you meant…proud as a bird with green colored plumage…you hypocritical second-syllable-of-a-green-colored-plumage-bird suckers]]

    all seriousness aside…

    Hey Michael Ellsberg [[dances with “millionaires”]]…did you know Lapre was neither a college graduate….but a high school dropout also….I hope you featured him in your book-o-fraud [[I’m talking about your fraud friends…not the people you mentioned with talent…who you peppered in there in order to give the book an air of legitimacy]]…

    I kind of wondered your motivation, until I read this…

    Most people wouldn’t dream of opening a designer wellness center, charging $500 per hour to coach VIP corporate clients on weight loss….[[sneep]]…

    Unless you’re my wife, Jena la Flamme. Then you do it without even having an undergraduate degree

    Jena dropped out of college her junior year to travel around India for two years…[[sneep]]…You can get a great real-world education traveling around India on $3,000 a year, which is far cheaper than most colleges.)

    http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2011/09/29/8-steps-to-getting-what-you-want-without-formal-credentials/#more-6103

    And what better education for a weight-loss coach then traveling around India…If I travel around Pakistan…I could be a medical coach….

    _cartman_ Co.D. [[that’s a Doctor of coaching…for the noobs…it requires extensive reading of eBooks or extensive traveling in third world countries…we must adhere to these strict standards so our profession means something…we have to nip these wannabes [[who don’t want to do the extensive work required for a title of such high honors]] in da bud!!…nip dem in da bud!!…otherwise all of us with serious CoD’s will face a crisis of unprecedented proportions…as our titles will come to mean absolutely nothing [[please sign the petition on the way out]]…and this crisis is being foreshadowed by my celebrity numerologist…she’s the noteourdumbass of the 21st century…so it could happen…it could]]

  8. This is all disgusting, but I have to digress for just one moment: what is up with the insane couch in the pic on his website? It looks like a Sumo wrestler mated with a futon and that gray, bulbous sofa was the offspring. I am disturbed by so much about this man…

  9. This is “how to get rid of gurus” when they try to sell you crappy shitty products(lets use the a scammer named Shane Nathan):

    Step1: Recieve the offer
    http://i53.tinypic.com/2e158k8.jpg

    Step2: trick them and make them think you actually believe they are great gurus and stuff like that
    http://i56.tinypic.com/200ph84.jpg
    http://i55.tinypic.com/2h4xldh.jpg
    http://i54.tinypic.com/29xw4r6.jpg

    Step3: When they try to get your credit card number through the gmail chat tell them to f*ck off.
    http://i52.tinypic.com/12196s5.jpg

    Rinse and repeat with the next WSOs seller, guru etc.

    By the way, Shane Nathan if you are reading this, FUCK YOU! racist prick!

    1. @How to get rid of GURUS in 3 simple steps ::

      It’s not a FIVER … it’s a SIXER … oy!

      And just to make sure he gets full credit for being a scammer … and calling you a spic …

      It’s Shane Natan not Shane Nathan

      http://shanenatan.info/

      Right Shane?

      I’m sure he appreciates that correction.

      No problem … that’s what I’m here for.

    2. @How to get rid of GURUS in 3 simple steps,

      Is this serious?

      I am Shane N. and I have a great reputation online for helping people with my coaching program as well as my various websites. I have thousands of testimonials and you won’t find ONE thing out there on the net about me being a scammer! Just because you have a vendetta against people who are ACTUALLY successful, doesn’t mean you have to defame those who are actually legit.

      I’ve worked incredibly hard to keep my great reputation and I help people daily, as well as over-deliver in the process. What does your post above prove? Nothing. I offered to build you a website, you acted like you were interested only to say “F**K YOU” at the very end. You purposely tried to make me upset, probably so you could come right to this blog and post this. LOL. Seems like you might be someone with no life and a hatred for successful internet marketers… NOT the victim of any sort of scam. You will be hearing from my lawyers regarding defamation of character.

    3. @How to get rid of GURUS in 3 simple steps,

      @How to get rid of GURUS in 3 simple steps,

      Is this serious?

      I am Shane N. and I have a great reputation online for helping people with my coaching program as well as my various websites. I have thousands of testimonials and you won’t find ONE thing out there on the net about me being a scammer! Just because you have a vendetta against people who are ACTUALLY successful, doesn’t mean you have to defame those who are actually legit.

      I’ve worked incredibly hard to keep my great reputation and I help people daily, as well as over-deliver in the process. What does your post above prove? Nothing. I offered to build you a website, you acted like you were interested only to say “F**K YOU” at the very end. You purposely tried to make me upset, probably so you could come right to this blog and post this. LOL. Seems like you might be someone with no life and a hatred for successful internet marketers… NOT the victim of any sort of scam. You will be hearing from my lawyers regarding defamation of character.

      1. @S.N.,

        LOL! Have you tried googling “Shane Natan scam”?! Even other Internet marketers say you stole their money.

          1. @S.N., and what makes any of your testimonials any more valid? You said, “you won’t find ONE thing out there on the net about me being a scammer!” (your emphasis). Maybe in Internet marketer world making overblown false claims is the norm, but in the real world we call that lying. Take the hit, scammer.

            1. @Shorty and Yakaru,

              Interesting. Then by your logic you must not believe the “bad” testimonials either. So seeing live comments from real people that say they’ve benefited from my services STILL isn’t worth bollocks to you. Oh well. There will always be haters. I wasn’t even aware of those posts on the Black Hat forum, those customers never came to ME with problems, I doubt they were even students of mine, probably competitors trying to beat me out!

              Fact stands that I am a successful IM’er who helps others with their online businesses. All those people from all different parts of the world who posted positive reviews about my services are not and could not possibly be my employees and I am appalled that this conversation is even occurring.

              I’ve never scammed anyone, never will. You can only screw someone once, and I’d rather make a customer for life. That’s why I’ve been running a legitimate online business for over 4 years with no problems and 99.9% customer satisfaction. You can’t make everyone happy! Not in any business.

              If you dealt with as many clients as I have you’d understand exactly what I am talking about. Have you ever been to a restaurant where there are customers who seem like they are just utter nightmares? It happens in every business, but it’s definitely less than 1% of my business and for that I am thankful.

              People give their honest reviews online and I have thousands of glowing reviews and LESS than a handful of bad ones. Again, you can’t please everyone.

              You give merit to one or 2 unsatisfied customers, but yet the hundreds and hundreds of people that have praised my work means “dog balls” to you. Ridiculous. These posts about me are being reported to the authorities as fraudulent, since I can prove that I have never scammed anyone.

              What YOU are doing is WRONG… I am most definitely NOT a scammer. Anyone who believes I scammed them has every right to take me to court. Hasn’t happened, and it won’t, because I don’t scam people. I am an honest business man. How ignorant of you to call me a scammer when you don’t even know me, nor do you know how many people I have helped.

              I don’t promise the moon, I offer to teach people viable methods of getting traffic to their websites and make money online using legitimate, white hat techniques… And they work. What’s so wrong about that? Is a business not allowed to have a few dissatisfied customers these days? If those were even real clients of mine to begin with.

              I’ll allow karma to deal with those who are saying false things about me. And if need be, my team of lawyers will gladly prove to any judge that I have not scammed anyone and that this is defamation of character, which is illegal. You are in fact the criminal here, that’s the irony.

            2. @S.N.,

              Yup, I also wouldn’t believe bad testimonials about you either. I think they’re all completely and utterly worthless. Hitler got nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1938, showing that absolutely anyone can get good testimonials.

            3. @S.N.

              I’d be happy to see any judge in town with you. You made a statement which I easily showed to be false. Then instead of admitting your error like an honest person would do, you post a diatribe accusing me of being a criminal. Nice try, but you still look like a scammer in my book.

            4. @Yakaru,

              You sheep will believe anyone is a scammer if it’s merely mentioned on this site by any bum off the street. LOL!

              This whole thing started because an unscrupulous man named Martin Ignacio decided to pull a prank on me and insult me in a chat. When I insulted him back, he came to this thread (which is a blog post about Don Lapre for f*ck’s sake!) and gave me as an “example” just to make me look bad, when in fact, no scam ever took place. EVER.

              Believe what you want. I am way too busy to deal with people who have nothing better to do then follow the herd on a blog post about Don Lapre.

              There is literally ONE post on a blackhat forum about someone not liking my coaching, that’s IT. One. Nothing else out there. ONLY hundreds of glowing testimonials. All evidence is so far pointing toward me not being a scammer… But you people on this site are so rancorous and cynical, I almost feel sorry for you.

            5. @Shorty,

              Nice try? I did admit to the error. I admitted that I was unaware of the ONE post on the “Black Hat” (which is a site where people download things illegally) that had a negative thread about my coaching. Again, that is ONE post, and most likely from a competitor who was trying to beat me out or make me look bad, as I do not even charge $400 for coaching and if you read his post it quotes that number, which is false. I doubt he was ever a student of mine.

              Again, hundreds of positive testimonials all over the web… And ONE negative post on a black hat forum that you are clinging to like a baby clings to his blankie. Sorry man, I think a judge would clearly see what happened here. Had anyone been scammed, they could have reported me to the authorities, not posted on a black hat forum in order to get the post high up on the search engines… Clearly a ploy to defame me.

              It’s not rocket science brother:

              1. You are defaming someone you don’t even know on a public blog, based on a post you read on a black hat forum that had FALSE information about my coaching program and which was written by someone with horrible grammar and no authority in any way (listed as a newbie on the site).

              2. If I look like a scammer in your book, then your book must be a very short and non-intellectually stimulating one. Where’s the EVIDENCE that I’ve scammed anyone? Where’s the claim of money that I stole? Where’s the screen-shot of money coming out of someone’s account and going into mine and therefore being “stolen” or scammed? It doesn’t exist. If someone was scammed they could have filed a chargeback or sued me. Didn’t happen. Get a grip on reality.

            6. @Shorty,

              Nice try? I did admit to the error. I admitted that I was unaware of the ONE post on the “Black Hat” (which is a site where people download things illegally) that had a negative thread about my coaching. Again, that is ONE post, and most likely from a competitor who was trying to beat me out or make me look bad, as I do not even charge $400 for coaching and if you read his post it quotes that number, which is false. I doubt he was ever a student of mine.

              Again, hundreds of positive testimonials all over the web… And ONE negative post on a black hat forum that you are clinging to like a baby clings to his blankie. Sorry man, I think a judge would clearly see what happened here. Had anyone been scammed, they could have reported me to the authorities, not posted on a black hat forum in order to get the post high up on the search engines… Clearly a ploy to defame me.

              It’s not rocket science brother:

              1. You are defaming someone you don’t even know on a public blog, based on a post you read on a black hat forum that had FALSE information about my coaching program and which was written by someone with horrible grammar and no authority in any way (listed as a newbie on the site).

              2. If I look like a scammer in your book, then your book must be a very short and non-intellectually stimulating one. Where’s the EVIDENCE that I’ve scammed anyone? Where’s the claim of money that I stole? Where’s the screen-shot of money coming out of someone’s account and going into mine and therefore being “stolen” or scammed? It doesn’t exist. If someone was scammed they could have filed a chargeback or sued me. Didn’t happen. Get a grip on reality.

            7. @S.N.,

              So if you aren’t a scammer, please explain to me the interesting article you wrote for Ezine Articles titled “Get a Free Apple iPad Just For Testing It!”. According to the article, I can get a free iPad compliments of Apple. Yet oddly, the link from your article to the iPad testing website has a tiny disclaimer saying the offer is not affiliated with Apple. Gee, that looks a lot like a classic bait and switch which is totally something a scammer would do. Care to reveal how many people actually got “free iPads”? Oh wait, that would be none because according to the fine print you had to complete a bunch of offers which I bet profited you way more than the cost of an iPad. Scammer.

            8. @Shorty,

              LOL. That is a CPA offer that I (and many other marketers) promote which is 100% legit. The offer is provided through the CPA network MaxBounty. Care to call them and tell them they’re scamming people? The offer is an incentive offer… People fill out trial offers and they get to keep an iPad… NOT through me. It’s not MY offer, I just got paid to write articles for the company. It’s also NOT a scam in any way! These offers have been around for years.

              There’s still no evidence of me scamming anyone. And there won’t be.

              If you truly care about defending victims, then you should be on my side! I am certainly on your side, I do not condone or believe in scamming people and would do my best to help anyone who has been scammed.

              If someone posted on a forum that you were a scammer, would that automatically make it true? That is the implication of what you are proposing. You wouldn’t feel very good if this happened to you. Go ahead, call me scammer if it makes you feel like you’re doing something right. But, you’re wrong. There’s no other way about it.

            9. @Shorty,

              Shorty’s thought process:

              ONE person said that “Mr. X” is a scammer on a “black hat” forum, where people are known to do unethical things to begin with; Therefore “Mr. X” is most definitely, 100% a scammer.

              Give me a break! How dumb is that, seriously?

            10. @S.N., This alone says plenty:

              “Get a Free Apple iPad Just For Testing It!”

              You KNOW that’s bullshit. “Just for testing it” is deceptive. All the people who click on those b.s. ads aren’t getting a free ipad without dropping some money, and you KNOW it.

              What would “free just for testing it” mean to the average person? It would imply the Ipad is the main focus, and the maker of the Ipad (Apple) wants people to test it and give them feedback.

              “Free” means FREE. No strings, no hooks, and no tricks.

              That’s not at ALL what this is about though.

              This is about tricking people into pulling out their credit cards and getting them to sign up for bullshit “trial” offers that will end up costing them serious money.

              People LOSE on those kinds of deals. They either spend more than the value of what they would “get,” or they are somehow “disqualified” on a “technicality” and get nothing, and still end up on the hook paying for some “trial.”

              How is that “free?” How is that “just for TESTING it?” What does “testing it” have to do with anything? It’s all a smokescreen. Period.

              If the supposedly “free ipads” were really not costing people anything, those companies would either go broke or drop that promotion in a heartbeat.

              You KNOW this is bullshit. Justifying something by saying “other people do it” is ridiculous.

              Your promoting and defending that type of crap tells me all I’d care to know about you. You should wonder how many thousands of people will read these comments and think the exact same thing.

          2. @S.N., Can you tell me about your new advanced way to make the hyperlinks in your Get A Fast Auto Loan short story? At end it tells me about:

            et approved within 60 seconds for a fast auto loan [http://www.fastcarloans.info] NO MATTER how bad your credit is by going to [http://www.fastcarloans.info] NOW!

            but I try to click on them so much and my finger hurts now.

            1. @Jack,

              These are all legitimate CPA offers provided by Epic Direct and MaxBounty, two HUGE advertising networks. If you have a problem with them, take it up with them. You will never find anyone saying that they were scammed by me with these auto loan/iPhone/etc. offers.

              Instead of clicking on dead links until your “fingers hurt”, try doing something a bit more productive and useful with your time.

              None of these are scams. I was doing article marketing for CPA network offers (look up those terms if you don’t know what they mean).

              Sorry if you’re offended by marketers who are marketing 100% legal product promotions/offers.

            2. @Jack, OK, since it can’t be your offer and I don’t want to think that you are in any way associated with it then, but I still want to know about it so I can find out about what I need for the free iPad. My first step I made was to find out what size browsersize I need to go get so I can see the important disclaimer part, which is something Google BrowserSizer overlay helped me find out about:
              http://www.flickr.com/photos/56079685@N07/6250389235/in/photostream/

              Which is good that I did because it told me to see the disclaimer part I need to find a browser size that only 10% of the internet users use.

              Then I wanted to find out what documents I could go around collecting if my free iPad offer ddidn’t work out and maybe I had to file complaints around and about and fumbled about the FTC site until I found:
              FTC GUIDE CONCERNING USE OF THE WORD “FREE”AND SIMILAR REPRESENTATIONS where the page told me about:

              “(c) Disclosure of conditions. When making “Free” or similar offers all the terms, conditions and obligations upon which receipt and retention of the “Free” item are contingent should be set forth clearly and conspicuously at the outset of the offer so as to leave no reasonable probability that the terms of the offer might be misunderstood. Stated differently, all of the terms, conditions and obligations should appear in close conjunction with the offer of “Free” merchandise or service. For example, disclosure of the terms of the offer set forth in a footnote of an advertisement to which reference is made by an asterisk or other symbol placed next to the offer, is not regarded as making disclosure at the outset. However, mere notice of the existence of a “Free” offer on the main display panel of a label or package is not precluded provided that (1) the notice does not constitute an offer or identify the item being offered “Free”, (2) the notice informs the customer of the location, elsewhere on the package or label, where the disclosures required by this section may be found, (3) no purchase or other such material affirmative act is required in order to discover the terms and conditions of the offer, and (4) the notice and the offer are not otherwise deceptive.”

              I think it’s good odds for me to get the free iPad now, because I found the 10% solution missing from Google Browser Overlay which tells me all to do for getting the free iPad is:

              “This promotion is conducted exclusively by topconsumergifts. By continuing, I have read and agree to topconsumergifts’s Privacy Policy and Terms and Conditions. To obtain the gift for this promotion you must: 1) register with valid information including e-mail address, shipping address, and phone number; 2) complete the survey; 3) complete at least 2 Silver, 2 Gold and 6 Platinum Sponsor Offers (offer availability will vary); 4) be a US resident 18 or older; 5) not cancel your participation in more than a total of 2 Sponsor Offers within 30 days of the Sponsor Offer Initial Transaction Date (the Cancellation Limitation). You can receive the gift at no cost by completing free trial Sponsor Offers and/or by following the Refer-A-Friend program requirements; otherwise some Sponsor Offers may require a purchase to qualify. Upon completion of all Program Requirements, your gift will be shipped to the shipping address you provided. Limit one gift per household per year. Void where prohibited.”

            3. @S.N.,

              “These are all legitimate CPA offers provided by Epic Direct and MaxBounty, two HUGE advertising networks.”

              “Legitimate” must mean, “hasn’t yet received the full attention of the FTC.”

              Bernie Madoff was around for YEARS longer than those networks and had revenues that were even more HUGE.

              Maybe he’s got some “offers” you can promote.

              “If you have a problem with them, take it up with them.”

              I guess if you ran over someone in your car, you’d tell them to “take it up with Chevrolet.”

      2. @S.N.,

        “. It’s not MY offer, I just got paid to write articles for the company.”

        I like to put words around the internet, too, so can you tell me how much they pay you for each article you make?

            1. @Jack,

              You think the FTC is unaware of Epic Direct and Max Bounty? Think again, they are HUGE companies who must abide by the law, otherwise they will be taken down. I am on your side, I don’t wish for anyone to get duped.

              It is astounding to me how much of your own time you are wasting here. All you did was research the FTC guidelines, and then clearly display how the company was abiding by it. They had the right to use the term “free” because the item IS actually free, as you quoted here:

              “This promotion is conducted exclusively by topconsumergifts. By continuing, I have read and agree to topconsumergifts’s Privacy Policy and Terms and Conditions. To obtain the gift for this promotion you must: 1) register with valid information including e-mail address, shipping address, and phone number; 2) complete the survey; 3) complete at least 2 Silver, 2 Gold and 6 Platinum Sponsor Offers (offer availability will vary); 4) be a US resident 18 or older; 5) not cancel your participation in more than a total of 2 Sponsor Offers within 30 days of the Sponsor Offer Initial Transaction Date (the Cancellation Limitation). You can receive the gift at no cost by completing free trial Sponsor Offers and/or by following the Refer-A-Friend program requirements; otherwise some Sponsor Offers may require a purchase to qualify. Upon completion of all Program Requirements, your gift will be shipped to the shipping address you provided. Limit one gift per household per year. Void where prohibited.”

              See the sentence that says: “You can receive the gift at no cost by completing free trial Sponsor Offers and/or by following the Refer-A-Friend program requirements…”

              Therefore you can get the gift at NO COST. That’s free, right?

              So, people aren’t supposed to read the fine print anymore?

              If someone goes the route of purchasing offers instead of doing the method above… It’s STILL not a scam, because no one is holding a gun to their head forcing them to make a purchase and at that point they are well aware that they are not taking the “free” route, since they must make the purchase on their own accord. These people are adults and can do what they want. How is it a scam if someone CHOOSES to pay for something in order to get something else for free as a bonus? It’s not. And it’s advertised as FREE because you can actually, legitimately get the gift for free. It’s really not rocket science. It’s quite easy to understand.

              There is still no proof of any scam. Nor is there any scam to begin with.

              Again, if you feel like TopConsumerGifts is doing something wrong, take it up with them. It has NOTHING to do with me, I don’t offer iPads, I don’t offer gifts, I don’t construct those offers.

              I in NO WAY scammed anyone, ever.

              PLEASE, go spend your time taking down REAL scammers, people who have actually done something wrong. You seem like you have a plethora of time and energy to do so, and you’re wasting it.

            2. @Jack & Everyone else reading,

              In addition to my above last post… I’d like to add that ANY CHOICE that a person who participates in one of those offers makes, does NOT result in a scam.

              Choice #1: The reader goes through the details and decides it’s not for them, so they close the website and get on with their lives. No one scammed.

              Choice #2: The reader decides to purchase certain items in order to receive a free gift (such as an iPad), so they go ahead and purchase the items and then receive the gift. Again, no one scammed.

              Choice #3: The reader takes the route of participating in the FREE trials, etc. that allow them to receive the gift at NO COST. Once again, no one scammed.

            3. @S.N.,

              “So, people aren’t supposed to read the fine print anymore?”

              You mean the buried, tiny, intentionally hard-to-find text that says something a “wee bit” different from the giant, screaming headline at the top?

              I looked up “free” in the dictionary, and it didn’t say anything about needing to provide a credit card. What dictionary are you using?

              If someone pushes shit, it doesn’t matter if it’s someone else’s shit…it’s still pushing shit.

            4. @Jack,

              “You think the FTC is unaware of Epic Direct and Max Bounty? Think again, they are HUGE companies who must abide by the law, otherwise they will be taken down. I am on your side, I don’t wish for anyone to get duped.”

              Is it something you really believe about? How many offers that go onto getting shut down FTC do you think ran through the huge CPA networks first?

              I wasn’t talking any about you anyhow, I was talking about the offers. Why do you want to go on to make everything about you?

              Btw, I do have all the time available in the world, because I already went and outsourced clicking on dead links at .0001/click.

            5. @Jack, This one now becoming too easy now, so I can just end with this one:

              “The Ninth Circuit’s important U.S. v. Nosal decision is gaining momentum. On September 14, 2011, a California district court in Facebook v. MaxBounty, the Honorable Jeremy Fogel, presiding, became one of the first courts to apply Nosal, reaffirming that the violation of computer use policies constitutes “exceeding authorized access” under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA). In doing so, Facebook arguably reinforced the legal protections for employers against employees who steal or remove electronic files or data in violation of their employers’ written computer-use restrictions.”

              http://www.tradesecretslaw.com/2011/10/articles/computer-fraud-and-abuse-act/liability-under-computer-fraud-and-abuse-act-for-violating-computer-use-policies-gains-momentum-in-ninth-circuit/

            6. @S.N.,

              Precious, your website literally says you are an IM-MMO {Unicorn} Expert {Scammer}. Nobody who does legit digital marketing calls it IM. (Good move to hide your cold, dead scammer’s eyes behind mirrored shades.)

              You scammed poor Debbie – er, Beverly into thinking that reading your ebook qualified her to offer SEO services, but she doesn’t even fully understand “content.”

              Your products and testimonials don’t exist outside of Warrior Forum and Elite IM Forum. Testimonials from other IM-scamming users inside the belly of the IM scam beast are, indeed, bollocks.

              Inside the Warrior Forums, you’re an IM-MMO Expert, but in the real world, you’re just a sad little article whore scraping the bottom of CPA companies’ inventory and regurgitating scam offers on Ezine Articles.

              Sure, those may be big ad networks. CBS is a big TV network, but every morning at 1:00 a.m. they display Don Lapre-like infomercials for MMO scams. Size doesn’t keep out the scams. If anything, it allows them to slide by unnoticed. You personally made the choice to write for scams instead of legitimate advertisers.

              You wrote:

              So, people aren’t supposed to read the fine print anymore?

              As Jack so patiently explained, when it comes to “free,” the FTC says they don’t have to:

              For example, disclosure of the terms of the offer set forth in a footnote of an advertisement to which reference is made by an asterisk or other symbol placed next to the offer, is not regarded as making disclosure at the outset.

              Of course, the FTC also says you have to clearly disclose when you’re collecting CPA income from your articles. That’s in 16 C.F.R. Part 255, which also says those free iPad advertisers are in violation for not making you change your allusions to beta-testing for Apple.

              So, yes, princess, you can hide behind those mirrored shades, but the truth is you are not an expert at anything, you are a $5 article whore, and you are, in fact, a scammer.

              (Thanks to Jack for finding the appropriate FTC “free” guidelines and Ezine Articles.)

            7. @Lanna,

              Thanks for providing me with a valuable backlink to my website!

              People can now go into each one of my products and see for themselves the real, live reviews from REAL people who purchased them.

              You are correct, some of my products/services don’t exist outside of the Warrior Forum, as I ONLY sell them there… They have a marketplace on the forum. Where many people market their products and services.

              You are clinging to ONE or TWO bad testimonials that you’ve dug up from the internet… When there are hundreds of positive, glowing testimonials about my ebooks, including the one about SEO, which you so conveniently ignore. “Poor Beverly” never said she was scammed, she just said that she was confused…

              IN FACT, SHE THANKED ME!!! (Way to twist something the complete opposite, very interesting tactic Lanna!)

              “Poor” Beverly’s exact words on the very link you provided:

              “I bought Shane’s ebook on “Offline Cash: How to Make $499 Over and Over Again From Local Businesses”. Which by the way is very informative and helpful to someone like me who is brand new – much appreciated Shane. I am looking to do basic SEO for local businesses, and on of the things I will be doing is giving them main content suggestions. Just wanted to clarify on what that is exactly. I know that it has to do with using keyword phrases 1-3% in order to optimize searches without being flagged for keyword stuffing. But i guess I would like a literal interpretation. Will I need to provide actual descriptive/informative content on the web page implementing these keyword phrases? And if so, for the web sites that have very little text and mainly just images, should I suggest they add written content to their home page? I know this may sound extremely elementary to most of you, but I am completely in the dark with 99% of IM because I’ve only been reading and studying it for the last couple of weeks. Any resource suggestions or info would be much appreciated.”

              Noticed how she said: “Which by the way is very informative and helpful to someone like me who is brand new – much appreciated Shane.”

              Wow, does that sound like a victim of a scam? Thanking me?

              What a joke. Get a GRIP!

              Also, yes, IM is the acronym for “Internet Marketing” which is a general term. ANything from ebay, Amazon, to affiliate and/or CPA marketing fall into this category. Equally, a plumber who advertises his business online is also Internet Marketing. Is that a scam too?

              The whole purpose of the Marketplace where I sell my products/services is so that the people who buy them can give their honest feedback, like on ebay. I have 99.9% positive reviews from people. You quoted one lady who was slightly confused and wanted more related info, although she thanked me for the help I gave her in the $9 report that she bought that I wrote.

              This attack on me is nothing but bitter people who have more than likely tried and FAILED at internet marketing who have all the time in the world to take out their anger on successful people.

              How dare you insult me and call me names when you don’t even know me? The only information you have to go by is dozens of people saying very positive things about me and ONE or TWO that don’t. It’s actually rare that someone with a client base of my size doesn’t have MORE complaints… As you can’t please everyone. But I consistently please 99.9% of my clients and for that I am grateful and will continue to do so.

          1. @Unicorn Army, This whole thread made me remember about a famous YouTube song about digging a hole…but question for readers here is…who’s digging the hole? I won’t pretend to know the answer to that one, because I think probably I do know it.

            1. @Jack,

              Now you’ve gotten way off-topic… But for that I am glad. I do NOT wish to make this about me. I just wanted to defend my position, because I never scammed anyone. If I happened to promote a “shitty” affiliate offer (in some of your opinions) then I can handle that criticism. However, I am not a scammer and never was and never will be.

              So Facebook is suing MaxBounty… Do you know how many entities are suing Facebook?

              Again, I am on YOUR side and the side of this site when it comes to not condoning scams. It was an unscrupulous person who came here and said I was a scammer after having an argument with me that THEY started.

              I don’t necessarily care if I have “Jack’s” approval or “Shorty’s” approval… I am just defending my position of not being a scammer, from some crazy guy that came to this post (a blog post about Don Lapre) to talk bad about me. I have nothing to do with Don Lapre and personally think he’s a douche.

              For the last time, I have never scammed anyone and never will. If I ever do, they will have every right to pursue me legally. Let’s leave it at that.

            2. @Jack, I don’t understand about how it can be off-topic – again not about you but about what you say about MaxBounty, when it also is directly ON-topic about it if you read the precise allegation in light of ruling:

              “Facebook brought a claim, inter alia, under the CFAA against MaxBounty for “knowingly and with intent to defraud, access[ing] of a protected computer without authorization or exceeding authority.” 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(4).”

              How is it not on-the-topic that you brought up about MaXBounty but is not about you (I want to keep separating that one so we can’t make it about you now).

            3. @Jack,

              I meant the original topic that someone brought up about me out of nowhere.

              Yes, MaxBounty is something I brought up in one of my posts… But you decided to make the conversation about them, for which again, I am glad since now the discussion can be about something that might be worth discussing (Facebook vs. MaxBounty or unethical offers posted on CPA networks)…

              To quote Lanna: “Of course, the FTC also says you have to clearly disclose when you’re collecting CPA income from your articles. That’s in 16 C.F.R. Part 255, which also says those free iPad advertisers are in violation for not making you change your allusions to beta-testing for Apple.”

              Good point, but you see, the FTC laws were DIFFERENT when the article in question was posted. The new laws regarding affiliate disclosures, etc. did not exist. So even at that time, I was not operating outside the law in any way. The article was submitted in Jan. of 2010 and the new FTC rulings came into effect in Jan. 2011.

              The article that I wrote well over a year ago was actually for a real beta-testing offer… The network changed the offer and the article title/content never got changed. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I will look into it and edit it to be more compliant.

            4. @SN,

              Again NOT about you but to make sure readers have facts:

              FTC says this:

              “The revised Guides also add new examples to illustrate the long standing principle that “material connections” (sometimes payments or free products) between advertisers and endorsers – connections that consumers would not expect – must be disclosed.”

              What they call it is a “long-standing principle.” If consumer would expect probably is the idea going onto be handled by FTC case-by-case.

              Also, guidelines were published 10/5/2009

              http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm

              And went into effect on 12/1/2009:
              http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/06/news/companies/ftc_blogger_advertising_rules/

            5. @S.N.,

              You may be in denial about your status as a scammer, but it doesn’t change the fact that you are a dishonest marketer and therefore a scammer. I am not basing this on a couple of people posting negative comments about you. I am basing this on the actual work of Shane Natan I found online.

              For example, in an article titled “How to Build Massive Wealth with Foreclosures and Short Sales” you state, “If you want to learn the same secrets that I used to build a fortune with foreclosures and short sales, check out my website by Clicking Here [http://www.best-money-maker.com]”. This is most certainly a lie. In fact, I bet Shane Natan has probably never even been involved in an actual real estate deal, much less made “a fortune”.

              How do you justify telling outright lies to generate leads? Here’s a free (by FTC standards) tip for you, real marketing doesn’t involve deceiving customers. When try to disguise your product or make up qualifications, you are scamming people. You are not marketing, and that goes for the Internet as well as in the real world.

            6. @Jack, Thanks for that information not about S.N.

              Maybe not about S.N. isn’t as confused so much about the “long standing” part, as much as the “principles” part.

              I’m not sure where Not About could buy some principles since I always had some as far back as I can remember, but maybe they were out of those when Not About came along, maybe.

              Also, I wanted to say this comment is not not about S.N., although maybe I should have disclaimed that at the outset like Lanna pointed out, especially since it is a long standing principle like you showed right there.

    4. Looks like some jerk erased the pictures exposing the Scammer Shane Natan.

      Well here is a copy/paste of the chat between Shane Natan the scammer and me:

      Easy: hey Martin
      I have a business opportunity for you…
      Enviado a la(s) 10:24 del lunes
      Easy: Martin?
      Enviado a la(s) 10:26 del lunes
      yo: yes
      Enviado a la(s) 10:27 del lunes
      Easy: are you interested?
      It would require a $697 investment if you were interested
      yo: OMG what a generous offer!
      I am so excited!
      Am I gonna be a guru like filsame or even Alex Goad?
      Easy: I sense sarcasm
      yo: How come…?
      Easy: so you weren’t?
      yo: No… are you in IM?
      Easy: yes!
      have you seen my imgigz.com?

      now ranked 76,000 in the world on Alexa
      in just 4 months
      yo: Great!
      Holy crap! you are a GURU!
      Easy:
      you see, fiverr clones are the “IN” thing now
      my site has gained lots of popularity and is HOT
      one can make millions with it
      mine is now making a kililng
      yo: how didi you do that?
      so you did it without backlinking and stuff like that?
      Easy: right… I have a very easy method… however
      yo: Millions? Holy shit!
      Easy: similar sites like Zeerk sold for $50k recently
      Fourerr
      Dealerr
      MyCheapJobs
      they were all warriors
      I have been so busy with it, that I am not able to do my other one, http://www.JobsForSix.com
      which I am selling — to a lucky client or student
      that would be you!
      yo: no way!
      Easy: the beauty is…
      you won’t be competing with fiverr
      because sellers AND buyers are ALWAYS looking for NEW fiverr alternatives
      so they can sell their gigs on ALL of them
      heck, if they get ONE sale from each of the sites.. they’ve maximized their income
      and buyers love the clones too
      yo: I am not that talented…
      Easy: and in the meantime, there will be gigs there that ATTRACT those marketers!
      so sellers are ALSO buyers
      it’s a neverending cycle!
      yo: Oh my god… millions…
      Easy: there are 6 revenue streams
      1. charge for featured ads
      2. banners
      3. sponsored ads
      4. put your own banners
      5. adsense/affiliate marketing
      and the 20% from each sold gig
      I’ve earned from ALL of those streams on my IMGIGZ site already…
      yo: Yahoo I am gonna get rich!
      but I have a question?
      Easy: someone will snatch this site right away, so you’d have to jump on the offer fast
      yes
      yo: If those sites are making so much money? why are you selling them?
      Wouldn`t be better to keep all the $$$ to yourself?
      Easy: imgigz is making a lot… jobsforsix is NEW… I am selling it because I don’t have the time to do both
      I run a 6 figure online business and a NEW site is something I can part with
      plus, I’d like to have a testimonial and case study and then I can create an ebook and sell many copies
      yo: OMG that is so generous..
      Easy: I would sell it to you and include:
      1. domain name
      2. hosting
      3. coaching on how I built mine to be so successful
      4. tips, advice
      5. custom logo
      6. the script
      the script alone is worth $299 PLUS I paid well over $700 to a php guy to fix all the bugs!
      It’s easily worth $997++++
      but I want to make a deal
      yo: you are like the mother calcuta of IM
      Of course I would like to have those sites for free
      Easy: it’s not free
      yo: If I sell them I will give you a great review!
      Easy: you would buy the site, then get members with my help
      then make money from them
      and you can flip the site or keep it
      but it would cost you $697 to buy
      yo: how come? No review copy you know… warriorforum way?
      Oh I seel..
      but
      Easy: review copy of a website?
      yo: No…
      I meant
      Easy: jobsforsix.com is set up and ready to go
      I give you the admin log in and you’re off!
      yo: A site for free you know to sell it so I can give you a nice review..
      mmm ok you convinced me
      but
      Easy: no, that’s not what this is about
      I will hold NO secrets back as to how I made mine a success
      and now is the time to get in on ground level with something like this

      Getting in on ground level is how millionaires are made… this niche is one of those
      I won’t get rich off our transaction, but you literally can!
      shall I send you a payment link?
      yo: How can I be sure that the site will sell in the first place?
      Easy: you don’t have to worry about it selling
      it makes money 6 other eways
      ways*
      6 revenue streams
      1. charge for featured ads
      2. banners
      3. sponsored ads
      4. put your own banners
      5. adsense/affiliate marketing
      and the 20% from each sold gig
      yo: Oh I see so I can use that as proof on flippa right?
      Easy: yes, or you can keep it and earn from it monthly
      you’ll always have your $ in it, always. like a savings account
      yo: OMG, OMG! you are the saint of IM
      but there`s a problem
      I don`t have paypal available now…
      Easy: do you have a debit or credit card to use?
      yo: Can I give you my credit card number throught this gmail chat??
      Easy: yes
      and you can trust me
      yo: ok Here it goes!
      111 222 3333 FUCK YOU!
      BITCH!
      Easy: ?
      what a tool
      nothing better to do eh?
      biggest fruitcake I’ve seen yet!
      Ignoramus-cio
      Enviado a la(s) 10:44 del lunes
      Easy: what a dirty slimy spic! lol
      ta ta
      Enviado a la(s) 10:46 del lunes
      Easy: enjoy your arros con pollo you poor dumbass
      Enviado a la(s) 10:48 del lunes
      yo: Arroz IMBÉCIL!!! with z! If you are gonna offend me in my language at least learn to write it! ASSHOLE! no wonder you are an internet marketer you just can`t get a normal job SON OF A BITCH!
      Easy: lol, I would never want to speak that ugly language
      and it IS a real job
      I work my ass off
      with all my sites
      looks like you’re the one with no job LOL
      or maybe you do… was that you cutting my lawn the other day?
      Enviado a la(s) 10:57 del lunes
      Easy: haha, and now you go on the ignore list. how do you say it… puta!
      Enviado a la(s) 10:59 del lunes
      yo: Mr. Marketer reveals its true face, another fucking racist

      Puta? that would be you after the FTC… they will work out your ass in jail BITCH! The FTC is comming and you will be next!

      1. @Shane Natan Scammer,

        “Getting in on ground level is how millionaires are made

        It’s the way MySpace got to total-out FaceBook and cash out for $35M! It’s why Commodore still has the big PC marketshare now. It’s why BetaMax was so much the winner in BetaMax vs VHS. It’s…

        The post put there sounds like an MLM-combined-with-boiler-room-script.

  10. Oh my starz I remember this guy, goddamn he was annoying!! He and that steroid laden, amphetamine pumped Tony Gazelle freak that used to yell while swinging from some kind exercise machine…oh and let’s no forget that old guy with the juicer, who wanted you to believe that once you had his juicer in your life that you’d live happily ever after. The pictures on Don Lapre’s site are both pathetic and disturbing. It’s clear that he just went to Google and stole some pics, while adding compromising pictures of his children to them. Sick bastard deserves every bit of suffering he’s going through now. Sad that these children have to go through this because of such a terrible dad.

  11. “If it sounds too good to be true … IT SHOULDN’T BE INCESSANTLY FUCKING TELEVISED!!”

    These frauds KNOW it doesn’t work as advertised. They KNOW you will fail before you buy and use their frauducts… and they don’t care.

    They are thieves…. and they are lying about everything. That’s what makes them criminals.

    Just saying.

      1. @SD, I think it’s OK because they tell us that “the following fraud does not necessarily reflect the viewpoint of this station” and then when you go onto tell them that it probably does reflect the viewpoint of the station they still win against you, because they can tell you, “when did we say it didn’t?”

      2. @SD, And major online media like Yahoo know, too, because they also run the news articles that expose many similar scams.

        Even so, they still allow ads on their home page for obvious scams TO THIS DAY.

    1. @SD, Strange. The “free don lapre” web site has a Phoenix address but a Columbus, Ohio phone number.

    2. @SD,

      For some reason I find that whole video 1000 times more repulsive than the original scam or scammer. It’s probably because I can’t stand that kind of song in the first place.

      “Never stop dreaming…”

      Okies. I’ve got a dream: I’ve got a dream one day in the future some simple instructions for fraud detection will be printed on our currency and adopted as the new pledge of Think For Yourself [amazon.com – mp3 sample]

      If you haven’t ever heard the song Think For Yourself by George Hrab, it’s a good one.

      Furry cows moo and decompress.

  12. I owned a business in phoenix for a # of years and have interviewed former employees of this guy.

    The scam was simple and has been the framework of many of the scams used today.

    They sold a cheap product. Cheap looking. Cheap to reproduce. Cost was $29-$39

    The cheap appearance was by design and it’s purpose was to convince you that the crap you created can look cheap and still sell

    The $39 turned a small profit in the early days…but not for long and those $ were used to buy more advertising…and also show he made profits selling his course

    That last part is a subtlety not often noticed…until salty

    Don Lapre sold a course on how to sell courses…then used those profits to sell more courses…then bragged about how much money he made selling courses

    $39 was a loss leader for lapre very quickly…meaning he lost money selling that $39 course

    Don didn’t care losing money on that $39, even though he bragged about making money selling it …he really wasn’t looking to sell courses and turn a profit…he was selling courses to create a sales lead for a very expensive BACKEND product/service

    900#’s 9along with advertising for those 900#’s)…was the first big one he hit with

    The money made from selling bullshit 900#’s more than covered for the losses

    I have heard the # 50 million per year used by many people as to how much money they generated with his classified ads scam
    ==============================================================================
    Here’s the scam in short:

    Create BS product and sell for throw away money…called the front end product

    this gives them your credit card

    Losing money selling the front is made up selling the backend

    Create a very expensive backend that offers the possibility(fantasy) of making millions

    Call within 10 days of front end sale…since you have their credit card the sale is easier

    Reload them to and try to sell several backends if they don’t purchase the first

    Sell down the ladder…meaning start at the highest price and as you get objections slowly reduce the price with phony discount options. A favorite was allowing each rep to ‘award’ price breaks if they came across someone who was perfect but just couldn’t afford the top price

    The sales reps/customer service were 100% complicit…and made HUGE money for looking the other way
    ==============================================================================

    Obviously I never hired any of these people.

    It never dawned on anyone they were buying a course on how to sell using little classified off the TV

    Internet marketers use this framework all the time…they have expanded but the basic principles still apply

    The IM guru scam is losing $ while building a list…then sell high end shit on the back to more than make up for it. Many use a product loss leader on the front to build a list as well

    Or my favorite was John Reece selling his ‘traffic secrets course’ while never using one single technique in his course when doing it

    This ends with indictments

      1. @Lanna, If they knew how to be original they wouldn’t need to be scammers. The market rewards originality and creativity…but not always and usually after a lot of work and time developing an audience. If you don’t have an original bone in your body, you put together connect-the-dots infomercial scams with telephone rooms scamming folks.

        Originality and creativity = delivering value.
        Scammer = bag full of shit.

      2. @Lanna,
        Re Originality: I know what you mean, but if you look at it from their perspective, their Ultimate Goal is to transfer as much money from many other peoples’ accounts to their own account as quickly and massively as possible.

        With that goal in mind, so long as the tried and true techniques keep working, there’s really no incentive to change.

        Furry cows moo and decompress.

    1. @Shit Storm,

      I actually downloaded that course on bittorrent, to see what all the fuss was about. I really wish I hadn’t. It was the worst presented load of incoherent bullshit ever. Just John Reese droning on and on about stuff you could read online for free. At least Kern is vaguely amusing at times.

      1. @, Shit Storm got me thinking when he said he’d DL’d over 100GB of this shit on torrents. I’d never had much luck with IM on torrents (music, videos yes). But having just started publishing books, I wanted Kindle courses at no cost to get some tips.

        Pretty impressive results…

        So here’s how not to give these fuckers any more £$€, ever. Get any IM course for free within 1-2 weeks post launch.

        – Minthrea.net
        – FeedUrBrain.com
        – Tons more site online, just search for “course name rar”, torrents not required.

        Use JDownloader for free with a Premium filesharing account for optimum speed and uninterrupted DL’s.

        And unzip the rar with Winrar.

        Now go rip off some of this shit and F*ck the robbing IM cuuuuuuunts!

        1. @Juice,

          “Now go rip off some of this shit and F*ck the robbing IM cuuuuuuunts!”

          Actually, you’re still the one getting ripped off, even at a price of “free.” That’s because they are STILL stealing your valuable, limited time and filling your head with bullshit that will just turn you into a MMO zombie.

          1. @Lance, Thanks for the advice Lance. I’ve been selling online since 2000 – I know what I’m doing pal. Now for f’kin FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

            For anyone that thinks all IM is useless crap. Its all about finding the 10% gold, and filtering the 90% shite from each and every program!

            1. @Juice,

              Is every course full of 100% bullshit? No

              Can you achieve the results claimed in the sales hype? No

              Is there a small nugget buried in one of these courses? maybe…maybe not

              These shovel salesman have demonstrated they have a well thought out, well organized plan to seperate you from your money lies and smoke and mirrors. These ‘products’don’t pass the lowest smell test

              Why would you trust them for anything is my question…even if it’s free

              Much better ways to get educated

    1. @Ross Jeffries,

      That’s like saying Pol Pot sucked but Hitler was far worse.

      Is there a difference?

      1. The thing is, everyone already knows about Kevin True-dough. Over the years, he has been exposed in the mainstream media many times as a con artist (not that this stops the mainstream TV stations from running his infomercials). And KT has already been in a cage for larceny, credit card fraud, etc. (it was mostly the other people’s fault, he later explained to an interviewer).

        As soon as he got out of prison in the early 1990s he started new fraudulent ventures with people he’d met while he was locked up. And he’s still going strong today, particularly with his Global Information Network (GIN) pyramid scheme. His ongoing legal battles are a marketing tool as much as anything, and are at least partially subsidized by suckers through his Legal Defense Fund. (If you donate $1,000 or more to the fund you get a chance to have dinner with him!!!) KT frames his problems as a noble First Amendment/pro-business battle; he has many folks convinced that the oppressive government/medical profession/pharmaceutical industry, etc. are all trying to silence him because they’re afraid that the “truths” he reveals will cut into their own profits.

        In any case, I think KT really is too obvious a target. Though he’s a perfect topic for lazy bloggers like me, I believe Salty’s strength lies in exposing the scammers whose dirty deeds have not been so widely publicized. I’m glad Salty chose Lapre; it’s long overdue.

  13. I want to see if I can get Dan Hersam to make an answer to this for his riddle page:

    “The majority of people did not make money, in spite of everyone of them being able to make as many $1000 checks as they wanted”

    I think maybe he can put it after:

    Q: What do you not want to have and not want to lose?
    A: A lawsuit.

  14. To the dumb fucking cunt rag who wrote this bullshit about a man that you don’t even know……

    I worked for this big hearted, generous, man for nearly 8 years and many of the allegations are not true at all!!!! We would always tell our clients that it wasn’t a biz in a box and that they would have to put forth effort in order to see a profit….. The problem with you stupid lazy ass people that bought his program couldn’t get off your asses to make things work…. You expected to make money while doing Nothing but sitting on your fat asses eating potato chips. Every biz takes effort or you will fail!!!!! I had many clients that made tons of money with Don’s programs…. I personally did very well with his reminder service program…. 1 of my clients that bought 1-900 lines made a fortune… I told him to put a pretty girl on skates and pass out fliers for the date line….. He sent me a huge ty basket…… All I have to say is fuck all you people that hate for no reason at all!!!!!

    It’s amazing how fast people are to judge a person when they have never met or experienced someone for who they really are….. I am willing to bet you haters have no real friends……

    Don left this life on oct 1st 2011

    Casey Taylor
    Don…….to know you was to love you. i am blessed to have been your friend. blessed to have known you. May you bask in gods loving arms and light. may your family be held in gods love right now as we all mourn you, may God be with Sally and the girls. You will forever be missed.
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    Wow…My blessings go out to his family……working for u Don Lapre was an amazing lesson….u made be a better salesman being around u……r.i.p Don u will b missed by ur friends!!!!
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    Donna Pearce Castle
    God, above all others, knows Don’s beautiful heart. It is heart breaking for those left behind, but God had a very special job that could only be done by someone as kind, loving and generous as Don. My sincere condolences to Don’s wonderful family.
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    Tempa Ottosen Brown
    Oh Don… life just isnt fair. Im looking at your photos and I cant believe you are gone. You were probably the most generous human being Ive ever had the pleasure of knowing. It breaks my heart to know that you were suffering enough to escape from this world. Thank you for all you have done for me and every other person you took under your wing. I wish I could have taken you under mine… We will remember you always… Rest in Peace my friend. XOXO
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    Sandy Tencer Daly Cercone Tempa. You are breaking my heart. I love you my friend. He was our brother and has left a piece of himself with us forever.
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    Matthew Leatherneck Marriott
    this is so sad i can’t believe it… i only knew him from afar, but he was a good employer to me, a wonderful lunch conversationalist, and many times over the years my mind has been entertained and heart warmed by the many stories from dear friends who knew him better. RIP Don, and peace to those who are left with those memories.
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    Charles Mcclelland
    This is some thing that if I can get some assistance with we all say how much don has done for us so we need to give back in some way like getting some type of college fund for his kids. I’m not sure how to exactly set one up but if some one has the know how I think that would be the ultimate thank you to his family because with out him half of us out there would not be where we are today
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    Shauna Rodgers
    We were so very sad and shocked to hear about Don. Our friend with such a big heart and such a giving soul. I can’t imagine what he must have been going through these past months. I just know that he is with God and finally at complete peace. Your enthusiastic presence will be missed by so many.
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    Charles Mcclelland
    To the Lapre family our prayers are with you during this time of sorrow may God keep you in his loving arms. Don was a great man who did change my life for the better
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    Sandy Tencer Daly Cercone
    Dear friends of Don Lapre: Announcements for services will be announced in the next few days to celebrate the life of Don Lapre. The family has asked that you kindly not send flowers to their personal residence, they would much rather fill the service with them and your presence. Thank you so much for your love and support.
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    Chris Anderson Please let me know! Me and my wife Jessica will attend…God Bless
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    Jamie Romero
    The hand of God reached down and took him from us, he had a better plan for Don. He was too good for the world we know, only in time will we learn what his plan was. Until then we thank him for every precious day we shared.
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    Leia Theroux Lopez
    Don, it’s been 20 years or so. I remember the apartment and my bff ingrid. You were and amazing boss and teacher. I remember fighting with you about relationships and fidelity.I love you and pray for you and your family!
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    Michelle Lapre Milburn
    Don, you had a heart of gold and you’ll never know how much we all miss you. The world has lost an incredible soul. I pray God wraps you in his loving arms and brings you peace until we are all together again. Love you so much, bro.
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    Jamie Romero
    Praying for the Lapre Family! So sorry for your loss. Don Lapre was a special person with a heart of gold. Our prayers go out to his family.
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    Geoff Milburn
    I am so proud and grateful to have had you as an uncle and will forever look up to you. You are truly an amazing person and I only wish I had posted this sooner. We love you uncle Don!!
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    Debbie Lapre-Rozell
    The Greatest Brother in the World passed away with God last night.
    You don’t know how much you will be missed. Love you so much bro.
    RIP
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    Michelle Steingard I love you Debbie and I know how close you and Don were. I am here for you through these tough times.
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    Rob Green
    RIP my friend!!!!
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    Jason Arambula
    RIP Don Lapre … thank you for the best times of my life.
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    Michelle Steingard
    Don you have been the greatest friend anyone can ask for. You have touched the lives of so many people I am not sure you understood that. It’s because of you I am where I am and I am who I am. You have been an amazing influence for thousands. You have been an amazing father to your children. I will watch out for them as much as I can. I will miss our lunches and picking your brilliant Brain as well as talking for hours and learning so much for you. Don I I will miss you forever. RIP. Love you ;)
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    Marlo Logan
    So sorry to hear about the loss of a great man.. Peace be with all that have been touched by his soul..
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    Tara Alves Zontanos
    So so sad about this! I was excited to see you rise again when I saw you last year and I will hold onto the kind emails I have that encouraged me when I was going through my own personal struggles! You truly were a generous, good soul and I know you will be watching over your family and keeping them safe! May you now have peace!
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    Carol Burnett Well said. I am so going to miss him 3 years ago I was at a very
    low point lost my husband and I just closed everyone out but Don would not have it he called we would talk for hours and because of these talks I let love back in my heart And have the best boyfriend ever rip DON
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    Ricky Silvers
    R.I.P Don Lapre

    Leann Rimes – Amazing Grace
    http://www.youtube.com
    Gospel
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    R.I.P Don Lapre

    Just As I Am – Rhema – listen to the high note at 2:35 min…shocking
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    ‎8 yr old Gospel singer, this song is on Rhema’s 3rd album “Believe” Physical CDs available at http://www.RhemaMarvanne.com or download from Itunes..plz share “just …
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    Ricky Silvers
    R.I.P My Prayers go out to Sally the Girls and the whole Family Don Thank you R.I.P
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    David Huddleston
    Such an amazing man. Thanks for all you have done for me and all the many, many others. So many owe so much to you! Am grateful to have had you as a part of my life. My prayers go out to Sally, the girls and your family! RIP my good friend!
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    Bill Raymond
    RIP Don Lapre
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    Micki Barnett Jacobs
    For all that you were, for all that you gave, for all that once was in a simpler time… I am so sorry for your pain. You were a true pioneer and a friend to many. I still remember the first time we met and how you made me laugh. Those memories will never die. I am so sorry for your girls and your family.
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    Julie McCracken Cabana
    I’ll never forget your enthusiasm. My heart goes out to your family.
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    Anthony Rodriguez
    Very few had a heart as big as yours Don…..thanks for all you did for people. You are missed.
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    Chris Magras
    Prayers go to your family and may you have rest in peace my friend. Will never forget you. :(
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    Stephanie Fox
    Bless your heart Don. We will miss you so very much. Some day the whole gang will be together again. Love Stephanie & Ryan.
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    Sandy Tencer Daly Cercone
    You were one of my best friends Don. One with the truest of hearts. The kindest of spirits. The most generous souls. I will miss you Don. Our hearts are broken. You have touched us all. Love you forever.
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    Tara Alves Zontanos I know…I was just texting with Tylene, she is pretty devastated and in disbelief. I know how close you guys were for so long and it really is so tragic…such a sad ending! Prayers and love to all of you and Sally and the family! :(
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    Sandy Tencer Daly Cercone Xoxo
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    Steve Dzialo
    You will be so missed my good friend, God bless your heart! No words can describe the pain and frustration that you and your famiy has had to go through, my heart goes out to you all so much! Rest in peace my good friend, rest in peace!
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    Nikki Wozniak
    To the greatest man in the world, you will truly be missed. Everyones lives you touched are so blessed to have had such an amazing person in their lives including myself. My favorite uncle since I was a tot when the time you brought me that balloon w a doll inside it up until now and forever. You are truly going to be missed. Love you sooooo very much and I hope you have now found happiness again. R.I.P. My dearest uncle ♥
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    Donna Pearce Castle
    Goodbye dear friend. We are all heartbroken. You will be missed more than words can say. RIP Don until we meet again.
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    David Bryan Hanson It is so difficult to accept life’s changes, but the pain is now gone and you are now in God’s caring hands. Peace be with you my dear friend. I am so sorry that it had to end this way. Until we all see you again on the other side, bye for now.
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    Sabrina LeBouton
    You will be deeply missed Don…. RIP
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    Garret Rozell
    to the best uncle in the world i will always remember you. i cant wait till the day i can see you again. R.I.P.
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    Nikki Wozniak Oh brother. You’re such a sweet heart. Love you
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    1. @Sabrina, You combined two things in your comment, so I’ll separate them as appropriate:

      1. It’s sad that Don killed himself. I have sympathy for his family.

      Now on to number 2, and reality:

      2. I once worked for a crook who was generous to his staff (up to a point…) but he was still a crook, and I didn’t wait YEARS to get out of that environment, nor did I ever excuse it as you did.

      You are full of shit. You didn’t make shit with a ridiculous “reminder service.” And 900 DATING numbers? That’s the ultimate crock. How can you even say that with a straight face? Utter bollocks.

      And trashing the victims of that bullshit for not being able to turn shit into gold is pathetically scummy.

      Then, you go and attach a sympathy play in order to marginalize it all. What on earth is wrong with you? Don may be gone now, but the victims are still here.

      You were a part of that machine for 8 years and rationalize it even now. Here’s hoping your name is on the the Federal Marshall’s list for some followup discussions. If it isn’t, maybe you could offer them a “reminder.”

      1. @Sabrina,

        1 of my clients that bought 1-900 lines made a fortune… I told him to put a pretty girl on skates and pass out fliers for the date line…..

        Date lines require men and women [[not really]]…and they require more women [[not really]] then they do men….It takes a “special” person to give the advice of drumming up business by employing a “skater” girl who will be “targeting” a VERY limited amount of “local males” [[most of which will be skating with a date or family]]…for a 24/7 dating line…where you need a lot of “singles” traffic to keep people from “talking” to dead air…and even if it did work…who would these single men talk to on the dating line…other single men?..last I heard men date women.

        I’m fucking with you…I know those lines hire women shills to keep men on the line…cuz men [[who call 900 numbers]] are the only ones stupid enough to pay for a girl to talk to them

        Don’t quit your day job…ohh wait…handing out that “stellar” advice was!/is? your “day job”…never mind…quit…

    2. I find it quite shocking that such an obvious suicide risk would be allowed to die in custody pre-trial. It’s really hard to prevent it I suppose … but still.

      @Sabrina ::

      MLM and suicide are BFF’s. One reason they get along so well together is that shit-stains like Don teach shit-stains like you to say stupid shit like this …

      “The problem with you stupid lazy ass people that bought his program couldn’t get off your asses to make things work”

      You can’t make an opportunity opportunity successful no matter how hard you work. The whole structure is a lie :: and the people who peddle it are liars. When victims figure this out … and try to speak up … they get called out with victim blaming bile like that shit you just spewed … meant to make them slink away in shame and silence … which almost all do. It’s enough to push many people over the edge.

      So I’ll take this moment of Don Lapre’s passing to think about all the scam victims who’ve ended up dead at their own hand during Don’s dubious career as a professional bastard. Their grieving family and friends left not understanding :: maybe not even knowing :: the horrors of the world that sucked the life from their loved one. Families left blaming themselves :: or blaming the departed … for the sins of the parasite machine. I know you’re out there … even though I don’t know your names … and I’m always thinking about you. I offer you my continued condolences … and my continued effort.

      1. @SD,

        I posted a similar comment above before coming to your update here — I absolutely agree on having empathy and condolences for the many victims of Don Lapre in whatever capacity, especially those who took their *own* lives because of him, and *their* families and friends. But I have not much sympathy or compassion for the families and friends of *the greatest* himself, because for the most part, they knew *exactly* what he was doing to people and had known all along — yes, they may have been enjoying his wonderful supposed *generosity* — but at whose expense and sorrow and doing without.

    3. @Sabrina,

      Many of the allegations are not true”

      So some of them are? Interesting. I suspect they’re the most egregious ones, aren’t they?

  15. I think the best tribute to Don would be to run a “tiny classified ad” announcing his “retirement” from the “business”. What better way to go out, just like how he started!!!

  16. From Wikipedia:

    “Donald “Don” D. Lapre (born May 19, 1964 – October 2, 2011) was an American TV pitchman. Lapre was a high school dropout, who became a multi-level marketing salesman and infomercial huckster.”

    “On TV infomercials that ran during the early-mid 1990s Lapre claimed that by placing “tiny classified ads” in newspapers he was able to make $50,000 week from his one bedroom apartment.”

    $50,000.00 a week, from a one bedroom apartment, in the 1990s, using “tiny classified ads?” No way. I’ll repeat that. No-freaking-way. Period.

  17. Somehow, you look into Don Lapre’s eyes and you can see it,
    it isn’t the same villianry as you see in the eyes of Jenkins, Johnson or Kern…

    Those guys delight in screwing people over.

    In Lapre’s eyes, there is a genuine ‘Need to Please’ – an insecurity showcased by his unpolished showmanship…

    Maybe you missed it, but look again – he’s an idiot.
    A simple minded child with a genuine desire to please…

    …and he’s our victim. We made him, and we ended him.

    We, the scorned, the wronged, here, supporting our bastion as he fights for our cause – bitching, moaning, and mudslinging in the comments, before surfing to another channel hoping to find the one Guru who can finally fulfill the promise of “Money for nothing and chicks for free” ::

    We created Don Lapre… Our greed, our selfishness, we took this childlike mind, this semi-retarded infant – look in his eyes and you’ll see it, he really is borderline retarded… We the sheeple and our social norms shaped him – don’t be confused, it was our demands that he sought to fill…

    A true simpleton, so stupid and idiotic as to believe he could provide what we the sheeple were demanding…

    We did this to him, and when he failed to give us the impossible, we turned our back on him and replaced him with a slicker, sharper, more techno saavy version of the same thing, while we snickered and built his crucifix, proclaiming our new Guru d’jour to be genuine replacement to the charlatan Lapre…

    Some 18 months ago in the case of James Ray, I said: “The only honorable solution is death by his own hand…”

    I say that with a heavy heart, but I say this publicly and without restraint – “Don Lapre has ended his career and life with dignity, and in doing so has conveyed the truth of his character.”

    If he had not done so, I would continue to support the slinging of mud and feces…

    But, having restored his name through this action – I ask those who would seek to belittle his memory remember one simple thing: “We the sheeple, with our incessant demands of ‘something for nothing’ took the life of this semi-retarded child, as he played the game our purchases perpetuated …”

    R.I.P. Don Lapre sadly – you had to earn it this way.

    1. @Injun Samurai,

      I’m sorry, but I see only a con man who is so narcissistic that he believes he will get away with anything he says and does — and he almost did.

      And are we back to blaming the victim again for wanting a better life and for believing that “just maybe” this one is on the level? The only greed I see is in the promotors of these useless scams themselves. Because “they” know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that what they’re hawking is useless BS.

      1. @Bonnie,

        All I’m saying is this – when you take a mentally retarded child, and plug them into a system where they are rewarded for parroting huck and shuffle, then they are as much a victim of that system as anyone else…

        …and I don’t mean that in an ornery way, I mean it as my sincere opinion, I really believe Don Lapre is genuinely mentally retarded, just parroting the patter taught to him by those that came before while being reinforced and encouraged by consumers eager to suspend disbelief without diligence.

        So long you continue to believe “that ‘just maybe’ this one is on the level?” than you are perpetuating and enabling a system that places mentally handicapped children in leadership roles, then mocks them after they fail and fall to their deaths…

        1. @Injun Samurai,

          Is this the real Injun Samurai or an imposter?? Whatever, I still wholeheartedly disagree with you on this and I stand by my original response. You are entitled to your opinion.

        2. @Injun Samurai,

          Don Lapre was rather more morally handicapped than mentally handicapped, I think.

          ‘Mentally handicapped’ is an easy diagnosis to make on the internet, but you are doing a disservice to those people who are truly mentally challenged by giving this chancer a pass and equating him–with his functional IQ–with those unfortunates who are truly without thinking ability beyond the level of a five year old.

          You don’t have to be an intellectual giant to run a scam operation but you do need to know which side your bread is buttered on–and Don amply demonstrated his grasp of that.

          1. @stoic,

            That’s really my point Stoic, and perhaps I’m wrong on this one, but I really sincerely think he was truly Mentally Challenged and operating at about the level of an 6-8 year old who had become adept at mimicking others…

            I’ve always believed this about him.

            I’ve spent a lot of time with Mentally Handicapped people, and I’ve seen first hand how many of them learn to mimic with no sense of higher comprehension or moral justifications for their actions…

            To me, and it is a totally unqualified opinion, but to me, everything he has every done carries the signs of that… Just watch any of the above videos and consider it a remote possibility that he may have been so stunted as to be operating at the level of a young child. You might see his childish manner in a different way…

          2. @stoic, Yet another rational and thoughtful comment from you. I just wanted to say I’m glad you comment here.

    2. @Injun Samurai, That’s one of the most disgusting claims I’ve ever heard. So, not content with the standard scam-defense of ‘blame the victim’ you’re actually going so far as to blame his victims for his SUICIDE???? I’m sorry, but ‘idiot-children’ do not create and operate successful, multi-million dollar frauds.

      I’ll join Salty in mourning the many suicides his scams caused- and I’ll regret any emotional damage his own suicide did to his innocent children. Beyond that- no way, Jose!

      1. @Wanderlost,

        My belief that Don Lapre is FAS and a semi-retarded cog in a cruel machine, in no way diminishes or belittles his victims pains…

        I believe he is as much a victim of the system which allowed him to sell empty promises as is the market which demands them…

        So it’s not my intention to absolve him or justify his wrongdoings, merely, I seek to point out that when you reward a parrot 10,000 times for saying the word ‘Fuck’, then it’s cruel to start punishing it just because you got a new parrot that can say ‘Mother Fucker’…

        1. @Injun Samurai,

          Your reasoning and examples in this case just don’t make sense to me — just my humble opinion.

        2. @Injun Samurai,

          While I’d agree that it takes guts to kill oneself – certainly more than I expected from Lapre, I can’t agree that it is any sort of atonement. Looks to me like he did it because he got caught, rather than because of any regret for leading a life based on scamming and deception.

          I would have preferred for his suicide to have been prevented and the exact details of his scam revealed in court.

          I entirely agree with you about Death Ray – if he had have zipped himself after the first death, that would have been an honorable action. Less honorable if he’d waited till after deaths 2 3 and 4, but still in order. Even defending himself honestly and accepting a prison sentence would even have been at least understandable. Instead, he’s tweeting about how the universe wants him to be peaceful and happy.

    3. @Injun Samurai,

      Pious schmaltz, Injun Samurai–it doesn’t become you.

      This con man made his choices and however retarded he was, the same society that he set out to con offers the same golden rule values–do as you would be done by– for anyone to adopt, should they so choose.

      He was so retarded and eager only to please (please who exactly, himself?)that he managed to scam 50 million from his punters and only pay out 6 million of that to his suppliers and affiliates.

      He could do the crime but not the time, Yeah, and my heart bleeds for his untimely exit at his own hand–not.

      1. @stoic,

        Please, don’t get me wrong – this empathy I afford to him is as an exemption not offered to any of the other Salty targets.

        As in the James Ray scenario I said – “Execution is suitable punishment, but only Public Suicide could be considered an offering for atonement.”

        So I must in good conscious extend that same courtesy to Don Lapre.

        In this way, he can be remembered fondly as a failed man…
        Neither absolved of his failures nor crimes, instead – an irreparable balance tendered.

        So forgive me Stoic, for taking such a strong position, but I must honor my own words and regard his death as his apology for his life.

        1. @Injun Samurai,

          That is SO not what you said originally. His death may be considered an apology for his life, but all the excuses of mental illness and blaming society for “letting him get away with it” and even encouraging him to continue are just so wrong in my opinion — people trusted him — “that” is how he managed to get away with it. As with all con artists and scammers. People believe and trust because they want to believe in the general goodness and honesty in their fellow man — the evil and selfish and self-centered take advantage of that.

          1. @Bonnie,

            Well I think they are extensions of each other…

            We’ve known each other a while now, and I think we’re just seeing two different things…

            You see a manipulative conman who cheated people out of millions – I see a semi-retarded little boy who who was manipulated by a system to step into a position where he was encouraged to cheat people out of millions…

            Not for a few years mind you, for 20 years – we kept buying his products over and over, encouraging and pushing him until he finally cracked. . .

            Anyways, he’s dead now, and I’m going to choose to remember him as yet another victim of a system that burns everyone who touches it…

            Thanks for the dialog, and at least giving my opinion a chance to be heard… And rest assured, it’s still the same old me, I just have a soft spot for brain damage, FAS, and Mental Retardation… And I hate to see a retarded kid kill themselves for doing what they’ve been rewarded to do…

            http://www.flickr.com/photos/68240621@N03/6208412649/in/photostream/

            1. @Injun Samurai,

              I have had brain damage and I still know right from wrong and don’t try to con others nor take what is not mine. I have met many brain damaged and mentally challenged people over my lifetime (I’m
              an old fart) and I have not seen any who would try to con anyone or take what is not theirs — if anything, they are honest to a fault — because they don’t know how to be any different. Again, just my humble opinion.

        2. @Injun Samurai,

          I get your seppuku angle is weak.

          Did Don Lapre take his life out of some sense of honor? Maybe. Hiding out in a gym bathroom didn’t give me the impression that this man was courageous or ready to face up to his life as a swindler.

          People want to live happy lives and you said he attempted to provide that — really?

          If you think about it and still really believe he was trying to give people happiness, you’re gullible and calling your own intelligence into question.

          I’ve worked with quite a few silver-tongued, borderline retarded salesman in my time. They constantly make promises to customers that they know cannot be kept just to make sure they get a commission check.

          These salespeople are horrible for the businesses they work for and the customers they sucker. Don Lapre was one of those greedy salesmen with an entrepreneurial bent.

    4. @Injun Samurai ::

      I’m quite sure he doesn’t suffer from any mental handicaps actually. Here’s why … because he took millions for himself. I don’t need to see his picture … or see him talking … or have almost any other data points. Because inside the machine … if you exhibit ANY characteristics other than a psychotic devotion to “money is everything” … then you get nothing.

      Someone with an IQ of 95 will get nothing … and love it. There’s like 10 million people competing for 30 spots … and there’s no affirmative action.

      Still :: if you see him like that then that is how you see him … that’s cool.

      And seeing as how he’s dead and everything … I’m not totally uncomfortable classifying him as a victim/predator like you’ve done. This site is supposed to be mostly about psychopathy … and it’s quite possible that you’re just born like that … born to be an unbelievably bad pox upon society. It’s not really fair … and it’s kinda sad in a meta sort of way.

      But this …

      We created Don Lapre… Our greed, our selfishness, we took this childlike mind, this semi-retarded infant – look in his eyes and you’ll see it, he really is borderline retarded… We the sheeple and our social norms shaped him – don’t be confused, it was our demands that he sought to fill…

      … is way wrong.

      It’s the greed and selfishness of sicko animals like Don Lapre and his enablers that create the demand for false goods with open lies :: manipulation :: and fraud. For more than 20 years now they’ve been paying hundreds of millions of dollars to bombard people with lies using mass media. It’s working.

      The scammers :: their capitalist/business enablers :: the political class … are responsible for all this suffering. And NONE of them have ignorance as an excuse.

      And :: as a matter of opinion :: I completely disagree that suicide is ever honorable {excluding the terminally ill and such}. The bullshit on Don’s website right now is the equivalent of his suicide note :: and it basically says …

      “My death is all the fault of you people not trying … but at least I lived it up.”

      MLM speak to the bitter fucking end.

      Well thanks … but no thanks.

      I hope Don Lapre “rests” in the opposite of peace. Eternity isn’t long enough for him to pay off the suffering he caused.

      1. @SD,

        First – I tend to agree, under no circumstance is suicide an acceptable or honorable path. I just took the position that it was back while trolling James Ray, so I felt I needed to stand by my words… Nonetheless, I now recant, and reverse my position on ‘Suicide as an Honorable Atonement’ – It is a genuinely chumpy thing to do. So we agree on that…

        Second – I disagree that the requisite of the machine is to exist in a state of pure greed. I think, that it is possible to face a vortex of greed of that draws one in, gradually consuming, and corrupting a weak spirit or mind until outwardly they begin to parrot the behaviors of the psychopath.

        …and in a machine where to achieve financially is to fail morally, there will inevitably be victims at every strata.

        It is this ‘Something for Nothing’ paradigm where it seems we actually differ in opinion, in that you say:

        “It’s the greed and selfishness of sicko animals like Don Lapre and his enablers that create the demand for false goods with open lies :: manipulation :: and fraud. For more than 20 years now…”

        While what I see, is over 2,000 years of the same patter, the same pursuit of filling the demands of a greedy marketplace – with enablers, victims, and fiends at every level – – –

        It’s 2,000+ years of people demanding something for nothing, and exploiters seeking to feed off that demand, the last twenty is little more than new spin on the same old patter of “Accept our Faith and get Absolution, Paradise, and a Cracker…”

        …except now, the promise is immediate riches and a bag of chips.

        …so and while I agree with you and applaud your efforts day in and day out, I think : : and of course, my thoughts are trivial : : nonetheless, I think that there are victims at every level of the system. From the top to the bottom, the entire thing is fetid.

        And truth be told, it is you who has opened my eyes to the hydra nature of this machine – and as you lop it’s heads off one by one, you draw my attention to the truth – that so long as we the sheeple continue to consume and demand promises of something for nothing – each psychopathic head will just be replaced with a new one…

  18. He would have lived a long, thieving, life of ripping people off with no remorse if he hadn’t been caught. He was caught, and he took the douchely coward’s way out. No sympathy from me. A real man or woman would have faced the music, maybe finding some way to potentially help those he gleefully ripped off through the good years. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time, I say. I think he took the easy way out.

  19. The worst part is he had children. I am totally against these people more than anything else. But it goes to show you this, the man was really a shit hole. How many people would stab themselves in that way to kill themselves? That is a gruesome way to go, just to avoid jail time. He thought way too much of himself to really give a shit about the people he fucked over. This shows you the piece of shit he really is, he didn’t think about his kids, his wife or any real redemption for the shit he caused. Instead he took his own life so he didn’t have to deal with the repercussions.

    This guy IS the greatest douche in the world and I am going to take out tiny little ads to state it.

  20. Is it true that Don tried to cut off his own penis? Why did the report say he has slash marks at his groin?

  21. I wonder if he committed suicide to protect any remaining assets for his family before he went to trial.

    Sort of like the lucky timing of Ken Lay’s death (Enron). He had been found guilty, but not yet sentenced when he had a “heart attack” while on vacation.

    “Prosecutors in Lay’s trial declined comment Wednesday, both on his death and what may become of their effort to seek $43.5 million from Lay that they say he pocketed as part of the conspiracy.”

    They weren’t able to touch a dime because he was dead and it all went to his estate.

    Some people can’t be trusted even in death.

  22. As soon as I heard the news, my intuition told me he was “suicided”. Unless they were mentally ill, what guy would really slice themselves in the groin area?

    Somebody he ripped off or somebody he worked with probably had him whacked.

    1. @Anonymous ::

      Tune in to to CBS News tonight to hear more …

      Then tune in to CBS tonight at 3am to see the same scams live on … forever bitches!

      1. @Bonnie, I think some of these folks popped in here and failed to see that @SD posted this prior to the man’s death. Not much prior…bur prior. I was just thinking anyone new who is blind and doesn’t pay attention might mistake all this for a followup to his death, not realizing it appeared before he took his life.

        Not that they don’t get what they deserve if they are blind and don’t pay attention…

  23. “the incredible product store” video posted above, is the funniest thing I’ve seen in years.

    Reality stranger than fiction

    “imagine if there was a new way to advertise your product!”

    Don Lapre invented it!

    it’s in the mall! it’s a store, where you can look at posters! Watch a video! And get a brochure!

    Seriously… ? That’s it?

    This was possibly the worst marketing idea in the world ever conceived

    But Don Lapre ran with it anyway

    There’s a unique blend of childish innocence, scammy idea (possibly conceived during a drug binge???), and complete disregard of basic understanding of marketing psychology that makes this an incredibly unique train wreck…

    And you HAVE to be delighted by the co-host’s body language … And macho gestures…

    Stuff like that never happen in real life….. Oh wait… It did

    I m watching this again

    1. @Wide Eyes,

      A store in the mall that just has advert posters + brochures + videos? Set up like in arcade game cabinets?

      Man, it would be better ROI to rent kiosks in the mall corridor. That way you have guaranteed foot traffic from passers by.

  24. He has created more victims than he should have been allowed to…where are the TV stations who ran his scam

    Where are the government agencies who let this go on much too long

    The fact that he racked up 32 million in stolen sales revenue is on the government and the TV stations.

    They are just as guilty of a crime…negligence is not a defense

    1. @Shit Storm, Careful what you wish for. A “regulated” press would no longer be free and, given the current “flavor” of Washington, they would legislate @SD and anyone else who dared offend them right out of existence. Perhaps a law that publishers/broadcasters receiving X complaints about an advertiser must pull the ads and investigate…but otherwise this enters into a lot of extremely touchy and vital constitutional issues.

      1. @Poop Chute

        Alright then … you are ignoring our one comment per post rule … and I’m too busy to worry about it now.

        So we’ll consider you reformed. If I have to do something again … I’m just gonna ban ya. There’s lots of people here who want to talk … and that’s how I want it … don’t forget it.

        PS :: Commercial speech … most especially commercials themselves … aren’t protected by the Constitution. They’re commerce … not speech.

  25. The authorities released more information. Evidently he cut himself, he was in jail, and he had been prescribed anti-depressants.

    CBS and UK tabloid The Daily Mail report his mother claims his anti-depressants were taken away when he was put in jail.

    CBS is still reporting that his trial was supposed to begin today, but The Daily Mail, MSNBC and The Arizona Republic are all reporting that it was scheduled for October 2012. (That Republic article is pretty pro-Lapre, BTW.) I don’t see his case in today’s docket, but they would’ve removed it yesterday, right?

      1. @Dimitri,

        This may be unpopular, but I honestly hope his family keeps the pressure on the authorities to investigate. When a person commits suicide while under another person’s supervision it may be the first sign of systematic neglect or abuse that could end in tragedy. This time it was a douchebag scammer who cheated people out of hard-earned money and then cheated them out of their day in court. If there’s systematic neglect, next time it could be a person whose unfortunate circumstances or mental health problems landed them in the Florence, Arizona, lockup.

    1. @Aristoletes Italia,

      “Internet marketing”/marketers is a euphemism for MMO scams/sellers [[Lapre fits the bill]]. I was going to refer to it a misnomer, but I realized that technically that would be incorrect, since “internet marketers” are “marketing” the internet as a place of unicornian riches [[which is what they are really selling]]. The frauduct is the Bag-o-crap [[illusion of “goods”]], which keeps this from being seen as the outright pyramid scheme it is.

      That said, Jobs [[or more correctly Apple]] may utilize the internet as a marketing/”distribution” channel, but Steve Jobs was NOT an “internet marketer”.

      Now…do you want one of my balls of yarn to keep you busy…

        1. @_cartman_, Wow, plus he threw in Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates and a bunch of others for good measure.

          How about that headline?

          “Steve Jobs – What Did The Worlds Smartest, Richest And Most Successful Man Have To Say About You?”

          Do you think he’ll show up at the funeral to pass out business cards?

        1. @Yakaru, I think it solves my confusion about the talk we had with him when you told me mr. N. was only trying to *emulate* thinking.

      1. @Lanna,

        Still at it, eh? Even after you posted that I supposedly “scammed Poor Beverly” and it turns out she was THANKING ME and mentioned nothing about me scamming her or anybody – which proved that you were deliberately lying or simply didn’t read what she said – which IMMEDIATELY discredited you in your argument. And to any intelligent reader, it would discredit you completely. See “poor Beverly’s” post again here people: Beverly’s Post

        Anyone with class would have apologized for making such a STUPID mistake, or would at least admit that they lied, twisted words or didn’t even read the lady’s comment to begin with…

        But why would I expect decency from people who spend their time slandering people they don’t even know on some Salty Droid website? LOL.

        You might have your opinions about ME being some kind of bad person, but you are horrible and disgusting with your condescending language, radical theories, childish insults and completely false information that you twisted with lies.

        I bet you that your response won’t say ANYTHING about how you lied about “poor Beverly” nor will it contain any sort of apology to me or the readers of this thread for your misinformation. You’ll just throw another bunch of names, insults and theories about me or the business I am in.

        What a WASTE of energy you are.

        You people really should use this energy of yours to change the world into a better place by taking action on REAL ISSUES. There are senators you can write to about important issues going on in the country, you can fight for REAL causes, hold fundraisers, do charity work, etc. You want to spend hours attacking ME??? You only look like fools doing so and you are wasting VALUABLE time of your lives.

        1. Shane Natan ::

          So :: you don’t like being called a scammer … it gets you all hot behind the sunglasses … and your solution is to come to saltydroid.info and throw a multi-day hissy fit where you say stupid fuck things like “hearing from my lawyers” … plural?

          I think maybe if you thought about that you’d see that where once there was one comment about you :: now there are fifty. A couple days ago I was never going to remember your name … one hissy fit later and now I won’t be able to forget your name Shane Natan.

          Cut your losses chump.

        2. @S.N.,

          Dear scammer Shane Natan:

          Wow, does that sound like a victim of a scam? Thanking me?

          Poor Linda made a (now private) video thanking 21 IM-MMO scammers similar to IM-MMO scammer Shane Natan for scamming her. So, yes, that does sound like a victim of a scam thanking scammer Shane Natan for scamming her.

          Just because poor Beverly hasn’t realized she was scammed by IM-MMO scammer Shane Natan doesn’t mean you didn’t bilk her for $9 with the intent to bilk her for a whole lot more. This site is full of commenters who’ve just realized they were scammed by your scammer buddies, Shane Natan. Poor Betty just posted one now. Thinking about emulating scammer Bill Harris and scamming little old ladies out of their government checks, scammer Shane Natan?

          You’re just a step away from that, scammer Shane Natan. You already actively recruit Web-illiterate marks like Beverly (a la Mark Victor Hansen and Anthony Morrison) for scammer Shane Natan’s CPA-a-thon 12-Month Membership scam by giving your scam affiliates scam swipe copy saying your scam’s “NEWBIE FRIENDLY: NO WEBSITE(S) NEEDED!”

          Equally, a plumber who advertises his business online is also Internet Marketing. Is that a scam too?

          No, plumbers who advertise their businesses online are called plumbers.

          . . . bitter people who have more than likely tried and FAILED . . .

          Like how you tried and failed at that rockabilly band thing, princess?

          Or like when you tried and failed as a music tutor, maybe because you lied about your admittedly prestigious performing arts high school being a college?

          Was lying about that the first step to becoming an IM-MMO scammer, Shane Natan?

          If you dealt with as many clients as I have you’d understand exactly what I am talking about. Have you ever been to a restaurant where there are customers who seem like they are just utter nightmares?

          I haven’t dealt with any nightmare restaurant customers because I’ve never worked in a restaurant. Is that what you did while you were trying to be a musician, before you became a scammer? Is that when you went to the dark side, scammer Shane Natan? Did you get so fed up with Web-illiterate marks like Beverly coming in with their sweaters and walkers and leaving no tip that you were eager to scam them out of every last penny of their retirement?

          How dare you insult me and call me names when you don’t even know me?

          Because when I started looking into you, scammer Shane Natan, it was to defend you. I thought the person who started this convo baited you, and it seemed reasonable that you wrote those iPad articles without realizing you were participating in a scam, Shane Natan.

          I had hoped to come back here and tell everybody, “Hey, that kid wrote some sketchy articles, but he’s on the up-and-up. He’s mostly helping plumbers with their online advertising.” Instead I found scammer Shane Natan perpetrating the same pattern of scams as all the other IM-MMO scammers on this website.

          Intelligent readers, I apologize for making the STUPID mistake of initially thinking scammer Shane Natan might not be a full-blown IM-MMO scammer.

          Scammer Shane Natan, I apologize for ever thinking you might be anything other than a low-down, dirty scammer perpetrating IM scams.

          (Every day, in every way, I am becoming more aware of my own gullibility.)

          Still at it, eh?

          Yes, I’m still discussing the low valuation of “nofollow” backlinks from negative comments in a post-DecorMyEyes world.

          If you are thinking about emulating scammer Vitaly Borker, scammer Shane Natan, you should think about how many years you’re willing to spend in
          prison for fraud. (If those shades you’re wearing to hide your beady scammer’s eyes are knock-off Versace 2049 Sunglasses, you should also wash the pee off.)

          Maybe you can start a rockabilly band in prison?

          But why would I expect decency from people who spend their time slandering people they don’t even know on some Salty Droid website? LOL.

          I think the word you are looking for is libel, pretty pretty princess. No, scammers like scammer Shane Natan shouldn’t expect to be treated with decency on the Salty Droid website.

          There are senators you can write to about important issues going on in the country, you can fight for REAL causes, hold fundraisers, do charity work, etc. You want to spend hours attacking ME???

          Well, aren’t you a nice little to-do list reminder, scammer Shane Natan. Yes, in addition to my regular pro bono work, I want to spend hours ensuring that no more folks like Beverly are scammed into scammy scams by scammer Shane Natan.

          1. @Lanna,

            “No, plumbers who advertise their businesses online are called plumbers.”

            Lanna, could you maybe give a warning comment maybe one or two comments in advance when you are going to use what they call a “zinger” like that, since some of us may have coffee in our mouths, and also be out of monitor wipes. I tried just using an old sock instead, but then I ended up almost twisting my ankle.

          2. @Lanna,

            Well said! I laughed even more reading your comment than I did reading Shane Natan’s, and that’s saying something.

            @Shane Natan aka S.N.

            See where a little willful self deception can land you? The pro’s don’t bother with that, that’s why they never comment here. But keep going. It’s been really funny so far.

        3. @S.N.,

          I believe what @SD is trying to say is that you are caught in quicksand.

          You feel as though you’ve been falsely accused or that you’re being talked about unfairly here.

          But me, I’ve only just barely skimmed the comments, and the way you write about yourself doesn’t make you look very savory.

          It seems to me you’re trying to justify yourself to the people on this site.

          But that won’t ever work. If it takes you that many words and that much effort to try to justify… if it’s that hard for you to explain yourself…

          Don’t you see? All those angry attempts to vindicate yourself just make you look more guilty.

          There is no winning move for you here by commenting about yourself. There’s the possibility for loss (by continued commenting) or maybe a draw (by not commenting further), but, to my knowledge at least, no way for you to “win”.


          Furry cows moo and decompress.

  26. It sounds like you got your info 3rd or 4th or 5th hand! I worked for the bankruptcy trustee that bilked the company for ungodly amounts of money, sold Don’s namesake & proprietary rights out from under him, put a hold on all refunds and ran the company in the ground.

    I blew the whistle on the Real Criminal (NOT
    Don!) and was promptly and publicly fired! Don hired me because he has always valued loyalty and I saw first hand his struggle to make things right in the wake of the trustee’ plunderi.g the company. THEY wouldnt do the right thing & Don paid the ultimate price. Sometimes no matter how you try to do the right thing…the bastards wear you down…and that’s what happened here. Oh…if you don’t know his family & the love he had/s has for them? Shut it.

    People DiD benefit from his programs…if they worked it. How about suing lRge cosmetic companies because their products didn’t make an ugly person attractive!!! Same principal.

    This is aTragedy of major proportion….and the Greed of the system is at the Source of it all. I was there…preparing the underhanded documents that put undeserved monies in the pockets of trustees (right!!!) And their friends while setting Don up for the fall

    He couldn’t bear the thought of his wife & kids visiting him in jail for 20 years+. Let the system go after you,your good name & your hard earned dollars so THEY could get access to your money (the man worked 20+ hrs a day!!) And see how long you last!

    1. @GiGi,

      Complaining about Trustees whilst suffering from a TeRrible cAse of RanDoM CaPITalisAtion DisORDER? Ms Cox, I presume?

    2. @GiGi,

      “Don hired me because he has always valued loyalty”

      You mean Don hired you because you were always willing to drive the getaway car?

    3. @GiGi,

      Is this your blog? You must be quite the early adopter to have been using Blogger when it was still owned by Pyra. Why did you feel the need to update it April 21, 2011, at 2:23:28 PM?

      In 1988, Lapre declared Chapter 7 bankruptcy, but I imagine you’re referring to the June 29, 1999, Chapter 11 filing covering Don and his companies Tropical Beaches, New Strategies, Dolphin Media, Don’s Making Money and National Lifetime Reminder Service.

      Direct Marketing News tells me, “The trustee in the case was not named at press time,” which was August 3, 1999. Are you naming names, GiGi?

      My second-hand info from this article in the Phoenix New Times sure makes it sound like Don remained in charge after 1999. This other article also from the Phoenix New Times doesn’t give any indication that Don left before Tropical Beaches et al. were purchased by “snake-oil salesman” Joseph Deihl’s Regency Medical Research, Ltd. and formed into Universal Business Strategies (UBS) in 2001.

      (We know from the Wayback Machine that sometime between November 2001 and March 2002 Don posted on his website that he was upset with UBS for continuing to use TV spots in which he appeared, but Deihl/Regency/UBS were the new owners, not the bankruptcy trustee.)

      When Don was interviewed for the January 2000 article, he told them, “”I spread myself too thin operations-wise, but now I brought in a chief operating officer and a chief executive officer.'” With Don, his attorneys C. Taylor Ashworth and Alisa Lacey, new COO Vern Schweigert from Biltmore Associates financial management firm, and a new CEO taking charge, I’m not sure how a bankruptcy trustee could wield enough power to run the company into the ground.

      The United States Courts website explained about the “ungodly amounts of money” trustees get to charge:

      By law, the debtor in possession must pay a quarterly fee to the U.S. trustee for each quarter of a year until the case is converted or dismissed. 28 U.S.C. § 1930(a)(6). The amount of the fee, which may range from $250 to $10,000, depends on the amount of the debtor’s disbursements during each quarter.

      The Phoenix New Times said that while Don’s businesses had at one point “raked in between $1.2 million and $1.6 million a week,” in January 2000 they were “bankrupt but still bringing in about $100,000 per day, according to attorney Alisa Lacey.” So, if they were grossing $36.5 million annually, let’s assume the trustee got paid at the high end of the scale, using 2012 numbers even though this was a 1999 bankruptcy. That’s $40,000 a year. Compare that to Don’s annual salary, which was slashed “to a mere half-million.”

      Is $40k really that much for overseeing the finances of a $36 million business? I don’t think it is. Let me know your thoughts on this, GiGi. Maybe it’s just a difference of opinion.

      On to your other points, I really don’t see a connection between the 1999 bankruptcy and Don’s 2011 suicide. Despite his alleged assertion, “‘If I had a gun right now, I’d shoot myself,'” in ’99, he seemed to bounce back. He spent the oughties pitching The Greatest Vitamin in the World, The Greatest Weight Loss Pill in the World and NutraForia.

      I’d say his suicide was brought on by the U.S. DoJ’s 41-count indictment, combined with his mental health issue and allegedly the prison personnel taking away his anti-depressants.


  27. I worked for the bankruptcy trustee that bilked the company for ungodly amounts of money …

    If only you knew how stupid that was … then you would know how stupid you are.

    Don Lapre was a criminal … and an unimpressive criminal at that … he will not be missed.

    End of story.

  28. I knew Don Lapre before he made it big. When he was painting houses for a living. He was a good guy and always trying to help people and figure out how to make it work so he could take care of himself. He made it big as a contractor bidding on big construction painting jobs and was set. But he always talked about his ideas to help other people make money so that others could share in his success. Unfortunately… with his limited education (you’ve got to love the pathetic American educational system)… he was terribly disorganized… and he placed trust in several people that he shouldn’t have. Those people hid behind Don Lapre and he was forced to pay the piper. It was his bad though… his bad choices… but I don’t believe he had bad intentions. It wasn’t at all like Don to have bad intentions… if you knew him.

    When I became disabled during the Gulf War and got out of service, I struggled to adjust to civilian life with my disabilities. I attended college and quickly discovered how disappointed I was in the students around me. All of them applying their education towards careers that made the best income with the least amount of work… very few of them actually applying themselves to do things that made them happy… things they wanted to do. Everyone just wanted to make money so they could work less….and the learning didn’t really matter… only the grades. It’s scary when you think about someone in health care with those ideals.

    Out of curiosity (mostly), I purchased Don Lapre’s “Making Money” program and after reading it, realized why so many people were claiming that it didn’t work. It’s because it involved “WORK”. Don made it look really easy on the infomercials… and in fact, his “Making Money” program was easy… IF you were willing to “do the work” that he laid out in his program…AND if you had something of value (information/product) to sell. Don told me that most of the people that purchased his program and sent it back for a refund…hadn’t even taken the trouble to open it. How can the program work for you if you don’t even read it? Even a kid can make money at a lemonade stand… but you have to SIT there and you have to have LEMONADE. People just aren’t up for work. Our society is full of lazy pant-loads that wish to purchase success and have their asses wiped for them for $19.99 (shipping and fondling extra) and claim that if someone else says it’s “EASY” that they shouldn’t have to provide any effort at all. Then the first loud-mouth “pant-load” whines “This doesn’t work! It’s a fraud!!” and we quickly see all of the weak-minded automatons chime in with their mob-mentality, joining in with their pitch forks and torches.. driving crosses in the ground and shouting for justice. It’s a sad state to find yourself with disabilities surrounded by fat lazy slobs who cry when they’re not fed, instead of applying personal effort and getting off of their asses. I used the techniques that Don suggested, with great success and am now retired at 42.

    I met with Don several times… and he was always trying to figure out how to help people to make money by helping other people… and found out that most people want that too.

    Wouldn’t it be nice to make money by helping people?

    Don could have quit. Believe it or not… at one time Don was way ahead of the game. Zipping off to islands… probably not being the best father or husband… but he didn’t need to do anything else for the rest of his life… but in his success, he still was trying to figure out a way to help people to share in his success… to have what he had. …and it was (most likely) that passion to help people that was his undoing.

    Don saw the lucrative market for vitamins and how most people were taking several different kinds of vitamins… so he pulled together a team to create the “ultimate vitamin”… something people could take on a regular basis… a product that would be purchased over and over… helping people to be healthy and have the convenience of just taking one “ultimate vitamin”… then, to sell it to their friends… and so on and so on. This way, you make money… your friends are healthy… they help their friends to be healthy and they make money. At least from what I understand, this was the “idea”.
    At least from what I understand, that was the “idea”.

    Again… lack of organization, misplaced trust, bad choices, and a society that was gnashing at the teeth for him. Personally, I’m surprised that he lasted as long as he did.

    He was crazy to keep sticking his neck out like that. To keep trying to help other people that were all just wanting a piece of him as opposed to WORKING FOR A LIVING. I guess he WAS a douche.

    Had he not been so wanting to help people, he probably would have made a lot more money and would probably still be around to enjoy it. Maybe he would even have the free time to sit on his ass and write pathetic ramblings and whine like a pussy on the internet about someone he didn’t even know personally.

    1. @William :: You are such a n00b that I just puked in my mouth reading the ballsack emanations of your comment.

      after reading it, realized why so many people were claiming that it didn’t work. It’s because it involved “WORK”. Don made it look really easy on the infomercials… and in fact, his “Making Money” program was easy… IF you were willing to “do the work” that he laid out in his program…AND if you had something of value (information/product) to sell.

      This is the standard apologist view for all BizOpps / MLM / MMO scams. You sound like a paid testimonial. At least you admitted you were “on the inside” in your comment.

      But, since you are such a doofus, I will help you understand:

      Even if you “do the work” … Don Lapre’s “business” can never “work” because it is an economically unsound business model.

      Just like ponzi schemes, over-leveraged derivatives bubbles, or the fiat world currency systems … Don Lapre’s type of “business” relies on a constantly increasing rate of growth — just to maintain the status quo.

      It is a monster that needs to keep eating more of its own children every day … just to survive. For the monster to grow, it requires a geometrically accelerating rate of input. It requires more & more blood sacrifice.

      For all the motion in the pyramid, it only functions, ultimately, to pad the pockets of those at the top … at the expense of EVERYONE ELSE!

      Nice form of “WORK” smart guy.

      The world is mathematically certain to be better off when people return & refund Don Lapre’s type bullshit w/o ever opening it. Because all they will do if they decide to “do the work” is to STEAL from the innocent & spread the monster’s plague!

      Just because his systems took “WORK” to make them “work” doesn’t mean they are legitimate.

      An extortion ring takes a lot of work … as does operating an international banking cartel & bankrupting world economies … please come here & start defending one of those next, n00b.

    2. @William,

      All of them applying their education towards careers that made the best income with the least amount of work

      We call that “efficiency.”

      . . . if you had something of value (information/product) to sell.

      But Don promised the whole biz-in-a-box, product included.

      Even a kid can make money at a lemonade stand

      I have to assume that with your great personal success, you know how ludicrous that is. If you made kids with lemonade stands pay for labor, equipment and real estate, they’d be in the red fast. That’s not to mention health dept. certification and permits, street vendor licensing, sales tax reporting, corporate tax prep, annual corporate fees and insurance. You’ll tell me that’s ludicrous to ask lemonade stand kids to pay all that crap, and I’ll tell you that’s why your attempt to draw a comparison to them is ludicrous.

      Our society is full of lazy pant-loads that wish to purchase success and have their asses wiped for them for $19.99

      And Don was willing to sell them that empty promise!

      I used the techniques that Don suggested, with great success and am now retired at 42.

      Email those tax returns or corporate annual reports to the proprietor of this site and prove it.

      most people were taking several different kinds of vitamins

      Yeah, probably. Because people are fuckin’ different from one another! Women need more iron and calcium. Old people need different vitamins than young people. Vegans need different vitamins from people on the steak-only meal plan. Centrum, the “A to Zinc” one-a-day multivitamin, now has 11 different all-in-one multivitamins

  29. Hei people… how can you write such a shity comments on someone and use his name at the same time, and you all are using nicknames and hiding. Any person whom’s time has worth it wouldn’t give a sh.t on your comments and attacks. So silly. It is not even about service, it is about commenting… it is meaningless and all it says to people around the world is “stay away from people who write such comments”.

    1. @getit ::

      “Don Lapre is/was The Greatest Douche in the World. He should have been incarcerated for the last twenty years … instead of ruining lives carte blanche.”

      ~ Jason M. Jones
      Chicago, Illinois

      Happy now?

  30. To the pathetic guy who wrote this long long line of bullshit about Don Lapre, all I can say is you are one sorry piece of Sh–. Little frickin cry baby who hasn’t gotten far in life and has to blame everyone but himself. Don Lapre was a genious and very very smart. Thousands of people have their very own successful business because of him, so let’s give credit where it’s due. You and I both know that even the Feds make mistakes. Don Lapre was innocent . He’s the lucky one. No longer has to live in this world with evil jeolous people like yourself. Only the good die young jerk off. It takes a man with balls to do what he did. Something you will never have. So go hide behind your nasty emails to the world and keep feeling sorry for yourself…

    1. @Debbie, You are one demented psycho. Lapre was a crook and a coward, leaving his victims AND his family in the dust. If you believe in that sorry, selfish shitbag so much, fully identify yourself and be proud of it. You can’t, and you won’t, because you’re just talking shit.

  31. There is a HUGE elephant in the room that no one seems to be talking about… Personal responsibility. Seriously, just because something is being sold on tv does NOT mean it’s a reasonable opportunity. It is not the responsibility of the television station to protect consumers from possibly risky opportunities. And did you ever wonder WHY infomercials generally run at night? It’s because it’s super cheap to run them at that time! Are you all SHEEPLE or WHAT?!? Now you want the television stations to monitor your daily dose of infomercials so that you and your money won’t be parted? REALLY? Grow up and put on your big kid pants and quit your sniveling! Common sense says NOT to spend money on shit you cannot afford… If you can’t afford to pay your bills AND try to run your own business from home, then pay your bills and look into another way to fund your dream. Yeah, Don Lapre may have sold a pipe dream to some people, but DAMN! He was a charismatic and engaging speaker. He found his way to make money, and he lived his dream for as long as he could. Did it ever occur to anyone here that most of the people that purchased those programs usually didn’t even work them on their own? They paid for the additional advertising, coaching and other add-ons because they wanted someone else to work it for them. That’s where the REAL money is made in ANY infomercial company, the back end and coaching. I honestly believe that if Don had gone to trial, it would have been hard to make it stick because a business venture is ALWAYS RISKY! Most new businesses FAIL within the first two years. I could go on and on, but the bottom line is, Don Lapre found a way to provide a lifestyle and fame for himself that was unlike anything anyone else had ever done, and he paid the ultimate price for it. Stop taking it to a personal level, because after all, it was only business.

    1. @MzE,

      Lapre demonstrated that running a scam is also a risk. And he’s hardly the first one to drive his life into a ditch like that either. To cast him in the role of victim rather than villain is also par for the course, by the way.

      Using charisma to sell pipe dreams on the edge of legality, and then repeatedly trying to jump ship each time one sinks, is not a stable lifestyle. “Succeeding” at it isn’t “living the dream”; it’s enforcing the illusion — for personal gain at the expense of others. It’s nothing to be proud of, or to emulate.

    2. @MzE,

      ‘Yeah, Don Lapre may have sold a pipe dream to some people, but DAMN! He was a charismatic and engaging speaker. He found his way to make money, and he lived his dream for as long as he could.’

      I’ll let George Carlin say it about the dream: “its called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it”

      1. @pigs trotters,

        Yeah if @Rev.Dr. wants us to be positive, then we should be talking about George Carlin instead of Don Lapre.

        George was an awesome comedian and had many cool things to say. Many funny bits that made life suck less, at least for a little while.

        Thanks, George. I’m sorry that mortal coil thingie caught up with you.

        But then it gets us all eventually.

        memento mori

        Ok, so maybe that wasn’t so positive after all. *shrug* Hey, what can I say? I guess an article about a dead guy who sucked (Don Lapre) just brings out the morbid in me.

  32. Much negativity here. If we can look at the positive things that Mr. Lapre has done rather than what is being said would be the way to go. God bless you all.

    1. @Rev.Dr.,

      Thank you for your negative judgment. Should you decide to add some kind of justification for your vague, arrogant, shallow, but thankfully brief lecture, I’m sure someone will be happy to respond.

    2. @Rev.Dr.,

      Focusing on the positive is always the way to go.

      So… what good works of Lapre’s did you have in mind?

      Or maybe on second thought, please don’t answer that.

      If you wanna stay positive, your first good move would be…forget Don Lapre.

      Furry cows moo and decompress.

    3. @Rev.Dr., It’s such wisdom to neglect all victims’ suffering in light of even the most miniscule of positive thing maybe some-one did or pretended to do. Focus on the positive of the victimizer – neglect the victims. Good thinkin’ there, D.R. Rev.

    4. @Rev.Dr.,

      To my mind the most positive thing ol’ Don did was to top himself when he realised that the gig was up and a long stint in poky beckoned.

      He knew his schtick wouldn’t fly inside so, cheat and coward to the last, he pre-empted his justified punishment.

      The ‘positive’ is that he saved the suffering tax payer a few bucks on his future living costs in jail.

  33. Don was a leader in the scam industry…. My Idol! Sorry, I won’t be “cutting out” so soon :)

    Everyone deserves exactly what they get.

    Thanks for your donation, God Bless!

  34. Don Lapre was I repeat was and always will be a lowlife piece of shit /needless to say a dead piece of shit ;but a lowlife piece of shit regardless.

  35. Here is another review of Mr. Scammer Shane Natan frauducts: (quote)

    Anonymous said…

    Very interesting about Shane Natan. I signed up to his so called “coaching” course.He tried to sell me a fiverr clone set up script.He got upset when I called fivver clones a rip off.What a scam. Natan’s course is rip off of and so are his schemes and coaching garbage that he sells on warriorforum

    Source:http://www.warriorforumsucks.com/2011/09/naomi-dunford-salty-droid.html

  36. I enjoyed reading this post. I actually felt sorry for Don Lapre after learning of his demise, even though I was taken by his “tiny classified ads” money making infomercial back in the early 90’s. Yes, I purchased his money making package. I couldn’t but help admire his charisma, energy and public speaking ability. He was one hell of a marketer. He sure fooled me anyways.

  37. I just want to know about the women of Don Lapre? I am not talking about his wife or daughters either.

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