SD the SP and PTSes
Are you KSW? Or are you one of these skank ass bitches who doesn’t care about the world having the correct technology? And NO :: I’m not talking about donating iMacs to your local school system. That’s just lame :: and it won’t do anyone any fucking good. As if kids need experience working with computers. Let them eat cake! Of course :: I’m talking about the only thing that really matters :: Keeping Scientology Working.
Apparently not enough people are KSW :: because Scientology is so so stupid :: and not working. Recent high level defectors note that Scientology’s membership has been in steady decline since the late 1980′s.
Most of the shit that golden god L. Ron Hubbard had to say was approximately as useful as eating gerbil turds. But he did have a few valuable insights …
1) The best way to get rich is to start your own “religion.”
2) The best way to maintain control of that “religion” is via authoritarianism.
3) The most important aspect of authoritarianism is mind control.
4) Mind control cannot be maintained in the presence of dissent.
5) Auditing can clear your engrams and make you an Operating Thetan!
Okay :: scratch five :: move that one to the so so stupid list.
Mega douche bag and stupid old man James Arthur Ray is a former Scientologist :: as he explains in his typically gimped English …
“The difficulty with Scientology (with which I’ve had experience) is that, in my opinion, it’s too similar to traditional psychotherapy. Now don’t get me wrong… traditional psychotherapy works (unless you’re speaking of a medicated approach), but again, in my experience, it is not the most efficient …
And, it takes an inordinate amount of time and money! I remember leaving my Scientology “auditing” sessions being totally exhausted! (As well as much lighter in my wallet with many more multiples of sessions to go).”
Many more multiples of scammers are previous Scientologists. Werner Erhard {Landmark “Education”} :: one of LGAT’s founding fathers :: was a long time member and seems to have stolen many of L. Ron’s best tricks. Big Daddy Hubbard didn’t like the competition :: and a cock fight ensued {alleged :: by me :: to have been fought with actual cocks}. Death Ray likely had little interest in becoming an Operating Thetan :: and was instead modeling Erhard’s modeling of Hubbard. Why have your own ideas when you can just steal those of others?
One of the keys to KSW :: as all good Thetan’s know :: is the “fair gaming” of “suppressive persons.” SP’s are defined by Scientology as …
a person who possesses a distinct set of characteristics and mental attitudes that cause him to suppress other people in his vicinity. This is the person whose behavior is calculated to be disastrous.
Hubbard put Hitler and other famous antisocials into this group :: and over the years the label has been misapplied to many true believers within the “church” as a tool of control. But the original formulation intended to target the biggest threat to Scientology :: not Jew killing fascists or axe murdering nut-jobs :: but active and vocal dissenters against the Church of Scientology.
Once someone is declared an SP :: any abusive tactic necessary to achieve their silence is considered “fair game.” Private Investigators :: Harassment :: Threats :: Lawsuits :: Public Revelation of Private Facts :: Personal Attacks :: Lies. Whatevs … just shut the mother fucker{s} up as soon as possible. The key danger of the SP is their ability to convert others :: who would normally be perfectly compliant sheeple :: into Potential Trouble Sources {abbreviated PTS because cults love acronyms}. PTSes make up a much larger percentage of the population than the freakishly rare genuine SP. If enough sheeple are converted into PTSes … your cult’s viability could come under threat.
Over the course of the last year :: many readers of The Salty Droid have been shocked by the lengths to which the D-bags have been willing to go to try and silence my robotic awesomeness.
- More than a dozen false DMCA claims
- Lies and Defamation
- Big Law Firms
- Private Investigators
- Strange Plots
- Plots against my family
- Threats of death :: rape :: and other gross strangeness {the details of which I usually spare you}
“I don’t understand” :: says many of you privately to me :: “you are just a lame blogger … and not even a real robot. None of this crap is necessary.”
But it’s nothing new :: it’s just Cult Tactics 101. Cult liars can’t answer to the truth with reason :: because they KNOW that they are nothing more than shameful thieves and destroyers of lives. Dark tactics are all that is available to them. Fortunately for evil :: dark tactics are nearly 100% effective. Most potential PTSes lie dormant forever :: never to be activated by some psycho willing to shout BULLSHIT!! in a room full of blank eyed true believers.
But something is different now. And that something is The One Machine :: The Webz :: The MotherFucking Internet. The Internet is the giant megaphone that has finally allowed the few to speak to the many. The Salty Droid is a particularly raging example of the new school SP :: because his totally bad ass is draped in some pretty fancy pants. But make no mistake cult guru assholes :: I’m just one of the first of a new breed. WE are coming for you :: WE are going activate all of the PTSes :: WE ARE GOING TO WIN … and there is NOTHING you can do about it.
“I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword”
{Matthew 10:34}
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The web also effectively killed Amway when all of the disgruntled MLM’ers were able to compare notes and discuss them openly on the Web. THese programs do not hold up well outside of the mind controlled environment…
WINNER!! ::
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Misinformationhater Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Uh…how do you say the Web “effectively killed Amway,” sheisterhater? Their profits have soared since the recession hit.
Not saying they’re legit. Not saying they’re not evil. Just saying your facts are about as dead wrong as they can be and that helps negate your entire point.
Check your facts please.
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Misinformationhater Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Whoops — sorry sheist…it was KennedyOldTimer I meant to address. Brain fart. My bad. My apologies.
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MazeMan Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Nuff said….
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zjnUxYCaR4
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Hey Salty, good post. From an aspiring SP, bravo for having some awesomely fancy pants with room for a huge set of brass nads. I’ma guessing you have an incredibly crafty robot-like plan for dealing with the shit the cultists are about to pour on your head. I hope you can keep your circuits clean, ’cause these nutcakes are liable to raise new levels of “gross strangeness”.
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Tom Cruise’s laugh at the end of that video is like, maniacal, kind of like the laughs you expect from somebody like Death Ray as he squeezes money from the poor saps who believe his lies.
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In case you were wondering how Tom Cruise got into Scientology, this video explains how…
http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/876781/3543843
(It’s an excerpt from a TV programme shown in the UK called Star Stories – YouTube won’t let me view it for some daft reason).
Just in case the video isn’t self-explanatory, the man in the while suit is John Travolta, and obviously the other person is Tom Cruise.
Woohoo!! *points fingers at the sky*
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It’s pretty obvious why Death Ray didn’t like Scientology. He wasn’t able to take control of it and pocket the money.
Charles Manson also tried Scientology and abandoned it for that very reason.
WINNER!! ::
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jojo Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Then it wouldnt suit Schirmer either. Hes another one who demands control of his little captive crew. Do as I say, do as I say, because if you dont do that you’ll make me seem even more of the worthless crap that I am. Note taken, Tweedledum and Tweedledee are in Orange County whipping up oh lets see at least a few stupid folks anyways.
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Damn SD.
Hope you’re prepared for time consuming legal battles if this escalates.
I understand your stance of standing up where others won’t but if this catches the attention of Scientology and turns into one of their legal battles it could be a long and drawn out process for you. From what I’ve seen they use the legal system to drain time and money from their opposition and they seem to do it quite successfully.
I know an attorney that represented someone who has fought them in the past and it dragged on for a VERY long time.
I equate their tactics with tactics used by the Feds – and both have virtually unlimited legal and investigative resources to attack, harass and vampire time from whom they choose.
Hope it doesn’t come to that but if it does I hope you’re are prepared.
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Hippo Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:15 am
To Mock Me:
I am actually less worried about this than I would have been a couple of years ago.
So many people are taking pot-shots at Scientology now, they can’t possibly sue everyone.
You may notice that Scientology jokes are gradually starting to creep onto TV. Stephen Colbert has mocked them a few times, and I don’t think they have gone after him. There are a number of anti-CO$ websites.
This would have been unheard-of ten years ago, or even five. But like Mr. Salty says, the internet is going to be their downfall.
They rely on secrecy to keep their mindgames and abuse going. That gets harder and harder with the way the technology is.
WINNER!! ::
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4chan Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/PROJECT_CHANOLOGY
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SD on Scammers equivalent Mark Bunker on Co$ ? Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
IMO SD plays (could play) a similar role helping guide organize things along in some sense:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW466xcM0Yk
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SD Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
I couldn’t possibly agree with Mr. Bunker any more about staying within the rules :: and fighting fair. ESPECIALLY when you are fighting against cheaters and liars. Be aggressive :: and passionate :: and dedicated. But don’t go outside the law … or outside of your own internal morality.
People often suggest that I reflect the badguys tactics back at them. They send false DMCA claims … I should send false DMCA claims. They attack my wife … I attack theirs. Nope! They are just making themselves look like the evil assholes that they are … I won’t service my cause by doing the same.
The TRUTH is the most powerful weapon. Badguys cheat because the truth is not on their side … we don’t need to resort to that.
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Hippo Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Mark Bunker is awesome. He has gone after CO$ for years, but in a legal, dignified way. I admire him tremendously.
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wc Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Wise beard man is wise
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Hippo Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
And how could I forget the South Park “Trapped In The Closet” episode?
I don’t think Trey Parker or Matt Stone got sued, although there was some PR fallout involving Cruise promoting MI 3.
Craig Ferguson also did a great parody of the Tom Cruise video.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYBTII1fHg
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It’s bizarre that they would actually sue a person with a blog.
But then again, they did sue Rick Ross, anti-cult forum.
And I think Rick Ross won?
NO WAIT that was Landmark Forums. Equally shitheads.
I believe a person should have a right to write about their belief system (being against Scientology) in total freedom.
Isn’t that what the law says now? If I write a blog saying that Cheez Whiz is totally lame and not made of cheese will the cheez whiz people come after me?
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Misinformationhater Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Not if you state, “in my opinion,” or “if you ask me,” or “I personally feel,” before you state that Cheez Whiz is totally lame. Actually, that statement in and of itself is so obviously your opinion you would most likely be ok. Especially if your blog has similar opinions scattered about stated in similar ways.
It’s stating your opinion or something you cannot prove that DAMAGES another individual and presenting that statement in a manner that could be taken as a statement of fact that can land you in hot water.
Bear in mind — anyone can sue you for almost anything. Big brands, if you have a large audience, will sometimes sue you just to prove they are protecting their brand and send a message to others. Or to drain you of your financial resources battling it until you’re gone.
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Hippo Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Ron Hubbard loved to sue people. He didn’t even care about winning. He just wanted to engage people in combat until they were financially and emotionally drained.
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Robin Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Has Scientology ever been SLAPPed?
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Unlike Scientology, gerbil turds are rich in fiber. Get your free trial prescription of TurdiFeX today!
WINNER!! ::
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Of course, Joe Vitale is bringing Werner Erhard’s EST back to life through the republication of The Book of EST. It’s the “best self help book ever written” and no, it’s not by him, as he likes to remind people.
He mentions on the web site selling the book that his ex-wife died during transcription. It had nothing to do with the book. It apparently had something to do with things the book asked her to face, but that had nothing to do with the book either. You know, because the book is just like being in EST training, but it’s not. I have no idea what his wife dying has to do with EST or the book, but I find the whole thing entirely tacky. And that’s me being nice.
So grab your EST book, your hoshun, and maybe a complete set of Clearing MindFuck Audios and you can pretend you’re a magical scientologist wannabe just like Joe Vitale and his friends.
WINNER!! ::
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Hoshun Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 2:14 am
I’ve got my eye on you, Burned by Fire. ;)
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stoic Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 2:23 am
Only one, Mr Hoshun?
Bit of a flop in the wishful thinking department if you can’t crayon in that other eye ;-)
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its a good idea to get the fact that Ray was a scientologist into the main websites that expose scientology like http://xenu.net/ and the anonymous activists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)
ray borrowed the methods of many groups like scientology and turned them into his own private hell and made himself king
the only way to really stop the insanity is internet activism to cut their profits
joe vitale is a big fat crook
amway might say their profits have increased but amway is a private company so no one knows what is going on. amway is lying and saying their profits have increased so they can sign up more suckers.
amway is a type of fanatical billionaire christian cult at the top end for the family that owns it.
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rwr Reply:
March 8th, 2010 at 2:19 am
From http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/wisconsintaxes_amway.htm
In 1980, as part of a suit against Amway, an investigation was undertaken by the Office of Attorney General for the State of Wisconsin, led by Assistant AG Bruce Craig. Out of approximately 20,000 distributors operating in Wisconsin, state tax returns were obtained for all of the Amway “Direct” Distributors in Wisconsin, about 200, which approximately represented the top 1% of distributors. Attached to the returns were the federal forms, which revealed a breakdown of revenue and expense information.
Though these were supposedly the top distributors in the state, with an average gross profit of about $12,500, the average net income after subtracting operating expenses for these 200 top Amway distributors was approximately minus $900 – a $900 loss. This information was reported on the nationally televised “60 Minutes” show.
Mr. Craig recalled that a maximum of eight distributors may have grossed $50,000, with actual net income after expenses that might have exceeded a minimum wage for the time…
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It looks like Ray’s thugs have also tried to intimidate the media, there is a comment in a Ray post here from a poster called Senor talking about getting bullied by people like Ray.
Senor could be the Senor Reporter from the arizona newspaper that did some critical articles about Ray. http://www.azstarnet.com/news/blogs/senor-reporter/article_bc9ff93e-1ff2-11df-9ca8-001cc4c002e0.html
Same tactic as Scientology to create libel chill to stop editors from doing stories on them.
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Not long ago the Holosync guy started making legal noises at Duff McDuffee for criticizing his product and claims on a blog. Within 48 hours another 20 or more posts went up with criticisms of a similar nature. (I did one too)
You can be sure that if Scientology decides to go after it’s detractors who blog there will be hundreds if not thousands of critical blog posts and comments. They’ll have to mortgage the e-meters to finance that kind of onslaught.
Intimidation of critics no longer works.
WINNER!! ::
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Duff Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
And I am still appreciative of all the support I received. Thanks to NellaLou, the Droid, and everyone else.
WINNER!! ::
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Salty,
Are we going to get the “Bring It Mother F’ers” response if the Scientologists go after you legally?
I am hoping you really are shaking things up.
Your not going to judge me if I am here mostly for entertainment right? :)
Keep it up. You have a crazy tolerance for risk. But I guess since you are a droid, by definition you have a steel SET, or at least a some form of metal alloy balls.
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Hippo Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
I’d be very surprised if CO$ went after Mr. Salty.
They have their hands full with Anonymous.
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Some interesting scientology reading:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/
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Holy Shit Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
This is seriously creepy:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-C-wupe76E
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Here is a leaked scientology orientation video:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOoFnLYaUOI
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Barry Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Interesting positioning of your options. You can join the Church of Scientology, yes. You could also choose to blow your brains out. It’s all about choice!
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stoic Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
This guy narrating has defected and is trying to get back monies that he deposited for future courses. He was a star role model apparently, until he opened the door and walked away.
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` Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm1dMrjB4c8
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wc Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Jim Carrey was so sensible about Scientology and seeing it for what it is and making fun of it . Unfortunately that is not the case when it comes to his views on vaccines. I wish Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy would stop spreading their anti vaccine FUD.
Not only that but Jenny is one of the producers of a new Byron Katie film. Obviously his wife is subject to all sorts of woo and flim flam and Jim is going along for the ride.
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Hippo Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:45 am
To WC:
Yeah, and that’s another one Oprah has fawned all over. You’ve got the McCarthy/autism thing, “The Secret,” and add in Suzanne Somers and her homeopathic cancer treatment for the trifecta.
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@wc Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:09 am
In addition to what you said, Jim has also (unfortunately) gotten involved in the Global Alliance For Transformational Entertainment:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keR6HNE67Dg
And to lighten the mood…Tony Robbins:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gASuxveGa4
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wc Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 12:46 am
Yeah Hippo. Pretty much anything Oprah promotes these days is imo riddled with BS.
Thanks for the videos @wc that video with Jim Carrey extolling the virtues of Eckhart Tolle is weird. I can’t tell if he is mocking the whole thing or if he is serious.
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stoic Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 6:35 am
My first thought on watching the Eckhardt Tolle spin was–what is with these actors? Is the enlightened guru stance the ultimate role for these players? They are only professional role-players after all, their entire lives consisting of mouthing scripts written by others and aping the behaviours that they are instructed to present. These are theatrical performances and not even good ones.
Then I had a good laugh at Carreys’ Robbins satire. I hope for Jim Carreys sake that he is also not sure, like Hippo, whether he is mocking or serious and that he manages to maintain the uncertainty. True Believers become very unfunny, very quickly.
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Carlon Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Hippo is right on. Oprah is full of it. In fact, I tell my readers not to read ANYTHING recommended by Oprah. Her support of McCarthy on the vaccine issue is dangerous, and the fact that she was all over the Secret and only backtracked when someone followed the Secret’s advice and decided against chemotherapy (negative thoughts cause disease, right?) is proof that she is not a big thinker.
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Hippo Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
To Carlon:
Thank you for the validation. I wish that more people felt the way you do. I get a little concerned about the wholesale adulation that Oprah receives.
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Carlon Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 5:11 am
To Hippo,
It’s funny because I just blogged about self-help books I hate last Friday and brought up the Oprah issue.
http://dontstepinthepoop.com/worst-selfhelp-books
NO one seemed to mind, but the Dr. Phil fans did.
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Good luck Droid. I hope you are the first of many.
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“L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah Or Madman?” by L RON HUBBARD JR! Spills the beans on his dad’s insanity. Best exposure of CO$ EVER!
WINNER!! ::
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Watching The Train Wreck Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
What the hell is CO$?
I don’t really want to read the scientology bible or whatever to find out. Anyone willing to summarize what this is in reference to?
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Carl Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Simple – it’s just an unflattering abbreviation. C=Church O=Of $-Scientology. You can probably deduce the thinking behind the dollar sign.
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The internet will be the downfall of all these retarded religions like scientology because it allows the truth to come out. Scientology is wicked retarded and James Ray is right behind it in terms of stupidity. Tom Cruise is an idiot for believing that crap.
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True story:
When I was a young lad of 17, my sister starting dating the man who would later become her husband, and he was heavily into COS, and got my sister into it as well.
So at his cajoling and pressuring, I enrolled in their intro communication course, which I found frankly boring and silly.
Anyway, the day I completed the course, I got hustled upstairs to get the results of my “personality test”.
(I once asked Richard Bandler if he had ever taken the COS personality test. He replied, “Personality? You mean I only get to test ONE of my personalities?”
Anyway, he tried to get me to sign a contract to take a more advance course and do some “auditing”.
I explained I had to ask my parents first.
He said, “What’s the matter? Are you some kind of kid that has to ask Mommy and Daddy’s permission?”
I said, “Well, as a matter of fact, I’m only 17. I can’t sign a contract without their signing it too.”
“Oh,” he said, apparently not having anything in the playbook for minors.
So I never come back and for months I get nasty letters, phone calls, etc etc.
The last letter said, “What is this game you are playing that you won’t respond to me?”
And then I hit on an idea that got them to stop calling and writing me cold.
I sat down and wrote him a letter that said that I had had a vision of Jesus Christ, binding L. Ron in chains, as I drove home from that meeting with him. Jesus cast L. Ron into the lake of fire, and when I got home I fell to my knees and accepted the Lord as my Savior.
I told him that I would LOVE to come in and discuss some verses in the Bible that he really needed to read, and to pray for him to come to the love of Jesus Christ, so he could receive eternal life and forgiveness for his sins. And could I call him at home and have his number, please so we could pray together?
NEVER HEARD BACK. Calls and letters stopped COLD.
RJ
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stoic Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Nice story, almost as good as the satan worshiping one.
I got stopped outside a Co$ place in London, started giving my details prior to taking the test and had second thoughts with the form only half filled in. I left, but eight years later I was still getting the occasional Scientologist on my doorstep wanting me to come back and take the personality test.
I was young and not so gabby so I didn’t have a smart answer to get rid of them but I learned that rudely shutting the door on them worked quite well.
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SD Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Awesome!
That’s a pretty good way to get rid of pressure salesmen {like Brunson’s} as well.
“Actually, I’m glad you called. I’d love to take just a moment of your time to tell you about an even more impressive business opportunity. It’s called Herbalife … and it will change your life forever!”
Click.
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Duff Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
While I’m skeptical of the words “true story” from a man who tells women he watched a roller coaster documentary on the Discovery channel (a thinly veiled metaphor for sex), I found this (true or not) story highly entertaining.
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Does everyone in COS speak this kind of nonsense language? “So, it’s just this… you know… YEAH and then HELPING, you know…are you going to help? because… I mean I just knew… I mean I know… I know that it’s like BAM, you know? Just and so yeah. So I mean you know you have to help. So I help and I mean, are you? I mean if you ask yourself, do you… help or… I mean I’m thinking about this… do you know if you help? Because I know I help.”
Wow I can speak gibberish better than I thought.
I actually watched all nine minutes wondering if I was going to get anything other than, “Yeah. And HELPING, I mean really we help. So if you think about helping, we really help. It’s just… this… thing, you know?”
There was something about getting out of the amphitheater that added a concrete noun into the mix.
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stoic Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Tom’s lost without a script.
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Dizzy Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Or his puppeteers.
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wc Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:25 am
Tom has had the language center of his brain removed and replaced with the cult’s jibberish.
I believe this is a common trait amongst a lot of cult members / LGATers and flim flam believers.
As soon as one leaves the auspices of the cult or the direction of the leader and begins to think for themselves again, ones ability to think and speak returns.
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Hippo Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:52 am
To Rox:
And sadly, that Cruise video was edited to make him sound BETTER.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am
Nonsense language prevails in the New-Wage world, whether it’s Scientology, Landmark Forum (formerly The Forum, formerly est) or some wacko sex-cultish thing that I’ve been blogging about for years called ACCESS Consciousness (formerly ACCESS Energy Transformation).
Re the latter: take a look at this ménage à twaddle vid of two giggly ACCESS enthusiasts and a hapless musician.
http://bit.ly/90EwuE
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwbbf5mmUoY
The gal with the maniacal gleam in her eye who’s doing the very weird thing with her right hand is Rikka. At first I thought maybe she had carpal tunnel problems and was just trying to ease the pain and numbness, but it seems something altogether more sinister (in a titillating kind of way) is going on. Rikka and her partner Summer are apparently trying to pull some hypno-crap on the poor guy, but it seems he’s kind of liking it. Towards the end he makes a noble effort to say their “therapy” made him feel all different. I just bet it did.
I’d kind of like to see Rikka and Summer with those odd hand movements and intermittent simultaneous utterances of hypnotic nonsense in a face-off with our pal Ross Jeffries and those hypno-gestures that he was demonstrating to the guy on that BBC vid linked to on another thread. We’d see who could hypnotize and manipulate whom first. THAT would be entertainment.
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Ha. I’d have their panties(if they wear any) down around their ankles faster than Salty could say, “Bleep”.
RJ
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Hippo Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
To RJ:
Your mother must be awfully ashamed of you.
If she’s not, she should be.
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Cosmic Connie Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Getting into their panties (if they wear any) might not be too much of a challenge. Besides giggling and nonsense-spouting, promiscuous boinking seems to be one of the tenets of ACCESS.
http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/2009/10/access-incredible-lightness-of-boinking.html
Re Ross v RikkaSummer, I was thinking more in terms of who could hypnotize whom into spending tons of money. In any case the dueling hand gestures, b.s.-ing and hypno-techniques might be fun to watch.
But why should Ross have all of the fun getting a piece of ACCESS? Here’s something from a Dr. Stephen Comer (ahem) for you ladies:
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SD Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
I suggest using their panties as gags so that I never have to hear them speaking again. The carpal tunnel blond is maximum annoying. I’d rather listen to the random mouth noise of Maria Andros … which is really saying something.
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stoic Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Ross v Rikka would certainly be entertainment. I see scope for a whole new era of reality TV, the 21st century version of the wrestling tournaments, are you game Ross?
Hippo, I read somewhere that Ross’ mum is indeed very proud of him and considers him to be a genius. She did say, maybe somewhat wistfully, that he would have made a great lawyer.
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Hippo Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
To Stoic:
I’m going to take a wild guess that this may be a case of rationalizing–tying the brain into a pretzel of denial, to avoid confronting something that would otherwise be too painful to deal with.
We will go to great lengths to avoid shame.
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Ross Jeffries Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
My Mom and Dad were both huge fans, both are now passed on.
But my nephews think I am the coolest Uncle in existence.
RJ
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Kyle Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Wow, this is really crazy: this video clip shows one of the “Access Consciousness” founders with Rikka and Summer. See Rikka overcome (pardon the pun) while she’s lying on a massage table:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fthvy7T_uW0
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Bob Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
Check out the odd intermittent chants in the first video above that Cosmic Connie posted. Rikka occasionally speaks a line of some “alternative language.” It’s really strange. One example can be found at 3:38 in (back it up a little ways before that and crank up your speakers). Add to that the weird hand movements, and well…you’ve got a double dose of bizarre. I’m not sure if their subject (the musician) is being vexxed or if he’s just ultra laid back. But it’s something else, that’s for sure.
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simple explanation for the video: Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
BS.
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stoic Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 5:26 am
The double dose of bizarre could be inducing cognitive dissonance in the musician.
Cog dis happens when the brain is trying to synchronise two opposing things. Commonly called confusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Now I have confused myself.
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stoic Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 6:15 am
Found a good example (and a nice Walt Whitman quote)that illustrates the theory from skepdic:
http://www.skepdic.com/cognitivedissonance.html
Some years ago I participated in a test of applied kinesiology at Dr. Wallace Sampson’s medical office in Mountain View, California. A team of chiropractors came to demonstrate the procedure. Several physician observers and the chiropractors had agreed that chiropractors would first be free to illustrate applied kinesiology in whatever manner they chose. Afterward, we would try some double-blind tests of their claims.
The chiropractors presented as their major example a demonstration they believed showed that the human body could respond to the difference between glucose (a “bad” sugar) and fructose (a “good” sugar). The differential sensitivity was a truism among “alternative healers,” though there was no scientific warrant for it. The chiropractors had volunteers lie on their backs and raise one arm vertically. They then would put a drop of glucose (in a solution of water) on the volunteer’s tongue. The chiropractor then tried to push the volunteer’s upraised arm down to a horizontal position while the volunteer tried to resist. In almost every case, the volunteer could not resist. The chiropractors stated the volunteer’s body recognized glucose as a “bad” sugar. After the volunteer’s mouth was rinsed out and a drop of fructose was placed on the tongue, the volunteer, in just about every test, resisted movement to the horizontal position. The body had recognized fructose as a “good” sugar.
After lunch a nurse brought us a large number of test tubes, each one coded with a secret number so that we could not tell from the tubes which contained fructose and which contained glucose. The nurse then left the room so that no one in the room during the subsequent testing would consciously know which tubes contained glucose and which fructose. The arm tests were repeated, but this time they were double-blind — neither the volunteer, the chiropractors, nor the onlookers was aware of whether the solution being applied to the volunteer’s tongue was glucose or fructose. As in the morning session, sometimes the volunteers were able to resist and other times they were not. We recorded the code number of the solution on each trial. Then the nurse returned with the key to the code. When we determined which trials involved glucose and which involved fructose, there was no connection between ability to resist and whether the volunteer was given the “good” or the “bad” sugar.
When these results were announced, the head chiropractor turned to me and said, “You see, that is why we never do double-blind testing anymore. It never works!” At first I thought he was joking. It turned it out he was quite serious. Since he “knew” that applied kinesiology works, and the best scientific method shows that it does not work, then — in his mind — there must be something wrong with the scientific method. (Hyman 1999)
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And to think I actually had an erotic dream about Tom Cruise once. So ashamed of my subconscious.
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Is there a follow up to the Tom Cruise video that shows the wires leading into his head and mouth? Just curious.
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Here’s a link at Gawker with a “motivational” video for Scientologists. Apparently they see nothing wrong with abuse of copyright of others’ material:
http://tinyurl.com/yz7ysjj
Now I see Tom Cruise’s attraction to it: he thinks life is a scifi movie.
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stoic Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Or an action movie with a Hollywood ending.
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httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK2SDf-KWbs
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SD Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Poor Mr. Kitty!
Next thing you know he’ll be stripping off all of his fur and running down the street screaming “I hate fish!”
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In case you missed the point of this article :: it does not mark the beginning of a war between The Droid and CO$. I need to finish with the other bastards I’ve already started on first.
Just trying to illustrate :: like I have been for the last month or two :: that both IM and self-help are cults :: or at the very least get all of their tactics from the cult playbook.
However :: after reading and watching a bunch of stuff from that awesome Truth Rundown that someone linked to yesterday … I must say that I find that short little prick David Miscavige very temping. What a bastard!
As for CO$ attacking me :: I don’t see that happening. The thing about these kinds of attacks … is that they are usually aimed at people who are:
a) Not lawyers.
b) Not bad asses.
c) Have other things going on in their lives.
I’m here just to fight. That’s it. My whole mission … fight the badguys. So it won’t scare :: demotivate :: or drain my resources if they attack. But it would create a MASSIVE headache for them. Does Miscavige want to be deposed by me for a week? No. He does not.
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Bad Ass Lawyer Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
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SD Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
@BadAss
You don’t need to be barred in the state to represent your own interests. #uhohyourself
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MazeMan Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:04 am
“#uhohyourself” – ROTFLMBO!!!!
SD: 1 ; Bad Ass Lawyer: 0
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Ha Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Looks like “Bad Ass” is a “Dumb Ass” (and NO lawyer)!
WINNER!! ::
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wc Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Bad Ass Lawyer aka cult apologist is trying to spread fear woo..
News flash Bad ass lawyer your cult’s fear tactics do not work here!
Go back to listening to your L. Ron tapes.
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mirele Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:44 am
You might want to check…Scientology hasn’t sued anyone since 1995. It just feels like it, because some of these cases (Time, Wollersheim) went on for close to two decades. But if you look, no, Scn hasn’t sued anyone since 1995. The cult figured out around 1997 that it wasn’t going to keep the story of Xenu under wraps anymore. Particularly after Judge Leonie Brinkema came unglued when the cult prevailed upon a magistrate to seal one of her decisions. (She promptly unsealed it.) At about the same time, the Washington Post gave a brief overview of Operating Thetan III (aka Xenu) and noted wryly that despite what Hubbard had said would happen, the presence of the Xenu story had not led to widespread pneumonia outbreaks. Since then, the Xenu story’s pretty much the butt of jokes all over the place.
Sure, the cult could put the hurt on a lot of people, but it doesn’t. Not when Nick Denton over at Gawker is willing to say that a Tom Cruise video (i.e., the one above) was newsworthy and willing to keep it on his site even after YouTube took it down.
Bad publicity in the era of the internet = bad publicity to the 10th power.
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Hippo Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:56 am
I am so grateful to Nick Denton. I remember when this happened–it was about two days before the Tom Cruise biography came out. CO$ demanded that Gawker take the video down, which it did, but then Nick decided to put it back up, claiming “fair use.”
CO$ will never have the power it once had, and I doubt that Tom Cruise will ever get his career back, either.
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Hippo Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 1:11 am
To Mr. Salty:
If you have a chance, please research a journalist named Paulette Cooper. She was the first person to publish something very critical of Scientology, back around 1971, and they somehow managed to get hold of a blank piece of paper with her fingerprints on it. Then they typed a bomb threat, and sent it to the FBI. She was at a loss to explain how her fingerprints got on the letter.
I realize that this is very low-tech stuff. However, this was terrifying to her at the time. They harrassed her for five years, and she was in trouble with the Feds for quite some time until the CO$ plot was discovered. They had also infiltrated the IRS, the CIA and other government organizations. They had people in low-level positions, but they were able to get access to information that was useful to CO$.
Paulette Cooper was almost driven to suicide. Her story is amazing, and if you’re not familiar with it, check it out. I believe the entire text of her book is available online.
I don’t think that CO$ would be able to pull off such a thing nowadays. However, it doesn’t hurt to be aware of how extremely vicious and dangerous they are.
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mirele Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Probably the worst thing that could happen to the Droid is that he ends up on Religious Freedom Watch. There he’ll join 50+ of some of the finest people on planet Earth. :)
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EB Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:47 am
“or at the very least get all of their tactics from the cult playbook.”
Eben Pagan <3 Werner Erhard, calling him brilliant.
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Duff Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
To make a minor distinction here, not all things sold on the internet use cult tactics, and not all approaches to self-help do either. But yes, the overwhelming majority of that which is popular with the masses in both arenas utilizes cult manipulation tactics. I’m guessing you agree with this already, just thought I’d mention it.
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123 abc Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
It’s probably not unfair to say that a small percentage of the population relative to the earths whole population is manipulative. And a segment of this manipulative population is within the ‘self help’ arena. So statistically, Yes. It may be an accurate statement to suggest not all things sold (in the self-help arena) on the internet use cult tactics — maybe only a small percentage of manipulators within this specific arena.
The question that may be worth asking is: Does the arena of ‘self help’ lend itself, for whatever reason, to being attractive to a higher percentage of this manipulative population than other arenas they could play in? (All cash business, highly psychological, etc)
I don’t know the statistics so I can’t make an argument for or against in the self help arena — BUT — in the self help arena, due to it’s intangible delivery, it seems to lend itself as a ground for manipulators to take advantage of natural human tendencies, dealing in the realm of ‘belief systems and psychology’, and due to a possible lack of recourse.
AS LONG AS THE SELLER PROMISES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, I’d find it difficult to argue that anything is wrong — but precisely because they’re dealing in the arena of MAKING BIG PROMISES/CLAIMS, it seems to become problematic.
The thing delivered is basically communication in some tangible form. It looks like a tangible delivery (physical products/seminar/etc), it sounds like a tangible delivery (results in your life), (and it may even legally be defined as tangible) — but when you go back for proof whether it worked or not, it has the possibility of vanishing since there is no accountability to anyone except yourself (I don’t think it’s a coincidence that ‘RESPONSIBILITY’ is harped on so much in this arena).
If I buy a car from a manipulator, I have some possible recourse if I’m entitled to it by virtue of the tangible dissonance between the promises made to me and the deliverable (the car). How can that situation be ‘spun’ unless there is proof that I screwed up the car? But there’s something I can go back to. With information, we’re now moving away from the tangible and more into the intangible (mental/psychological) realm. Add on top of that a dose of authority, associations, stress influences etc and we get some interesting psychological results. It just seems fuzzier and more open for manipulation when money is involved.
(ON TOP OF ALL THIS, statistically, the failure rate is never accounted for. Testimonials are about the success stories. If we accurately lined up the success stories next to the failures — due to non-use, actual failure, etc — there would be FAR more failures than successes. Info Marketers are taught to magnify successes, and dim the light on failures. This isn’t a game of accurate thinking, it’s a game of persuasive engineering.)
I’m sure there are idea and areas I’m missing with the above, and I’m also sure parallels could be made to other fields/lines/arenas where money can be made — so any discussion on all this would be helpful. Also a lawyer would be better able to explain the issues involved in information marketing.
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stoic Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Rather than seeing cults everywhere in New Age and IM it might be more understandable to consider Liftons description of ‘milieu control.’
http://www.rickross.com/reference/esp/esp11.html
You seem to be describing a ‘cultic milieu’ existing in these New Age/IM areas and I agree with that. There is a very carefully engineered milieu where the other criteria of
thought reform are extensively practised by SOME marketers
http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general431.html
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And let’s not forget Operation Clambake:
http://www.xenu.net/
They’ve been exposing the truth behind Scientology for more than a decade.
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Part 1 of 9 of an interview done with ABC news. The rest of the parts can be watched at youtube if you want by searching “David Miscavige Interview”:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP6yXOEgHjs
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SD Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
I can’t believe that guy is the main man. What a d-bag. He should be delivering pizzas
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Hippo Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
To Mr. Salty:
Not only that, but I believe he staged a “coup” of sorts when Hubbard died, taking over CO$ when Hubbard had somebody else in mind for leadership.
Plus, he’s even shorter than Tom Cruise.
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a Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Hippo – was posted above by name unimportant, but here’s the story (just scroll down a bit): http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbardcoroner
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Hippo Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 10:07 am
To “a”:
Thank you for refreshing my memory. The whole thing is almost too nutty to be believable.
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Digger Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
David Miscavige was only 26 years old when he took over Scientology after Hubbard left for the mothership. He’s now 50.
http://www.whoisdavidmiscavige.com
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Zonks Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Here are some pics of Tom Cruise and his buddy, David Miscavige. The one of them saluting each other is priceless:
http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/archive/2006/09/15/the_scientoligist_mafia–using_weird_to_intimidate_its_enemies.php
http://defamer.gawker.com/028586/tom-cruise-gets-merit-badge-in-brainwashery
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1194652/Scientology-leader-close-Tom-Cruise-accused-hitting-senior-members-church.html
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Earl Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
“Tom Cruise and David Miscavige: The Musical”
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYoLpaeG_FY
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List of scientologists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists
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httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQpk81bauDI
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Watching The Train Wreck Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
That damn video made me dizzy after 2 minutes. Shit, hold the camera still.
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Hippo Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Yeah, I couldn’t watch it because I was getting motion sick.
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Watching While Dizzy Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Here’s one that’s maybe more up to your alley:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T_jwq9ph8k
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SD Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
I love the bit at the end with Katie Melua :: that is nerdcore hilarious!
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stoic Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
“You can’t miss it when I tell you what’s there”
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Demonstrated by The Lisa McPherson Trust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson_Trust), here is one indoctrination process used by scientology:
httpv://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-799954787514590907&ei=sxo9S6WLEY2YqAPY8P3IDg&q=scientology&hl=en#
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Here’s a prank call to the “church” of scientology. (They are using voice clips of Dr. Phil to pull this off.)
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XId08Yk8R2g
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Charlie Reply:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Some more great PRANK CALLS to the Church of Scientology:
L. Ron Hubbard calls the church of Scientology (uses L. Ron voice clips):
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efw8Nihw7uY
Mr. Rogers calls the church of Scientology (uses Mr. Rogers voice clips):
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt9ezalGebM
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stoic Reply:
March 14th, 2010 at 4:00 am
@Charlie,
I am deeply shocked. In the first vid Maralyn the Scientologist displayed a sense of humour and laughed along with ‘L Ron.’ There’s hope for her yet.
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Charlie Reply:
March 14th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
@stoic, maybe she hasn’t completed her “processing” yet.
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Here is the famous Tom Cruise freakout on Oprah:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcgIxfNim7o
And here’s a great parody of that:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WIj7AqDp1c
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Miscavige = Fuckface Deluxe:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65nU9YIizPM
From: http://www.whoisdavidmiscavige.com/category/videos/
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From RickRoss Forum:
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,82620#msg-82620
Here are the next scheduled Harmonic Wealth Weekends:
San Francisco, CA (Mar 19-20, 2010)
Chicago, IL (Jun 4-5, 2010).
James Ray is only taking checks and money orders, no credit cards.
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Bill Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
No credit cards accepted? Hmmm. Sounds just like Eric Graham (also featured here). At least Eric Graham ALSO accepted guitars.
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Hippo Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Well, that kills my idea of charging, then reversing, the price of the seminar.
Does anyone know why he’s not taking credit cards?
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stoic Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
My guess is that either he has lost his merchant account and can no longer accept them or, more likely, the cheque/money order rule gives him a good chance of avoiding chargebacks that the credit card companies would automatically make.
I tried to register but realised I would most likely lose my money. Reported here at the bottom of the page:
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,page=73
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208-577-6210 Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Why would he? These are desperate times at JRI, making cash infinitely preferable to credit card payments, whether he has a merchant account or not.
We have to suppose Ray won’t be paying for any administrative costs these days (people to answer phones, emails, etc) so he can offer a 3-day refund period, safe in the knowledge that you probably won’t be able to reach him in that time anyway. Chargebacks would make this trick impossible for CC payments.
Less likely, but still possible: he hopes to flee, and won’t get far without cold hard cash (something he’s lacking at the moment – JAR’s ‘wealth’ is primarily debt)
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rwr Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
I’m almost surprised he’s not taking MoneyGram like a Nigerian prince!
It must be making him crazy to wait for the mail every day to see if people are biting on this.
Now it’s a little harder to urge followers to max out their credit cards for his junk – lots of people have cash advance limits lower than their full credit limits and they’re probably looking at 25% – 30% apr.
“The Universe” should harmonically mug him when he leaves the hotel with all the cash from the upsells.
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Unicorn Army Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Not sure if they ever took credit cards (anyone?) but I’d be surprised if they could keep a merchant account going, given their refund policy:
1. Must fully participate in all activities
2. May only request refund during dinner
3. Death is no excuse for not participating
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SD Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
@Unicorn ::
He took credit cards for sure. He sometimes had people “trust the universe” and give him their numbers plus signature BEFORE a long seminar started … so that at the end when people were all tranced up they’d already filled out and signed their unbreakable future commitments.
I’ll bet he lost all his merchant accounts right after he canceled the remaining schedule. 100′s of people probably tried to get chargebacks within a couple of days of that … and all the fraud detecting algorithms got tripped.
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SD Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
I’m not so sure about these seminars. Is there any evidence other than the listing on the one HarmonicWealth website?
Is it somewhere on his main site? Has he emailed his list? Has there been any marketing at all?
He couldn’t possibly get any new customers now … his only hope is true believers … so why would he offer the intro seminar instead of one of the more expensive ones?
And why risk doing all the work setting up the June one before the trail dates are scheduled?
It doesn’t make sense.
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rwr Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Apparently, he did e-mail the list with a pitch – on Twitter, @dotfreedom posted it:
dotfreedom Well, it’s that time again- another #jamesray e-mail promoting his Harmonic Wealth weekends.This one titled “The Big Picture”. Unbelievable!
2 days ago from web
First one is March 19-20 in San Francisco, but it might actually be Burlingame per:
katherine1230 is headin to a James Ray seminar in burlingame.
5 days ago from web
Follow up on Rick Ross, from page 70
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,82696#msg-82696
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stoic Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Could be he’s just floating the idea to get some ready cash in the pot—with no intention of holding the events. His refund policy gives him every kind of out for cancelled or postponed events.
The seminars are posted on his site, you have to dig around to find the registration page and none of the contact links are working, (Josh?) but it is there. I think he is aiming at those already on his list from previous free events, who might be ready for the greased funnel and trying to avoid those who might be disruptive–why no free event teaser for this one?
No exact location details given, so he may not even have booked a venue yet, maybe seeing if he gets enough take-up.
His seminars are a very careful ladder of manipulation, he won’t offer a higher one until he has primed the faithful through the lower rungs. The con is finely calibrated.
Of course, he might just have lost the plot, be living in the moment and is truly not concerned about what happens tomorrow or the next day. Perhaps his tweets are truly what he is now experiencing and not a continuation of his cynical manipulation. One of the problems with fucking around with other peoples minds is that your own mind is not invulnerable to the BS you are spouting, even if its your own BS.
What goes around comes around.
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stoic Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Just realised that this isn’t a Death Ray thread, so apologies.
Here’s the sign-up page for the SF and Chicago events:
http://jamesray.com/product.php?productid=42&scholarship=hww200&mail=y&navoff=y&carttype=2
which clicks through to the registration page–I would advise against registering as you’re unlikely ever to see your money again:
https://jamesray.com/cart2.php?mode=checkout&paymentid=&navoff=y&xid=6ad9adbeb7b8cfd1d568fa4a629f8611
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SD Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
@Stoic ::
I don’t really care about the “wrong thread” BS. Chaos is its own kind of beautiful …
I’m pretty convinced that those seminars are just bizarro hold overs from the old schedule. If someone has the email he sent to his list … please forward it on to me. But I’m on all his lists {unless there is a special insiders list} … and I haven’t seen anything. Sometimes people confuse the auto-responder/timed emails with fresh content {because they are designed to cause that confusion}.
It looks to me like his databases are non-functional.
The Twitter pull down on the upper right had corner of jamesray.com is new. He had that added but left everything else broken … so he’s decided to use Twitter as his main communication method for whatever reason. When he tweets about a new seminar … then I’ll believe it.
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rwr Reply:
March 8th, 2010 at 2:35 am
For what it’s worth, March 19- 20 are a Friday and Saturday this year. Last year they fell on a Thursday & Friday.
I’m wondering, too, if he’s planning on doing it. Besides needing the cash, his ego probably needs it desperately, and that could be a driving force.
He got no Twitter love today – tweets were overwhelmingly negative, with people demanding he stop tweeting inane crap.
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stoic Reply:
March 8th, 2010 at 3:06 am
Keep up that negativity, there’s a time and place for it and this is probably it.
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HAHAHA, Per Urban dictionary – scientologist:
1. A crazy ass mutha fucka
2. Tom Cruise
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Has anyone seen this James Ray site before?
http://treeoflifejourneys.com/buy/093/
Tagline & headline: Exploring the Hidden Frontiers of Consciousness”
Due to the unique nature of these programs, Exploring the Hidden Frontiers of Consciousness is currently only available to those with certain experience in James Ray’s Journey of Power®. To find out if you qualify, call James Ray International at 1-866-646-3738.
(Knowing what we know now, it’s more disturbing.
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Wondering if this old press release is a partial swipe at Scientology by James Ray. Not his use of Travolta and cruise as examples of those needing his ‘help.’
http://www2.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-07-2005/0004063147&EDATE=
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SD Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
@rwr ::
Interesting.
That’s from July 2005 :: just like the bit from his blog that I quoted in my post.
It also mentions Aniston who was once rumored to be a Scientologist. I don’t think he’s taking a swipe at them. I’ll bet he was trying to use hack IM techniques to rank for the search terms … thinking maybe he could steal some of their potential customers.
This would have been shortly after J-Fred started doing the Internet Marketing for JRI.
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The New York Times on the desperate state of CO$ …
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/us/07scientology.html
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Hippo Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
I think they only have about 50,000 members left worldwide.
The great thing about the internet is that it’s warning young adults away from joining, which is the major group they go after.
I thought for sure that John Travolta was going to blow, but he just did a PR CO$ trip to Haiti–so I guess i was wrong.
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SD Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
@Hippo ::
I don’t see how anyone with a public profile can continue to associate with them now with such clear evidence that people are being beat and abused. It’s easy for the masses to look past mental and emotional abuse … because that’s complicated. But beatings and slave labor … that’s about as simple as it gets.
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ABJ Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
Yes sadly it is easy for the masses to look past mental and emotional abuse because to most people it just isnt obvious. But by god when the victims finally feel free there is no end to the anger that they are willing to spew on any of these guru idiots who are a part of the secret cult. After all the gurus might think they can threaten with lawsuits and the like but that is like offering a kid a lolly to the victims. What have they got to lose when they suddenly realise that they have had no freedom for years while they were involved with these cult gurus. Money with worth chicken shit when you find REAL freedom and its only money that these gurus think about. They certainly dont give a shit about peoples lives.
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Hippo Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 1:09 am
To Mr. Salty:
From what I understand, CO$ handles their celebrities with kid gloves. They are given red-carpet treatment and kept away from the beatings and the SP Hall. They are “love-bombed” to the point where they don’t ask too many questions.
Now, eventually some of them catch on. However, CO$ has accumulated tons of embarrassing personal information on the celebrities which was disclosed during their “confidential” auditing. Does the celebrity feel up to dealing with this?
There are rumors that John Travolta has been wanting to blow for years, but CO$ threatens him with blackmail regarding homosexual affairs.
You may have noticed that Paul Haggis and Jason Beghe have both left within the last year or so. Both have made statements against Scientology–Jason Beghe has done so publicly, and Paul Haggis wrote a strongly-worded letter, but I don’t know if it was meant for public consumption, or if it was leaked.
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Wondering if Scientology still using Washington DC lobbyist Federal Legislative Associates?
I heard they were sloooww paying their bills.
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SD Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
@dc ::
Huh. And they are short on people :: but loaded with real estate.
Commercial real estate … the next hot spot in our ongoing economic collapse.
They may be in serious serious trouble.
/claps
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So, is Criminon next for ex-Scientologist James Arthur Ray? Or will he make his own rip-off version? (OK, duh.)
Since no company will ever hire him to “motivate” their employees again, he can edit his current corporate sales pitches, gearing them to jails & prisons. And then, finally, James Arthur Ray will be able to speak from experience.
I’m not sure how helpful this basic link is, as I’m sure it is relentlessly sanitized by Scientology, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminon
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[...] days after The Droid’s first post about the Church of Scientology :: The New York Times ran their own {non-hilarious} expose. Is [...]
leaked video from 1992 of a sales/marketing/(multi-level marketing) meeting on selling people into becoming auditors:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd9kcPIEYjc
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” Werner Erhard {Landmark “Education”} :: one of LGAT’s founding fathers :: was a long time member and seems to have stolen many of L. Ron’s best tricks.”
What does “long time” member mean?
From what I have read, Erhard was experimenting with one thing after another ( as a hungry young student of all things personal develepoment in the 70′s and Scientology was just one of many modalities he encountered as many were doing in California those days. And that his visit was VERY short.
Your comment is either deliberate BS or a mistake.
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stoic Reply:
May 13th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
@A Ditsy Lord,
Werner obviously stayed long enough to pick up some tried and trusted coercive persuasion tricks from the Co$–he employed those same tricks to make millions from his est victims.
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looksie looksie Reply:
May 13th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
@A Ditsy Lord, one does not have to be a member of an organization long in order to learn and implement brain washing techniques. You don’t even have to be a member or ever speak to any recruiters to do that.
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“When Mrs. Pattycake comes to us to be taught, turn that
wandering doubt in her eye into a fixed, dedicated glare and she’ll win and
we’ll all win. Humor her and we all die a little. The proper instruction
attitude is, “You’re here so you’re a Scientologist. Now we’re going to make
you into an expert auditor no matter what happens. We’d rather have you dead
than incapable.” Taken from an insider Scientology policy manual Hubbard Communications HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 FEBRUARY 1965
http://tiny.cc/loi3o
James Ray was a Scientologist at one point.
“We’d rather have you dead than incapable.” <——- that explains the mentality behind the events involving James Arthur Ray.
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…this has to be one of the best SD articles. It really gets to the dark and rotten heart of the world of IMers and MLMers (+ of course Scientology), as well as being so succinct that *maybe* even a well brainwashed victim Scientologist might see a chink of the light of reality.
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