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Bonnie said:
Salty, I have only one thing to say to you — the world is a much better place with you in it! Bless you for all you do, as I think we all know it’s not easy and doesn’t pay well!
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Kann Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
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@Bonnie,
Criticizing and attacking people are the easiest things in the world to do.
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SD Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@Kann ::
… as you uselessly prove about every two weeks.
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Ty Reply:
September 20th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
@Bonnie, I wish I would have found this site several f-ing thousand dollars ago. I can’t believe this shit stain calls himself a business man.
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# 15 August 2011 at 8:03 pm

Anonymous said:
I’ve been scammed so many times. Thank you for sharing this. I don’t want to be scammed any more.
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# 15 August 2011 at 8:22 pm

Anonymous said:
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Please comment on Ramit Sethi’s course Earn 1K.
Thank you.
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Stoic Reply:
August 16th, 2011 at 7:09 am
@……..,
You are aware of this course, why don’t you comment on it?
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SD Reply:
August 16th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
@Anonymous ::
Okay :: my comments to follow …
I’ve never heard of it :: but it sounds like a fucking scam.
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Juice Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
@SD, Gold!
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# 15 August 2011 at 8:23 pm

Anonymous said:
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Please comment on Brendon Burchard’s course Total Product Blueprint?
LOSER!! ::   -18
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SD Reply:
August 16th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
@Anonymous ::
You think I comment on demand like a comment monkey?
maybe you’re right …
Brendon is a scammer.
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Wide eyed Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
@,anonymous
Well I actually watched the whole Brendon Burchard expert blueprint… So this might help clear your mind. Here’s the problem. He hastly packs tons of stuff in one program which makes the whole experience useless… You always end up wanting to buy more programs he offers
It’s a bit like junk food. No matter how much you eat, You end up never feeling full.
For example in the program I watched he talks about being an author, a coach, a speaker and seminar leader.
The author part is terrible. Burchard talks about how you have to read a bestselling book per month to learn from the best: what a profound insight! Then he shares his book proposal (which is interesting) but that turns out to be completely inapplicable for any average Joe with no connections.
IMO,
I think that Burchard is super smart but what he talks about isn’t applicable for the rest of us. And that’s the big problem.
Gurus claim “what they do you can do too” – but it’s misleading. In the case of Burchard he presents himself as an average Joe but he’s anything but. He was a super achiever in school, he worked for years as a consultant for the top consulting firm Accenture.
Imagine tomorrow , Kobe Brian putting out a weekend seminar promising that after the experience you could become an NBA player. It makes no sense. Well, that’s the dream internet marketing gurus are selling … Very Misleading.
The reality is that you can become an author, speaker etc. Sure. But like anything else in life you’ll have to sacrifice years of study and hard work with no guarantee of success.
There’s no magic formula or blueprint. Just hard work, intelligence, creativity and dedication. All these come from you.
Btw: want to study writing? Enroll in a community college and take a class on the subject. Want to be a speaker? Check toastmasters… These are much better approaches.
Peace
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SD Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 1:32 am
@Wide eyed ::
I agree with most of that except where you say he’s smart. I’ve never heard him say a single smart thing … and I’ve heard him say dozens of completely stupid and ignorant things.
Working at Accenture is his big impressive resume blurb? “Consultant” isn’t even a real job … it’s what you do for a couple a years after your Daddy is done paying for college while you “find yourself”.
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# 15 August 2011 at 8:29 pm

Cheetah said:
What a load of utter bullshit! Those guys need examining ….. everywhere!
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# 15 August 2011 at 9:06 pm

Barbara said:
Who does Andy Jenkins think he is???
I’ll tell you who you are, Andy. You’re a shit stain on the world’s underpants. You’re a glob of santorum, yeah…that’s right, google it motherfucker.
The Salty Droid doesn’t think you’re evil because you charge a lot of money for nothing, he thinks you’re evil because you destroy people’s lives! Why the fuck do you think you should get rich on the misery of other people?
Where will you be Andy when the Debbies of the world can’t pay their rent because you’ve bilked them out of all of their savings? And who are you calling a pimple on your fat ass?
The Droid will destroy you motherfucker! And I’m going to be cheering him on.
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Bonnie Reply:
August 15th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
@Barbara,
Where will he be? The same place as James Arthur Ray — not caring, and not giving a sh!t. Because greedy narcissistic psychopaths and sociopaths don’t have consciences. They don’t care what happens to anyone else, as long as they get what they want. And what they want is MORE!
How do their wives and girlfriends live with them? How do their parents, and siblings, and friends? How do they all sleep at night?
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Barbara Reply:
August 16th, 2011 at 5:58 am
@Bonnie,
I want Andy Jenkins to be in a cell. Maybe next to Death Ray.
At the end of that call when he was giggling about bringing mushrooms to Vegas he completely revealed the loathsome slime he is, yeah, he wants to be taking ‘shrooms and maybe playing a little blackjack with the Debbies of the world’s money…real funny, dickhead.
They were two of the most repulsive men on the planet.
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# 15 August 2011 at 9:10 pm

Doctor Mario said:


“Shit Storms release the enormous pressures that accumulate in the large gaps between perception and reality. They tend to draw a crowd :: and lots of cheers & cackles :: because hypocrites getting theirs is irresistibly good … and sadly rare.”
Deep.
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SD Reply:
August 16th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
@Doctor Mario ::
… that’s what she said.
BOOM!!
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# 15 August 2011 at 11:14 pm

what?? said:
I was afraid you were gonna say that. Debbie’s audio was really hard to listen to and resulted in much sleep loss.
But I’m glad you have more. Because this shit needs to stop.
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# 15 August 2011 at 11:33 pm

Mark said:
Hadn’t made it to the end of that audio the first time around, but listening to it now is sickening.
“We can get you to the first monetary goal without having one”
The “one” being a computer!
For fucks sake….
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Mark Reply:
August 16th, 2011 at 2:44 am
@Mark, The first monetary goal being $25,000…
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VoiceofReason Reply:
September 7th, 2011 at 12:43 am
@Mark,
Yeah, she doesn’t even have a computer, and this Chris doesn’t miss a beat!
She’s got a snowball in hell’s chance…
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# 16 August 2011 at 2:44 am

Cosmic Connie said:
Go, little Robot. http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/2011/08/land-of-bilk-and-money.html
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SD Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 3:05 am
@Cosmic Connie ::
Bilk and Money … oh god … good one!
Maybe Joe or Pat could pop in and tell us how partnering with Utah helped them to manifest them monies. I hope everything went okay … I know it makes me really sad when scammers get scammed by even bigger scammers.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 8:03 am
@SD, I’m not sure if Pat is partnering with Utah but I know Joe is with his Miracles Coaching, which he publicizes and links to at least a couple of times during every blog post.
Meanwhile, in his August 14 blog post he is once again flogging his 7-step formula for attracting wealth online via Clickbook.
“Call it the Law of Attraction or Hypnotic Marketing, but the #1 easiest way to attract money online is by selling an information product — either yours or another’s — through the online service called Clickbank.”
He continues:
“I just completed my long-awaited secret online wealth generating system — my own proven formula that is guaranteed to work for anyone who uses it – even if you’re so new you don’t even have a product yet or know where your computer’s on/off switch is at.
“This is the exact 7-step system I have been using for decades to be one of the most powerful and successful forces on the Internet.
“This system is the first one to combine both sides of success — the inner and the outer — or the spiritual and the material — or mindset and marketing — or love and leverage.”
Remember: love is the key. Everything he does is with love. He says he got a standing ovation when he talked about the new product at Pat’s latest UnSeminar. Lots of love in that room, anyway.
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SD Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@Cosmic Connie ::
Oh I didn’t know that Joe and Pat were two separate people :: I thought they were just one big blob of still fat bastard …
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Unicorn Army Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 8:49 am
@Cosmic Connie, that post you linked to by “Jonathan” is soooo depressing. (http://inthelimelight.net/2011/05/07/miracles-coaching-joe-vitale-responds/)
Here’s a guy who’s been hustled by the boiler room, knows that the same is still going on, but still, in spite of these facts, thinks Joe Vitale is a super guy and still, in spite of those facts, recommends that people purchase the lead products which feed the boiler room.
Name any of Salty’s “friends,” and there are more people like Jonathan who still love them, even after they’ve seen how the sausage gets made. Even after they’ve seen that the sausage is made out of people.
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SD Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
@Unicorn Army ::
Good point … but “they’ve seen how the sausage gets made” isn’t exactly the case.
I’m way down in this rabbit hole … and I’m still finding myself daily shocked.
If he actually knew … like for realz … how it works … how totally fucking intentional the harm is … how cynical the bastards … then this would all be over … because the truth is repulsive … and hidden.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
@SD, @Unicorn Army: All is not lost. I have a strong feeling that the blogger who wrote those posts about Miracles Coaching is not as gullible as he might seem, and IMO some of the statements in those blog posts do not accurately reflect his own growing cynicism. Maybe at some point he will join us on the barricades, or at least on the porch, where the lemonade is always cold and the the gossip is always hot.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
@Cosmic Connie, Make that “the gossip,” not “the the gossip.” Jeez, my brain is not working well at all today.
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Jonathan Reply:
February 28th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
@Unicorn Army,
All these months later and I finally get a notification from WordPress that this post has linked to my blog, so I have a chance to respond.
I understand that you think I am being to easy on Joe. With that being the case, I think you need to keep a couple of things in mind.
My blog is not The Salty Droid, and it’s not Cosmic Connie’s Whirled Musings or any other blog dedicated to exposing these people. These are both fantastic blogs and I have deveoped a great deal of respect for their authors. My blog, however is meant to have a different tone, and though I am a cynic by nature, I try my very best to keep that out of my writing. I fail miserably quite frequently, and incidently I am now planning to competely reboot my entire blog because over the years far to much cynycism and off topic articles have crept in. They are good articles, but they are not what I intended my blog to be.
Now back to being not hard enough on Joe. Here’s the issue.
Joe does what he does. He’s a marketer, and he doesn’t hide that fact. In fact he’s immensely proud of it, and makes it very obvious at every opportunity. He’s the snake oil salesmen of the old west, and I imagine if he were alive in those days he’d likley have ended up hanging from a tree at the hand of an angry mob.
Now for the coontraversial part that’s going to make you hate me and think I’m stupid or duped, or whatever you want to call it.
That angry mob would be in the wrong. No question about it, Joe’s ethics leave a lot to be desired (though I honestly believe that joe *thinks* he is actually a good person, and see himself as such, he is a consumer of his own bullshit, after all), but anyone that get’s swindled by Joe has to on some level want to be swindled by Joe.
Because if you don’t smell a rat half way through the first phone call from the Miracles Coaching folks, or at the very latest by the second phone call, you’re just a fool. You want to be lied to because you like the lie better than the truth. It’s the same reason millions of people drag their asses out of bed on Sunday morning to go to church. They like the lie. Nevermind that the Bible is so full of plot holes it makes your average J.J. Abrahms production look airtight by comparison, people like that lie. That lie makes them feel better than the non lie alternative.
So I find it hard to be truly sympathetic to followers of Joe Vitale or any of these other self proclaimed gurus who are going to give them all the answers for the low low price of only $9700 plus shipping. Nor do I find much sympathy for smokers who sue tobacco oompanies after they get cancer. I think tobacco companies are evil, but they aren’t forcing anyone to be a retard.
I do feel sorry for them however.
With that out of they way, I wrote those articles on Joe Vitale quite a long time ago, in a different time and before I had learned much of anything at all about the so called selfish help industry. I was simply writing from my own experience, which is all I ever do. If I was the write them again today, I’d likley be a lot less diplomatic.
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Uncle Ralph Reply:
February 28th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
@Jonathan, Just so everyone here is aware – following your original post linked above, you did another post where you revised your take on Vitale’s “Miracles Coaching.”
That, and the comments below the post, are more in sync with what’s been noted here.
http://inthelimelight.net/2010/07/01/joe-vitales-miracles-coaching-hypnotic-marketing-at-work/
Regarding Joe being a marketer – most here have no problem with ‘marketing’ per se – however, many of us do have a problem with deliberate, calculated shysters.
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SD Reply:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:02 am
@Jonathan ::
Because if you don’t smell a rat half way through the first phone call from the Miracles Coaching folks, or at the very latest by the second phone call, you’re just a fool.
Or maybe you’re afraid … or maybe you’re very alone … or maybe you’re very depressed … or maybe you just found out a loved one has an incurable disease and it’s dawned on you in a sudden rush that you don’t control the universe and suddenly everything feels like chaos … or maybe your mom just died … or maybe you just had a stroke … or maybe … do you get the fucking idea or should I continue?
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:44 am
To be fair to @Jonathan, I confess that I too have had my moments where I have had borderline contempt for some (though certainly not all) of the followers of the scammers. I’ve often wondered how on earth they could believe some of the crap that their favorite hucksters are peddling.
For the most part, though, the followers who annoy me are the ones who are the most vociferous and passionate defenders of the scammers — particularly the anonymous trolls who hang around the critics’ blogs. Some of these folks are no doubt benefiting financially from being fans or followers of those they defend, but some are merely sycophants of the hustledorks and seem to be seeking nothing more than approval or brownie points from their idols.
Still, in general I sometimes find myself wondering how people can be so gullible. But then I remember that I have the advantage of years of honestly earned cynicism about the selfish-help industry. And I remind myself that I used to believe some of the very junk that I now criticize. We’re all gullible in some way, and we all have vulnerabilities.
And I must say that @SD has opened my eyes more to the truly vulnerable whom the hustledorks and con artists cynically target. So although it may be true, as Jonathan speculates, that some of the hucksters believe some of their own b.s., I don’t think most of their motives are benign.
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Lanna Reply:
February 29th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
I just remind myself that no one’s buying the $9,997 thing out of the blue. They got hooked by a tweet or a free e-book chapter or a $10 seminar and then slowly reeled in, one price point at a time. If you liked the tweets, you’ll love the free weekly emails (full of relentless pitches for frauducts). If you liked the free e-book chapter, you’ll love the whole e-book – just $37.77. If you liked the $10 seminar, you’ll love the $377 two-day workshop. Then Chris calls to see how you’re doin’ with the e-book, which he knows damn well you haven’t gotten yet because e-books take 6 to 8 weeks to package and ship, and before he convinces you to put the $9,997 thing on your credit card (or your mom’s credit card), he butters you up with fake compliments about how they want you to be a success story.
I hesitate to use any terms like sales funnel or upselling, because it’s less like selling and more like a pedophile grooming a child for abuse (according the TV, at least).
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SD Reply:
February 29th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
@Cosmic Connie ::
That line about hucksters “believing their own bullshit” is only true with the caveat that they believe in a very different bullshit than the bullshit they’re serving to the sheeple.
The huckster makes himself believe things like … if I’m doing it it’s right … or … I am a kind of god … or … I am god. They don’t believe the actual crap they’re preaching any more than Jim Jones believed in the deity of Jesus Christ.

Jonathan Reply:
February 29th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
Thanks for stepping in there, Connie.
I would hate for anyone to have the impression that I think the hucksters have benign motives, clearly they don’t. They are out to make money. Just like Mr. Lube was out to make money when they tried to sell me a useless engine flush and $300 worth of other “urgently needed” maintenence when I went in for a friggin oil change today.
But do I believe that they believe their own bullshit? Well I don’t know. I don’t follow the activities of any of them save for Vitale, but yes, I do think he believes his own bullshit. I do think he sees himself as a good person. Is that a fucked up view? Well everything is relative, I guess.
@SD
“That line about hucksters “believing their own bullshit” is only true with the caveat that they believe in a very different bullshit than the bullshit they’re serving to the sheeple.”
How can you criticise me for not being particularly sympathetic the people who swallow this BS, and then turn around and use a term like “sheeple” for them?
Joe Vitale sells to people by appealing to their greed. He’s sells to people who want to be just like him. Why should I have sympathy for people like that? I can pity them, but sympathy is harder to muster up.
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SD Reply:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:52 am
@Jonathan ::
Sheeple is a meme on this site …
http://saltydroid.info/category/sheeple/
… and it’s a term that {as used by me} applies to all humanity. It’s about how true individuality is a rare rare gift … humans are a pack conformity animal … just like sheep … who are fucking adorable and useful and in no way bad just because they instinctively do as others do.
“Joe Vitale sells to people by appealing to their greed.”
And you are basing that gross generalization on what exactly?
Joe Vitale is greedy … everything he does is based on greed. That’s clear … we can see that … and talk about that … and substantiate that based on presentable facts. Is the same thing true of your generalizations about a mass of unseen people you know nothing about?
“Why should I have sympathy for people like that?”
Don’t have sympathy for them if you don’t … that’s your business. But I do have sympathy for them :: which is my business … so don’t come here where I’m trying to protect and rebuild them and say mean shit … or I’ll say mean shit back. Them’s the rules.

Sam the Shrubbist Reply:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:38 am
@Jonathan, SD didn’t use “sheeple” out of condescension, but to underscore the coldness inherent in how hustlers view those they hustle.
What you overlook here is that while Joe Vitale may appeal to the greed of some, at the same time, there are others whose circumstances may put them into Vitale’s orbit at a highly vulnerable point in their lives. A point at which they don’t have clarity, but may be acting out of grief, fear, mental illness, or any other less than fully comprehending state of mind. SD’s examples were not a stretch; spend some time elsewhere on this blog and your eyes may open to it.
Your focusing on a subset of “greed motivated” followers provides a form of “air cover” for the wider activities of people like Vitale, thus helping sweep truly genuine victims under the rug with the lot.
The point you ultimately miss is that for people like Vitale, there is no distinction between those who can “take the hit” to support his monetary aspirations, and those whose lives can end up in a spiral from doing so under duress. They are all a crop for harvest.
Furthermore, the sales pitches themselves are crafted to include just such people, and to shake them where it most hurts. That is cold calculation.
It takes a conscious, less than well intentioned decision to aggressively target human weakness without any regard to individual condition, and even more deplorably so to go beyond that and capitalize on those in the worst of condition.
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I wantz 2B rich Reply:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
@SD,
Thanks so much, Mr. Droid. Part of the issue for at least some of the depressed, vulnerable, beat-to-shit people is that they/we believe that people are basically good, despite getting kicked in the ass. Another piece of this is that despite this, we pick ourselves up and get back in the game. A resilient and resourceful bunch are we. Desperate? Miserable? At times, perhaps. In these weak moments, that’s when the pickins ah good, my friend.
Me? On my better days, I do conduct and grow my legitimate online biz. I sell real goods, not ideas. I still browse, I’m a lot more selective about what I listen to now, and I find it’s a lot easier and quicker to unsubscribe since I encountered your blog. It has recalibrated my bullshit indicator.
What I do now is take what’s free and whatever I can use legitimately in my biz. I am very selective in how much I listen to – it’s polluting when it isn’t seductive.
And for the peeps who can’t understand this, oh well. Doesn’t make me less of a person, and I don’t need anyone’s approval unless they decide to start paying my property taxes, car repairs, and much more – then I’ll be mo’ than happy to consider licking your toes, provided your feets is clean!
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it could happen to anyone Reply:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm
@Jonathan,
I’d like to echo what others are saying; there may be a subset of people who are greedy, but others are desperate.
A few years ago, I might have been agreeing with you. But I had an experience which made me see how chillingly easy it is to get to a place where I’d want to believe enough that it’d overcome my scam radar.
And that’s nothing to do with lack of intelligence; as a physician, I’m highly educated. But I had a protracted period of ill health, where both diagnosis and symptom control eluded my doctors. And with a nice house and concomitantly large (but entirely manageable when I was working) mortgage. I hadn’t updated my income protection from my starting salary (I’d actually put things in motion to correct this before I became unwell), and when I stopped getting paid, my income protection just covered the mortgage. As our savings dwindled, things were pretty desperate. I eventually got my symptoms under a degree of control, and persuaded work to let me try to return.
Fortunately things worked out well, but if they hadn’t I’d have been in prime position to be scammed. And, while the “hard sell” wouldn’t have worked, if someone had called and built rapport before selling, I can see how I’d have been sucked in. Hell, the reason I’m reading this site is because I’d been sucked in to the “Third Tribe” ethos; even though things were getting better, I’d been exploring alternatives in case symptoms had recurred.
I believe, with exactly the wrong set of circumstances, anyone could be a victim of these fans. Hence my posting name.
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Anonymous Reply:
March 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
@I wantz 2B rich and everyone else:
All I have left to say is this: why attack someone who is for all intents and purposes on your side?
Just because I take a more nuanced view, is that any reason to start with name calling? SD, I recognize that this is your blog, and you can do as you wish, but honestly, we agree more than we disagree.
I do not excuse the behaviour of Joe Vitale in regards to his Miracles Coaching. The sales pitch disgusts me, and the entire operation just reeks in general. I am more than on your side in this regard, and if anyone was to take the time, they would have discovered that I had lot more to say about the topic than just was was written in the article referenced above. Not only that, but I said what I wanted to say using my real name, on the record, for all to see. I am proud that that one little blog post has directly helped many people avoid Joe’s scam. I have even had people call me on the phone and I have advised them personally to avoid Miracle’s Coaching. So I have a bit of a problem with you getting in my face and accusing me of saying “mean things”.
It’s true, I believe in personal responsability. One single Google search will likely tell you everything you need to know about Miracles Coaching and why it should be avoided. And even faced with that information a lot of people will still buy into it. And it is at that point that my sympathy fails me. A lot of people will vote for Mitt Romney in the US election this fall, and I’d say there’s a chance he could be elected, although so far it looks unlikely. But let’s say he does get ellected and continues where George Bush left off in the fuckupery of America. Mitt Romney is a lot like Joe Vitale, if you ask me. A wolf in sheeps clothing, except the clothing doesn’t fit very well so anyone looking should be able to spot that he’s a wolf. So will I feel sorry for Romney voter then because they got duped? Nope.
Yeah, selling people crap through lies and bullshit is wrong. But I tell yeah, MOST of the people buying it are buying it because they want to.
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I wantz 2B rich Reply:
March 1st, 2012 at 10:51 pm
@Anonymous,
Hey, I’ll be the first to admit that no one forced me to purchase anything. The pitches are designed to seduce you and part you from your money. I was referring to Rob-’ems, with the addition of his partners in slime, Kern and Koenigs. Their presentations are premeditated.
I only recently listened to Joe Vitale before reading about him here. It was eye-opening. While it was very clear to me that he’s a fraud, we’re all blessed with different gifts, we have different levels of sophistication and education, and varying degrees of trust.
I can see how Vitale could easily take advantage of a guileless, possibly not well-educated, trusting individual. I don’t know if the stats are still true, but there was a time when the Enquirer was the most widely read periodical in the US. I see that as sad, and I also understand that not everyone was fortunate enough to be brought up in a household with books. There are severely stark contrasts in this country.
Vitale is associated with people I trusted. Listening to him helped me to view something I was involved in more critically, and it was nothing short of a red flag for me. Reading about him here was jaw-dropping.
I don’t know who you are. I’m assuming you have a pejorative view of individuals who are susceptible to IM predators. Not everyone is knowledgeable regarding the tactics, the grossly inflated, fraudulent income claims, and the degree of forethought and intent that goes into the presentations that are designed to bleed dry those who are naive, desperate, vulnerable, have profound health issues, and/or are very broke.
There’s no shame in wanting a better life for yourself, particularly if you are in dire financial straits. Many of these pitches are elaborately and exquisitely planned. I have to believe that if these con artists invested the same amount of energy into a legitimate enterprise, they would enjoy great success.
I don’t know what your life is like. I don’t know how you were brought up, what events have impacted you in a less than positive manner, or if there are circumstances that have effected your resiliency and/or your ability to filter out the bullshit.
Not everyone has the capacity to deal well with a less than charmed life. And that doesn’t mean that individuals who could be characterized in that way have shirked responsibility for engaging in what turns out to be a poor choice.
I’m glad we can agree that conning people just ain’t right. And that the FTC doesn’t intervene, even when given notice, just ain’t right, either.
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Jack Reply:
March 1st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
@Anonymous (Jonathan?),
Please do the reading this time – you get a prize at the end.
I remember the man I call Dad taking “personality responsability” when he went about onto the internet to find out about The Online Business with big ol’ BBB Accreditation-LOGO that clicked-on-into their A-and-also-FuCKING-PLUS rating even though secondary charges and refund policy were HIDDEN – and is promoted heavily by scammy fake news sites – and also used to like to go about talking about it’s endorsers without disclosing about them being paid endorsers which can be seen at
Guess who ESPECIALLY likes to see a big BBB logo because they were taught it’s good to look about the BBB AS great news for a Business?
OLD PEOPLE
Guess who ESPECIALLY trusts the FTC who has decided to go belive that the BBB is beautiful in it’s self-regulation.
OLD PEOPLE.
Guess who also might just ESPECIALLY trust a BBB logo even if fake?
People who never think about the idea of going to make fake trust seals…and also…
OLD PEOPLE
Guess who might not think to check the BBB because they see one of America’s most “beloved” chicken-soup authors interviewing and endorsing the man-scammer who will give them the big help for only “$19.95″ (you can read the good and whole transcript of the interview-mercial at the link right there before this. Guess who?
OLD PEOPLE.
GUESS who believes “News stations” interviewing scam-experts as “business experts”.
OLD PEOPLE.
Guess who doesn’t think about searching complaints about the internet?
SEVENTY EIGHT YEAR OLD PEOPLE – even SMART SEVENTY EIGHT YEAR OLD PEOPLE.
They like the good folks at the BBB that like to give the As over to companies such as:
Prosper At The BBB
Professional Marketing International
And make some baffling grading-ideas as seen at Side By Side BBB rating comparisons
OLD PEOPLE is just for sake of most obvious example…but in truth SD may be FOR the vulernable but it’s really ABOUT ….the scammers and
maybe even more so the people FACILITATING the scamming of the scammers…the people who should be EXPOSING the scammers that instead FACILITATE their scams by propping
up their credibility.
If you are thinking this blog is about people “taking responsibility” you have not read this blog. If you think it’s about the sick and broken machine
that facilitates the rise and positioning of the scammers as respectable members of the community, maybe…just maybe you read more than your
own brain-damaged ramblings.
In fact, YOUR side is the most DANGEROUS side – the one thatw ants to sound reasonable but distracts people completely away from the big picture altogether.
Oh to be young again when I could solve all the worlds woes by laughing at OLD PEOPLE for their own stupidity. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Btw, the proof of ALL the above can be found on a blog called THE SALTY DROID. There are some good videos and the links splatterplotted about the site for information about learning all about how to read.
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Jack Reply:
March 1st, 2012 at 11:41 pm
@Anonymous/(Jonathon)?,
missing link from above:
talking about it’s endorsers without disclosing about them being paid endorsers which can be seen at:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080413070925/http://www.radio.theonlinebusiness.com/goland45/z-newblox-May22.06-45
(and my memory is suggesting to me that the compensation disclosure wasn’t disclosed on the radio at that time either).
Then miraculously after reminding people/companies that they have to disclose financial relationships (which they always had to do), then we get this:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090228175757/http://radio.theonlinebusiness.com/goland45/z-newblox-May22.06-45
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Jack Reply:
March 1st, 2012 at 11:45 pm
@Anonymous/(Jonathan?), Funniest part of your comments:
“Just because I take a more nuanced view”
It’s so baffling to think that you believe that without even understanding what’s going on that it makes me want to go thank the many people facilitating the sick machine for doing the good and real nuancing that you can’t find in your head when you read things.
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Lanna Reply:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:52 am
@I wantz 2B rich,
The other day, the LA Times reported on a UC Berkeley study that found “[p]eople of higher status are more prone to cheating, taking candy from children and failing to wait their turn at four-way stops.” The article says money makes people “less dependent on social bonds for survival.” It makes me wonder if people with less money are so used to depending on social bonds that they’re less likely to suspect others of cheating, too.
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Joe Reply:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 am
@Jonathan: Maybe this woman could have googled the scammer she is talking to in the recording here, assuming she owned a computer and knew how to use it. Have a listen:
http://saltydroid.info/scamming-two-debbies/
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jacqui Reply:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:49 am
@I wantz 2B rich,
Great comment! I think most people…desperate or not…also believe that there are laws in place to protect them from being scammed. Laws that prohibit ‘businesses’ from lying, cheating, and ripping off consumers. And that those laws are being enforced, so why would any ‘business’ risk engaging in these activities?
I had no idea how many people were being taken advantage of and destroyed financially (and emotionally) until I found this blog. Or how little is being done about it.
It all makes me sad. And angry…especially when people blame the victims instead of the predators.
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Jonathan Reply:
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:46 am
@everyone
Wow. Attacks on reading comprehension. Never seen that one before on the interwebs.
Let me spell it out for you.
I think what Joe Vitale does is wrong. I don’t know what the others do because I don’t follow their activities. I don’t have time to start following their activities, I don’t want to start following their activities. That’s not my bag, baby, and anyway y’all are doing quite a fine job of it already.
In case that wasn’t clear, anything I have written here, or on my own website, is purely in reference to Joe Vitale, and furthermore only in regards to my own personal experience.
I do have to mention that I take issue with this statement:
“much/most of “Internet Marketing” is in fact just lead generation for old fashioned phone room scamming. If you really want to succeed in “Internet Marketing” then you should listen close :: because this is what’s required …”
I mean come on, this is a totally unfair statement. As with most generalizatoins, it’s well, stupid. I suppose by saying that I’ll face a new round of criticism, but seriously. Business in general is about lead generation, if you don’t have leads, you don’t have a business. Collecting leads whether online or offline is hardly criminal behaviour. It’s what you do with them that counts, and certainly MOST internet marketers do not funnel their leads into a phone room scam. Saying so is disingenous.
And again, just to be clear, me saying that does not mean I am somehow supporting or defedning the scammers, but I am sure someone around here will twist my words and imply exactly that.
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Jonathan Reply:
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:00 am
Having listened the audio above (I really didn’t want to, not because I don’t care, but because my life is too short) I need to apologize. That con man was far more sophisticated than the one who spoke to me on behalf of Joe Vitale. I do feel bad for Debbie. I really do, she fought her heart out and he ran all over her.
And you know what? I got up by a need to go on the defensive after my original words were misconstrued, and defended things I didn’t really intend to defend in the first place.
So here it is. I agree. I can see how they wear people down and how naieve and trusting people can be taken advantage of even in the face of a transparent scam.
I was obviously blinded before by the fact that I am not exactly a trusting type, in fact I’m pretty cynical, and I was seeing things through my own lens.
I will maintain though that this sort of scam should not be treated as synonymous with internet marketing. I have encountered many internet marketers in my day, and the vast majority do not screw people like this, even if they ARE just selling information. There is a difference between selling an ebook for a few bucks and completely raping someones credit.
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Doctor Mario Reply:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
@Jonathan ::
In >99% of the cases the “internet marketers” who are selling an ebook for a few bucks are just the front end lead generation for those telefucketeers to rape their credit later on thru upsells.
Your benign internet marketers are taking all the “fun” out of marketing funnels.
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I wantz 2B rich Reply:
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 am
@Jonathan,
About reading comprehension and twisting your statements…
My mother had an 8th grade education and raised 3 kids by herself. Had she not had a love of reading, I don’t know where any of us would have been today. She kept books and magazines and newspapers in the house. And we lived in a city that was so culturally rich that it didn’t matter if you were poor.
Fast forward to the semi-rural, podunk town I reside in today. I’ve met people who are barely literate. I’ve met people who can’t read. It happens here, in the US, in the 21st century. The less stimulus and the more isolated your existence, if you are dropped off to parents who don’t value reading, or who don’t know how to read, you’ve got a hard row to hoe. And maybe you’ll never read anything more challenging than the Enquirer or Star. I’m not going to judge those people.
Imagine someone in that situation being promised the moon by one of these snake-charmers. If you actually do work in the fields, it could sound very appealing. Hell, I’d only seen Anthony Morrison on TV. I wouldn’t have known that he was pond slime if I hadn’t visited here.
I don’t mean to distort anything that’s been said. It’s not uncommon for people to assign a label to someone who’s been duped. It’s an error, that’s all. When you have the opportunity to listen to the perspective of others, it casts a little light and softens the critic, and you have listened, and that’s commendable.
SD is right about what happens to the elderly – they’re targeted and exploited. These IM predators engage in behavior that’s unconscionable. I guess the lure of easy money and easy marks overrides any residual of ethics they may possess.
Again, thanks for hearing what people are saying. I had dug my heels in about someone who I thought was above-board, and the good people here persistently protested enough and produced enough facts that I could no longer defend one of the IM-ers that I mistakenly believed to be a straight shooter.
The illusions about IM predators that have been shattered here make finding out about Santa a cakewalk.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 am
@SD made a good point up above in response to my earlier comment, regarding whether or not the hucksters believe their own crap. Here is another sterling example of rationalization in action: http://blog.mrfire.com/who-first/
In this post, which was apparently written not only as another car-brag op but also to promote the infamous Miracles Coaching service handled by none other than Prosper, we are told (again) that what looks like money-grubbing is really all about altruism. It’s a point Mr. Fire seems obligated to repeat frequently.
But here’s the deal, he tells us: Before one can really be altruistic one must satisfy one’s own needs. Give to yourself until it hurts, and then maybe give to the world if it suits your fancy. In any case, you have to have lots of money to REALLY give in a significant way. Random acts of kindness, or helping a friend or neighbor with a chore, aren’t nearly as significant as giving someone an expensive car.
And @Jonathan, good on you for taking the time to listen to that scamming audio. It’s painful stuff but necessary to really understand what’s going on.
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Lanna Reply:
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 am
@Cosmic Connie,
Vitale’s such an idiot. “It was designed by the same fellow who designed the Aston Martin.” The Aston Martin brand has been around since 1914, and currently they have nine different model lines available. Does Vitale suppose there’s some centenarian who’s single-handedly designed every aspect of “the Aston Martin” since its emergence?
But that’s not the point of this post!
Poor Abraham Maslow must be spinning in his grave. Greasy shyster Joe Vitale writes, “You can call it Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.” He tags the article “abundance.” “Abundance: The Future Is Better Than You Think” focuses on the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs “pyramid.”
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Jack Reply:
March 4th, 2012 at 12:12 am
@Lanna, Maybe the Aston-Martin designer trick is something going about in mr. Vitale’s mind along with some kind of his reincarnation ideas.
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# 16 August 2011 at 6:30 am

Brad said:
I feel terrible for “Debbie”. Is there something we can do? Should we be writing our lawmakers or spreading awareness somehow?
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# 16 August 2011 at 10:35 am

Rafael Marquez said:
Listening to that audio, I’m reminded of that video from the FTC where the guy says, and I’m paraphrasing here:
“I’m telling you to write things down from the get go, I control you now. I’m in control of the conversation and you’re gonna do what I tell you to do.”
At the beginning of the call, he says he’s in Utah, but half way through, he’s suddenly in Arizona.
You want to yell out to her “DON’T TALK TO HIM ANYMORE!! DON’T GIVE HIM ANY MONEY!!”
Bill Gates’s daddy had money. He used that money to finance Bill in the beginning. They didn’t borrow any money from no damn credit cards.
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# 16 August 2011 at 10:50 am

stewroid said:
I hate all these fuckers! keep spreading the word SD!
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# 16 August 2011 at 11:36 am

2LateSmart said:
Holy fucking shit. My head just exploded. Seriously, I think I had a stroke listening to that shit storm.
Okay, how’s this? We pitch a “To Catch a Predator” type reality show to a major network that exposes these boiler room scammers and brings them down. Enlist the help of the FTC, maybe? The coalition to stop Elder Abuse? Someone? Anyone? I can’t just sit here and cry!
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SD Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 3:17 am
@2LateSmart ::
The problem with pitching the networks on a show {one of the problems} is that boiler rooms produce leads by giving television stations lots and lots of money. Probably have a better chance pitching them on show that “exposes” scammers as secret heros … oh wait …
http://saltydroid.info/secret-millionaire-secrets-revealed/
But someone you mentioned there has already been contacted by me :: and was sent an unedited copy of that tape weeks ago. I won’t tell you who :: but their initials are F-T-C …
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# 16 August 2011 at 6:00 pm

Hadfield said:
Just found Salty in Canada:
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/1316/roboe.jpg
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SD Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
@Hadfield ::
I was prolly in Canada stalking the greatest rocker of all time evers!
http://moonface.ca/
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# 17 August 2011 at 8:47 am

Juice said:
Has anyone who reads this site ever actually bought these muppets’ products? I’d love to hear real experiences. What you invested, what value you got if any, etc.
I’ve documented before, I spent a ton on all kinds of courses with the intention of growing my ecommerce businesses I had at the time. Some useful info but most of it just sh*te.
Anyone care to list what they bought and what it did for you if anything?
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Wide eyed Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
@Juice, Please read my comment # 9 above on this page. Hope this helps
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Doctor Mario Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
@Juice ::
I have TONS of these mo-fo’s products. Not that I bought … but I have >100GB on my hard drive that could fall under “Marketing Gurus’” info-products.
Here are my thoughts :: fairly similar to your own reaction ::
1 – The info-products are all just recycled shit from the “olden days” of the biz-opp universe … from guys like Dan Kennedy, Jay Abraham, Gary Halbert, and a few others who are less popular …
Incidentally, those older sources mostly just recycled the same-old-same from guys before them like David Ogilvy, Claude Hopkins, John E. Kennedy, etc … Old school advertisers.
1.a – Some of the strictly Internet Marketing stuff is actually just made up out of thin air (or out of outrageously inflated & untruthful claims). In that respect, certain IM materials aren’t recycled … unless you count that as recycling thin air & bogus claims.
For example: Stompernet (fake / worthless), Ryan Deiss (FULL of shit), Frank Kern (fake / but clever), Jeff Walker (fake as fuck), Jeff Johnson (fake scammer), etc etc etc etc … I certainly wouldn’t defend anyone ever mentioned on this blog as a non-scammer
2 – Most of the products are outrageously longer than necessary & repetitive as hell … to give the impression of more “content” so they can . . .
3 – Have all these info-products priced 10x … or more … what you could expect to pay for similar information out of other sources (like normal books, tutorials, or e-learning courses like those offered @ Lynda.com – often mentioned here as an alternative to the Syndicate).
IMHO … anyone who succumbs to the temptation of creating a business that sells information products w/ a >800% arbitrary mark-up is probably going to succumb to the temptation to start cutting corners in the way they produce those info-”products”.
Unless someone’s info-product represents the culmination of decades of success or research … it is probably more of a frauduct anyway … and DEFINITELY shouldn’t cost more than a couple bucks. Definitely not several thousand.
SHORT VERSION :: Gurus are 99% scammers.
Sincerely,
Dr. Mario
PS – Random statistics I make up may have appx 1% margin of error.
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Martpants Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@Doctor Mario, “Random statistics I make up may have appx 1% margin of error.”
I feel vaguely confident in almost trusting you completely.
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scipio Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 8:56 am
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
@Doctor Mario, so scammer is someone that sells something for a high price?
Nice logic.
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_cartman_ Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 10:53 am
@scipio,
Based on what the Doctor wrote….
A scammer is someone who makes fraudulent and/or misleading representations….the price point is “maintained” by the fraudulent claims…
Not sure how you came to your conclusion.
PS – A scam sold at $49.95 or $9,995 is still a scam…only the amount of financial damage to the victim differs.
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Doctor Mario Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 11:44 am
@scipio ::
Ah, an illiterate n00b who did not / can’t read #1 & #2 of my long ass comment above.
Your comment makes it clear you either:
(a) Are fucking retarded … in which case, I guess this will be of no help anyway … or …
(b) Only read #3 above … then decided in your infinite ignorance to comment as if you had read the whole thing.
Smart!
Btw :: when someone creates an info product that is genuinely useful :: representative of their years of success and / or actual in-depth research :: there is almost no price I’d consider TOO HIGH!
I have paid Syndicate prices … and more … for REAL information … and would have happily paid 10x as much in some cases … because the value I received was worth MORE than the high amount I paid.
@_cartman_ :: as usual :: is absolutely right …
Someone is a scammer :: at ANY price :: if they use misleading / illegal / unlawful practices to sell their shitty-wares … then keep doing it in spite of the fact they’ve been exposed as a liar & a thief … in willful disregard for the wellbeing of their marks … er :: “customers”
SHORT VERSION :: @scipio = Doofus
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Juice Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 5:04 am
@Doctor Mario,
Where are the sources and torrent sites for these products?
Ping me at seriouslyslapped@gmail.com if you don’t want to list them on here.
I know some a few sites but I could do with a few more.
Cheers
Ian
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Juice Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 5:06 am
@Juice, Jesus sounds like I was on the juice myself writing that.
Where are the best sources sorry?
Thanks
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Huckleberry Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
@Juice, You can find most of that stuff on totalbullshit.com. But I wouldn’t bother.
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# 17 August 2011 at 1:39 pm

CosmicCuntie said:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I think it’s time you finally get a job Salty
Your readership went down 75% and probably will continue to spiral down to numbers not even worth mentioning here.
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/saltydroid.info/
OUCH!
Looks like the more you try to make yourself appear to be relevant or accurate, the less and less people are giving a shit.
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Glad I Was Broke Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
@CosmicCuntie,
Well, I guess reading data is a bitch. I saw +1.93 increase in unique visits and about 22% decline in traffic. Oh, and there is increase in ranking of 1576. I think it is kinda important, no?
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11,000 uniques Reply:
August 17th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
@CosmicCuntie, Yep – 11,000 uniques is deplorable. he should still be fighting for the 50k+ that you dream about, and he has as historic record. You have proof, in-hand, of LOTS of people visiting this site…while no one comes to see you, huh. Something tells me you’ll keep coming back too, to keep reminding us how boring and useless we are – until Salty has the decency to flush you away like the turd you are.
WINNER!! ::   +10
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SD Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 1:47 am
@CosmicCuntie ::
Maybe Newt Gingrich will sell me a million of his Twitter followers … str8 to the top!!
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 8:26 am
CosmicCuntie? Cute. And subtle. That comment reads like the work of one of the Wimberliars who has plotted in the past to use SEO tricks against me. At the very least it’s someone who’s in love with Clickbank.
They must be getting desperate.
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Jack Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
@Cosmic Connie, I don’t want to go about onto a tangent, but what it made me think about is when I heard someone say “if you can’t attack the target, then attack a circle about the target and if that attack goes badly, attack the circle around the circle, and so on”, but what these people probably can be forgetting about is what my great-great-great grandma’s friend 15th century philosopher, mathematician, astronomer and Church Cardinal Nicolaus Cusanus – a.k.a. “Cosmic Cusanus” – used to tell her about infinite circles and how they probably will eventually lead them to a nearly straight line down to the F.T.C.
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PatBlowsJoe Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 9:05 am
@CosmicCuntie, Reading your post reminds me that I need to go outside & wash the mildew off my Patty O’Furniture. Has a real tendency to get slimey. LOA in action, perhaps? :-)
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Burned By Fire Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 11:57 am
@CosmicCuntie, unlike the game players in your industry some people don’t measure their dick length by compete numbers. But if that’s what you need to feel better about yours, go right ahead.
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PatBlowsJoe Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
@Burned By Fire, How can one measure what they cannot see? Perhaps it’s all part of that quantum scientifical bullshit that Patio Gurl peddles to her boyfriend Joe’s castoffs.
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RT Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
@PatBlowsJoe,
If what is being exposed here ultimately causes these scammers the inability or difficulty in doing “business” then this blog is doing it’s job.
If it’s so insignificant why are you here reading it?
Do you think that the guys running PMI and other boiler room guys are waking up in cold sweats wondering when the government it going to show up at their door and seize their assets, and put cuffs on them?
I guarantee it! Gigs up … may not happen tomorrow but it’s coming.
Hope your not sitting on that side of the table.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
@RT, While I appreciate your sentiments, I think you were addressing the wrong person. @PatBlowsJoe is on our side. Maybe you meant to address @CosmicCuntie. These nested comments do get confusing.
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RT Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
@Cosmic Connie,
Yeah … my bad. Totally directed at the wrong person.
Comment still stands though :-) Guarantee their are some folks losing a lot of sleep right now … unless they are incapable of feeling.
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PatBlowsJoe Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
@RT, I wasn’t worried. Your grammar and spelling are too good for you to be a member of the Porta-Can Empire. Turning off your brain is part of the cost of admission.
WINNER!! ::   +7
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Regrets Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
@CosmicCuntie, Harlan, is that you again?
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MrGray Reply:
August 20th, 2011 at 7:14 am
@CosmicCuntie,
(Sorry, got to stop laughing at your buffoon choice of name)
So, compete.com gives this site a rank of 145,646
alexa.com here
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/saltydroid.info#trafficstats
says 16,775
Could there be a rounding error here?
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Bonnie Reply:
August 20th, 2011 at 7:38 am
@MrGray,
I didn’t think it was funny — just ignorant… but that’s just me…
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I wantz 2B rich Reply:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
@CosmicCuntie, May you hover through fog and filthy air.
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Anonymous Reply:
March 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
@CosmicCuntie, Hahahahaha! It’s funny how much you suck at being a person.
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# 17 August 2011 at 10:35 pm

Dyler Thunder said:
For those that like James Ray, that is interesting:
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# 18 August 2011 at 5:07 pm

Dyler Thunder said:
That one is also good:
WINNER!! ::   +9
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RT Reply:
August 18th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
@Dyler Thunder,
That video is hilarious .. “those are ours … you should visualize them back.”
The last 2 minutes of the video are the best.
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anonymous Reply:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:22 pm
@Dyler Thunder, SCHIRMER IS A WANKER!
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# 18 August 2011 at 5:10 pm

Alexa Smith said:
What a predator. He builds up trust with his victim kind of like a child molester does.
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# 19 August 2011 at 7:38 am

987 said:
The evolution of self help is unbelievable. NEGATIVE.
A few years back I’ve read many books and listened to audiobooks believing I am getting worthwhile directions and wisdom for life.
Nowadays, I realize that the people behind the so called “self help” industry are people like this. People that connect with each other to exploit the “untrained” idiots in order to make more money.
About 3 years ago I downloaded an audiobook called “Ultimate goals program” by Brian Tracy.
The same Tracy that is in the leaderboard of all recent scam products.
I am in the process of some changes in my life and decided to setup some goals for the future so I just got this thing on my Mp3 player and head to the beach for some time alone.
I started listening to it and IT HIT ME. I just don’t and can’t believe anything he says (Nor most others).
I immediately erased that shit from my player.
That’s 2011 – A predator’s market seeking hopeless victims.
Fuck them all, I wish them to die.
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Aristoletes Italia Reply:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
@987,
“The foundation of all mental illness is the unwillingness to experience legitimate suffering…”
Carl Jung
“People will do anything no matter how absurd to stop from facing their souls.”
Carl Jung
“When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate.”
Carl Jung
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Salter Reply:
August 20th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
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anonymous Reply:
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:20 pm
@987, “The greatest danger is allowing politicians to make decisions in areas that they are not qualified to decide.” Martin Armstrong
That could read:
“The greatest danger to humanity is allowing self help gurus to force their beliefs in areas that they are not qualified to do.”
The self help industry is FULL to overflowing with idiots who have no qualifications to do any of what they are doing. Take that fake in Australia, David Schirmer for instance who was caught with his fingers in the cookie jar while screwing around with peoples lives so he could fund his dream house and dream car and dream lifestyle. He clearly did not give a wink about anyone else but himself and its come to light that he had been doing that for some time too. Now he has lost the lot and probably is so far in debt he would beat our American economic debt hands down. That’s what ego and greed do and the self help industry is full of it and the fact that it even happened in Australia means that its a global issue, not just in the US of A.
James Ray is another person who is dangerously living on the edge of reality and it appears he would do anything to maintain his self important greed. So sad our society has gotten when its these sorts of people who are making the news.
Lets work for the good to expose the bullshitters who exploit the masses and lets not call it GODS WORK like some of these hypocrites do.
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# 19 August 2011 at 9:33 am

mike said:
You should upload a version with her real voice. I thought it was a joke at first… Now hearing it, that’s horrible.
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SD Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 12:07 am
@mike ::
Her voice is disguised so she doesn’t get famous for what surely turned out to be one of her worst days ever :: thanks for the advice though.
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mike Reply:
August 25th, 2011 at 12:16 am
@SD, Without much knowledge of her situation, I don’t think the people that would recognize her voice would be listening to an interview on this blog. She doesn’t even have a computer at home. And if this does get popular (as it should), where the people she knows would hear about it and recognize her voice, I doubt at that point she’d be embarrassed. She’d probably find satisfaction in knowing how many people she’s helped instead.
Without hearing a story like this, people like her are going to continue wandering into high pressure sales situations without their guard up. Just my last two cents.
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Huh Reply:
October 13th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
@mike,
“Without much knowledge of her situation, I don’t think the people that would recognize her voice would be listening to an interview on this blog. She doesn’t even have a computer at home.”
By “I don’t think,” you must mean, “you personally guarantee.” In marketing, they’d call that, “one amazing guarantee!” I’m not sure how “her not even having a computer” would prevent someone ELSE from hearing and recognizing her, but maybe you know something about technology that nobody else does.
“I doubt at that point she’d be embarrassed. She’d probably find satisfaction in knowing how many people she’s helped instead.”
That’s quite a sacrifice you’re making there, volunteering up the victim. I guess you must know her then, maybe from recognizing her voice?
“Without hearing a story like this, people like her are going to continue wandering into high pressure sales situations without their guard up. Just my last two cents.”
When you say, “people like her” I guess you mean people who like you also just said, “don’t have computers?” But they wouldn’t be able to hear it, right?
Here’s an idea. What if SD gave out your home phone number, and people without computers could call you and you could play it over the phone for them?
I realize there’s no need to ask you, because “I’m sure” you’d probably find satisfaction in knowing how many people you’ve helped.
Attached: Your 2 cents in change.
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# 24 August 2011 at 11:43 pm

Scott said:
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How the fuck do you get these recordings? My thought sometimes is that sometimes you are one of these guys and putting this stuff out. No press is bad press right?
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M. Pressive Reply:
October 13th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
@Scott, I mean, fucking “Husband, Dad, Christ Follower, Dallas Cowboys fan” that would probably only make fucking sense if you had a fucking head injury. Fuck, for someone with no fucking imagination, you have quite a fucking imagination. Love the fucking cliche though.
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Scott Reply:
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@M. Pressive, Since when couldn’t christians cuss? Only the right wing conservatives assholes feel that way!
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M. Pressive Reply:
October 13th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
@Scott, Ah, a little P.Z. Myers-follower style deception. Cool. Thanks for the incite insight. And yeah, you’re even more of an asshole, but don’t get carried away with that flattery.
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Jack Reply:
October 13th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@Scott, I found a good copy of Mr. Flesch’s book for you Why Johnny Can’t Read – I gues you can go take a look at the picture on the book there and try to figure out what it’s about.
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SD Reply:
October 13th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
@Scott ::
Thanks bud … never heard that before.
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# 13 October 2011 at 8:28 am

Bigg said:
Dirty tricks….
He gave the price real quickly then got onto the sales pitch and it was just as usual. Non-stop bullshit until you just buy it. I want a web site – HOW MUCH ? You scamming piece of shit-brained motherf***ing dirt.
These turds need taking down by a certain robot
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# 17 November 2011 at 12:48 pm

b said:
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Chris is a badass and if I ever find iut who made this imma kick your ass!
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