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Cosmic Connie said:
And this… all of this… is why Minions 2.0 is so important. Thank you for the reminder. As for the media, I haven’t completely lost my faith in TV journalism yet, but they may be fighting a losing battle as long as there is so much airtime to be filled and so much revenue-producing scam content to fill it.
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Jack Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
@Cosmic Connie,

“TV journalism”
It’s one of those-there oxymoron’s, aint it?
WINNER!! ::   +10
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SD Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
@Jack ::
Maybe it’s just a matter of taste :: but I still feel like I can trust Ron Burgundy … little known science fact that people who have “legitimate mustaches” can’t lie.
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Ron Burgundy Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:04 am
Did I hear my name being dropped here? I thought so. Here’s a little ditty for all my peeps:
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Wyrd Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
Re tv journalism:
at the local level
I have faith that whenever there’s the slightest possibility that something visually titillating might be happening in my urban center, one or more news helicopters will be all over it (like flies on poop).
at the national level
I have faith that 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, the big news networks like CNN and… maybe CNBC will be pumping out a steady stream of a regurgitation of whatever they think is happening right then. Which may or may not bear any resemblance to what’s actually happening. Meanwhile, Fox network is where the truth goes to die. Maybe I’m too harsh on Fox… but fuck ‘em forever for Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reiley, Fox n’ Friends, duplicitously false “Fair and Balanced”, and Rupert Murdoch.
[I was going to write about NPR here too, but it's not television]
at the inter-national level
I have faith that I can rely on the BBC World News to give me some stories that are probably grounded in reality and that might be largely true(ish). Since I don’t have a wide range of selection in inter-national coverage, it’s hard for me to compare and contrast to see if it’s true-true or just kinda fake true.
And based on those sources of information, I make my decisions. Ain’t life grand?
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Disclaimer–coming clean: I am not a major newsie. I do not follow the news a lot. I always feel like I should be paying more attention, but then I don’t anyway. So… all that negative stuff I said about the news, you know, you can feel free to ignore that if you’re experience has been different.
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Furry cows moo and decompress.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
@Wyrd, @Jack, For the most part I would agree, and I’m sure @SD does too. TV journalism, while not being a complete oxymoron, has largely failed us when it comes to shining the light of truth on Scamworld. But once in a while they do manage to do something right, as in ABC’s small series of stories, originally aired in June 2010, about James Ray and some of the other “Secret” stars. I realize that’s one of those exceptions that prove the rule, but nevertheless, I have not given up entirely on TV as a source for useful information about scams and scammers. Blogs and other online publications, as well as a few print publications, seem to be doing a far better job, however.
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Elaine B. Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@Cosmic Connie, I don`t follow the news but they should be taken with a shot of penicillin. You just don`t know where this stuff comes from.
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Steve B Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 12:08 am
@Elaine B., Penicillin doesn’t help with MRSA infections…
Massive Repeating Scam Attacks
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Head Honcho Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:39 am
@Cosmic Connie, My biggest disappointment is with 24-hour news. I hoped, when it was first born, that it would mean more in-depth coverage of little-known important stories throughout the day. That was the initial plan, anyway. Then, facing competition from some *excellent* online news sources that have started beating out even the 24-hour channels on major stories, they’ve done almost totally to the same stories that would be covered during an ordinary one-hour evening broadcast, spread out and repeated endlessly over the 24 hours…with talking heads to fill in the time telling us what to think of the stories we just heard.
I’d be offended they think we’re so stupid we can’t even make up our own minds about the news without some pundit telling me what to think or arguing with another pundit to help me decide what I should think. But I know better. It’s *economics*. Talking heads are *cheap*. They fill lots more time for the dollar than a remote crew at the white house or overseas in a battle zone.
Total disappointment.
If you tend to think and shit.
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Dr Geek Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:52 am
@Wyrd,
The BBC is far from perfect…but it’s one of the most reliable worldwide news sources. It’s one of the things I missed most when I lived out of the UK.
Otherwise, TV journalism? Fuhgeddaboutit.
(Channel 4 news gets an honourable mention in the UK but doesn’t have global reach)
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Eh? Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 6:31 am
@Dr Geek, What does this even mean “when I lived out of the UK”
I live in the UK, not out of it. :-)
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Dr Geek Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 6:59 am
@Eh?,
I live in the UK, but I spent ahead in New Zealand, when I lived “out” of the UK.
Simple.
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Dr Geek Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 8:37 am
@Dr Geek,
spent “a year” in New Zealand, even. Damn you autocorrect!
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Holy Sh- Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 4:35 am
@Cosmic Connie, keep in mind, there was a time when the media was reluctant to take on the Church of Scientology, for fear of lawsuits. Then Anonymous happened. The more the CoS flailed about, trying to use its usual intimidation tactics on a fluid and faceless crowd, the dumber and more evil it looked. The more information leaked out about how the CoS actually operated, the less inclined people were to think well of them. And the more members left the organization and spoke freely, the more the media had to work with to tell the truth.
Anonymous declared its war on Scientology four years ago. It’s still going on and while the protest crowds have diminished (and a distressing number of Anons have moved on to fellating Julian Assange’s e-peen) the damage done to CoS is not easily reversed because it’s close to impossible to take them seriously about anything.
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pigs trotters Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 6:06 am
@Dr Geek,
I find that a combination of BBC, Channel 4, Al Jazeera and RT gives a well-rounded perspective–at least as close to well-rounded as you are likely to get given the second, third and fourth hand nature (not to mention in-built bias)of all news reporting.
Trouble is that those channels focus on high level incidents and rarely report on the ceaseless low-level background fraud that is happening constantly to ordinary joes and is a real component part of the confusing fundamental causes for the eventual high-level incidents.
The sick machine, in other words.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Some good comments here in response to mine (and in response to the responses to mine). I realize, of course, that this post is about more than TV journalism/”news”; it is an indictment of the mainstream media in general, though TV gets an extra rap on the knuckles for being so…well…knuckle-headed. And so consistently irresponsible.
I do want to make it clear that when I refer to TV journalism, which I still maintain is not a complete oxymoron, I’m not referring to the local nightly news with its sound and sight bites, but to longer-format investigative pieces. Where Scamworld is concerned there are far too few of these, and that may always be the case. But once in a while a network or even a local station manages to shine, even if it’s a small light in a vast wilderness of scams.
I share @Head Honcho’s disappointment with the 24-hour TV news sources. I remember a short-lived channel from way back in the early 1990s that provided what I considered to be thoughtful and intelligent coverage of things that really mattered in the world. That was the Christian Science Monitor’s Monitor Channel. Alas — and I quote directly from Wikipedia: “In 1992, after eleven months on the air, the service was shut down amid huge financial losses.”
That pretty much says it all, I think.
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Chuck Reply:
May 22nd, 2013 at 9:34 pm
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@Cosmic Connie, There is no scam with any of the gurus . Their content works and is for real : Tony Robbins, Jeff Walker, Mike Koenigs particularly and so forth.
Why are you out to get what works? You appear like communist that wants to prevent free trade of these amazing people. There are so many testimonials (forget about the way I went from no one and nothing to a few million dollars – making more than CEOs of my former parental company, just by blogging) but focus on the many celebrity testimonials of Tony Robbins and others.
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Wyrd Reply:
May 22nd, 2013 at 9:52 pm
@Chuck,
(forget about the way I went from no one and nothing to a few million dollars – making more than CEOs of my former parental company, just by blogging)
Shoot, me too, man! Millions and millions!
Oh wait. That was fake-me from a daydream I had when I was 12 or something.
If this was supposed to be a joke on purpose, then I’m not completely getting it.
To put it bluntly: I don’t get your point.
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Furry cows moo and decompress.
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Matt Reply:
May 22nd, 2013 at 10:53 pm
@Wyrd, Oh man, me too!
And you know what? I gave it all away. Every cent, cuz… that job at Subway gives me something no eight-figure blogging business ever could: the opportunity to give back to the people who gave me so, so much. Not in money (because it was never about that), but in delicious, wholesome sandwiches.
Funny how that happens. Or not.
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Jack Reply:
May 23rd, 2013 at 12:59 am
@Chuck, I am sad about what you told us about your former parental company and I can tell you I’m sorry for you about the loss of your parents.
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# 21 September 2012 at 1:18 pm

duff said:
kill your tv, as we used to say in the 90′s when flannel was cool and Kurt Cobain was still alive
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Wyrd Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@duff,
We tried. But it turns out all the bad sh*t from TV is following us onto the web.
Google? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
http://saltydroid.info/the-prosper-chronicles-451/
And somewhere on saltydroid.info there’s a screen shot of the Scamworld video playing on youtube. And when Anthony Robbins shows up, youtube “helpfully” pops up an overlay add to offer to take you to the evil bastard’s website!
Welcome, my son, welcome to the sick machine…
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Dr Geek Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 6:19 am
@duff,
“spun him ’round about pushed him out, laughing as he fell about, sat down for a drink in her father’s favourite chair”
Obscure Stourbridge Crusty band references FTW!
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# 21 September 2012 at 2:08 pm

G. said:
That’s the first barrage of what I expect will become salty’s total war on the real scum without which most of these scammy fucks could not even exist: the mainstream scamedia. Helping other frauds do what they have been doing since Goebbles showed them how. I think salty may actually end up being one of the few living humans I consider worthy of the hall of fame for kickass guys!! Go salty!!
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# 21 September 2012 at 3:36 pm

Wyrd said:
Dear @ALL (but mostly those that aren’t site regulars),
Would you like to know a secret? An even bigger secret than The Secret? Ok. I’ll tell ya. You promise not to spoil it by telling everyone else, right?
Cool.
“Oh my god… it’s full of scams…”
The Secret is, is… it’s all a fucking scam. I realize that, that’s hard to wake up to… but that’s only because you’ve been lied to for probably your whole, entire life. It’s kinda like you’re in the matrix. Except it’s not machines that have us locked in, rather it’s just humans fucking over other humans. And why do they do that? Well, many reasons. Selfish desire for “success” i.e. money for one. But there are also those that honestly believe in the lie they’re selling you. And then there are those that have become so cynical that they just don’t see how much damage their doing. For sure most folks aren’t in a position to see the full scope of the problem. And, if you’re just one “telemarketer” on one phone line, it’s easy to not see that the people you’re screwing over, and even you yourself are just little itty bitty cogs in a vast sick machine of bullshit.
Ok… I know I’m not going to be able to convince you in one rambling paragraph that looks a lot like a conspiracy theory. But I implore you to dig deeper rather than dismissing out of hand.
Why not check out some of the details of the individuals covered in this article?
search saltydroid.info for Jeff Walker: http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22jeff+walker%22&x=0&y=0
search saltydroid.info for Mike Koenigs: http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22Mike+Koenigs%22&x=0&y=0
search saltydroid.info for Joe Vitale: http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22Joe+Vitale%22&x=0&y=0
search saltydroid.info for Randy Garn http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22Randy+Garn%22&x=0&y=0
search saltydroid.info for Russell Brunson http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22Russell+Brunson%22&x=0&y=0
search saltydroid.info for Anthony Morrison http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22Anthony+Morrison%22&x=0&y=0
Bob Proctor http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22Bob+Proctor%22&x=0&y=0
John Assaraf http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22John+Assaraf%22&x=0&y=0
search saltydroid.info for James Arthur Ray http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22James+Ray%22&x=0&y=0
search saltydroid.info for Maria Andros http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22Maria+Andros%22&x=0&y=0
search saltydroid.info for Tony Robbins http://saltydroid.info/?s=%22Tony+Robbins%22&x=0&y=0
Did I miss anyone? If so, please add as a reply. Thanks.
Read some now, before fake bullshit takes your money and your life away like it did to victim Colleen Conaway.
Who Killed Colleen Conaway? :: Part 2
It’s been more than a year and a half :: and although the question is all but answered :: there has still been no official investigation into the dubious circumstances surrounding the sad and senseless death of Colleen Conaway :: American girl.
Colleen died :: for no reason :: at 1:43 on July 25th 2009 :: while attending James Arthur Ray’s Creating Absolute Wealth seminar in San Diego. It wasn’t Colleen’s first Ray event :: she’d been swirling around in his vortex of lies and covert controls for …
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Furry cows moo and decompress.
WINNER!! ::   +10
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Elaine B. Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:36 pm
@Wyrd,
I agree. I used to believe it like it was the gospel. It makes people self centered ego maniacs and I was well on my way there. It preaches you can have everything you want by thinking about it, (and thinking you deserve it without merit and faking it) do nothing and take from everyone.
Hence the boiler rooms. Yes they are super successful at scamming because of that. But that`s business, some may say. That`s not business. That`s pillaging. And pillaging those who don`t have anything or live on fixed incomes.
Keep up the good work Salty.
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# 21 September 2012 at 3:42 pm

Elaine B. said:
It`s all bought. Have to agree with Salty. There is enough people in cahoots dealing and wheeling snake oil. They need to worry about how this affects others and how creating news that is not news is, well, WRONG!!
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# 21 September 2012 at 6:28 pm

Anna said:
@Salty, I’m feeling a little off topic here, but I’m guessing you spelled it Romeny instead of Mittens’ preferred spelling for SEO reasons because you did it twice….
I was just floored by the Forbes piece when another commenter posted that a few days ago. I would have expected more of them as a new outlet. Long ago, I lost any confidence in any mainstream news magazine type shows and I’ve never had any faith in any day time talk mostly aimed at women.
You’ve really done your homework connecting all these dots we’ve seen before for this post. As for the rest of us, I guess we can surmise that if something seems skeezy it is and if it doesn’t seem skeezy on the surface, we’d better still check it out thoroughly.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
@Anna ::
I deny that this post ever had any embarrassing misspellings … shirly you are mistaken.
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# 21 September 2012 at 8:06 pm

realestateguru said:
The thing that really made me laugh was how lot’s of the big lists out there were sending this shit article out like it was “news”.
The other thing that really made me laugh is how he takes credit for the sales number in every product launch as if it were his own.
His launches (PLF X.X) are tired losers.. For anyone who is looking to do a product launch, let me save you $2000..
Step 1: Create 3 content videos delivering results in advance, preferably telling the people how they are gonna make a shitload of money online without doing any work and without needing any experience.
(Have a cut in line button, so they can’t beat all the other people to the punch to get your awesome product)
Step 2: A sales video that employs fear of loss, scarcity and a better than money back guarantee offer that seems to good to be true.
Step 3: Get JV’s on board by offering iphone 5′s or some other cool prize for opt in’s plus prizes for overall sales. Give them EPC numbers so you can tap into the greed factor. (Clear the calendar and make sure syndicate from niche is not mailing on same date)
There, saved ya $2000. Instead of sending me cash for this quick course, go ahead and send the cash to Salty, his address was on previous hilarious post.
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# 21 September 2012 at 10:18 pm

Mark said:
So Russell Brunson got started with ”How to make a potato gun’? Hadn’t heard that one before…
He also says here that his first product was the potato one: http://russellbrunson.presskit247.com/content/content-article.asp?ArticleID=6118
But he’s full of shit…
A little check of the Wayback Machine would reveal that the potato site only started in May 2005… Here’s a snapshot from June 8 2005 showing him following Frank Kern’s Underachiever advice and asking for questions that would form the basis of his product:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050608234338/http://www.howtomakeapotatogun.com/
But funny, Russell was selling marketing products a year (if not more) before that
http://web.archive.org/web/20040615200336/http://zipbrander.com/
What a dick…
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Hoopdy Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 1:56 am
@Mark, Bingo. The potato non-success was apparently a manufactured smokescreen to give him a “track record” so he could sell IM bullshit.
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Wyrd Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:17 am
@Mark,
That was,a good catch there.
Thanks
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Dog Catcher Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 6:40 am
@Mark, Give the lad a break, his first name is Russell and he’s a Mormon…
Good God! you’re right he’s a right bellend!
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# 22 September 2012 at 12:57 am

Bonnie "Sage" Mahavorick said:
Here is the PLF affiliate leaderboard last night at 7 p.m. Pacific. Salty has already written about many of them.
1. TIED: Brendon + Eben
3. Andy Jenkins
4. Richard Schefren (2 behind Andy)
5. Jeff Johnson
6. Michael Koenigs (three way tie for 7th)
7. Kenny Reuter (three way tie for 7th)
7. Brian Tracy (three way tie for 7th)
7. Mike Filsaime
10. Chris Hendrickson (tie for 10th)
10. Glazer Kennedy (tie for 10th)
10. Ryan Deiss (tie for 10th)
13. Ruth Buczynski
14. Don Crowther
15. Matej Bester
16. Donald Wilson
17. Vishen Lakhiani (tie for 17th)
17. Yaro Starak (tie for 17th)
17. Forest Linden (tie for 17th)
20. DNG Advisory Group
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Head Honcho Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:48 am
@Bonnie “Sage” Mahavorick, Hmmm. Interesting list and a few surprises in so far as some I’d think would be at or nearer the top but weren’t.
Anyone know who or what this DNG Advisory Group in position 20 is?
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mirele Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:09 am
@Head Honcho,
Looks like it’s short for Darren Hardy Group.
http://www.darrenhardy.com/index.html !!! warning, scammer !!!
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@mirele ::
http://mikekoenigs.com/success-magazine/
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Joe Cale Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
@Bonnie “Sage” Mahavorick,
Oh crap, all of my heroes are on the list. I need some new mentors. Suggestions? Where is Jeff Walker on the list?
best regards,
J
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SD Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 1:29 am
@Joe Cale ::
Here are some of my suggestions …
http://saltydroid.info/10-internet-marketers-doing-it-right/
… or you could fall back on a safety school type pick like …
Winston Churchill
Abraham Lincoln
Mahatma Gandhi
Pokemon
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Random stuff Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 2:41 am
@Bonnie “Sage” Mahavorick, good news, if any, is that the number of ties would indicate that the volume of sales is very low. I understand that the minimum number of sales for #1 would be just 13 units – and this would still alow for three sets of triple ties. I would guess that sales for #1 could be around 20 units, to allow for reasonable chances of three sets of ties. i.e. about 200 units sold in total…. Or are my stats out?
How much does he sell each PLF session for?
Would be great to find out who the buyers are, and email them links to this site.
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Bonnie "Sage" Mahavorick Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 11:11 am
@Random stuff,
Between affiliate cuts, marketing, and production expenses, you can assume Jeff Walker is pretax taking in about 1/3 of every sale.
Is he splitting the income with his brother who runs the back end of the business? That would reduce Walker to 1/6.
What about income taxes?
In the end, does Walker make a six-figure payday off of a PLF launch?
Maybe he should start a coal-walking cult like Tony “The Human Chin” Mahavorick did. The pay is better.
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# 22 September 2012 at 2:54 am

Jack said:
I’m enjoying watching the board-members here:
http://www.freepress.net/board-directors-free-press-and-free-press-action-fund
“Marcy Carsey is a founder with partner Tom Werner of the Carsey Werner Company, the television production company responsible for The Cosby Show, Roseanne, Third Rock from the Sun and That 70′s Show. Marcy and Tom joined forces in 1998 with the former head of Nickelodeon, Geraldine Laybourne, and Oprah Winfrey to create Oxygen, a multimedia company for women that fused a new cable channel with an Internet base. ”
Oprah…
So maybe freepress.net is more for promoting a free, yet irresponsible press?
“Michael Copps is a former commissioner and acting chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, where he served from 2001–2011.”
Re: 2001-2011 circa…
“The Federal Communications Commission has brought just 20 “payola” cases since 2000, settling or closing 12 of them, usually for small fines. An FCC spokesman, David Fiske, said the agency doesn’t monitor the airwaves itself, but rather acts only on viewer tips. “The only way we’d know [about a violation] is if someone has complained,” he said.”
http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/broadcast/sponsid.html
Really, it’s the only way fcc-can-know?? Even though now you are on the board of freepressl.net that tells us how you could actually know in some other, obvious ways:
http://www.freepress.net/activist-tools
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# 22 September 2012 at 1:11 pm

Warrior Forum Sucks Publisher Chuck said:
I’m not discouraged at all. In my view Salty Droid continues the fight started by Andrew Breitbart who help launch the Huffington Post and later the hugely popular and influential Breitbart.com. I’m not referring to a particular political philosophy or point of view. I am alluding to creating alternative news outlets, new media websites.
From the positive comments here about CNN, ABC, Al Jazeera and the BBC (all left leaning news sources), perhaps many of you cringe when reading the name Andrew Breitbart. You shouldn’t because, no matter one’s political leanings, one can learn much from Breitbart’s model on how to give a wide, powerful voice to news and editorial content one believes the main stream media ignores, buries or spins.
Liberals, conservatives and moderates can agree that internet marketing fraud is anathema to all fair minded, honest folks. Whether you loved or despised Andrew Breitbart, you can’t deny it took clear vision, courage, intelligence, perseverance and wit to accomplish what he did. Salty Droid has all these traits in spades.
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mirele Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
@Warrior Forum Sucks Publisher Chuck,
I have to laugh when you say that CNN, ABC, Al Jazeera and BBC are “left-leaning.” The first two are profit-oriented American networks. The third is owned by the royal family of Qatar. The fourth is beholden to the government of the UK, which at this point in time is being governed by the Conservative Party (aka “Tories”).
I would also point out that I would hope the Droid does NOT emulate Andrew Breitbart in several key ways. Breitbart was all about encouraging dishonest and deceitful pseudo-journalism in service to an ideology. He did not give a damn about truth. See, for example, Shirley Sherrod. Even when shown over and over that he had not told the truth about Sherrod, he did not apologize.
To me, this short video clip epitomizes Andrew Breitbart, a man who would go to a protest and come stark staring unglued shouting, “STOP RAPING PEOPLE!” over and over.
That said, I am GLAD our Mr. Droid relies on extensive documentation when he targets someone.
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Warrior Forum Sucks Publisher Chuck Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
@mirele,
I’m pleased I made you smile.
Don’t allow your ideological zeal to cloud your interpretation of my comment.
I clearly stated “I’m not referring to a particular political philosophy or point of view. I am alluding to creating alternative news outlets, new media websites”.
That Forbes magazine and main stream television outlets directly help the unicorn hucksters spew their dangerous pie in the sky nonsense means some might view such established media coverage as a seal of approval.
The Salty Droid website (and someday Salty Droid TV?) intelligently, convincingly and humorously offers another point of view, a compelling, truthful POV. This is very important.
Andrew Breitbart developed a blueprint on how to fight back against a seemingly overwhelming cornucopia of misleading, untrustworthy and fraudulent information (in Andrew’s mind anyway BUT please don’t allow Breitbart’s beliefs blind you to my point).
By exposing the scam artists, Salty Droid is doing the same thing with his crusade to help victims of fraudulent IM.
Let’s not engage in political bickering; let’s support this website, The Salty Droid. Mirele, some of my best friends are liberals. You are obviously passionate and intelligent. I’d line up next to you as Salty Droid soldiers any day.
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G Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
@Warrior Forum Sucks Publisher Chuck,
you’re a troll. Get back under your bridge. I have learnt to smell your kind long ago.
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Wyrd Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@mirele,
I’ll confess to having not ever heard of Andrew Breitbart before. Was he Rupert Murdoch’s inspiration or something?
Anyway, if Andrew Breitbart was about going for the sensational and never mind the facts then he can f*ck off… right along with Michael Moore. (see what I did there).
For a while me and my liberal-ness liked Michael Moore. But then I kept telling people how I liked Bowling For Columbine and then some conservative types pointed to blogs pointing out the various factual errors.
I wanted to refute them. So I began the (for me) laborious process of checking. And come to find out that, yes, Moore did tell untruths. Kind of many.
Then I thought back to Roger And Me and about how much of a dick Moore was in that movie.
Then I went looking at all the anti-Moore stuff put there on the web. Cognitive dissonance is owie. I was not pleased.
Sensationalism works very well which is why so many folks use it. But if it’s not backed up by fact-y facts then I’m not interested.
What’s the point of getting all worked up if it turns out it’s not actually true?
I don’t care if you’re conservative, moderate, or liberal. You must be able to back up your statements. Otherwise you could wind up walking on hot coals, with a shaved head trying desperately to get friends and family to buy some Believe brand hairspray.
Ideologies and belief systems are fun to talk about and think about. But at the end of the day, all ideologies and belief systems are revealed to be flawed and incomplete.
If my ideology or belief system has flaws, I can always just patch it. That’s what everyone always does anyway although they might not always realize it.
Give me facts and uncomfortable truths instead of ideology. I need those facts so I can make informed decisions and live my life.
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Furry cows moo and decompress.
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Warrior Forum Sucks Publisher Chuck Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@Wyrd,
It’s encouraging that you were open minded enough to research the facts about Michael Moore’s documentaries.
With the new media you were able to discover truths about Moore’s movies and statements that the liberal press had no interest in covering.
Too many here, including Salty Droid, are hung up on ideology so they missed the point I was trying to make in my comment.
What you did regarding Michael Moore’s documentaries was precisely the point I was attempting to make about counterbalancing the Forbes article and TV reports about questionable internet marketers.
As the new media grows, folks will have popular alternative sources of information to read, hear and view. This is a good thing.
Andrew Breitbart was a pioneer in new media. Had I chosen someone like Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks to make my point perhaps my comment would have been more welcome here.
Breitbart was a conservative. Cenk Uygur is a liberal pioneer in new media who turned an immensely popular Youtube channel into a media career that includes television, radio and the internet. He started this from scratch because he strongly believed he had to do something to respond to what he believed was misinformation being broadcast on FOX NEWS and conservative talk radio. His success has been truly remarkable.
Breitbart.com (still going strong after Andrew’s death) and Uygur toil in the political arena. Ideology matters there. Salty Droid covers marketing fraud. Liberals, conservatives and moderates can all support an effort that exposes fraud. The potential audience is huge.
If one dislikes the Breitbart model, then chose The Young Turks model. I don’t give a shit either way. My comment was not about ideology, it was about effectively spreading the truth about internet marketing fraud.
Here’s a side note and coincidence. You mentioned Michael Moore’s documentary ‘Roger and Me’. As you know it was about Moore’s efforts to meet with GM’s CEO Roger Smith. Well, before Roger Smith became CEO he was an executive at GM’s central Massachusetts plant (now closed). I live in Roger Smith’s old house.
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SD Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
@Warrior Forum Sucks Publisher Chuck ::
Yeah :: I’m going to have to strenuously object to that comparison … just like I did the one to useless piece of shit Julian Assange.
A cat turd is an alternative to a dog turd … but they’re both still shit.
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Warrior Forum Sucks Publisher Chuck Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
@SD,
You can object to my comparison, I have no problem with that. I still think you’re doing important work that more people should discover.
If you won’t adopt Andrew Breitbart’s immensely successful model for combating a powerful force of disinformation, I’m sure you have an alternative plan.
As you continue to succeed, don’t be surprised if that ‘turd’ begins to smell a little sweeter.
I’m confident that one day you will begrudgingly admit that your ever widening voice of truth owes some attribution, if only a slight tip of the hat, to a media wunderkind you so despised.
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G Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
@Warrior Forum Sucks Publisher Chuck,
See? told ya ya were a troll.
SD is a bit smarter than your average UFO investigating hippie though. You will require a little more subtlety in your misinformation campaign and in your efforts to try to tenuously link SD to some shitstain, especially when that “link” is entirely of your own fabrication in the first place.
Seriously. Get some training in basic disinformation before you try again fuckweed.
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Dog Catcher Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 6:44 am
@G, Let’s not fight ladies.
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
@Warrior Forum Sucks Publisher Chuck ::
Too many here, including Salty Droid, are hung up on ideology so they missed the point I was trying to make in my comment.”
Bite me!
The fake robot is non-ideological.
Breitbart got the facts wrong on purpose :: that’s the only thing I know about him … and the only thing I need to know.
Of course :: that was good enough for BlogWorld …
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Wyrd Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
…
It’s very hard for me to reconcile the Breitbart in that blogworld video with the one who was shouting incoherently at the Occupy protesters.
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Dr Geek Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 2:04 pm
@Warrior Forum Sucks Publisher Chuck,
The BBC is Left leaning? That would be news to our Labour Party. The BBC is a morass of disparate voices all competing to be heard (Andrew Neil hosts a political analysis show with Michael Portillo, FFS) rather than a top-down editorial structure. And I know it’s balanced, simply because each of our political parties believes the BBC mainly aims to persecute them.
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# 22 September 2012 at 2:22 pm

Matt said:
I had the misfortune of seeing Messr Walker in action in that fairly well-known luxury yacht video.
He came across as whiny, greedy, and downright pissed off that he wasn’t squeezing more money out of his marks.
“I’m all about copy,” he said, over and over. “Copy, copy, copy.”
You could tell he was the kind of guy who obsesses about his copy around the clock. He looked like he hadn’t taken a crap for days.
Now, if he was selling real stuff instead of shit in a box, getting it right wouldn’t be so hard, surely?
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Head Honcho Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 8:10 am
@Matt, You just made an excellent point about copy writing. I’ve been writing sales copy and other text most of my life. Sales copy is definitely a separate art form…and indeed it’s 100 times more difficult to write effective sales copy about a product that sucks.
In copy writing it’s a known fact you play to emotions. Hell — they do it all the time in TV commercials — even journalists. It’s not illegal OR immoral — if done to point out to you the benefits of a REAL product that REALLY does what it says it does and provides you with what was promised.
I hear a lot about people who hate “hype” in sales copy. They should. If it’s TRUE and the product is of REAL VALUE — it’s not hype and none is needed.
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Matt Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@Head Honcho,
Cheers! I write sales copy too, although it sounds like you’ve been in the business for a lot longer than me. Nevertheless, I learned pretty early on that trying to sell junk is, as you say, 100 times more difficult. Not only that, it’s downright soul-destroying.
I write copy for your everyday brick-and-mortar businesses – manufacturers, tradespeople, business software vendors (real business software, that is), etc. The money is steady, the clients sane and reasonable, and none of the work is terribly hard. The benefits are tangible and the products are real.
Sure, I stick to the positives and cherry-pick the facts to fit the pitch, but that’s the nature of the beast.
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Just Thinking Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 3:28 am
@Matt, @Headhoncho –
The creation of ‘real value’ is the ‘playing to the emotions’ – and to my mind in the ‘bricks and mortar’ sales copy, this is the most important part of the copy – rather than the descriptive part.
From Coca Cola, to Levi, to car sales: people will only buy a product if the ‘message’ that comes with the product is aligned with the ‘message’ that they would like to give out about themselves.
Good copy along with the right visuals will make a brand of jeans cool and sexy, so people will buy it. And this adds ‘real value’ from the consumer perspective.
The problem with internet marketers is that they hijack the ‘playing to the emotions’ along with any brainwashing or hypnotising techniques, in order to sell sh*t that will waste peoples time, and leave them feeling not ‘good’ about themselves (which would be the case if they bought that new car, or new pair of jeans) – but rather like a worthless piece of incompetent [....] and they blame themselves for not being able to follow ‘simple’ instructions – never realising that they are simply fodder for a relatively small group of scam artists – and the victims will often go back for more, in order to ‘correct’ their ‘failings’.
It is sad indeed that the main activity within the internet is IM fraudsters perpetrating their crimes – and everyone from the big news channels, credit card companies, plus ‘super good’ Google, Facebook, et al, picking up a good share of the peripheral income.
SD is just right for ‘shock tactics’ to get victims out of their mind sets.
But also I am with the minion uprising…
http://saltydroid.info/minion-uprising-2-0/
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What the what Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@Just Thinking,
A random thought here re: advertising for actual products (ie., cars, jeans, etc.) you discussed in your comment and the play to emotions v. the IM method…
Sure Smart Water might put the lovely Ms. Jennifer Aniston in their ads to appeal to my desire to be as impossibly beautiful as the Aniston is….and maybe I buy it and drink it and get a bit let down when I don’t turn into a beauty queen. (I don’t btw…drink smart water…as a magic beauty potion or otherwise….it is true that I think Jen Aniston is impossibly beautiful and though I don’t aspire to look like her I am pretty vain about my hair and have tried to copy her hairstyle. True story.)
But I don’t think Smart Water would email me and tell me that I’m not pretty enough and that I’m not playing full out and it is my fault I’m still not an Aniston look-alike.
Also, as far as I know, Apple has never contacted me to tell me that I’m not as delightfully quirky as manic pixie dream girl Zoey Deschanel, even though I bought their phone and asked Siri if it was raining while standing with my back to a window while rain beat against it…..
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pigs trotters Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
@What the what,
Apple and Smart Water don’t need to email you to underline that you will never match up to the airbrushed fantasy of the brand-building ads. That heavy lifting is done by the audience passively watching the clever attention catching TV ads themselves and absorbing and accepting the narrative and its implications.
It may not be as overt as emailing you but the message is conveyed nonetheless, and probably absorbed more deeply because it is more covert.
Why else would so much energy and expense be lavished on the advertising of goods that really aren’t exclusive and cool in themselves, being made in Chinese factories for pennies per item?
At least one Chinese Foxcon factory (makers of ipads etc) is in revolt and rioting as I write, over the appalling work conditions.
Power to them, I say. It may not be a boiler room but its still exploitation.
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What the what Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
@Pigs trotters,
You certainly make some fair points. I respectfully disagree with some of them. If I buy some foundation from Cover Girl, and I use it and it doesn’t give me “flawless, airbrushed, photo ready skin”, or whatever they heck they say it’s gonna do, and I try to return it because it didn’t work as they said it would, or I email them and say it didn’t work as they said it would, I am confident that they will not berate me, tell me I’m ugly even after using their product because I’m too lazy to really give it my all when I apply my foundation.
If I give their product a bad review on amazon, I am pretty confident that they are not going to show up and attack me as a hater who is too dumb and lazy to ever be pretty.
I get your point about the high saturation level of certain messages in advertising and how those can be absorbed. But I think there is a distinct difference in how criticism of product failure (for lack of a better term) is dealt with. I do think that matters.
However, I do acknowledge that, after being subjected to so much advertising for so long I have, at least for certain messages, come out the other side of it and generally don’t buy into much advertising. (It probably also makes a difference that in my house my dad and I play a game with commercials where we analyze them and make fun of what they are trying to make us believe. Note, I am not saying that makes us/me more savvy or smarter. I attached no qualitative attributes to that. And I don’t claim to be entirely immune to all advertising. I’m looking at you Hollywood. Putting stuff in trailers so it looks like the movie is way better than it actually is). So it is certainly possible that my perspective of things is a bit skewed and you are more right than I realize.
In regards to the factories in China that make parts for Apple products. I agree that it is inhumane for people to work in horrid and unfair conditions. I admit that I am not as knowledgable about such things as I probably should be and definitely do not know as much about where all of the things I buy come from.
I think you were making a point about negative externalities from our purchasing decisions but beyond that I think I’m just not getting your point about the comparison to IM/MMO boiler rooms. (I don’t mean that sarcastically. I honestly mean that I think I might just be reading what you wrote strangely and somehow your point is going over my head there).
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pigs trotters Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
@What the what,
I am just pointing out, redundantly maybe, that all of advertising is about controlling perceptions to get a sale, and that the big brands no longer ‘advertise’ or sell overtly.
Branding and product placement is about creating a cult around a logo and the big successful brands are very skilled at controlling perception to the point of locking in the customer once he is caught in the brand narrative.
Its no more ethical, when scrutinised, than what the boiler rooms are doing, just more subtly done and at much greater expense.
Agreed, you are more likely to get a refund for a faulty or non-performing item but that will change as austerity bites and there are more brands chasing increasingly less disposable income.
I think that the regulators themselves have become confused regarding what is legal and what not because the line between coercive and non-coercive sales–of everything, not just goods– has become totally fudged.
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Just Thinking Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 2:23 am
@What the what, I’d agree that I did not go enough into the manipulative, descructive method of ‘engagement’ that IMers use with their ‘customers’.
I only subscribed to a couple of the email lists before getting in too deep – so I have not had the direct experience of the nastier and personal pressure sales playing on vulnerabilites that these guys use.
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What the what Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
@pigs trotters,
Aaaaaaah. Okay. I think I might have been reading past your point a little bit….or was even being a bit too…I don’t, a bit too something, in the way I was thinking about television advertising.
But I get where you are coming from. I concede the discussion to you good sir or madam. Your last point reminded me about the fact that Claritin is now advertising directly to children in order to build brand loyalty. I guess the idea is to get kids to really want Claritin as kids (bizarro) so they will buy it as adults. And that type of crap is bull!
I appreciate you sticking through the discussion with me. I’m always grateful when someone can point out where I’m missing things. Most especially the distinction between coercive vs. non-coercive sales. Holy cow did I let that concept float right over my head.
@Just Thinking,
It was more of the fact that your comment got the wheels in my head turning trying to make distinctions and connections between the two “types” (for lack of a better term) of advertising. I didn’t mean to correct you or say that your comment was somehow lacking.
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# 23 September 2012 at 11:06 pm

Tom Stannard said:
There’s a lot of it about y’know…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207468/Double-life-Tory-chairman-Grant-Shapps-used-false-Michael-Green-promote-work-self-help-guru.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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mirele Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 3:38 am
@Tom Stannard,
Any idea if “Michael Green” / Grant Shapps had connections to our US scammers? I believe some tabloids would run with that if given the details.
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Random stuff Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 9:21 am
@mirele, rumours are surfacing that he took a cruise with some of them…
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/09/claims-grant-shapps-michael-green-spotted-on-caribbean-cruise-in-2009/
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Turds of a feather…I am not sure how old this site is, but it does mention that “Michael Green” was running for Parliament, though it failed to mention his other name.
http://www.magnet4web.com/internet-marketing-experts/michael-green/
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
@Random stuff ::
Yes :: I may have heard of that cruise …
http://saltydroid.info/vacationing-with-mike-filsaime/
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Anonymous Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 2:57 am
@SD, I thought it rang a bell. My hope is that someone can find a picture of “Michael Green TM” on this cruise… Particularily when he was supposed to be voting in parliament, and had already ‘moved on’ from his IM business (i.e. supposedly now only managed by his wife) – he avoided a conservative three man whip – which means he really really should have been voting.
Anyone fancy scrolling through photos of IMers doing cheesy stuff on a boat… in order to find the irrepressible Mr Green?
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Anonymous Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 4:24 am
@, …anonymous was @Random stuff
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Dr Geek Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
@mirele,
Not just the tabloids, either – I could imagine The Guardian being rather interested in such details (although such truly Left-leaning print media might be anathema to some of my Neo-Con fellow commenters…)
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SD Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
@Dr Geek ::
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/21/grant-shapps-posed-web-guru
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/02/grant-shapps-google-howtocorp-adsense
He’s “tipped for promotion to the cabinet.”
WTF?
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pigs trotters Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
@SD,
He got the promotion, having proved himself worthy of a place at the trough.
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Jack Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
@SD, A Conservative spokesman said that Shapps’s “involvement running a business is without question all the way competently introduced with the parliamentary government authorities together with after some time ministerial authorities”, including being cleared by Sir Bob Kerslake, the head of the civil service.
My thanks to my new friend from http://ezarticlelink.com/articlespinner/free.php for helping me to make it easier for understanding.
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# 24 September 2012 at 1:45 am

Neil said:
Saw scammer dean graziosi on NY1 last night. They were selling him as a real estate expert as they helped him fill his intro seminars so that he can steal from people.
So depressing:-(
Neil
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# 24 September 2012 at 6:59 pm

Jack said:
Don’t let’s forget our friends:
http://www.livedash.com – and now http://www.boxfish.com (just starting)… for finding more “goodies” in-the-news.
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# 25 September 2012 at 9:13 pm

Wyrd said:
Since we’re talking about Jeff Walker…
I feel that the video with audio excerpts from the conversation between Andy Jenkins and Jeff Walker are seminal for saltydroid.info at least as regards The Syndicate
Andy Jenkins and Jeff Walker discuss deceptive advertising tactics

Jeff Walker Sells Out of Andy Jenkins

After I first came to the site, after I’d figured out that in the battle of Salty Droid v. Naomi Dunford, Salty was the “good guy”, I went looking around the site for some of the really good “dirt”. Once I found those videos, I didn’t have to look any further.
(I’m still continuing my project to read every single article and at least skim all the comments, but it’s very slow going. I’m still in October 2009!)
–
Furry cows moo and decompress.
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# 26 September 2012 at 11:53 am

Jack said:
mr. Meyers tells WForum-people…
“Wow. One of the biggest launches that happens in a year in this market, and we assume there’s something fishy going on when people without links to it ask if it’s worth doing?
I could understand that response if it wasn’t hitting nearly every inbox in the industry. But… seriously?
Besides, I know Jeff. He wouldn’t play the shill game.
Paul”
See. It’s no shilling from mr. Walker…ever.
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/676864-you-enjoying-watching-jeff-walkers-launch.html
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Random stuff Reply:
September 27th, 2012 at 4:41 am
@Jack, looking down that thread…Warrior Forum is getting slow on the censoring:
From IMSince2003
“As a cynic, I see the world divided into 2 groups: 1) The elite IM product developers in a tight circle enjoying all the finery in life, and the much larger group 2) Those buying the product launches who wind up with empty wallets.
Not bashing anyone’s product, just an observation based upon massive feedback from literally everyone I’ve ever met in the IM world.”
… are we getting to the point when the scammiest bubble in the internet is about to implode, due to a few shafts of truth?
One can only hope.
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# 26 September 2012 at 9:12 pm

SD (author) said:
From an email Mike Koenigs just sent out …
I am so excited that I couldn’t even wait until Monday – that’s the day when I (finally) get to release my new Author Expert Marketing Machines Video series.
The videos amount to my Magnum Opus (my life’s work). In almost 30 years in business, I have never seen an opportunity quite like this…
I am going to send you an e-mail at precisely 10 am on Monday. The e-mail will have a link to Video #1. Watch it as soon as you get it. Between us, you’ll be FLOORED when this video goes public.
That’s because you’ll hear a very personal, very confidential confession that I have recently only shared with my closest friends. You won’t want to miss this.
Koenigs I’m warning you :: and I hope a couple peeps will pass on this warning … try to use cancer to sell unicorns and you will fucking regret it.
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Jack Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
@SD, I’m able to find this one:
“The Creator of Author Expert Marketing Machines Unveils His or her Life” so I’m thinking now maybe that the confession coming to us soon is that Mike Koenigs is actually a woman.
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EthiopianCrackBaby Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
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@Jack,
Enjoy…Watch it before it’s gone
http://player.vimeo.com/video/50407672
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Wyrd Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 1:50 am
[scary marketing video cliff notes and annotations]
He moves around the frame too much.
And, to Mike Koenigs: no–I have never wanted to receive a grammy or an emmy.
Also, Mike, that habit/pattern/recurring behavior of /combining/joining/merging
the verbs/action words of your sentences makes your sales pitch sound even more
like a sales pitch.
At 7 min 15 sec, the “I was diagnosed” cancer bit comes in.
“I’m not telling you this for sympathy, pity or mercy” says Mike. No, Mike,
you’re telling us that partly to make you seem all fuzzy and relate-able, but
mostly you’re telling us that to remind us of both our and your mortality–to
remind us that life is short and, therefore, we must Take Action Now!
Mike Koenigs says we’re in control of the media. Hang on while I go tell Oprah
and CNN.
Mike Koenigs says it’s not a business opportunity and that it’s not get rich
quick. Then he goes on to say that what he’s going to tell us (when he
eventually gets around to actually telling us) is “Harnessing the power of a
simple 5-step process and Five Push-Button `Marketing Machines’ in just a few
minutes”
“God given right to be a star” … that’s actually what he said. IMHO, that’s
every bit as effed up as the whole cancer-fear thing.
Also, the magic word that he’s been dangling for the past 10 min or so was …
platform. yeah. That’s what’s gonna fix yer bidness. Aren’t you glad Mike
Koenigs could think of that for you?
When Mike says “platform” he apparently means: efficient spammy email list
blasting system.
The Five P’s:
Position
Publish
Product
Promote
Profit
The underpants gnomes would be impressed. I’m not.
Mike says “it’s not unusual to be able to earn a million dollars for every ten
thousand names in your list.” For that to work, you’d have to be selling
something at $100 and have every person buy. Or more like you’d have to be
selling something at $1000 or $10,000 and have 1000 or 100 people buy
respectively. That also assumes no charge backs or cancelations.
I’m tired. Bedtime now. I’m probably going to wind up dreaming of Sorcerer’s
Apprentice style anthropomorphic brooms marketing-machine-spamming my inbox.
–
Furry cows moo and decompress.
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Wyrd Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 1:53 am
@Wyrd,
regarding the sloppy, choppy line breaks: darn… apparently Windows 7 notepad.exe is not so different from Windows XP notepad.exe as regards the Word Wrap setting. Oh well. #TheMoreYouKnow
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Lanna Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@Wyrd,
“He moves around the frame too much.”
I think he must’ve been standing on a balance board.
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Random stuff Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:21 am
@Lanna, I thought what??? I had a look… & you are dead right!
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EthiopianCrackBaby Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:41 am
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@EthiopianCrackBaby,
This may be late, but I didn’t check on his non-indexed page until now.
http://media.instantcustomer.com/10102/0/872_aemmebook-pdfv1.pdf
The QR codes throughout that PDF shows (if one needed extra proof) just how stupid these individuals are. If you are already reading the PDF, you wouldn’t need to “scan” the code with your mobile device. Those codes are used for printed media advertising, to get “customers” to the electronic media source.
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Random stuff Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:37 am
@EthiopianCrackBaby, No proof needed – but the more the better.
The text is not much better…
“I discovered it recently when I faced the prospect of my own death. And when I decided to share this hardearned
knowledge and wisdom, it gave me the joy and freedom I was looking for, too.
I want you to know you’re not alone.
I’m here right now with you, because of you.
You’re my passion and my purpose.
And if I had 30 days left to live, I’d be here with you right now.
Enjoy this book and the videos.
I’ll see you on the other side.
Mike Koenigs”
Such astonishing crappy BS. I would want to throttle *not literally* anyone who said that in front of me. Yet vulnerable people are vulnerable to this sort of cant [ http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cant ].
It beggars belief that the Koenigs clone Robbins can get such legions of acolytes even in the TED zone .. (per the majority of commenters)..
http://www.ted.com/talks/tony_robbins_asks_why_we_do_what_we_do.html
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SD Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Mike sent out this letter {quoted in the post} that’s so full of highlarious narcissistic obsession with his own asshole {literally} … omg it’s amazing … and it takes the hypocrite cake in the worst way.
I really loved it :: but I just couldn’t do it … I’m not going to be the one to tell the world about your asshole cancer no matter how attractive you make it for me. But now he’s gone done and told us all about it himself in a sales video … so I reckon I can publish whatever the fucks I wants then.
@EthiopianCrackBaby ::
If you want to keep commenting here … you’ll need to come talk to me.
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EthiopianCrackBaby Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:45 pm
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@SD,
If you want to keep commenting here … you’ll need to come talk to me.
I didn’t realize commenting was for my benefit. I have absolutely no interest in dealing with you, so if that is what it takes to comment, I won’t comment any further.
LOSER!! ::   -9

SD Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
@EthiopianCrackBaby ::
That’s a shame … hopefully we won’t run out of comments now.

zipnar Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
@Jack,
Anybody else notice that the fake name left on that poorly-spun, spammy article was DelorisHSchilling?
I would laugh, but it hits a little to close to home.
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Wyrd Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
@SD,
“cancer”? wtf?
Do you know something we don’t know? (again?)
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Jack Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
@SD, Nobody-ever-ever would use cancer for selling things…
http://archive.aweber.com/les-brown-main/owPk/h/IMPORTANT_In_just_a_few.htm
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Random stuff Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:13 am
@Jack, dammit – someone removed the post / link on the AWeber site – do you have a screen shot of it?
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Norbit Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
“It’s your time to shine. It’s your time to be a star.”
Mike Koenigs has ALL the answers!
“The rules of the game have changed giving people like you and me MASSIVE LEVERAGE.
- Can I promote you and your product to an audience of 250,000?
- Can I feature you in a promotion?
- I want to make you famous.”
All it takes…is your credit card…and a whole lot of affiliate shilling.
http://authorexpertmarketingmachines.com
Coming soon to a victim near you!
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# 28 September 2012 at 4:06 pm

Mariah said:
I’m so glad you’re writing about this Jeff Walker joker (or brain poisoning manipulator, if you prefer). Somehow I got on his mailing list a couple of years ago, and I find him ridiculous. I just received an e-mail from him with the subject line “That was really hard”. I’m sure others have seen this drivel; he talks about a non-profit organization that he helped start with a bunch of other high-powered people. He wrote of how it’s work you couldn’t pay him to do, helping to set up this “Experts Industry Association” with his buddies.
I have been parts of grassroots organizations and part of professional associations. The Experts Industry Association appears to be neither. Members are listed not by their specialty, but by what they have accomplished and how much revenue they have generated. I can’t imagine a REAL professional association listing members that way. And Jeff Walker’s talking about how hard it was for him to participate? But he believes in the organization’s mission, he says. In my experience, people with true passion for something just do what needs to be done, they don’t whine about how “hard” it is.
And he goes on to say he’s “donating time and effort” to this organization. Um, involvement in a real professional association is part of being a professional. You don’t go around talking about how much time and effort you’re “donating”. Tacky!!
Anyway, thanks for letting me vent and thanks for calling these people on their BS.
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Wyrd Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 1:48 am
@Mariah,
You make several good points.
I think what’s happening here is that Jeff Walker the NPD/sociopathic type dude is trying to emulate compasson and he’s doing a very bad job at it b/c it’s an alien concept to him.
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Jack Reply:
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:39 pm
@Mariah, I’ve found out about that I can maybe make people Attract Joy like Angela Bussio if I get to be a member:
http://attractingjoyu.com/experts/ where I found many good experts such as
* Dr. Candace Pert who I found out is internationally recognized and also releasing a new cd package.
* Dr. George Pratt and does mind/body techniques and hypnosis and hypnosis and hypnosis and…
* Dr. Henry Grayson who does something with Thought Field Therapy which APA tells us about that it “lacks a scientific basis”.
* Dr. Greg Nicosia who I think also does stuff with engergy and thoughts and fields it seems like.
* Dr.Jerry Epstein who made a book about Healing Into Immortality so I’m interested in how to do that one.
* Mary Hammond, MS LPC who has some sort of Engergy idea with letters DEH instead of TFT, RSS, or other different letters people put together for energy-healing things.
* Chrysula Winegar – who according to her bio likes going about agitating for “the holy trinity of individual knowledge and responsibility, corporate culture and policy and careful base-line legislation.”
* Ethan Kap and Brett Kitchen – who tell us that for “the average American, the dream of becoming a millionaire is not out of reach.”
Maybe that last one is by sending people onto ms. Bussio and then over to PHILLIP GANNUSCIA, ECOMMERCE SUPPORT LLC, & KENNETH SONNENBERG
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# 29 September 2012 at 8:38 pm

DP said:
How’s this for awesome? This weekend I sold my copy of Frank & Trey’s “Infomillionaire” to Russell Brunson on eBay for $100. Think I paid something like $29 for it.
Guess that didn’t make me an info-millionaire like ol’ Frank and cuzin’ Trey, but better than having wasted $29.
Shipped direct to Russell’s name at a Utah address. Was kinda weird and a bit ironic — but with a bit of sweet revenge. ;-)
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SD Reply:
October 18th, 2012 at 12:50 am
@DP ::
You story doesn’t really make sense to me :: and … Russell Brunson is from Idaho.
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# 17 October 2012 at 11:37 pm

Info on Economics, Metaphysics, Health, Business, Law said:
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This, my friends, is why I’ve always said that a person should just completely avoid the whole “how to make money” niche. My philosophy is this: If the method/opportunity is as great as they say it is, they’d be doing it themselves instead of telling YOU and everyone else about it.
But let’s be for real, its damn near impossible to turn on your TV nowadays without SOMEONE peddling a “how to get rich in 24 hours or less” program. I check out some of those infomercials and I am stunned at how many people actually believe this stuff. If you’re anything like me, you’re gonna check a person’s track record before buying some educational product from them. Needless to say, I’ve done that with a lot of these guys, and I can never find a track record of success for any of them. What you usually find is criminal records, LOL. Other than that, you won’t any information about them BEFORE they came on the scene offering their frauduct. It’s crazy. People have got to be careful.
These “gurus” aren’t stupid though, they know how to tap into people’s emotional side. Mainly, the emotion of greed that wants to earn bundles of cash without doing hardly any work.
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Lanna Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
@Info on Economics, Metaphysics, Health, Business, Law,
Can you tell me why you are bashing wealth gurus here but you are selling a “special” edition of Napoleon Hill’s “Think and Grow Rich” that is different from the 1937 version that’s in the public domain?
http://youngandopulent.com/the-law-of-success-1925-edition/
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Info on Economics, Metaphysics, Health, Business, Law Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 7:52 am
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@Lanna, First off “Think And Grow Rich” is what Napoleon Hill wrote in 1937, NOT The Law of Success. Secondly, the version of The Law of Success I’m selling is one that was never available to the public. If your dumb ass would have read what I wrote, you would have saw that before trying to confront me with misinformation.
Get your information right before you try to attack me.
LOSER!! ::   -8
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Wyrd Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 11:23 am
@Info on Economics, Metaphysics, Health, Business, Law,
You come here selling stuff with a back-link to your site?
Your site’s little tag line reads “Pragmatic Discussions Of Finance, Economics, Business, Metaphysics, Jurisprudence (Law)”
Yet, at the time of this writing, it is as @Random Stuff says–your jurisprudence section is empty, it just reads “Sorry, no posts matched your criteria.”
So you come here, of all the places on the net, and start trying to sell stuff with a half-baked web page, and then handle the first criticism oh-so-maturely by calling the criticizer a “dumb ass”? Mr. youngandopulent.com… I don’t think that’s a very wise move. It looks to me like you’re positioning yourself as a 28 yo expert on “not just in entrepreneurship, but everything i.e. finance, economics, health, jurisprudence”. Wow. Did you miss anything there? Gee, I guess now I can fire my CPA, my doctor, and my lawyer. Except–wait–if you’re an expert how come you forgot to put any posts in the Jurisprudence section before blabbing about how much you know about it? And–if you’re an expert, why would you come here, to the site that is the Ultimate Anathema to the Make Money Online meme and try to make waves?
I think you’re doing a dis-service to the neutral pragmatists of the world by besmirching their non-evil reputation.
To you success.
–
Furry cows moo and decompress.
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Wyrd Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
On reflection, I think “Anathema” wasn’t really the right word here. What I really meant was antithesis. Yeah that was it.
You can’t make money online.
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Lanna Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 5:16 pm
@Info on Economics, Metaphysics, Health, Business, Law,
Sorry, that was written in a noisy Starbucks, and I was giving more attention to my pumpkin spice latte than to book titles. So, why are you bashing wealth gurus here but selling Napoleon Hill’s “The Law of Success?”
Obviously I see some hypocrisy there, or I wouldn’t ask, but I don’t mean to confront you. If you see some differentiation between Hill and Mike Koenigs or Russell Brunson or Anthony Morrison or Senen Pousa and Mike Dillard, I’d like to hear that argument. There’s definitely room here for differing opinions, as evidenced by the Mike Young quotes in Salty’s latest Blogworld post.
And there’s lots of room for hypocrisy in the human race:

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Wyrd Reply:
January 10th, 2013 at 10:21 am
@Lanna,
Re Peep Show / Crystal Skull — that looks like a good series.
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Info on Economics, Metaphysics, Health, Business, Law Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 7:54 am
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@Lanna, First off “Think And Grow Rich” is what Napoleon Hill wrote in 1937, NOT The Law of Success. Secondly, the version of The Law of Success I’m selling is one that was never available to the public. If your dumb ass would have read what I wrote, you would have saw that along with other pertinent info explaining the situation before trying to confront me with misinformation.
Get your information right before you try to attack me. You can go play that hero shit with someone else who’s not equipped to deal with dumb asses such as yourself, but trying to attack me with flawed logic will get you buried.
LOSER!! ::   -7
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Random stuff Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 8:31 am
@Info on Economics, Metaphysics, Health, Business, Law, you are also selling the Master Key System, which is also in the public domain, and is amongst the material that is chewed up and then regurgitated into MLM Frauduct by IM Gurus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_Key_System
But your sales link goes straight to Paypal, and does not ask for a delivery address…
Your Jurisprudence section is empty.
It all makes sense to me.
Sadly, if you wanted to be featured in the main pages of this blog, you missed the boat…
http://saltydroid.info/goodbye-saltydroid-hello-boring/
But I am sure your cause is not lost.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
@Info on Economics, Metaphysics, Health, Business, Law, You and I have had some friendly exchanges and after reading your critical remarks about Trudeau’s Global Information Network, I actually encouraged you to start blogging again. But @Lanna and @Wyrd and @Random Stuff are the good guys/gals who are working to fight scams and scammers, without an agenda to sell their own products or services. They’ve been on this blog a long time, as I have. I’ve read many of their comments and have exchanged comments with them on other forums, so I consider them to be friends and allies.
Yes, Lanna got the title of the Hill book that you are promoting incorrect. But that’s no reason to come out swinging. You could have simply corrected her. Calling her a “dumb ass” is a huge mistake, to say the least. I can assure you that Lanna is anything but dumb.
In theory, I generally don’t have a problem with people re-packaging and selling books that are in the public domain, particularly if they do a nice professional job of packaging and actually offer something else of value in the package — without sucking the buyer into a huge sales funnel. But there’s the rub. In all too many cases, these e-books are “gateway drugs” to hugely expensive frauducts and flopportunities.
I’m not saying that is the case with you, Info etc. But many of the regulars here are all too keenly aware of, and perhaps sometimes hypersensitive to, the tactics of hustledorks and hucksters, so it’s understandable that your own motives would be questioned.
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SD Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 1:29 pm
@Info on Economics, Metaphysics, Health, Business, Law ::
@Lanna’s question was :: why are you talking shit about gurus on this site while simultaneously hawking the turds of gurus on your site? You know Napoleon Hill died poor?
You didn’t answer her question … but you prolly better because it’s an important question.
Were you part of GIN? What kind of “track record” did Kevin Trudeau display before GIN?
I can tell you from lots of experience :: the kind of people who talk shit about victims being stupid and greedy … are usually the stupid and greedy ones.
Are you stupid and greedy Dashaun? Or are you just being an asshole?
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# 30 October 2012 at 2:05 pm

CitizenNoir said:
A Merry Christmas to you all… ( no not you hustledorks what the Mayans couldn’t do this site and other will do in the new year… finish you off)
been about a year and a bit since I was on this site and good to know Salty and Connie and the rest of the Good guys are still sticking it to these assholes er sorry “most respected and spiritual enlightened ones from the planet Bo-wel”
Just a quick update
TV Journalism
1, My TV gave up on me and i did not bother replacing it – result in one week I weaned myself off the propaganda and realised that 85 % of the news is either gossip; news that does not affect me personally or news that while sad I can do jack diddly about.
2, In the next two weeks I learned that art of reading again and found some really good journalists and reporters who through the medium of yputube and other media platforms give me all the view points that I require to exist without being a total ignoramus.
3, And in the end all the news that you need to do things you need to can be found by a little bit of “hard work” – damn it that phrase is like kryptonite to those hustledorks…
so why the “hey look what I have been doing”
well last July 15th 2011 I posted on this site for the very first time cause i was majorly pissed of how I had been caught up and shredded by these assholes
at that time I warned that I am writing a mockumentary on the new age movement and well the time to shoot is coming very soon… the script is ready to go… i need to extract myself from my day job and then spend a nice 6 weeks crisscrossing the good ole US pretending to be a new ager making a serious documentary on what good work they are all doing…. and then through the power of editing … well just let me say….
I AM GOING VON CLAUSEWITZ ON ALL THEIR ASSES… TOTAL FUCKING WAR ON ALL SUCKCESS FRAUDSTERS… YOU HEAR ME YOU SCUM… I AM COMING FOR YOU AND NO AMOUNTS OF CONCENTRATED HAPPY CLAPPY POWER OF INTENTION IS GOING TO HELP YOU… I AM GOING TO GO MEDIEVAL ON YOUR ASS…
and for those who want some serious investigative journalism i will cut another version that exposes these guys… that will take longer as I need to hire researchers and fact check everything with some good lawyers…
but hey fuck it Revenge is a Dish Best Served Cold esp on Christmas Day
merry xmas
CN
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