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screwed by Matt Harward said:
Wait till u see the affiliate prizes – all paid for by the buyers of course…
WINNER!! ::   +11
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SD Reply:
April 19th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
@screwed by Matt Harward ::
Yeah let’s do it. Someone paste in the prize list :: the leaderboard :: and the JV/affiliate recruit page.
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Alejandro Reply:
April 24th, 2011 at 8:56 am
Better yet, let’s post a “buy now” link for the product.
Those who read and appreciate the Salty Droid blog should BUY the products sold by the people being written about here.
1) It buys the purchaser a right to give a legitimate opinion about the merits of the product all over the Internet.
2) It provides an avenue through which to test if refunds really *are* provided, as promised.
The benefits of this strategy should be obvious. If just 50 people who visit this blog regularly buy the product, evaluate it, and conclude it’s total crap — they can legitimately shout their informed opinions from the rooftops on various forums and other related venues. They can also request a refund.
Now imagine if the refund request is denied — in contravention of the stated refund policy provided on the sales pages of these products. Not only would this enable the purchaser to pursue a chargeback (and easily win), but it would also add some very serious “teeth” to complaints filed with the FTC and other related agencies.
For my part, I refer people to this blog through backlinks and other related methodologies so they can become more informed consumers. So I’m not here trying to tell others what to do while sitting on my hands.
BTW — if you buy a product from one of these people and everything works out for you and the product makes you wealthy (as promised), be fair and give credit where credit is due. I’m open minded to that possibility.
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Iforget Reply:
May 1st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Bought something from Kern once. Nice, glossy pictures but no substance. Kind of like cotton candy.
I got a refund plus my continuity was cancelled. No hassles, very polite the whole time.
I think Kern has learned that lesson and has probably told the rest of his budz not to dink around in this area.
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# 19 April 2011 at 5:09 pm

Jack said:
Too bad I guess they can’t afford a real attorney to figure all that disclaimer and fTc compliance stuff out – probably just best to hang around in the living room and “wing it” i guess.
Also, probably an attorney would make them follow the law or something stupid like that.
WINNER!! ::   +19
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# 19 April 2011 at 5:22 pm

Shit Storm said:
Dear Irwin,
You’re a world class piece of shit…
You will stand before the man for your actions…prepare yourself
WINNER!! ::   +14
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# 19 April 2011 at 5:47 pm

anonymous said:
The shit clock is ticking Irwin, for you, your shit products and your shit turd friends. Big dirty shit hawks, they’re coming Mr Iwin.. they’re flying in low, they’re swooping down, shitting on people and dragging them off to the big shit nest.
WINNER!! ::   +13
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SD Reply:
April 19th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
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B Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
@SD,
Trailer Park Boys! With Swedish (?) subtitles!
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 19 April 2011 at 6:06 pm

Jack said:
I like this tiny-impossible-too-little-too-read disclaimer at the bottom of the MMM page:
Per the current FTC guidelines, we are in the process of collecting results data from Traffic Geyser members in order to be able define the “typical” or “average” experience of our members. While we collect that data, we are sharing unique stories of individual Traffic Geyser members. None of these stories in any way represent the “average” or “typical” Traffic Geyser member experience. In fact, as with any product or service, we know that some members purchase our system but never use it, and therefore get no results from their membership whatsoever. Therefore, the member stories we are sharing can neither represent nor guarantee the current or future experience of other past, current or future Traffic Geyser members. Rather, these member stories represent what is possible with our system. Each of these unique stories, and any and all results reported in these stories by individual members, are the culmination of numerous variables, many of which Traffic Geyser cannot control, including pricing, target market conditions, product/service quality, offer, customer service, personal initiative, and countless other tangible and intangible factors.
I wonder how long they’ll be “collecting” that data for?
FTC: “Hi, Mike. You done collecting that required “typical results” data for us yet?
Mike K: “No, still working on it FTC”
FTC: “But it’s been a really long time and we’re getting tired of waiting to take some sort of FTC-type action against you”.
Mike K: “Can you hang on a little longer? We were JUST about done collecting all that typical results data when all kinds of videos got deleted from YouTube for spamming – so now we have to figure out a new number for you”.
FTC: How much longer will that take?
Mike K: “Should be any day now – we just have to update our disclaimer first to make people think we’re in compliance with the FTC so that when they ask if we filed our bizop registrations we can point them to the disclaimer which has nothing to do with their question and totally confuse and make them think they can’t get a refund.
FTC: You didn’t file your bizop registrations?
Mike K: Did I say that? I don’t think I said that.
FTC: You said it – I have it in our chat transcript.
Mike K: Really? Probably I mispoke – btw, what’s a bizop registration? Is it that thing that Frank Kern forgets to file all the time?
FTC: Frank Kern. You know Frank Kern?
Mike K: Oh, I meant Mr. *Burns* from the Simpsons
FTC: Huh?
Mike K: Huh?
WINNER!! ::   +24
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SD Reply:
April 19th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
@Jack ::
for the wolf!
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gringo Reply:
April 19th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
@SD, got me to think…
“The Wolf of Wall Street”… hmm what was his name again…
Yeah,.. Jordan Belfort, The Wolf of Wall Street!
seems like this Wolf is dead too.. not literally, but certainly (The Straight Line System) to a dead relationship between himself (Jordan Belfort) and Frank Kern.
¡To the Wolf! (getting some Google love in return)
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Jack Reply:
April 19th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
@SD, Awesomeness!
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Unicorn Army Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 8:10 pm
@Jack, yeah… maybe I didn’t read that FTC “no more safe harbor, you idiots” memo correctly, and results-based testimonials and marketing doesn’t require the marketer to actually do the work to figure out what typical results are.
Or maybe, they’re just ignoring the rules again.
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Jack Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 8:23 pm
@Unicorn Army, Probably next time they need to put at the end of the no-safe-harbor text…
…special attention to all who have been subject of a particular blog run by a fake robot…
THIS MEANS YOU!!!
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# 19 April 2011 at 6:15 pm

Sundog said:
As a longtime marketing consultant…this shit is fucking hilarious.
And as someone who can design a website and help businesses find customers? These assholes make my life really, really hard. You wouldn’t believe how many businesses have already been scammed by some limply nerd with a Powerpoint.
If TrafficGeyser was any good, he wouldn’t have needed to repackage it.
WINNER!! ::   +20
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Holy Smokes Reply:
April 19th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
@Sundog, nail on the head!
WINNER!! ::   +10
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Vern Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:11 am
@Sundog, Right! The more something doesn’t work the more it needs to be promoted.
Remember the Google marketing campaign back in 2000? No? That’s because the search engine flat out worked, the benefit was obvious the first time you used it. Users told their friends, no promotion needed.
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Mobymom Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 11:25 am
@Sundog, No shit – every business client I have gets pounded by these MSM idiots through email, phone calls – even in person. And the bottom line is – the “Main Street” biz folk don’t buy from them! They actually take recommendations from others in their business circle. Or look for someone with actual credentials online!
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# 19 April 2011 at 8:35 pm

Mike's Much Needed Caning said:
I actually think that little rapper girl is hot. If she weren’t going to be enjoying the special woman love of Big Bertha in a cell I’d be asking her out.
What a fucking train wreck these morons have created!
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SD Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 12:59 am
@Mike’s Much Needed Caning ::
I think the little rapper girl is innocent … she says in the video description that she answered a CraigsList ad.
Of course :: she is guilty of the rapping.
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# 19 April 2011 at 9:12 pm

what?? said:
These people are truly disgusting. Nothing they do could be construed as mistakes…everything is very much planned and very much intentional. I’m just happy they are making it so crystal clear.
WINNER!! ::   +11
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# 19 April 2011 at 9:16 pm

Anonymous said:
Droid, how on earth do you acquire these recordings?! (FYI that was a rhetorical question, in case u hadn’t noticed.) I would have thought King Kern n co are starting to get a tad paranoid. I hope u r not giving them any sleepless nights, after all we don’t want them to start getting sloppy ;0)
WINNER!! ::   +14
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Anonymous Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
@ Anonymous, In these audios, Koenigs says he’s been recording the meeting. And it sounds like the mic is close to him.
Which means that the spy is in Koenigs’ lair.
God bless him. He’s doing the Lord’s work.
WINNER!! ::   +11
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# 19 April 2011 at 9:26 pm

Holy Smokes said:
Holy shinola! After this I think the Syndicate needs to change it’s theme song to:
People seriously pay these retards for business consulting? Please tell me that’s not true. No one is that stupid. If that’s you and you’re reading this I sure hope you’ve snapped out of it by now.
Every one of their customers needs to see this page. I had no idea how brazen these bastards are. Not only are they truly stupid they are arrogant to boot. If the round up doesn’t begin after this I will wonder what the Feds are up to. What more evidence do they bloody need at this point?
WINNER!! ::   +13
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SD Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 1:03 am
@Holy Smokes ::
Very few people would be stupid enough to buy this crap after seeing this page. But this is pretty much the opposite of the full-of-lies sales pitch people are hearing.
Believing a liar is not an indication of stupidity.
Recording your criminal conversations on the other hand … that’s fucking stupid.
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Shit Storm Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 9:04 am
@SD,
You would think they would wise up and turn off the recorder.
If irrefutable proof like this doesnt get the FTC going what will?
WINNER!! ::   +9
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# 19 April 2011 at 9:48 pm

Sundog said:
Hey Salty, any chance we can get the full recording?
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SD Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 1:10 am
@Sundog ::
No.
That’s the whole thing expect for a part where Amish comes into the room and everyone starts talking all at once so you can’t hear jack … and there is some talk about personal stuff {wives and such} that I won’t have here.
He started recording in the middle of the conversation and stopped recording before it was over.
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Sundog Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 9:17 am
@SD, Cool, I’ll take your word for it :) I can’t get enough of these “business planning” recordings though, so keep up the good work! It’s like watching a car crash.
Also, did you catch Cousin Jowlkins’ estimation that there’s HALF A MILLION people in their “market”? Scary stuff.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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# 20 April 2011 at 12:33 am

Halfway Crook said:
Here’s your current leaderboard:
1. Roland “Rabbit” Frasier
2. Brendon “Bust A Cap” Burchard
3. Greg “No Has-Been” Habstritt
4. “Fireman” Mike LeMoine
5. Jeff “Jackrabbit” Johnson
6. Shinichi “Sock It To Ya” Sasaki
7. Ed “Rabbid” Rush
8. FUDOG INC
9. Don “Social Slayer” Crowther
10. Henry “The Truth” Evans
WINNER!! ::   +11
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SD Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:04 am
@Halfway Crook
Mike LeMoine is one of the “case studies” for the frauduct … the main case study {he’s supposed to be rich off of using the techniques} … and yet he has a direct financial interest in the sale of the same?
Nice.
That’s a real cherry on top of the stupid-sundae Koenigs.
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Halfway Crook Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 5:55 am
@SD, Agreed
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Jack Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 8:37 pm
@Halfway Crook,
@SD,
leaders aND PRIZES as of 4/21/2011:
http://www.trafficgeyser.com/jvblog/msmm/
…Prize #1 – High-end video system, multiple camera, 3 chip, lights, chromakey background, tripods ($12,000 + $1,000 cash).
Based on sales, Amish Shah is in the running for 1st place!
…Prize #2 – 3 Chip High-End Camera ($3,300k), JVC GY-HM100U High-End Camera
Based on sales, Andy Jenkins is in the running for 2nd place!
…Prize #3 – MacBook Pro ($2,200)
Based on sales, Shinichi Sasaki is in the running for 3rd place!
…Prize #4 – 55″ LED LCD TV ($1800)
Based on sales, Frank Kern is in the running for 4th place!
…Prize #5 – MacBook ($1500)
Based on sales, James Cockrum is in the running for 5th place!
…Prize #6 – 3 Camera HD Setup ($1200)
Based on sales, Charles Heflin is in the running for 6th place!
…Prize #7 – iPad 3G ($629)
Based on sales, BR Frasier is in the running for 7th place!
…Prize #8 – iPad WiFi ($500)
Based on sales, Jason Henderson is in the running for 8th place!
…Prize #9 – Kodak Zi8 Camera ($200)
Based on sales, Travis Houston is in the running for 9th place!
Prize #10 – Livescribe Pen ($139)
Based on sales, Stan Dahl is in the running for 10th place!
Prize #11 – Steak Knives
Based on sales, Tom Ham is in the running for 11th place!
…wait…”Steak Knives” for Tom “Ham”?
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:03 am
@Jack,
NICE!
Mike Koenigs seems like he is high on crack in that video. Like, even more than usual…
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Johnny Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 am
These seem to be from last year. Anyone have this years?
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Jack Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 12:13 pm
@Johnny, Good catch – hadn’t noticed. Will try again.
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# 20 April 2011 at 1:53 am

Max Arbo said:
Koenig’s never delivered on the iPhone App generator for Firepower or Mainstreet Marketing Machines since Apple banned it.
The was a major pitch/product that was sold with these packages.
People should demand a refund.
WINNER!! ::   +14
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SD Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
@Max Arbo ::
Didn’t know that … thks.
Yeah :: people should demand a refund … and complain …
http://saltydroid.info/complaints/
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# 20 April 2011 at 2:22 am

kate said:
Wow, to get behind the scene and see how a few can get together to plan manipulation and deceit of trusting clients. I appreciate the insight I’ve gained over the last year by getting these emails. I’ve always been a bit gullible, taking people at face value, and have been taken advantage of because of it.
No More—now I ask questions and dig deeper. I have found that whatever is offered from a smooth talking sleazebag who wants my money—can be found for free with a simple search. Thanks again SD
WINNER!! ::   +18
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# 20 April 2011 at 5:59 am

MJ said:
Very revealing audio’s, Salty. I used to be an affiliate of these guys. Once I became a little more savvy, I noticed that some of these “gurus” would create a separate affiliate account for when the cart opens.
At cart open, they’d send out an email to cookie all B-team early bird buyers with their tracking link (since commissions are paid on last cookie). Basically skimming commissions from those affiliates that built their opt-in lists during pre-launch.
Notice how the A-players most of the time send out later. That’s why, so they actually get paid. The game is rigged.
Regardless though, there should be some serious investigation into products like this. I don’t think all launches are BS, but it’s hard to give anyone in that circle credibility anymore.
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Shit Storm Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 9:14 am
@MJ,
You said: I don’t think all launches are BS
They are all BS
Why would anyone teach their winning techniques instead of ACTUALLY doing it.
Lets talk shovel salesman
back in the day when everyone had GOLD fever unscrupulous people would run thru the streets yelling:
Gold…gold has been found
despite the fact that none had been found
why do this…because people would start buying shovels from the guy who yelled Gold
Tell me…if you had found gold…would you tell anyone?
This idea that they sell the techniques is because the techniques don’t produce the kind of money selling Biz op does
You think Koenigs did 5 million selling to small businesseslast year?
NOPE but he will do 5 million selling this biz op
They are all BS
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Luis Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@Shit Storm,
I agree that most of the launches are frauds but I have found those very few who do deliver. You just have to use some common sense when buying instead of buying in to the “easy” ways of making money which really means you don’t have ANY chance at making money.
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SD Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
@Luis ::
That’s not true.
Your “common sense” doesn’t tell you to watch out for people intentionally lying to you.
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etymologist Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
@SD,
yes it does. that’s exactly what common sense does. it tells you to keep your head on a swivel and be wary, especially of salespeople. that’s what mine does, anyway.
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Summing It Up Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 1:08 pm
@etymologist, actually no. No one could operate if they mistrusted everything. Do you examine and check every single bit of information you act on? Of course you don’t. It’s not possible.
These guys are blatant liars and predators. And they’re not even very clever ones at that. It’s time to STOP BLAMING THE VICTIM.
WINNER!! ::   +10

Doctor Mario Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:24 am
@Shit Storm
Hit an important nail straight on its fucking head!
“Why would anyone teach their winning techniques instead of ACTUALLY doing it”
Dizuh…
But to be fair, some people actually do teach their winning moves… Because they like teaching… Or because they {/gasps} care about other peepz… Or because they’re done with said moves & no longer have a use for them…
Let me boldly & unabashedly share the Secret behind the Secret of the Secret to the Secret’s Secret
SIMPLE LITMUS TEST TO EVALUATE BULL-SHITTERS:
{Verification}
Did said Bull-Shitter achieve their vast moneyz (or amazing mastery of Successmanship) by…
(a) Doing whatever they are teaching you to do?
OR
(b) Teaching you how to do it :: And You Can Too!
{Evaluation}
If (a) – 10 points! – maybe there is something to be learned. Though still many do not give away their best shizzles to the buying public {aka competition!} – ESPECIALLY if they are still WORKING :: so you may be getting their dried up moldy week-old sandwich only…
If (b) – BULL-SHIT ALARM! Negative 100!!! – The best that can come of this is you will become a Replicant Scammer & then SD the droid Deckard will retire you… The worst? You’ll become an angry gnome with child molestor Filsaime tendencies!
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# 20 April 2011 at 6:13 am

Shit Storm said:
People buy Biz ops for the same reason they buy lottery tickets
They’re chasing the fantasy…mental masturbation
Listen to what Kern said – something like 90% never even open the box
opening the box ends the fantasy and REALITY kicks in
Kern knows people buy Biz op because from the moment of purchase they buy they have a CHANCE.
They walk around fantasizing about what that purchase is going to do for their lives…mental masturbation
Kern knows this, it’s why they sell it as business in a box and use take aways
business in a box = no work, no smarts needed…just like the lottery ticket. just buy and enjoy the fantasy
Take away = fear of losing the fantasy, fear of letting down their family
Kern is a predator…plain and simple. Every tactic they use is to take advantage of the consumer
His intention is to manipulate those people who are struggling, hurting to make a few extra bucks
Biz ops thrive in down economies – Kern knows this as well
Lots of good people down on their luck = clouded judgment and susceptible emotionally.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is complicit
Anyone who thinks they don’t use every scam trick in the book is in serious denial
These guys plan their crimes…imagine what’s being said when the recorder isn’t on
sorry for the lecture but I don’t want anyone to overlook what serious criminals these guys are…all organized and led by Irwin Kern
Kern = con man
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Sundog Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 9:23 am
@Shit Storm,
I can’t remember what interview it was, but Kern talked openly at one point about selling the dream. He’s well aware that what people are really purchasing is hope – $2000 dollars of hope that their life will be better next year. Estimated shelf life: 3-6 weeks.
Maybe that’s worth it to some people? Just looks like feeding on the misery of others to me.
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# 20 April 2011 at 9:33 am

Jack said:
Everyone notice how mr. “Newbie Mike’s” terrific MMM career took a major downturn in only 4 days?
In recording friends of Koenig think he was a MMM consultant in 4 days…then mr. Koenig says he was a coach…then at the end he says basically they just had newbie Mike working support 4 them in four days and he was “functionally useful”
Probably that’s all left out in the marketing materials because either it’s so much too hard to understand or they thought it might be as complicated as the Seven Bridges of Konigsberg (leading to Malaysia where Newbie Mike lives).
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Sundog Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 9:25 am
@Jack, YOU TOO CAN QUIT YOUR JOB AND MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO AFFORD A THIRD-WORLD LIFESTYLE!!!
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Jack Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 9:32 am
@Sundog, LOL! Hadn’t even thought of that…gREAT point!
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# 20 April 2011 at 11:28 am

LOLlerskater said:
Yuck. I have zero problem paying for training that produces real benefit, and it never ceases to amaze me how they KNOW their product will not produce real benefits and that 77% (from the last audio) won’t even use their stuff a little. Instead of spending their mental energies creating something that can enhance real lives and businesses, they spend their time covering their rears and hyping junk in a pseudo-legal fashion.
It’s a compelling illustration of “The Fallacy of Success” by Chesterton who says: “It is perfectly obvious that in any decent occupation (such as bricklaying or writing books) there are only two ways (in any special sense) of succeeding. One is by doing very good work, the other is by cheating.”
They have chosen the cheating path, and it shall be their downfall.
WINNER!! ::   +14
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# 20 April 2011 at 3:04 pm

Main Street Marketing Machine Bonus said:
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WINNER!! ::   +7
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Summing It Up Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@Main Street Marketing Machine Bonus, secret sauce! We should Google rank all their terms for SD blog posts.
MG
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:35 am
@Summing It Up,
Trudat!
Like, I was so all like “Dayum, them Main Street Marketing Machine scam mofos is some self incriminatin beeotches!”
But then she corrected me :: “Doctor Mario! This isn’t Main Street Marketing Machines… This is Main Street Marketing Machines 2.0 – Mike Koenigs… The new & improved scamtacular scammity scams shizzle!”
“Word” sez me… Word.
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# 20 April 2011 at 5:58 pm

Holly Cotter said:
Interesting that Mike is claiming that he taught Brian Zimmerman a tactic to find businesses in the adwords section of google search results and then make a free video for those businesses to turn them into clients.
Brian actually came up with that idea several months before Mike even met him. I was personally coaching Brian on how to provide internet consulting services to brick and mortar businesses… and Brian, being a true entrepreneur at heart, turned one of my own tactics upside down and came up with this new approach.
Brian had such big success with his prospecting tactic, that I interviewed him, recorded the interview, and then we sold the interview for $10 on the warrior forum. The title of the product was “Ingenious Offline Prospecting Method.”
A few months later, Brian met Mike at a live event. They started talking, Brian shared a bit about his successes, and Mike ended up picking his brain.
Before long, Mike launched his first Main Street Marketing (consulting with offline businesses) product and claimed that he (Mike) had developed this prospecting tactic and that he (Mike) had taught Brian everything Brian knows.
Again… I find Mike’s version of reality to be quite interesting.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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gringo Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
@Holly Cotter, great you got the facts strait,… so people can really see how fraudlent Mike Koenings scammer is, from beginning to end (in an endless loop)
Holly,.. this must be one of the “Best Main Street Marketing Machine Bonus” you delivered right there… you are dammm (bonus) right it was very interesting. THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!
@Main Street Marketing Machine Bonus,
I just love you nick, Main Street Marketing Machine Bonus!! (MMM BONUS) Great ;)
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bohica Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 9:04 am
@Holly Cotter,
That’s how all these guys operate. The fact is the B teamers tend to have good ideas, but lack the ability to execute because they don’t have the funding/backing of the syndicate.
Add to that the fact that newbs/B teamers want to impress the syndicate kids, so naturally they’ll try to impress them with their product ideas and results.
So when these people get into the same room you have the wannabes spewing all their ideas to try to win the cold, black hearts and adderall-fueled minds of the syndicate members.
The syndicate wins on many fronts. The come out of the seminar with all the profits made in “the back of the room” as well as a bunch of new product ideas ripped off from the unwashed masses who jumped at the opportunity to “touch the hem”.
WINNER!! ::   +14
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Shit Storm Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 2:08 pm
@Holly Cotter,
You said:
“That’s how all these guys operate. The fact is the B teamers tend to have good ideas, but lack the ability to execute because they don’t have the funding/backing of the syndicate.
Add to that the fact that newbs/B teamers want to impress the syndicate kids, so naturally they’ll try to impress them with their product ideas and results.”
Some questions:
1. If you have a marketing idea that ACTUALLY closes offline companies why would you ever sell it?
2. Why would you sell a WINNING idea for $10 fucking dollars?
3. If you actually profit from being an offline consultant why are you teaching someone to do consulting when it’s OBVIOUSLY much more profitable to ACTUALLY do it?
4. How are you not a shovel salesman yourself?
I applaud you coming here and using your real name but that doesn’t make you any better Koenig
You’ve sold your share of crap as an affiliate
you’ve done business with plenty of hustlers
and if your so good at making money why would you share even one of your ideas
and before you go all ‘I love to teach” bullshit let me remind you that you have a long history with this crowd
I’ll tell you why you pretend to teach but I would love to hear your line of shit on the topic
WINNER!! ::   +12
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Holly Cotter Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 2:07 pm
@Shit Storm,
I agree. I started out connected with a lot of these guys back in the early 2000′s. I spoke at many of the same seminars and, in doing so, I got to see and hear things that most people never know these guys say and do.
It became very apparent to me that my own ethics and values are quite different from theirs (along with my attitude about my customers and affiliates).
As a result, I removed myself (and my name) from their company.
It has now been several years since I have spoken at a marketing event or promoted any of their products. You don’t see me doing JVs with them, and you won’t see me hanging out with them.
It was a learning experience, but I DID learn. I am much more discerning about the company I keep these days.
As for your other questions…
1. Why not? There are millions of brick and mortar businesses that need internet marketing consultants, and I can’t possibly take them all on as clients myself.
2. Again, why not? It didn’t cost me anything to record it. I had two goals when selling the product: (a) Help others duplicate Brian’s success, and (b) help Brian earn some extra cash.
3. I am formally trained as an educator and, although I no longer teach in the public school system, I still enjoy teaching (it gives me the warm fuzzies when I get emails from students who are excited because they made money implementing a tactic I taught them). While I do earn extra income by sharing my knowledge with others, I also run a very profitable consulting business.
4. I guess I am. After all, if you’re mining for gold, you DO need shovels. The difference is, I FOUND the gold, and I also provide a map to where the rich veins are.
I don’t blame you for being jaded. But there ARE a few of us out there who put honesty and integrity above money and profits.
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +5
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Shit Storm Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 7:41 pm
@Holly Cotter,
You at least answered, which is more than any others would do
You said: The difference is, I FOUND the gold, and I also provide a map to where the rich veins are.
My point is this and why I doubt you and every other shovel salesman:
You supposedly found the gold – so instead of mining every last bit of profits you decide to sell shovels to others to mine your find
NO business in the world would ever do that IF THEY had a winning idea
Did Gates say – “screw it I can’t get my software on every computer” No, he worked his ass off building a company to land every desktop in the world
I’m in business a long time and I make great money and I know one irrefutable fact
It’s a bitch to make money and a serious BITCH to make a lot of money
Brighter people than me have failed
and I also know that when you’re making money it can go just as quick
Here’s my reason for why you sell shovels:
You know it’s far easier to sell a BIZ OP and a hell of a lot more profitable than to actually do what you sell
I think you have a pair of two’s but you make it like you have a full house
You prey on all those that head out into the world and get their entrepreneurial ass kicked
I think you’ve had a few VERY small wins (if that) and you retell that very SMALL success story to those noobs who are dying to taste victory
Inexperienced noobs who want nothing more than a new future
Noobs who don’t know right from wrong and who get $$$$ in their eyes
It gets worse when they fail again and again…their nerves and emotions are even more raw
It happens to the best of business owners
I’ve been in business my entire adult life and I have had my ass kicked more times than I care to admit
More sleepless nights worrying about paying the bills than I care to remember
That frustration grinds on you, that pain and embarrassment can wear any man down
If you’ve been in business for any length of time you know what I’m talking about
You prey on the inexperienced, you prey on their dreams of a brighter future
You use their frustrations and their feelings and you use sleight of hand
You talk about your pair of fucking twos like you have a full house
You can spin the teaching shit and map providing shit any way you want but late at night when it’s just you and your soul you know who you are and what you do
You know your best customer is someone who is exhausted and desperate
someone who doesn’t see exactly who you are
and your only chance is to sell them a shovel and point to where you say theirs gold…gold you never found yourself
gold that doesn’t exist
because the real point of my post is this:
Any true business person would never sell the map to a vein of gold
You would know that if you’ve ever actually had a map
Do you really think you fool anyone but rookies with your line of crap
WINNER!! ::   +15
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Regrets Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
@Shit Storm, If I hadn’t already learned my lesson the hard way I might not understand how profoundly true your post is.
I hope those who need to are paying attention before it’s too late.
  +1

Yup Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:57 am
@Shit Storm,
I think the other side of it is, so many of these idiots are guru-bred they have no clue about real business.
Some folks actually DO have some inkling of a map to riches, but they’re so stupid they tell the world about it because of their need for attention, pride, and need to meet guru-status.
And there are of course the predators that will use something until Google (or whoever) breaks it, and then turn around to sell the process to noobs.
So many different angles to consider.
  +5

Luke Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 8:58 am
@Shit Storm,
Your post seems to be more about how unhappy YOU are than anything.
If business is grinding down your soul that much then maybe it’s time to do something else?
  +6

SD Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 am
@Shit Storm & @Holly Cutter ::
Thanks for commenting and answering for yourself Holly.
I have never heard Holly’s name before … and me going to look her up is not really a fair reward for participating in the convo uncloaked. So these are general comments not specific in any way to Holly …
I mostly agree with @ShitStorm. If you have a truly innovative “money on the web” idea :: then only a knuckle head would tell others about it. Especially because the Warrior Forum and the Launch systems are mostly about fucking the n00bs. Real Internet people :: especially the kinds who are comfortable making money from various cheeky exploits :: DON’T buy stuff … they go to the torrents. You sell something once … and it will be on the torrents forever … free to anyone who wants it.
On the other hand :: Holly mentioned a $10 “shovel”. I’m not sure if I believe in $10 dollar “scams”. All the lame rationalizations that the d-bags and their minions spew out actually do kind of apply to sub-$100 products {ones that don’t feed boiler rooms obviously}.
Selling each other secrets and whispers is a human tradition in long standing. So is buying hope. People need hope. I don’t think $10 warrior pdfs is a particularly useful form of hope. But neither are lottery tickets :: casinos :: horse races … or mid-life crisis marriages to much younger women. How other fools chase hope is not of much concern to us {or to me at least}.
On the other other hand :: things that are shaped like a pyramid “you coach me and I’ll coach you and then we’ll both be rich” :: can only lead to sadness and tears no matter how innocuous they may start off.
So I would just say to @Holly Cutter :: make sure you aren’t selling your shovels from the back door of a pyramid.

Bullshit Detector Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:11 pm
I’d agree with ShitStorm’s general analysis of the bizop category. (I’m also not in any way referring to Holly Cotter here.) I’m speaking as someone who built and solely-owned a multi-million dollar tangible consumer products company for a number of years.
Speaking from my own experience, after years of blood, sweat, and tears – and especially after my business began generating significant revenue – I was incredibly guarded about the specifics (marketing, strategy, operations). I didn’t brag, I didn’t boast, and I didn’t talk openly about it even amongst people I knew well. I would *never* have laid it all out in some ebook or course; instead, I was fully focused on scaling up my OWN business and getting more market share!
Now, some purported “gurus” might use the excuse, “The market is so vast, and I can’t cover it completely, so I’m just selling my expertise on the side, to augment my regular income and HELP PEOPLE OUT.”
That’s 100% pure hogwash! If you open the door to the inner workings of your golden goose, regardless of market size, you are taking a real risk of damaging your own business. That simply does not make sense IF you have a viable business that is making you real money.
If you want to see how truly absurd this “guru product” schtick is, just imagine Steve Jobs producing an ebook or course to sell “on the side” about how Apple conducts its operations. You know, to “help others out.”
  +6

Clark Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:46 pm
@ Bullshit Detector
Agree wholeheartedly.
Remember how Kern boasted about the local marketing consulting firm he was going to build w/ the syndicate? The reason he “retired” from IM? What happened to that?
The reason he’s back is an easy one: It’s simpler.
These people buying the stuff Koenigs is offering aren’t going to critically go through a list of things they want this product to contain, such as actually innovative marketing.
These people probably never had any major success in IM, so they don’t know that must stuff the syndicate does would be considered unprofessional in corporate environments, meaning: You scare away our top clients and leave a rest of Al Bundy*-type nobodies who will by anything out of desperation.
Selling good marketing in an agency to actual businesses is different, they have to act rationally to stay in business, they probably will look for competition with lower prices and they’ll probably not get orgasms when you present them with “the circle of awesomness” or whatever Kern is selling atm.
Also, they would have to get proper management, learn how to train their people and possibly find investors. With their history? Fat chance.
So, the only option for them is to sell crap to newbies. I actually thought Kern was beyond that, maybe he thinks he is, I don’t know. I don’t care.
  +4

Clark Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:48 pm
@ Bullshit Detector
Almost forgot:
*Dan Kennedy once admitted that he pictured Al Bundy when writing his biz-op material, the type of customer who will grab “no work easy money” offers, but isn’t bright enough to actually do something with them.
I feel like he’s not the only one, I sometimes catch myself screaming “Cmon srsly” at my screen when I watch the current launch videos.
  +1

Doctor Mario Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:03 pm
@SD
2nd:
“Real Internet people :: especially the kinds who are comfortable making money from various cheeky exploits :: DON’T buy stuff … they go to the torrents.”
Too true. I don’t know a single really successful IMer who doesn’t have a torrent collection of these frauducts that trumps their “bought” library by 10x-100x…
ESPECIALLY the gurus. They would never pay for their own crap in a million years.
  +2

Shit Storm Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Luke,
Just sharing the facts of being in business. The fact is that there are way more days of grind and the feeling of hopelessness that when you FINALLY achieve smooth sailing the LAST thing you think about is selling the secrets you fought so hard to achieve
My whole point is that it’s damn hard to make money in business. Find me the richest man alive and they will tell a story of perseverance and hard fought victory.
The idea that it comes so easy to them is BS and part of the scam
The idea that they want to share it with others is BS and part of the scam
The idea that they want to teach is BS and part of the scam
I say this because I have achieved hard fought victories
All biz ops are scams – Why they have franchise rules and disclosure rules
The $10 shovel is all part of the scam. The easiest person to scam to is someone who has their guard down
By demonstrating a $10 is not very hard and it lays down the foundation for another sale down the road
The second is for more, much more
This issue is clear as day…the shovel salesman is feeding off the weak
They sell Biz op for one reason and one reason only…it’s easy fucking pickings and pays extremely well
Even at $10
With a fresh batch of NOOBS rolling into town every single day
They have only one goal and that is to create a false sense of trust and credibility and then separate them from whatever money they can
Maybe $10 is the only amount they can swipe
Not everyone posses the talent to steal like an Irwin Kern
Just look at Irwin Kern, even he didn’t start out stealing in this amount or this brazenly
Frank practiced at it, got better and better with each action taken
Kern honed his scamming talents just like any other talent is developed
And with each one he has taken more and more money
trey smith is Frank Kerns front man
Frank kern is nitro glycerin and he knows it. So he has Trey Smith selling under his name
another trick often used by con men. Find someone to be his front man for a piece of the action
These people are making millions, maybe Holly isn’t but Kern and his gang are
Make no mistake, these people will not stop until someone stops them
The money is just too damn good.
Fight that urge to find any redeeming value in ANY of these people.
They are predators who financially rape, sounds harsh I know but they take and have no remorse.
Go back and listen to these people plan their crime, it’s disturbing
  +5

Jack Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 9:17 am
@Holly Cotter,
Pleaes don’t blame them, for they are but mere shapeshifters…and as my grandmother used to tell me…In some folklore, once the shapeshifter has become transformed, it becomes progressively more difficult for it to return to its original form.
It’s why they they named Mr. Koenigs after that famous Konigsberg problem that laid the full foundation for topology…and I guess shapeshifting!
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Summing It Up Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@Holly Cotter, thank you for sharing this story. I’ve heard many others just like this about each and every one of the Syndicate members. They are evil to the core.
  +6
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Bullshit Holly Reply:
April 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
@Holly Cotter, BULLSHIT!
Holly. Why don’t you tell everyone how you refund every fucking product you buy in IM… and you’re a fucking thief. Every LEGITIMATE online marketer knows who you are because you BUY then immediately refund.
Your coaching is bullshit. And when people try to get a refund from you, you pull out your little contract and fight tooth and nail to keep the money you didn’t / couldn’t earn because you don’t know shit.
You’re a fucking psycho and need to crawl back in your hole.
Get off the high horse…. your fat ass will hurt yourself when you fall in about the next 30 seconds.
You don’t do product / frauduct launches because nobody believes your bullshit anymore.
Have a great day!
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TheRazz Reply:
April 28th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
@Bullshit Holly, World class :-D
  -1
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# 20 April 2011 at 6:10 pm

Holly Cotter said:
And, as a woman, after listening to these audios, the only other comment I have is… YECH!
Muchly debated. What do you think?   +4
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Gringo Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@Holly Cotter, as a gringo I would like to say,…
They all seems like a bunch of retarded guys {high-school bullies} that meet together in the cellar in the house of Mike {the most nerdy of them} planning mean scams and fraudulent schemes {in this case Main Street Marketing Machines Fusion},… taking advantage of dreams and ignorance on the fact that people take your word and think good of you {like in tribes} until you prove otherwise {when it’s too late and you’re screwed big time}
Their mentality to these is like bastards {some pic up artists} who invite you {women} to dinner, buy you flowers,… good wine and dessert,.. invite you to sleep in their bed {moving the freeline},.. but TELL YOU HE LOVES YOU,… to get the chance to screw {fukk} you ALL NIGHT … and the next morning {at 08.00} tells you to take a taxi home,.. {because their girlfriend comes home} promise he’ll call you {he got your number from the syndicate remeber?} WHEN HE WANTS TO FUKK YOU AGAIN.
  +6
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Summing It Up Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@Gringo, It’s worse than that. They were actually all picked on in high school because they had no social intelligence, and now instead of trying to stand up for the people who get bullied they have become the bullies. Retarded ones at that.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Teve Torbes Reply:
May 2nd, 2011 at 11:16 pm
@Gringo,
How dare you insult people with disabilities “retarded guys” by comparing Frank and crowd to them!
  +1
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# 20 April 2011 at 6:20 pm

Bullshit Dectector said:
Time for a recap of just ONE specific instance where these guys are all violating NUMEROUS state laws, and how it could be their downfall if people reading this were to actually complain.
A large number of states, and the Federal government, all have something called “SAMP” laws, which regulate business opportunity sales.
For example, here’s California’s:
http://ag.ca.gov/consumers/general/samp.php
In a nutshell, if someone is selling an opportunity where it is expressed or implied (even remotely hinted at) that the buyer can earn more than they pay for the “opportunity,” and the cost is over $500 (even over time), then the seller MUST register with the state in advance, provide specific disclosures, and give the buyer contact information for other customers so they can make an informed decision.
And this applies to MANY other states as well as the Federal Government.
Here’s a list of the many states that regulate and their contact info:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/franchise/netbusop.shtm
To be compliant, these guys would have to register and qualify IN ADVANCE in each of these states. It would be a miracle if they could or have done so.
Anyone who wants to see the hammer drop needs only to submit a complaint…and that can include your own state as well as the state the seller operates in. You don’t need to even be a customer. You just need to report what you’ve seen take place, because simply OFFERING something for sale is sufficient to require compliance.
Just imagine all the RETROACTIVE trouble these guys could be in, as well as all the prior sales proceeds being removed from their bank accounts if action is taken.
On top of all this, there is also the FTC. Mike Koenig’s “non-disclosure disclosure” would NOT pass muster with the FTC. Doublespeak is a no-no.
If anyone reading this has a few minutes and wants to get things rolling, submit a few online complaints utilizing the above info.
WINNER!! ::   +19
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Eh Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 6:19 am
@Bullshit Dectector, you said: Just imagine all the RETROACTIVE trouble these guys could be in, as well as all the prior sales proceeds being removed from their bank accounts if action is taken.
So all the money gets ripped out and given to the Feds? What about all the scammed folks?
  +2
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Poop Chute Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 7:48 am
@Eh, It’s amazing to me to hear these guys referring to the FTC as “pussycats.” I notice Kern doesn’t. He tries to correct saying “believe me — I know they’re not.”
The FTC is one of few agencies in the U.S. (along with the U.S. Postal Inspector if ANY transactions are being conducted via direct mail including mailing what you paid for online), that can literally shut a “suspected” business down completely WHILE their charges are being tried.
The FTC can and often does freeze ALL assets of a company and its owners, including credit cards and bank accounts), and even haul out any equipment and files they feel will be useful to their case…BEFORE the company is actually tried.
In other words…they have the power to strike, then you must PROVE you are innocent to get what they took back. Kind of like those dreaded chargebacks. When you merely question a charge or do a chargeback, the credit cards (with the exception of Discover), will yank the money from the merchant’s bank account until they prove to their satisfaction the chargeback was erroneous.
And — the cards don’t tell you this but you can generally get away with a chargeback for up to 18 MONTHS after the purchase.
In the FTC’s case — they look at it like this: you MIGHT be scamming people. We have proof that looks convincing enough to go to trial. We’ve filed the charges. We feel this is a crime that is continuing to happen and will continue if we don’t stop it now so — we’re freezing all accounts and funds and asking the court for a TRO to shut down all operations until this is settled.
Lowered BOOM in place.
And the FTC does get the money if they take the action but part of their logic is also that they must preserve these funds because they believe they were gained illegally and preserving as much as the FTC can gather up will make it available to make some form of restitution to consumers, after any fines we’ve managed to get levied are paid to us, when we get them convicted.
WINNER!! ::   +14
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Shit Storm Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 2:16 pm
@Bullshit Dectector,
You are 100% correct about the $500 limit. They need to get state specific disclosures to sell a Business Opportunity
How they dodge it is simple.
They call it information…education, software etc
They use words like business in a box on the calls but not in print
that’s why they hint at the garbage man being stupid and if he can do it then so can anyone
They know that law as well as anyone but they make sure they stay clear of actually calling it a Business opportunity
But make no mistake it’s a Biz op…and they design it and sell it as a biz op
You’re also right about how they go after these scammers
they are liable for each instance they vilated the disclosure
so if they do 2,000 sales then they have 2,000 counts brought against them basically
Not a lawyer but thats basically they game plan for the government: make it so expensive to defend you concede
My only question is…when will they lower the boom…or worse – will they?
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Bullshit Detector Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 2:37 pm
@Shit Storm, With enough complaints they will. The problem is…as much as everyone loathes the fact that these guys are doing this stuff…almost nobody ever actually complains.
In fact, just ONE complaint could trigger some action, so if you’re reading this…and you truly give a damn…it could be YOU that makes that difference. Don’t think “some other person” will do it, because they probably won’t…so it all comes down to you.
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Bullshit Detector Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 2:54 pm
@Shit Storm, By the way, they don’t even have to call it a bizop for it to be a bizop. It all boils down to the implication of increased income. The FTC looks at the totality of the marketing, and what the average person might think. If that message is “I’ll make money,” then it could be determined to be a bizop. It has become very, very difficult to dance around that any longer with verbal or other trickery.
When you say “how they get around it,” it would be better stated as, “how they THINK they get around it.” It should be considered justice delayed, because the clock is still ticking, and this blog, and others, are becoming major archives of misdeeds. All of these guys should have major, ongoing insomnia right now.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Shit Storm Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
@Bullshit Detector,
Well said: It all boils down to the implication of increased income
and from your lips to gods ears when you say: justice delayed
Thanks for saying it much better than me
  +4
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# 20 April 2011 at 11:22 pm

Tony said:
This is the funniest shit. But the girl doing the rap really creeped me out bigtime. No no no, that’s just wrong.
  +4
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# 21 April 2011 at 12:56 am

Thanks said:
What the fuck does Rap and business have in common?
That stupid video embarrassed me.
  +5
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# 21 April 2011 at 6:27 am

wtf said:
Who is the girl doing rap? from her youtube video, her only videos are rap videos for Koenigs. Is she related to him or something?
  +3
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Poop Chute Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 7:49 am
@wtf, She is now.
WINNER!! ::   +11
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# 21 April 2011 at 7:05 am

Hal (the original Hal) said:
Who’s the target audience for those rap videos?
The only biz op it conjures up for me are homies in the hood selling crack in a box.
WINNER!! ::   +10
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
@Hal (the original Hal),
Homiez in da hood don’t need these frauducts :: they already have a WAY more viable business model :: CRACK SLANGING!
Here’s hoping the next MSMM 3.0 version is MSCSMM (Main Street Crack Slanging Marketing Machine)…
Probably would have more educational verity since Mike Koenigs is obviously at least a patron of the family-friendly Crack Slanging niche! {judging by his jumpy & tense mannerisms and tendencies toward self-delusion / visions of grandeur}
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# 21 April 2011 at 7:19 am

Sue Jenkins said:
So, does the entire syndicate participate in their circle jerk simultaneously or consecutively…and does the real estate lady have to participate?
Everytime I think I can’t be nauseated enough by these guys, Salty digs something else up.
Rot in hell is the first thing that comes to mind.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 21 April 2011 at 7:57 am

Jack said:
Sign up for the affiliate NOW:
http://mainstreetmarketingmachines.com/affiliates/
Please do the favor to yoruself of watching the video – about 20 seconds in he tells us the BEST part of the MMM affiliate program:
“We Pay Our Bills!”
It’s…
…a revolutionary idea!!!
WINNER!! ::   +11
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Jack Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 8:51 am
@Jack, Please don’t deprive yourself of the full video…I’m going to admit now that it gets funnier & funnier as it goes along…even including him telling the affiliates how they can prepared to be wowed by people crying onstage at the live events!
Is it a marketing event or a faith healing event?
WINNER!! ::   +10
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bohica Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 9:16 am
@Jack,
Koenigs has always been big on the green screen, but his green screen skills suck ass. What a hack job. The production quality of the video is damn good, but he ruins it by inserting his fat head.
Here’s the youtube version (so you can skip ahead)…
http://www.youtube.com/v/xFMOM1gwHxc?version=3
WINNER!! ::   +8
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Sue Jenkins Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:49 am
@bohica,
You’re spot on! I kept wondering if Mike had forgotten to go to the bathroom before recording this because he’s fidgeting like a preschooler!
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Jack Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
@Sue Jenkins, I think probably he was dancing to the rap.
Play the MMM rap song while watching this one:
GIFSoup
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Jack Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 12:20 pm
@Jack, didn’t embed. :-(
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/2375274/dancing-mike-shorter.html
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:55 am
@Jack,
Lol…
He kinda reminds me of that one fat sort of retarded stripper at the strip club. Or maybe I am confusing him with the rapper chick. {/confused}
@Thanks
Yes. Gay. As fiznuck. For Irwin F. Kern’s sperm-Syndication. And of course Big Tony Robbin-em-blind
Please refer to this Mike Koenigs – Tony Robbins scam for irrefutable proof of the Unambiguously Gay Duo’s load-offing exchange.
  +3

Thanks Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 4:13 pm
@Jack, is koenigs gay? He looks gay in his videos.
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# 21 April 2011 at 8:44 am

Summing It Up said:
So, let me get this straight, this is how the Syndicate operates?
(someone should process map this and spread it around, along with links to proof of each assertion)
1. They rip off the ideas of other people. (customers, real business experts, and so on)
2. They repackage the stolen ideas with a new label and pass them off as their own.
3. They then snort aderall all day long in order to jump start their cloudy minds into hatching “launch” schemes to defraud the public.
4. While doing so, their main objective is: suck as much money out of the customers wallet as possible, with no regard for the truth.
5. They then mail to each of their lists talking about how this new Unicorn is not like the other Unicorns. This Unicorn is better, even if you got burned by the last Unicorn.
6. They then abandon the customer leaving them no recourse to get a refund.
7. They then do not pay their “b-team” affiliates making up one lame excuse after the next.
8. Go back to step 1 and repeat.
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Other interesting facts to know:
:: most of them have been in trouble with the law (Kern, Filsaime, and Belcher for sure)
:: all of them are high on drugs all the time (favorites being cocaine and aderall)
:: they put on a kind mask in public but in private they have total contempt for everyone, especially their customers and b-team affiliates
:: they keep their whole operation together with lies and charm. When their customers and employees are worried about the morality of what they are doing, or about going to jail, the douchey bags lay on the NLP to keep them brainwashed and in line to ensure they keep playing their part in the con.
Do I have all this right? If so, I’m going to go vomit. And then I’m going to cry. And then I’m going to ask everyone I know to do everything they can to bring these fuckers down once and for all.
And this shit isn’t even clever. It sounds like the kind of scheme a high school student would hatch when he’s stoned, but then would think the better of it when his last brain cell goes back online.
WINNER!! ::   +17
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Jack Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 12:58 pm
@Summing It Up, Filsaime has had trouble with the law? what trouble?
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Summing It Up Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 1:04 pm
@Jack, the moron didn’t pay his taxes for years and got busted for that.
His business partner Paulie Sabol is also a registered child molester. Filsaime, knowing this, brought Sabol on his Marketer’s Cruise and actively told people to bring their CHILDREN.
That’s right. These predators are charging people for “business advice.”
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Jack Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@Summing It Up, wow.
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Jack Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 1:24 pm
@Summing It Up, Found the info here:
http://www.ppc.bz/hilarity/mike-filsaime-is-a-fucking-idiot
http://www.jackbew
w….t…..f…???
1099 – who’s ever heard of thtat most very basic of business forms….w….t….f…???
WINNER!! ::   +9
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bohica Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 4:44 pm
@Summing It Up,
that… was… pure…. awesome.
but you forgot the step where they capitalize on their “marketing funnel” by hosting seminars/pitchfests all around the country where they NLP the hell out of the Unicorn buyers to get them to buy even better Unicorns than the “best” ones they just purchased (on the 5 easy pay plan).
yes… sickening.
i think i may blow chunks as well… right after I hit up the http://www.saltydroid.info/complaints/ department.
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 21 April 2011 at 12:54 pm

Thanks said:
You know what I wonder?
If scam kajabi is so great, why is this $3000 BS isn’t using kajabi?
Scammers.
WINNER!! ::   +15
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Shit Storm Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
@Thanks,
great post
  +3
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# 21 April 2011 at 4:21 pm

mojo said:
Anyone here ever read (or see) “Dangerous Liaisons” (“Les Liaisons dangereuses”)? These guys remind me of the two main monster manipulators–the guy was named Valmont; I forget the woman’s name. There’s a fairly good version of it as a movie with Glenn Close and John Malkovich if you don’t feel like reading.
The two protagonists were seriously depraved, sociopathic creeps who seduced, manipulated and ultimately destroyed people’s lives just for ha-ha sport. Really, truly evil people. They were also stupid enough to chronicle every foul move they made by writing each other letters bragging of their plans and exploits.
Those letters ultimately did them in. (Well, okay, one of ‘em grew a conscience, of a sort, and he turned them BOTH in. He dies, and his lady partner in crime is exposed for being the total creep that she is.)
Interesting tale, over 200 years old, about people so smug in their belief of their superiority and so wrapped up in their own pathetic egos and silly schemes they fail to see how their own actions lead straight to their downfall.
But I’m guessing since it’s a REAL book, and not a written-in-a-weekend “info product”–and it never ONCE mentions unicorns that I recall–none of the Syndicate has bothered to read and (*gasp!*) learn from it. But keep the faith, guys! Maybe the prison library will have a copy!
WINNER!! ::   +8
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# 21 April 2011 at 4:59 pm

SpedCt said:
Here is the really sad part about this. It’s one thing when the syndicate itself gets together to promote this crap and those who follow Salty can at least be smart enough to avoid wasting money. And when even the idiots on the Warrior Forum have a thread that questions the value of MSMM at least maybe a few of the newbies will pay some attention and not get burned. But the problem is that Koenig has another marketer pushing and I meaning pushing this that is very trusted by his subscribers and more than likely people are going to lose a lot of money.
Check out Jim Cockrum’s blog http://www.JimCockrum.com
and bonus and comments along with Jim Orr from Traffic Geyser and you come away thinking that this product is the answer to every IM prayer. Not to mention Cockrum’s multiple emails where he swears by this thing and says
“dove into one of the dozens of features of MSMM myself last night and launched a facebook “like” page in about 20 minutes! It got over 150 fans almost instantly (and it was growing VERY fast even BEFORE
just now when I told my newsletter readers about it!) About 50% of the new “fans” or “likers” that I’m attracting are people that are already “friends”, but the other half are BRAND NEW prospects. It’s awesome! Here’s what it looks like if you want to check it out: Link: http://www.facebook.com/fansofjim
Dozens of my readers have purchased MSMM and said they are going to San Diego in June with
me and likely over 1,000 other MSMM users will be there too! The ticket price is included in your
MSMM purchase. I’ve been told numerous times that my bonus offer for MSMM is BAR NONE the best on the Internet & I’m meeting you live in San Diego to show my commitment to this project that you are
entering into. I just found out that A LIVE ONLINE BROADCAST from San Diego has already started and is running all day featuring LIVE chat with a BUNCH of OfflineBiz.com friends and success stories from past MSMM users (watch online NOW – starting at 1pm ET New York time)! Link: http://www.offlinebiz.com/LiveEventThur21st.html (if you miss it just stop by my blog to get updates) “ ‘
Now what really sucks about this is Cockrum is supposedly one the most TRUSTED marketers around-or at least that’s what he and IM ReportCard say. He has a pretty big list and membership site. While a lot of those that follow him may be sophisticated enough marketers, EBAY powersellers, etc., a large number are complete newbies who are still chasing the dream, especially stay-at-home moms and seniors who really need to supplement their incomes to stay afloat. Cockrum rarely endorses big ticket items though he regularly pushes Traffic Geyser. Most of the items he pushes on his membership site are through his bonus pool and are low priced, harmless and geared to his list like How to Sell Vintage Crap on EBAy etc. The last time he pushed a big ticket item he got a lot of blowback from his subscribers because it was the Filsame/Ferrell debacle but he defended his endorsement by saying that despite the fact that one of the parties had a negative reputation he absolutely trusted Chris Ferrell. The odd part about this is Cockrum also has this Offline Biz coaching/monthly membership thing going himself so not sure how this works but he is promising in the bonus that he and Orr will hold your hand to make this work. So the question is-Is the most TRUSTED with a capital T which rhymes with B which stands for bull-full of it or does he really buy this MSMM crap?
  +6
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Newt Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 5:47 pm
@SpedCt, Well, “fans of Jim Cockrum” has only about 200 “likes,” and that is only AFTER offering some crummy incentive. Most of these characters don’t remotely have the following they would have you believe. The IM Report card site is just another dubious contributor to the smoke and mirrors.
Eventually Facebook will have a dislike button just like YouTube. When that day comes, there will be a lot of shit hitting the fan!
WINNER!! ::   +9
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ahh Cockrum? Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
@SpedCt,
Cockrum? Is that his real name. Cockrum? hmm thirsty for a beverage now… how about a little cockrum
  +5
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# 21 April 2011 at 5:00 pm

Matt Harward said:
I can haz report card ratings?
WINNER!! ::   +7
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# 21 April 2011 at 7:04 pm

SD (author) said:
An email for Koenigs today …
“Friday’s are burning up!!
Over the last three weeks you’ve grilled
Traffic Geyser All Stars and Heroes Brian
Williams, Jody Underhill, Eric Kurit and Valerie
VanBooven. It just keeps getting better and
better because this Friday, April 22nd, Fireman
Mike LeMoine is in the hot seat.
This will be your chance to ask our Main Street
celebrity, Mike LeMoine, ALL your burning questions.
Don’t miss the grilling this Friday, April 22nd,
at 12:30 PST, with the one and only
Fireman Mike.
He went from a broke fireman having to pick up
overtime just to make ends meet, to now driving
a HIGHLY successful local marketing business.
No more overtime for this fireman!
Today is your chance to “grill” this
Main Street Marketing expert.
Grill Fireman Mike on topics like:
• Local Business Marketing
• Video Marketing
• How Not to Sell and Be Successful
Get all the details here:
http://www.GrillTheExpert.com
It’s going to be a smokin’
good time!
Mike Koenigs”
I guess he didn’t have time to mention in that email that Fireman Mike has a direct financial interest in the sale of the product.
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Cocrum Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 6:11 pm
@SD,
Surely without a disclosure of financial interest we’ve got a serious FTC violation to report
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
WINNER!! ::   +10
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Jack Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 12:17 am
@Cocrum, and also to tell them about the “no more safe harbor, you idiots” memo that Unicorn Army told us they forgot to read or pay attention to.
  +5
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Poop Chute Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 9:11 am
@Cocrum, (I know I may be stretching my boundaries here, Salty, but I feel this is so important for everyone to know and keep in mind moving forward..and I think you’ll agree) You do NOT have to be a victim to report a crime. All you have to do is witness it and report it with any and all documentation you can provide to back up your report.
http://saltydroid.info/complaints/
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SD Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 11:00 am
@Poop Chute ::
Don’t make me be a dick about it.
Why don’t you go 6 months without breaking the rules or having a freak out … and then I’ll release you from your restrictions and you can participate how ever you like.
You’ll be our first reformed troll.
Or … I’ll ban you … cause I don’t like repeating myself more than 15 times.
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Shit Storm Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 7:52 pm
@SD,
do you mean Fireman mike is an owner in the product or as an affiliate
  +2
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:03 am
@Shit Storm,
He is in the top 5 Affiliates according to @Halfway Crook’s leaderboard paste…
Plus he is one of the main case study examples for the frauduct’s “successes”.
2 Points!
  +6
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Cocrum Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:55 am
@Doctor Mario,
Unless he is specifically disclosing everywhere that he has direct financial interest in the product’s success… and the same with Mike and his cronies, this is by far, the biggest FTC violation I’ve seen yet.
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
WINNER!! ::   +9
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gringo Reply:
April 24th, 2011 at 4:25 am
@Cocrum,
Main Street Marketing Machines Fusion Bonus by Fireman Mike LeMoine
WINNER!! ::   +8
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SD Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 11:49 am
@gringo ::
wows.

Sue Jenkins Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
@gringo,
Holy crap! Has the Obama administration heard Mike’s speech?
He has the single-handed solution to eliminating unemployment in this country. I think we should make him a Czar or something, don’t you?
WINNER!! ::   +7

............ Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
@gringo,
that video is fucking bizarre.
  +4

Shit Storm Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
@gringo,
Tell me he isn’t coached?
Where have i heard this line before:
I’m just a regular guy with a regular job
regular guy with a regular job who sold out
  +4

Bo Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
@gringo, Holy mother. This script he is reading (gaily)is nauseating. Made for complete imbeciles. Who in their right mind would fall for that diarrhoea?
I am sorry, but if people fall for that they are partially responsible for their loss. This is just too transparent – like a really, really bad infomercial from the 80′s.
There has to be some natural selection…
  +1

Jack Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
@gringo, As a bonus what I want is unlimited access to never having to hear that weird “Fusion” buzzing noise again.
  +1

MazeMan Reply:
May 1st, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@SD,
Like all fire departments the Albuquerque Fire Department has a code of conduct. I couldn’t find a link to it on their website –> http://www.cabq.gov/fire. However, there is contact info for various individuals.
I would think Fireman Mike’s participation in MSMM’s events using his fireman status (promote public trust) would be a violation given that there is no mention of financial compensation to him for doing so.
It makes sense that if the Albuquerque Fire Department understood how they are being associated with a ring of crooks, they’d be none to happy. They might even take action that would get public/local press.
Since you have all the info organized on your end, any chance you can provide the info the appropriate people at the Albuquerque Fire Department?
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# 22 April 2011 at 2:14 pm

SD (author) said:
Hurry now … time is running out …
“We’re closing the cart tomorrow night.
But there is more, much more than just the cart closing, and your chances of becoming a Main Street Marketing Machines Fusion Marketer slipping away.
Not only will the cart close, but I am going to raise the price to $5,997.”
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Thanks Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@SD, the scam is on. Buy now or you will be poor for EVAR.
  +5
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Matt Hardwad Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 3:58 pm
@SD, wtf talk about double donged scarcity: not only will you NOT be able to buy it, but if you could it would be more expensive. Sheesh.
WINNER!! ::   +13
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Clark Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@SD,
Theoretical conversation in which one guy makes a fool of himself:
“So, what do you do?”
“Oh, I’m a Main Street Marketing Machines Fusion Marketer.”
WINNER!! ::   +9
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# 22 April 2011 at 2:30 pm

Doctor Mario said:
I just spent some time participating in the LIVE CHAT for their 12 hour all day streaming event…
I was asking questions about getting links to actual sites or proof to the different content they were talking about & was promptly BANNED from the chat.
So obviously they are not interested in prospects who have any REAL questions…
If anyone reads this on 4/23 before midnight, PLEASE go to http://www.monsterfollowup.com/go/18627 and ask them about real details to see how fast you get BANNED!!! God these scammers are so egregious it is killing me.
Just finished my FTC & IC3 complaints on the matter… Hope it spurs some action to stop these criminals.
NOTE :: Since they wouldn’t verify for me their Case Study’s identity, I did my own research. They did mention her name after all… and it turns out their “Case Study” was in fact Ms. Tamaara Patzer.
Here’s her website: http://www.totalaudiencemarketimmersion.com/ (look familiar??)
Here’s her LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tamaraapatzer
Of course, there was NO DISCLAIMER whatsoever that she is a financial stakeholder in the business for which she was a “Case Study” :: obviously something I pointed out in my FTC & IC3 complaints.
This whole slew of Adderal-sniffing / coke-head scammers ripping off sweet middle aged & elderly homemakers & small business owners is getting under my skin more and more by the day.
The more advanced their psychological manipulation tactics become, the more of a real & serious cultural, social, and economic problem this will inflict upon the credibility & global positioning of United States service providers & marketers for YEARS to come.
Thanks for providing this venue @SD.
Allow me to conclude with this totally not self-implicating quote from Mike Koenigs himself when Ms. Patzer-the-shill went off the air, “That was great, you have reached hero status, thanks for being part of the family.”
WINNER!! ::   +16
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Oh, and here’s Ms. Patzer’s site from which she is supposedly doing ~$7500 monthly in Main Street Shit Storm style small business “service” providing…
http://www.tamiseo.com/
This page really is a self-encapsulated Open & Shut Case for the FTC on this one. I hope it spurs some recourse.
WINNER!! ::   +9
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Jack Reply:
April 24th, 2011 at 10:31 am
@Doctor Mario, Probably they specialize in getting people’s “hello world” page optimized like they did for theirs:
http://www.tamiseo.com/blog/2010/12/16/hello-world/
Right now it just says:
“Blog Home
Categories
No categories”
but what I need to go over and tell them is that if they really want to rank for “Blog Home Categories No Categories” then they better get smoe links to it like the SEOBook tells me about and probably use those “Blog Home Categories No Categories” in something they call “anchor text”.
But I guess if they want to rank for “Blog Home Categories No Categories” they probably have to make the title tag different for them:

Or maybe they just don’t really do the SEO stuff and mostly help people with the landing pages like they did for their own blog here:

It’s a good one, because some marketers told me it was bad for me to have too many things on my own pages so probably I should go ahead and make most of mine look like this one then.
WINNER!! ::   +11
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# 23 April 2011 at 5:25 pm

Jimmy Ray said:
These guys are a bunch o’ f’n scum bags. Straight to the point. And if anyone waits a few weeks, someone makes a torrent of their sh*t anyway. Not that I condone that sort of thing. Just saying.
  +4
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 24th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
@Jimmy Ray ::
But wait, there’s more!
You don’t even need to wait for the torrent! They’ll give away their $3000+ frauduct :: for FREE :: with the next Syndicate launch (just to get you to buy through their affiliate link)…
Excuse the long paste, but I feel this should be documented for the record ::
From Jeff Walker…
“So if you sign up for Fusion through my link,
you’ll get the “Marketing Gods” video training
from that $25,000.00 event. I haven’t added up how
long all the edited video segments are, but it
took me a full day for me to teach this material.
This video has NEVER been released other than as
part of my Product Launch Manager program… which
hasn’t been available for almost two years.
Now for the SECOND part of my bonus… in that
same Product Launch Manager training, the second
most important thing we did after the “Marketing
Gods” training was “CLIENT SELECTION”… how to
pick the right clients.
This might seem easy or even unimportant… but
this will become the single biggest factor in your
success. Trust me, people have been paying me as
an Internet marketing consultant for six years
now. You do NOT want to pick the wrong people to
work with. It will suck the life out of you and
kill your business.
Again, you NEED to have this training in your new
Main Street Fusion business. And that’s why its
the second big piece of my bonus.”
And from Jeff Johnson (among the douchiest of the douche-bag-brigade) ::
“Here’s my new and improved MSMM 2.0 Bonus:
1. Traffic Voodoo 2.0 – You get 3 full months of unlimited online
access to my best selling Traffic-Getting and List Building Training
Program.
Let’s face it… You need traffic, lots of it… to build your
Mainstreet Marketing Machines 2.0 business and your list… and
Traffic Voodoo 2.0 is all about learning how to get traffic,
building your list, and turning that list into cold, hard cash.
Traffic Voodoo Helps you Get traffic from dozens of different sources
including Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Google, Article Marketing,
Email Marketing, List Building, Blog Marketing and more.
Traffic Voodoo recently sold-out for $1,997.00 or more and is not
currently open to the public at any price… well over a thousand
people have willingly agreed to pay that to join… but you get online
access to all the training material online as part of my Mainstreet
Marketing Machines 2.0 Bonus.
Just make sure you use this special bonus link when you order:
{no-linky-linky-sorry}
2. Traffic-Getting Graphics – You also get 3 full months of
access to my Traffic-Getting Graphics Private Membership.
Not only will we give you free graphics design
and split testing software to use (it’s yours to keep forever), the
very same software we use to run my Multi-Million Dollar Online
Marketing Business…
We’ll teach you how to use it to create killer graphics for your
MSMM client’s blogs, their facebook pages, your
client’s youtube channel and their banner ads. Your clients will
love you for helping make their Social Media pages look their best.
You also get copies of my highest converting banner ads, email
subject lines and even my best performing email landing pages and templates to use in your Mainstreet Marketing Machines Business.
Please make sure you use this special bonus link when you order:
{no-linky-linky-sorry}
3. Underground Training Lab Interactive DVD Tutorials Second Edition.
Underground Training Lab is all about “More Traffic, More Leads, More Money”.
And now you’ll have all of it as part of my MSMM 2.0 Bonus.
Over a thousand clients paid $997.00 to join, and up to$997.00 a
month to have access to my Underground Training Lab Private Coaching
Club.
I haven’t opened the doors to new students in over 2 years but
this is the next best thing… I took the entire site and published on
this Interactive DVD tutorial set.
On The DVD(s) You get:
47 hours, 18 minutes of Video training and tutorials
72 step-by-step process sheets
34 hours, 26 minutes of audio
2,350 total pages of content
I’ll even throw in free shipping.
Just be sure to use this special bonus link when you order MSMM 2.0:
{no-linky-linky-sorry}”
ANNOUNCER :: As everyone can see on this one, Doctor Mario has hit his breaking point with these crooked cons…. Please stand back as his long history of high pill dose intake have left him unstable….
DOCTOR MARIO :: Reading these, you can easily see a core component to this frauduct Syndicate launch calendar is pushing mad psychological buttons to get you to buy because {/gasp} it will NEVER BE AVAILABLE AGAIN! And even tho it will never be available, it will be available during said time period :: NEVER :: for double the price… Oh wait, except if you buy the next frauduct next month, then you can get it for free.
Any manufactured demand (be it through psychological manipulation, coercion, or violence) is bad for EVERYONE. While this pales in spectrum compared to the Wall Street thievery or the screw-the-public gusto of Capitol Hill – these “small time” crooks are getting WAY out of hand.
In one of these audios they estimate their potential market to be 500,000 SUCKERS!!!!! That’s a lot of pissed off, bruised, and battered middle-Americans (and Brits & Aussies). And I’m sure an extra $3000+ doesn’t help people who are already upside down on their mortgage and/or struggling to keep their small business afloat…
WINNER!! ::   +12
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 24th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
@Doctor Mario, you forgot Jeff Johnson’s uber-generous Bonus Terms ::
“In order to qualify for this Mainstreet Marketing Machines 2.0 (MSMM
2.0) Bonus I, Jeff Johnson, acting on the behalf of P.R.M. LLC, must get full affiliate credit for your purchase, and must get paid the full commission for your MSMM 2.0 purchase. I am the only one who decides who ends up getting a bonus, if any. Bonus recipients are responsible for any taxes due, if any, and may be required to submit required tax forms in a timely fashion to P.R.M. LLC or the bonus will be forfeited. Some Bonus items will be given out before the refund period ends, others after the refund period ends. But if you request a refund, and/or miss scheduled payments you forfeit the Bonus
items. This Bonus Offer is only available for people who choose the 6 pay or “pay in full” options for MSMM 2.0. I also reserve the right modify this bonus offer in any way I deem necessary including giving you more cool stuff than I promised and/or to award the “approximate
retail value” cash equivalent (in U.S.dollars via paypal) in lieu of any of the Bonus items themselves.”
{/wondering}How many people get the “approximate retail value” cash equivalent (via Paypal) in lieu of the Bonus items themselves…
WINNER!! ::   +9
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SD Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 11:40 am
@Doctor Mario ::
So he says he’ll only give the bonus for full payment … or the 6 payments. I wonder if that means Koenigs did a 10 payment again. What a shit weasel!
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
@SD, Yeah, SD, you should really start ripping Jeff Johnson a new one… He is one of the worst of these guys that gets way too little flak :: How can we all help?
  +1
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# 24 April 2011 at 1:46 pm

Thanks said:
Nowadays it’s hard to tell whether people who teach how to make money online are scammers or if all scammers are people who teach people how to make money online. These are practically the same but very different.
Buying a “make money online” product is much like buying Scuba diving packages to Israel’s dead sea which is both stupid and dangerous all at the same time.
- It will cost you much, you will sign a waiver and you will achieve nothing but risk to your life.
  +3
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# 25 April 2011 at 8:53 am

Jim Jones said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
SD Quoting you
Real Internet people :: especially the kinds who are comfortable making money from various cheeky exploits :: DON’T buy stuff … they go to the torrents. You sell something once … and it will be on the torrents forever … free to anyone who wants it.
Bullshit. Real people with integrity pay for their products, not steal them. You shouldn’t encourage illegal activities and piracy is illegal in the US. Claiming ignorance to it is no defense either.
LOSER!! ::   -5
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@Jim Jones, do “Real people with integrity” pay for frauducts that are designed specifically to separate them from their moneyz delivering weak-ass bullshit in return?
Should ANYone (Real w/ integrity or not) pay for frauducts that are price-fixed by a Syndicate cartel geared toward preventing competition and getting the most money possible from unsuspecting victims via an elaborate behind the scenes pre-planned scheme?
Honestly. Thinky-b4-talky….
  +2
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Dale Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
@Jim Jones, He wasn’t encouraging anything. He was making an (accurate) observation, like my (accurate) observation that you are, in fact, a tool.
  +4
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# 25 April 2011 at 9:52 am

SD (author) said:
@Jim Jones ::
How are “real people with integrity” and “especially the kinds who are comfortable making money from various cheeky exploits” equivalents?
Let me answer that for you :: they’re not.
People who want to sell unicorns :: but aren’t Internet noobs … use the torrents. Pretending that it’s not true doesn’t make it any less true.
And :: I’ve taken a position against piracy no fewer than 50 times on this blog :: so you can …
a) suck yourself
b) bite me!
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Thanks Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@SD, Piracy and pirating any of these scam products is welcome. (but a waste of time).
So I’ll take the stance of encouraging pirating the scams so people won’t lose their savings for nothing.
If doing something useless; at least do it for free.
  +1
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# 25 April 2011 at 10:33 am

Martypants said:
I don’t have my calendar handy – which is the next sure-to-win-big-and-avoid-the-FTC being launched? Not that this one has stopped being funny yet or anything.
  +2
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# 25 April 2011 at 1:40 pm

Paul said:
Well at least some of the people on the Warrior forum do have brains after all. This post by a guy called Marty S can be found in the “product review” thread. I’d thought I’d post it here before it goes the same way as my own post which suggested people visit Salty’s site and listen to the recordings.
The frightening part is the fact that the $1,997 price tag is only the beginning…
Sorry about the length…
[Quote starts here]
Okay I must say that I did have a look at this program after all, and just so you know I was VERY impressed with the presentation, navigation, and organization of the product. It seems now that the “second” launch is now the in thing to do, because only then do you have everything ready to go as promised. The same thing is happening right now with Link Liberation 2, which was mess-of-a-launch last year.
I must hand it to Mike K for one of the best laid out products that is complimented with prompt customer service.
However, as opposed to some glorious posts above here about MSMM FUSION, I feel that not only is it too expensive, the initial costs ($3,000) for the program are only the beginning of your investment. That is because with MSMM FUSION you are essentially buying yourself a sales job, and paying huge, ongoing commissions to Mike and partners PER client that you sign up.
Now, in all honesty this is a very clever, even genius business model. Mike is getting new IMers to pay him for the privilege of continuing to pay him. I am not joking when I say that this impressed me quite a bit as I read through the material and figured out what was going on.
As mentioned the content is laid out and presented better than anything you have ever seen, BUT the actual value of that content is at best duplicate, because it is freely available in this forum and elsewhere. If you have been doing IM for any length of time, you will instantly recognize familiar content covering very basic IM information such as auto-responders, SEO, keyword research, and prospecting small businesses. The level of professional presentation will subconsciously divert you from how utterly basic and accessible this kind of info is.
This content is wrapped around a few key features of MSMM one of them being an “influence engine” which spews out a computer generated research report that you can present to your prospect to help close a deal. If they buy, you sign them for a monthly service in MSMM for the tune of $300, $600 even more per month. Then you charge your client even more and keep the difference. Keep in mind, you still do a chunk of the work to keep your client happy.
It is more than a little odd to me that the positive reviews of this product in this thread failed to mention this.
Now this could be a justified expense for someone who really knows NOTHING about IM, and I feel that is what MSMM is targeting. Out of work or career changing individuals. Even for those types though, these monthly expenses will look rather massive at the end of a year. Remember, you are paying for EVERY client you sign up. This is what I mean by “buying yourself a job”.
Some of the automated research data promised in MSMM is only available to USA members, so as a Canadian, I did not even get to try the “crown jewel” report engine of which the entire MSMM is touting.
What MSMM does really well is provide you with professionally looking sales materials. But again the content in those materials are straight-up and easily accessible within this very forum and beyond. If someone pays Mike a fee per client for a full year, surely they will look back at the $1,000s spent and say, hey – maybe I can get that outsourced. I know I would, but of course I would not even let it get that far.
In summary: A well presented GURU launch built on readily available content and strategies, targeting brand spanking new IMers in an attempt to grow ongoing sales for MSMM partners. Stay away. Stay far away from this.
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WINNER!! ::   +15
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Clark Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@Paul,
That’s interesting. Is this stuff disclosed when they buy this stuff?
If not, that’s seriously fraudulent.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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gringo Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
@Clark, seems the scammer Mike Koenigs fraudluct {one of the self proclaimed gurus} have gone from..
forced continuity model
2
forced franchise model
you´ve right,.. it never got disclosed that the Main Street Marketing Machine Fusion is a concealed franchise…
even wurse… a ¡¡ biz-op forced concealed franchise !!
I feel even more sorry for the people sucked into this fukking Main Street Marketing Machine Fusion frauduct
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Great Scott Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 12:36 am
“Now this could be a justified expense for someone who really knows NOTHING about IM, and I feel that is what MSMM is targeting.”
Actually, NO, it could not be justified for this type of buyer AT ALL. This type of targeted buyer is the LEAST likely to make this work! Someone who knows nothing about what they are offering, and has little business experience, is going to try to sell someone who may have YEARS of real business experience? Not-in-your-lifetime.
Buyers are going to be hugely disappointed and fail massively. In addition, SMALL businesses…the only remotely possible market for this…are notoriously cheap and difficult to sell and service. Marketing is often the first think they cut (in a heartbeat) if they have any unexpected other expenses.
In short, this is a nightmare market with lots of competition and LOTS of skepticism. Selling used cars is far easier.
If this were actually legit, Koenigs absolutely could have demonstrated proof of concept by selling it to numerous, diverse small businesses himself for a reasonable business cycle, at minimum a year, so he could then provide REAL, highly detailed stats on his own results.
Instead, he created a slick wrapper for a bunch of THEORY that is absolute bullshit.
The FTC and California State Attorney General need to take him to lunch, on his own dime, at the nearest institutional cafeteria.
This is over the top deception and it needs government intervention.
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# 25 April 2011 at 2:43 pm

Thanks said:
To make things easier to understand for all the losers who protect these products, let me breakdown the only 2 REAL ways people make money online:
1) SEO.
2) Media buying (PPC/CPM/PPV/Flat-Rates which is the old school pay for banner).
And anyone who wants to make money using these you must be very god-damn-fucking good at what they do which 95% of people who try aren’t.
The rest are useless scams.
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Thanks Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
About Selling stuff, services, Ebay and all the related – This aren’t in my equation of making money online. Having customers is something completely different.
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# 25 April 2011 at 2:43 pm

SD (author) said:
Here’s a touching tribute that Mike & Rocket did about Mike & Rocket …
They claim Main Street Marketing Machines did $9 million in 10 days :: that’s a lie … but you know whatever.
And look Haley Hohengarten :: I guess she can also not-rap when necessary …
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
@SD, Does the FTC just like, not know about the internet or something?
If you did this stuff on TV, radio, or in print, you would enjoy a friendly, unannounced visit from some off-the-rack suit wearing types :: to deliver your rewards :: some fresh & shiny New Bracelets! YAY!
Also, for being a “twitter aficianado” – this “Haley” character certainly sucks-ass at Twittering… (http://twitter.com/#!/influenceengine & http://twitter.com/#!/HaleyHillHo)… maybe they meant “twitter n00b”
[sidenote] Did anybody else notice all the fake comments on Youtube?
Every commenter has no Uploads, 1 favorite (guess which one), and uses the word “amazing” in their comment at least once… Amazing! [/sidenote]
Finally, everyone, please enjoy Ms HaleyHillHo’s lovely bio :: and I quote ::
“This is what I’ve discovered. School is great for some people. I am not some people. In an ideal world I would be a 6’5″ basketball phenomenon with trampolines for legs and baseball mits for hands [shwing!]. This world is not ideal.
School didn’t work out [:-/ obviously]. Sports didn’t work out [no trampoline-legs or baseball-mitt-paws]. By process of elimination my only option left is the obvious one, rapping ["MSMM-logic"]. Isn’t that every twenty-three year old’s white girl’s dream? I think so.”
It’s my 23 yr old white girls dream Haley. It’s my white girl’s dream. xoxo
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bohica Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 9:38 am
@SD
the only good thing I can say about that video is mike wasn’t in front of his green screen. my lord what a bunch of pompous asses.
“i’m an INNOVATOR. i make new products that make people money.”
whatevs… yawn.
call the feds.
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Anonymous Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 10:06 am
@SD, that slut has 200 followers and 20 twits in 6 months and she is teaching people how to twitter.
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Martypants Reply:
April 30th, 2011 at 2:38 am
@SD, I liked Haley a lot in Clerks, tolerated her in Mallrats (as I tolerated the whole film) but lost interest when she and the fat, boring, self-centered director actually took over. Snootchy-booches, bitches.
We have a new guard being clearly influenced by Kevin Smith. Wee-ha.
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# 25 April 2011 at 5:30 pm

Uncle Roy said:
Here’s a MUCH better rap for Mike Koenigs and the rest of the DBs:
This should be the official Salty Droid “message” music video.
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# 25 April 2011 at 6:29 pm

CBWarrior said:
Salty you should look into products like this one
http://www.easyclickcommissions.com/
This is worse than these Syndicate guys. Way worse!
The desperate people buy shit like this.
It’s getting totally out of control. Those
assholes sell on Clickbank these low cost products
and make millions doing it under pen names and
nobody is doing anything about it.
I filed 3 complaints to FTC about these assholes and
Clickbank still lets those fuckers sell!
Why nothing is being done??!?!?!
I am starting to think that FTC doesn’t even care.
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Jack Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
@CBWarrior, Thanks about for telling us that Easy Click Commissions is worse than making up prices like $3,997, $5,000 plus more big expensive coaching and also getting big media people like Tony Robbins and NBC in on the gigue so all people can be4lieve things are good for them before wondering what happened to their cash.
Can you go ahead and explain to us how laughed-about Easy Click Commissions is worse than that one? Also probably the FTC would go ahead and clickdown on EasyclickCommissions before theyd tihknk about messing around with sYndicate People, because they probably need someone like SD to tell them about it step by step by step by step by step by step.
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Matt Harward Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
@CBWarrior, They’re not on clickbank as a vendor. Apparently they moved to Plimus at the last minute. Maybe CB told them to fuck off?
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Jack Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
@Matt Harward, If it’s that’s true then streams of formerly alliterative crazy ClickBank cash products will soon be lost into the Plimus woodlands.
What can they alliterate with PLimus now? I have flashbacks of once hearing first the “oranges/poranges” conundrum!
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Courtney K Reply:
April 28th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@Matt Harward, or they went to the Gnomes affiliatedotcom scam site-I’ve never seen a bigger pile of trash.
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# 25 April 2011 at 7:18 pm

gary said:
I just discovered this site and have actually paid these guys good money to learn IM in order to work my way out of the rat race. It’s really dissapointing, yet gladly eye opening to learn the true nature of these d-bags. Looks like it’s back to pirating information products..these dbags won’t get any more of my money.
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gringo Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
@gary, refund asap
.
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Doctor Mario Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
@gary, Many people here have had the same experience… 2nd @gringo :: refund asap!
@SD :: You are really saving people’s lives here.
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# 25 April 2011 at 7:46 pm

defend-experts said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Anyone else getting constant spammy emails from defend-experts?
Lets hope their appearance here stops the fucking spam
http://www.defend-experts.com/
LOSER!! ::   -5
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# 25 April 2011 at 8:23 pm

Madge Crikey said:
What in tarnation! Pain Street Marketing Machines? That Mike Koenigs sure likes to use the word “machine.” Machine this, machine that. Bless his little bullshitting heart. Every time he uses that word “machine,” he’s asking for a huge pile of hard earned money. If anyone buys that ridiculous crap, be sure to ask for the Madge Crikey bonus. It’s a cast iron skillet upside the head.
WINNER!! ::   +13
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Clark Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 9:38 am
@Madge Crikey,
He should have called it Main Street Marketing Tools, because he’s one. Only without the Main Street part.
Maybe call it Wall Street Marketing Tools, that’s more fitting. A bunch of self-deluding people thinking they’ve got it all figured out getting screwed over by the money-over-all “good ol’ boys club”.
“Bunch o’ Marketing Tools presents: Wall Street Push-Button-Money machines” [You push the button, we get your money]
Sign up now and get my $1,997 bonus: A free ticket to the fight of the year, Mike Koenigs and Jeff Paul beating each other to death with Hardcover copies of “Atlas Shrugged”.
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# 25 April 2011 at 10:06 pm

Thanks said:
Frankie gives you a free book if you join his boiler room.
“Cover $6 shipping and handling and you get it for free” (“We will make sure you spend thousands later on BS crap).
$6 – Buy now!
http://www.frankkern.tv/book
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Clark Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@Thanks,
I actually got the book, there’s two or three upsells (video stuff and mass control “light”). Apparently Frank’s crowd is not that creative, at first you just got to submit a title, where on the new form he mentions that he doesn’t want something like “How I made millions”.
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# 26 April 2011 at 5:12 am

wtf said:
Here is the current leaderboard of pussy sellouts
right as the launch closed
interesting how Kern pagan deiss filsaime jenkins seems to be missing
hmmm boys did ya decide to sit this one out or had salty actually ruffles some feathers…
suckers
1. Roland Frasier
2. Brendon Burchard
3. “Fireman” Mike LeMoine
4. Greg Habstritt
5. Shinichi Sasaki
6. Jeff Johnson
7. Ed Rush
8. Jeff Walker
9. Jim Cockrum
10. Brian Tracy
Remember that the top five all get a bump in commsions. The higher your spot, the higher your bump.
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Clark Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 11:32 am
@wtf,
Brian Tracy selling bad biz-ops disguised as training and he only finishes 10th?
Looks like the good ol’ days of Holiday Magic fame and the like are finally over. Now just get JAR in prison and I’m a happy guy.
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Unknown Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 11:45 am
@Clark, Brian Tracy is a fucking idiot.
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Clark Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 11:50 am
@Unknown,
You don’t say.
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McGruber Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
@Unknown, And I just thought he was an idiot. I guess even idiots get some perks.
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Their On the Down Low Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
@wtf,
I know Deiss and Kern mailed using someone elses affiliate link. Deiss was pushing Roland Frasiers link, I forget who kern was pushing.
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Rusty Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
@Their On the Down Low,
Yeah…isn’t that strange? I wonder what’s up with that? Maybe there is a NEW phrase here…”link laundering.”
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SD Reply:
April 27th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
@Their On the Down Low & @everyones ::
I’m confused about mailing other people’s links :: has that ever happened before? I’ve never heard of that happening {which isn’t saying much}.
There was also a set of steak knives for 11th … I wonder who’s getting those. In the JV vid Koenigs says …
“and of course there’s the obligatory set of steak knives … the loser gets a set of steak knives”
… I think we can all agree that it loses something when translated into stupid.
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Their On the Down Low Reply:
April 27th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
@SD,
The new thing is for the “regulars” to say something like, “I completely forgot that this was launching”, but my friend the dickless wonder has a killer bonus you should check out.
All of the sudden, there are some names cropping up that I’ve never heard of. Does anyone else think that some of these clowns are just coming up with aliases?
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Hal (the original Hal) Reply:
April 28th, 2011 at 9:13 am
@Their On the Down Low,
Yes, aliases are one way of doing it.
Two other ways are:
1) Split commissions with a legitimate lower level affiliate using a tiered commission structure and only display the referral results in the competition for lowest level referrals.
2) Do a back room deal with a wannabe sycophant in exchange for touching the hem of the garment and a gift wrapped buffalo penis.
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Dale Reply:
April 27th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Since EVERY participant in the promo chain now has to identify what they stand to gain (be it cash, massage, or any non-monetary exchange or consideration), this could possibly end up being tabulated using the term, “count.”
These clowns have come to think they are so much more clever and superior to the world around them. Karma is going to bake them such a surprise cake one day. Maybe Bubba will even bring the napkins.
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# 26 April 2011 at 10:31 am

TheRazz said:
Seriously – The Brian Tracy ?
How do you know it is not just someone using his name?
I really hope that..
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Clark Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@TheRazz,
Of course it’s someone using his name, but I’m pretty sure Tracy’s in on the deal.
He had some kind of relaunch last year that was supposed to sell some sort of success product suite. I heard it didn’t run so well, so now he’s probably trying to milk his list by promoting a lot of junk.
It’s a fact that (almost) absolutely none (1-2 exceptions) of the success gurus can lead real businesses.
The first wave (Nightingale, etc) worked in a pyramid scheme called Holiday Magic that was shut down for fraud in the seventies. Lots of the guys went into the insurance business after that, which is really just a fraud in the States, at least door-to-door stuff. Same happened to Napoleon Hill.
Now Tracy enters a new realm of selling shady deals, it shouldn’t really surprise you, if you have access to Wikipedia and 10 minutes of free time.
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Unknown Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
@Clark, It’s him because I got a spam email from Walker saying Brian Tracy will be interviewed or something about Fusion shitstorm.
Had no patience to read it. But it’s Tracy which again; is a fucking idiot with useless books and tapes.
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Clark Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
@Unknown,
Jeez, these guys are becoming like those sad girls in the proactiv infomercials.
“It’s great, I made many monies with Mainstream Marketing Intrusion Marines!”
“CUT…Bill…goddammit…Main Street Marketing Fusion Machines”
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J.D. Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
“Holiday Magic” scam background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiday_Magic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_Dynamics#Leadership_Dynamics.2C_Holiday_Magic
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,907582-1,00.html
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spoonfaceboy Reply:
April 27th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@Clark,
I’m not sure why I was surprised to see Brian Tracy’s name here, but I was.
http://www.briantracy.com/Newsletter/samplenewsletter.aspx?Newsletterid=58
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LOLlerskater Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
@TheRazz,
Yes, it’s surprising but true that Brian Tracy is doing this. He was also pitching hard for James Malinchak’s “Millionaire Secrets Revealed” frauduct. He’s since removed it from his website (hmmmm) but it’s in the Google cache if you search “Malinchak site:briantracy.com”. Peep Salty’s page on Malinchak for more deets; there I learned Tracy was one of James’ opt-in leaders. He also plugs Brendon Burchard and others in what I call the AGE (Axis of Guru Evil).
In other shady territory, he served as “Chief Learning Officer” for this shoddy network marketing opportunity called ilearningglobal.tv which has since been renamed. I recall I kept seeing Facebook ads to be invited into his “legitimate business opportunity.” (“Legitimate” is the adjective he goes with?! That’s like a hotel calling itself “sanitary.” “Oooh, a LEGITIMATE business opportunity?! That’s what I’m looking for!)
Yeah, I was surprised too. His brand was among the top…but now it’s going down the crapper in a hurry. In this world of toppled gurus, I have to ask: What’s next, Stephen Covey plugging Frank Kern?! I pray not…
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Thanks Reply:
April 27th, 2011 at 9:43 am
@LOLlerskater, well… What did you guys think… That all the Self help gurus only want your best interest without financial attachments? well well… I also thought so.
Brian Tracy, Robbins and all the others are generally greed after the monies. While they can produce some good content from time to time (95% BS, 5% worth reading, 1% worth remembering), the most is just crap.
It’s ok. We all want money; but as you can see Tracy and Others want it a bit too much.
As mentioned before; I only found 2 people worth the attention whom I won’t call by name, but just so you know – After all, they are all after the monies.
Think about it this way – I personally found that anything practical is BS. There are no 1-thing-fits-all solutions. Conceptual self help is the only self education worth the attention.
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Chris Reply:
April 27th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
@Thanks, FYI, that adds up to 101%.
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DUH Reply:
April 29th, 2011 at 3:20 am
@Chris, no, because the 1% worth remembering is obviously PART OF the 5% worth reading.
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Thanks Reply:
April 29th, 2011 at 5:30 am
@DUH, exactly.
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Duff Reply:
April 29th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
@Thanks,
“Conceptual self help is the only self education worth the attention.”
I’ve found exactly the opposite, but maybe for the same reason. I personally am only interested lately in very specific how-to information that is totally uninspiring but helpful, like how to properly perform surya namaskar (sun salutations), or how specifically to work with clients that have anxiety as a coach/therapist, etc.
For more general self-help, one would do well to read and contemplate Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics and skip the fluff and narcissistic supply one gets from reading Tracy et al.
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Thanks Reply:
April 30th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@Duff, we all have different opinions and different things that work for us. That’s the grat thing in living in a free world (At-least some of it).
I (personally) find what you wrote correct in just some of the cases.
If you are a salesperson then you need to know the principles of selling which are global and taught by people like tracy. But I don’t need Tracy to tell me I should work with a pen and paper. (That’s just me).
THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL WORK FOR YOU.
I gathered so much information during the years; I’ve read dozens of books from Anthony Robbins —> Brian Tracy and many, many others.
There is one thing in common to all of them – They want to tell you how to think and how to act. They are cult leaders. Especially Robbins.
Maybe (just maybe), conceptual works better for me because I already learned all their “practical” tips and tricks and I can navigate properly with the assistance of conceptual advise. It’s possible. You may be right.
Someone who is completely lost should consume both and only then decide what works for him/her. The problem is that many of these are people carrying weaknesses and been brutally brainwashed by Robins & Co which are, again; are after the money.
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# 26 April 2011 at 12:12 pm

TheRazz said:
@Clark
I will read up on that at once.
Thanks for your insights.
Actually I am recieving a mail everyday with a quote from Brian Tracy (not actually by him, but some he collected, i’ve never seen any advertisement in this lists but from his books etc.
best regards
Rasmus
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Unknown Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
@TheRazz, I have listened to many of his audiobooks and read some books.
In a 10 hours session he may come out with 6 minutes of quality and the rest is garbage.
Reading and listening to gazillions of self education stuff, I only found 2 people worth listening to and Tracy is not one of them.
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Clark Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
@Unknown,
Now you made me curious who those two are.
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Juice Reply:
April 28th, 2011 at 1:16 am
@Clark, I’ll bet Jim Rohn is one of the 2. Pretty much everyone out there in the “Personal Development” market has taken something from Jim, be it ideas or communication. That includes Tony Bobbins himself who worked for Jim basically as a salesman.
You’re never going to get actual techniques that you can use now to change your life in an instant or triple profits in 48 hours from the self dev guys. However for an “Inspirational Snack” – for me – there is nobody better than the late Jim Rohn.
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TheRazz Reply:
April 28th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
@Unknown, I would also like to know whom you recommend listening to.
I know theres a lot of fluff in Brian Tracy’s audio books – But I am currently reading and listening to a set of CD’s called the ultimate goals programme, which is also a 245 page book, and so far it seems pretty solid.
As a salesmanager, I have used some of his tapes to give some of my sales people some inspiration from time to time and for that they are good.
Personally I’ve been listening to some of Jim Rohn’s stuff which is great, but albeit not sales oriented – more leadership education.
So … who is it you deem worthy to listen to ?
best regards
Rasmus
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Rorschach Reply:
April 28th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
@TheRazz, Here is the ONLY one of those guys worth listening to:
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# 26 April 2011 at 1:40 pm

Clark said:
OT, but as somebody was talking about Kern’s “book”, Kilstein says on the WF:
Frank is admitedly one of the laziest marketers alive. He reuses old information / articles endlessly.
Dan Kennedy does the same thing. In his Renegade Millionaire program Dan said that he is amazed anyone stays a subscriber to his newsletter because all he does is repeat himself.
Frank’s a lot younger than Dan but got that message. Just keep delivering the same old stuff in new packages.
Otherwise, you’d probably have to work for a living.
Kinda makes you think why these guys keep buying the $2k stuff, when they’re so open about how worthless it all is. Keep in mind you can get most of the older stuff for (almost) nothing, if you actually want it.
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Derwent Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
@Clark,
I signed up for Dan Kennedy’s newsletter (about $49 per month I think it was)a few years ago.
After 3 issues, I came to the conclusion that I was mainly paying to have a load of his self promotional stuff sent to me and I cancelled my subscription.
(Yeah, I know. Slow learner :-) )
Card charges stopped – but the newsletter and CD’s kept coming. Still getting them
.
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Clark Reply:
April 26th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
@Derwent,
Tried the same, didn’t work for me though.
Kinda enjoyed reading the newsletter, but it really is the same stuff over and over again. And I detest the naive political propaganda Kennedy indulges in.
I’ve since then signed up for Audible to fill the gap, costs me a third of the money and I get a full book every month, not just a few articles.
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FrankKernsBalls Reply:
April 28th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
@Derwent,
Kennedy talks in certain programs how he does this….
Keeps the stuff coming forever… costs him money, and converts enough at some point in additional sales.
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# 26 April 2011 at 4:41 pm

TorontoThomas said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The true P.L.F. -no not Product but rather Pilfer Launch Formula!
Lots of snorting noises in the background and I don’t think it was colds either….Mike always seems wired for sound and why do you think his partner is called “Rocket” after all???
Just found this site and thank you for outing all the assholes SD but why isn’t Obama on this list? He has defrauded more tax payers of more than all these scammers combined!
LOSER!! ::   -4
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SD Reply:
April 27th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
@TorontoThomas ::
Yeah maybe I should spend more time groaning on and on about the sitting president in a grossly self-aggrandizing fashion knowing full well that I’ll never be called upon to stand behind my words because no one really gives a shit.
What a totally fucking original idea.
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# 26 April 2011 at 8:37 pm

Matt Hardwad said:
Btw I just signed up a local mainstreet business to pay me $1500+ad spend/mo to do interwebs marketing for them.
Took 2 email proposals and a couple phone calls, and a reference check with another client.
Didn’t need to buy a big fucking IM “fusion” style package for that.
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# 27 April 2011 at 11:49 am

Willie Crawford Ripped Me Off said:
Hah! Tom Ham used to work for Jenkins and Fallon at Stompernet (if this is the same guy). I dealt with him when Willie Crawford ripped me off for his bonus when I bought into Stompernet through his link. He did nothing… big surprise!
Man, these guys remind me of Deliverance-like folk… attending to many family reunions to find new breeding partners.
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# 27 April 2011 at 1:07 pm

Elaine Biss said:
Long time reader, first time ranter. This guy now has ads on facebook. Reported and removed. GAH!
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# 27 April 2011 at 2:00 pm

SD (author) said:
Some of you clicking on the trackback spam from the {many} d-bags scraping SEOBook :: here’s the interesting article in it’s original not-scraped form …
http://www.seobook.com/scammers-spammers-standards
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# 27 April 2011 at 6:53 pm
Scammers, Spammers & Industry Standards « Designs By Brian said:
[...] That “use the small print” game is exactly what the aggressive info-marketers do. [...]
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# 28 April 2011 at 4:28 am

nobody said:
Keep up the good work droid expose these con men for what they are! Everyone else keep passing this info around, hopefully it will start to erode at their following and kill their “business” and “credibility” *gag*
I’ve seen more then one of these internet gurus come and go. They make their money for a few years then just drop off the radar sitting around with fat bank accounts of stolen money.
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# 28 April 2011 at 10:51 am
Anthony Kern Best Man said:
[...] Main Street Marketing Machines :: Fusion ShitStorm Mike Koenigs :: Frank Kern :: Trey Smith :: and Andy Jenkins discuss how to best write a bullshit disclaimer for all the bullshit testimonials which will falsely claim there are vast riches being made by your average Jane & Joe thanks to the . It's very unusual for a Kern to speak the truth :: but I do believe it just happened … “we're in the opportunities business” » You can go to law school :: or you can be a millionaire garbage man … the unicorn choice is yours. [...]
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# 28 April 2011 at 6:41 pm

the one and only said:
I wonder what people would do if they knew Frank spends all of their money they give him on drugs and prostitues…
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Derwent Reply:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
@the one and only,
they’d probably be jealous, and want to be just like him :-)
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# 28 April 2011 at 9:22 pm

Teve Torbes said:
Brendon Buchard sent me an email…
“Brendon Burchard ✆ to me
show details Apr 28 (5 days ago)
Wow, this is just awesome, humbling even.
Frank Kern borrowed my marketing strategy for his new book, which you should definitely check out.
(Don’t worry, despite all the emails I’ve gotten, yes, I knew about it, and yes, I helped with it.)
Frank is a dear friend and he’s a genius you should learn from. He’ll teach you to create a tremendous amount of goodwill with your audience.
—————-
So I sez via email…
I just lost all respect for you. Frank Kern is a jerk who doesn’t care who he rips off. I thought you were different, maybe even ethical. I enjoyed your book and you appeared to be honest. Not so. I will share my disgust on facebook and through all my other social media portals. Yuck Brendon.
—————–
Brendon quick responds…
??
What’s your issue with Frank? He’s got the best products and customer service return policy in the biz? I’ve learned a lot from his programs. Lemme know, Brendon
—————–
So I respond…
Spend a little time here. http://saltydroid.info/category/frank-kern/
Listen to him and the rest of them on the Main Street Marketing audios.
Your expert stuff is excellent and I recommend that all my clients publish, speak, etc…when they are experts in their fields.
However, James Malinchak, Frank, etc… etc…. say, “If you want to sell more…say ‘it’s easy’….paint the picture of what their lifestyle could be like using words like ‘imagine.”
All that does is attract, sell to, and take advantage of people who are looking for an easy way to be successful. You’ve aided their inability to focus and work hard on the basics.
This is especially unethical during the economic downturn where people are desperately looking for something that will save their finances and change their lives. Read the definition of “client” in websters. It is “Care. Protection. Guidance.” Customers shouldn’t be treated any different and to make them, “suckers that should be sold things they won’t use because they are vulnerable and stupid anyway” is wrong.
Throwing in with Frank especially is a bad idea.
By making the “work” part more obvious – something Frank and company on the audio hated about Mike’s first marketing outing – means that you’ll sell less, but sell well to the right people.
By positioning yourself as honest and transparent, but then throwing in with these guys and their strategies you totally undercut your credibility.
I was bummed to see you on Salty Droid and the praise of Frank Kern was very disappointing.
P.S. Frank and everyone else have all kinds of tricks to ensure 100% money back guarantees are rarely, if ever used and honored. Ask James about the hoops he has people jump through including.
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Brendon never responded : ( I was shocked! Shocked!! I’ve been harassing James Malinchak a bit through Facebook as well. He’s the kind of guy that really would be spooked by being taken down here, so that’s probably why he’s pulled down his other sites and is playing defense.
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Doctor Mario Reply:
May 3rd, 2011 at 2:16 am
@Teve Torbes, That would be funny if Brendon “Bust A Cap” Burchard didn’t know about the Salty Droid until you passed along that link … and that his response is delayed because he is digesting the info before he stops endorsing Frank Kern and the Internet Marketing Syndicate entirely. Funny :: Yes … But likely? :: Well … Keep us updated.
<<< Brendon Burchard, if you read this, turn back now! You have a lot of non-IM “Real World” folk on your list … Don’t point them down this bottomless pit of soul-stealing human-meat-grinder machinery! >>>
jk … B. Bust-a-Cap Burchard is a scammer like the rest of these ass-clowns. He’ll prolly be on convicted felon Irwin Frank Kern‘s Affiliate Leader Board too…
Can’t wait to see that upcoming sack-of-doodoo frauduct launch in the {Targeting} box Salty!
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# 2 May 2011 at 11:22 pm

Mr. DNA said:
Sales taxes is how you get these muthafuckas…Sales Tax… Think about it. These jerks are selling high priced crap, but it is tangible crap..the DVDs books are products…I bet some states would like get their beaks wet.
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Thom Reply:
May 4th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@Mr. DNA, Actually, scroll up to the comment by “Bullshit Detector.” SAMP laws. That is their achille’s heal. No way have they or can they comply. And yes, people have gone to prison for violating SAMP laws.
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gringo Reply:
May 5th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
@Mr. DNA, regarding Sales Tax…
In my country, If I as a business give an employee a gift that has a value attached to it,.. I must pay sales tax for that value.
If I give away any products or services away to customers or others, I need to at least pay sales tax on the “normal value”.
If someone steals or goods are lost,.. it´s lost inventory, and I donçt have to pay sales tax on that total value, but this is very regalated as well.
I guess the syndicate players have given away products for hundreds of millions,… a billion?? {if we use the value they´ve sold these products for before their syndicate friend launches HIS fraudluct product} as bonuses to bribe {¿¡corruption!?} their target offers to buy the last {biz-op} biz in a box.
If they where to pay sales tax on the value of their bribes and corruption, I beleive it would bankrupt them 100 times… and throws them behind bars for 400 years
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# 4 May 2011 at 8:08 pm
Salty Droid: Screwing the Internet Marketing Syndicate | CB Digital Product Reviews said:
[...] Main Street Marketing Machines :: Fusion ShitStorm [...]
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# 12 May 2011 at 4:48 pm

Josh Long said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I know you’ll think I’m making stuff up or just doing this to piss you off, but here’s the honest truth. I bought Main Street Marketing Machines Fusion last month when it came out, it was $3,000. After applying his system, I made $8,000 in the first week and have already helped a local business increase their profits and client acquisition. I have $40K of business deals I’m closing right now, and I’m not screwing anyone. These business owners are getting seriously awesome results.
So, say what you will, but you guys can enjoy your mockery and hate, I’ll enjoy making great money working part time and helping local business owners make more money without having to do anything more. Who wouldn’t want an extra $100K a year? OR $50K? Heck, who wouldn’t want an extra $10K? It’s worked for me…
LOSER!! ::   -4
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Get Real Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 10:00 pm
@Josh Long, If you actually needed to spend $3,000 to learn the most basic of stuff, then you are absolutely retarded.
However, even that assumes you aren’t completely full of bullshit, which you are.
Your comment is just a repeat of every other scammer/bullshit artist’s comment that has been made on this blog. No proof, no facts, and no truth.
Fail.
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_cartman_ Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@Josh Long,
This mocks for ewe!
I know you’ll think I’m making stuff up
So you felt the need to validate that statement by making claims, and not providing one iota of proof to “authenticate” those claims? It would appear you created your own self-fulfilling profitsee [[note to self: create a better mockeration]]. You’re practically a visionairy! Do you have the ability to predict the end times like Michael Noteourdumbass [[that's Koenigs...keep up]]? You probably thought I was talking about the 16th century profit…butt no…no profits [[regardless of era]] are featured herein forthwith above [[shout out Andros...who taught me to use words in complex, convoluted [[I have no fucking clue how to use the English language]] kind of way]]
[[how's your head V?..still with us?]]
but here’s the honest truth
Are you being redundant, or is this the “honest” truth as opposed to the “dishonest” truth? I hate the “dishonest” truth! After im’ers finish “watering” the Africans, I think they should get together and use their superior intelligenticalism and eliminate the “dishonest” truth!
I have $40K of business deals I’m closing right now
Of course you do, and that is why you came here [[with your innuendo]] to set us all straight; And we [[there is no -I- in we]] thank ewe! [[pssssst Malinchuk, is there an -I- in us?...just curious...I really want to learn...ewe have such a beautiful mind]]
[[is your head starting to build a little pressure V?]]
you guys can enjoy your mockery and hate
My mockerations keep me warm at night, and my hate gives me a warm fucking rosy glow [[everyone says..."_cartman_...your hate give you such a warm and rosy glow"...it must be true...I quotated it]].
I like making Mockaroons, dancing the Mockarana, and my most favorite food is Mockaroni with cheese. I wear mockasins [[being .02% native Canadian]], and of course as a Canadian, I love Mockey night in Canada [[I don't like to blow my own nose, but I once hit the puck so hard, I was able to make it to third base...but the quarterback cheatered me...so I got a free throw, and made the goal!!!...yeah bitches...you's in the presence of athletic grateness]]. I also like wearing a smock, sleeping in a hammock, but my favorite past time is to mammock people like ewe.
all seriousness aside…
Seriously dude….christ….I could never mock you [[were you born in a barn or something]]…..don’t you know the universal truth?….Gawd mocks those who mock themselves [[it's an extrapolation of a colloquialism [[or idiom if you prefer]]]]…and it’s a universal truth [[which makes an honest truth just pail in comparison]]…
[[caution: I am a certified extrapolater, do not try that at home!]]
PS – see how I just made myself an expert in my nitch field of extrapolatory colloquialisms. That was NOT just some shameful attempt at introducing my; “How to triple your traffic, and make $50K per month creating extapolated colloquialisms for fun and profit while doing something you love” either…it wasn’t…and that’s the honest truth [[anyone reading this who didn't want to BYE my coarse...shame...]]…
PPS – sometimes we have to think logically [[like "internet marketers"]]…and ask the intelligentical questions…like….did Mary and Joseph really think they could get a hotel room at Christmas [[without reservations]]…90% of all babies are born in barns because people are too lazy to pick up the phone….
PPPS – my apologies to V…who’s head just exploded
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2LateSmart Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 2:08 pm
@Josh Long,
Hot damn! Sign me up! Affiliate me or…market me to the target rich environments in…….interwebs…lay some SEO on me.
I am so going to buy your..whatever it is. Or whatever this fusion market affiliative process is that you like. You know why? Because you are a TOTAL oracle – I DID think you were making it up! And you knew I would. Imagine how that boggled my alleged mind!
So please make me lots of money and send me your, um, stuff that you made so much money for all those other people with and so also, I too, as well can make lots. Of money.
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# 1 June 2011 at 8:08 pm
Sounds like contradiction to me said:
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# 2 June 2011 at 7:43 am

Competition Confusion said:
http://contestsimple.com/videoboss/ So I saw people promoting the videoboss thing and I wanted to check out the terms and conditions (I mean how are they going to KNOW how many people you spammed to be the winner) and couldn’t find any. I also couldn’t find any on the content simple website that are running it “for” Andy Jenkins
Nor could I find any registered competition details or all of that normal stuff you need to run a competition LEGALLY.
Love the footer details on the content simple site too – so helpful
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# 6 June 2011 at 2:41 am

Elaine Biss said:
This douche bag is now giving away “2 ipad`s” (sic) and his video course FREE!!! I told my friends to steer clear of him. He is a spammer/scammer. If he doesn`t learn proper grammar, his courses are going to be worth nothing. Oh wait!! They already are!!! >:/
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# 6 June 2011 at 10:54 am

I CANELLED said:
Marketing Machine Fusion – is the biggest piece of shit program. Every time you turn around they want more money and their software has technical issues all of the time. It sucks, don’t do it and take it from someone who has purchased. They suck you in – and half the shit doesn’t work. There would be a lot more testimonials from people if it were so great. I should have taken my own advise. DON’T BUY THIS CRAP!!!
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Trey Reply:
July 24th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
@I CANELLED, Good for you!
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# 23 July 2011 at 11:06 am

Matt said:
I thought I was the only one who thought MSMM was shit.
The product is total garbage and I cannot believe that I actually bought into it.
I know of way less expensive systems and training that can actually be helpful.
Thanks for being a voice of truth.
Matt
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# 12 August 2011 at 11:44 pm

Anonymous said:
I love how you can literally hear them snorting bumps in the background and even coughing from it lol priceless… for everything else there’s retards.
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# 24 January 2012 at 1:44 am

Jack said:
It’s too bad about that the MainStream Marketing Machine people could have gotten the Instant Customers if they only had more patience and waited.
Also, if they went and got the BIG box early beard big bonus, they could have saved multiple $1997 payments by getting all the previous $1997 products that were sold previously for $1997.
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Jack Reply:
May 30th, 2012 at 2:00 am
@Jack, Also I found the good news for Newbies who want to spend One Thousand Nine Hundred And Ninety Seven Dollars ($1997), because Mike Koenigs told a newbie-man named Bobby that newbies are the biggest target-market for him:
Bobby-G Question:
“I am interesting, sounds great, just need help to get it rolling. I am am a newbie at this internet , so all the help that I can get will appreciated. Thank you very mich.”
Mike Koenigs (“2009 Marketer of the Year” winner) Answer:
Hi Bobby – more than half of our customers are newbies. All it takes is being around people who’ve done it before and success can literally rub off on you!
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Lanna Reply:
May 30th, 2012 at 2:39 am
@Jack,
But I don’t want Main Street Frotteur Mike Koenigs rubbing himself off on me.
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Jack Reply:
May 30th, 2012 at 2:57 am
@Lanna, I want to show you a good literary-comment technique Bobby made for expressing his newbie-fear in the comments section from where he repeats “am” twice:
“I am am a newbie at this internet”
So what I thought about was you could show your rubbing-fear, too like it by saying:
“I don’t don’t want Main Street Frotteur Mike Koenigs rubbing himself off on me.”
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Lanna Reply:
May 30th, 2012 at 4:50 am
@Jack,
That’s a double negative. I think it needs to be:
I do do not want Main Street Frotteur Mike Koenigs rubbing rubbing himself off on me.
I do do not want it in a boat. I do do not want it with a goat.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
May 30th, 2012 at 8:27 am
@Lanna & Jack,
That was hilarious, you didn’t not make me spit my coffee, and Mr. Koenigs’ exchange with the am am new at this Internet newbie deserves a Verge article of its own.
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Jack Reply:
May 30th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@Jack, Mike Koenigs (2009 Marketer Of The Year Winner) has proudly claimed for grabbing $385,421 from newbies but more interesting people new to the internet can still have the opportunity to give him One Thousand Nine Hundred And Ninety Seven Dollars ($1997):
“As of right now, 386 people have joined Instant Customer Revolution.
That means there are just over 100 of the $14,886 value “Best of Boxes” left in stock.”
50%+ of mr. Koenigs market is newbies according to mr. Keonigs…
MATH: (386/2)*$1997 = $385,421
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Translation Reply:
May 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
“Hi Bobby – more than half of our customers are newbies. All it takes is being around people who’ve done it before and success can literally rub off on you!” – Mike Koenigs
TRANSLATION:
Hi Bobby [SUCKER] – more than half of our customers [SUCKERS] are newbies [RIPE SUCKERS]. All it takes [FOR ME TO GET YOUR MONEY] is [YOUR] being around people [MY STUPID AFFILIATES] who’ve done it before [SHILLED LIKE FOOLS] and [MY] success [SCAM] can literally rub off [OF YOUR AVAILABLE MASTERCARD CREDIT BALANCE] on you! [AND INTO MY BANK ACCOUNT.]
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# 30 May 2012 at 1:44 am

Jack said:
Tomorrow, June 2, 2012 is last day for all the newbies to give Mike Koenigs (“2009 Marketer of the Year” winner) the One Thousand Nine Hundred And Ninety Seven Dollars ($1,997).
It’s a good deal I think because he made some “AWESOME BONUSES valued at over $4,000 that will get you to join us right now – before we’re sold out.”
So it means for sure that just buy giving mr. Koenigs One Thousand Nine Hundred And Ninety Seven Dollars ($1,997)…all the newbies are automatically $2,003 ahead!
It’s what it means from “It Takes Money To Make Money” (or at least some credit cards with at least None Thousand Nine Hundred And Ninety Seven Dollars ($1,997).
Basically, it’s free money right? Right?
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# 1 June 2012 at 6:15 pm

Jack (2012 Marketer Of The Year) said:
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Join the LIVE Instant Customer Revolution webcast where we’ll announce the contest details Saturday:
MikeandFrank
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There are free drawings and giveaways all day including a New iPad, AppleTV and Kindle Fire!
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And you’ll get your questions answered – interactively!
It’s a full day of fun – get all the details and sign up here:
Here are just a few highlights of what you’ll learn and see on the live webcast!
DrMarcAndCharlie
Success Case Study #1 => Dr. Marc and Charlie Seymour Jr.
Entrepreneurial psychologist, Dr. Marc Kossmann and video-crazed MBA marketer, Charlie Seymour Jr. started their own marketing agency less than two years ago. They’re going to reveal how they get the leads, convert them into customers and have gone from charging $2,500 and are now getting $15,000, $25,000 and more per client.
Jean Scally
Success Case Study #2 -> Jean Scally
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welcomeemail2
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Just over a year ago Johnny started with one of our previous products, “Social Media Marketing Machines” (included in the “Best of Box”) after having gone from earning six-figures a year in a family business to ZERO. After starting with the system, he closed his first $5,000 client in one day after a meeting on a school bus with his son’s class. Johnny will talk about how he’s cracked making SIX FIGURES IN A SINGLE MONTH!
Paul Colligan
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Chris_Bole
Success Case Study #4 => Chris Bole, Real Estate Marketing Strategies
In only 9 months Chris Bole has generated over $70,000 in setup fees from his clients and currently has a recurring income of over $11,000 per month and growing. Chris has even brought his Mom into his business and she is having a great time reaching out to new businesses that need Chris’s help. Chis will share how he’s using Instant Customer to sell real estate and sold a property for cash in 12 days while building a buyers list of over 70 people in a short period of time.
Michelle Edwards
Success Case Study #5 => Michelle Edwards
Michelle Edwards was working full time as a Starbucks Coffee District Manager and part time with her husband David and his business. After signing up for Main Street Marketing Machines (included in the “Best of Box”), Michelle has picked up clients in all sorts of industries who are paying her $1,000-$5,000 setup fees and hundreds of dollars every month on continuity including parking lots, hotels and trade shows.
BBRobertHughes
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about_jessie_schwartzburg
Success Case Study #7 => Jessie Schwartzburg Event Producer
Find out how Jessie uses Instant Customer for event notifications and how the system made $25,000 in only 90 minutes at an event. Any business that does events or trade shows can use this strategy!
We’ll also include lots of hotseats, Q&A opportunities and your chance to meet six and seven-figure “All Stars” who’ve built their businesses with Traffic Geyser, Instant Customer and the “Best of Box” tools and resources.
Those “All Stars” include:
Fireman Mike LeMoine – he’ll talk about local video marketing and how he’s closing deals and is on track to doing seven figures in revenue in two short years.
Jimmy Harding – how he went from zero to six figures in 90 days with our systems.
Eric Kurit and Jody Underhill – how to close $5,000, $10,000 and $20,000 sales quickly and easily.
And much more!
Here’s where to register:
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There are no license fees, franchise fees or royalties EVER!
Sign up for the live webcast here!
PS – even if you can only show up for a few minutes to register to win the free iPad, AppleTV and Kindle Fire, you’ve got to show up!
PPS – would you take a moment and share this message to someone you know who would like to earn more, live more and give more?
PPPS – you’ll be BLOWN AWAY when you see the video with Frank and Mike
PPPPS – remember, Instant Customer Revolution will be taken off the market on Sunday, June 3rd and the $14,886 “Best of Box” will no longer be available for free”
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# 1 June 2012 at 6:35 pm

Ray Lane said:
We purchased Main Street Marketing Machines Fusion 2.0, and we have made back far more than it cost. Not only that, but we have used the techniques and tools to make our clients businesses explode. Now, admittedly, we have not made millions, but we have made hundreds of thousands in the past 2 years, and we have clients (mostly lawyers, chiros and dentists) that have seen huge increases in call volume and business.
Do not get me wrong, Fusion had issues with some of the tools. However, the main tools (Traffic Geyser, Monster FollowUp, and some of the trainings) were most of what we used. Overall, I would spend 2-4K to make back 600k any day of the week.
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Wyrd Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
@Ray Lane,
I’m a little bit skeptical on your numbers. You wouldn’t happen to be a Mike Koenigs affiliate would you?
Regardless of that, what’s your opinion of Mike’s “magnum opus”?
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# 25 October 2012 at 10:44 pm

Wyrd said:
Gee thanks, @Wordpress.com. It’s great to have your sanction that it’s all good. Lame spam.
Mrs. Peacock: Everything all right?
Colonel Mustard: Yep. Two corpses. Everything’s fine.
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0013795/quotes
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